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V.K.
February 23rd, 2011, 06:49 AM
Our comrades in the Kremlin are getting worried about the debate on multiculturalism/racialism and the mumblings of discontent in the Liberal Party............

Communist Party newspaper the Guardian:

The federal Liberal Party is said to be in turmoil with its “left” and “right” factions at war over a series of “regrettable” public statements and media leaks. The most recent “gaff” was by shadow immigration minister Scott Morrison who complained that the flying of asylum seeker mourners from Christmas Island to Sydney for the funeral of victims of December’s boat tragedy was a waste of taxpayers’ money. Before that it was Tony Abbott who was shown in a TV interview in Afghanistan with a group of Australian soldiers lamenting that “shit happens” after hearing of the circumstances surrounding the death of Lance Corporal Jared McKinney.

Both statements were later said to have been taken “out of context”. A number of media commentators lined up with Liberal Party spokespersons in Mr Abbott’s defence but the crass remark had caused offence in many quarters, including to members of Jared McKinney’s family.

Unfortunately for Mr Morrison, the media received a leak from a meeting of the shadow cabinet where the member for Cook said that the Coalition should try to capitalise on the anti-Muslim feeling growing in the broader Australian community. Shadow finance spokesman Andrew Robb was one of the few to stand squarely with Scott Morrison and his outlandish statements about the asylum seeker funerals. “I wouldn’t normally comment on shadow cabinet but I can confirm Scott did talk about the strong feelings in the general community about Muslim immigration and he said that we as a party had to engage with that sentiment,” Mr Robb said. It was a creative, if unconvincing, defence.

Joe Hockey said flatly that Morrison was wrong to question the funeral expenditure, that his statement lacked compassion. Most others, including Opposition leader Abbott, stuck to the line that Morrison had, perhaps, gone “too far”. Too far down which path?

Australia is still haunted by the ghost of One Nation – the party that sought to harness the racism to be found in significant sections of the Australian people. The election of 1998 gave the traditional parties a scare with solid votes going to the stridently anti-immigration party. The Liberals subsequently pulled the carpet from under Hanson and her cohorts with what became known as the Tampa election of 2001. “We decide who comes into this country and the circumstances in which they come,” Howard insisted at his Party’s campaign launch. At the last federal election, Abbott stuck with the apparently successful formula with his pledge to “stop the boats”.

Labor has also felt constrained to appear “tough” on refugees over the years and the Gillard government now oversees a mandatory detention system imprisoning over 6,000 asylum seekers. The centres are marked by substandard accommodation, punitive conditions and distress for already traumatised people. Self-harm is common.

The ALP has sought to walk both sides of the street in the debate over boat arrivals. It has been pressing simultaneously for a large regional detention centre in East Timor and for the release of greater numbers of asylum seeker families into the community. Immigration Minister Chris Bowen recently unveiled a new “national anti-racism partnership and strategy” aimed at cementing the multicultural underpinnings of Australian society.

Motivations are hard to guess and don’t appear to mean much in the politics of the major Australian parties. Scott Morrison is not known to be particularly xenophobic but that didn’t stop him seeking to tap into the vicious anti-Muslim campaign being waged by fringe elements in the community at the moment. One widely circulated email complained about the $448 million given by the Australian government to Indonesia to help with the running of schools, including moderate Islamic schools. It compared this to what it claimed was only $1 million pledged by the federal government for the reconstruction of flood devastated Queensland. Tony Abbott took up this twisted cause against the advice of colleagues like Julie Bishop.

The Liberals are captive to the Right on these questions. That much is clear. But the lack of an unambiguous commitment on the part of the government to the values of acceptance and solidarity upheld by the majority of Australians has also taken a heavy toll. Emblematic of this was the treatment of nine-year-old Iranian boy Seena who was orphaned by the boat tragedy off the coast of Christmas Island in December. He was brought with 20 others to Sydney for the above-mentioned funeral and promptly returned to the scene of his devastating loss despite the protests of relatives seeking to take him into their care. An uproar from the community forced a backdown on Seena’s fate and it is obvious that the major parties will have to be pushed to shake themselves free of the malign influence of forces like One Nation.

http://www.cpa.org.au/guardian/2011/1490/02-editorial.html

Substandard accomodation in detention camps? Punitive conditions? The Kremlin must've got the wrong report from the KGB!


Comrades, here are the correct reports that you should've gotten from the KGB officers.........

Daily Telegraph:

A HOTEL bill of almost $2.5 million a month is being racked up by the Federal Government to house some 500 asylum seekers outside detention centres as it struggles to find a solution to the record number of boat arrivals.
The Department of Immigration has admitted paying $60,000 a night in November last year to house up to 188 people, mainly families, a total bill of almost $800,000, for a fortnight's accommodation at Darwin's Airport Lodge.

The figures reveal that, based on the leases the Government had in place at the end of 2010, the average cost across motels, hotels and guest houses around the country was $2.36 million a month.

The Government had previously refused to reveal the true cost of its alternative accommodation policy to house families and unaccompanied minors outside detention camps - claiming the contracts with hotels were commercial-in-confidence.

During one 13 day period - from November 10 to November 23, 2010 - the cost of accommodation at the Darwin Airport Lodge was $778,000, including GST.

Only last week the Government revealed it would need an extra $290 million this year to cover the rising costs.

"They have a financial crisis on asylum seekers of their own making," Opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison said.

"This is a government paying five-star rates for roadside motel accommodation."

According to the documents, as at October 2010 there were eight motels, hotels or commercial accommodations housing a total of 461 asylum seekers, who the department refer to as irregular maritime arrivals or IMAs.

Refugee advocates claim that the perception that IMAs were enjoying a luxurious life by being housed in motels was ridiculous when some of the accommodation was no grander than a demountable camp. The majority of those in motels were families who were forced to live in small rooms with children for periods of up to six months with no cooking facilities.

The number of asylum seekers arriving by boat from war-torn regions abroad is at a record high, now total- ling 6200.

A spokesman for Immigration Minister Chris Bowen defended the cost of alternative accommodation, which was a humanitarian obligation to ensure families and children did not have to experience high security detention centres. "Immigration detention is expensive - whether it's onshore or offshore," the spokesman said.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/asylum-seekers-25m-hotel-bill/story-e6freuzr-1226005955902

SYDNEY MORNING HERALD:

The federal government is defending a decision to house 79 asylum seekers in a four-star Queensland motel, saying they are vulnerable families with children.

"We don't think they should ever be put behind razor wire," Small Business Minister Craig Emerson told Sky News today.

The Palms Motel in suburban Brisbane has reportedly been awarded a $1.2 million government contract for at least six months to accommodate the group.

Advertisement: Story continues below A private security guard has been employed to protect them and other guests, the Nine Network said.

"These are very vulnerable families with children and it's something that needs to be done on a short-term basis," Dr Emerson said.

Such measures did not happen all the time, but had occurred under the Howard government, he said.

"Let's just have a little bit of space."

Opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison acknowledged the practice was not new, but said the latest move was due to an upsurge in boat arrivals.

"It happens when all of your detention centres are full," he said.

"That's why people are in motels."

The government's asylum-seeker policy was out of control, Mr Morrison said, adding that 16 boats had arrived since Labor announced it was suspending new claims by Sri Lankan and Afghan boat arrivals.

Family First senator Steve Fielding said the move would only encourage more unauthorised boat arrivals.

"First it was Hotel Christmas Island, now it's Hotel Queensland," he said in a statement.

"There is no way we should be detaining asylum seekers in hotels because it just gives the people smugglers an extra selling point."

The Immigration Department said the group was under 24-hour "monitoring and guarding".

"They're not allowed to come and go," spokesman Sandy Logan said.

"They've all been through full security and health checks before being transferred from Christmas Island."

Mr Morrison said the department should have consulted the local community about its plan.

Doing so would have taken the heat out of some of the reaction to the move, he said.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/asylum-seekers-put-up-in-4star-motel-not-new-20100511-uqcq.html

AussieWN
February 23rd, 2011, 06:55 AM
VK, You are possibly the only person claiming to be WN in Australia that reads the commie newspaper. I notice you started the post by saying OUR COMRADES IN THE KREMLIN.......NO, VK they are YOUR comrades, not ours,lol

V.K.
February 23rd, 2011, 07:07 AM
VK, You are possibly the only person claiming to be WN in Australia that reads the commie newspaper. I notice you started the post by saying OUR COMRADES IN THE KREMLIN.......NO, VK they are YOUR comrades, not ours,lol

You know what sarcasm is, Hobbit? You know what humour is? Has the drugs killed to many brain cells? I guess your on disability payments because you are braindamaged from all the drugs......

Not all White Nationalists are conservative middle class style anti communists like you can find at a typical meeting of the National Party.

Many White Nationalists are old fashioned socialists who look upon the new kind of left with disgust.

I'm a proud National Socialist but I will always have a beating heart of a Stalinist.

AussieWN
February 23rd, 2011, 07:17 AM
You know what sarcasm is, Hobbit? You know what humour is? Has the drugs killed to many brain cells? I guess your on disability payments because you are braindamaged from all the drugs......

Not all White Nationalists are conservative middle class style anti communists like you can find at a typical meeting of the National Party.

Many White Nationalists are old fashioned socialists who look upon the new kind of left with disgust.

I'm a proud National Socialist but I will always have a beating heart of a Stalinist.Actually I am on diso pension because of a crippled right shoulder, has nothing to do with my drug past, but dont let the truth interfere with a good story(typical of leftists,lol) I love the way you claim to be a National Socialist but have the beating heart of a Stalinist....make up your mind VK,...what are you, NS or commie?

V.K.
February 23rd, 2011, 07:35 AM
Actually I am on diso pension because of a crippled right shoulder, has nothing to do with my drug past, but dont let the truth interfere with a good story(typical of leftists,lol) I love the way you claim to be a National Socialist but have the beating heart of a Stalinist....make up your mind VK,...what are you, NS or commie?

Hitler wasn't really a National Socialist as much as Derrick likes to make out. Hitler was just a tool of a the middle class to oppress and keep down the working class.

Hitler never created National Socialism but he did contribute a fair bit to the ideology and to the movement.

The Strasser brothers were the real leaders of the movement.

Strasserite National Socialism has a lot in common with Stalinist socialism.

Its sad that neither of the Strasser brothers came to power in January 1933. If Germany had of been governed by the Strasser faction, it would have formed an alliance with Soviet Russia and together smashed by the capitalist west.

They should of launched a coup against the Hitler faction in the NSDAP when they had a chance to.


The old guard like Derrick MacThomas can't be in charge for ever.

He's a great man but the Hitlerites have had 68 years to run the movement and now its our turn in the driver's seat.

AussieWN
February 23rd, 2011, 07:56 AM
VK, I see your still the delusional little commie you always have been. You do make me laugh....your a fucking joke,lol

Bev
February 23rd, 2011, 08:19 AM
I'm a proud National Socialist but I will always have a beating heart of a Stalinist.

...uhhhh - how is that even possible?

Gerry Fable
February 23rd, 2011, 10:40 AM
You are an ignoramus, V.K. National-Socialism is a spiritual weltanschauung rather than a political belief or a set of political principles.
Its philosophy is similar to that of Zen Buddhism, and the Fuhrer principle was in fact modelled on the Japanese Emperor religion. Hitler was considered a prophet and a man guided by Providence by the German people.

Now that I have got that off my chest it is also important to understand that the National-Socialists gained power via the ballot box and formed a coalition with the establishment. From the very beginning of winning power, Hitler was constantly faced with counter-revolution from the ruling class and army big-wigs. It was only through a combination of good fortune (Providence) and political side-stepping that Hitler and the National-Socialists managed to hang on to power. 'The Night of the Long knives' is a point in case. Strasser and Ernst Röhm were calling for a second revolution. Indeed Röhm was marching with the S.A. making all kinds of public threats and gestures against Hitler. He was clearly out of his depth and drunk on power. A position he abused, by debauchery, and using his position of influence to groom and abuse Hitler Youth boys for his perverse gratification. It all quickly came to a head however when the ruling class, the army elite, gave Hitler an ultimatum. Either Hitler crushed the second revolution or we will crush you! Hitler was left with no choice but to put down the second revolution. Not because Hitler was pro big business and against the working class. But simply because he and the National-Socialists would have been ousted from power had he not done so.

Hitler was thinking about the big picture during the 'Night of the Long Knives' episode. He was thinking about hundreds, nay thousands, of years into the future. The fact that you can't comprehend that is purely down to your low IQ. You Marxist moron!

V.K.
February 23rd, 2011, 10:30 PM
You are an ignoramus, V.K. National-Socialism is a spiritual weltanschauung rather than a political belief or a set of political principles.
Its philosophy is similar to that of Zen Buddhism, and the Fuhrer principle was in fact modelled on the Japanese Emperor religion. Hitler was considered a prophet and a man guided by Providence by the German people.

All that stuff about spirituality and other airy fairy stuff is a load of bullshit.

Buddhism along with every other religion and belief based on spirituality is crap. I have no respect or time for religion or any other airy fairy bullshit.

No man is a god or prophet.

Hitler was an idiot in the long run. The generals should have been running the military during the war and making all the military decisions not Hitler.

Now that I have got that off my chest it is also important to understand that the National-Socialists gained power via the ballot box and formed a coalition with the establishment.

The NSDAP's greatest mistake was focusing way too much on the Jews and Zionists and not enough on the real cause of the country's problems. As I have always said, the Jewish Zionists are apart of the problem not the problem.

The international and domestic capitalists were the cause of Germany's problems. The "captains of industry" and the CEOs and major share holders of the major financial institutions.

This is where Strasser and the Marxists had their big differences. Strasser had no problem with the small businessmen nor with most people who owned their own enterprises. His problem was with the "captains of industry" (i.e. CEOs and/or men who owned large enterprises).

From the very beginning of winning power, Hitler was constantly faced with counter-revolution from the ruling class and army big-wigs. It was only through a combination of good fortune (Providence) and political side-stepping that Hitler and the National-Socialists managed to hang on to power. 'The Night of the Long knives' is a point in case. Strasser and Ernst Röhm were calling for a second revolution. Indeed Röhm was marching with the S.A. making all kinds of public threats and gestures against Hitler. He was clearly out of his depth and drunk on power. A position he abused, by debauchery, and using his position of influence to groom and abuse Hitler Youth boys for his perverse gratification. It all quickly came to a head however when the ruling class, the army elite, gave Hitler an ultimatum. Either Hitler crushed the second revolution or we will crush you! Hitler was left with no choice but to put down the second revolution. Not because Hitler was pro big business and against the working class. But simply because he and the National-Socialists would have been ousted from power had he not done so.

Ernst Rohm's homosexuality was irrelevant.

The Second Revolution was stopped by Hitler because it threatened the interests of the foreign imperailists and of the major domestic capitalists.

Hitler hardly cared for the ordinary working man in Germany. He banned the trade unions in order to strengthen his support amongst the ruling elite.

Instead of rebuilding the German economy on the basis of long term peace, he prepared th economy for war.

Hitler was an arrogant bastard during the war and thought that he knew everything.

Instead of maintaing the alliance with the Soviet Union, he invaded it in 1941 based on his stupid racial ideas.

Oh, and his racial idea that Slavic people were inferior was one of the dumbest things he ever did.

Hitler was thinking about the big picture during the 'Night of the Long Knives' episode. He was thinking about hundreds, nay thousands, of years into the future. The fact that you can't comprehend that is purely down to your low IQ. You Marxist moron!

Typical Hitlerite, always off with the airy fairies and talking about a thousand years but never thinking in practical terms. Always getting emotional but never thinking straight.

AussieWN
February 24th, 2011, 04:48 AM
VK the people you hold as heros were traitors and Rohm was a degenerate, so yes his sexuality was very relevant.

Darius Appleby
February 24th, 2011, 06:20 AM
Why argue with VK?

Anyone who comes across him thinks he is a raving lunatic.

Pointing out his flaws simply gives this communist the ability to fool new people for longer.

Gerry Fable
February 24th, 2011, 06:26 AM
All that stuff about spirituality and other airy fairy stuff is a load of bullshit.

Buddhism along with every other religion and belief based on spirituality is crap. I have no respect or time for religion or any other airy fairy bullshit.

No man is a god or prophet.

You are entitled to that opinion. However, what I am telling you is that National-Socialism is a spiritual Weltanschauung.

"We do not know whether Hitler is going to found a new Islam. He is already on the way; he is like Mohammad. The emotion in Germany is Islamic; warlike and Islamic. They are all drunk with wild god. That can be the historic future."

Carl Gustav Jung

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRNx38oeP2H-__ivFMO_ABRhEozi2ibdCR9AA9Po6HyS7nvH2Zf&t=1

Hitler holding the 'blood flag.'
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blutfahne)

http://cdn1.iofferphoto.com/img/item/139/026/837/nazi-party-flag-wwii-germany-the-blood-flag-869e7.jpg

There is no question but that Hitler belongs in the category of the truly mystic medicine man. As somebody commented about him at the last Nürnberg party congress, since the time of Mohammed nothing like it has been seen in this world. His body does not suggest strength. The outstanding characteristic of his physiognomy is its dreamy look. I was especially struck by that when I saw pictures taken of him in the Czechoslovakian crisis; there was in his eyes the look of a seer. This markedly mystic characteristic of Hitler's is what makes him do things which seem to us illogical, inexplicable, and unreasonable. ... So you see, Hitler is a medicine man, a spiritual vessel, a demi-deity or, even better, a myth.

Carl Gustav Jung

http://www.psywarrior.com/HitlerWK.jpg

You take an oath to a man whom you know follows the laws of providence, which he obeys independently of the influence of earthly powers, who leads the German people rightly, and who will guide Germany’s fate. Through your oath you bind yourselves to a man who — that is our faith — was sent to us by higher powers. Do not seek Adolf Hitler with your mind. You will find him through the strength of your hearts!

Adolf Hitler is Germany and Germany is Adolf Hitler. He who takes an oath to Hitler takes an oath to Germany!

Swear to great Germany, to whose sons and daughters throughout the world I send our best wishes.

[Throughout Germany people take the oath.]

This has been the greatest common taking of an oath in history!

We greet the Führer!


Rudolf Hess, Oath to Hitler speech, 1934
(http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1241254&postcount=19)
Hitler was an idiot in the long run. The generals should have been running the military during the war and making all the military decisions not Hitler.

Many generals, who came from the ruling class, were against Hitler and National-Socialism. Hitler had problems trusting them. Not surprising really when they leave suitcase bombs under the table. Claus Von Stauffenberg was an aristocrat. Many of his co-conspirators were of the same ilk.

http://joedresch.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/claus-von-stauffenberg.jpg
Claus von Stauffenberg

Leon Degrelle spoke highly of Hitler's innovative tactics in warfare. I'll post a link here as soon as I find it.

The NSDAP's greatest mistake was focusing way too much on the Jews and Zionists and not enough on the real cause of the country's problems. As I have always said, the Jewish Zionists are apart of the problem not the problem.

http://www.americainwwii.com/images/americansforhitlerstore.jpg

Look Einstein, World Jewry was/still is the problem. It was World Jewry that declared a financial boycott of German made products. The thinking behind that trade boycott was to starve the German people into surrender. Germany could only feed one-third of her people, and had to export goods to be able to feed the remaining two-thirds population. This is why NS Germany needed to expand to the East. So she could feed her people and not rely on exports on the world markets. Furthermore, as a pre-condition for any nation to export goods and commodities, it must first allow its money supply and credit to be serviced by international central banks. (http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1233618&postcount=89)The result of this fraud is inflation and an increasing national debt. Taxes are then raised to pay this national debt. This results in a short fall in public spending. So the governement then needs to ask for additional loans from the banks. This causes more debt, more taxes and more inflation. Do you recognise this scenario, V.K.? Well, Hitler did. He told the Jews to fuck off and printed his own money. Jewish international finance retaliated by organising a World-wide trade embargo on Germany. They attempted to starve the German people to death. In much the same way Stalin did to the Ukrainians.

http://www.muslim-markt.de/boykott/images/boycott_german_goods.JPG

Hitler hardly cared for the ordinary working man in Germany. He banned the trade unions in order to strengthen his support amongst the ruling elite.


The Trade Unions were controlled by Marxist revolutionaries and you know that V.K. It's called entryism. Something that you Marxists are fond of. Infiltrating groups pretending to be a supporter of. Hitler abolished them and create a national German trades union instead.


Instead of rebuilding the German economy on the basis of long term peace, he prepared th economy for war.


In order to build the armed forces, it is necessary to have a strong economy. After all, if workers are busy making tanks and planes, the onus is on the remaining workers to increase their productivity for every day good and services. To make up the short fall in labour due to arms manufacturing.

Hitler had no choice but to prepare for war because the Jews were doing the same against Germany. However, the notion that Germany was a military powerhouse on the onset of war is bollox and propaganda. Two-thirds of German infantry used horses instead of motorised vehicles. Germany wasn't prepared for a world war and that is a fact.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__dCb5tmxOb0/TFUZ-cfHofI/AAAAAAAACoY/Y9XALmwF2Hs/s1600/german_cavalry_ww2.jpg

Instead of maintaing the alliance with the Soviet Union, he invaded it in 1941 based on his stupid racial ideas.

Oh, and his racial idea that Slavic people were inferior was one of the dumbest things he ever did.


Hitler invaded the Soviet Union as a pre-emptive strike. Stalin wanted to 'liquidate' Finland, Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary, but Hitler refused to co-operate, and so Stalin moved several hundred air-born/infantry divisions close to his borders ready to invade Germany.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd_CA9dVTnI

I agree with you about Hitler's views on the Slavic peoples. They are just as smart as West Europeans and it seems (according to Table Talks) that he viewed them as servants, well fed and provided for, but should not be educated. Stalin simply wanted to 'liquidate' the Finnish, Romanians, Bulgarians and Hungarians. Still, I reject Hitler's views on the Slavic peoples though. That was wrong. Plain and simple.

Darius Appleby
February 24th, 2011, 06:47 AM
He was always a communist, and always will be.

Not even the strongest medication can cure it.

V.K.
February 24th, 2011, 08:23 AM
You are entitled to that opinion. However, what I am telling you is that National-Socialism is a spiritual weltanschauung.



We shall agree to disagree.

Many generals, who came from the ruling class, were against Hitler and National-Socialism. Hitler had problems trusting them. Not surprising really when they leave suitcase bombs under the table.

Hitler was just a corporal. One reason why I admire the German military is because it has always been apolitical. Politics and military should never mix. The old German military was patriotic and nationalistic. I would've rather have had the military running things than giving the likes of that halfwit Himmler running the show any day.

Leon Degrelle spoked highly of Hitler's innovative tactics in warfare. I'll post a link here as soon as I find it.

Most of the ideas that people think Hitler came up with were actually thought of by the generals and by some foreigners NOT by Hitler.


Look Einstein, World Jewry was/still is the problem. It was World Jewry that declared a financial boycott of German made products. The thinking behind that trade boycott was to starve the German people into surrender. Germany could only feed one-third of her people, and had to export goods to be able to feed the remaining two-thirds population. This was why NS Germany needed to expand to the East. So she could feed her people and not rely on exports on the world markets.

Of course the international Zionists have always been a problem but they are apart of the problem not the problem. Its the capitalist-intelligentsia that is the problem.

The NS government should of made allies with the eastern nations instead of invading them. The Soviet Union was willing to make deals with Germany. In fact, the USSR was exporting large amounts of commodities to Germany right up until Hitler made the mistake of invading the Soviet Union.

The USSR would have been more of an ally to Germany than Italy was during the war.

The Hitler government should have maintained and kept to the Soviet-German Non Aggression Pact of August 1939.

The Trade Unions were controlled by Marxist revolutionaries and you know that V.K. It's called entryism. Something that you Marxists are fond of. Infiltrating groups pretending to be a supporter of. Hitler abolished them and create a national German trades union instead.

I have often wondered whether a National Socialist system should keep trade unions as independent associations of free men. I am more of an old fashioned labour man so I tend to support trade unions as free associations of free and equal men.

On the other hand, I agree with you that most of the unions are now under the control of the Marxist come lefty camps.

Whether or not we should have unions or a labour front is a big issue with the NS movement and one that needs to be dealt with.

The Australian NS movement is more old fashioned labour than Hitlerite National Socialist. Some of us are members of unions and some of us have served as officials in the trade union movement. We are working class but we are not communist.

I have said many times that labels have no real meaning any more. I am a bit of everything but more of certain things and less of others.


In order to build the armed forces, it is necessary to have a strong economy. After all, if workers are busy making tanks and planes, the onus is on the remaining workers to increase their productivity for every day good and services. To make up the short fall in labour due to arms manufacturing.

But you can stil have the ability to produce military goods if you focus on the production of non military goods. Factories that can make tracktors and cars can easily be changed into factories that can make tanks, jeeps and other military transport related stuff.

We should not make the same mistake as the USSR and Hitler's Germany.

A NS government should focus on increasing production and manufacturing of basic and consumer goods to increase the people's living standard.

Government expenditure should be directed at the reinvestment into the economy in order to expand it in order to achieve full employment and higher living standards. The people want tvs, cars, computer, freezers and fridges not tanks, guns, rifles and war planes.

But as I said before, factories that can make essential goods and consumer goods can be changed into making stuff for war easily.

Just look at FDR's handling of the economy in America during the years leading up till 1941. America's military indsutrial capability increased under FDR's New Deal economic expansionist programme even though he focused on spending money on the production of consumer goods instead of military goods.

Hitler should have paid close attention to FDR's economic actions.

Hitler had no choice but to prepare for war because the Jews were doing the same against Germany. However, the notion that Germany was a military powerhouse on the onset of war is bollox and propaganda. Two-thirds of German infantry used horses instead of motorised vehicles. Germany wasn't prepared for a world war and that is a fact.

Of course not. The Hitler government was planning for the war to start well into the 1940s not in 1939. The economic four year plan only started in 1936 but the war started in 1939.

Hitler invaded the Soviet Union as a pre-emptive strike. Stalin wanted to 'liquidate' Finland, Romania and Hungary, but Hitler refused to co-operate, and so Stalin moved several air-born/infantry divisions close to his borders ready to invade Germany.

Stalin invaded Finland and failed. The Red Army was in no position to fight the Germans even after July 1941 when the Germans invaded.

I agree with you about Hitler's views on the Slavic peoples. They are just as smart as West Europeans and it seems (according to Table Talks) that he viewed them as servants (well fed and provided for) and should not be educated. That is much preferable than what Stalin had in mind for the Finnish, Romanians and Hungarians. Stalin simply wanted to exterminate them! Still, I reject Hitler's views on the Slavic peoples though. That was wrong. Plain and simple.

Hitler lost the war because of his distrust of the Slavic people. As I said before, he should have made alliances with the people of the east instead of invading and killing them. The Poles and Czechs were great fighters and would have made brilliant fighters for the Third Reich. But no, Hitler just had to enslave them and antagonise them. He could have built up an independent Slavic nation in Belorussia and Ukraine. "White Russia". Ther Germans were celebrated and greeted as heros and liberators by the Slavs.

Bev
February 26th, 2011, 09:34 AM
V.K - I'm not convinced you've left your communism behind you. You might think you have, you might want to, but from your posts, I really don't think you have. I'm not accusing you of being a troll - I just think you are genuinely confused as to where your political affiliations lie.

Do this test and post your result.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/test

It's not accurate, obviously, but it's near enough.