I’ve been reading a lot of articles about the coming doom of the US economy. Times will be hard, but other nations have gone through it, and people survive. Lets say the USA goes bankrupt. Ok, we will not be able to buy Plasma HDTV sets, or Electronic shavers, CD players, MP3’s, Video games, or see a movie for the next 10 to 20 years… More the half the work force will lose their jobs, and all the elderly and disabled people will lose there social security checks. Welfare will be no more. Mexicans might start going back home to stay for good. I doubt people will be evicted from their homes, because we are talking about 150 million people in distress, and the social order will be better served if they stay were they are. There will still be opportunities to make money. People will always have needs, and they will be met at the market place. We may not be able to purchase items on the foreign markets, but our domestic production will take off. There is safety in numbers and the extended family will make a come back. Americans will have to work hard, and when they come home the entertainment of the evening will be baby making. I don’t fear an economic melt down. I see it as a great opertunity for our people to bounce back stronger then ever.

I don't think Bush & Co. care about what's good for the social order, much less the US military. IMHO, they'll throw people out on the streets without a second thought.

Cars are designed to break and require expensive repairs, appliances are designed to fail within 5 years, our agricultural system is set up to grow the population to vast size then starve billions.

No, I don't think we can count on the economic collapse being easy or non-violient. This social order is totally based on lots of money, and withuot it, people will be at each other's throats.

Rob

well we cant wait for the gotterdamerung. we have to make our own luck.

people have been hoping the system would collapse for a long time. it has proven more durable than many expected. we had better have a plan to survive even if the system doesnt collapse wouldnt you all agree?

The interstate highway system will look like a new "trail of tears" when americans are caught with their pants down and mexicans flood out of the southwest towards the east to obtain food from undefended farmers/farms.

Maybe not. When the economy goes south so may the greazers as well. They are still outnumbered (especially in rural Kwa) and lack any organization. Back to Mexico might be an increasingly attractive option as things get worse, jobs get scarce, and the natives are restless and hurting too.

The interstate highway system will look like a new "trail of tears" when americans are caught with their pants down and mexicans flood out of the southwest towards the east to obtain food from undefended farmers/farms.

They are still outnumbered (especially in rural Kwa) and lack any organization.

You've got that the other way around.

Mexican street gangs are well organized, with natural leaders rising to the top through a system of animal like violence amongst themselves right now.

There are roughly 200,000 gang members in Los Angeles alone. Thats more than the US military has in Iraq.

White americans are the ones who lack any organization.

in my little corner of the world the beaners are isolated in one part of town and there are more than a few cops would love to go clean em out the old fashioned way but of course that would not be lawful.

but, if the SHF and they go crazy, we'uns out here'n flyover knows how to do crowd control effective-like.

but we cant hope for such eventualities, we have to try to work within the system for survival because the system has been far more flexible and far more resilient than expected. all this revolutionary stuff doesnt amount to a hill of beans because Whites are not disorderly by nature unlike jews and so forth. without hunger, no revolution. so if there is no hunger, no revolution, and if we cant survive without revolution...?

so it comes down to getting off our cans and organizing within the opportunities as they exist. taking advantage of our latitude while it lasts. better organized and better trained today means better organized and better trained tomorrow if the SHF, anways........

The greazers I see the most of are fresh across the river wetbacks, ignorant peasants from the jungles and deserts. They speak no English,, have no skills, and have little or no organization.
When the Apache, Geronimo boasted of his numerous killings he would add, " but I don't count mexicans, we kill them with rocks." Those are what swarm the country.
What you see are the 2nd and 3rd generation illegals grown cocky. That is an urban problem more akin to the teeming masses of violence-prone urban negroes; A knottier issue. Perhaps more your problem than mine.

You've got that the other way around.

Mexican street gangs are well organized, with natural leaders rising to the top through a system of animal like violence amongst themselves right now.

There are roughly 200,000 gang members in Los Angeles alone. Thats more than the US military has in Iraq.

White americans are the ones who lack any organization.

California has experienced street gang problems for more than 70 years. Professionals who work with Hispanic street gangs should take the time to examine street gang history. Many current gang activities and rivalries can be traced back to the origins of specific gangs. One gang which particularly warrants study is the 18th Street gang. Because of its growth and recruitment patterns from the 1960s until present, the 18th Street gang is one of the largest, most well-known Hispanic street gangs in the nation.

18th Street has extended its reach well beyond the Los Angeles area, and expanded into many other states, Mexico, and Canada during the 1990s. Law enforcement officers have encountered 18th Street members in central and northern California, Alaska, Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Nevada, Arizona, Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, Texas, Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois, Georgia, and on Native American lands. The membership of 18th Street in California alone is estimated by law enforcement officers at more than 30,000. Intelligence information indicates that there may be as many as 30 different subsets/cliques of 18th Street in California. This huge membership is the result of a massive 18th Street recruitment program in the early 1990s, which also resulted in the expansion of 18th Street to many western and Midwestern states.

HISTORY
The 18th Street gang was formed in the 1960s. According to Sergeant Richard Valdemar, of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, the 18th Street gang had its origins in racial prejudice. During the 1960s, the Clanton Street gang, a well-established Hispanic street gang, was in its second generation. Youth in the local neighborhood wanted to join the gang, but the membership of Clanton Street was limited to those youth who were American citizens from a pure Hispanic background. Youth who were undocumented immigrants or of mixed ancestry were not allowed to join the gang. Although turned away by Clanton Street, these juveniles still participated in criminal activities. Like many young juvenile offenders, they were arrested and sent to juvenile detention facilities. While in these facilities, their membership to Clanton Street was denied. As a result, these youth from the Clanton Street neighborhood formed their own gang. A young man, nicknamed "Glover," was in a detention facility, and started to recruit mixed-race youth to form a gang. These youth were the original members of 18th Street. According to Sergeant Valdemar, the young man who started the Clanton Street Throw-aways lived on 18th Street, just four blocks away from the Clanton Street gang. The new gang adopted the name of his street. This street was located an area now known as the Rampart section of Los Angeles.

The 18th Street gang was the first Hispanic gang to break the racial membership barrier. This willingness to step across racial lines allowed rapid and unchecked growth in the gang's membership, which was largely composed of immigrants and multi-racial youths. 18th Street also recruited heavily from the populations of illegal immigrants entering the United States from Mexico and South/Central America. Although primarily composed of Hispanics, some cliques of 18th Street have recruited African Americans, Asians, Caucasians, and Native Americans. Some tagger crews who operated within 18th Street territory were also actively recruited, but only if the crews had a reputation for violence. For example, West Side 18th Street "jumped in" 50 members of a tagger crew known as KWS, Kings With Style. KWS members were known by law enforcement to be involved in robbery, assaults, drive-by shootings, and murder.

Uniquely, the 18th Street gang members, though primarily turf-oriented, also travel to other areas and states for membership recruitment and illegal activities. This tendency to travel explains 18th Street's wide-scale presence in many different states. However, while 18th Street members have dispersed the gang through relocation and targeted recruitment, the overall research on gangs still supports the idea that most gangs are indigenous to their areas of origination. Very few gangs send members out of state to recruit new members and to establish new cliques or sets of their gang. The 18th Street gang was the first Hispanic street gang to do this. Law enforcement intelligence supports the assumption that some of these recruits have been sent out with a specific purpose. At one time, intelligence indicated that "tagger crews" that were jumped in to 18th Street became "tax" collectors, enforcers, and narcotics distributors.

CRIMINAL ACTIVITY
Like most gangs, 18th Street is involved in many types of criminal activities, including auto theft, carjacking, drive-by shootings, drug sales, arms trafficking, extortion, rape, murder for hire, and murder. National and international drug trafficking seems to be 18th Street's main criminal activity. Intelligence indicates that 18th street has established ties with the Mexican and Columbian drug cartels, which has impacted the Southwest border states in particular. Because of the large amount of drugs which 18th Street distributes and sells, the gang also has ties to the Mexican Mafia prison gang and many black street gangs. The connection between 18th Street and drug activity appears strong. Members 18th Street may also conceal their membership status, which may make prosecuting 18th Street drug cases more difficult. This gang also has been known to market "rock" cocaine, marijuana, tar heroin, and methamphetamine. As the methamphetamine market continues to expand across the United States, it can be expected that 18th Street's street presence will similarly expand, leading to encounters with 18th Street in areas of the U.S. which have not previously seen this gang.

Tax collection is another area of criminal activity where 18th Street is well established. Typically, in an area that is claimed as territory by 18th Street, gang members will collect a tax from any business: legitimate or criminal. The potential taxpayers include street vendors, shop owners, prostitutes, and drug dealers, as well as the businesses which exist in the neighborhood. Members of 18th Street then threaten to kill any individual who refuses to pay the tax. In 1994 alone, the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office prosecuted 30 murders that were the result of hits made by 18th Street gang members for failure to pay taxes.

CHARACTERISTICS
Members of 18th Street frequently adorn their bodies with tattoos. The most common tattoo is that of the number 18 (XVIII). The tattoos can be located anywhere on the body, and some members will cover their entire body with 18th Street tattoos, including placing an 18 on their foreheads or above their eyebrows. The number "666" can also be used to represent 18th Street. The tattoos also might indicate the clique of 18th Street to which the individual belongs.

18th Street gang members wear many types of clothing. The colors most often seen are brown or black pants and a white T-shirt. Some 18th Street gang members also wear clothing from professional sports teams. The presence of 18th Street in a new community is usually discovered when graffiti appears. 18th Street uses graffiti to mark their turf, in the same manner used by most traditional Hispanic street gangs.

TRENDS
Some cliques of 18th Street have access to their own arsenal of weapons. Therefore, many law enforcement officers consider 18th Street gang members to be armed and dangerous during every encounter. Some 18th Street gang members in Los Angeles have access to automatic weapons, including Tech 9s, Mac 10s, Mac 11s, and AK-47s. It is common for 18th Street gang members to be armed with .25 and .380 caliber handguns, so caution should be used during field contacts. The 18th Street gang, as a whole, has a reputation for being extremely violent and ruthless. The possession and use of firearms only adds to this reputation.

Some cliques of 18th Street seem to be evolving to a higher level of sophistication and organization. This is probably due to connections the gang has maintained with the Mexican and Columbian drug cartels. Law enforcement projections and intelligence indicate that 18th Street gang membership will continue to grow, especially outside of California as new drug markets are established. The gang's propensity for violence is also expected to increase.

18th Street is often referred to as the "Children's Army" due to its recruitment of elementary and middle-school aged youth. The gang specializes in early indoctrination to the rules of the gang with these young members, who are told that leaving the gang will result in their death or the deaths of their loved ones. Thus, the gang's influence on its members is profound. One mother, during interviews with criminal justice professionals working with her young son, stated: "A boss from 18th Street calls my son and tells him what to do." Her son, a juvenile, had tattooed the number 18 on his forehead. She further stated: "Los Angeles gang members are not like [other] gang members. [The Los Angeles gang members] are more ruthless, commit more murders, deal more drugs." Her son told his probation officer: "I cannot avoid associations with other 18th Street gang members because they call me all the time, and if I don't go with them, they will say I am a ranker. There are rules you have to follow. There is only one way out, and that's in a body bag."

The US economy may collapse, but the drug trade that fuels the non-white street gangs will continue uninterrupted.

In a sane universe the Cal. National Guard would be going after those fucks instead of "insurgents" on the other side of the planet. Give East LA a thorough Fallujafication.

Now just imagine that the Chinese (with their new industrial base) step in and supply these Mexican street gangs with knock-off automatic rifles that the US does not produce enough of for the general public.

Are we safe?

You can imagine all sorts of things, but no, of course, you're not safe. I personally have over a thousand miles between that particular gang and myself.... so I'm safer than you. If the greaser gangbangers in Dallas get armed by China then we really are in deep shit. But I can put about another 150 miles of target opportunities between them and me and my acreage in East TX.

All of this xymphora piece is worth reading but check this part; I'm not sure about the "five years." More pessimistic here.

(Excerpt slightly edited for Civil Forum inclusion.)

http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2004/12/israels-new-mack-daddy.html

...Every single aspect of what the Israelis do can only be understood in the light of their massive project (which I'll call the 'Project'), which may take fifty or a hundred years, to create Greater Israel in a swath across the Middle East from the Nile to the Euphrates. The coalition of Likud and Labour just clarifies that there is really no democracy in Israel, just an insane government force committed to this one goal. The hundred thousand or so dead Iraqis in the Israeli-inspired attack on Iraq are just a down payment on the millions of people who are going to have to die in the Middle East and elsewhere before Greater Israel is finished. You can't kill that many people, and cause that much disruption and destruction, without having the whole world furious with you. It is therefore imperative to have the biggest motherf*ker on the block to watch your back, and the United States is that motherf*ker. It would be impossible for the Israelis to treat the Palestinians the criminal way they do without the aiding and abetting of the United States, and furthering the Project would be impossible without similar help.



Problem. The United States is a giant turd circling the toilet bowl, and George Bush is flushing as fast as he can. It's funny how empires at crucial junctures in their histories sometimes find themselves with inspired leaders, and sometimes find themselves with chimps, and the United States has lucked out with a chimp. The combination of religious nuttiness, disdain for the environment, crazy class-warfare tax policy, and ruinous wars would be bad enough, but the real problem is economic, and Bush's complete disinterest in even addressing the debilitating problem of the two massive deficits, budget and trade, which are bound to become progressively worse....

The United States is a giant turd circling the toilet bowl, and George Bush is flushing as fast as he can.

I dont think anyone, save for Shakespeare himself, could have put it quite so eloquently.

The mexican who work the apple orchards in Washington and controlled by the mexican mafia. They are told which stores they can shop at, and when they can go into town by the mob. Can you believe this is happening in the USA and no one talks about it on TV. It is slave labor.

LOL, the idea of Mexican gangs doing much without White leadership is silly. The Indios and mestizos and zambos in central america amount to usually 90% of the population under the White Hispanics, sometimes more, and life goes on. Without White leadership, they cant do squat. The scary thing is that they have White blood mixed in which then constitutes their leadership stratum. You can see this with organizations like Mecha even. Not the little brown campesinos at the top usually, no? Look at Vicente Fox.

That is the reality of Mexico and many other places and the idea that the US will collapse because of too many Mexicans does not account for the reality of life south of the border. White Hispanics often live like kings on the backs of their colored slave labor. I think Whites in the USA tend to think that they may be able to finagle the same kind of deal here. Maybe that is why "lemmings" go along with the invasion; maybe the average lemming thinks it's good for him. Perhaps we need to assail the underlying beliefs that keep Whites from protesting the invasion?

Like I said. We better get a better plan for taking our land back than waiting for the Collapse.

LOL, the idea of Mexican gangs doing much without White leadership is silly. The Indios and mestizos and zambos in central america amount to usually 90% of the population under the White Hispanics, sometimes more, and life goes on. Without White leadership, they cant do squat. The scary thing is that they have White blood mixed in which then constitutes their leadership stratum. You can see this with organizations like Mecha even. Not the little brown campesinos at the top usually, no? Look at Vicente Fox.


I fail to see how you can flippantly dismiss Mexican gangs as being impotant.

Organizations such as La Eme do have Hispanic leadership rather than the Mestizo-"leaning more toward Indio" types. Certainly these "more hispanic" but still mestizo mexicans are no allies of Northern European "Anglo's" as they call us.

China could easily hold the US down as a world power by supplying these mestizo gangs with weaponry, as I have already heard rumors of.

Certainly, whites are not nearly as organized as these seemingly rag tag mestizoes.

We have white domesticated cattle Vs. Mestizo jackles.

The jackles may be weak and ugly, but the cattle are no match unless the farmer is protecting them, and our head farmer in washington is sympathetic to the jackles.

The average IQ for a Mexican-American is about 86 with a wide standard deviation – I’ve read 12 to 17 points. There are plenty of little brown Mexicans with IQ’s at least a little over 100. Common experience will show you that many Mexicans run businesses. And no! These businesses are not run by white overseers. My guess is that the average Mexican is quite capable of concerted, organized, and focused mayhem. Typically the Mexicans I meet that are supervising and managing, racially are only slightly elevated over the little brown mud-monkeys. They are not tall and European.

The Trades in Denver are completely run by Mexicans gangs – Completely. And again, the gangs are Mexican from top to bottom. No Jewish or White overseers. No tall Vincente Foxes.

The idea that the little brown sub-humans can’t be a threat is wishful thinking. Sorry. I'd LOL, but there is nothing to laugh about.

Enkidu

No need for LOLs at all, nobody here thinks the brown flood is funny. Of course they are lethal as individuals and a serious threat taken collectively. And we, the people have no voice to protest the mudslide and no will to resist it.
Still, we are White men and we are yet many. When the SHTF those fuckers won't have the resources to resist a grass-roots eviction process. What remains of local law enforcement in every effected county will prioritize the removal of non-English speaking residents; posse comitatus will rule.
As for LA and such places, it may take years, and it might just end in a righteous Fallujification of certain barrios.

"Remember the Alamo!"
Bring the Beaners on!!!!!!!! (http://www.dailyfoo.com/?i=2259)

"Remember the Alamo!"
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That was fuckin awesome!

I fail to see how you can flippantly dismiss Mexican gangs as being impotant.

Organizations such as La Eme do have Hispanic leadership rather than the Mestizo-"leaning more toward Indio" types. Certainly these "more hispanic" but still mestizo mexicans are no allies of Northern European "Anglo's" as they call us.

China could easily hold the US down as a world power by supplying these mestizo gangs with weaponry, as I have already heard rumors of.

Certainly, whites are not nearly as organized as these seemingly rag tag mestizoes.

We have white domesticated cattle Vs. Mestizo jackles.

The jackles may be weak and ugly, but the cattle are no match unless the farmer is protecting them, and our head farmer in washington is sympathetic to the jackles.

Well, firstly, you are in their backyard and I am in the midwest. So local issues affect one's perspective.

Secondly, your point about their leadership is well taken.

Thirdly, it would be possible for the Chinks to supply them via Mexico, just by using existing drug smuggling channels. Or even just straight into the port of LA. But to what end? Chinks have little to gain by this. This is not Vietnam, we are all the way on the other side of the ocean and if anything the Chinks are looking down the road twenty years when they can buy and sell us like the Japs used to do.

Realistically, Chinks may be the one thing that helps keep order in California.

Ironically, I dont think that order in California is good for WHites long term. Long term, we need to consolidate geographically into enclaves and disorder helps accelerate that process.

LMAO

That was fuckin awesome!I thought so too. I didn't notice any minorities, did you?