The message of increased freedoms in America is an attractive one, one that certainly has stoked the egos and passion of most patriotic Americans. On this board alone, I would wager that the Ron Paul bug has 90% of our aging boomers who remember the mom and pop Amerikwa without the excessive negro garnish.

However, since the conception of this board, one thing has remained, that is, that Americans are 1) children, or function on the level of children, 2) easily impressed by the Jewish controlled media and 3) absolutely fucking stunned when it comes to politics. It is hardly surprising that much of the large, low-brow, crass and stupid white voter base that in 2008 beat the tune to the national drum for that pock-marked nigger Obama have now moved into the Paul camp.

Who would think that so-called "White Nationalists" would ever stand shoulder to shoulder with these degenerate ingrates?

Here though, in 2012, the democratic powers that be in the United States are on a sudden upsurge of vindication by the ascent of Ron Paul, an old doctor and congressman who has consistently voted personally for a quasi-libertarian with plenty of conservative seasoning. The vindication here is trumpeted so hard by so-called "White Nationalists" that the mind boggles to see why they ever lost faith in the electorate to begin with. If Paul can get this close to victory, then surely one day we can vote our ways out of this mess?

Well, the sour fact is that you cannot, America. The glossy eyed idealism that I see towards this man is the kind of passion you should be putting towards consolidating WN power in your community to start a real revolution, and not the pussy-footed kind with hugs and prayers. The kind where the molotov-cocktail trumps the hollow card with the pre-stamped box with some anti-white piece of shit's name beside it.

Ron Paul represents a kind of American renaissance, but this renaissance will be one that combines the stench of cultural Marxism while giving your much loved banks unfettered and uncontrolled powers in their own business. Sure, the Fed *might* be audited, American dumbasses serving as Jewish human shields *might* come home, but what will he do for whites in America? Do you honestly believe that Ron Paul has even a modicum of gumption to take on the massive anti-hate laws that prevail in your country? Do you think that the issues that existentially threaten our race and progeny can even be decided by speeches and majority decisions, and not iron and blood? Do you honestly believe Ron Paul has a shred of compassion for the white race?

Here is Ron Paul's compassion, and here is your champion.

The Compassion of Dr. Ron Paul - YouTube

The message of increased freedoms in America is an attractive one, one that certainly has stoked the egos and passion of most patriotic Americans. On this board alone, I would wager that the Ron Paul bug has 90% of our aging boomers who remember the mom and pop Amerikwa without the excessive negro garnish.I agree with that assessment of my compadres, Thomas.
What most of them don't seem to understand is that the bird has flown and there's no going back.
The best RP can do is maybe straighten up the living room a little bit and make it somewhat presentable for the occasional passing guest.
But the rest of the house is too far gone with termite damage to salvage.

Who would think that so-called "White Nationalists" would ever stand shoulder to shoulder with these degenerate ingrates?

Most of us are not, at least I hope that is the case.

We also went through the same thing when Pat Buchanan ran for president for the Reform party. Dr. Pierce wrote two articles, Elites vs. Masses, and Hypocrisy and Democracy outlining how we should use candidates like Ron Paul to our benefit. Last week, I started a thread,Dr. William Pierce, Pat Buchanan, and Ron Paul..... (http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=137656), that few bothered to read and comment on.

The best that Ron Paul will do for people like us is to get the federal government out of our lives, that is the upside. The downside is that we will have to fight against Affirmative Action, civil rights laws, and fair housing laws at the state level. But not all states will be alike. One can expect states like California continuing down their road to multicultural hell, however, states like Tennessee will be given the opportunity to start changing things for the better.

The problem I suppose would then be that you are assuming that an elected leader in Paul's hypothetical position would actually be able to deliver any such promises beyond that of recalling American soldiers to the United States. It seems to me that any such legislation needs to be drafted by and sifted through the Continental Congress before approval and implementation. How exactly could Paul sweep his messianic hand and undo legislation that the Congress has approved for decades and most likely have no desire to renege on the path America is moving towards?

I guess according to Prof. Thomas, Newt, Santorum, Perry and the other losers besides RP should just be picked for runners up and hopefully win the election.

Why not? They are indocrinated into the system pretty well and what harm could they possibly do that isn't already done? Right Prof. Thomas?

But then again no candidate is perfect.

"Sure, the Fed *might* be audited"

By the way, Prof. Thomas, the fed was audited. Spearheaded by RP.

I guess according to Prof. Thomas, Newt, Santorum, Perry and the other losers besides RP should just be picked for runners up and hopefully win the election.

Why not? They are indocrinated into the system pretty well and what harm could they possibly do that isn't already done? Right Prof. Thomas?

But then again no candidate is perfect.
Where did you fabricate such a straw man in that small mind of yours? My recommendation, which is both explicit in the original post and implicit in my every post regarding politics in general and democracy specifically is that we as WN need to abandon the concept of 'voting politics' as not only is the concept fundamentally flawed (mobs of people should not decide who rules) but is comprehensively Jewed. To such a point that even the hope that you can *get* such a man elected is about as idiotic and effort-wasting as humanly possible.

How many here still do not understand that White Nationalism is anti-voting, anti-democracy?

Remember, it takes funding and federal workers to enforce federal legislation. Ron Paul, as president, will seek to cut 10% of the federal workforce and eliminate the Departments of Education, Commerce, Energy, Interior and Housing and Urban Development. Congress can pass legislation, but Paul can refuse to hire the workforce or enforce its regulation.

Ron Paul is known as "Dr. No" because he will object to any legislation that is unconstitutional. He will also select others for appointed office, such as the Justice Department, who has similar views. There will be little interest in the Paul administration to go after perceived "racism", and more emphasis on real crime.

Do not mistake the enthusiastic support that Ron Paul receives as an indication that many expect miracles from him. People are beginning to get fed up with the federal government, and short of a real revolution, they seek to revolutionize the way the federal government operates. Many Ron Paul supporters are fairly new to politics and have not yet learned that voting will not change anything or that the federal government is so thoroughly corrupt that nothing short of a real revolution is called for.

No one has opened the eyes to so many over the last few years to the need for changes in the federal government than Ron Paul.

The two primary things we get out of the Ron Paul campaign is that it is easier to reach other like minded people during presidential elections, and watching the Jews expose themselves trying to bring Ron Paul down. The longer he stays in the race, the better it will be for us.

Where did you fabricate such a straw man in that small mind of yours? My recommendation, which is both explicit in the original post and implicit in my every post regarding politics in general and democracy specifically is that we as WN need to abandon the concept of 'voting politics' as not only is the concept fundamentally flawed (mobs of people should not decide who rules) but is comprehensively Jewed. To such a point that even the hope that you can *get* such a man elected is about as idiotic and effort-wasting as humanly possible.

How many here still do not understand that White Nationalism is anti-voting, anti-democracy?

Oh, I see, and you are saying that you live in the real world.

I predict that Ron Paul will have already dropped out of the race before Spring arrives. The ZOG has already given the nod to its chosen puppet, and Romney will most likely receieve the GOP nomination. It won't matter, since everyone who supports Obama will vote for him and everyone who wants Obama out will vote for Romney. If Paul runs as an independant, it will only serve to divide the opposition against Obama and guarentee his reelection.

By the way, Prof. Thomas, the fed was audited. Spearheaded by RP.
Are you holding your breath for the actual results of this?
Ron Paul is known as "Dr. No" because he will object to any legislation that is unconstitutional. He will also select others for appointed office, such as the Justice Department, who has similar views. There will be little interest in the Paul administration to go after perceived "racism", and more emphasis on real crime.
Here's the paradox, for anything to be moved in the US government structure, it needs to go through legislative bodies, bodies which created and continue to protect and expand the systems Paul "seeks" to remove, end or otherwise stop.

So here is the paradox, Paul's hands are tied if he works through the Congress, which is constitutional, being he himself a constitutionalist, so if he does what's needed to be done and works without Congressional approval (seems standard practice for other presidents), but that would be anti-constitutional.

Ergo he wouldn't do a fucking thing, because he can't. The whole game is rigged, the car is engineered to go forward, and not veer off course.

Are you holding your breath for the actual results of this?

Holding my breath? Cute! You know, Prof. Thomas, I would expect something more original from you than that, but since you are not American that's expected.

Holding my breath? Cute! You know, Prof. Thomas, I would expect something more original from you than that, but since you are not American that's expected.
Well considering you didn't bother reading my own post (thinking that I believe one of your other faggot politicians is a better pick that Ron "The Circumcisor" Paul, instead of a wholesale rejection of your glorious Americunt political system), I am not surprised you are going for the low-blows, lacking the mental aptitude to take on a Somali in wit.

Speaking of mutilating male children in a horrendous, Semitic fashion:

Ron Paul has delivered 4000 babies. Roughly half of those were boys. He delivered most of them somewhere between 1968 and 1990. During these times, the circumcision rate was somewhere around 60-80%.

Ergo somewhere between 1200-1600 infant male presumably white children lost their foreskin because of this anti-white loser. Roll your eyes at that, feminist twat.

So here is the paradox, Paul's hands are tied if he works through the Congress, which is constitutional, being he himself a constitutionalist, so if he does what's needed to be done and works without Congressional approval (seems standard practice for other presidents), but that would be anti-constitutional.



The legislative branch is set up by the U.S. Constitution, but that does not mean that their legislation will be constitutional. Paul can veto such legislation and force Congress to go back to the drawing board and come up with something more in line with the Constitution.

Ron Paul can cut those five departments mentioned in my prior post simply by submitting a new budget with zero funds for those departments. Here is how the process is supposed to work:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget
The U.S. Constitution (Article I, section 9, clause 7) states that "[n]o money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time."

Each year, the President of the United States submits his budget request to Congress for the following fiscal year as required by the Budget and Accounting Act of 1921. Current law (31 U.S.C. § 1105(a)) requires the president to submit a budget no earlier than the first Monday in January, and no later than the first Monday in February. Typically, presidents submit budgets on the first Monday in February. The budget submission has been delayed, however, in some new presidents' first year when previous president belonged to a different party.

Sounds like the Congress can reject that budget request to me, along with stalling near indefinitely with any proposals he sends to Congress.

I predict that Ron Paul will have already dropped out of the race before Spring arrives. The ZOG has already given the nod to its chosen puppet, and Romney will most likely receieve the GOP nomination. It won't matter, since everyone who supports Obama will vote for him and everyone who wants Obama out will vote for Romney. If Paul runs as an independant, it will only serve to divide the opposition against Obama and guarentee his reelection.

You have learned your MSM talking points well. Bravo!

First of all, Ron Paul is not going to drop out of the race. At the very least, he wants to use his delegates to alter the Republican party platform.

Second, the Republican party has changed the rules last fall on how delegates are allocated for elections held prior to April 1st (34 states). These primaries are proportional, not winner take all.

By the fall of 2011, several states scheduled contests failing to adhere to the adopted RNC rules, pushing the primary calendar into January. These contests are in violation of RNC rules, with New Hampshire, South Carolina, Florida, Arizona and Michigan set to be penalized with a loss of half of their delegates: New Hampshire will be penalized from 23 delegates to 12, South Carolina from 50 to 25, Florida from 99 to 50, Arizona from 58 to 29 and Michigan from 59 to 30. As they are holding non-binding caucuses, Iowa, Colorado, Maine and Minnesota will not be automatically penalized; their contests to bind national delegates will be held later.

Third, in 2008, with half of the votes he is receiving in 2012, Ron Paul stayed in the race until June 12th.

Sounds like the Congress can reject that budget request to me, along with stalling near indefinitely with any proposals he sends to Congress.

Presidents of the U.S. have about as much absolute power as the Queen in the UK. Both are basically figureheads. They can sign legislation into law, but it all has to go through congress first. It is a highly ineffecient system that is supposed to prevent tyrrany, but is prone to abuse in the form of pork barrel projects and lobbyist determined votes.

You have learned your MSM talking points well. Bravo!

First of all, Ron Paul is not going to drop out of the race. At the very least, he wants to use his delegates to alter the Republican party platform.

I wouldn't count on it.

Presidents of the U.S. have about as much absolute power as the Queen in the UK. Both are basically figureheads. They can sign legislation into law, but it all has to go through congress first. It is a highly ineffecient system prone that is supposed to prevent tyrrany, but is given to abuse in the form of pork barrel projects and lobbyist determined votes.
From what I have read, Paul's hands are tied even with veto power, as his veto can be overruled in part or whole by Congress.

http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/presvetoes17891988.pdf

Sounds like the Congress can reject that budget request to me, along with stalling near indefinitely with any proposals he sends to Congress.

Read this again carefully:

The U.S. Constitution (Article I, section 9, clause 7) states that "[n]o money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law.

Congress cannot stall indefinitely, otherwise the whole federal government will shut down. Compromises will have to be made, both on Congress' part and Ron Paul's.

Are you aware that during Obama's term, not one budget has been passed? Instead, Obama and Congress has had to resort to passing legislation as funding for various departments of the federal government come close to running out.

Ron Paul can force Congress, through his power to veto, into passing spending bills to keep only those parts of the federal government he and Congress can agree on. As for the other departments, we will likely see high drama in the news as people go in a panic over their special programs.

That can only be good for us, as more and more people become disgusted with the federal politicians.

From what I have read, Paul's hands are tied even with veto power, as his veto can be overruled in part or whole by Congress.

http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/presvetoes17891988.pdf

Two-thirds majority to overrule a President's veto, I do not need to look it up, it is written in the U.S. Constitution.

Do you know how difficult that is in our increasingly polarized Congress?

Ron Paul can force Congress, through his power to veto, into passing spending bills to keep only those parts of the federal government he and Congress can agree on. As for the other departments, we will likely see high drama in the news as people go in a panic over their special programs.
Read this carefully (from the Veto article I posted)

If the Congress overrides the veto by a two-thirds majority in each house, it becomes law without the President's signature. Otherwise, the bill fails to become law unless it is presented to the President again and he chooses to sign it.

Thus, his hands are tied, it's the Congress who wields such power.

Rather than waste money, Ron paul being a fiscal conservative will drop out of the race when it becomes apparent he won't have any chance of being the nominee. Most candidates drop out after Super Tuesday.

Romney vs. Obama..
losers: American people

Two-thirds majority to overrule a President's veto, I do not need to look it up, it is written in the U.S. Constitution.

Do you know how difficult that is in our increasingly polarized Congress?
Paul is not taking on former legislation that popped up overnight.

He is going to try and wipe out essentially the entire government power structure in place for years. We're already deep in a gross hypothetical of the man even getting elected, I see nothing credible to backup the possibility of even a single veto succeeding and not bogging him down with probably no result, let alone the status quo of the United States Federal Government that has been in power since the 1960s.

Paul is not taking on former legislation that popped up overnight.

He is going to try and wipe out essentially the entire government power structure in place for years. We're already deep in a gross hypothetical of the man even getting elected, I see nothing credible to backup the possibility of even a single veto succeeding and not bogging him down with probably no result, let alone the status quo of the United States Federal Government that has been in power since the 1960s.

What should we do then? Get some Tattoos, buy guns and live in the woods?

There seems to be some jealously over Ron Paul considering most of his supporters are young white men. Which is understandable. Also I wonder if there other ulterior reasons for denouncing Ron Paul like fearing Mr. Paul might end the "War on Terror" which some Whites here seem to enjoy because they like the idea of killing Muslims. Which is interesting considering Muslims are the only ones taking the fight to ZOG in a corporeal way. Gun collectors only fantasize about it.

What should we do then? Get some Tattoos, buy guns and live in the woods?

There seems to be some jealously over Ron Paul considering most of his supporters are young white men. Which is understandable. Also I wonder if there other ulterior reasons for denouncing Ron Paul like fearing Mr. Paul might end the "War on Terror" which some Whites here seem to enjoy because they like the idea of killing Muslims. Which is interesting considering Muslims are the only ones taking the fight to ZOG in a corporeal way. Gun collectors only fantasize about it.

If Israel were wiped off the face of the earth tomorrow by a surprise Islamic nuclear attack; it would only be a minor setback for the Jews who already control everything outside of Israel.

Muslims are no more our friends than niggers are. The fact that they also hate their close blood kinsmen, the Jews, in no way lessens their hatred for White non-Muslims; especially Whites in America.

It is not in our race's best interest to keep Muslims alive any more than it is in our race's best interest to keep Jews, niggers or mexicrement alive.

What should we do then? Get some Tattoos, buy guns and live in the woods?
Reject voting politics altogether as the pathetic, dried up old whore it really is, and start forming WN communities on a local level.

Whatever else you do - I do not care, but spreading drivel about that anti-white loser Ron Paul as if he has some modicum of respect or compassion for the white race is about as useful as handing out Aryan Alternatives to neighbourhoods and actually expecting people to read through them beyond skimming for coupons.

The notion that White Nationalists can work within a system that is diametrically opposed to us is silly. If Ron Paul actually poses any threat to the system, he wouldn't get any where near close to the presidency (and, if elected, he actually did pose a threat to the system, he would go the way of John F. Kennedy). Paul is controlled opposition.

He is not being allowed anywhere near the presidency, Clancy. He is allowed to run (not a big danger to the system there even if he is a danger) in order to pacify people but he will never be allowed to win. He could and maybe even has started something that could be a danger to the system but that is likely still a ways down the road and they could do a whole hell of a lot to kill that danger.

He is not being allowed anywhere near the presidency, Clancy. He is allowed to run (not a big danger to the system there even if he is a danger) in order to pacify people but he will never be allowed to win. He could and maybe even has started something that could be a danger to the system but that is likely still a ways down the road and they could do a whole hell of a lot to kill that danger.
That is a Paul paradox for sure. Why spread propaganda about a character destined to lose?

Also, why do we WANT him in there? He's mutilated white children and was practically a civil rights activist.

That is a Paul paradox for sure. Why spread propaganda about a character destined to lose?
To give the impression that even mild dissidents (as most Ron Paul supporters are) are crazy.

Reject voting politics altogether as the pathetic, dried up old whore it really is, and start forming WN communities on a local level.

Whatever else you do - I do not care, but spreading drivel about that anti-white loser Ron Paul as if he has some modicum of respect or compassion for the white race is about as useful as handing out Aryan Alternatives to neighbourhoods and actually expecting people to read through them beyond skimming for coupons.

You still don't make sense. People are forming WN communities, and have been doing it. Ron Paul has not stopped or hindered that. You like many others are just jealous of Ron Paul's support (mostly of Young White Males). You just can't admit it.

If Israel were wiped off the face of the earth tomorrow by a surprise Islamic nuclear attack; it would only be a minor setback for the Jews who already control everything outside of Israel.

Muslims are no more our friends than niggers are. The fact that they also hate their close blood kinsmen, the Jews, in no way lessens their hatred for White non-Muslims; especially Whites in America.

It is not in our race's best interest to keep Muslims alive any more than it is in our race's best interest to keep Jews, niggers or mexicrement alive.

So you admit that you are for the "War on Terror" then, and that's one of the reasons you don't like Ron Paul. Interesting, I think.

You still don't make sense.
Much more sense than WN support for Paul.
People are forming WN communities, and have been doing it. Ron Paul has not stopped or hindered that.
Supporting Paul, who literally will do nothing for this cause, takes away valuable time and especially resources when you see the dullards with donation threads to anti-white Paul.
You like many others are just jealous of Ron Paul's support (mostly of Young White Males). You just can't admit it.
I would not be caught dead standing shoulder to shoulder with Paul, given that a swathe of his support today comes directly from Obama's camp in 2008, not to mention that the people who stand by Paul showcasing him quite rightly as a champion of nigger civil rights, as per the video provided.

Paul is certainly not with us.

So you admit that you are for the "War on Terror" then, and that's one of the reasons you don't like Ron Paul. Interesting, I think.

I support the elimination of any and all enemies of the White race, which has nothing to do with my distrust of Ron Paul's other policies. Quite the contrary, it is some of Ron Paul's ideas domestic policies that give me the greatest reason for concern. That being said, there really aren't any candidates running who I can see myself supporting.

My own politics are:

Anti gun control

pro capital punishment

anti school prayer

pro secular government and public education

anti foreign imports

pro choice on abortion

anti gay rights

pro federal regulation of American companies

anti immigration

pro higher taxes for the rich

anti flat tax

pro socialized medicine

anti foreign aid

pro social security

anti affirmative action

pro defense

anti United Nations

You still don't make sense. People are forming WN communities, and have been doing it. Ron Paul has not stopped or hindered that.

Neither has anyone else, so that says nothing. I'm with Thomas on this one. No candidate for POTUS will ever do anything to advance our cause. We must do this on our own, by forming our own separatist communities, like the Amish have done and succeeded with for over 200 years. If we are smart, we can work the current system to our own advantage, just like the Jews and the niggers have done. We have to quit caring about the government and start caring about ourselves.

Ron Paul is bad for jews and the JOGs, and what's bad for jews and the JOGs is good for Aryans.

Not only is he driving millions of gentiles towards jew-wiseness, he's causing many big jews and their gentile whores to panic and expose jew power, themselves. Paul is also empowering and inspiring active muslim freedom fighters and enemies of Israel and other international jewish mobsters, worldwide. Muslims fight. "WNs" whine.

SUPPORT RON PAUL !!!

There aren't enough real life "White Nationalists", worthy of the name, in the U.S., to fill a freakin Hardy's restaurant, much less an actual active WN organization, remotely comparable to the growing armies of intelligent white Ron Paul youth. With whom, at least there's tangible, non-anonymous hope, as opposed to ficticious, invisible, cyber space pussies, too GD yellow to place their names alongside what they secretly type.

If Israel were wiped off the face of the earth tomorrow by a surprise Islamic nuclear attack; it would only be a minor setback for the Jews who already control everything outside of Israel.

Muslims are no more our friends than niggers are. The fact that they also hate their close blood kinsmen, the Jews, in no way lessens their hatred for White non-Muslims; especially Whites in America.

It is not in our race's best interest to keep Muslims alive any more than it is in our race's best interest to keep Jews, niggers or mexicrement alive.


The Arab American Institute isn't even acknowledging that Ron Paul is running, that should tell you something right there.....

Ron Paul is bad for jews and the JOGs, and what's bad for jews and the JOGs is good for Aryans.

Not only is he driving millions of gentiles towards jew-wiseness, he's causing many big jews and their gentile whores to panic and expose jew power, themselves.

SUPPORT RON PAUL !!!

There aren't enough real life "White Nationalists", worthy of the name, in the U.S., to fill a freakin Hardy's restaurant, much less an actual active WN organization, remotely comparable to the growing armies of intelligent white Ron Paul youth. With whom, at least there's tangible, non-anonymous hope, as opposed to ficticious, invisible, cyber space pussies, too GD yellow to place their names alongside what they type.

I don't have a problem using my real name or being associated with the views I hold. That's not an issue. But Ron Paul has yet to take the lead in a single primary, and it doesn't look like he is going to. By Super Tuesday, it will all be over for Ron Paul's bid to get the Republican nomination. If he chooses to run as an independant, then Obama will be reelected. That's just the way it is. Might as well accept it and get on with your life. We aren't going to be able to vote ourselves out of the mess we are in. The best we can do is to use the system that is already in place to our advantage, instead of being a slave to it.

Ron Paul is bad for jews and the JOGs, and what's bad for jews and the JOGs is good for Aryans.

Not only is he driving millions of gentiles towards jew-wiseness, he's causing many big jews and their gentile whores to panic and expose jew power, themselves.

SUPPORT RON PAUL !!!
Paul paradox: is the government is "JOG" ie. Jewish Occupied Government then how, in your feeble, senile mind, can Paul win an election set up, sponsored and hosted by Jews and their lackeys?

Short answer: he cannot.
There aren't enough real life "White Nationalists", worthy of the name, in the U.S., to fill a freakin Hardy's restaurant, much less an actual active WN organization, remotely comparable to the growing armies of intelligent white Ron Paul youth. With whom, at least there's tangible, non-anonymous hope, as opposed to ficticious, invisible, cyber space pussies, too GD yellow to place their names alongside what they type.
"Intelligent, white Ron Paul youffs" who seem to rely on Paul's past history of helping interracial couples and their abominations for support. Yeah, Rounder, you sure know how to pick your allies. Stand hand in hand with egalitarian morons and Marxist indoctrinated university brats, see how well that works for WN. If you actually think that any of these youff Paul supporters are good for us, rather than merely playing in to more incompetent "freedom loving" patriotic bullshit, then I would have to tell you to lay off the hooch.

Also, I noticed that your pro-Paul stance is from a platform of defeatism, ie. that WN is simply too weak to organize on a community level, while procopius seems to think that such action is taking place currently, and as we speak. So what is it? Organize whites on a local level or waste money on an anti-white, futile, mainstream political shrill like Ron Paul.

A White Nationalist could answer this question fairly easily, but I doubt a Paultard hypocrite could.

Read this carefully (from the Veto article I posted)

If the Congress overrides the veto by a two-thirds majority in each house, it becomes law without the President's signature. Otherwise, the bill fails to become law unless it is presented to the President again and he chooses to sign it.

Thus, his hands are tied, it's the Congress who wields such power.

Overriding a Presidential veto is not as easy as you think it is.

According the the Congressional Research service, from 1789 through 2004, only 106 of 1,484 regular presidential vetoes were overridden by Congress. Add in the 1067 pocket vetoes and one will see how difficult it is for Congress to override a Presidential veto.

Since 1992, there has been 186 regular and pocket vetoes, with only 7 of them overridden by Congress. Today, we hardly see Presidential vetoes anymore (G.W. Bush 12, Obama 2) because Congress no longer tries to pass legislation that has no support from the President to begin with.

Thomas's reply to Rounder:


Also, I noticed that your pro-Paul stance is from a platform of defeatism, ie. that WN is simply too weak to organize on a community level, while procopius seems to think that such action is taking place currently, and as we speak. So what is it? Organize whites on a local level or waste money on an anti-white, futile, mainstream political shrill like Ron Paul.

A White Nationalist could answer this question fairly easily, but I doubt a Paultard hypocrite could.

Organizing Whites on a local level is pissing in the wind until we reform the electoral system. See if you and others can wrap your mind around what I posted on another thread this afternoon.


Damn good idea about Paul running on the Libertarian ticket, Smokey. I hadn't even thought of that option. Hopefully, the Libertarian leaders will delay naming their candidate and then only after offering RP the job.



The Libertarian party convention starts May 2nd and Ron Paul, if he is to be nominated on the LP ticket, will have to make an announcement that he will quit the Republican party and join the LP prior to then.

Gary Johnson (http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/front), former governor of New Mexico is the most likely candidate to get the nomination should Ron Paul stay with the Republican party. If enough of the Ron Paul supporters drop the idea of writing in Ron Paul's name on the ballot (which is throwing away their votes) and get busy helping Gary Johnson, we may see for the first time in decades a viable third party run for the presidency that could alter the way the electoral college votes.

Independents now make up 40% of the electorate. Many of them regret voting for Obama and are not thrilled with Romney either. Ron Paul will be a fool not to jump the Republican party and join the Libertarian party after the April 24th primaries for Connecticut, Delaware, New York, Pennsylvania, and Rhode Island, all northeastern states that will overwhelmingly go for Romney. By then, 34 states will have already held their caucus or primary.

The best that Ron Paul will do by staying in the Republican party is a brokered convention, a nationally televised speech, and altering the party platform here and there. He will become a trivia question and his son a non-starter for the 2016 campaign. What no one is looking at is the fact that 2012 will be the last presidential election that the Republican party can win without at least 75% of the White vote due to the coming change in voter demographics. The days of the Neo-con is just about over.

On the other hand, if he were to join the Libertarian party, his popularity could consolidate the Constitutional party (200,000 votes in the 2008 Presidential election), a significant number of independents, some Democrats, possibly 10% of the Republicans into the Libertarian party which will do much better than Ross Perot's 18.9% of the popular vote back in 1992 (http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php?year=1992&off=0&elect=0&f=0). Romney is not going to beat Obama, we all know that. What better way to reform our electoral system from winner take all in the majority of states to a proportional system then seeing Obama win electoral votes with less than 40% of the popular vote in several states?

This is where Ron Paul can make a lasting contribution to America's political process. We need him to smash the two-party oligarchy if a viable White Nationalist party is to ever be taken seriously in the future.

If Ron Paul stays with the Republican party, then after May 6th, every White Nationalist had better start assisting Gary Johnson and hammer away at Obama the best that we can.

This year we have a very unique opportunity to throw a monkey wrench into the political process and we damn well need to take advantage of it. Our current system gives too much power and influence to minorities and we can change it by insisting that electors are to be selected by Congressional district instead of a state-wide winner take all system that we have today.

Each state has two electors plus the number of Congressional districts within their state. Two electors will have to remain subject to the popular vote, the others can be selected by Congressional district. This will result in giving ethnic minorities less influence in our electoral system and more influence for Congressional districts where Whites hold the majority then they have now. Due to the Voting Rights Act, Congressional districts are being drawn up along racial lines to protect minority held seats, leaving many Congressional districts overwhelmingly White.

THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE (http://www.fec.gov/pdf/eleccoll.pdf), by William C. Kimberling, Deputy Director FEC Office of Election Administration

Proponents also point out that, far from diminishing minority interests by depressing voter participation, the Electoral College actually enhances the status of minority groups. This is so because the votes of even small minorities in a State may make the difference between winning all of that State's electoral votes or none of that State's electoral votes. And since ethnic minority groups in the United States happen to concentrate in those States with the most electoral votes, they assume an importance to presidential candidates well out of proportion to their number. The same principle applies to other special interest groups such as labor unions, farmers, environmentalists, and so forth.

It is because of this "leverage effect" that the presidency, as an institution, tends to be more sensitive to ethnic minority and other special interest groups than does the Congress as an institution. Changing to a direct election of the president would therefore actually damage minority interests since their votes would be overwhelmed by a national popular majority.

Proponents further argue that the Electoral College contributes to
the political stability of the nation by encouraging a two-party system.

During the 1800's, two trends in the States altered and more or less
standardized the manner of choosing Electors. The first trend was toward
choosing Electors by the direct popular vote of the whole State (rather than
by the State legislature or by the popular vote of each Congressional
district). Indeed, by 1836, all States had moved to choosing their Electors by
a direct statewide popular vote except South Carolina which persisted in
choosing them by the State legislature until 1860. Today, all States choose
their Electors by direct statewide election except Maine (which in 1969) and
Nebraska (which in 1991) changed to selecting two of its Electors by a
statewide popular vote and the remainder by the popular vote in each
Congressional district.

Along with the trend toward their direct statewide election came the
trend toward what is called the "winner-take-all" system of choosing
Electors. Under the winner-take-all system, the presidential candidate who
wins the most popular votes within a State wins all of that State's Electors.
This winner-take-all system was really the logical consequence of the direct
statewide vote for Electors owing to the influence of political parties. For in
a direct popular election, voters loyal to one political party's candidate for
president would naturally vote for that party's list of proposed Electors. By
the same token, political parties would propose only as many Electors as
there were electoral votes in the State so as not to fragment their support
and thus permit the victory of another party's Elector.

Since 1992, there has been 186 regular and pocket vetoes, with only 7 of them overridden by Congress. Today, we hardly see Presidential vetoes anymore (G.W. Bush 12, Obama 2) because Congress no longer tries to pass legislation that has no support from the President to begin with.
True, from what I've seen, there are something like 600+ vetoes from Roosevelt, and hardly any of them were overridden by Congress.

The problem I see is that this myriad of bills that moves through the legislative branches of the US government are more often than not social services. Limiting bills proposed by Republican drafters are usually limiting within a certain predetermined framework. Neo-conservatism being a hyper-realized version of this, Liberal in domestic affairs but very hawk lobby in foreign affairs. See how well Paul fares when he takes his oath and starts vetoing thousands of pieces of legislature that is Jew-approved. See what happens when Congress gets a budget with a $0 marked on it. To think that the non-elected power structure will even pretend to play ball with anti-white Paul is lunacy.
Organizing Whites on a local level is pissing in the wind until we reform the electoral system. See if you and others can wrap your mind around what I posted on another thread this afternoon.
The problem with even humoring the idea that voting politics can work for WN is that it compromises the WN principle that elective politics and power structure is opposed to white solidarity.

Organizing Whites on a local level is pissing in the wind until we reform the electoral system. See if you and others can wrap your mind around what I posted on another thread this afternoon.

The Libertarian party convention starts May 2nd and Ron Paul, if he is to be nominated on the LP ticket, will have to make an announcement that he will quit the Republican party and join the LP prior to then.



Talk about pissing in the wind....:rolleyes:

Splitting the vote, as you say Akins, almost guarantees Obama's reelection.

It is almost pathetic, seeing WN throw money at Obama's campaign success.

I don't support Ron Paul because "the enemy of my enemy" is not always my friend.

Talk about pissing in the wind....:rolleyes:

I cannot help it if you are unable to comprehend my entire post and the reason why a successful third party candidate will usher in political reforms that will in the future reduce the disproportionate influence that minorities, and the two-party system, has on our electoral process.

We all know that the Republican party candidate, other than Ron Paul, is going to end up throwing the election to Obama. Instead of bitching and whining, we can use this current state of affairs to our advantage.

So far, Maine and Nebraska moved towards a proportional apportionment of their electors. The more states that we can get to adopt this, the more influence third parties will have on the platform of the two main parties and less influence minorities will have.

In the future, please read my entire post before making assumptions. As a rule, I try to avoid posting a wall of text, but sometimes, to clarify and back up my reasoning, other material will need to be added.

We all know that the Republican party candidate, other than Ron Paul, is going to end up throwing the election to Obama. Instead of bitching and whining, we can use this current state of affairs to our advantage.
Within the context of the rigged, useless American Federal Election, Ron Paul is throwing the nomination to Obama.

As for reforming the voting system, do not be surprised if I hold my breath. The non-elected power of the United States would never allow their experiment to be compromised by pointless ballots.

The problem with even humoring the idea that voting politics can work for WN is that it compromises the WN principle that elective politics and power structure is opposed to white solidarity.

Please clarify your statement. Are you saying that a republican form of government is opposed to White solidarity? Or are you saying that the current system that we have now, with the Jew controlling the mass media, is opposed to White solidarity?

Within the context of the rigged, useless American Federal Election, Ron Paul is throwing the nomination to Obama.

As for reforming the voting system, do not be surprised if I hold my breath. The non-elected power of the United States would never allow their experiment to be compromised by pointless ballots.

Will you please keep what I am saying within context? The individual states decide how electors are to be selected, not the federal government. Two states, Maine and Nebraska has already adopted what I have suggested that other states do.

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=137893&page=3

I cannot help it if you are unable to comprehend my entire post and the reason why a successful third party candidate will usher in political reforms that will in the future reduce the disproportionate influence that minorities, and the two-party system, has on our electoral process.

When was the last time anyone got elected POTUS running as a third party candidate?

When was the last time a third party candidate even came close to being elected?

Please clarify your statement. Are you saying that a republican form of government is opposed to White solidarity?
The Republican system of government, ideally, is not opposed to white solidarity. What the Republican system is, however, is highly susceptible to corruption and subversion, from Rome onward.
Or are you saying that the current system that we have now, with the Jew controlling the mass media, is opposed to White solidarity?
This can be said with complete certainty. In essence, elected politics in the United States emits very little power, and has absolutely no hold over the non-elected economic elite which controls the ebb and flow of your nation's politics. Ron Paul, or any libertarian stands little chance of steering a car that is engineered to drive forward, even if that means oncoming traffic.
Will you please keep what I am saying within context? The individual states decide how electors are to be selected, not the federal government. Two states, Maine and Nebraska has already adopted what I have suggested that other states do.
Two states of a total of what? 50? Sounds like it is time we stop talking revolutionary politics and push for JOG reform! That will solve our existential crisis.

How exactly could Paul sweep his messianic hand and undo legislation that the Congress has approved for decades and most likely have no desire to renege on the path America is moving towards?

By :

1) signing an executive order rescinding previous executive orders which give the president absolute power indefinitely in the event of a national emergency
2) vetoing legislation that falls outside the constitution
3) having future legislation state where in the constitution such legislation is authorised
4) ordering the military to close the borders, and that states are to enforce immigration laws
5) auditing the pentagon, which announced the day before 911 that it had lost 1 trillion dollars. The office within the pentagon that discovered this loss just happened to be the very office struck by the missle that hit the pentagon. later it was discovered it was actually 2 trillion dollars gone missing. No action taken.
6) having congress issue money henceforth
7) not authorising unbalanced federal budgets
8) not authorising funding of agencies/programmes not authorised by the constitution
9) demilitarising the police
10) confirming state rights and sovereignty, and the right to secede

At present:

1) the president has given himself the authority to order anyone worldwide arrested in secret, tried in secret, and executed in secret
2) to order the assassination of anyone anywhere in the world
3) the military have been authorised to arrest you, torture you, and hold you in prison for life without trial. If they decide you are a terra wrist then they can give you a trial by military tribunal, and execute you
4) the president can go to war without declaring war

that can all be changed by RP himself

And then on the second day in office...


As for forming white communities, they exist already.

Two thirds of the US is White, in some cases, counties and towns etc are almost all White. There are counties with less than 500 people in, that could easily be taken over.

You don't need to form pioneer little Europes. You can actually go and live in real Europe, outside the big cities most of Europe is as wite as snow.

80 percent or so of the EU in total is White.

So White communities don't need to be formed, they exist already.

And?

How has that worked out so far?

Since you reject voting politics, you are by definition not held back by the current system, so by now you should then have something to show. Do you?

When was the last time anyone got elected POTUS running as a third party candidate?

When was the last time a third party candidate even came close to being elected?

You still have not read what I posted. Here is the section where I dealt with Ron Paul running as a third party candidate:

On the other hand, if he were to join the Libertarian party, his popularity could consolidate the Constitutional party (200,000 votes in the 2008 Presidential election), a significant number of independents, some Democrats, possibly 10% of the Republicans into the Libertarian party which will do much better than Ross Perot's 18.9% of the popular vote back in 1992. Romney is not going to beat Obama, we all know that. What better way to reform our electoral system from winner take all in the majority of states to a proportional system then seeing Obama win electoral votes with less than 40% of the popular vote in several states?

This is where Ron Paul can make a lasting contribution to America's political process. We need him to smash the two-party oligarchy if a viable White Nationalist party is to ever be taken seriously in the future.

Where did I talk about him winning?

Again, for the goddamn umpteenth time, I have been saying for over a month now, that it is in our best interest to see Ron Paul go as far as he can in this election, to either cause discord in America, or as I outlined in my post today, to cause electoral reform that will help us in the future.

Yes, I would like to see him actually win, not because he will do anything directly for us (he won't), but for how he is going to upset the powers that be. So goddamn what if he gets his ass shot, that will be all the better to get others to begin to see who is our real enemy - the Jew and their collaborators.

Amsel (Amschel) Bauer Mayer Rothschild, 1838:
"Let me issue and control a Nation's money and I care not who makes its laws".

Amsel (Amschel) Bauer Mayer Rothschild, 1838:
"Let me issue and control a Nation's money and I care not who makes its laws".

Henry Ford once said, “It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.”

Hello, Hugh. It is nice to see that you have responded.

Such stalwart comrades are needed.
By :

1) signing an executive order rescinding previous executive orders which give the president absolute power indefinitely in the event of a national emergency
This, I would have to say, is probably what he would do, the problem being that this would indefinitely bind his hands towards any of the more forceful changes needed.
2) vetoing legislation that falls outside the constitution
We have been here, how exactly will Paul stand against not only a Congress that could unite against him, given that he would be trying to rapidly steer their design off course, but an non-elected economic elite that is vehemently against Ron Paul?
3) having future legislation state where in the constitution such legislation is authorised
This seems rather bizarre, how would legislation stop non-constitutional legislation when the Constitution was already supposed to do this? Pieces of paper seem to mean little in the world of real politics.
4) ordering the military to close the borders, and that states are to enforce immigration laws
Last I checked, Paul was completely against this. Besides, would he not need massive executive authority to do this? Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
5) auditing the pentagon, which announced the day before 911 that it had lost 1 trillion dollars. The office within the pentagon that discovered this loss just happened to be the very office struck by the missle that hit the pentagon. later it was discovered it was actually 2 trillion dollars gone missing. No action taken.
I would like to see whether or not he could even do so.
6) having congress issue money henceforth
Ie. vetoing legislation that has been in effect for over 100 years now.
7) not authorising unbalanced federal budgets
Well he would submit the budget, and it would be up to Congress to strike it down or authorize it.
8) not authorising funding of agencies/programmes not authorised by the constitution
Again, this would be up to Congress if they did not accept the budget he puts forth.
9) demilitarising the police
This would fall to state level, correct?
10) confirming state rights and sovereignty, and the right to secede
Again, this would be a Congressional matter.
At present:

1) the president has given himself the authority to order anyone worldwide arrested in secret, tried in secret, and executed in secret
2) to order the assassination of anyone anywhere in the world
3) the military have been authorised to arrest you, torture you, and hold you in prison for life without trial. If they decide you are a terra wrist then they can give you a trial by military tribunal, and execute you
4) the president can go to war without declaring war

that can all be changed by RP himself

And then on the second day in office...
This seems like another Paul paradox, to change these laws and what not arbitrarily he would need the kind of power that only subverting the Constitution can provide, yet if he does so, could we call Ron Paul a Constitutionalist? Personally, I have no problem with Paul taking on the US Constitution, but given that he is a principled person (anti-white principles mind you), I doubt he would do so. He would be in effect shooting himself in the foot by limiting his executive authority and extra-Constitutional power.
As for forming white communities, they exist already.

Two thirds of the US is White, in some cases, counties and towns etc are almost all White. There are counties with less than 500 people in, that could easily be taken over.

You don't need to form pioneer little Europes. You can actually go and live in real Europe, outside the big cities most of Europe is as wite as snow.

80 percent or so of the EU in total is White.

So White communities don't need to be formed, they exist already.

And?

How has that worked out so far?

Since you reject voting politics, you are by definition not held back by the current system, so by now you should then have something to show. Do you?
I am not speaking of organizing white communities, as you have perhaps misread something. I spoke only of organizing WN communities, or more aptly put, consolidating WN power in your own community. Something along the lines of,

Secede. Control taxbases/municipalities. Use sanctions, boycotts, strikes.

Etc.

Muslims fight. "WNs" whine.


A good case study is the Muslim Brotherhood. Here we have a political organization that has for years been outlawed, members put in prison, sometimes assassinated, going up against a government that is secretly controlled by Jews. Today, they nearly control Egypt.



There aren't enough real life "White Nationalists", worthy of the name, in the U.S., to fill a freakin Hardy's restaurant, much less an actual active WN organization, remotely comparable to the growing armies of intelligent white Ron Paul youth. With whom, at least there's tangible, non-anonymous hope, as opposed to ficticious, invisible, cyber space pussies, too GD yellow to place their names alongside what they secretly type.

Losers, Hobbyists, and the “Movement”
(Losers, Hobbyists, and the “Movement” Editorial by Dr. Pierce from National Alliance BULLETIN, March 2000)
Editorial by Dr. Pierce from National Alliance BULLETIN, March 2000

6) having congress issue money henceforth


Ie. vetoing legislation that has been in effect for over 100 years now.

John F. Kennedy had these United States Notes issued. As far as I know, he never asked for Congressional permission.

http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfkdollar5a.jpg


Take a good look at this five dollar bill above. There is one thing that is different than any other bill you have seen in circulation. That difference when viewed in the lens of today has profound implications. Can you spot what the difference is? (It is not the red seal). Take a few moments before your read the answer below. Take a good look. What is different and what is the implication? What many people don't know about JFK is that he was the last American President to print money that was NOT backed by the Federal Reserve. Let me repeat the last portion of the sentence. ..........MONEY THAT WAS NOT BACKED OR PRINTED BY THE FEDERAL RESERVE!!! What you are looking at is a "UNITED STATES NOTE" - So ordered by John F Kennedy, president of the United States. Constitutionally, JFK had this money printed. Only Government has the legal authority to coin legal tender money.

Look at the very top of the front of the [JFK five-dollar] bill above; at the very top middle. See how it says "UNITED STATES NOTE" instead of "FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE"?

I am not speaking of organizing white communities, as you have perhaps misread something. I spoke only of organizing WN communities, or more aptly put, consolidating WN power in your own community. Something along the lines of,
[I]Secede. Control taxbases/municipalities. Use sanctions, boycotts, strikes.

:rofl Okay, got me there :)

Ron Paul is bad for jews and the JOGs, and what's bad for jews and the JOGs is good for Aryans.

Not only is he driving millions of gentiles towards jew-wiseness, he's causing many big jews and their gentile whores to panic and expose jew power, themselves.

SUPPORT RON PAUL !!!



There is another, more important reason, to get involved with the Ron Paul campaign.



Will Williams says, "Open your eyes, Pat." (Note my "Unequal" lapel pin.) :hflol

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/8287/patandwill.jpg

Yes, Joseph, Dr. Pierce said that. He also said the following is in his address, Elites vs. Masses in 2000:

I believe that it's quite reasonable to run candidates for public office, to use the democratic process -- and any other process we can use for our purpose -- so long as we go about it realistically. That is, we mustn't fool ourselves into believing that we're actually going to succeed in taking back the country that way. The problem is that as long as most of the public consists of lemmings and television remains in the hands of the Jews, the public will vote for an approved candidate, a candidate who has secretly pledged his loyalty to the enemies of our people and who has been certified kosher. But election campaigns do provide a forum, they provide another means of communicating with the public. And they may be the best means for communicating with the most conventional and conservative sector of the public, with those who are authoritarians but not really lemmings, and who believe that everything must be done in accord with the system.

The first sentence that's highlighted in bold blood red above is not inconsistent with the quote of Dr. Pierce's that you provide us with to prove he wanted nothing to do with the electoral process.

It's the second quote, below that, also in bold blood red, that tells us the rest of his thinking on using election campaigns to reach more receptive elements of the White population with our hard line biological racist philosophy. And, as you can clearly see, he says that doing so -- just as many of his followers are doing presently for Dr. Ron Paul -- "may be the best means" available to us.

That's good enough for me. And considering that our National Alliance is gone now, hijacked by thieves and corrupted beyond recognition, I will communicate Dr. Pierce's teachings as best I can throughout the receptive ranks of Ron Paul's angry Army.

I remember this speech by Dr. Pierce quite well because it came at a time when I had left the NA National Office as Membership Coordinator and was Alliance-building as Regional Coordinator in the Carolinas, putting into practice all I'd learned during my two years in Hillsboro, WV. I was heavily involved in the NC Reform Party, supporting Pat Buchanan, using his campaign to radicalize his conservative base of support. Alliance members were confused by that, Joseph, because they had remembered that quote you gave us, I suppose. So Dr. Pierce gave us a clarification in Eliets vs. Masses in March of 2000.

He had already weighed in on Pat Buchanan months earlier (below), but that was before I and fellow Carolinian Alliance members had joined Pat's campaign to reach lots of new people with the Alliance's message to further radicalize them. He liked what we were doing. He liked it a lot, especially when the Washington Post quoted me as a National Alliance organizer and spokesman, saying that the Alliance "intended to make the Reform Party more White-friendly."

Donnachaidh is right to say it would be presumptuous of us to say what Dr. Pierce would say today about his followers supporting Dr. Ron Paul for President. Dr. Paul is no Pat Buchanan. Unlike Pat, Dr. No is a true "outsider" and is pissing off our Jewish masters and their collaborators moreso with his platform than Pat ever dreamed of doing.

Pat eventually capitulated to overwhelming Jew pressure brought to bear on him; to date, Dr. Paul has not, but has been tested repeatedly with smears of "racist," ""neo-nazi," etc. I'm pretty sure Dr. P. would approve of our supporting Dr. P. In fact, I'm positive he would, as long as we go about it realistically as he advised us. This is considering the disastrous circumstance that his and our National Alliance of 2000 has since been stolen, thoroughly compromised and turned into little more than a revenue source for Erich and Holiday Heathen Gliebe. :puke:

Hypocrisy and Democracy
by Dr. William Pierce

"...Do you think I'm being too hard on our elected officials? Do you think I'm condemning them unjustly? Is there an honest one somewhere that I haven't heard about? What about Pat Buchanan, you ask?

Well of course, Pat Buchanan isn't an elected official yet. Judging by the almost unbelievably vicious and hateful attacks on him in the controlled media recently, the Jews are determined that he never will be an elected official. He made one or two less-than-worshipful comments about the Jews in the past and then refused to apologize and grovel, and so they are going all out to make him seem dangerous and hateful.

In his recently published book, A Republic, Not an Empire, Buchanan points out that America could have and should have stayed out of two world wars in this century, that neither of these wars was necessary to defend America, and neither that served American interests. Such statements send the Jews into a spitting, shrieking frenzy of hatred and vilification. Oy, veh! Who cares about America's interests? If America had stayed out of the First World War, we Jews never would have been able to seize control of Russia and murder 60 million Europeans. And if America had stayed out of the Second World War, Hitler would have thrown us all out of Europe. Oy, veh!

So the Jews see Buchanan as a dangerous anti-Semite for putting America's interests ahead of theirs, and they treat him accordingly in their media -- and so do the politicians.

Now listen: I'm really not a Buchanan supporter. He's far too soft on race and on the Jews. But the way the Jews hate and vilify him is a clue as to why all the rest of the politicians are nothing but liars, hypocrites, and traitors: men who never stand up for our interests. Here's the way it works: Democracy is about winning elections. No one wins an election in America, above the county level, if the Jews are determined that he should lose. With their control of television they can destroy any candidate. Politicians understand that, and being practical, self-interested people, they don't buck the Jews. That's why you see them behaving the way they do. That's why you see them now putting on hypocritical displays of outrage over Pat Buchanan's comments, for example. It's an opportunity for them to demonstrate their Political Correctness, an opportunity for them to prove that they have learned what the mayor of Fredericton is learning, an opportunity to prove their loyalty to the people who give them good press.

So now we hear them pretending to be indignant that Buchanan is making chumps out of the Americans who fought in the Second World War; he's calling those who fought suckers, they say, and that's unpatriotic, and so we ought to shun him. Never mind that that's not really what Buchanan said. Buchanan pointed out that Roosevelt, by giving secret assurances to Churchill that America would back him in a war against Germany, led us into a war which not only was unnecessary but which cost us 300,000 killed, cost the Germans millions killed and millions more raped by our gallant communist allies, cost the lives of millions of other Europeans, and delivered half of Europe to communist rule for 50 years. Never mind all that; Roosevelt kept Hitler from sending all the Jews packing, and that's all that the people who give the politicians good press care about. Historical truth matters no more to these politicians than political truth. Their habit is to posture and to lie about anything, anytime, if they believe it will help them win elections.

That's the way democracy works; it's a system which encourages hypocrisy and lying, which virtually guarantees it, whether Jews are involved or not. And when Jews are involved, when Jews control the process, then we get what we have in America today: open borders and a continuing flood of non-Whites into America, darkening our cities, darkening our schools, raping our women, killing our men, degrading our culture, destroying our civilization, with no elected official willing to stand up and speak out against it.

So at least let us, let you and me, stand up and speak out.

Here we have a political organization that has for years been outlawed, members put in prison, sometimes assassinated, going up against a government that is secretly controlled by Jews.
Miller would know all about this, too.
Glenn Miller on Howard Stern 4/6/10 (2 of 4) - YouTube
9:37-10:00
Glenn Miller on Howard Stern 4/6/10 (3 of 4) - YouTube
0:00-

Small excerpt:

Stern: Is it true you were an informant for the FBI....
Miller: Yes
Stern: Against the Ku Klux Klan?
Miller: That was only after a dozen other people ratted on me a year before I did
Caller: wasn't it because we has caught purchasing guns from a military base and he had to pin it on his friends?
Miller: you cannot name one person ever served one iota(?) behind bars on account of me

And so on.

No wonder he is so hell-bent on working within the system, given that he is so familiar with it.

Constitutionally, JFK had this money printed. Only Government has the legal authority to coin legal tender money.

Look at the very top of the front of the [JFK five-dollar] bill above; at the very top middle. See how it says "UNITED STATES NOTE" instead of "FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE"?
The US President has the authority to order money printed? Is that not the responsibility of Congress and Congress only?

“The Congress shall have power….to coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin.”

There is another, more important reason, to get involved with the Ron Paul campaign.

Good William Pierce "stuff" on why and how it benefits us to use elections to advance our Cause.

These cyber space "WN" pukes who cast doubt on Ron Paul's effectiveness, are very similar to the "WN" pukes who used to cast doubt on VNN's newspaper effectiveness.

Some are crypto antis. Some are intellectual hobbyists arguing solely to attract attention to themselves. And presently, I lack the stomach to converse with either. So thanks.

Btw, here's a Will Williams piece posted on a Ron Paul forum. Will is, as you know, one of my heros and mentors. He's a freakin genius, if you ask me. Here's what Will wrote:



"When I come on here and explain that the Disney Corp., which owns ABC News, is thoroughly in Jewish hands now and that DC is simply doing what Jews do, advancing their own interests, recognizing that Dr. Paul, alone among presidential candidates, poses a threat to Jews' collective interests (he'll bring home our troops that are fighting for Israel; do away with foreign aid, secure our borders, bust the Fed, the UN, NATO, the NAU, Nafta, etc., and the out-of-control Nanny state; bust up media monopolies, restore the Bill of Rights, especially freedom of speech and association, etc., etc.), I'm told by Jews and their shabbos goy followers, "Shut up, quit spewing hatred; we mustn't give facts because the people won't understand them, and besides, Dr. Paul doesn't believe collectives exist except in the minds of collectivists like Will Williams.

We should only judge people as individuals, if at all, and only then by the content of their character, like Saint Martin told us to do, so that "little White girls and little Colored boys can walk off into paradise, hand in hand." That's hardly what the Torah teaches, but the Torah is a Jewish document so why should it be expected to benefit the gentile, the goyim? Let's not confuse facts with the Marxist bullshit of MLK, Jr."

secure our borders
If you think Paul will secure your living space you have lost more than just the respect of every WN who knows his history.
...who used to cast doubt on VNN's newspaper effectiveness.
*Kwan ruffles through Aryan Alternative*

"Why no coupons?"

*Tosses Aryan Alternative into the rubbish bin*

Miller would know all about this, too.
Glenn Miller on Howard Stern 4/6/10 (2 of 4) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1wus4k1gYY)
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Glenn Miller on Howard Stern 4/6/10 (3 of 4) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSUIpHu04ak)
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Gee, thanks. While speaking on that talk show, I gave out the websites: govnn.com, davidduke.com, and vnnforum.com. Varg said govnn.com alone got 8,500 extra hits in just the first 24 hours, as a result. And the audio is still on youtube and google 18 months later, and still bringing more whites to the websites I mentioned.

I was an invited guest on 13 establishment radio talk shows in April, 2010 as direct consequences of my WN activisms. And I cited WN website addresses on them all. One old man's activisms. What have you done in comparison, oh VIP ??

Here's another of the 13 - The kike David Pakman's show

Midweek Politics with David Pakman - Racist Candidate Glenn Miller Interview - Part 2 of 2 - YouTube

You've reminded me to phone them all again and ask for repeat invites.

Well, the sour fact is that you cannot, America. The glossy eyed idealism that I see towards this man is the kind of passion you should be putting towards consolidating WN power in your community to start a real revolution, and not the pussy-footed kind with hugs and prayers. The kind where the molotov-cocktail trumps the hollow card with the pre-stamped box with some anti-white piece of shit's name beside it.


This is all true. Every word of it. Unless a massive groundswell of white people remember what it was once like to rule instead of to kneel, we're finished, and perhaps, the white race as we know it and our nations as we've known them are finished, or at least destined to change in some very extreme ways. I don't pretend that Ron Paul is the magic panacea for what ails our race.

The part that's fun about Ron Paul is not the nuts and bolts, day to day realities of a Ron Paul Presidency, it's watching this man, this old time American white man, stand there on jewish tv, in the belly of the jewish beast and tell the FUCKING TRUTH! That's what's fun.

I don't, for one minute, think that Ron Paul can put this genie back in the bottle, but I LOVE watching him speak truth to power and seeing the jews go shitfuck insane over it, knowing that the man is speaking the truth, and knowing that millions of people out here, young people, are hearing it and taking it to heart. I love the fact that hollowheads in SC just booed the Golden Rule. I love the fact that the media is falling all over it's self to ignore or silence this man. I love the fact that young people have had fucking enough of this lying, greedy, jewish bullshit. I love to see the self righteous, sanctimonious evangelicals snarl in their demon faces at a man who speaks of kindness, personal freedoms, and living debt free.

I love it! I love to see the roof pulled off this fucker and watch the rats scatter. And right now, Ron Paul is doing that.

I don't think he'll actually become President. Even if some act of sixth dimensional causality enabled it to happen, the fucking kikes would "plane accident" him before he ever took office. But for one year, ONE YEAR, a kindly little old white man took the stage and spoke the truth non stop. Fuck yeah!

Gee, thanks. While speaking on that talk show, I gave out the websites: govnn.com, davidduke.com, and vnnforum.com. Varg said govnn.com alone got 8,500 extra hits in just the first 24 hours, as a result. And the audio is still on youtube and google 18 months later, and still bringing more whites to the websites I mentioned.
Yet from what I recall, a massive flood of eager young Miller neophytes did not come crashing through the registration gates to listen to your holier-than-thou diatribes on utter political failure.
You've reminded me to phone them all again and ask for repeat invites.
It is always nice to see that you are willing to sound like a lunatic on public air-waves for us. I'll be sure to call in and make sure everyone knows you are a federal informant.

Yes, Fenria, a lot of us like him for all these reasons. The show. Fun to see the debate network hosts look mentally disturbed as if on bad acid trips or about to be wheeled into the cold room to receive another teeth-rattling, doctor-ordered shock treatment when the Ron Paul live audience wildly cheers and whistles.

I love the fact that hollowheads in SC just booed the Golden Rule.
What does the Christian Golden Rule have to do with the necessity or Iraqing Iran? Those aren't mere hollowheads; they're the state of reality.

Btw, here's a Will Williams piece posted on a Ron Paul forum. Will is, as you know, one of my heros and mentors. He's a freakin genius, if you ask me. Here's what Will wrote:



That was Will's post in late August 2007 when he went through that forum like a hurricane, tossing aside every Jew that got in his way. :D

He prefaced his posts with the warning:

WARNING! Egalitatians and Judeophiles read no further!
:hflol

Your quote from Will Williams was his response to a Jew who was attacking him. Here is what he wrote prior to what you posted:

When Dr. Paul's supporters lament that ABC News mistreats their candidate, they don't understand why. "It's not fair," they cry. "He won ABC's own online poll with 55% of the votes, yet ABC reports that he sits in last place with just 2%. It's just not fair!" When Mark Levin, a Jew lawyer on the ABC payroll who has his own syndicated radio show, tells his listeners to call Dr. Paul's office and tell his secretaries that Dr. Paul can't win, it disturbs Dr. Paul's supporters, especially Andy Panken, who is obsessed by Levin's meanness. "It's just not fair," he deplores, and decides we all should quit what we're doing and call Levin's sponsors and tell them we won't buy their feminine hygiene spray or their pills that we must be careful about taking for fear of having a "four-hour erection." Unless they withhold their advertising revenue from mean Mark "the hater" Levin, he'll keep up his ankle-biting ways as a Howard Stern wannabe.

Panken believes this reactionary waste of our time is productive and keep telling us this is what really needs doing by us. But when I come in to explain why it is not productive, that sticking to Dr. Paul's simple game plan, forcing the Jew-controlled media to react to our spontaneous, phenominal grassroots movement, I'm attacked as the "paranoid (?)" messenger of Truth, trying to set policy for Dr. Paul. Those who attack me complain in typical ADL fashion to Meetup to shake them down and have me removed selectively for breaking my contractual agreement with Meetup. They say I'm a paid agent, a paid disruptor, a hater; they say Truth doesn't matter, facts don't matter; that I'm right, if I am, doesn't matter. What matters is that I be silenced, removed from the table so things can get back to usual, according to their plan, without those awful haters like Will Williams. "He came here to set policy for the campaign, control and dominate this board and take it over."

Do I have that sort of power? Hmmm? Maybe so. They say there's noting as powerful as an idea whose time has come. It's the IDEA that holds the power. The idea will evolve in groups like are gathered here because no revolution can exist without the right idea and the right ideals. I'm called a NAZI over and over by Randy Andy Panken who just happens to be a Jew from very Jewish Montgomery County, MD. Screaming NAZI and ANTI_SEMITE at me and conjuring up images of Jews burning in ovens or being "gassed" with a pesticide in showers his debating tactic. Andy is not a very convincing debater to the critical observer who quickly recognizes transparent 'adhominem.' As a foil, I must say, I enjoy "debating" Andy. He doesn't know when to shut up, and the people I'd prefer to influence, the responsible, independent-minded clear thinkers who are also attracted to Dr. Paul, notice this.

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During the early days of the Internet, the National Alliance had several teams who worked together on a number of user groups and forums, not with the goal to convince everyone to join the Alliance, but instead to identify those who would best fit in with the Alliance. And that is exactly what many of us biological racialists involved with the Ron Paul campaign are doing both on the Ron Paul forums and at his rallies. If the keyboard Fuhrers can only see this, perhaps they can stop with the Ron Paul bashing?

Rounder, you are correct in pointing out that as of right now there is no organization that we can direct people to without holding our noses, but that has never stopped us from continuing to spread the good news of biological racialism. Dr. Pierce's vanguard is still out there and I have confidence that eventually a new Alliance will form. It has been almost ten years since Dr. Pierce passed away and not one WN organization since then has come close to what Dr. Pierce's Alliance has accomplished.

I am starting to see signs that others are finally coming to the conclusion what Will Williams said a few years ago on VNN......


"I’ll take Dr. Pierce’s intellectual honesty and single-minded, positive leadership every time over what we have today. Our tires may need rotating but WNs do not need to reinvent the wheel."

Much more sense than WN support for Paul.

Supporting Paul, who literally will do nothing for this cause, takes away valuable time and especially resources when you see the dullards with donation threads to anti-white Paul.

I would not be caught dead standing shoulder to shoulder with Paul, given that a swathe of his support today comes directly from Obama's camp in 2008, not to mention that the people who stand by Paul showcasing him quite rightly as a champion of nigger civil rights, as per the video provided.

Paul is certainly not with us.

Despite your dismal grandeur of Ron Paul, it is a general census and already has been that many here don't expect Ron Paul to be a WN. That has been accepted because in no way would a WN become president or be a senator or one who would be in favor of WN. You need to start living in the real world, Professor Thomas. There are other ways to take the jews out and their financial hierarchy that controls America and their made up laws that violate the Constitution. The Constitution was made up by White men and the jews cannot stand that. It restricts their movement to disparage and thieve the White men and if it affects other races, they don't care just as long they become wealthy. Wealth is power to them and, if they can initiate the corporations to become bigger and powerful with the jews as shareholders/board of directors then they can influence the Congress by lobbying and handing money to individuals in Congress upfront or as kickbacks, then they will be able to squash the Constitution and therefore generate "Corporate America" where anything goes. This means shipping jobs overseas which causes layoffs which causes people to live off of the government which taxes and food items to increase in cost. In addition, the banks can use individual accounts to invest in hedge funds. Anything goes for the jews just as long they can make money no matter how they do it.

The Constitution and the gold and silver monetary means were designed to keep these parasites out of our country and from preventing them from destroying this country. However, there are many who don't see this or refuse to see this or they are too stupid to see this occurring.

Then, there are those who live in the REAL world and know what is going on and refuse to settle for less. Mitt Romney and the other losers are "directional and non-argumentive." This is just perfect for the jews.

I highly suggest you worry about your own country, Prof. Thomas the Brit. Most of our problems stem from YOUR country and YOUR central bank in England that control the banks in America. Start passing legislation to control your banks. Pssst! I'll tell you a secret. You don't have to have a WN leader to thwart the central banking system and the Rothschilds who are the initiators of wars around the globe, financial devastation around the globe, hostile immigration, and the control of everyone's lives through a police state.

Start being an original thinker, Professor Thomas.

Neither has anyone else, so that says nothing. I'm with Thomas on this one. No candidate for POTUS will ever do anything to advance our cause. We must do this on our own, by forming our own separatist communities, like the Amish have done and succeeded with for over 200 years. If we are smart, we can work the current system to our own advantage, just like the Jews and the niggers have done. We have to quit caring about the government and start caring about ourselves.

What world or country are you from? Nice thought, but realistically this has put into place many times and has failed immediately. Why is that?

Well for one, majority of individuals have been brainwashed for the last 60 years by the holocaust propaganda. Two, the jews own the media. They own all the major channels/news media on TV. About 90% of the population watch TV and are bombarded by diversity and the foul messages that are presented as normal. PG-13 movies include high sexual/violence content. The jews have up the damaging content while lowering the rating. Third, the jews have too many non-profit organizations and too much money where they are easily able to have the FBI agents apprehend anyone who represents WN ideas that are a threat to their control and who will arrest and confine them.

Realistically, where are any WNs who have the money and the support that will surpass the jews easily? Zilch!

I highly suggest you and your Prof. Thomas get your head out of your ass and start thinking like individuals instead of individuals who under the magical assumption that WNs have the money and power to surpass the jews or else I am going to conclude that both of you are trolls.

Despite your dismal grandeur of Ron Paul, it is a general census and already has been that many here don't expect Ron Paul to be a WN. That has been accepted because in no way would a WN become president or be a senator or one who would be in favor of WN. You need to start living in the real world, Professor Thomas. There are other ways to take the jews out and their financial hierarchy that controls America and their made up laws that violate the Constitution. The Constitution was made up by White men and the jews cannot stand that. It restricts their movement to disparage and thieve the White men and if it affects other races, they don't care just as long they become wealthy. Wealth is power to them and, if they can initiate the corporations to become bigger and powerful with the jews as shareholders/board of directors then they can influence the Congress by lobbying and handing money to individuals in Congress upfront or as kickbacks, then they will be able to squash the Constitution and therefore generate "Corporate America" where anything goes. This means shipping jobs overseas which causes layoffs which causes people to live off of the government which taxes and food items to increase in cost. In addition, the banks can use individual accounts to invest in hedge funds. Anything goes for the jews just as long they can make money no matter how they do it.
Paul paradox: thinking that you Americans can "vote" your way out of this mess when the election system is highly controlled by the Jew.

As for the rest, yes, I do not particularly disagree. Fairly standard WN rhetoric.
I highly suggest you worry about your own country, Prof. Thomas the Brit. Most of our problems stem from YOUR country and YOUR central bank in England that control the banks in America. Start passing legislation to control your banks. Pssst! I'll tell you a secret. You don't have to have a WN leader to thwart the central banking system and the Rothschilds who are the initiators of wars around the globe, financial devastation around the globe, hostile immigration, and the control of everyone's lives through a police state.

Start being an original thinker, Professor Thomas.
I would hazard a warning about guessing one's nationality. I am no Brit.

I will tell you a secret, no politician who threatens Jewish power can be elected in a thoroughly Jewish controlled country. This is a disconnect many Americans who harp on about Jewish control year after year seem to have come election time. Their eyes glisten at the prospect of just checking a little box and waking up from the nightmare. The sad truth of it is that such a beast demands blood sacrifice.

Do you honestly think a family that has launched almost every war in the past two centuries is really threatened by a bunch of soft, fat, stupid American voters?

What world or country are you from? Nice thought, but realistically this has put into place many times and has failed immediately. Why is that?

Well for one, majority of individuals have been brainwashed for the last 60 years by the holocaust propaganda. Two, the jews own the media. They own all the major channels/news media on TV. About 90% of the population watch TV and are bombarded by diversity and the foul messages that are presented as normal. PG-13 movies include high sexual/violence content. The jews have up the damaging content while lowering the rating. Third, the jews have too many non-profit organizations and too much money where they are easily able to have the FBI agents apprehend anyone who represents WN ideas that are a threat to their control and who will arrest and confine them.

Realistically, where are any WNs who have the money and the support that will surpass the jews easily? Zilch!

I highly suggest you and your Prof. Thomas get your head out of your ass and start thinking like individuals instead of individuals who under the magical assumption that WNs have the money and power to surpass the jews or else I am going to conclude that both of you are trolls.

We can't worry any longer about the brainwashed masses; it's time to wash our hands of them and get on with our own lives. Those of us who are aware need to do what we can to band together in our own communities, and find ways of exploiting the present establishment to our own direct advantage.

Building blogger networks at local level

Former CIA Spy Tells the Truth - YouTube




More confirmation as to Ron Paul telling the truth

Banksters - William Black tells the real truth - YouTube