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It should be written hyphenated, not as two separate words.

National-Socialism.

I can't say that I disagree with anything that Rocky Suhayda says about history and ideology. He speaks very well.

I am skeptical however about running for office, especially on a third-party ticket, as the way to effect change in the United States. I think if we got a map of the United States and stuck pins in it everywhere that a self-proclaimed national-socialist ran for office and got anything that could be called a respectable number of votes (and the standard here is very low, if 10% is respectable), we would see certain areas of the country where all the pins are concentrated -- areas with large ethnic-German populations, I suspect.

I think that the potential for making an impression on the public mind, outside of running for office, is real. Telling the truth and getting elected to public office, however, are in practice mutually exclusive.

I also wonder what Rocky Suhayda was thinking when he chose the name American Nazi Party. That's the name that Rockwell chose for his organization's Phase One, when it was trying to get media attention by any means possible. It's not a serious name.

I am skeptical of any White Nationalist leader that continually criticizes other WNist leaders, never stops passing the hat for donations in a browbeating way, and queers! Really! Straighten out these three things, pardon the pun, and he would have a good gameplan.

I am skeptical of any White Nationalist leader that continually criticizes other WNist leaders, never stops passing the hat for donations in a browbeating way, and queers! Really! Straighten out these three things, pardon the pun, and he would have a good gameplan.
I thought Suhayda's criticisms were pretty good. He wasn't making anything up.

I didn't notice the alleged browbeating. Queers? What queers?

Re the podcast of 4 October 2011, don't you guys know about Kennewick Man and Spirit Cave Man?

I recommend watching the semi-documentary Ice-Age Columbus, which tells the story with just a few flaws.

I thought Suhayda's criticisms were pretty good. He wasn't making anything up.

I didn't notice the alleged browbeating. Queers? What queers?

One, WNist organizations can no longer act as competitors if they want to accomplish anything. Live and let live. Two, passing the hat with every communication? I'll continue to buy my plastic gadgets thank you. At least I'll have crap to show for my money. And three, The ANP is open for queer membership. Not very NS. Other than these three flaws, I believe Rock to be OK. Maybe he'll get his act together and show us all!

One, WNist organizations can no longer act as competitors if they want to accomplish anything. Live and let live. Two, passing the hat with every communication? I'll continue to buy my plastic gadgets thank you. At least I'll have crap to show for my money. And three, The ANP is open for queer membership. Not very NS. Other than these three flaws, I believe Rock to be OK. Maybe he'll get his act together and show us all!
I really don't think that Suhayda's criticisms were based on the notion that he was competing with NSM and needed to get donations that might go to them. He said basically that Schoep and the NSM did not seem to be serious about national-socialist ideology. The seems a legitimate criticism to me.

Likewise when I say that American Nazi Party is not a serious name, this is not because I want to denigrate Rocky Suhayda's efforts. That's just the way I see it.

I think anybody that tries to create a national-socialist organization, if he is serious about the ideology, is going to have to make a regular point of differentiating himself from the costume-wearers. Otherwise he is going to be pigeonholed with them and even attract such people.

Where do you get that Suhayda's group accepts queers?

Somehow I failed to notice the browbeating for donations that you mentioned. I am re-listening to the podcast from eleven days ago and it doesn't seem to be there. He says that if you are asking for an information packet, send at least one dollar. Your threshold for feeling browbeaten seems to be very low.

I think we should be measured and objective in our criiticisms but to adopt the principle of no-criticism toward the fellow White racialist is a really bad idea. Obviously you yourself don't practice it toward Suhayda.

Rocky made a mistake in discussing Ferdinand Porsche. While Porsche was born 1875 in Bohemia, which was later in Czechoslovakia, he was an ethnic German, not a Czech.

There are other examples to demonstrate that Hitler's anti-Slavism was not absolute. The best example is perhaps Arthur Seyss-Inquart, whose original surname was Zajtich, because of his Czech father. Seyss-Inquart really had Slav written all over his face. There was also a Czech actress who was prominent in the Third Reich, Lída Baarová, who was Goebbels' mistress. Then there was Gregor Schwartz-Bostunitsch, a writer partly of Russian extraction who worked for Alfred Rosenberg and became an SS-Standartenfuehrer in 1944. You can find positive statements from Hitler about Slavs here and there, as well as talk of Germanizing some Slavs.

Rocky made a mistake in discussing Ferdinand Porsche. While Porsche was born 1875 in Bohemia, which was later in Czechoslovakia, he was an ethnic German, not a Czech.

There are other examples to demonstrate that Hitler's anti-Slavism was not absolute. The best example is perhaps Arthur Seyss-Inquart, whose original surname was Zajtich, because of his Czech father. Seyss-Inquart really had Slav written all over his face. There was also a Czech actress who was prominent in the Third Reich, Lída Baarová, who was Goebbels' mistress. Then there was Gregor Schwartz-Bostunitsch, a writer partly of Russian extraction, who became an SS-Standartenfuehrer in 1944. You can find positive statements from Hitler about Slavs here and there, as well as talk of Germanizing some Slavs.

A great example of Adolf Hitler ameliorating his Mein Kampf comments on the Slavs was the creation of Slavic units under the aegis of the Waffen-SS, including, most notably, Russian and Ukranian divisions. One such Slavic recruit, Ivan ("John") Demjanjuk is being persecuted by the Jews for his services in the Waffen-SS to this very day. (He is now 91 years old.)

With regards to the Czechs, Hitler planned on dissolving the Czech nation after the war. Those Czechs deemed to be racially valuable (i.e., Aryan) were to be Germanized over time. Those racially unfit (that is, contaminated with Mongol or Hither Asiatic blood) were to be expelled to the East, out of the sphere of German control. They were not to be killed or enslaved.

In any event, time moves on: the world of today is not the world as it was when Hitler wrote Mein Kampf. Contemporary National-Socialism must be based on present-day racial realities, if it is not to be relegated to the status of a fossilized relic of the early 20th century.

I really don't think that Suhayda's criticisms were based on the notion that he was competing with NSM and needed to get donations that might go to them. He said basically that Schoep and the NSM did not seem to be serious about national-socialist ideology. The seems a legitimate criticism to me.

Likewise when I say that American Nazi Party is not a serious name, this is not because I want to denigrate Rocky Suhayda's efforts. That's just the way I see it.

I think anybody that tries to create a national-socialist organization, if he is serious about the ideology, is going to have to make a regular point of differentiating himself from the costume-wearers. Otherwise he is going to be pigeonholed with them and even attract such people.

Where do you get that Suhayda's group accepts queers?

Somehow I failed to notice the browbeating for donations that you mentioned. I am re-listening to the podcast from eleven days ago and it doesn't seem to be there. He says that if you are asking for an information packet, send at least one dollar. Your threshold for feeling browbeaten seems to be very low.

I think we should be measured and objective in our criiticisms but to adopt the principle of no-criticism toward the fellow White racialist is a really bad idea. Obviously you yourself don't practice it toward Suhayda.
First, now that Rock has a uniformed branch it will be a little more difficult to call others costume wearers.
Second, the panhandling routine gets old on every news release. Go to the ANP website and look under news. Maybe you are just more accustomed to it.
Third, on eNationalist, go to politics and ideology and look at the thread ANP stands by its don't ask don't tell position. I would have provided a link if there was one. Yes, they welcome queers.
Fourth, there is a difference between pointing out possible improvements to be made, I never said ANP was not worthwhile, and ridicule, calling uniformed NS clowns and costume wearers. Implying they are not worthwhile.

First, now that Rock has a uniformed branch it will be a little more difficult to call others costume wearers.
Second, the panhandling routine gets old on every news release. Go to the ANP website and look under news. Maybe you are just more accustomed to it.
Third, on eNationalist, go to politics and ideology and look at the thread ANP stands by its don't ask don't tell position. I would have provided a link if there was one. Yes, they welcome queers.

What about these uniforms? What are they? Matching polo shirts for security guys? If he has members in general wearing imitations of uniforms from the 1930s then he is making a mistake.

I am not accustomed to anything. I never took any interest in Suhayda's activities until this thread was posted and I listened to the podcast.

Of course if I wanted to find requests for donations, I could find them, but the podcast is not loaded with them. This is a thread about the podcast.

To say that they "welcome queers" seems to be a bit of a caricature. I heard Suhayda make a passing derogatory reference to queers in one podcast.

If you want me to read something from enationalist then you copy and paste it here yourself. I am not going on a wild goose chase to try to support your argument for you.

You really seem to be looking for things to criticize here. I guess he gored your ox at some point.

One, I have nothing against Rock. I am pointing out what I believe to be mistakes. Just as you believe the traditional uniforms are mistakes, just opinion. Two, Rather than cut and paste one post to support my opinion, not argument as I am not arguing with anyone it appears until now, I referred to the whole thread so that all sides get represented. If you had read the thread you would have known where my statements are coming from. Since you did not you just repeat your own opinion. And, three believe as you wish, don't bother looking up facts. Your opinion is as your rear orifice, you are entitled to it and it it only concerns you.

One, I have nothing against Rock. I am pointing out what I believe to be mistakes. Just as you believe the traditional uniforms are mistakes, just opinion. Two, Rather than cut and paste one post to support my opinion, not argument as I am not arguing with anyone it appears until now, I referred to the whole thread so that all sides get represented. If you had read the thread you would have known where my statements are coming from. Since you did not you just repeat your own opinion. And, three believe as you wish, don't bother looking up facts. Your opinion is as your rear orifice, you are entitled to it and it it only concerns you.
It seems to me that you're the one just repeating your opinion here.

I listened and relistened to the podcast and there was nothing of the nature that you say. There is no browbeating for donations in the podcasts that I heard. I don't consider "Send at least one dollar if you want an information pack [even though we ask for $5]" to be browbeating. Since I am not asking for an information pack, I feel no pressure whatsoever.

You are the one making the accusations here. I say to you what I say to every lazy slob that makes an accusation and then tells me to go find the evidence to support it, which is that it's your responsibility to support your own claims.

You are the one making the accusations here. I say to you what I say to every lazy slob that makes accusations and then tells me to go find the evidence to support it, which is that it's your responsibility to support your own claims.

Fuck off, Joy Boy. Take your own advice.

Fuck off, Joy Boy. Take your own advice.

And here's the last idiot that tried to tell me to do his research for him.

In Leonard Rouse's case the refusal to give a specific quote was based on the fact that no quote that he could have given would have supported his accusation (that I had "lied about" him). Refusal to be specific indicates either muddled thinking or the will to deceive.

It seems to me that you're the one just repeating your opinion here.

I listened and relistened to the podcast and there was nothing of the nature that you say. There is no browbeating for donations in the podcasts that I heard. I don't consider "Send at least one dollar if you want an information pack [even though we ask for $5]" to be browbeating. Since I am not asking for an information pack, I feel no pressure whatsoever.

You are the one making the accusations here. I say to you what I say to every lazy slob that makes an accusation and then tells me to go find the evidence to support it, which is that it's your responsibility to support your own claims.
My opinions are based in the reading I have done concerning the subject. Yours are pulled out of your @ss. That is the difference. I am not asking anyone to do MY research for me, it is done and the source documented. You on the other hand will not even type American Nazi Party into Google to educate yourself. And, God forbid looking on another website. By the way, you can't link to eNat, you have to go there in person and register to read and cutting and pasting one post would not be sufficient.
Do you need toilet help as well?

And here's the last idiot that tried to tell me to do his research for him.

In Leonard Rouse's case the refusal to give a specific quote was based on the fact that no quote that he could have given would have supported his accusation (that I had "lied about" him). Refusal to be specific indicates either muddled thinking or the will to deceive.

Another batch of lies.

You argue like a kike, Hadding. You project your own wanton untruth onto your opponent and hope the onlookers won't become wise to your shenanigans.

At best, it's a character defect--to a great enough degree you can never be trusted in anything.

All you had to do was say 'sorry,' at the beginning. But that's above you. Instead, you prefer to get in deeper and deeper.

My opinions are based in the reading I have done concerning the subject. Yours are pulled out of your @ss. That is the difference. I am not asking anyone to do MY research for me, it is done and the source documented. You on the other hand will not even type American Nazi Party into Google to educate yourself. And, God forbid looking on another website. By the way, you can't link to eNat, you have to go there in person and register to read and cutting and pasting one post would not be sufficient.
Do you need toilet help as well?

Aha, so you admit that you cannot produce a quote to support your accusation.

I suppose that cutting and pasting two or three quotes so that you can explain your interpretation of them would be just too much.

Actually my opinion is based on listening to the podcasts. Those didn't come out of my ass.

Do you realize how much stuff comes up if you search "American Nazi Party" on Google? A lot. I am supposed to sort through all that to try to figure out what your beef with Suhayda is? No thanks.

All you had to do was say 'sorry,' at the beginning. But that's above you. Instead, you prefer to get in deeper and deeper.

Everything that I've said in regard to you is accurate and I have a smile on my face.

You realize of course that you only came into this thread to pick a fight with me, right? It should be obvious to everybody. So who is being irrational and getting "deeper and deeper"?

Aha, so you admit that you cannot produce a quote to support your accusation.

I suppose that cutting and pasting two or three quotes so that you can explain your interpretation of them would be just too much.

Actually my opinion is based on listening to the podcasts. Those didn't come out of my ass.

Do you realize how much stuff comes up if you search "American Nazi Party" on Google? A lot. I am supposed to sort through all that to try to figure out what your beef with Suhayda is? No thanks.
How the hell did you manage to turn that around? You need to read the whole thread to get the full information, the opposite of pasting one post to support an argument. Two, I HAVE NO GRIPE WITH SUHAYDA, there are things he does that are just not in line with the good of the movement or organizing his own party. And last, why in the hell are you too much of a lazy sh!t@ss to go his website and see for yourself, don't take my word, look it up! Yes, having an opinion after a couple of podcast and nothing else is pulling it out of your uninformed @ss! :rofl

How the hell did you manage to turn that around? You need to read the whole thread to get the full information, the opposite of pasting one post to support an argument. Two, I HAVE NO GRIPE WITH SUHAYDA, there are things he does that are just not in line with the good of the movement or organizing his own party. And last, why in the hell are you too much of a lazy sh!t@ss to go his website and see for yourself, don't take my word, look it up! Yes, having an opinion after a couple of podcast and nothing else is pulling it out of your uninformed @ss! :rofl

I looked at Suhayda's site yesterday during the live podcast. He actually went to the trouble of addressing your nitpicking. http://www.anp14.com/news/index.php

I don't believe that you have no gripe. You have been griping nonstop.

I looked at Suhayda's site yesterday during the live podcast. He actually went to the trouble of addressing your nitpicking. http://www.anp14.com/news/index.php

I don't believe that you have no gripe. You have been griping nonstop.
I have been going back and forth with you if that is what you mean by griping, but, no I have nothing against Rock.
That being said, I posted on the information I had been reading for some time and haven't been to ANP's site recently. Your link to Rock in his own words is the opposite of what I had been led to believe. I stand corrected and my apologies to Rocky and the ANP. He seems to be right on mark these days. I will have start reading his bulletins again.