[size=2]Several people have inquired about the post David Pringle made to the Stormfront Lounge last Friday, November 12, 2004. His message was up for only an hour or two before it was removed from the thread without explanation. Even die-hard NA supporters on Stormfront have asked why Pringle's post was so quickly deleted. See:

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=161541&page=6&pp=10



Erich Gliebe has repeatedly demanded that Don Black remove all of Pringle's critical posts from the secret "Sustaining Members" section of the Stormfront Forum. Gliebe also wants Black to ban Pringle from the board because of this post. (This has not happened. In fact, a number of formerly hard-line Gliebe loyalists announced their resignations from the NA on the Sustaining Members thread in the past few days. )

What was it that Pringle wrote that caused moderators to pull it so quickly? Pringle posted a response to Byron's explanation of Panzerfaust's "Project Schoolyard" campaign and commented on the interview Byron ran with the West Virginia school principal.

And then it got interesting.

As you can see, Pringle went on to make some serious charges against Shaun Walker and Erich Gliebe. Since, once again, Stromfront chooses to run cover for Gliebe and the "new" NA, here is David Pringle's "moderated" post, in it's entirety:

[QUOTE=David Pringle] Byron,

I listened to the interview...hilarious! That principal is probably still spitting nails. Back when I was the NA's Membership Coordinator I tried and failed to get something similar going. We even had one young man come up with a Resistance Street Team proposal. It was obvious that he had put a lot of work into the thing and Erich Gliebe shot it down without even opening the envelope...I saw it laying there the last time I was in his home office.

My point is why didn't the group with arguably the most resources do this project? To me this would be money well spent. I think of all the time and effort that goes into a single Activist picking out tracks, ripping them, converting them, burning them to a CD, going to CompUSA or wherever to buy a cake of blanks and a packet of CD Stomper labels. Now that same Activist can simply purchase a finished product which saves effort, time and most importantly, money.

As an NA dues-payer and donor I would like to see member dues and resources go to projects like this instead of girlie calendars, Navajo rug Life Rune flags, new Jeep Grand Cherokees and trips to Greece to hobnob with European Nationalists. I would have preferred to see the $140,000 spent on all the bells and whistles in the new meeting hall (that we use twice a year) go to bill boards, a new recruiting video, more staffers in the Membership department, etc.

As it is right now no one on staff actually works for the National Alliance so what the heck are they doing with all the dues? I urge NA members to ask your Unit Coordinators this simple question: What does the National Office do for members in the field? Do they provide great new resources to recruit members? No. I had no help from the National Office; I couldn't even get the studio guy John Faine to email me a speech file.

Right now, several hundred members have opted to not pay their dues; Gliebe and Walker are frantic about it. I left the MC position in mid-August and they have kept it a secret until recently when they started a slander campaign against me saying I left over a simple pay issue...hardly.

I, and many other senior members, unit leaders and donors have become increasingly frustrated over Walker and Gliebe's lies and empty promises. For those who have been called, ask yourself, if I was so terrible why not jump at the opportunity to get rid of me? Why the secrecy? For two of the specific reasons go to the VNN Forum in The NEW National Alliance section or

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=11830.

I am going to be accused of attacking the NA, being a traitor and a bunch of other stuff...they'll probably blame me for tooth decay, too.

The truth is that the only people who are betraying the NA are Gliebe and Walker with their nigger-rich spending habits, vacations, new cars, etc. The truth is that the National Alliance is the members, not Walker and Gliebe. You, as members, have all the power. You pay the bills. Resistance LLC and National Vanguard Books don't make any money at all any more...they are literally subsidized by your dues.

As MC it was my job to not only attempt to organize the membership but to advocate for it. That is what I am doing now. I love the NA, and gladly gave years of my life for it. I strained every personal relationship I have, ruining a few. I put my family under loads of stress and separated my children from their mother for months at a time while I traveled from Unit to Unit...I know you and feel a responsibility to you and I am warning you, urging you, to take the NA back NOW!

How. you ask? It's easy, don't pay your dues until a full accounting is made.

Don't pay your dues until Walker and Gliebe either step down or appoint a board of trusted long time members to oversee the NA. You are like voters; your ballot comes with your BULLETIN every month. If you want more of the same, more girlie calendars ($4,000), more Grom CDs ($10,000-12,000), more new Jeep Grand Cherokees ($10,000 down, $26,000 borrowed), more pet projects like the gay Navajo blanket flag ($2,000) then send in your dues money. Shaun and Erich are counting on it!

If you want change, if you want your money to go towards building the membership, to billboards, recruiting videos, samplers CDs, A "What is the National Alliance?" that isn't missing a paragraph on the back, send in your next dues statement with "no confidence" written on it or don't send it in at all. Many NA members are already doing this.

[ If you are on auto pay, and Shaun is deducting your dues from a credit card each month, just make a quick call to your bank and they will block all future payments from your account to the NA. It only takes a minute. Shaun won't even know what happened. Your card number will just come back "declined." ]

Trust me, I know these guys very well, they are depending on you to pay their way. We need a new NA, one that meets the needs of its members and works to save our Race. Since I am outlawed on Resistance.com, I'll be interviewed on Panzerfaust Record's Internet radio in the next few days, watch for it. For those of you attending the Western States Conference this weekend why not ask a few of these questions. Ask about the $4,000 dollar calendar and ask why Resistance.com is all messed up. Remember his answers, write them down. Shaun is a habitual liar and will tell you one thing at one public meeting, then another thing later on.

Ask Shaun why he has docked Kevin Strom $1,000 in pay over the past few months for being a week or so late with National Vanguard Magazine when Resistance Magazine was 8 months late and Gliebe was never docked in pay? Ask where the hell the Membership Handbook is! Don't be afraid of being kicked out. Ask the tough questions and question their answers!

Gliebe and Walker have both lied to me so they will for sure lie to you. These are the kinds of things being done in your name with your money, only you can put a stop to it. You have the money; they have the checkbook. See which one is most powerful.

Sincerely,

David Pringle

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[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]It seems there are no options left but for members to take control.[/QUOTE]
Yes.

And you know something?

[SIZE=6]They can't stop you.[/SIZE]

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski] [COLOR=Navy] It seems there are no options left but for members to take control. Locally NA members are dedicated and their UCs even moreso. [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]

In addition to the units, leaders, and members that defected in the May '04 Reid debacle, the National Alliance’s defections in the last seven days have been amazing. About half of the remaining units have either revolted or are on the verge of revolt. In the still “loyal” units many individual members are revolting or wavering. Walker and Gliebe are on road now trying desperately to hold the “loyal” units in the fold. Some of the new people can be buffaloed, but the old timers have heard too many different lies to justify the same old problems.

Only great oratorical skills at the meetings can save the wavering from defecting. But the meetings may be disasters..... as those who are not internet-connected mix with those who are and have heard the latest new.

This is amazing. For the last two years, Gliebe and Walker have run off, driven away, or kick out hundreds who disagreed. Even after that “screening” Gliebe and Walker are having trouble controlling a majority of what is left. The whole outfit is self-destructing like the USSR did. :eek:

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]I was behind on my dues because of money problems in the past, but I just stopped paying because I was fed up with "the movement" and its drama. It seems there are no options left but for members to take control. Locally NA members are dedicated and their UCs even moreso. It would be almost criminal for them to be bilked out of their money for projects like that.[/QUOTE]

When the leaders start thinking about the bucks rather than the movement it's time to change the leaders.

From what I have read about recent events in the NA, my view would be don't pay them a cent until they can fully explain what they are doing with your cash.

In my view it's time Gliebe made a full, detailed and honest explanation regarding his recent actions and spending to the NA membership.

[QUOTE=J.P. Slovjanski]What's the "Reid" debacle?[/QUOTE]

Did I misspell it? Jim Reid TX RC, Tampa Unit, C Evans, Lady Godiva's, hot tubs full of NA "leaders".....

Don't have an Rambo flashbacks..... ;)

This is amazing. For the last two years, Gliebe and Walker have run off, driven away, or kick out hundreds who disagreed. Even after that “screening” Gliebe and Walker are having trouble controlling a majority of what is left. The whole outfit is self-destructing like the USSR did.

Sounds like what is going on in the British National Party :rolleyes:

It sounds like the Gleebster and the Skipper have a little problem. I hope some of the UCs are working together and have a plan. There is a lot at stake. Probably the most important thing is National Vanguard Books, including copyrights. There has to be a lot of stock still around somewhere, enough to help a de-Gliebefied NA start building up NVB once again. Of course the crooks will probably try to sell off as much as they can once it penetrates their thick skulls that they can no longer bullshit their way through it as they have been doing since they hijacked the NA. There is a real danger that the real estate will be sold off as Gliebe and Walker "cash out", most likely to the real estate developer/sub-divider who owns the property bordering the NAHQ. The real estate amounts to a 60 acre parcel which is deeded to the Cosmotheist Community Church, and a 340 acre parcel which is deeded to the National Alliance. The 60 acres contain most of the buildings, the wells, the roads, etc.

There is a good chance that ZOG will scoop up the Dynamic Duo before long, now that their value as useful idiots is about finished. It is anyone's guess as to what charges they will be imprisoned for. Walker, of course, will have to be committed to a prison asylum for the criminally insane where he will either have to be lobotomized or confined to a padded cell and kept under heavy sedation.

"I had no help from the National Office; I couldn't even get the studio guy John Faine to email me a speech file."

Isn't John Faine in the band Last Battalion? Or is it Joe Falzone? I get the two mixed up.

Is Roger Williams still at HQ? What about Evelyn Hill?

[QUOTE=White Dragon]Sounds like what is going on in the British National Party.[/QUOTE]
And Shaun Walker is a big chum of Griffin's.

Join the dots.

Joe F. is in Last Battalion. John Faine is another yes man for Erich. I heard rumors Joe F. is not happy about what he has seen at the NAHQ.

[QUOTE=onetruth]Joe F. is in Last Battalion. John Faine is another yes man for Erich. I heard rumors Joe F. is not happy about what he has seen at the NAHQ.[/QUOTE]

The rumors that I hear are that the whole staff is not happy….. that includes the HQ compound staff and the other staff like Kevin Alford Strom who are not at the compound.

Even Gliebe and Walker are at each other's throats. Picture stooges Moe and Larry gouging and slapping each other. :D

[QUOTE=Librarian]And Shaun Walker is a big chum of Griffin's. [/QUOTE]

Maybe Shaun Walker is a big want-2-B chum of Griffin's. The Brits don't trust Walker; they think he's fed. NA and BNP relations are a bit tense.

Gliebe is sending ambassador-at-large K A Strom and Elisha to dreary old England to repair the damage and turn it back into jolly old England.

The Duke forces also think Walker may be a fed. That's why Walker was booted off the speakers’ platform at the big New Orleans conference some months back. Walker got his revenge by intimidating and strip searching Duke's right-hand man, [COLOR=Navy]Jamie Kelso[/COLOR], at the NA conference last month. Kelso was accused of being fed.

The attacks on Kelso continued. Kelso was kicked off as a moderator on the NA’s Resistance Forum. Kelso was booted out of the NA; then Kelso was reinstated as a member. The National Alliance cut off cooperation with EURO. Duke called Gliebe and spoke his mind about these matters.

[QUOTE=Tom88]Several people have inquired about the post David Pringle made to the Stormfront Lounge last Friday, November 12, 2004. His message was up for only an hour or two before it was removed from the thread without explanation. Even die-hard NA supporters on Stormfront have asked why Pringle's post was so quickly deleted. [/QUOTE]

Tom, here is another deleted post from Stromfront, but this one is from the paid members forum. It's been emailed , and I assume no significant formatting errors occured.

[QUOTE=Bob DeMarais] Re: David Pringle's Post - The evidence

[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=4]Originally Posted by Fenris: "OK. Show some evidence to support your accusations. I love you, too. ... Evidence supporting your allegations, please?"[/SIZE][/FONT]

Fenris, I’ll be specific. Let’s just talk about the Membership Handbook.

Erich hired one of his girlfriends to update on the Membership Handbook. I’ll just call her Mrs. X; she is no longer involved with the National Alliance or with Chairman Gliebe. To be specific, she was a married woman, whose affair with Gliebe, broke up her home. She lived in North Carolina and has a small child.

On 26 January 2003, Chairman Gliebe authorized Mrs. X’s salary to start. I wrote her checks every month. After I left, Fred Streed signed her paychecks. At some point, something happened. Her husband showed up or something, and I’ve heard Gliebe put a stop-payment order on her last check. [Incidentally the dollar amount of her checks is approximately equal to what Elisha Strom wanted to be paid to work for us.]

Gliebe visited Mrs. X in North Carolina at least several times. On more than one occasion, he insisted on taking the check to her personally. [She is not the only attractive young woman to whom Gliebe personally delivered a check(s) for undocumented “contract” work.]

Mrs. X was at headquarters several times and stayed in the “farm house,” now known has the chairman’s house or more informally as the love nest.

As Pringle posted above, Mrs. X’s work on the Handbook was not acceptable. At that point, Gliebe told us that he reassigned her to sell Resistance CDs to music stores. He had me continue to pay her out of the National Alliance checking account rather than out of the Resistance account. I advised Chairman Gliebe that this was wrong, but he insisted. They are two separate corporations. [This is but one of the many pieces of evidence that shows that the arms-length distance between corporations was violated and that an officer used his power in two corporations to benefit himself and one corporation at the expense of another corporation.]

Erich assigned Jerry Abbott to publish the Handbook. Jerry started from scratch doing the Handbook for free; he was essentially a volunteer who purchased his own cabin and land next to the headquarters property, furnished his own computer, etc. He was Dr. Pierce’s trusted editor, and the only authorized final proofreader besides Kevin Strom.

Jerry did the 1,100 page second edition of Which Way Western Man (WWWM), which was a nightmare of revisions, endnotes, superscripts, and other complexities. The Handbook is short, has big print, and has several big pictures. WWWM literally is 25 or 50 times more work than the Handbook. Working 40 hours per week, almost anyone could get the Handbook to the printer in 30 days. Except for the ideological decisions, the Membership Handbook is a relatively straightforward task.

Jerry had the Handbook essentially done, but Gliebe wouldn’t make up his mind on key issues like Christianity, eugenics, etc. It seemed like all of Gliebe’s friends were getting in on the act of butchering Dr. Pierce’s ideology. Jerry says that the last word that he got from Chairman Gliebe was to remove all the references to Christianity. Jerry asked Gliebe if he was changing the ideology or just trying to fool Christians; Gliebe’s answer was “mostly the latter.”

After Gliebe fired Fred and M Streed, Walker confronted Abbott and threatened him about possessing copies of NA’s copyrighted material or infringing on the NA’s “intellectual property rights.” Yesterday, I walked to Jerry’s cabin, and Jerry told me told that Walker threatened to send the FBI after him. [That’s all we need is an FBI investigation.] Abbott had no choice but to go home and destroy a nearly finished product.

I could be more specific in some areas. But a key point is that Elisha, Kevin, Jerry, me, or anyone else with a few weeks experience with desk-top publishing could have had the Membership Handbook to the printer in 30 days.

Another key point is that the Membership Handbook mess started and was mostly before Shaun Walker ever came to the Hillsboro HQ. Trying to make Walker the scapegoat for all the disasters is wrong. Gliebe personally took control of revising the Handbook. It was 100% Gliebe’s baby, his pet project. Gliebe hired Mrs. X, rather than Mrs. Strom. Gliebe ordered the payments to Mrs. X. Gliebe fired Fred and M. Gliebe never completed the simple task of publishing the Membership Handbook.

Final note: When Gliebe finally authorized a pittance to Elisha to help Kevin revise Who Rules America? It quickly came out. It’s well done. It has by far the very best images and layout of all the editions of WRA? During the period that Elisha was asking to be paid, which coincides with the employment of Mrs. X, Gliebe kept carping that Elisha should get off her butt and get a job at a fast-food restaurant. He must have mentioned that to me a half-dozen times. Chairman Broken Record also mentioned it to Fred Streed, Dave Pringle, Jerry Abbott, Chris Evans, and others.

Fenris, I must say that you demanding Pringle to be more specific and show his evidence is like Custer demanding that Sitting Bull show his Indians. At Ragnarok, Fenris chose to fight on the side of the hideous giants and the reptiles, thus destroying the world and the gods, and requiring the rebirth of our world from scratch. [/QUOTE]

There are many charges of corruption and bad judgement that have been made against Gliebe. Most of them I have no first-hand knowledge of. But of this corrupt affair, I have direct first hand knowledge. I have seen it with my own eyes. And Mrs. X has pretty much confirmed almost all of it to me personally. At the time this business was going on, we had enough members in this area to form a new NA unit. We even had an organizational meeting for that purpose, which Gliebe was supposed to attend, and he didn't show up. Neither did Mrs. X, who was a key member at that time.

When I realized what was going on in this particular matter, it made it pretty hard for me to discount the other charges that were being made against Gliebe.

All other local members quit months and months ago. I was the last hold out. Now I've quit, too. Gliebe sure sunk the NA in western NC... and really, across the entire state. Too bad. At the time of Dr. Pierce's death, North Carolina was one of the NA's more active and better organized states.