Here is an example of a successful movement. It's not achieved its desired social results on a grand scale, but I think it offers an example of something that promises to be successful in the future.

I tend to agree with most of New Urbanism's critique of the environment, and its biggest flaw is that it does not address or account for the racial factor in the "suburban nation" phenomenon.

If anybody is interested say so. I've shared this topic with some people and it seems hardly anybody besides developers and architects cares.

http://www.newurbanism.org/pages/416429/index.htm

I read the first sentence of their description and I already like them:

"NEW URBANISM promotes the creation and restoration of diverse, walkable, compact, vibrant, mixed-use communities composed of the same components as conventional development, but assembled in a more integrated fashion, in the form of complete communities."



Here is an example of a successful movement. It's not achieved its desired social results on a grand scale, but I think it offers an example of something that promises to be successful in the future.

I tend to agree with most of New Urbanism's critique of the environment, and its biggest flaw is that it does not address or account for the racial factor in the "suburban nation" phenomenon.

If anybody is interested say so. I've shared this topic with some people and it seems hardly anybody besides developers and architects cares.

http://www.newurbanism.org/pages/416429/index.htm

the best book representing this view is by James Howard Kunstler, "Geography Of Nowere"

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0671888250/ref=pd_bxgy_text_1/103-7027392-2299010?v=glance&s=books&st=*

the details about changes to zoning codes etc: "Home from Nowhere"

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0684837374/103-7027392-2299010?v=glance

I'll have to check em out. I really, really hope this stuff catches on. Good god, people might talk to their neighbors and stuff. Actual communities! :D


the best book representing this view is by James Howard Kunstler, "Geography Of Nowere"

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0671888250/ref=pd_bxgy_text_1/103-7027392-2299010?v=glance&s=books&st=*

the details about changes to zoning codes etc: "Home from Nowhere"

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0684837374/103-7027392-2299010?v=glance

I like the web site, thanks. I imagine you will get whacked for this here on VNN. This concept doesn't include the standard WN digging potatoes out of the ground with a hand carved shovel. I'm a city boy though. Hard to say why since I grew up on a small farm. Maybe a couple of years living in Europe where I could walk to twenty restaurants, drink coffee or wine in an outdoor cafe, and on a whim, grab three or four friends and take a train to the next city to peruse a museum and train back that evening, altered my tastes.

Sadly, I don't think urban renewal has a chance here in the US, at least not on a big or permanent scale. Decades of idiot liberals and their pet Negroes, corporate capitalists with their cheap foreign labor, and an insane government destroying the US economy on endless war, makes any optimistic picture of the future here unrealistic.

This web site shows the choices that back in the 50s and 60s we thought we would have. Alas!

Thanks again though, I'll enjoy the site, now and again.

Enkidu

I like the web site, thanks. I imagine you will get whacked for this here on VNN. This concept doesn't include the standard WN digging potatoes out of the ground with a hand carved shovel. .........
Enkidu

Thanks for your kind words. However, I expect there are many thoughtful people who read this page and will find this instructive. Also, I have shared the Road to Nowhere book with Kievsky and he found it worthwhile. And, he is one of our greatest exponents of gardening.

When they say "mixed use" planning, they mean that commercial and residential be interspersed instead of separated. I think that home gardening dovetails nicely with the new urbanism.

Also, I have shared the Road to Nowhere book with Kievsky and he found it worthwhile. And, he is one of our greatest exponents of gardening.

I admit I kind of had Kievsky in mind. He is an old friend of several years and several forums. I remember (affectionately) a post by him somewhere extolling the virtues of working on a tractor in freezing weather. I think it was him. I don't envy him his latest job at the slaughter house, but I do admire him and his efforts. Not for me though.

Sometime between now (like today if I get annoyed enough) and March, I will be permanently leaving the work force. I'll have lots of time on my hands to pursue my curiosities.

I'm hearing rumors of communities as described on the new urbanism web site. A trip around the country (sadly by auto) checking the phenomenon out could be interesting.

Enkidu

Similar movement in this area called "Smart Growth". Aim is to preserve farmland by concentrating people in planned communities. Real estate developers love it, as it provides denser building.
Two comments: one, this may be workable if freedom of association is allowed. HA. Two, this really removes children from the natural world they would otherwise discover. Tree houses, forts, and dams are not included in the planning. The examples I've seen do not include garden space, either.
While retaking the cities sounds romantic, the infrastructure has been allowed to degrade to the point new construction is about the only real choice.

smart developers love it, the usual idiots do not, because there are numerous infrastructure investments that have to be made such as sidewalks, which increases the overall prices of each unit sold and tends to decrease sidewalks. new urbanism definitely appeals to a certain idealistic view of human community.

unfortunately under the Fair Housing Act, we are denied the right to choose to live among our own kind. They are not biting off this portion of the apple; but I think that their efforts are laudable nonetheless and like environmentalism, it may be a proxy for people who share some of our concerns.

I predict massive opposition from automakers and oil cartels.

Hell, every time the automakers are forced to do or compete with anything or anyone, they cry it will be the death of them...increased fuel efficiency...catalytic converters....airbags...all would "ruin" them.

Looks like part of this plan (http://www.americanpolicy.org/prop/speech.htm).

I predict massive opposition from automakers and oil cartels.

Hell, every time the automakers are forced to do or compete with anything or anyone, they cry it will be the death of them...increased fuel efficiency...catalytic converters....airbags...all would "ruin" them.

you observe correctly that it is opposed to the automobile lifestyle

which if you ask me, sucks. lots of wasted time and money spent on cars.

problem with new urbanism, they dont say the why of it all: getting away from crime, means, Whites getting away from nonWhites. simple as that.

Once the fancy wrapper is off this type plan, I think you'll find it would lead to the virtual serfdom of the lower and middle class.
Harder to "get the hell out of Dodge", without a Dodge. So to speak. Reversal of gains made by independent transportation. Where's my flying car, damnit?!

Once the fancy wrapper is off this type plan, I think you'll find it would lead to the virtual serfdom of the lower and middle class.
Harder to "get the hell out of Dodge", without a Dodge. So to speak. Reversal of gains made by independent transportation. Where's my flying car, damnit?!

on the contrary. life in Europe shows there are innumerable social benefits to an urban lifestyle, which apply mostly to the benefit of the lower and middle classes, like mass transit being FAR less expensive than having a car, paying for insurance gas parking etc.

plus the innumerable social benefits of being close to other people.

the reason why we want to "get out of Dodge" in the first place, is mostly because "DODGE CITY" is a disaster not due to cowboys, but niggers who act like cowboys and sheriff that is either absent or picking on the lawful citizens instead of the cowboys.

the car culture offers a cheap and easy way for White flight to occur and relieve the social tension generated by the utopian social engineering schemes represented by the FAIR HOUSING ACT and the like.

But again, New Urbanism wont come to grips with this angle openly, which in my opinion is its major weakness.

you observe correctly that it is opposed to the automobile lifestyle

which if you ask me, sucks. lots of wasted time and money spent on cars.

problem with new urbanism, they dont say the why of it all: getting away from crime, means, Whites getting away from nonWhites. simple as that.

Automaker lobbyists will put pressure on the government to alter zoning laws to prevent this from ever happening, and advertisements depicting "new urbanism" proponents as effeminate hippy-like kooks will surface.

It's not so much that I observe correctly, it struck me as common sense..maybe reading all that Machiavelli, Sun Tzu, and Business Week has let it become second nature to me, who knows.

I'm sure that will go over alot of heads because it has nothing to do with jews, but its still relevant to how the very capitalistic nature of "the system" can be used to crush anything or anyone.

I'm beginning to suspect the unholy jew-WASP alliance is really the heart of this entire "ZOG" matter.

http://www.newtrains.org/pages/354050/index.htm

I especially like this part. The Japs and Euros have much better trains than America, the newest ones in Japan can do like 280 mph. I wish we had this kind of stuff. It would probably be cheaper than a car, even if you took the train every day. Plus, it would be much faster than waiting in city traffic, and much better for the environment.

Nobody around here (especially women) ever rides the trains past dark unless they are in a group. Negroes on the prowl.

Europe is not N. America. 2500 miles across. Mass transit not only doesn't work here, it can't work here. Uless everyone is centralised in micromanaged biospheres. We can't find expession living as free as we are now. Absolutely no hope of escaping tyranny under that model. I never bought into that "driving is a privledge" notion.

You are apparently unaware of the history of "streetcars" around which most towns were built prior to WW2 and the postwar building boom.

Mass transit DID work in the USA prior to the Big War.

You are apparently unaware of the history of "streetcars" around which most towns were built prior to WW2 and the postwar building boom.

Mass transit DID work in the USA prior to the Big War.

I was born (1945) and raised about 20 miles south and east of Houston. I never saw it , but I was raised hearing stories of the trollies and inter-urban railroads that connected Houston with Galveston and many small towns.

I did get to ride on the trollies in LA once. We were staying with my mother's parents for a while in 1949 and my mom took me to the Barnum and Bailey Circus on the trolley line. Were they called 'Red Caps?' Anyone who knows help out here.

Population density was less than it is now and this stuff worked just fine.

Enkidu