View Full Version : Dream Theater: YAWWWNNNN....
N.B. Forrest
December 18th, 2004, 07:19 PM
For the last few years, I've read a lot of internet praise for Dream Theater; how hot their guitarist John Petrucci is, etc. So I bought their live dvd: what a fucking letdown. The screeching "singer" really sucks the Big One, and Petrucci - while certainly a skilled player - sure as hell didn't blow me away by any means. I kept waiting for him to really cut loose and show me what all the fuss is about, but apart from a few good moments of sweep-picking, it was a bore.
But the worst part is the generic quality of the tunes themselves: no great hooks, and therefore totally forgetable.
This is in stark contrast to the many hours of musical enjoyment I've already gotten from the Led Zeppelin DVD: Pagey may have made far more mistakes than a good technician like Petrucci, but his songs are infinitely superior - and as much as I love hot pickers, that's the main thing by far.
Alex Linder
December 18th, 2004, 08:42 PM
For the last few years, I've read a lot of internet praise for Dream Theater; how hot their guitarist John Petrucci is, etc. So I bought their live dvd: what a fucking letdown. The screeching "singer" really sucks the Big One, and Petrucci - while certainly a skilled player - sure as hell didn't blow me away by any means. I kept waiting for him to really cut loose and show me what all the fuss is about, but apart from a few good moments of sweep-picking, it was a bore.
But the worst part is the generic quality of the tunes themselves: no great hooks, and therefore totally forgetable.
This is in stark contrast to the many hours of musical enjoyment I've already gotten from the Led Zeppelin DVD: Pagey may have made far more mistakes than a good technician like Petrucci, but his songs are infinitely superior - and as much as I love hot pickers, that's the main thing by far.
A player piano plays correctly...every single time. Yet something seems missing.
N.B. Forrest
December 19th, 2004, 06:07 PM
Right: no amount of dexterity can compensate for a total lack of feeling. Petrucci might as well be an accomplished typist - like the wildly-overrated Joe Satriani.
Of course, the truly elite players combine both feeling and fantastic technique: I just heard the late fingerpicker Lenny Breau for the first time the other day - my God, what an absolute MONSTER the man was! A freak-genius if ever there was one. A good fingerpicker can play 2 parts smoothly - but Breau could play 3: the melody on the high strings, chords in the middle, and a walking bass line. Simply incredible. And always with the most exquisite taste & discernment. Even the mighty Chet Atkins said Breau was the greatest player the world had ever seen, and I believe it.
Another unknown genius for the ages was Danny Gatton: Jazz, rock, country, you name it - he could play any style with jaw-dropping brilliance. I've got a tape of him on Austin City Limits - mindblowing. I've been copping licks for the last few days.
These are the musical masters who should be world famous and heaped with riches - rather than crotch-grabbin' bling-bling coons and filthy, no-talent cunts like Mudonna & Shitney.
Why does the cream sink into poverty-stricken oblivion while the scum floats on top? Simple: culture-destroying music industry kikes like Loathesome Murray.
DJ_Zarathustra
December 20th, 2004, 07:48 PM
Why does the cream sink into poverty-stricken oblivion while the scum floats on top? Simple: culture-destroying music industry kikes like Loathesome Murray.
My parents have told me that radio stations in the 40s and early 50s regularly mixed classical pieces with popular songs, on the same program. Of course, the "pop" music of those days was more complex and melodic than that of today.
I'm sure if there was a sudden shift in the public taste, and people started clamoring for Lenny Breau-style instrumentals, Rothstein and Company would have no problem selling it to them, being the hawk-nosed...excuse me, hard-nosed businessmen they are.
N.B. Forrest
December 22nd, 2004, 12:59 AM
I'm sure if there was a sudden shift in the public taste, and people started clamoring for Lenny Breau-style instrumentals, Rothstein and Company would have no problem selling it to them, being the hawk-nosed...excuse me, hard-nosed businessmen they are.
Kikes don't respond to the public taste, they manufacture it. Clean family movies are the biggest ticket-sellers by far, but the hebes still put out many R-rated blood & sex flicks for every G-rated one. Why? Because their biggest motivating passion isn't raking in the wampum, it's jewing the culture.
As for music, ignorant kids only know what they see on MurrayTV and hear on the radio; they don't know who the hell Breau or Gatton were, or what a real musician is.
T. Kadijevic
January 21st, 2005, 07:49 AM
I'm a big Dream Theatre fan....well more their earlier stuff like "Images & Words"...thats a great album. But I'll agree in the more recent albums they start to get too technical and lack that feeling. I don't think Petrucci is intended to be a frontman, because the band works better as a unit and feed off of each other....their gook bassist is good too!
My favourite guitarist is Eddie Van Halen.
Now here is a question, why is Jimi Hendrix always praised as the greatest guitar player or the face of rock 'n roll? He was alright, but there is much better out there. I guess I didn't catch the hype? :confused:
N.B. Forrest
January 21st, 2005, 07:36 PM
A memorable line.
What do you think of Junior Brown?
A top-notch player & singer, judging from his once-in-a-blue-moon teevee appearances over the years. Which of course means we don't get to see videos of him displaying his brilliance on CMT, but non-stop shit like Big & Rich instead.
Absolutely. Jimmy Page was a slob, I've heard he wasn't big on practicing even before he started chasing the dragon and broke his finger, but what a composer and arranger. The test of this is when you hear someone truly technically proficient play his music, you hear the sublime and explosive energy, the complexity, the hooks. Keystone used to bitch about how he "stole" nigger music. Wrong. Did Manfred Mann "steal" Springsteen's dogshit composition of blinded by the light or turn it into actual music? It was different music by the time Page was done with it. Zeppelin put the energy into blues and created a new genre. And their acoustic and country catalogue, their tonal N African music (Dancing Days et al) was beyond anything delta niggers accomplished.
Right on all counts. Page is a musical genius who just wasn't gifted with dexterity. The ideal classic hard rock guitarist would have Jimmy's compositional brilliance and Jeff Beck's skill.
N.B. Forrest
January 21st, 2005, 07:47 PM
My favourite guitarist is Eddie Van Halen.
I used to idolize Van Halen: I remember how my jaw hit the floor the first time I heard Eruption. Then he dumped jew Roth and hired Hagar, and his playing instantly went into the shitter and never emerged again.
Now here is a question, why is Jimi Hendrix always praised as the greatest guitar player or the face of rock 'n roll? He was alright, but there is much better out there. I guess I didn't catch the hype? :confused:
Part of the reason is that many of his contemporaries who sing his praises are nigger lovers. And calling him the greatest is a knee-jerk reaction of that sort. But to give credit where it's due, he may have been the best player of his era (although I generally prefer Beck). His version of All Along the Watchtower is one of the greatest rock songs of all time.
Of course, since his death there have been innumerable White players who could blow him right off the stage.
King_Tiger
January 21st, 2005, 08:23 PM
What do you guys think of the Grateful Dead? I think Garcia was a half-jew, but their music is very catchy.
DJ_Zarathustra
January 21st, 2005, 08:43 PM
Part of the reason is that many of his contemporaries who sing his praises are nigger lovers. And calling him the greatest is a knee-jerk reaction of that sort.
It's all subjective, or, as a college friend of mine told me many years ago, "You can't quantify that." Hendrix WAS innovative in his use of electronics, and certain playing techniques such as severe abuse of the guitar's vibrato tailpiece. But to speak of someone as the "greatest" musician on a particular instrument is meaningless. A knee-jerk reaction, as you say. I read an article which I think was written by Noel Redding, in which he stated that Hendrix was asked--nay, commanded--to do a benefit concert for the Black Panthers and he refused.
Most young metal guitarists are aware of Hendrix, but few of them recognize the name Ritchie Blackmore. I find that odd, since Blackmore's classically-influenced style would seem the logical predecessor to Eddie Van Halen and his many imitators. Hendrix's playing was essentially speeded-up and electronically treated blues, whereas Blackmore used the blues as a jumping-off point, and went into uncharted territory with his Bach arpeggios and such. A very interesting player who is rarely mentioned as an influence.
Another guitarist of the same era who is almost unknown today is Holland's Jan Akkerman. His solo on Focus's "Hocus Pocus", is incredible for its combination of speed and emotion--almost freakish by the standards of that time. In fact, the whole song is one of the most bizarre things you will ever hear. Other races may imitate, but only whites could have conceived something like that.
Deus Vult
January 22nd, 2005, 11:05 PM
I've got a couple Dream Theater CDs, and generally like their music, but will agree with N.B. Forrest that Petrucci at times hasn't much to say, beyond "blrlbrlbrlbrlbrlbrblr..." In the late 80's, so many young guitarists did the speed and arpeggio sweep thing, it became passe'.
Ed Van Halen was once my favorite, too. Then Randy Rhoads, then players like Vai, Lynch and Matthias Jabs. Someone mentioned Blackmore, and the influence he SHOULD have had on young guitarists. Blackmore's stuff is always worth rediscovering. He had fierce chops! Blackmore was a big influence on Yngwie Malmsteen, who is a very hot player.
I don't go to many concerts these days. However, in the last couple years I have seen some great guitarists who really impressed: Steve Morse (playing with Deep Purple) and Doug Aldrich (playing with Whitesnake). Hired guns, but very impressive.
N.B. Forrest
January 23rd, 2005, 02:54 AM
George Lynch is an excellent player (even Malmsteen says so). His solo on Dokken's Kiss of Death is magnificent. Too bad the rest of that band sucked.
revoltingslave
January 23rd, 2005, 02:43 PM
Dream Theater is a band that makes you excited to play music. They are all very talented musicians for sure. However, I'm not a particularly big fan of their songs, just their approach to music. My drum set came with an instructional video featuring Mike Portnoy.
Adamic Man
January 25th, 2005, 09:21 PM
FWIW, drummer Mike Portnoy = jew.
Current (Jordan Rudess) and former (Derek Sherinian) keyboardists definitely look jewish.
First impression was that of exciting progressive metal. Repeated listenings and absorption of the lyrics left me quite depressed. I don't like the emotional impact and feeling of hopelessness their music gives me. There are other progressive metal bands I like that don't have this effect upon me...
-AM
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