As a dedicated non-racist ask yourself this question; would your ideal multi-racial society function better if it were free of White racists? Your answer is most probably “Good God Yes!” OK, so what if you could get all the White racists to voluntarily leave? Well, if we could create a White Nationalist homeland most of us would. In fact, the more extreme the racist, the more likely he would be to migrate to the White Nation. You as a non-racist would then have a powerful tool; anytime a new racist emerged in your mystery meat utopia, you could challenge them to put their money where their mouth is and go live with the other racists. We, in turn, could do the same when insane lunatics in our nation start to question the wisdom of our racial policies. We could send them to you to experience the wonders of racial divershitty firsthand. Also, if you are so certain that we racist are a bunch of idiots who can’t succeed on our own, this would be your big chance to prove it. If we screw it up, we have only ourselves to blame. Likewise, you will get a chance to prove that your system can actually work in the absence of evil, White, racists bastards. As this is the course that we have already chosen, you really have nothing to lose by supporting us. The only reason that I can see that a non-racist would not support White Nationalism would be if they are afraid that we are right. It seems that Mr. Linder is correct when he says that there is no intelligent opposition to White Nationalism, racist or non-racist.

']No-one is "told" where they have to live though. Think of it this way, if WN's moved into my city in great numbers I'd leave, theres nothing stopping WN's moving out of their multicultural cities if they aren't happy there. Iceland might just be the place for you! :)

That would be fine, except that anytime we try to seperate ourselves the government steps in and says that we can't. Its not nice to make the featherless bipeds feel dis-scriminated.

']Definately.

I think the major problem with the constant WN's versus Anti's argument is that for some crazy reason both parties believe that they can change each others minds on racial matters.

Agreed. :D Welcome to the extremist fringe, you are a White Nationalist now, albiet a non-racist one. But welcome anyway.

']Definately.

I think the major problem with the constant WN's versus Anti's argument is that for some crazy reason both parties believe that they can change each others minds on racial matters.

Up to the 20th century, thereabouts, White Nationalist arguments & sentiments were the norm. Then along came Jewish Nationalists to change that norm. Jewish Nationalists in turn won't last forever. (I mean, really. Their racial survival strategy amounts to coating themselves in petroleum jelly.)

The Babel myth works well here. Notice the telling ASSUMPTION of a single language and, if interpreted racially, a single people. Only after the collapse of Babel does the myth acknowledge separate peoples. Does that seem likely? For there to be separate peoples after but not before? It's propaganda. Very familiar propaganda. A groove into which human history tends to slide.

People change their minds significantly every generation or so. There's that saying, "When the student is ready the master will appear." In this case we have a ruling ideology & many rival ideologies. Each of dozens of rival ideologies might conceivably come to embody that change of mind. We're gambling against a future overshadowed by depleting our oil, accumulating high rates of carcinogens, & the collapse of the American economy. There are other possibilities, of course, & combinations of disasters. (Like the "military government" remarks General Tommy Franks made to Cigar Aficionado.) We're gambling that the current system will fall & that if another comes -- if the world does not nuke itself into prehistory (again?) -- then it will be a different system & necessarily a harmonious system. We've shredded our human cultures. We've shredded our earth. (That isn't to say I'm an eco-fanatic, only that I for one pay attention to the simple fact that thousands of chemicals are being released into the environment whose place in the ecology -- whose effects -- are not known. More each year.) We've shredded our genomes & our economies. In short, tick tick tick.

History changes people's minds. An opinion simply gives another person the awareness of another option.

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67, Thank you for the civil and intelligent debate. However, I hate to seem petty but you seem to be displaying some hyprocrisy here:

I'm not a WN because I don't like some of the undesirables that latch on to you, and as long as WN's allow them to do so the vast majority of anti-racists will never help/support you.

and

People stereotype each other too much. Think of it this way. I'm an anti-racist, but what really annoys me is that most people who go on anti-racist marches are "professional" protesters.

But the difference is that the undesirables that latch onto WN actually support you in way.

You're right here, and that is why I will be proudly stand with them and not insult them by holding myself out to be much less undesirable than they. In fact, that goes for anyone; to the extent that they agree with us is to their credit.

To be honest every anti-racist I know personally feel the same way about these "pro" protesters, we actually cheer when we see the police go in and give them a good kicking

:) So do I, but then I cheer even more when a bunch of undesirable skinheads go in and give them good kicking! :D

']I better clear up what I mean by the word "undesirables".

People who hinder the goals of the movements that they attach themselves to.

Interesting. So you as an anti-racist will not support White Nationalism even though you agree that multi-culturalism should not be forced on WN and that having such a Nation may be the best(most peaceful) solution, because there are some WN who hinder White Nationalism. :confused: If however, WN would rid themselves of the hinderers, then you could support it. :confused:

Interesting.

The people that I believe hinder WN would not alter my vote for you, afterall if I voted for a WN nation they would go with you. Its not me you need to convince, I already agree that if it causes conflict seperate people. The masses don't agree with this though, its them you need to convince. Getting the political vote is all about image, hooligans don't fit into that image.

Unfortunately, the vast majority of anti-racist do not see things as clearly as you do. We know beyond any doubt that we will not be given a chance to vote for a WN homeland. We are not even given a chance to vote for enforcing the immigration laws that we already have! No, the only way for us to have our Nation is if the current system is destroyed. I beleive that we have two choices:

1. Wait for it to collaspe on its own, stay of the way but be ready.
2. Help it fall.

If more antis were as reasonable as you are then a third would be possible:

3. Peacefully seperate.

I am not going to hold my breath.

67:

Any popular movement with such romantic and fantastic goals as these, is bound to have a large hooligan population... If you support White Nationalist goals in principle, you have to look beyond this... Understand that in order to make them reality, you will have to actively work toward interesting non-hooligan types, the ones you consider desirable... The more informed minds there are after the "fall" or whatnot (Beowulf's options 1or2), the better chance of a successful reformation... Simple really, you can complain all you want about undesirable hooligans, but nothings gonna change unless you work for it.

I think most borderline WNs have a genuine fear of being associated with the hooligans, losing intellectual credibility, etc... most people go through it to some extent... But if you like, try to rationalize that the intellectual wing of the WN movement is what you support, and who you try to recruit supporters for... and that the hooligan movement is, in large part, a completely separate social grouping sharing the same *general* goals.

It's mostly the same deal with Christians and non-Christians, for a more concrete example... disagreements that cannot be reconciled, probably ever, for the same type of deeply engrained reasons that hooligans will remain hooligans, and intellectuals will remain intellectuals... "they don't always see eye to eye, but should always fight back to back"

']I see how that makes sense, but I personally can't see how it could help WN's gain any kind of power. If you want to take over by force then having hooligans will certainly help, but realistically taking back what you believe is yours is pretty much impossible now. If you want to take the political route you will never make it with the hooligan element tagging along. A good example of this is in the UK, where the BNP (British National Party) have quite a following in some towns/cities in Yorkshire. Where they are failing is that the criminal element of the BNP always hang around outside the polling centres looking for trouble (an always find it). I think many people who believe in some of the BNP's political stance are turned off by this. I would be the same, it wouldn't matter how strongly I felt about something, I wouldn't vote for a party knowing that they actively supported their hooligan element.

Truth is in the eye of the beholder.

Which is to say the same prop machine that can make jews moral and nigs appealing can also turn a hero into a "hooligan" and vice versa.

The political question will be decided by the powers of persuasion via medium. Non-partisians are not the name of the game. They call us hooligans, we call them traitors. Only time and resources will resolve the issue.

']A hooligan is a criminal, surely you don't consider criminals to be a good thing? Maybe you might prefer to put on the rose tinted spectacles now because you need as many members as possible, but what will happen to those hooligans once you achieve an all white nation? They will be the criminals, no more minorities to blame, and you will want them out.
If we were to decree that antis are "hooligans," what difference would it make to you? Words by themselves have little significance. The "who-calls-who-what-and-why" is 9/10ths of comprehension.

67

But, if there actually *were* a successful racialist party, surely it would not advocate for the hooligans, or work to attach themselves to them either... What would they have to gain? When you're talking about political movements vs social movements it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, it seems like a double standard against racialists compared to anti-racialists... what's the difference? And what's your point?

']My point exactly. Lets hope these type of people realize that they are just pawns right now.

A pawn is a pawn, if not with us, they'd just as easily be card carrying liberals or neocons. In chess, both sides use their pawns to their benefit, but neither complains about it. You'll never get rid of them, no matter how hard you try, any ideological movement with this hopes as large as these needs to appeal to a wide variety of people... pawns included. Just forget about them, cozy up to the intellectuals, badmouth and talk down to the hooligans.. you'll be fine...

They are rejected all the time, by people I know...

But, what do you have in mind exactly? A condemnation of "terrorism" from a White Nationalist leader the next time he's on CNN? Or a public address to the less civilized WNs on Fox? I don't see what more can be done right now, we don't have this kind of unlimited and instant access to the public, and any accesswe do have is vilified to the point where no information is considered legitimate anyway.

If you have any suggestions, let's hear em, but until the day when powerlessness is not an issue "publicly rejecting" them is easier said than done...

Under the Jews Plan, Most of the Muds Die a Violent Death In the Jewish Self-Fulfilling Prophecy of Nuclear Armageddon, Along with us Whites.

Under The White Plan. We can all Live in PEACE Minding our OWN Business!!
Good Fences Make Good Neighbors!

Instead of Fighting The Muds AND The Jews, Lets turn the Muds against their EVIL Jewish/Zionist SlaveMasters who Only want to End Their Lives in Violent Bloody World War.

Hell there are already tons of muds seething with Jew Hatred!! Lets use that energy and Channel it precisely!!

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Some Blacks Fighting the Zionists
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I would Leave my Beloved Texas For a New White Homeland in a Heartbeat

I would Leave my Beloved Texas For a New White Homeland in a Heartbeat
What's stopping you? Honestly. What is it?

Is the challenge you face of building your "white homeland" any more dificult than those faced by the early American settlers?

Why is it that they accomplished, and you just bitch and moan?

As a dedicated non-racist ask yourself this question; would your ideal multi-racial society function better if it were free of White racists? Your answer is most probably “Good God Yes!” OK, so what if you could get all the White racists to voluntarily leave? Well, if we could create a White Nationalist homeland most of us would. In fact, the more extreme the racist, the more likely he would be to migrate to the White Nation. You as a non-racist would then have a powerful tool; anytime a new racist emerged in your mystery meat utopia, you could challenge them to put their money where their mouth is and go live with the other racists. We, in turn, could do the same when insane lunatics in our nation start to question the wisdom of our racial policies. We could send them to you to experience the wonders of racial divershitty firsthand. Also, if you are so certain that we racist are a bunch of idiots who can’t succeed on our own, this would be your big chance to prove it. If we screw it up, we have only ourselves to blame. Likewise, you will get a chance to prove that your system can actually work in the absence of evil, White, racists bastards. As this is the course that we have already chosen, you really have nothing to lose by supporting us. The only reason that I can see that a non-racist would not support White Nationalism would be if they are afraid that we are right. It seems that Mr. Linder is correct when he says that there is no intelligent opposition to White Nationalism, racist or non-racist.

I have to wonder what the fuck is wrong with you people. You don't want to be here, and we sure as hell don't want you here. So why don't you just leave? Buy or build an island where you can have your own "aryan community." That can't be too hard, now can it?

Surely, you could all pool your money and do this, yet you persist in sacrificing your dignity, appearing as complete losers whining perpetually on the internet like little girls on the playground about how you white men are so "oppressed" and "abused" ad nauseum.

--JUST WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?

--WHY DON'T YOU JUST FUCKING LEAVE?

It's not like you have any hope of "converting" normal people to your stupid, ridiculous point of view, so why not JUST FUCKING LEAVE?

Or do you just enjoy whining eternally?

If that's the case, don't expect to be taken seriously.

I have to wonder what the fuck is wrong with you people. You don't want to be here, and we sure as hell don't want you here. So why don't you just leave? Buy or build an island where you can have your own "aryan community." That can't be too hard, now can it?

Surely, you could all pool your money and do this, yet you persist in sacrificing your dignity, appearing as complete losers whining perpetually on the internet like little girls on the playground about how you white men are so "oppressed" and "abused" ad nauseum.

--JUST WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?

--WHY DON'T YOU JUST FUCKING LEAVE?

It's not like you have any hope of "converting" normal people to your stupid, ridiculous point of view, so why not JUST FUCKING LEAVE?

Or do you just enjoy whining eternally?

If that's the case, don't expect to be taken seriously.Now, now McGoo....let's just stop waving that bottle of Jack Daniels around like that, and just sloooowly put it down....okay? 'Atta boy....

Quick Jim! Get the fuckin' tranquilizer gun!

Now, now McGoo....let's just stop waving that bottle of Jack Daniels around like that, and just sloooowly put it down....okay? 'Atta boy....

Quick Jim! Get the fuckin' tranquilizer gun!

No answers to my questions, eh Hoax?

Of course I expect responses like yours.

Facts: You can't "convert" America, this is obvious. Right? Do you disagree?

Then why not leave?

Answer: you just like whining, like a little girl.

I can't take you seriously.

No answers to my questions, eh Hoax?

Of course I expect responses like yours.

Facts: You can't "convert" America, this is obvious. Right? Do you disagree?

Then why not leave?

Answer: you just like whining, like a little girl.

I can't take you seriously.

Hmm. Mr. McGoo. With a name like that, You never know when you may receive a "Racial Facial"!

Oh, and I'm not leaving because Tomorrow belongs to me!........pussy.

No answers to my questions, eh Hoax?

Of course I expect responses like yours.

Facts: You can't "convert" America, this is obvious. Right? Do you disagree?

Then why not leave?

Answer: you just like whining, like a little girl.

I can't take you seriously. Whether or not we can "convert" enough White people in this country in time seems the "obvious" question to me. Would'nt you agree? You know, you wacked-out sunnuvabitch, that there's more and more White people coming 'round to our point of view....everyday. Gonna deny that one?

fuckin' weirdo.

I have to wonder what the fuck is wrong with you people. You don't want to be here, and we sure as hell don't want you here.So why don't you just leave? Buy or build an island where you can have your own "aryan community." That can't be too hard, now can it?

Surely, you could all pool your money and do this, yet you persist in sacrificing your dignity, appearing as complete losers whining perpetually on the internet like little girls on the playground about how you white men are so "oppressed" and "abused" ad nauseum.

--JUST WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?

--WHY DON'T YOU JUST FUCKING LEAVE?

It's not like you have any hope of "converting" normal people to your stupid, ridiculous point of view, so why not JUST FUCKING LEAVE?


If we have no hope of converting "normal people," then what's the harm in us staying? At most, we're a mild irritant, a small buzzing insect if you will. In brief, why all the fuss over a marginal, uninfluencial band of rascals?

Since the ever-expanding leviathan state shows no signs of diminishing, why don't you follow your own advice and establish a Randian dung-heap on a pacific island with your fellow Objectivists?