People, the points of view expressed here are controversial. Trolls will show up. They win if you reply to them.

I think there are at least two trolls, that I won't name since I don't have proof, that are pretending to be racialists, but are really antis. They give themselves away by making personal vitriolic attacks on known in the real world racialists, like Hooligirl and Fredrik Haerne.

When a supposed VNN member starts calling another VNN member names, it's not proof of anything other than bad manners, but it does set off warning flags that they're playing games.

Here is a good webpage with details on how members can deal with trolls: http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm#WIAT.

Not really a suggestion but...

I was recently made aware of someone registering with a spin-off (dianedouche) of the username I use at all the WN boards (dianedeutsch). Quite frankly it's offensive and immature. The person who gave me the heads up thought it WAS me posting. Since the names are similar, the average person would probably not know we are 2 different people. I do not wish to be blamed for whatever posts this joker makes.

Trolls thrive on the reaction of the intended victim. If one responds in adult way (even to unadult conduct), they eventually give up and move on.

However, there are "trolls" that will provide acceptable debate. What would these be called? Troll-Lite?

I think there are at least two trolls, that I won't name since I don't have proof, that are pretending to be racialists, but are really antis.

In my view, there are infinite trolls, but they haven't shown up yet. Informants, fakers, etc. are more serious but still on the harassment level, unless they can get useful information.

Calling someone a troll is just an easy way to ignore their argument.

Craig,

I read you article and will now ignore all anti-white trolls, except in the one section reserved for them.

If Dozer wishes to present his arguments, he should go there. If I find him in other sections, I will ignore him.

Thank you for the article.

I read you article and will now ignore all anti-white trolls, except in the one section reserved for them.

What do you mean "reserved for them"? This is an open, free speech board. Surely you aren't trying to limit my free speech, are you?

What do you mean "reserved for them"? This is an open, free speech board. Surely you aren't trying to limit my free speech, are you?

I don't think that anyone cares about your rights, nigger.

I don't think that anyone cares about the your rights, nigger.


Perfect example of what life would be like if you morons take over the world.

"This is a free speech forum! Well, not for you and you, and not you either, and you can only speak in certain areas, and you can only speak when we say you can. But this is a forum for free speech! Honestly!"

Typical racist. Typical white man. Say one thing, mean another. No wonder you people can't pull together to agree on anything. You never know if you can trust the other guy. Who knows, maybe if you do ever take over America, your allies will pull the same shit on you.

"Non-aggression pact? Well, sure! But not for you, or you, or……”

What do you mean "reserved for them"? This is an open, free speech board. Surely you aren't trying to limit my free speech, are you?


I told you all we are dealing with a toothless, unemployable, functionally illiterate, low reading comprehension, nigger, didn't I?

Dozer, go back to the main menu and look up the opposition forum, that is where you belong. No, no one is limiting your free speech. You are still posting are you not?

All we ask is that you respect this forum and go to your proper place. It will give you practice when communities of whites begin to kick out all the undesireables.

Pay close attention to what will be happening to Detroit, your national nigger city. The blacks are being pused out of certain areas in order to bring back the white people who have money. This is being done by your Hip Hop Mayor because he needs more tax dollars. The only way he is going to get it is by convincing whites to move back in.

Dozer, go back to the main menu and look up the opposition forum, that is where you belong. No, no one is limiting your free speech. All we ask is that you respect this forum and go to your proper place.

Telling me where I can or can't post is a limit of my free speech. YOU whites set up this board to be unmoderated. YOU said it was free and uncensored. I'm just paying by YOUR rules, white man. Why would I let you limit me to just one part of the forum?

ANY limit to free speech makes it not free. Can you whites be intellectually honest enough to admit that?

Perfect example of what life would be like if you morons take over the world.

"This is a free speech forum! Well, not for you and you, and not you either, and you can only speak in certain areas, and you can only speak when we say you can. But this is a forum for free speech! Honestly!"

Typical racist. Typical white man. Say one thing, mean another. No wonder you people can't pull together to agree on anything. You never know if you can trust the other guy. Who knows, maybe if you do ever take over America, your allies will pull the same shit on you.

"Non-aggression pact? Well, sure! But not for you, or you, or……”


Typical nigger.....If he doesn't get his cake and eat it too, it must be the result of racism.

What we are talking about is setting up private white communities where we can keep niggers and other undesireables out. The best way to do this is to re-affirm private property rights that were taken away by the Civil Rights Act.

No one is taking anything away from you. We just want to make sure that we no longer support all of your children in foster care.

I don't think ideals of freedom, a solely White invention should EVER be extended to a non-white. Letting non-whites post here accomplishes nothing but letting shitskins get away with saying things they'd never say to a White man. I don't care too much about their typical sub-primate drivel, but I do care about them USING this forum. Just as they should not be allowed to use things meant for Whites, such as water, arable land, food, living space etc. they should not be allowed to use this forum for Whites, by Whites.

Perfect example of what life would be like if you morons take over the world.

"This is a free speech forum! Well, not for you and you, and not you either, and you can only speak in certain areas, and you can only speak when we say you can. But this is a forum for free speech! Honestly!"

Typical racist. Typical white man. Say one thing, mean another. No wonder you people can't pull together to agree on anything. You never know if you can trust the other guy. Who knows, maybe if you do ever take over America, your allies will pull the same shit on you.

"Non-aggression pact? Well, sure! But not for you, or you, or……”

As others have said, I do not think any "rights" should be extended to you, nigger. They should be reserved solely for Whites.

I don't think ideals of freedom, a solely White invention should EVER be extended to a non-white. Letting non-whites post here accomplishes nothing but letting shitskins get away with saying things they'd never say to a White man. I don't care too much about their typical sub-primate drivel, but I do care about them USING this forum. Just as they should not be allowed to use things meant for Whites, such as water, arable land, food, living space etc. they should not be allowed to use this forum for Whites, by Whites.
Good point. I really do not think "free speech" in the constitutional sense of the word applies to anonymous posting board where anyone can come in and say anything. You know Jews, Nigs, Spics. One really has no idea what type of person one is dealing with.
In the real world of course, one has a much better idea of who you are dealing with. Whites have control here (one of the few places left) and should keep it.

Telling me where I can or can't post is a limit of my free speech. YOU whites set up this board to be unmoderated. YOU said it was free and uncensored. I'm just paying by YOUR rules, white man. Why would I let you limit me to just one part of the forum?

ANY limit to free speech makes it not free. Can you whites be intellectually honest enough to admit that?

According to the article on Trolls, posted on this thread:


it says:

"When trolls find that their efforts are being successfully resisted, they often complain that their right to free speech is being infringed. Let us examine that claim."

http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm#WIAT

It goes on to say:

"The ultimate response to the 'free speech' argument is this: while we may have the right to say more or less whatever we want, we do not have the right to say it WHEREVER WE WANT (emphasis is mine)

You may feel strongly about the fact that your neighbour has not mowed his lawn for two months, but you do not have the right to berate him in his own living room. Similarly, if a webmaster tells a troll that he is not welcome, the troll has no "right" to remain. This is particularly true on the numerous free communications services offered on the net. (On pay systems, the troll might be justified in asking for a refund.)"

At the top of this page, it clearly states that this is "An Uncensored Forum for WHITES"

add that statement to the statement of Alex the owner, who says:

"This forum will be a free-speech forum. That means you can say pretty much whatever you want, as long as you stay away from anything illegal. If you're here to disrupt, we will dump you."

Add to the fact that there is a clearly marked "opposition" area and a description.

Nothing suggests that this is some of absolute unmoderated free speech forum as Dozer suggests, given all the clues and plain statements. It appears to me he has hallucinated this idea from thin air, and then accuses others of "intellectual dishonesty." That smells Jewish to me.

There is a clearly marked area for dissenting opinions. This Dozer character (who has already admitted to lying) either doesn't care or is too stupid or too lazy to figure it out.

Anyway, My name is Mike and this is the first time I've posted on this forum.

Nice to see you, Mike!

Yes, I agree: Tiresome, Rabid, Online-Living Losers, or trolls, should be confined to their own little areas. It would be best if obvious antis were therefore restricted to the anti-White forum.

If Dozer really wants to make good of himself, he'll support us on OUR "free speech" outside this board.

He wants his free speech here, but doesn't want ours in society.

Hmmmm... Dat is whacked!

Nice to see you, Mike!

Yes, I agree: Tiresome, Rabid, Online-Living Losers, or trolls, should be confined to their own little areas. It would be best if obvious antis were therefore restricted to the anti-White forum.

Nice to "see' you too :-)

Pretty typical though...White guy sets something up, then a stupid Africus-Americanoid can't figure out how to use it, follow civil rules, or contribute much of anything worthwhile, but demands "rights."

a microcosm of the real world?

Do you have self serve gas stations where you live? Some of these black idiots, when they weren't trying to rob the places, took FOREVER figuring out how to pump gas when self serve first came out. They just could not seem to grasp the concept. I never saw a white person have much trouble.

I am guessing some of them might have as many problems navigating the online world. Mastering the "mouse" can be difficult for some without "special education" I'm thinking, LOL

Gotta run..hi ho hi ho off to work I go, etc.

Do you have self serve gas stations where you live?

Yep, service is not something that permeats a socialist-controlled country, to say the least. Although you of course get five times more service at private corporations than in public institutions, just like in the rest of the world.


That story was interesting: but what to expect from 85 IQ mongrel experiments? I remember a story in All Quiet on the Western Front, about WWI: the main character notes that the Black platoons coming over with the Americans often did insanely stupid things, like smoking cigarettes when marching in the dark. When the Blacks working in the U.S. army nowadays shy away from combat duty I suppose they do it for a very good reason!

I've never been in the military, but a guy I talked to was in the Navy and according to him, they had women onboard. I'm not sure if I believe this guy's story or not, so I take it with a grain of salt.

Anyway, he told me that they had a fire onboard, and as they were holding on to the hose, I'm assuming in a row, a woman was in the group and let go of the hose, as she was not strong enough to hold on, and it snapped and hit the guy in front of her. He was lucky, according to my source, and wasn't hurt, but could have been.

This guy seemed honest at least, and knew quite few details. I only talked to him a couple of times.

I am kind of ranting, but if this is true, what in the hell are women doing in positions like that?

The world is getting crazier and crazier over here in the good ol' "land of the free" (sarcasm). Everything I read, like in your country Sweden and elsewhere seems to be following the same pattern.

The concept of an "ombudsman" is Swedish: these are people employed by the state who sue public institutions or private corporations on behalf of people who think they have been wronged. Lately, the ombudsmen have become extremely politicized, and therefore basically useless.

Anyway:

I was listening to the radio in the mid-90s and heard a story of how women training to be firefighters couldn't carry dummies out of smoke-filled buildings. The life-sized dummies, weighing the same as real ordinary people, were too heavy.

The Ombudsman for Whining Women heard of this, and what did she do? She called the head of the firefighter school and demanded lighter dummies!


Women that apply for military service are routinely placed as squad leaders, platoon leaders and company leaders. Thus the socialists achieve two goals: to give privileges to women, and to destroy our defense. Even though these women have volunteered for service, while men are drafted, they have much higher drop-out rates than men. (Of course, when a woman says she wants to quit, she gets her wish immediately. A man serving has to have his case tried by a board)

When I started out in the Homeguard Youth in high school I had no opinion at all about women in the military. I figured that girls who joined the Homeguard Youth would be as tough as the guys, otherwise they wouldn't join. After a few years, however, I was adamantly opposed to women having anything to do with the army. Every single one of the women I have seen in uniform have been below average. As a squad leader in the Homeguard Youth I knew that once the going got tough, the girls would be among the first to start whining, along with on average one soft guy. While the guys felt honor-bound to go on with clenched teeth, the girls didn't feel any reason to keep "playing" when it wasn't all fun anymore.

R. Cort Kirkwood has written excellently on this issue at LRC here (http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/kirkwood3.html)

In the early 1990s, I was a staff member on the Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces. The evidence the commission gathered was clear on one thing: Women don't belong in combat.

The concept of an "ombudsman" is Swedish: these are people employed by the state who sue public institutions or private corporations on behalf of people who think they have been wronged. Lately, the ombudsmen have become extremely politicized, and therefore basically useless.

Anyway:

I was listening to the radio in the mid-90s and heard a story of how women training to be firefighters couldn't carry dummies out of smoke-filled buildings. The life-sized dummies, weighing the same as real ordinary people, were too heavy.

The Ombudsman for Whining Women heard of this, and what did she do? She called the head of the firefighter school and demanded lighter dummies!
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Hi, sorry for the delay, I've been pretty busy this weekend. Thanks for the link. You more or less confirmed what my guy told me. I had trouble believing it because it seemed almost too bizarre to be true. Women in combat and dangerous duty? One of those that things that when you hear about, you think something like "that's too crazy...that can't be true..can it?"

I am a new poster but..you know I am looking around this forum and I can see how the people who seem to hate white guys talking together about racial and other things. It looks like they want to trash the place. I'm guessing they like it trashed cause it makes them feel at home, like some sort of "cool" chaotic sewer. I have already read enough complaints from them about their "free speech" and also "how everybody lies so of course I lie" (rationalization) and all the made up characters and false personnas to see where they are coming from I'm guessing you have too.

It is obvious they just want to trash the place.

Mostly they bore me to tears, but in my opinion, unless they are controlled upfront the forum cannot survive, and that is the job of management, in my opinion, as new members will get a whiff of all this "opposition" bullshit and take their business elsewhere.

It would not be an easy be a mod on this forum, but consider that on liberal or the usual PC-type forum, opposing voices are not allowed AT ALL usually.

Now I know I'm not a "pussy" by any means, and I know from past experience I can take apart any of these opposition types one on one, in the real world or online. In fact it's easy and anybody can do it. They are not brain surgeons by any means, and once a person pushes through the pseudo-intellectual sneer, you realize you are dealing with a frightened child, and they generally shoot themselves in the foot through their own incompetence.

But I'm not going to waste my time reading endless flame wars and one person I think said "feces throwing," In the same spirit that I generally avoid Walmart these days as the stores have become dirty and too Third-Worldish for my taste. It's not MY fault that Walmart has become what it's become, it's Walmart's decision. My power to change it is limited, but I can go elsewhere.

I want to talk to like minded individuals and even if we then disagree, which is inevitable, I hope we would be able to do so in a respectful manner.

Having said all that, I realize I'm a new guy around here so my word probably does not have much weight, if any. But my challenge to the management at this forum is to deal with the "opposition" problem before it is get's way out of hand. THEY would not give YOU a chance to say what's on YOUR mind, would they? If they don't care about your "free speech" why in the world should you care about theirs.

That's my 2 cents...thanks for listening

Mike

Look at PFC Lynch for example. Let's say she's your buddy on a 2 man fire team. She hits 40% of the targets, and you hit 80% of them. You run out of ammo and have to use bayonets. Could you count on a skinny girl by your side to finish off the rest of the enemy who are all men? That kid would be no help at all in hand-to-hand combat.

Yep, nobody would want to rely on a woman in any type of combat or that type of situation, It's crazy.

But my challenge to the management at this forum is to deal with the "opposition" problem before it is get's way out of hand. THEY would not give YOU a chance to say what's on YOUR mind, would they? If they don't care about your "free speech" why in the world should you care about theirs.

This has been an issue around here Mike (nice to meet you). I sort of agree with you. Other people make good points though, about how once censorship gets in the door - then it usually winds up censoring you. And, it's true that the types you are referring to usually manage to slime their way into just such positions that enable them to decide who can speak and who can't. My gut feeling is still, though, to throw the scum out and then fumigate the place.

But, even if they don't get tossed - it is easy to use the ignore feature on those you don't want to deal with. I've been using it, and it helps quite a lot. In the long run though, as more and more kike and nigger trash flock to this place (what better evidence does anyone need that PC is deadly boring - they come here to have a good time, rather than fall asleep on their own boards), something more than ignore is going to be needed.

This has been an issue around here Mike (nice to meet you). I sort of agree with you. Other people make good points though, about how once censorship gets in the door - then it usually winds up censoring you. And, it's true that the types you are referring to usually manage to slime their way into just such positions that enable them to decide who can speak and who can't. My gut feeling is still, though, to throw the scum out and then fumigate the place.

But, even if they don't get tossed - it is easy to use the ignore feature on those you don't want to deal with. I've been using it, and it helps quite a lot. In the long run though, as more and more kike and nigger trash flock to this place (what better evidence does anyone need that PC is deadly boring - they come here to have a good time, rather than fall asleep on their own boards), something more than ignore is going to be needed.

Hi Gott.

I agree with you as far as censorship in the macro sense of society as a whole. I do think everyone should say whatever they want to say and I am not for internet censorship in any way. But on a micro-level of an internet board, or somebody's house, then I think it's a different matter.

Yes there is the ignore function, and I am not running the show here. Maybe in time it will settle down. But my gut tells me that is has to be dealt with upfront, or the board will be a big flame war. Nothing wrong with flame wars, just not something I'm interested in participating in generally. although once in a while it is fun to just get in there and hack away :-)

Hi Gott.

I agree with you as far as censorship in the macro sense of society as a whole. I do think everyone should say whatever they want to say and I am not for internet censorship in any way. But on a micro-level of an internet board, or somebody's house, then I think it's a different matter.

Yes there is the ignore function, and I am not running the show here. Maybe in time it will settle down. But my gut tells me that is has to be dealt with upfront, or the board will be a big flame war. Nothing wrong with flame wars, just not something I'm interested in participating in generally. although once in a while it is fun to just get in there and hack away :-)


The flame wars will serve a purpose. In time, we will all know who to read and who to ignore. Those who are monitoring us will be forced to rumage through line after line of nonsense.

The flame wars will serve a purpose. In time, we will all know who to read and who to ignore. Those who are monitoring us will be forced to rumage through line after line of nonsense.

Hi Randolph

that's good point, it will become transparent given a little time

time will tell, but my feeling, even after a little time has passed it that it has to be dealt with upfront. Nice to "meet" you. I have to get going, things to do today, hope you are having a good one.

Oh, P.S. I have two books I am getting from the Library, "MEIN KAMPF."
I want to know what the hubbub is all about

And also "WEALTH OF NATIONS" by Adam Smith.

Both revolutionary works I guess but from two different viewpoints.

*nod* Both interesting books. But I think there are easier books to read than Wealth of Nations. mises.org probably has some suggestions.