This looks interesting...

http://www.apple.com/trailers/touchstone/national_treasure/trailer/

Getting lemmings used to the Illuminate?

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/Yeehaacon/nationaltreasure_01.jpg

I saw the movie, the first I saw in theaters in... about a year now I think.

It had a pretty good plot, good action scenes and stuff. I could tell ya all about but if you want a summary you can read other reviews, and I don't wanna give any spoilers. A major focus of the movie is freemasonry :rolleyes:

I really don't know much about this ideology, except it seems like a distant relative of marxism, involving Illuminati-like elements. The movie states that many of the Founding Fathers were freemasons, something which I have heard before, but doesn't go a great deal into concepts of freemasonry. Any more info on this?

I saw the movie, the first I saw in theaters in... about a year now I think.

It had a pretty good plot, good action scenes and stuff. I could tell ya all about but if you want a summary you can read other reviews, and I don't wanna give any spoilers. A major focus of the movie is freemasonry :rolleyes:

I really don't know much about this ideology, except it seems like a distant relative of marxism, involving Illuminati-like elements. The movie states that many of the Founding Fathers were freemasons, something which I have heard before, but doesn't go a great deal into concepts of freemasonry. Any more info on this?

Maybe to throw people off the track of the Jew? Hmmmm...

I saw the movie, the first I saw in theaters in... about a year now I think.

It had a pretty good plot, good action scenes and stuff. I could tell ya all about but if you want a summary you can read other reviews, and I don't wanna give any spoilers. A major focus of the movie is freemasonry :rolleyes:

I really don't know much about this ideology, except it seems like a distant relative of marxism, involving Illuminati-like elements. The movie states that many of the Founding Fathers were freemasons, something which I have heard before, but doesn't go a great deal into concepts of freemasonry. Any more info on this?

I am reading the book History of Jacobinism by Abbe Baruel. You can buy it here:

http://www.culturewars.com/books.htm

History of Jacobinism by Abbe Barruel with a new introduction by Stanley Jaki. Published in four volumes beginning in 1798, Barruel's book documented the realization that the French Revolution was not an innocuous moment in the tradition of dissent, but a conspiracy which began with the philosophes, was furthered by the Illuminati, and which would not stop as long as there was a priest at the altar or a prince on his throne. Indespensible for understanding the Enlightenment and the world we live in today. $58 + S&H, Hardback

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My 2 cents: this book is written from a traditionalist Catholic perspective and it basically says the Jews/Illuminists have used continental freemasonry to advance their socially subversive agenda of libertinage, egalitarianism, and anti-clericalism. the book is sold by a good fellow who is very critical of Jewish subversion. but it is expensive so only get it if you are really interested in this topic.
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if you want to discuss freemasonry, I have started a thread here, it will give you some stuff to follow up on:

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=159878#post159878

The movie states that many of the Founding Fathers were freemasons, something which I have heard before, but doesn't go a great deal into concepts of freemasonry. Any more info on this?

Not sure if this is of interest?
George Washingtons family descended from Northamptonshire (England )Freemasons whose family home was at Sulgrave Manor - see link. http://www.maurice.skynet.co.uk/northants/nsulgrav.htm

Benjamin Franklin (another Northamptonshire Freemason) was a member of a Lodge that met at 'The Worlds End' a country Inn extant as a public house to this day at Ecton (an obscure village now on the old A45 road in Northants) .

A review of the role of the Northanptonshire-descended Mason's in American History reveals the influential role they played in US history.
The Northamptonshire Masons lodges had a focal point (Higher Masonic 27th Degree meetings) at the 'Golden Hind' in Wellingborough, Northants).

As a non sequitur the mediaeval oak timbered structure ofthe Golden Hind (still standing as an Inn and Hotel today) was the headquarters of Britains first and only Republican Leader, Oliver Cromwell, in his successful military campaign in the English Civil war before the Battle of Naseby. Most of the British Civil War Battles were fought in Northamptonshire pitting Mason versus Royalist, Roundhead versus Cavalier; at Edgehill, Naseby, and countless minor but bloody skirmishes such as those that occurred at Wymington (on border with Northants and Bedford County) and at Castle Ashby in 1645. http://www.britainexpress.com/counties/northants/az/naseby.htm

From the time of the American revolution 'Northamptonshire Masons' (such as their most famous descendent George Washington) used their administrative Masonic systems and Code-making skills in entities such as the Committees of Public Safety and Correspondence which were were critical to the organization of the American Revolution. It is known that to preserve secrecy many of these committees carried out their activities in Masonic code.

A pyramidal stone monument used as a fire-containing beacon of design used by Franklin as the design icon for the literal "pyre-amid" (or pyramid) printed on US currency - exists at Bradden, a rural Northamptonshire village very close to the Washington family's Sulgrave manor estate.

The Bradden site and 'Pyramid' was on the market for housing re-development in the early 1980s for what seemed an extortionate sum of 80,000 pounds.I was visiting Sulgrave at that time doing the usual tourist route and was informed of the Bradden pyramid and its links to Washington and Franklin and the Golden Hind Lodge and design similarity to the famous iconic symbol pctured on Franklins designed paper currency.

Without any shadow of doubt the families of many of the key founding fathers of the USA had connections firmly grounded in the traditions of a rural Masonic Order whose arcane Northamptonshire Lodge, meeting at the 'Golden Hind' Hotel is supposedly still in operation.

SPOILER AHEAD:


Well, at the end of the movie, Cage and his crew do find the treasure (it's a shitload), but instead of keeping it, Cage gives it away, to various governmental museums, including a large share of the priceless historical gems to sub-human governments in nigger-occupied Africa :confused: . That seems like a marxist, multi-culti thing to do. Cage says he does this in memory of the freemasons who founded the country, so supposedly it is line with freemason doctrine.

SPOILER AHEAD:


Well, at the end of the movie, Cage and his crew do find the treasure (it's a shitload), but instead of keeping it, Cage gives it away, to various governmental museums, including a large share of the priceless historical gems to sub-human governments in nigger-occupied Africa :confused: . That seems like a marxist, multi-culti thing to do. Cage says he does this in memory of the freemasons who founded the country, so supposedly it is line with freemason doctrine.


As a movie, as entertainment, I really loved it. It was without all the filthiness I usually expect from Hollywood, and didn't try to rub my face in political correctness at every turn. No blacks! Just one working at a shop, and the smarty kid they used in that one scene. The settings were certainly grand, like a big-screen tour of some famous places.

The Freemasons bit, as explained at the beginning of the movie, was "the big lie". They tell you in writer's advice books, that if you're going to be spinning a story based on nonsense, you tell the "big lie" right up front so the reader can decide if they want to play along or not. Like, "once upon a time there was a 50-foot dragon, who..." or "in the frozen wastelands of Pluto, I found myself..." etc. I appreciated having the Freemasons explained that way at the beginning, defining the rules of the fiction for the purposes of storytelling. If they had tried to work the big lie in at the middle, then it would have been propaganda and I would have resented it.

About giving the treasure away-- I'd say that was a sensible thing to do, since the amount he got to keep as a reward was obviously sufficient, and he could enjoy it in peace, whereas if he had tried to keep it all, it would have been legal battle after legal battle the rest of his life. Or a bullet :-) He saw himself as a white knight, and breaking the treasure up was in keeping with his mission.

King_Tiger, I asked you before, but now I can't even find which thread it was I asked you! So I don't know if you replied. Just wondering what movie your avatar comes from! Thanks