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Sean Martin
January 8th, 2005, 09:32 PM
Ugly view of state schools
Study puts blame on disappearing funding via taxes. :confused:
By Bonnie Eslinger | Staff Writer
Published on Tuesday, January 4, 2005
URL: http://www.examiner.com/article/index.cfm/i/010405n_schools

California's schools are among the worst in the nation, with students ranking near the bottom of 50 states on national standardized tests, according to a study released Monday.

The 18-month study found that California's per-pupil spending is the lowest in the country and its student-teacher ratio is among the highest. The state has some of the least qualified teachers and lags in the building of schools, according to the Rand Corp. study.

"We have found problems in virtually all measurable aspects of the system," Rand researcher Stephen Carroll said.

Thirty years ago, Californians invested heavily in their public education system, resulting in schools that were consistently ranked among the nation's best, Carroll said.

But a voter-approved property tax limit and a change in how the state pays for schools, both passed in the 1970s, cut public education spending and led to a drop in quality, Carroll said.

State schools chief Jack O'Connell said California's schools are not only underfunded, they have a number of "unique and tremendous challenges."

The state has the largest population of K-12 students in the nation -- more than 6 million -- and at least 20 percent of those are English-language learners.

Even after adjusting for the state's large percentage of low-income students and English-language learners, California ranks only above Louisiana and Mississippi, according to the report.

Additionally, California K-12 schools have an average of 20.9 students per teacher, compared with the national average of 16.1. The state's rapidly growing student population has resulted in many districts hiring teachers with emergency credentials or student teachers going through the credential process. Just 46 percent of school districts in California require teachers to have full state certification in the subjects they teach, compared with 82 percent nationally.

The study also outlines how the state's K-12 school system, once a national model, has dropped in student achievement and other quality measures, following the 1978 passage of Proposition 13, the state's anti-tax initiative that changed how the state pays for schools. In the year before Proposition 13, California's local property tax revenue constituted 59 percent of total K-12 revenue. One year later, it had fallen to 23 percent, Carroll said, leaving cities to seek more funding from the state.

One of the results is that the state's annual per-student spending, about $400 above the national average in 1969-70, dropped $600 below the national average in 1999-2000. The state ranked 27th in per-student spending in 2001-2002.

Other areas in which California has dropped below many other states include teacher salaries and per-pupil spending on school facilities.

San Francisco's students are faring better than most in the state, according to the San Francisco Unified School District. The dollars spent per student, $6,822, is closer to the national average, and only 50 of The City's roughly 4,000 teachers are not fully credentialed. One area where San Francisco is doing worse than the state is in classroom size, with almost 14 more students per classroom than the California average for grades four through 12.

It is unlikely that voters will ever reverse Proposition 13, Board of Education President Dan Kelly said. "It was a taxpayer revolt that fueled it, so it carries a lot of emotional weight," he said. Instead, some school districts, such as San Francisco, have sought additional funds from their city's coffers and campaigned for special measures, like Proposition H passed last March, to enrich their school budgets.

STATE SCHOOLS LAGGING
California is below the national average on per-pupil spending, teacher qualification and classroom size:

U.S. California
Per-pupil spending $7,000 $6,400
Pupil-teacher ratios 16.1 to 1 20.9 to 1
State-certified teachers 82 percent 46 percent


Source: U.S. Department of Education, NCES, Digest of Education Statistics, 1999-2000

Correction

An editing error led to the incorrect statement that California ranks last nationwide in per-pupil spending. In fact, California is among the lowest in per-pupil spending.

Alex Linder
January 8th, 2005, 09:52 PM
I lived in California in the '70s when they passed Prop. 13. I remember how happy I was because they canceled summer school!

Ick, I wanted to play sports and read books.

There's no correlation between money spent and educational outcomes. They've studied it over and over. It's a convenient lie, fools most people, if for no other reason than you never hear anything in the media or from politicians but

- children are our future
- we must spend more on education.

Alex Linder
January 8th, 2005, 09:54 PM
spintro on freeschooling, ie homeschooling, the opposite of public schooling, ie slaveschools.




Homeschooling Illegal in Germany

Just like the facts about the "Holocaust." Only that may be disseminated which has been approved by ZOG. The jew's agenda for your kid? Ask Heidi Klum: breed with niggers and disappear forever as a distinct group, leaving the jews in control of the earth. Deutsche Welle reader reaction here. Here on restrictions narrowly averted in Czech Republic. Here more back in the U.S. Imagine a story about ZOG "public schools" written from the same perspective as this one on homeschoolers. ZOG's interest is not in educating your child, ZOG's interest in is preventing competition. A Christian mother who home-schools told the Beacon Journal that a lot of parents are afraid to say they are home schooling. "Why? Because they don't want somebody with an agenda showing up at their door telling them what they have to teach," the woman said. "They are afraid of losing their rights." Is that a reasonable fear? A social worker in a focus group said home schooling needs to be regulated and monitored. "If you have nothing to hide, then you shouldn't care about the fact that you are going to be monitored,'' she said. "If there are no big secrets, the child is learning and being taught, why would you be worried?" A newspaper's bias is always in favor of the state because the newspaper is part of the state. One researcher finds, studying adults who were homeschooled, that "one in 25 would not home-school his or her children, while about 1 in 8 wasn't." You'd find far higher percentages than that among public school teachers if you asked them whether they'd send their own kids to public schools. ZOG is a jealous ZOG, and it doesn't want anybody cultivating anti-ZOG attitudes among the sprouts. You may not be interested in the state, but the state is interested in you. Do you know who said that? In any case, you surely see that your kid is a "human resource," emphasis on resource. ZOG will make cannon/commercial fodder of him, which is named proper socialization. Note how jewlike the state, and the state's instruments, namely the newspapers and the "social workers." Homeschoolers must "prove" that they are operating in the child's interest. Christ, if that isn't chutzpah, what is? The future of homeschooling is clear, at least to this extent: because ZOG schools fail and will continue to fail, as they are set up to fail, their planned intellectual famine will continue to drive caring parents to homecultivate, which will in turn scare the state, resulting in bogus NEA and pseudo-independent consultants issuing "studies" that "prove" the "need" for greatly enhanced regulation. The eighties liberalization was a gross mistake, we now realize. Just as we allow No Child to Fall Behind in public schools, we allow No Child to Forge Ahead in homeschools. That's only fair, and we're all about equality here in democratic America, land of the free to agree. The calling card and cover story of the freeschool suppression counterreformation will be ZOG's great solicitude for the wellbeing, social and intellectual, of the young charges. The real motive will be attempt to assert droit-du-brainwash over fresh generations. When the number of homeschoolers hits ten million -- possibly long before that (it is 1-2 million now) -- the neocon jews will join forces with the liberal jews in denouncing homeschooling as hate schooling. Bet on it. Jews see public school as a draft for the short-pants set. Only an anti-semite would homeschool. The state department must keep files on the alarming rise in the numbers of parents who homeschool. "Not all home schoolers are going to like this, but this will be part of the aim of regulation - to ensure that even within a home-school environment, children are introduced to and exposed to the world of diversity in a liberal democracy, [said Rob Reich a homeschooling "researcher" at Stanford]. And who has the right to decide what's best for your kid? You or the jew? Why, the jew, obviously. Jews are gods on earth. Whatever they say goes. Until you, Aryan reader, say, "No. It ends here. The JEW goes.

Alex Linder
January 8th, 2005, 09:59 PM
on Grover Norquist and the anti-tax, but-don't-mention-race crowd...

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2004/01/12_402.html

Norquist calls it the "Leave-Us-Alone Coalition," a grouping of gun owners, the Christian right, homeschoolers, libertarians, and business leaders that he has almost single-handedly managed to unite. The common vision: an America in which the rich will be taxed at the same rates as the poor, where capital is freed from government constraints, where government services are turned over to the free market, where the minimum wage is repealed, unions are made irrelevant, and law-abiding citizens can pack handguns in every state and town. "My ideal citizen is the self-employed, homeschooling, IRA-owning guy with a concealed-carry permit," says Norquist. "Because that person doesn't need the goddamn government for anything."

...

As early as the sixth grade, Norquist, now 47, remembers arguing with classmates over the Vietnam War. "Suzy somebody thought Nixon was a fascist and [Alger] Hiss was a good guy," he says. Thanks to a fire sale at his local public library in Weston, Massachusetts, he picked up several books by J. Edgar Hoover and Whittaker Chambers on the communist threat. At 12, he was volunteering for Richard Nixon's 1968 presidential campaign. After church, his father would buy him and his three younger siblings ice-cream cones and then steal bites, announcing with each chomp, "Oops, income tax. Oops, sales tax."

These are the anecdotes Norquist offers up to explain how his obsession took hold. Politics hit him like puberty, and he has never looked back. "From the moment he gets up to the moment he gets to bed, he thinks, 'How am I going to hurt the other team?'" says Stephen Moore, the president of the anti-tax group, the Club for Growth. "One time I was telling Grover about this woman I met. Most guys would say, 'Oh, is she really good-looking?' or something like that. Grover said, 'Is she good on guns?' He was being totally serious."

Sean Martin
January 8th, 2005, 10:28 PM
The high school I attended was not poor but not wealthy and we always scored in the top ten of the state. After I graduated they spent ten million dollars remodeling the building began hosting foreign exchange students to increase diversity, more programs for those that can’t learn and activities to reward students for doing what was expected of us.

Now it has degenerated into a cesspool with drugs (not many groids) and low scores.

The problem---- not enough money to properly operate and motivate the students.


Right?

Alex Linder
January 8th, 2005, 11:22 PM
The high school I attended was not poor but not wealthy and we always scored in the top ten of the state. After I graduated they spent ten million dollars remodeling the building began hosting foreign exchange students to increase diversity, more programs for those that can’t learn and activities to reward students for doing what was expected of us.

Now it has degenerated into a cesspool with drugs (not many groids) and low scores.

The problem---- not enough money to properly operate and motivate the students.


Right?

They always claim that, and they never listen to counterevidence. Such as: white kids from households making under 10k do better than nig kids from households making 70k plus.

Or, white South Dakota kids scoring much higher than D.C. niggers, even though per-pupil spending is roughly double - 5k vs 10k.

As with everything else, facts interest the truth seeker and a sliver of the specialists. The rest are politicians of different shades, looking to fill their purse.

King_Tiger
January 8th, 2005, 11:40 PM
Does anyone have statistics on the relationship between average school performance and number of non-whites in the state? I have a hunch that California, DC, Mississippi and the like perform in the lower half while states such as North Dakota, West Virginia, and Utah rank higher. (PA would be up there, were it not for that shithole in the southeast known as Niggerdelphia- the City of Niggers)