View Full Version : Is Captain Beefheart the wierdest band ever?
Kind Lampshade Maker
January 10th, 2005, 02:17 PM
I saw the re-run, last night. See the video:
http://www.beefheart.com/filtered/
"...I'm Gonna Booglarize Ya Baby - video 5,584K. Recorded live for German TV's Beat Club in 1972. A superb performance, made unmissable for the Captain's bizarre appearance. Sound and picture quality are tops, guaranteed to be givin' you the willies..."
http://tinypic.com/17xs3s
Hadding
January 10th, 2005, 03:59 PM
I saw the re-run, last night. See the video:
http://www.beefheart.com/filtered/
"...I'm Gonna Booglarize Ya Baby - video 5,584K. Recorded live for German TV's Beat Club in 1972. A superb performance, made unmissable for the Captain's bizarre appearance. Sound and picture quality are tops, guaranteed to be givin' you the willies..."
http://tinypic.com/17xs3s
Captain Beefheart is Don VanVliet. He is an oddball, and his music is odd too; you really have to be looking for something different to listen to him much. His parents didn't make him go to school but let him stay home and paint. His painting easily qualifies as entartete Kunst, and certainly a lot of his music, especially the later stuff, could be described the same way. If you want to hear an early Beefheart tune that is catchy, download "Zigzag Wanderer" or the album Safe as Milk from which it comes.
Don VanVliet is a talented weirdo and I assume that he has no sympathy for our cause, at least none that he would admit. If you can find any pro-White racial overtone in his music, tell me. The discussion really has nothing to do with the general purpose of this messageboard as far as I can tell. However, since the subject was raised there are my two cents. I used to listen to this stuff (and a lot of other strange music), before I had a clear idea of who I was.
Herman van Houten
January 11th, 2005, 02:36 AM
Dachau Blues
Those Poor Jews
:)
MOMUS
January 11th, 2005, 02:43 AM
"I need some bas-relief!" That's the only lyric that I remember from Beefheart.
For weird or for talent he can't hold a candle to Frank Zappa.
Kind Lampshade Maker
January 11th, 2005, 05:51 AM
"I need some bas-relief!" That's the only lyric that I remember from Beefheart.
For weird or for talent he can't hold a candle to Frank Zappa.
Everyone knows Zappa clowned around alot. Cappie Beefheart gave me the impression that he was serious, meaning he didn't know he was crazy which is a symptom of being wierd
DJ_Zarathustra
January 11th, 2005, 07:57 AM
Don VanVliet is a talented weirdo and I assume that he has no sympathy for our cause, at least none that he would admit. If you can find any pro-White racial overtone in his music, tell me. The discussion really has nothing to do with the general purpose of this messageboard as far as I can tell. However, since the subject was raised there are my two cents. I used to listen to this stuff (and a lot of other strange music), before I had a clear idea of who I was.
I'm sure Beefheart has no sympathy for WN, but his example is relevant to our cause, at least marginally.
Beefheart and a few others, such as Syd Barrett, are examples of a particular type of creativity which is unique to white men. Much has been written by music critics--a useless group if ever there was one--about how black blues and jazz musicians were "ripped off" by whites, who took the negro music and used it for their own gain. The implication is always that whites don't have enough talent and originality to come up with something on their own. (Of course, none of these enlightened souls would ever dream of criticizing black athletes for playing games invented by whites) Beefheart, who began as a fairly conventional blues singer, has never had this charge levelled against him. The critics know, even if they won't admit it, that he took the blues form and extended it far beyond anything that a black musician ever did, or could hope to do. Blacks, or their many jew hack imitators, simply do not have the particular intellectual and artistic mindset to do something like Trout Mask Replica .
Regarding Beefheart versus Zappa, it should be noted that Zappa was a brilliant satirist and an angry man who despised both conventional (i.e., white) American society, and its "counterculture", into which he was inevitably included. He mocked both hippies and "straights" in his early career. Beefheart did not have a satirical bone in his body. His was more of a "pure" art form; almost naive or childlike at times. I agree with KLM that Beefheart was most likely not aware of just how strange he seemed to most listeners. He was also not aware of just how cruel and manipulative he could be to his musicians. Guitarist Jeff Cotten had a nervous breakdown after being subjected to living for a year in a house with the rest of the band, all of them struggling to meet Beefheart's impossible standards.
A generation of young white musicians raised on self-referential, bland, safe-for-ZOG rock music cannot hope to produce an innovator like Beefheart, or Zappa, or Barrett. That era is long gone, and it won't be coming back. Even if one doesn't like rock or other "black-influenced" forms, these men should be held up as examples of white peoples' unique ability to take music in directions that no other race can.
Dasyurus Maculatus
January 11th, 2005, 10:13 AM
Zappa was some sort of Tczechoslovakian by genetics, and birth? and had real problems translating Tczech names into English.
The Tczech names Detlev and Magda, were mistransliterated by him; and so his two kids became Moon Unit and Dweezil instead.
What a very very sad man.
:(
Kind Lampshade Maker
January 11th, 2005, 11:16 AM
....not aware of just how cruel and manipulative he could be to his musicians. Guitarist Jeff Cotten had a nervous breakdown after being subjected to living for a year in a house with the rest of the band...
It was only through Jeff Cotton’s breaking which prepared him for fitting into this band. You could see what I mean by the way they used to move on stage
Kind Lampshade Maker
January 11th, 2005, 06:06 PM
Captain Beefheart is Don VanVliet.... His parents didn't make him go to school but let him stay home and paint. His painting easily qualifies as entartete Kunst, and certainly a lot of his music....
Perhaps he should have named 1 of his albums "Home School"
White Winger
January 11th, 2005, 07:24 PM
Zappa was some sort of Tczechoslovakian by genetics, and birth? and had real problems translating Tczech names into English.
The Tczech names Detlev and Magda, were mistransliterated by him; and so his two kids became Moon Unit and Dweezil instead.
What a very very sad man.
:(
I've always heard and read,that he was 100% Italian/Sicilian,and some other mediterranean stuff.
whipcracker
January 11th, 2005, 07:45 PM
"Her Eyes Are A Blue Million Miles" is one of my favorite songs.
Yes, I'll admit it, I like Captain Beefheart.
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