Just wondering if anyone can post advice on quitting smoking.
Thanks.

Not really for me, just for someone I know.....
Any remedies appreciated.

Throw them down and quit cold turkey. Assuming your friend is white he or she should be able to over power a cig.

Throw them down and quit cold turkey. Assuming your friend is white he or she should be able to over power a cig.



LOL. I only wish it could be that easy.

I quit 11/2 of this year - just over 3 wks ago. Smoked a pack (maybe a little under) a day for the past 30 yrs.

I used Nicorette lozenges you can buy in any pharmacy. Cost about $45. It gets you through the nicotine withdrawal - the physical part - but the toughest part is mental, of course....and that's all up to you.

Its gettin' easier, day by day....

JUST STOP!! QUIT! ADDICTION IS A WEAKNESS!!




Just wondering if anyone can post advice on quitting smoking.
Thanks.

Not really for me, just for someone I know.....
Any remedies appreciated.

I quit 11/2 of this year - just over 3 wks ago. Smoked a pack (maybe a little under) a day for the past 30 yrs.

I used Nicorette lozenges you can buy in any pharmacy. Cost about $45. It gets you through the nicotine withdrawal - the physical part - but the toughest part is mental, of course....and that's all up to you.

Its gettin' easier, day by day....

Congrats, Hoax. I quit for the first time about three months ago. I smoked for a little over 20 years, but about double the amount you were. I used the patch thing for about 6-7 weeks; then, just a ton of jerky and sunflower seeds. Stickin' in the seeds and spittin' them out constantly has made this a lot easier. I'm going though about 60 5.75oz bags a month, though. I get them in bulk at Costco - $7.99 for 14 bags.

Just wondering if anyone can post advice on quitting smoking.
Thanks.

Not really for me, just for someone I know.....
Any remedies appreciated.

I smoked for years, just a few a day, but I found it hard to quit permanently. When I did, I felt that it was in response to wanting to avoid annual sinus infections which are even worse due to a deviated septum recieved in my teenage years from a neighborhood nigger we used to call Trashman Joe. Anyhow, I feel much better and healthier.

The key I believe is to understand one's habit in terms of when and where it is most tempting, and then slowly but surely restrict the when and where and avoid the most tempting things for months. For example, if one mostly relapses while at taverns, then one must avoid taverns until the quitting has set in permanently. If the habit is related to morning coffee, than one may have to quit the joe or maybe take it where one cant smoke. And so forth.

Combine quitting with exercise for a powerful boost in health!

JUST STOP!! QUIT! ADDICTION IS A WEAKNESS!!


True, but almost everyone is addicted to something. Tons of people(no pun intended :p ) are addicted to food and end up eating themselves into an early grave. But yet most people never even really address overeating as being an addiction.

Eat nothing but raw fruit and veggies, nuts and seeds and berrys. Drink huge amounts of pure water a day by the jug. If going raw is not happening the water jug is still a very powerful way. That and control of the inner conversation.



Wow, that sounds like a lot of fun, I think I would rather die of lung cancer :p

Congrats, Hoax. I quit for the first time about three months ago. I smoked for a little over 20 years, but about double the amount you were. I used the patch thing for about 6-7 weeks; then, just a ton of jerky and sunflower seeds. Stickin' in the seeds and spittin' them out constantly has made this a lot easier. I'm going though about 60 5.75oz bags a month, though. I get them in bulk at Costco - $7.99 for 14 bags.

I think the patch would be the way to go. Quitting could be taken more gradually that way. How exactly does that work, I don't completely understand. Does each patch contain less nicotine, until there is none? And what happens if you do smoke while wearing the patch, do you become violently ill? :eek:

If I even attempted to go cold turkey, I would truly be living up to my title, Rotten Spoiled Bitch :D

I think the patch would be the way to go. Quitting could be taken more gradually that way. How exactly does that work, I don't completely understand. Does each patch contain less nicotine, until there is none? And what happens if you do smoke while wearing the patch, do you become violently ill? :eek:

If I even attempted to go cold turkey, I would truly be living up to my title, Rotten Spoiled Bitch :D

The way it works is there are three different patches - 21mg, 14mg & 7mg (I think that's right). The patch manufacturer gives an arbitrary recommendation such as: 6 weeks at 21mg; 4 weeks at 14mg & 2 weeks at 7mg( once again, I think that's what the box said). Now, they tell you not to cut the patches. Obviously, for it would reduce their profit margin. Pay no attention, cut away! I had the whole patch on for about 10 days; 1/2 a patch was on for about 10, as well. That left me 6 patches, which I used in 1/4 pieces when needed. If I would've used their program, I would've spent around $250.00. I spent around $50.00 for the one box of 21mg patches.

I'm not sure what happens if you smoke with the patch on. Probably nothing. I recall someone buying me some nicotine gum in Mexico years ago &, instead of reducing or quiting, I smoked, chewed and drank at the same time. No problem, sans being a little light-headed. I wouldn't, if I were you, bother attempting to quit if you really don't wish to stop. It isn't pleasant, so don't put yourself through it if you're not going to really quit.

.... That and control of the inner conversation.


Elaborate on this one, good doctor. Does the inner conversation help or hinder the process?

I think that one has to know the habit, to know how to control the inner conversation. ie, what mental images trigger the desire to smoke. then you avoid the images, to avoid the desire. that would be what I would take from the statement "control the inner conversation." maybe dr a will discuss this in more detail or contrast his meaning with my interpretation?

I think that one has to know the habit, to know how to control the inner conversation. ie, what mental images trigger the desire to smoke. then you avoid the images, to avoid the desire. that would be what I would take from the statement "control the inner conversation." maybe dr a will discuss this in more detail or contrast his meaning with my interpretation?


Yes, I, too, would like to hear the Dr. A's perspective. I wonder if it has anything to do with the imaginary cigs I kept reaching for on my desk and nightstand, at least for the first couple of weeks?

Yes, I, too, would like to hear the Dr. A's perspective. I wonder if it has anything to do with the imaginary cigs I kept reaching for on my desk and nightstand, at least for the first couple of weeks?



LOL. I am not quite sure whether you are trying to be funny or not. The crazy thing is I can almost see something like that happening just because all aspects of smoking become such a habit. The physical symptoms are only a small part of this most terrible habit :eek:

LOL. I am not quite sure whether you are trying to be funny or not. The crazy thing is I can almost see something like that happening just because all aspects of smoking become such a habit. The physical symptoms are only a small part of this most terrible habit :eek:

No. I'm serious about the reaching thing. It was the oddest thing, I tell ya.

A few very important points to tell anyone who wants to quit, IMO:

(1) AVOID THE COMPANY OF OTHER SMOKERS WHILE YOU'RE TRYING TO QUIT. If you have to lock yourself in your house and be a hermit for the first few weeks, then do so.

(2) AVOID ALCOHOL. Drinking makes you want to smoke.

(3) FIND ANOTHER (LESS HARMFUL) ADDICTION THAT YOU CAN USE TO DISTRACT YOURSELF. If you get addicted to video games easily (as I do), then they can work wonders in this regard.

(4) KEEP FIRMLY IN MIND THAT THE CRAVING WILL PASS. One of the most common reasons why people relapse into smoking is because their minds subtly lie to them and tell them that the craving will never get better. When I was trying to quit (cold turkey after 2 packs a day for many years), the craving got so bad that at one point I found myself dreaming about smoking almost every night. DON'T GIVE IN. You will NOT need cigarettes for the rest of your life.

I think that one has to know the habit, to know how to control the inner conversation. ie, what mental images trigger the desire to smoke. then you avoid the images, to avoid the desire. that would be what I would take from the statement "control the inner conversation." maybe dr a will discuss this in more detail or contrast his meaning with my interpretation?


After a meal... That's the WORST! :mad:

Good suggestions listed in the thread.

Nicotine patches DO work, but you will have to find something to occupy your hands and mouth. Play with a pencil or something, and nibble on seeds or twizzlers.

Likewise, nicotine gum works, but you may find it can be as addicting as cigarettes.

YES, begin to exercise when you quit. The endorphines generated by even a modest workout can give you a buzz to rival nicotine. Start with a brisk walk every evening and some mild strength and stretching exercises. Better yet, invest 3 or 4 hundred in a treadmill.

YES, stay away from smokers and alcohol.

Remember that sudden urges will pass in 2 or 3 minutes if you don't dwell on them. When an urge hits, pucker your mouth and take a couple of slow deep breaths. Breath out slowly as well (it really works).

You will also have to have a good reason (for yourself) to quit, or you won't make it. Whether it's to improve your health/fitness or (in my case) to save money (what I used to pay for tobacco in a year now pays for a vacation in Florida). Quitting because someone WANTS you to (or you THINK they do) generally doesn't work. You'll still smoke, but be guilt ridden as well.

End of sermon. Good luck.

Nicotine patches DO work, but you will have to find something to occupy your hands and mouth. Play with a pencil or something, and nibble on seeds or twizzlers.


Now that you brought this up, this is something that concerns me. I have known a lot of people who have attempted to quit smoking and have gained weight. And I know that weight gain is a common occurrence for many people who quit. I do want to quit smoking, but I don't want to get fat in the process. I know this concern may seem silly to some people, but as a woman my physical appearance has always been extremely important to me.

Hoax, Intrepid: Did either of you experience this weight gain when you quit smoking?

Likewise, nicotine gum works, but you may find it can be as addicting as cigarettes.

It may work, but I figure it must taste pretty nasty :eek:

Now that you brought this up, this is something that concerns me. I have known a lot of people who have attempted to quit smoking and have gained weight. And I know that weight gain is a common occurrence for many people who quit. I do want to quit smoking, but I don't want to get fat in the process. I know this concern may seem silly to some people, but as a woman my physical appearance has always been extremely important to me.

Hoax, Intrepid: Did either of you experience this weight gain when you quit smoking?



It may work, but I figure it must taste pretty nasty :eek:Like I said, I quit 11/02 and I've gained maybe 2-3 lbs. I'm just under 175 now, but I really don't gain weight all that much. I read somewhere that the average person gains 15-20 lbs. before all is said and done. From what I've seen, that seems to be about right.

Fuck the weight, HG - I know you wanna look good, but c'mon, what's more important? Besides, you're White - use your will power to keep slim and sexy. ;)

Like I said, I quit 11/02 and I've gained maybe 2-3 lbs. I'm just under 175 now, but I really don't gain weight all that much. I read somewhere that the average person gains 15-20 lbs. before all is said and done. From what I've seen, that seems to be about right.

Fuck the weight, HG - I know you wanna look good, but c'mon, what's more important? Besides, you're White - use your will power to keep slim and sexy. ;)



2-3 or even 5 pounds is fine, but 15-20 for the average person? That is terrible :eek:

I obviously have no will power when it comes to smoking. but I have always had plenty when it comes to food and dieting. I hope that doesn't change when, and if, I quit smoking. I do not want to be substituting one addiction for another. Seriously though, I know that I would never allow myself to gain 15-20 pounds.

Nictotine is a cns stimulant in the same family as caffeine and amphetamine. It also suppresses appetite (most smokers have experienced eliminating hunger pangs by smoking instead).

When you quit smoking your body's metabolism has to adjust to living without the stimulant. Your body will burn calories at a slower rate. Without the appetite suppression of nicotine, you will feel more hungry than you are accustomed to. Eating more + slower metabolism = weight gain. That's another good reason to start an exercise regime when you quit.

Oh, a question to the Goddess: You said you don't want to "get fat?" Does that mean all of your posts claiming to be fat were just jokes, and you are in actuality a svelt Aryan beauty?

Oh, a question to the Goddess: You said you don't want to "get fat?" Does that mean all of your posts claiming to be fat were just jokes, and you are in actuality a svelt Aryan beauty?

No, it is true. I am 500 pounds ;) that is why I am even more concerned, I mean, I really can't afford to gain any more weight! :o

Now that you brought this up, this is something that concerns me. I have known a lot of people who have attempted to quit smoking and have gained weight. And I know that weight gain is a common occurrence for many people who quit. I do want to quit smoking, but I don't want to get fat in the process. I know this concern may seem silly to some people, but as a woman my physical appearance has always been extremely important to me.

Hoax, Intrepid: Did either of you experience this weight gain when you quit smoking?



It may work, but I figure it must taste pretty nasty :eek:

I've gone from 175lbs to about 185lbs, H.G. I'm 6'1", so it's a good weight. It was only the first week or two that I was gorging on grub. Funny thing is, I've been in my gym and out runnin', hikin' etc. considerably more than before before & the weight has just stabilized. So there must be something to the metabolism issue. One other thing I just noticed a couple of days back: I'm getting about 1,000 calories & 75g of fat just out of these darn sunflower seeds I'm gnawing on constanly. :eek:

Btw, the gum doesn't taste that bad, but I think the patch is more effective.

Thanks for all of your suggestions. Obviously, there are numerous options out there for people desiring to quit smoking.
The info is out there. It becomes a matter of personal pride and motivation and that comes from within.
Sometimes our habits, both good and bad ones, become a part of our lifestyles. It may sound silly, but things like smoking, working out, drinking, etc. are literally a part of our daily routines. Not unlike getting dressed and sleeping....
To rectify certain habits, it may take a complete change of basic lifestyle.
A whole new change of environment may help to start a new lifestyle change for someone.
HG, you of course can and will quit smoking.
I think you know this deep down inside.
2005 is coming up, research and try a few of the suggestions noted in time to make a new year's resolution that you can be proud of.
Weight gain may or may not happen, but that is something that can be dealt with later and will be easier to deal with. Trust me.
I'm going to have to introduce you to the gym soon which will not only increase your likelihood of quitting smoking, but will also make you feel better physically and mentally and will easily neutralize any little weight gain that may occur when you kick the smoking habit.

Think longterm goals, longterm health.
Living with a nonsmoker could do wonders for sticking with your plan of ridding your body of the nicotine habit.

That is part of it, we all have conversations with ourselfs daily in our minds should we do this why? What could happen etc. There is alot of ways you think of a smoke at a certain time then you think to yourself that would feel great and how bad you want one, and just one more time etc,etc. You will not last too long as that negative inner talk kills will power. Most all people who have low self esteem etc. All have SUPER NEGATIVE INNER TALK. They tell themselfs there losers, they do not derserve this or that, that is too hard, Iam no good etc.

Hate to admit it but I learned the secret of will power when I was young from the bibble. When jeboo was super tempted by evil he would not say well I think you might be right or maybe this once etc. He got mad at it and told it off. This is the secret of inner alchemy you take any emotion and turn it into positive anger and vise versa. But you have to have emotional impact with your words just meaningless reapeating with no feeling behind. If people when temped by a smoke would think or even say out loud NO this is junk and Iam better then this shit etc. They would find more sucess. And the mind powers the body I wish white people would stop beating themselfs up all the time. The battle is truely won or lost in the mind frist.

great post. I think that pretty much sums up Norman Vincent Peale's POWER OF POSITIVE THINKING. Which is a great book, btw, my dad said "boy, you want to be a success, you should read three books: Power of Positive Thinking by Peale, DRESS FOR SUCCESS by Malloy, and HOW TO WIN FRIENDS AND INFLUENCE PEOPLE by Dale Carnegie.

Anybody who enjoyes MIGHT IS RIGHT by Redbeard will enjoy those books as well.

I am reading a new one by Malloy I stumbled onto called "LIVE FOR SUCCESS." That is a winner too.

In four years of interacting with Alex Linder, I can tell you folks that he is a very positive thinker. I cant tell you how many times, via VNN front page or email or otherwise, Linder has struck a confident upbeat note, even when certain situations looked kind of dim to me. If you have been around for a while you may remember the BW goatfuck. Well, Alex just kept on truckin. THAT friends is the attitude of a winner: "I will not be blocked" as he has often said.

Alex has had supporters who could have made better judgments. That includes not just supporters who have been known publically but those who are not. Alex acts like a leader and accepts responsibility but in that case the decision was taken mostly prior to him being informed and apprised of it and it was a gift horse situation. Nuff said.

The point is, Linder shows resilience and tenacity, and as you say, PERSISTENCE. That is a good quote from Silent Cal by the way.

to bring it back to the thread topic, quitting smoking, it requires persistence. most people quit a bunch of times and relapse before it takes hold. once I learned this fact, I found myself empowered by remembering it.

so do not be detracted by failures. you may have a hundred failures before your grand success. Victory may lie over the next ridge, how do you know it doesnt if you dont keep moving?

Not a tip, but an observation.

Almost everybody I know who quit succesfully did it just by deciding "I quit" and then quit without using any other help but willpower. Aryan will is stronger than all programs, drugs put together.

I think it's true that quitting is more a psychological challenge than a physical one. I've twice quit for over a month and that should have broke the physical part. I never got the headaches that people complain about but for a few days after stopping there's an odd sensation in my head like it's in a vacuum. Feels like something is pulling on my head in all directions. Uncomfortable but not painful. I'm jumpy for a few days too.

I guess you just have to *hate* the habit. My dad quit a long time ago and now can't stand having tobacco smoke in the air around him at all. My mom never smoked but it doesn't bother her a bit unless she's shut in a small space with lots of it. Have to admit I still like the taste and smell of tobacco so i'm probably not quitting soon.

Like others said, you really do want to eat a lot more. Swapping habits can work , though. Just be sure to trade for something benign and cheap. A great uncle of mine quit "cold turkey", but for the rest of his life he almost always had a toothpick in his mouth. Always kept a box on him. Yeah it's a crutch, and you're hanging on to the psychological habit of keeping something for your hands and mouth to fiddle with but at least a toothpick won't give you a tumour :)

A practical way to avoid smoking cigarettes is to deliberately lose all lighters matches and keep away from sources of ignition.

If you cant light up the ciggy, you cant smoke it. It works for me.

A practical way to avoid smoking cigarettes is to deliberately lose all lighters matches and keep away from sources of ignition.

If you cant light up the ciggy, you cant smoke it. It works for me.


LOL. Sure, but it isn't like it wouldn't be easy enough to just go buy another lighter. And if you have a stove in your house, that certainly cancels this out as well. :p

[QUOTE=Border Ruffian]I think it's true that quitting is more a psychological challenge than a physical one. QUOTE]


This is completely true. When I have not smoked for a while, the actual physical symptoms are very minor, slight headache, a little lightheadeness, etc. The psychological symptoms are much worse, and certainly much more powerful. When you smoke there are so many activities that seem to revolve around smoking that you don't even become fully aware of until you attempt to quit. These psychological aspects of smoking are what gets me everytime when I have even attempted to cut down.

I've now quit smoking for almost a month and a FUCKIN' HALF, AND SO FAR IT HAS'NT MADE ME EDGY ONE DAMN FUCKIN' BIT!!!

('hem....just thought I'd keep y'all updated). ;)

Maybe you should get yourself a man then you would have something else to suck beside a smoke.LOL


That is disgusting. lol
I have a man and still I smoke. :(

I've now quit smoking for almost a month and A FUCKIN' HALF, AND SO FAR IT HAS'NT MADE ME EDGY ONE DAMN FUCKIN' BIT!!!

('hem....just thought I'd keep y'all updated). ;)


so I see :D

I quit smoking 10 years ago by taking up chewing tobacco. I personally think it is not as bad for your health as smoking. 4 years ago I quit chewing tobacco by using a pill the doctor gave me to get over the symptoms of quitting. I think it was a very light dose of some anti-depressant. After a week I stopped taking the pill and have never gone back. Now I hate the smell of cigarette smoke and the thought of putting a chew in my lip turns my stomach.

LOL. Sure, but it isn't like it wouldn't be easy enough to just go buy another lighter. And if you have a stove in your house, that certainly cancels this out as well. :p
I quit by convincing myself that I couldn't be bothered with getting out of my house and going to the store. Too much trouble. And I'd meet too many other people, which I don't really like doing. So I just sat at home until I got over the nicotine habit.

Jerry Abbott

Get a prescription for Zyban, then take hypnosis at the same time. That will take care of both the physical and mental aspects of the addiction. Worked for me and I loved smoking, especially when drinking in a bar arguing politics till the wee hours of the morning. I still enjoy being around smokers, smells good to me hehe!

Bump old thread for all of us trying to quit smoking. It's hard to quit , this threadwith all the advice, gives me a good dose of will power though.

What worked for me was taking hypnosis sessions in conjunction with Zyban. I was able to quit for years. I know the hypnosis worked because I tried the Zyban without it this year and it didn't work.

I'm now on Chantix and will be taking the hypnosis thing again.

Also, plan on changing some of your habits. Sign up for that gym or go walking or go veggie for awhile. Get your subconscious mind to form different patterns.

You know, I should have said, "what worked for me was taking Zyban in conjuction with hypnosis sessions." It's been a long day. I drove for 10 hours with a 3 hour layover because my car hit a shredded tire and screwed up my front end. I made it though! :D

Zyban FUCKED ME UP when I tried it.
I'm talking amphetamine-like effects, without any good feelings.

IMHO, it's just another case of the jew-poison cure being worse than the original problem.

Zyban is actually a form of wellbutrin, which is a anti-depressant. It was found that it removed the urge to smoke in patients with depression. I agree, it's not for everyone, that's why it's prescribed. I can tell you from my experience that gum or the patch is close to worthless.

I didn't have those effects with Zyban but I did get into some mild mood swings. Chantix has some side effects, like nausea and gas, but it's been mild and it's actually helping with the urges. The big thing here is to get into different habit patterns, because that habit of putting something in your mouth or having a cig with coffee or after eating is more psychological than physical. This is where hypnosis really helps.

Of course, for some people, hypnosis or the drugs alone will do the trick. It's a combo thing for me because to tell you the truth, I enjoy smoking, especially while drinking (that's how I got started again). It's just kicking the bag or doing anything strenous that leaves me breathless that really sucks.

I don't want to be huffing and puffing while I'm thumping on Antis but rather, yelling and laughing :D

Quitting these cigs is really hard to do. http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n290/CJay_015/sm-giggle.gif I miss having something to do with my hands , like putting something in your mouth, it is a habit hard to break. I guess hypnosis would be the best thing to take though since it has to do with changing our thinking, not the gum or patches, I wouldn't bother with them. There's some scary stuff written about smoking cigs, one article had a list of celebrities that died of smoking related disease - lung cancer.
One article said that the tobacco companies like Marlboro are " freebasing " nicotine in the cigarettes to increase the addictive quality ( adding extra ). This made me mad enough that I'm trying to stay off them.
One guy on SF said that the Indians in this country are the ones that started the white men to smoking when the settlers first got here in America, teaching them to smoke tobacco.
I wonder why noone has invented a healthy cigarette yet, they said in the article that the tobacco have tried that too, but haven't been able to do it . http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n290/CJay_015/sm-giggle.gif