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DJ_Zarathustra
January 13th, 2005, 10:31 PM
Those of you who are not into electronic music may never have heard of a black DJ/producer who calls himself Afrika Bambaataa. He's an innovator, you see--a shining example of African-American originality and genius. Here's a short bio from oldschoolhiphop.com:

"Afrika Bambaataa is undoubtedly one of hip hop's godfathers.

As a teenager in the mid-1970's, he fell into the Black Spades gang, but had a different interest than causing trouble.

Bam started deejaying in 1970.

He had a passion for buying records (he would later be known as the "Master of Records") and his tastes were very diversified from rock to r&b to African sounds to Latin, calypso, and classical. Although Kool Herc was the top DJ at the time, Bam knew he owned most of the same records as Herc so he decided to start playing on his own.

His ideological influences ran the gamut of the black political leaders of the time. He saw the film Zulu which depicted the battle between British troops and the Zulu tribe in 1879. The British seem victorious before they are overwhelmed by the numbers of Zulus who spare their lives. He took his name "Afrika Bambaataa" which meant "affectionate leader" from the movie. In 1974 Bam decided to form his own Zulu Nation to help assemble what he referred to as "the elements" of the culture into organization. He original crew was called The Organization, but after two years he changed it into the Zulu Nation. It was a break dance crew at first but then grew to include rappers, deejays, and graffiti artists.

He is often credited with naming the culture 'hip hop' ".

Kraftwerk percussionist Wolfgang Flur has a different take on Mr. Bambaataa.
From his autobiography Kraftwerk: I Was a Robot:

"However, some other unusual things I like less. One such episode occurred in 1982 with a certain Afrika Bambaataa (whom I prefer to call "Bambus"), who released an album called Planet Rock with a gentleman by the name of Arthur Baker. The pair put together a hip-hop rap album on which they mixed parts of [Kraftwerk compositions] 'Numbers' and 'Trans Europe Express' for a single release, turning out an American-style piece of music. They didn't even ask in the first place whether Kraftwerk was in agreement with this, let alone pay for the use of the [music] samples. This is the nastiest kind of theft!...In fact, the company that had released the single, Tommy Boy Records, had to fork out a lot of money after the event [Kraftwerk's lawsuit], but they just increased the price of the single (which was then selling by the cartload) by $1, and through this they quickly recouped their fine."

Jigs be plagiarizin' an' shit. But no stern condemnations will be issued forth from the jew-owned music press. That type of moralizing is reserved for white artists such as Elvis Presley and Led Zeppelin, who stole from the innocent negro songwriters and laughed all the way to the bank. Or so it would seem.

SheerTerror
January 14th, 2005, 09:46 AM
Is there anywhere I can check out some Kraftwerk? I've always been curious about em, since I was in Jr High. But, the people I knew that listened to that also listened to Throbbing Gristle, who I fucking can't stand.

Those of you who are not into electronic music may never have heard of a black DJ/producer who calls himself Afrika Bambaataa. He's an innovator, you see--a shining example of African-American originality and genius. Here's a short bio from oldschoolhiphop.com:

"Afrika Bambaataa is undoubtedly one of hip hop's godfathers.

As a teenager in the mid-1970's, he fell into the Black Spades gang, but had a different interest than causing trouble.

Bam started deejaying in 1970.

He had a passion for buying records (he would later be known as the "Master of Records") and his tastes were very diversified from rock to r&b to African sounds to Latin, calypso, and classical. Although Kool Herc was the top DJ at the time, Bam knew he owned most of the same records as Herc so he decided to start playing on his own.

His ideological influences ran the gamut of the black political leaders of the time. He saw the film Zulu which depicted the battle between British troops and the Zulu tribe in 1879. The British seem victorious before they are overwhelmed by the numbers of Zulus who spare their lives. He took his name "Afrika Bambaataa" which meant "affectionate leader" from the movie. In 1974 Bam decided to form his own Zulu Nation to help assemble what he referred to as "the elements" of the culture into organization. He original crew was called The Organization, but after two years he changed it into the Zulu Nation. It was a break dance crew at first but then grew to include rappers, deejays, and graffiti artists.

He is often credited with naming the culture 'hip hop' ".

Kraftwerk percussionist Wolfgang Flur has a different take on Mr. Bambaataa.
From his autobiography Kraftwerk: I Was a Robot:

"However, some other unusual things I like less. One such episode occurred in 1982 with a certain Afrika Bambaataa (whom I prefer to call "Bambus"), who released an album called Planet Rock with a gentleman by the name of Arthur Baker. The pair put together a hip-hop rap album on which they mixed parts of [Kraftwerk compositions] 'Numbers' and 'Trans Europe Express' for a single release, turning out an American-style piece of music. They didn't even ask in the first place whether Kraftwerk was in agreement with this, let alone pay for the use of the [music] samples. This is the nastiest kind of theft!...In fact, the company that had released the single, Tommy Boy Records, had to fork out a lot of money after the event [Kraftwerk's lawsuit], but they just increased the price of the single (which was then selling by the cartload) by $1, and through this they quickly recouped their fine."

Jigs be plagiarizin' an' shit. But no stern condemnations will be issued forth from the jew-owned music press. That type of moralizing is reserved for white artists such as Elvis Presley and Led Zeppelin, who stole from the innocent negro songwriters and laughed all the way to the bank. Or so it would seem.

JacksonInTheValley
January 14th, 2005, 10:10 AM
There are rap "artists" who have built their entire careers this way. I don't think Puff Daddy (or whatever it calls itself these days) has written an original piece of music yet.

revoltingslave
January 14th, 2005, 12:56 PM
I also recall an incident where jig bambaata was quoted as saying (on Kraftwerk) "Them some funky white boys"

DJ_Zarathustra
January 15th, 2005, 08:01 AM
Is there anywhere I can check out some Kraftwerk? I've always been curious about em, since I was in Jr High. But, the people I knew that listened to that also listened to Throbbing Gristle, who I fucking can't stand.

The only thing those two bands have in common is that they both use electronic instruments. TG was experimental and industrial, Kraftwerk is essentially a "pop" band--carefully crafted melodies and rhythms, although they had their experimental moments also (Radio-Activity, for example).

Someone put together a "beginner's guide" to Kraftwerk at amazon.com. 30-second audio samples are available from most of their albums.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/guides/guide-display/-/28Z2I24UIQ27O/qid=1105795797/sr=18-1/ref=sr_18_1/102-3669885-0279338

You could also check your local public library for Kraftwerk CDs.

DJ_Zarathustra
January 15th, 2005, 08:12 AM
I also recall an incident where jig bambaata was quoted as saying (on Kraftwerk) "Them some funky white boys"

He's not only a musical genius, but damned articulate, too. Translated into human language, what he means is, "Those white men have made compelling and original electronic music, inspiring a legion of rip-off artists, of which I am one."

White Winger
January 15th, 2005, 12:15 PM
He's not only a musical genius, but damned articulate, too. Translated into human language, what he means is, "Those white men have made compelling and original electronic music, inspiring a legion of rip-off artists, of which I am one."


Maybe,but,no jiggarilla has ever been capable,of such an articulate statement-the word "articulate" is still as foreign a word to them,as it's ever been.

DJ_Zarathustra
January 15th, 2005, 10:02 PM
Maybe,but,no jiggarilla has ever been capable,of such an articulate statement-the word "articulate" is still as foreign a word to them,as it's ever been.

No, WW, he IS capable of saying it. If Wolfgang Flur wrote that sentence in crayon on a sheet of paper, using large block lettering, gave it to Bambaataa and then held a pistol to his nappy head, he COULD say it, albeit with a thick ebonic accent.

But Mr. Flur, like most white men, is far too compassionate to do such a thing.

Border Ruffian
January 21st, 2005, 01:28 PM
Kraftwerk site http://www.kraftwerk.com/ Has some samples and simple theme animations for their well-known tracks. These are just loops though. Lots of newer samples under "info". Eye and ear candy. Might want to skip it if you have old computer or slow connection.