Anyone care to explain the current VNNF situation briefly?


Somethin' with Miller, Norcal, and Linder and uh...


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WR took over the forum and banned Miller and unbanned Norcal. Alex can accept it or find another server in order to bring back Miller and reban Norcal. That's the gist of it from what I gathered.

I thought this was Linder's baby?

Hmm....(confused)


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Linder buys server space from WR.

[QUOTE=Cracker oftheWhip]WR took over the forum and banned Miller and unbanned Norcal. Alex can accept it or find another server in order to bring back Miller and reban Norcal. That's the gist of it from what I gathered.[/QUOTE]Also, most of the mods were deactivated, and only WR members have any control over the board. So how the moderation's going to be from now on, I have no clue.

[QUOTE=Pixi]Also, most of the mods were deactivated, and only WR members have any control over the board. So how the moderation's going to be from now on, I have no clue.[/QUOTE]I noticed WRMC 14 in moderator status and wondered who he was.

[QUOTE=Alex Linder]
FOR THOSE WONDERING WHAT HAS HAPPENED??

Some party or parties with White Revolution have decided to seize control of VNNForum, and ban/unban/control content as they please, entirely without my knowledge and against my wishes.

VNN/F up until now has been a paid customer of White Revolution's server. That obviously cannot continue under these conditions. So, VNN/F will find a new server.

This coup, I don't know what else you'd call it, is sad. It tears down trust between people. The right thing for White Revolution to do was to notify me privately that it was no longer happy with the terms of our business relationship, and give us time to make arrangement. That did not happen. This takeover was completely out of the blue. [/QUOTE]
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=13254&page=4&pp=10

[QUOTE=albion]http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=13254&page=4&pp=10[/QUOTE]

Thanks Albion.



Well if there was ever a time for MOMUS and Intrepid lobby to get me banned, now would be it. ;)


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Oh, quit your mewling. Wouldn't "anti-Anima lobby" be a better way to phrase your ego-stoked, amalgamated fantasy-foe?
None of this is about gooky, nerdy, forum piss-ants such as you.
Put your lil' breathless, tippy-toe persecution-complex on the shelf for awhile.

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]
Well if there was ever a time for MOMUS and Intrepid lobby to get me banned, now would be it. ;)


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[QUOTE=Pixi]Also, most of the mods were deactivated, and only WR members have any control over the board. So how the moderation's going to be from now on, I have no clue.[/QUOTE]

Pixi can I hazard a guess: :)
Any rare instances of moderation may tend towards a perspective on issues that is pro- "members (who) have any control over the board" :rolleyes: ?

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Anyone care to explain the current VNNF situation briefly?


Somethin' with Miller, Norcal, and Linder and uh...


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Uhm if you took the time to do some reading, you wouldnt have had to make this thread now would you? *Chris pats little eurasian on the head and says Better luck next time* :D

[QUOTE=Chris.V]Uhm if you took the time to do some reading, you wouldnt have had to make this thread now would you? *Chris pats little eurasian on the head and says Better luck next time* :D[/QUOTE]

Looked like a big clusterfuck of discombobulated views and threads.


Better a swift and concise answer like Albion posted. :D


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[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Looked like a big clusterfuck of discombobulated views and threads.


Better a swift and concise answer like Albion posted. :D


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Perhaps a graph, chart or stat will clarify things?

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Well if there was ever a time for MOMUS and Intrepid lobby to get me banned, now would be it. ;)


...[/QUOTE]Well, lucky for you, it seems that a rift has developed between the two.

Shit; ya see what happens when I miss a day of VNNF activity? I gotta catch up on these threads...

Here's what I don't get:

If Linder was paying them for their services, how can they hijack his forum and still call it "VNN"?

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How about a comforting truism? A soothing bromide? Take this;
"possession is 9/10 of the law."
Remember, I offer only an analgesic, not truth.

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Here's what I don't get:

If Linder was paying them for their services, how can they hijack his forum and still call it "VNN"?

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[QUOTE=King_Tiger]Shit; ya see what happens when I miss a day of VNNF activity? I gotta catch up on these threads...[/QUOTE]You've missed a whole day? Good luck to you. I've been glued to my since Billy issued his statement, and I am still behind.

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Here's what I don't get:

If Linder was paying them for their services, how can they hijack his forum and still call it "VNN"?

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and heres what I got:

Linder only paid for 3 months of service.. sounds mighty nice to me, for WR to have continued hosting and helping, for free.

[QUOTE=MOMUS]Oh, quit your mewling. Wouldn't "anti-Anima lobby" be a better way to phrase your ego-stoked, amalgamated fantasy-foe?
None of this is about gooky, nerdy, forum piss-ants such as you.
Put your lil' breathless, tippy-toe persecution-complex on the shelf for awhile.[/QUOTE]

Actually, he's got a point. Can we finally get rid of the piece of shit?

[QUOTE=Bogatyr]Actually, he's got a point. Can we finally get rid of the piece of shit?[/QUOTE]

No.

*Apu*


Thank you, come again.


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KIKESTEIN....'nuff said.
:rolleyes:


[QUOTE=Keystone]ENTRAILS....'nuff said
:)[/QUOTE]

I don't know anything of the sort. Are you threatening to go somewhere? Again? How many times is it now?
I suppose one might miss an infestation of parasites.... once they were successfully removed. Let's try it and see.
Don't blather and burble about leaving the forum, GO.

[QUOTE=Keystone]You know you're gonna miss me MOMUS.

Yidstone[/QUOTE]

Don't YOU be that way. It's too soon to gloat about the forum being 'boarded up', clever fellow.
At any rate, you'll still have ample parking for the local niggers when they attend your next multicult BBQ.

[QUOTE=Keystone]Don't be that way, MOMUS. Not now. They're boarding up the place. You should be worried about where you're gonna park your Free Range Anti Deathstar.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MOMUS]
At any rate, you'll still have ample parking for the local niggers when they attend your next multicult BBQ.[/QUOTE]I've heard mention of Keystone being associated with BBQs, but I don't know the story behind it. Any chance you'd be so kind as to clue me in?

Mr Rogers Jr, when in his "holier than VNN racists" mode, has boasted many times of having the neighborhood's "good niggers" over to share chicken wangs and gunfire.

[QUOTE=Pixi]I've heard mention of Keystone being associated with BBQs, but I don't know the story behind it. Any chance you'd be so kind as to clue me in?[/QUOTE]

Don't be that way, MOMUS. Not now. They're boarding up the place. You should be worried about where you're gonna park your Free Range Anti Deathstar.

Free range anti deathstar? Priceless. That's so funny that I can't even laugh! :D


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Watch out, Alex! Don't let 'em strip search you like they did to Kelso! After all, it's supposed to be your forum.

Hey... a Free Range Anti Deathstar?

That must be the Deluxe model with all the extras!

:D

Keystone said-
If there is another incarnation of VNN/F you'll be banned. You're silenced either way.What makes you conclude that? You mean Alex will have by then changed his general free speech forum?

It's true that I'm a member of WR- last moment I checked...but I didn't know anything about this plan happening. In fact, I got summarily banned as a mod. The reasons were given by Tom88. They took all of us off-status.

I happen to think Alex will believe me. So I don't know what you're misrepresenting in your post #35, the end of your second paragraph, Keystone.

[QUOTE=Keystone]I'm not trying to misrepresent anything. All I'm saying is that what Roper and WR did is now a done deal. If I were Linder or WR , I would rather the site be shut down and hash this out offline. This useless bickering and posturing is not something you need. It's a circus. Not all publicity is good, despite what the jewish publicists tell you.[/QUOTE]

True. It's a howling and shit throwing match at the monkey house; doesn't do Whites any good at all.

I agree with you that Linder's going to be the last man standing. Slovanski had some pithy things to say about this clusterfuck. "This is what movement types do every once in awhile" or something similar.

Slovanski is so right about The Movement®, as AE told me once, "It's a house of mirrors," boys. Mark that.

That's why I stopped the PM nonsense. Very few people here worth talking to privately or actually meeting. Linder's quote on the character of the average racialist was proven for all to see round here last night.

I am not a Miller supporter, but I've never impugned Alex as a consequence. I would say it's bad form to try a take a fellow's board out from under him because you disagree with his associates. I still think Miller is a anchor round his neck, and it won't end here, but Linder will come out on top. He's a survivor; he's quality.

[QUOTE=Keystone]Miller is a harmful throwback. You noticed the family rap sheet he proudly posted.

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Even though I think Keystone is a jew troll, I agree with this. Miller should never have been involved with any project to reach out to the mainstream, because his bio alone would NATURALLY discredit that project in the eyes of the mainstream. Miller - in this forum - bragging about his sons' crimes is a perfect example of the real problem with Miller.

The informer stuff he is accused of just puts the icing on the cake.

[QUOTE=Abzug Hoffman][QUOTE=Keystone]Miller is a harmful throwback. You noticed the family rap sheet he proudly posted.

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Miller should never have been involved with any project to reach out to the mainstream,[/QUOTE]
The thing is Miller is the only one that could get involved in the actual activism.

[QUOTE=sean(doc)martin]The thing is Miller is the only one that could get involved in the actual activism.[/QUOTE]

That may be due to the content and the presentation of material in the paper itself, which was all up to Linder, as I understand. Here again, some of the stuff in the first two tabloids had the effect of turning off the mainstream guys and also a lot of the regulars on this board. Now that is just like Miller - getting a negative reaction from both sides. I don't see how anyone ever expected to get anywhere by doing this.

[QUOTE=Abzug Hoffman]
Even though I think Keystone is a jew troll, I agree with this. Miller should never have been involved with any project to reach out to the mainstream, because his bio alone would NATURALLY discredit that project in the eyes of the mainstream. Miller - in this forum - bragging about his sons' crimes is a perfect example of the real problem with Miller.

The informer stuff he is accused of just puts the icing on the cake.[/QUOTE]

That's a fair summary. I've never focused on the informant allegations because they are just that, it's all he said, she said bullshit. How does anyone except the principals know what really happened twenty years ago between Lane, Scutari, Evans et al and Miller? Why does everyone here take it for granted that Miller's bio is "an open book?" No one's bio is an open book. Everyone has something in their past they're not proud of. The things that Miller is proud of - "certifiable family activisms" - are a red flag for anyone with the barest minimum of common sense; you're going to be doing hard time if you associate with this guy.

I don't know what Miller is (besides narcissistic and ambitious), but I do know what he isn't: he isn't judicious, he isn't bright, and he isn't emotionally detached from anything. Have you seen the puerile flame wars he's indulged in?

As far as not impugning Linder re: Miller. Let me clarify. I don't think Alex should be insulted or disrespected because of his association with Miller. Eventually, I think he will regret it solely on the latter's inevitable behavior. I do not want to see Miller drag down VNN.

One more thing: if it's proven I'm dead wrong on Miller, I'll concede that, and he'll have my (and countless others) support.

[QUOTE=Keystone]Baloney, Sean. You say that you are racially active in your own area and didn't have a need for Miller's tabloids.

Besides, what's wrong with studying and researching on your own and actually talking to people face to face, without driving people away with off-color, profane tabloids. Miller helped produce material that white Christians would throw in the trashcan.

That may work on college campuses but not middle America, where most of us live.[/QUOTE]
I didn’t say I agreed with or even liked the thing I just said Miller was the only one to put the thing together.

I don’t disagree with your last two points either.

keystone is cocky now that the scab has disappeared, the one resulting from his encounter with the deathstar. That was fun, thanks for the reminder. :D Maybe I should fire the old thread up and see if keystone want to make another faggot attack. Whaddaya think?

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Free range anti deathstar? Priceless. That's so funny that I can't even laugh! :D


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Hell, if I were a jew troll, I would have lost interest and filed my report months ago: "These VNN goyim are playing right into our hands..Muhahaha!"


Heh, for real. The ADL doesn't need to waste resources combating anti-semitism among whites, stuff like this does their work for them.


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THAT is no shit.

[QUOTE=Anima Eternae]Heh, for real. The ADL doesn't need to waste resources combating anti-semitism among whites, stuff like this does their work for them.


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Just a couple points I want to clear up.

1) We had a banner-for-hosting deal with White Revolution for most of the time they hosted us. That is why we had their banner over our letters page, and their banner on this forum. I also allowed Tom to put up RadioWhite and Panzerfaust banners, since he did a lot of work to keep us up and running. Eventually WR moved to a better and more expensive server, for which they wanted me to pay, which was very reasonable, and for which I was certainly willing to pay. However, the transition to this new server took a very long time. For six or nine months, VNN, was temporarily housed in a folder inside VNNF, off its main domain. They didn't charge me for that time, and I kept their banners up; at the same time, it was confusing for readers. When WR finally got both our sites where they were supposed to be, on the newer, faster server, three or four months ago, VNN began to pay monthly. And at that point, we took down the banner from our letters page. And from the Forum too, since some people were falsely inferring we were being supported by Panzerfaust.

2) Regarding Miller and the TAA paper, issue #1 was a rush job. That's not necessarily bad, as it got done, and is an accomplished fact -- all due to Miller's initiative. As you all know, criticism is easy; getting stuff done is hard. Issue #1a is much better edited, and the content complaints are minimal. Most or all of the people who complained about a single paragraph in one review are people who aren't interested in working on the tabloid, pretending their lack of interest or opposition is principled concern over material. They will be revealed for what they are in #2, which will be free of anything anyone could raise even unprincipled objections to.

3) The takeover of the forum was obviously coordinated among a number of WR members. I don't believe Craig Cobb was involved. He's welcome to be a moderator here, and if his status hasn't been restored, it will be soon.

4) How we appear to the jews... This is not a big concern of mine. This is a house of mirrors, as observed above. Where anonymity is the rule, that's pretty much inevitable. What the detractors either don't see or hope to prevent is that as time passes, the good people make themselves known, and become acquainted with the other good people, online and off. This is happening.

5) What happened was disappointing, in that it was a betrayal of trust. However, like most things, it cuts two ways. It makes a nice natural divergence between VNN and WR, thereby clarifying where both parties stand today. We will see where both parties are in five years. Leaving VNN and WR aside, it's clear to me that we need a sharp divide between underground and aboveground, and between fantasy and reality. Attempts to talk about who is more hard core with regard to what are little more than words in cyberspace is ridiculous. Draping legal activies in the verbal clothes of violent revolution is unwise. It leads one into delusionary assessments of one's importance and activities. If you want to go underground and destroy ZOG, do it. Given ZOG's activities, you're certainly justified. However, VNN will stick to the legal route, not least because I believe my greatest use to the revolution that I do believe eventually must come is through writing and speaking - at least at this point.

6) We must take our case to our local fellow citizens, both to attract supporters, increase general awareness, and grow our organizations and media. We've hardly begun to do this. Look how the ADL slunk away when faced with Kievsky and Medeiros. Make that happen a thousand times over
Getting out our paper by passing it out, looking in men's eyes -- again, much more valuable than speaking in a tiny ring, surrounded by cops, with copters overhead. WE ARE THE COMMUNITY. The folks who want to play with the swastikas, at best these are children, transfixed by shapes and colors; at worst they're deranged fetishists.

7) We must not be driven by subjective emotional factors - by the need to feel ourselves heroic or mighty, but by objective considerations of what needs to be done. Let's not get scared. There are hundreds of millions of whites. There's lots of time. There's only a handful million jews. The coloreds are dangerous manimal by manimal, but collectively they're headless the minute the jew unclips the leash. See NAACP.

[QUOTE=MOMUS]keystone is cocky now that the scab has disappeared, the one resulting from his encounter with the deathstar. That was fun, thanks for the reminder. :D Maybe I should fire the old thread up and see if keystone want to make another faggot attack. Whaddaya think?[/QUOTE]

Yep I'm sure most of these good readers are all in favor of attacking faggots.

But whadda you get out of it MOMUS ?.

Are you some kind of faggott masochist? :p