I have never understood why so many white-righters embrace Christianity which is a foreign religion to their own ancestors?

The historical Jesus looked more like Saddam than David Duke!!

Jesus was a jew, he spoke aramaic! He was no doe-eyed white man!!

Christianity, Islam & Jews are all branches of the same foreign religion!

Christianity seeks to make us all the same.

Whites have more genes in common with the Romans than with Jesus & his group!

Christianity took over pagan holidays then attacked anyone standing up to the church.

Why don't whites go back to their own white-ancestor based religions??

Paging Gabrielle,...........................................................................................................................

Gabrielle is the Christian Identity kook that usually shows up in threads like this one. Just wait...........

Ah...'splains that. thanks. She can debate theology up, down, back and forward, and it still won't change the fact that Jesus was a camel jockey living with sand fleas when our kin were off creating civilization!

Goat and Goddess, I don't know why you accept the faulty premise that Jesus even existed since the burden of proof is on the believer, not the doubter. There is no evidence whatsoever that Jesus ever lived other than from the Book of Jewish Fables. There is evidence, however, to the contrary, the lack of any mention of Jesus by real world contemporary Roman historians being foremost. One of the best documented counterarguments to the Jesus myth is in the pages of the free thought classic, _The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors or Christianity Before Christ_ by Kersey Graves. Graves makes a sound case that the "christ" Jesus was merely a compilation of several antecedent Jews, wizards and other miracle-workers, real or imagined, who preceded the gospellers of glad tidings in the New Testament.

Goat and Goddess, I don't know why you accept the faulty premise that Jesus even existed since the burden of proof is on the believer, not the doubter. There is no evidence whatsoever that Jesus ever lived other than from the Book of Jewish Fables. There is evidence, however, to the contrary, the lack of any mention of Jesus by real world contemporary Roman historians being foremost. One of the best documented counterarguments to the Jesus myth is in the pages of the free thought classic, _The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors or Christianity Before Christ_ by Kersey Graves. Graves makes a sound case that the "christ" Jesus was merely a compilation of several antecedent Jews, wizards and other miracle-workers, real or imagined, who preceded the gospellers of glad tidings in the New Testament.

Maybe so. Inspirational myths perhaps, but inspirational nonetheless. Perhaps even more inspirational than Greek or Nordic myths, because they are about fighting with the real world villains we are still fighting, the Jews.

Revilo Oliver suggests as well that he likely did not exist but that the Jesus of Scripture so hated by the Talmudic Jew religion, may have been a composite figure who represented the Hellenized Jewry of Palestine and their opposition to the Pharisees and Sadducees. Hellenized Jews had more or less embraced the civilization "goddess" refers to under the great Greek King Antiochus Epiphanes, who made the gutter religion illegal. The Maccabees revolted and gained a short reprieve of independence from Aryan authority prior to the Romans reasserting it. The Romans were more tolerant than the Greeks and allowed the wicked pharasaical cult to flourish. Oliver suggested that Jesus represents the Hellenized Jews that were content with Roman and Greek culture and authority and their efforts to undermine the gutter religion which was an embarrassment to them and a parasitical social tax upon them. I believe this sort of historical understanding dovetails with what Arch Stanton has repeatedly shared at VNN rm about the temple tax system.

Fine point you raise there! I reckon though, I couldn't have started the debate if I had started out simply saying he never existed... or at least not take the tack I did.

Thanks for the heads up on the book, I will see if I can locate a copy! Apparently it is online at:

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/kersey_graves/16/index.shtml

Nice link, Goddess. Folks can go there and read Kersey's entire work. Here's a humorous excerpt from Chapter IX that establishes the tone of this well-researched book:

>Was Jesus Christ the "Lamb of God?" (John i. 9.) So was Chrishna styled "the Holy Lamb." The Mexicans, preferring a full- grown sheep, had their "Ram of God." The Celts had their "Heifer of God," and the Egyptians their Bull of God." All these terms are ludicrous emblems of Deity, representing him as a quadruped, as the title "Lamb of God" does Jesus Christ, a term no less ludicrous than the titles of the pagan Gods as cited above.<

It's interesting that the folks at infidels.org attach such a disclaimer as "don't believe anything you read from this book." What kind of puny infidels run that Web site anyhow?

Another good non-Jesus resource:

http://www.truthbeknown.com/

The articles links are on the left hand side.

And if you can get a copy of Acharya's book The Christ Conspiracy, you'll get more information than your local pastor knows existed. Acharya might rant a bit, but that's because her primary resource seems to be the late, great Gerald Massey. (Massey was heavily banned - and still is hard to find - for proving there was no such critter as Jesus nearly 90 years ago.)

strom used to have much or all of Revilo Oliver's "Origins of Christianity" on his web page, which I think was "revilo-oliver.com." book is in print available from a house in england that does lots of revisionist titles.

check it out. big discussion about the parallels with Zoroastrianism and Mithraism. also discusses the orgins of zoroastrianism and whether they may be considered semitic or aryan in origin; and finally it compares Christianity, Zoroastrianism, and the classical European paganisms for similarities and differences.

they were forced to. All who did not believe were killed. After a 1000 years of this no one rembered, and the poor people thought they were following their own religion. It was the most evil time of our peoples history, thanks to the Holy Roman Empire.

they were forced to. All who did not believe were killed. After a 1000 years of this no one rembered, and the poor people thought they were following their own religion. It was the most evil time of our peoples history, thanks to the Holy Roman Empire.

Wow sounds like one hardassed powerful religion. Maybe you guys should give it a second look. On the one hand you say it's pussy turn the other cheeck stuff, and on the other hand you say Charlemagne was out there offing bold Saxon chiefs. Well Carolus Magnus must have been one crafy mean warlord to off them Saxon chiefs huh? Guess ole Loki wasnt giving them the tips they needed to survive. Guess the wisdom gained at Mimir's well didnt make it off the runes into the brains of them chiefs. Just like Mercury Mithras Apollo and Dionysius all tied together couldnt save the Greek pagans from Constantine a few hundred years before that. See what I'm getting at? What is it about Christianity that allowed the first united Europe of "Christendom" to exist during the Middle ages?

I was at the Melbourne war meseum in Australia and we had a old veteran talking to us, any way there was this little cutie standing in front of me and when the veteran had finished speaking to our group she gave him one of those hippy buddist bows.

I was horrified a war veteran would be bowed by a white woman like some gook out in the rice patty.

I was at the Melbourne war meseum in Australia and we had a old veteran talking to us, any way there was this little cutie standing in front of me and when the veteran had finished speaking to our group she gave him one of those hippy buddist bows.

I was horrified a war veteran would be bowed by a white woman like some gook out in the rice patty.

Eeee gods, kikevoski is "horrified"! Another holocaust, ITZ!

Wow sounds like one hardassed powerful religion. Maybe you guys should give it a second look. On the one hand you say it's pussy turn the other cheeck stuff, and on the other hand you say Charlemagne was out there offing bold Saxon chiefs. Well Carolus Magnus must have been one crafy mean warlord to off them Saxon chiefs huh? Guess ole Loki wasnt giving them the tips they needed to survive. Guess the wisdom gained at Mimir's well didnt make it off the runes into the brains of them chiefs. Just like Mercury Mithras Apollo and Dionysius all tied together couldnt save the Greek pagans from Constantine a few hundred years before that. See what I'm getting at? What is it about Christianity that allowed the first united Europe of "Christendom" to exist during the Middle ages?


It was a slave religion beaten into them for over a 1000 years they had no choice, the Pagans never forced other to accept their beliefs they were much more civil and "White" then the evil jew religion.

It was a slave religion beaten into them for over a 1000 years they had no choice, the Pagans never forced other to accept their beliefs they were much more civil and "White" then the evil jew religion.

Looks like a mudblood to me, this "Jesus". If the sheep are willing to bow down to this master, who needs em?

This is what has to happen for a new faith, a new economic way of life. Histroy has to rubbed out, all who hold on to the old ways have to be killed. jesus freaks killed half of Europe for over 1000 years to force all to believe in thier evil plan. The Russian commies killed millions to force thier plans, and Moa in China did the same. Later in China the Emperior Clossed china to the outside world for over a 1000 to force his Plans.

As long as anyone remembers the old ways the new will never take root. There is no other way to make the people accept your teachings.

Humans are idiots, there has to be a leading class. The masses are not real people. They go about their lifes not having a clue of what they are or how they fit in with the Universe. They are tools work mules for the rich leading classes. The best slave is one who thinks it is free.

If you could get the masses to accept jesus you can get them to do anything you want them to do. That is life in the big city. Get use to it.

I have never understood why so many white-righters embrace Christianity which is a foreign religion to their own ancestors?
It happened mostly because some very determined criminals made it happen. Lets understand WHY, and then let us create a new Aryan religion to win our people back, yes to SAVE them!

The historical Jesus looked more like Saddam than David Duke!!

Jesus was a jew, he spoke aramaic! He was no doe-eyed white man!!

Christianity, Islam & Jews are all branches of the same foreign religion!

Christianity seeks to make us all the same.
Bear in mind there is NO solid PROOF that such a character named Yashua ben Daweed, or Yashua ben Yusuf actually lived in Palestine. Its all based on jewish hearsay that began a minimum of 50 yrs after the alleged events and was first written of by a Romanized kike named Flavius Iosephus. Be that as it may, your point is still taken, this is a kike god foisted upon Aryans, meant to enslave us to jews via desert dogshit dogma. This was the thing that drove me off christian crud when I was 11 yrs old. All I had to do was read The Illiad and I was cured forever of the kosher kadaver kult.

It has been a hard road ever since then. The bible pigs and their jew masters set right to work persecuting me twice as hard as they had previously for being a Roman Catholic. There is no helping it. I can't accept their garbage, nor should I, even for my self preservation. Really, to even attempt to be a christian now would be tantamount to suicide of the very worst sort. I think many Thoughtful Aryans are in the same state, and such a state is indeed to BE Aryan, in Mind as well as Body.

Be that as it may, we have no choice really but to recreate Aryan religion for ourselves and our posterity. That is why I've come to this particular thread, at this very time, on this very forum. I've thought this over for a LONG time and recent events have forced me to confront myself and admit that this is the issue of paramount importance to myself. I mean to start an Aryan church down here in Tucson and want your thoughts on the subject.


Whites have more genes in common with the Romans than with Jesus & his group!
Absolutely! And any new Aryan Religion needs to emphasize that sort of thing. I propose we lay on the Fertility Cultism pretty heavy for a while. I mean it! I have decided that nice bright green robes spangled with swastikas, crowned by an oak laurel will do for the priests. As a prospective priestess, what sort of getup would you like to wear? I mean to have an oak staff as the wand of my office too. Good solid phallic frolic!

We might make a symbol out of a stylized DNA molecular model too. It has a certain mystical look anyway. As Aryans, we have no hangups about Nature. We study the Mother Universe and the Creative Aryan Patriarch shapes the Universe according to His Aryan Will. Mind you, we try nothing to circumvent Nature in our dogma. We teach that all things are subject to Natural Law, which has traditionally been called the Dharma, and that all things have causes and effects, a notion traditionally called Kharma. We won't tolerate any bleating to Gawd for Deeevine Cheating!


Christianity took over pagan holidays then attacked anyone standing up to the church.
Sure. Ever see jews actually INVENT or CREATE something? Of course not! All they do is steal and lie, and such is their inborn proclivity. I did a nice little cablecast Tee Vee show on the very subject of jew-christians stealing their Betters' Holy Days and stuff a couple years ago. You can look over the web script, which I created for my audience here:
http://baldur.libertyforum.net:8079/AnteChristmas.html


Why don't whites go back to their own white-ancestor based religions??
Because many have invested all their worth in these desert diseases. Our job my Aryan Sister is to lead those with but a little dust upon their eyes back into the True Aryan Light. I've come to realize that without the White Revolution, there will be no Aryan Revelation so to speak. The converse is also apparently true. Our Movement lacks a proper Morality and Spirit.

I've looked a bit at some attempts to recreate Aryan Religion from this century. The very fact that folks have been trying this here and there shows that there is a need for it. In some cases, these attempts had to be attcked by the jews. These are the ones most worthy of study since its clear that our enemies decided that they were sufficiently threatening to warrant direct suppression. Have you looked into Dr. Pierce's Cosmotheism? How about Creationism? Both of these commend themselves according to the criterion aforementioned, yet both suffered the shortcoming of not appealing to enough of our Folk.

The problem with them was the same, they simply were too closely associated with old fashioned race hatred and not positive enough to win over the masses. The jew-christians WANT us to spend our efforts hating them, for then we play into their grubby paws. I've only seen this clearly very recently. Jew-christianity is the True Hate Complex and I don't propose that we try beating them at their own terminally sick games. Such would once again be tantamount to suicide, this time for us all. We need to learn to LOVE OUR OWN KIND, to KNOW what it means to BE ARYAN.

This has forced itself on me recently. My esophogeal ulcer is bleeding once again. Jews cause ulcers, 'tis true, but there are remedies besides immediately killing them. I recognize the Iron Kharmic Necessity of exterminating all kikes on the planet. This is a matter of survival also, not just for ourselves, but for any vertabrate terrestrial Life. But I'm no longer suited to contemplate this sort of stuff. Its killing me!

I think that our Movement is suffering in large from a similar problem. Some of us simply MUST devote ourselves to Aryan Spirituality, Aryan Morality, Aryan Religion. I'm well suited to this, as people who know me well know. In all truth, I now realize that my very worst enemies have deliberately baited me into taking the Low Road. I am leaving mere politics to those who are more capable than myself. I repent of politics!

Will you help me with this task of building Aryan Religion? We need to do this for our selves and our Race. The ball is in your court Aryan Goddess. I shall soon change my user id from T. Vespasian. MInd you, I admire old Titus some for what he did to the jews, but generaling and politcking are no longer for me. Such is my karma. Consider the Brahmans. They have endured horrific oppression at the hands of muslims, christians and jews, yet their religion still thrives. We have much to learn and more to teach. Appropos of teaching Aryans about Aryans, I'm linking a Powerpoint Presentation I did a few years ago on this subject. Have a look. It needs to be reworked no doubt, but most folks have liked it and found it instructive.

ftp://baldur.libertyforum.net/Presentations/Aryagan_Revised.ppt

There is no evidence outside of the New Testament that Jesus Christ ever existed. Indeed considering the supposed magnitude of some of his alleged miracles and the tumultus events in his life it is remarkable that the classical historians are silent about his existence.
Christianity along with democracy,capitalism and bolshevism are inventions of the Jew for the gradual weakening and eventual destruction of the Aryan race.
The only true religion for the Ario-Germanic peoples is Wotanism.
Wotanism is organic to our race and the god archetype of Wotan resides dormant and encoded in our genes. In times of racial/national calamity the Wotan archetype rises to the surface and he will arise again before too long mark my words.