(Returning this where it belongs, the flamers can play with the thread in Nutzpah)

First, an explanation of terms is in order. “The magic bullet” is a derisive term for the idea that is a magical solution or cure; since of course, no such thing has ever existed nor will ever exist. Insofar as this essay is concerned, the magic bullet is used exclusively to describe the false notion that “exposing the Jew” will be the sole impetus needed to destroy them.

One cannot say why this idea is so endemic, that simply exposing ones enemy will destroy them. Is it wishful thinking? A swindle? A reflection of the embarrassing lack of tactics “our movement” has? A result of the fantasy based thinking dominating most “movement” personalities? Sheer laziness? Or maybe any mix and match of these factors is a possible case. However, it cannot be denied the utter danger of being so smugly confident that this “magic bullet”, that exposing the Jewish hate machine will be enough to bring it down.

It is an empty solution, because it does not allow for flexibility or contingencies. Even pointing this out results in hostility, because sadly, we as a “movement” have nothing else to fall back on, so we continue to run head first into the brick wall, falsely convinced the magic bullet is the only way, completely unaware we could simply climb over or walk around the brick wall.

Earlier discussed was the possibility that upon being exposed to the White gentile, he will turn around and thank the Jews for the cheap glut of materialistic crap given to him by the exploitative Jewish free market system, and this was not mere hyperbole! There is a very real chance that the blood and circuses anesthesia have actually extended past the senses into what used to be the soul of the White person you are speaking with, a fact that seems lost on older racists who did not grow up in this mess and cannot comprehend how endemic the greed is. The fact this contingency is not planned for, or even considered for that matter exhibits the shocking ignorance of tactics and strategy in the “movement”.

So you surely ask, what do you propose? Simply a total in change in the structure and scope of propaganda designed to expose Jewish machinations. “The Jew” is a vague, confusing, and ambiguous term not easily conveyed to most people. Frankly, the hysterical propaganda the movement has been putting out for the last 50 years paints the Jews as omnipresent and omniscient, which is not, nor has ever been the case.

After all, that mentality inspires defeatism from the beginning-how does one kill a God? And Godhood is what we have given the Jews ladies and gentleman; we have painted them as masterminds and tactical planners of the highest order! What was the purpose of this? To inspire fear in the rest of our Race to get them to join us? It obviously didn’t work, and now we are left with the specter of the ZOG-God being which exists only in our minds. This illusion, this ZOG-God prevents us from perceiving reality properly.

We must not solely “name the Jew”; this is doomed to failure by our own hand. Rather, we must focus on smaller units that are more easily identified by the human mind just as the ZOG-God is too “big” to comprehend, it must be broken down into AIPAC, The Democrat/Republican parties, the ADL, Federal Reserve, Mossad, Hollywood, the SPLC, and the like, similar to how deities sent avatars to Earth, their true forms being simply inconceivable to mortals. It sickens me to put the Jewish problem on a cosmic scale, but we ourselves made the ZOG-God, and we must take responsibility for it if it is ever to go away.

Gradually, as people begin to understand these separate entities all represent one interest, one voice, one people; that interest advancing the hatred that is Judaism, they can begin to see the thin lines binding all of those organizations and realize they are in fact one and draw their own conclusions. The Jewish power machine stems from illusion and confusion. I made sure it rhymed so it is easily remembered. The Jew does not want to be seen as small units operating towards a common goal, because small units can be destroyed, their links to the other units severed, weakening the system as a whole.

This is why we must drop “naming the Jew” if we ever hope to win! We must adapt to the realization it will not work, human beings, with their short life spans, are not designed to truly understand the big picture and we cannot go against nature. We have to present the enemy as he really is, which is not one big secret cabal, but as several small units fighting against us on many fronts, by many names, with many different uniforms. Honestly, this is the only way to present the Jewish problem to people in the age of the ten-second sound byte. We must show them the door through a rational, perceptually correct explanation of what the myriad Jewish entities are up to, and let them sever the lines connecting them all in their own mind, freeing themselves and letting them draw their own conclusions.

Remember, the fieriest converts are the ones who found God and then joined the Church, not the other way around. When people reach their own conclusions like this, they feel empowered, like they discovered something new and great and want to share it with the world, this is precisely what we need to get the word out. On a large enough scale, this could result in the dissolution of several Jewish hate-groups, weakening them enough to give us a fighting chance.

fine maybe a civil conversation of this topic can be had without the swearing, slurs, obscenties, flaming, etc.

fine maybe a civil conversation of this topic can be had without the swearing, slurs, obscenties, flaming, etc.

The corrupted one in Nutzpah seems to have been serving that purpose just fine.

I wont respond to anything less than serious responses in this thread.

Not trying to be facetuous, but I find your essay to not only be vague, ambiguous, and confusing, but contradicting as well.

For example, your start off para 7 with: "We must not solely "name the jew", then you start off para 9 with: "This is why we must drop "naming the jew."

So which is it? To just name the jew sparingly, or stop naming the jew altogether?

The very proposition of your essay is utterly false, ie., "Insofar as this essay is concerned, the magic bullet is used exclusively to describe the false notion that "exposing the jew" will be the sole impetus needed to destroy it."

In my 30 years of activism, I've never once heard anyone say that merely exposing the jew would destroy the jewish menace. Therefore, the basic allegation in your essay is absurd.

Not trying to be facetuous, but I find your essay to not only be vague, ambiguous, and confusing, but contradicting as well.

For example, your start off para 7 with: "We must not solely "name the jew", then you start off para 9 with: "This is why we must drop "naming the jew."

So which is it? To just name the jew sparingly, or stop naming the jew altogether?

The very proposition of your essay is utterly false, ie., "Insofar as this essay is concerned, the magic bullet is used exclusively to describe the false notion that "exposing the jew" will be the sole impetus needed to destroy it."

In my 30 years of activism, I've never once heard anyone say that merely exposing the jew would destroy the jewish menace. Therefore, the basic allegation in your essay is absurd.


So you surely ask, what do you propose? Simply a total in change in the structure and scope of propaganda designed to expose Jewish machinations. “The Jew” is a vague, confusing, and ambiguous term not easily conveyed to most people. Frankly, the hysterical propaganda the movement has been putting out for the last 50 years paints the Jews as omnipresent and omniscient, which is not, nor has ever been the case.

After all, that mentality inspires defeatism from the beginning-how does one kill a God? And Godhood is what we have given the Jews ladies and gentleman; we have painted them as masterminds and tactical planners of the highest order! What was the purpose of this? To inspire fear in the rest of our Race to get them to join us? It obviously didn’t work, and now we are left with the specter of the ZOG-God being which exists only in our minds. This illusion, this ZOG-God prevents us from perceiving reality properly.

We must not solely “name the Jew”; this is doomed to failure by our own hand. Rather, we must focus on smaller units that are more easily identified by the human mind just as the ZOG-God is too “big” to comprehend, it must be broken down into AIPAC, The Democrat/Republican parties, the ADL, Federal Reserve, Mossad, Hollywood, the SPLC, and the like, similar to how deities sent avatars to Earth, their true forms being simply inconceivable to mortals. It sickens me to put the Jewish problem on a cosmic scale, but we ourselves made the ZOG-God, and we must take responsibility for it if it is ever to go away.

Gradually, as people begin to understand these separate entities all represent one interest, one voice, one people; that interest advancing the hatred that is Judaism, they can begin to see the thin lines binding all of those organizations and realize they are in fact one and draw their own conclusions. The Jewish power machine stems from illusion and confusion. I made sure it rhymed so it is easily remembered. The Jew does not want to be seen as small units operating towards a common goal, because small units can be destroyed, their links to the other units severed, weakening the system as a whole.

This is why we must drop “naming the Jew” if we ever hope to win! We must adapt to the realization it will not work, human beings, with their short life spans, are not designed to truly understand the big picture and we cannot go against nature. We have to present the enemy as he really is, which is not one big secret cabal, but as several small units fighting against us on many fronts, by many names, with many different uniforms. Honestly, this is the only way to present the Jewish problem to people in the age of the ten-second sound byte. We must show them the door through a rational, perceptually correct explanation of what the myriad Jewish entities are up to, and let them sever the lines connecting them all in their own mind, freeing themselves and letting them draw their own conclusions.

The objective of the White Patriot Party was to unite and organize masses of White people, on the grounds of racial issues and to educate them about the jewish menace at the same time.

Our solution to both the racial and jewish problem was simply to form our own nation inside the 1 million square miles of the Southern United States, wherein only White gentiles would be allowed to be citizens, or allowed to hold any sort of influence or power.

For White people, the choice now is simple: Either separate or mongrelize. This fact/reality being even more self evident today than during the 80's, The White Patriot Party is more correct now, than it was then.

And our racial separation will never be achieved with sly, kike-like "sneak up on the jew" tactics, but rather it can only be achieved with honesty, facts, and truths thrown into the faces of our jew enemies.

.......This is why we must drop “naming the Jew” if we ever hope to win! .... We have to present the enemy as he really is, which is not one big secret cabal, but as several small units fighting against us on many fronts, by many names, with many different uniforms.........


What are you talking about here in this criticism? Name the Jew is a Linderism. Its a slogan he innovated as far as I know. He has presented the Jewish problem in a thousand different forms. You accuse him of oversimplifying? I thnink he has taken a difficult problem and gone to the heart of the matter on what can make a difference and then DEMONSTRATED how a simple approach can present an effective methodology to addressing a complicated problem.

Or how about me? I am the number one poster. 7000 posts. Have I oversimplified the Jewish problem? Have I been wasting my time here? Talking about dirt eating, hot or not, etc? I guess so. Wasting my breath.

Yesterday you sounded like you'd never heard of Wolzek. Has Wolzek oversimplified the problem? I gave you the archive to all of his excellent articles. You go ahead and show me where in what Wolzek has written he has oversimplified the Jewish problem.

Why dont you restrict the range of your criticism because it seems to me to be so broad and vague that the reader is left to guess at your meaning. I for one find it offensive that you dismiss "the movement" as some monolithic entity. It is not so and VNN least of all.

BTW Draco, you seem to have missed A.E.'s question on the other thread. So I decided to repeat it here for your convenience. A.E. wrote:

"So you oppose the tabloid for a hundred reasons, and you oppose "the movement", and obviously you oppose the efforts of the forum host to involve people in the tabloid printing and distribution. Do you think that has a benevolent purpose or is it just sabotage? What do you call it when you say you are pro-White and anti-Jew and then you devote 100% of your effort to discouraging people from openly opposing the jews and disseminating entertaining and educational materials such as TAA?

"Don't spit on our face and tell us it's raining."

(end of A.E.'s post)

Part of the character problem is that when you have a thing that has been branded heresy by the powers that be, you immediately are shut out of a certain percentage of normal people with normal qualities, and you immediately attract personality types that are less affected by social opprobrium. Those will be the courageous and the outrageous, generally. This situation is not that new in terms of the challenges it presents and the problems have been overcome before.

But I dont see how you overcome the problem constructively by outright abandoning essentials. Such as the critique of Jewish influence etc. That is where I have to part company with Amren and relegate it to strictly gateway material.

Even in Europe where free speech is not available to the extent it is here, there is a very strong critique of Jewish influence. People quoting Tom Sunic-- I have have no problem with Tom Sunic or Nouvelle Droit in general, and it fits with the notion of "naming the Jew" to me just fine. So I dont really see what JP is getting at nor do I see what

I remember years ago on the EK yahoo group, all these European guys were down on Pierce. Why? Because of TD. But TD though an embarassment to them, was a moneymaker. And an underground hit both here and there. So we benefitted from TD. TD had its place and there is no need to repudiate it, just go and do something different if you think that's what's needed. That's what I said to them and that's what I say again here today.

If you know what the winning formula is folks go do it. Dont keep raining on the tabloid parade, just go do something better. Dont make it personal because it doesnt need to be. If Draco wants to go start the Next Big Thing, he's free to do that. If he succeeds great. Otherwise let's have some specifics that can be debate and not just lots of generalities about "the movement" whatever that is.

WLP refered to the "freaks and weaklings" and the hobbyists and the gun nuts etc. OK, we know them too. But he didnt use that as an excuse to go back to physics or his cushy job in the defense industry. He kept on trucking. He didnt just criticize he offered some alternatives. That was positive leadership.

anyhow, if people are looking for a magic solution to the problem of who you can trust, well, sad to say but there isnt any, not for the "movement" nor in life in general. I deal in trust and breach of trust all the time, see it up close, wallow in the filth on a near daily basis. best advice I can give anybody is dont trust people you dont know, then when you do know trust but verify, and finally, on the other hand, dont let problems of trust keep you from getting in the game or life will pass you by.

Draco, your argument isn't an argument, it's a strawman. Obviously naming the jews alone will not the get the job done. It's the first step, though. I've proved that the people the jews feared most never hesitated to name the jew, in fact they insisted on it. Your failure to respond to that point suggests your real motive is either trolling or yanking chains. And now you're claiming naming the jew isn't needed at all. That's the path of paleoconservatism, which has never conserved a thing in its sorry existence.

If the jew is the problem, then naming the jew -- identifying the problem -- is the first step on the road to the solution.

The basic problem is that Jews have rendered themselves virtually immune criticism because of the way the media constantly promotes the holocaust and Jewish descrimination stories.

Naming "the jew" is good, if put in a proper context. The first step, in my opinion, would simply be to rationally speak ill of Jewry's effects on the Western world.

However, if Draco is referring to garbage that overflow with epithets while oversimplifying the problem, then "naming the Jew" is counterproductive. Discourse about Perle, Wolfowitz, and Marx (and their vested Jewish interests) is good.

"The GD K**ES CAUSE TSUNAMIS AND CONTROL THE WORLD ECONOMY AND THEY SHOULD DIEEEE!!!" is not good. I might have been oversimplifying...but I hope everyone gets my point.


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The basic problem is that Jews have rendered themselves virtually immune criticism because of the way the media constantly promotes the holocaust and Jewish descrimination stories.

And that is why it is crucial to name the jew where the jew is the causative agent. Isn't it peculiar? It is only the jews where it becomes this huge Question over whether we may describe them as responsible for what they're obviously doing. This alone is proof of their power to suppress criticism. A perfect example is Jared Taylor's hiding the truth about jews being behind the 1965 immigration act. He tries to fob it off on the kennedys and other non-jew liberals. He deliberately misleads his reader. He knows the truth, and he takes pains to hide it. Draco advises we follow that path of failure. He advocates defeatism while projecting same onto the only historical method that has ever worked with jews.


Naming "the jew" is good, if put in a proper context. The first step, in my opinion, would simply be to rationally speak ill of Jewry's effects on the Western world.

Exactly. And this is what VNN has done more than anybody in the world over the last 4.5 years. Look at the timeline, for instance. There is no factual rebuttal to it. You'll note that Draco-of-questionable-motives never bothers to address anything VNN has done by way of explaining to average whites what jews are about.


However, if Draco is referring to garbage that overflow with epithets while oversimplifying the problem, then "naming the Jew" is counterproductive. Discourse about Perle, Wolfowitz, and Marx (and their vested Jewish interests) is good.

It isn't that simple. The context determines the form. There's a need not merely to address the problems the jew caused, but to starken its image in the mind of the white man. It's funny Draco says jew is a vague word. Compared to zionist? cosmopolitan? banker? neoconservative? The word jew is sharp and direct - a gift to us. Pointing out the jew and his interests is one of the top jobs a White medium can perform. One half of the we and them we must make clear in readers' minds. As for slurs, where does the jew refrain from using them? White males are abused in practically every commercial now running on tv. They're called white trash or rednecks or losers or Eurotrash or trailer trash, and they're depicted as negro jock-sniffers, wimps, impotents and all-around weaklings afraid of their wives, children, blacks, and everyone else. They the repository of tv's anti-world. But if we use the term jew other than purely factually, and with equanimity, we're making a mistake.

I don't think so. If it's a matter of winning people over by facts, we've long had them in place. There are dozens of sites an honest and sincerely motivated man can learn the factual truth about jews, what they are, what they do, what they have done.

What will bring about political change is only a body that is overtly anti-jew, pro-White, and committed to change in a visceral way. Only when whites believe the messenger lives and dies by the message will they even consider following. That alone is not enough, but it is essential. Whites will never follow a man like Sam Francis, who openly admits there are things he "can't" say. Imagine the founders of the republic saying there were things they "couldn't" say to the British. Nor will whites follow Jared "They're fine by me" Taylor. When push comes to shove, you have to have a diagnosis and a solution. Jared Taylor has neither.

The time has never been riper than now for White Nationalism. The jews are more powerful yet more vulnerable than perhaps ever before in their history, certainly since Stalingrad. The idea whose time has come is White men parting ways with the regime of lies and terror that has overcome the west, and is bent on global domination and white genocide via panmixia. As White parties come into existence, ZOG will try to infiltrate and destroy them. As it did with Bill Buckley and conservatism, we can guess the government will set up false fronts, offering professionally produced but safely neutered racialism. Note the parallel between American Renaissance and John Birch Society. In both groups you are quickly shown the door if you ask obvious questions about jews. Rockwell, Pierce and many others matriculated from JBS very quickly. They were told that those asking obvious questions about the link between jews and communism were "neutralizers," out to destroy JBS's anti-communist mission. But of course JBS's mission was not to destroy communism but to protect jews by serving as a false front to fool the stupid goyim. Jared Taylor's AmRen fills precisely this roll. It is aimed at the upper middle class, to give an image of respectability. It focuses exclusively on problems created by Mexican invaders and native black criminals. But it resolutely refuses to name the people who created the policies that admitted or loosed these coloreds.

JBS and AmRen are like public schools. They pretend to one motive -- to stop black crime/to educate children -- but they never achieve results. It must be considered, after a certain point, that their real motives are different from their publicly stated ones. Simple logic leads one to that conclusion. When that logic is backed up by the facts about the JBS being a jewish false front (Revilo Oliver, who was on its board, exposed this) and the CIA putting money into various jew-protecting, jew-employing "anti-communist" NWO-promoting organizations and publications, we have to look at Jared Taylor and AmRen with cool, clear eyes.

Does Jared Taylor hate and fight the jew? Or does Jared Taylor hate and fight the jew's enemy? The answer is clear. We don't have to be 100% certain of Taylor's motive, we just have to observe his actions and draw the obvious conclusion. Taylor frustrates his reader, just like the Birch Society frustrated people attempting to understand and do something about communism, by trapping him in an endless cycle of complaints about coloreds, with any mention of the jews who produced the laws that uncaged the predator streng verboten.

To NOT name the jew is so absurd, it smacks of the jewish technique of spreading The Big Lie. As A.H. and others have pointed out, BIG LIES are more easily believed by the masses than little ones. The masses simply cannot comprehend that anyone would tell huge whoopers, therefore they more readily believe them, thinking the sheer audacity (chutzpah) of the teller, which the masses themselves lack, is more cause to believe the lie.

EXPOSE THE JEWS. Finally, the world is beginning to awaken to the jewish menace. Not since WWII have the kikes been nearly as vulnerable to exposure, and they're making enemies left and right. Therefore, we must do all we can to hasten and increase the awakening. Simple as that.

l) All races are equal.
2) The Germans murdered 6 million helpless, innocent jews.
3) Racial diversity makes American stronger.
4) Abortion is a woman's right.
5) No difference but skin color.
6) Illegal aliens only take jobs Americans won't take.
7) Jews are God's chosen people
8) Nations that go against Israel will surely be destroyed.
9) Racial integration is good for White youth.
10) Hate crimes can only be committed by Whites
11) Racial hatreds are synonamous with White racial hatreds
12) The Germans are responsible for WWII.

Etc, etc, etc.....

And now..... Stop naming the jew, so the White Race can be saved.

Draco, your argument isn't an argument, it's a strawman . Obviously naming the jews alone will not the get the job done. It's the first step, though.


Here's my post to Drano from two days ago, it sounds the same:

" Now that you have set up the strawman argument that claims that the "movement" somehow relies totally on naming the jew alone as the solution and only solution, how about offering some proof that this is, in fact, the case. Seems to me that most "movement" leaders are saying that naming the jew is only the first step, not the end-all solution as you claim. The real question should be, why does DagoDrano set up transparent strawman arguments? Is it wishful thinking? A swindle? A reflection of the embarrassing lack of tactics Drano has? A result of the fantasy based thinking dominating Drano's personality? Sheer laziness?"

That's the thread that's moved to Nutzpah. What a coincidence.

l) All races are equal.
2) The Germans murdered 6 million helpless, innocent jews.
3) Racial diversity makes American stronger.
4) Abortion is a woman's right.
5) No difference but skin color.
6) Illegal aliens only take jobs Americans won't take.
7) Jews are God's chosen people
8) Nations that go against Israel will surely be destroyed.
9) Racial integration is good for White youth.
10) Hate crimes can only be committed by Whites
11) Racial hatreds are synonamous with White racial hatreds
12) The Germans are responsible for WWII.

Etc, etc, etc.....

And now..... Stop naming the jew, so the White Race can be saved.


True, jews are behind all this, but these happened in different areas, in different times, involving different circumstances.

How do you propose to link it all to the jew for Mr. or Mrs. Lemming?

"the jew" won't cut it.

Rather, you will have to single out all of the organizations and peoples behind all of the things you listed, focus on the jews in there, and try and get it through their skulls.

Still waiting to see how that's going to get done.

True, jews are behind all this, but these happened in different areas, in different times, involving different circumstances.

How do you propose to link it all to the jew for Mr. or Mrs. Lemming?

"the jew" won't cut it.

Rather, you will have to single out all of the organizations and peoples behind all of the things you listed, focus on the jews in there, and try and get it through their skulls.

Still waiting to see how that's going to get done.
The above Draco response is a blatantly feeble defense of Draco's own thread. Kinda like a whinny whimper following Alex Linder's ass kicking posts that rendered Draco's idea of NOT NAMING THE JEW utterly pathetic.

Whatsa matta Draco, did Alex cause you to lose interest in your own thread THAT fast ???

BTW, if you are truly convinced that attacking the jews at specific areas of jewish domination, is the way to go, then why don't you concentrate on distributing William Pierce's "Who Rules America", to the lemmings ? It's the most convincing and irrefutable expose of jewish domination of the media, in existance.

The above Draco response is a blatantly feeble defense of Draco's own thread. Kinda like a whinny whimper following Alex Linder's ass kicking posts that rendered Draco's idea of NOT NAMING THE JEW utterly pathetic.

Whatsa matta Draco, did Alex cause you to lose interest in your own thread THAT fast ???

BTW, if you are truly convinced that attacking the jews at specific areas of jewish domination, is the way to go, then why don't you concentrate on distributing William Pierce's "Who Rules America", to the lemmings ? It's the most convincing and irrefutable expose of jewish domination of the media, in existance.

Blatant trolling flame answered here:

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=177507#post177507

Draco, your argument isn't an argument, it's a strawman. Obviously naming the jews alone will not the get the job done. It's the first step, though. I've proved that the people the jews feared most never hesitated to name the jew, in fact they insisted on it. Your failure to respond to that point suggests your real motive is either trolling or yanking chains. And now you're claiming naming the jew isn't needed at all. That's the path of paleoconservatism, which has never conserved a thing in its sorry existence.

If the jew is the problem, then naming the jew -- identifying the problem -- is the first step on the road to the solution.

How will you get "the solution" implemented, and lets not kid ourselves, we all know what solution you have in mind, that being the total elimination of the heebs. No moral qualms from me, but its a very tall order to get people excited about shooting some random jew in the head.

I, being realistic, realize the jew will simply miscegnate itself out of existance, and Israel will serve as the rats nest, and frankly, thats a good thing, having them all in one place, surrounded by hostiles. This is why I'm more concerned with building up Whites, rather than tearing down the increasingly sickening WASP-jewish system.

And I am not a paleocon, and no, they havent conserved anything either, but what has asylum-styled racism conserved or let alone accomplished?

Obviously the sole focus being on the jew isnt working, you've had 50 years to do it.

My primary concerns will always be:

1) Securing resources and influence

2) Reproduction/raising kick ass White kids

3) Maintaning loose networks of sympathetic associates

4) Instilling pride in my kind

5) Plunging the esoteric and practical depths of National Socialism and applying them in my life

6) Living as White a life as I possibly can.

I really don't see the need to obsess over some ugly looking kikes to accomplish my goals.

Blatant trolling flame answered here:

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=177507#post177507
But, but, but what about "Who Rules America"? Not interested in furthering your own idea ???

How will you get "the solution" implemented, and lets not kid ourselves, we all know what solution you have in mind, that being the total elimination of the heebs. No moral qualms from me, but its a very tall order to get people excited about shooting some random jew in the head.

I, being realistic, realize the jew will simply miscegnate itself out of existance, and Israel will serve as the rats nest, and frankly, thats a good thing, having them all in one place, surrounded by hostiles. This is why I'm more concerned with building up Whites, rather than tearing down the increasingly sickening WASP-jewish system.

And I am not a paleocon, and no, they havent conserved anything either, but what has asylum-styled racism conserved or let alone accomplished?

Obviously the sole focus being on the jew isnt working, you've had 50 years to do it.

My primary concerns will always be:

1) Securing resources and influence

2) Reproduction/raising kick ass White kids

3) Maintaning loose networks of sympathetic associates

4) Instilling pride in my kind

5) Plunging the esoteric and practical depths of National Socialism and applying them in my life

6) Living as White a life as I possibly can.

I really don't see the need to obsess over some ugly looking kikes to accomplish my goals.
A simple "I'm too cowardly to tell the truth about the jews in public", would have sufficed.

But, but, but what about "Who Rules America"? Not interested in furthering your own idea ???

Alright.

You got me.

Thats good.

Hell, I used to pass those things out like a nig passing out bullets back in the late 90's, when it was current, and it had a decent success rate.

It is in dire need of updating, and its a good start.

However, I was already racially aware when I read it, and the people who werent strangers that I gave it to had spoken with me before, thus having some groundwork, so my results are skewed.

However, I think its too "big" to be the very first thing read. Hence the need for an update, it could be streamlined, made current in terms of names/places/etc., and made easier to read because lets be honest....folks just cant read anymore.

I'd like to break it down into smaller, simpler points, but it is copyrighted...normally not a big deal, but the "new NA" would probably track me down and sue me....someones gotta make up for those lost dues and keep the coke, cars, and ho's coming in! :eek:

Obviously the sole focus being on the jew isnt working, you've had 50 years to do it. .

Drano joined VNNF over a year ago and began "helping". Nothing has changed for the better in that year, so let's celebrate Drano's first year of failure.

Drano joined VNNF over a year ago and began "helping". Nothing has changed for the better in that year, so let's celebrate Drano's first year of failure.

I was here on the very first VNN.

First-Amendement.net.

And interestingly, the main page has gone waaaaaaay downhill. So maybe you're onto something?

Go back to playing with gay pictures. Stick with what you know.

A simple "I'm too cowardly to tell the truth about the jews in public", would have sufficed.

Coming from a failure who plans on talking about analingus and how super it is that American soldiers are being blown up by Muslims in Iraq, I dont think I'll take lessons in success from you.

As for cowardice, surrender to a pithy 40 SWAT officers lately and then roll over on any friends?

I was here on the very first VNN.

You too? Those were the good times. The VNN forum has never gone uphill. It has always been this way. Although somewhat worse earlier. Its actually a bit more productive than it used to be when it first opened up in its previous incarnations.

In case you folks forgot. This is supposed to be a "free speech" forum so youre going to get opinions that you dont necessarily agree with.

You too? Those were the good times. The VNN forum has never gone uphill. It has always been this way. Although somewhat worse earlier. Its actually a bit more productive than it used to be when it first opened up in its previous incarnations.

In case you folks forgot. This is supposed to be a "free speech" forum so youre going to get opinions that you dont necessarily agree with.

The forum started going downhill when Miller showed up, causing an exodus of high-quality, informative, entertaining, or just plain good posters.

Myself, you, Linder, and possibly Garrett are the only four from then that I can think of.

You too? Those were the good times. The VNN forum has never gone uphill. It has always been this way. Although somewhat worse earlier. Its actually a bit more productive than it used to be when it first opened up in its previous incarnations.

In case you folks forgot. This is supposed to be a "free speech" forum so youre going to get opinions that you dont necessarily agree with.

Didn't you leave and then come back...and then leave again and then come back again...and(whew!) then leave again and now you're back? And each time posted some melodramatic babble announcing it.

As I recall after your 3rd or was it 4th farewell I predicted you would once again come back and you assured me that it would never happen and you were "gone for good".

Geeze, what a drama queen!

Didn't you leave and then come back...and then leave again and then come back again...and(whew!) then leave again and now you're back? And each time posted some melodramatic babble announcing it.

As I recall after your 3rd or was it 4th farewell I predicted you would once again come back and you assured me that it would never happen and you were "gone for good".

Geeze, what a drama queen!

I was actually gone for quite a while the last time.

Alright.

You got me.

Thats good.

Hell, I used to pass those things out like a nig passing out bullets back in the late 90's, when it was current, and it had a decent success rate.

It is in dire need of updating, and its a good start.

However, I was already racially aware when I read it, and the people who werent strangers that I gave it to had spoken with me before, thus having some groundwork, so my results are skewed.

However, I think its too "big" to be the very first thing read. Hence the need for an update, it could be streamlined, made current in terms of names/places/etc., and made easier to read because lets be honest....folks just cant read anymore.

I'd like to break it down into smaller, simpler points, but it is copyrighted...normally not a big deal, but the "new NA" would probably track me down and sue me....someones gotta make up for those lost dues and keep the coke, cars, and ho's coming in! :eek:
Frankly, I don't believe you ever passed out even one copy.

And the latest edition of "Who Rules America" is dated 2003, which is as current as Pierce himself normally kept it over the 20 plus years of it's publication.

So go to it tiger, and live up to your own proposal by either purchasing them directly from NA or have your local printers print you up a big batch. Or better yet, modify the pamphlet to satisfy your criticisms, then print and distribute.

Now, what's your alibi ? Daaaaaa. . . .

Frankly, I don't believe you ever passed out even one copy.

And the latest edition of "Who Rules America" is dated 2003, which is as current as Pierce himself normally kept it over the 20 plus years of it's publication.

So go to it tiger, and live up to your own proposal by either purchasing them directly from NA or have your local printers print you up a big batch. Or better yet, modify the pamphlet to satisfy your criticisms, then print and distribute.

Now, what's your alibi ? Daaaaaa. . . .

You dont seem to be too civil. Looks like youre trying to get his threads knocked off the Civil Forum again.

Here is the latest Who Rules America?
http://www.realnews247.com/who_rules_america_updated_2004.htm

Frankly, I don't believe you ever passed out even one copy.

And the latest edition of "Who Rules America" is dated 2003, which is as current as Pierce himself normally kept it over the 20 plus years of it's publication.

So go to it tiger, and live up to your own proposal by either purchasing them directly from NA or have your local printers print you up a big batch. Or better yet, modify the pamphlet to satisfy your criticisms, then print and distribute.

Now, what's your alibi ? Daaaaaa. . . .

Thats funny, I dont believe you ever did anything but hand out canteens in Vietnam.

As for this insane obsession with tabloids/leaflets, I'm know old enough to know better:

They dont do jack, just like you! No wonder you love em so much!

When I was younger and dumber, I had an excuse for doing it, now that I know better, I cannot in good conscience partake in the 50 Years of Failure.

I will be as straightforward and Civil as possible in regards to your crusade here Draco.

You are 100% incorrect. You have stated yourself that you personally believe that jews and jewish interests have been responsible for:

-increased numbers of nonwhite immigration
-jewish manipulation of the American media, hollywood, and banking financial systems
-loosening segregation all throughout the nation's schools and neighborhoods
-the Israel first policy of Foreign Policy

among other things. These are just a few highlights.
How is NOT naming the jews for their obvious anti-White interests going to benefit our country and White America?

You keep reiterating the same thing: "just naming the jews will not wake up lemming America".

Something is telling me that you do not truly believe deep down inside that the jews are currently our most powerful adversary.
I'm not quite sure what you are trying to accomplish here.
If we do not even attempt to "name the jews", how do you think we can draw the proper conclusions to others?

You're wrong about more than a few things here. The jews are afraid of being "named". That is why they attack so vehetmenly any and all who choose to name the jews and their interests for what they are: PRO-JEWISH!
At this point in time, pro-jewish ='s anti-White.
Are you understanding this?
Or do you not really believe this?

After carefully reading your recent posts here regarding this topic, you seem to be kind of manipulating with your words. You state something obvious like say "just naming the jews will not result in a magic bullet"......no kidding. There are NO "magic bullets".
You think that Whites choose the jewish world over the Aryan world out of free will.
This is where you are fundamentally wrong - Aryans do not have any other choice at the moment.
Aryan White Americans have voted with their feet time and time again over issues such as free trade, immigration, segregation, school integration, etc.....
but, Aryan interests are NOt aligned with jew interests. So, Aryan interests are not even given open debate, much less enacted.

One more thing. You have lately started to become difficult to read and respond to. Full of hostility and negativity.
Quick to insult because you feel attacked.
Maybe your ego is a little large like many new yorkers...isn't that the aggressive new yourk attitude, never back down even when wrong?
Is is so obvious that you have incorrectly stated that naming the jews will not work.
Why won't you admit this?

And just because "the movement" has not fought off the jew take over off this country, doesn't make it valid that any and all jew aware Whites should not 'name the jews' presently.
IT IS THIS VERY REASON WHY WE MUST NAME THE JEWS!!!

VNN - No jews Just right
When the VNN ceases to name the jews for what they are, then it will be as useless as last week's leftovers.
Why are you so aganist the obvious goal of shedding light upon the jews?!?!

That is the one thing the jew IS afraid of!

Again and again you people don't get it. "NAMING THE JEW" HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR AT LEAST A CENTURY NOW! You people assume that because you have the audacity to point out Jewish complicity in a lot of social ills that somehow it will change the mind of millions simply because it is truth. The average American does not care about truth. From the viewpoint of a WN, it is noble and couragous to point out the Jews, but WNs fail and fail over and over when it comes to seeing their message through the eyes of their audience. The audience isn't impressed that you have the courage to "name the Jew". He may not even know exactly what Jews are or what his own culture is so that he can make a comparison. He is most often addicted to Jewish culture anyway. You'll have to try harder to pry him away.

I was here on the very first VNN.

First-Amendement.net.

And interestingly, the main page has gone waaaaaaay downhill. So maybe you're onto something?

Go back to playing with gay pictures. Stick with what you know.

You may be only 1/50th of a failure, but a little failure is still a failure. How can a failure pretend to preach to anyone else? Sometimes the truth hurts.

I concur. Draco has made sensible statements in the past but I cannot agree with his current campaign of out with the old and in with ???... not naming the jew.
That is all I get other than a sense of overweening youthful self-importance and wounded ego. Doc martin seems a model of proper comportment currently, compared to what Draco's responses have become. That is because he has put himself into an untenable position in regards to this furum's purpose/mission.

Why is Draco so damned touchy about naming mankind's misfortune, the Tribe of Judah?


I will be as straightforward and Civil as possible in regards to your crusade here Draco.

You are 100% incorrect. You have stated yourself that you personally believe that jews and jewish interests have been responsible for:

-increased numbers of nonwhite immigration
-jewish manipulation of the American media, hollywood, and banking financial systems
-loosening segregation all throughout the nation's schools and neighborhoods
-the Israel first policy of Foreign Policy

among other things. These are just a few highlights.
How is NOT naming the jews for their obvious anti-White interests going to benefit our country and White America?

You keep reiterating the same thing: "just naming the jews will not wake up lemming America".

Something is telling me that you do not truly believe deep down inside that the jews are currently our most powerful adversary.
I'm not quite sure what you are trying to accomplish here.
If we do not even attempt to "name the jews", how do you think we can draw the proper conclusions to others?

You're wrong about more than a few things here. The jews are afraid of being "named". That is why they attack so vehetmenly any and all who choose to name the jews and their interests for what they are: PRO-JEWISH!
At this point in time, pro-jewish ='s anti-White.
Are you understanding this?
Or do you not really believe this?

After carefully reading your recent posts here regarding this topic, you seem to be kind of manipulating with your words. You state something obvious like say "just naming the jews will not result in a magic bullet"......no kidding. There are NO "magic bullets".
You think that Whites choose the jewish world over the Aryan world out of free will.
This is where you are fundamentally wrong - Aryans do not have any other choice at the moment.
Aryan White Americans have voted with their feet time and time again over issues such as free trade, immigration, segregation, school integration, etc.....
but, Aryan interests are NOt aligned with jew interests. So, Aryan interests are not even given open debate, much less enacted.

One more thing. You have lately started to become difficult to read and respond to. Full of hostility and negativity.
Quick to insult because you feel attacked.
Maybe your ego is a little large like many new yorkers...isn't that the aggressive new yourk attitude, never back down even when wrong?
Is is so obvious that you have incorrectly stated that naming the jews will not work.
Why won't you admit this?

And just because "the movement" has not fought off the jew take over off this country, doesn't make it valid that any and all jew aware Whites should not 'name the jews' presently.
IT IS THIS VERY REASON WHY WE MUST NAME THE JEWS!!!

VNN - No jews Just right
When the VNN ceases to name the jews for what they are, then it will be as useless as last week's leftovers.
Why are you so aganist the obvious goal of shedding light upon the jews?!?!

That is the one thing the jew IS afraid of!

Round and round we go here.....what came first? The jews' anti-White message or that Whites don't listen to their kinsmen who have Id'd the jews?

Ok, let's try it from this angle: jews do not let Whites openly and fairly debate and Identify the jews because that would be contrary to jewish interests.
When any WN org or person states anything about the jews, he is thus villified as a kook, nutcase, out of touch....BY THE JEWS!
WHITE AMERICA GETS THEIR DEFINITIONS BY THOSE IN POWER - hence the jewish interpretation of all things pro-White.
The media and pop culture indoctrination of the public happens because the jews frame the debate..

You are wrong JP. White America has yet to get an objective fair debate regarding jewish interests and their role in our society.

We people "get it" as well as you do. We are tiny, our efforts are near-futile, nobody listens, all are afraid to speak, even to think. If they even can. It's discouraging. What else can we do, though, but keep trying? Why give up?

The strength of their power-structure might be weaker than you think. Much of it is facade, smoke and mirrors, a con-man behind a curtain. How do you know that there is not a chink or flaw we may find? Or an act of final hubris on their part that exposes them? This War fever they try to flame may not sell for much longer to the US public.
They slipped for a bit in Germany, they were rousted from Spain.
I think it's coming.

Again and again you people don't get it. "NAMING THE JEW" HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR AT LEAST A CENTURY NOW! You people assume that because you have the audacity to point out Jewish complicity in a lot of social ills that somehow it will change the mind of millions simply because it is truth. The average American does not care about truth. From the viewpoint of a WN, it is noble and couragous to point out the Jews, but WNs fail and fail over and over when it comes to seeing their message through the eyes of their audience. The audience isn't impressed that you have the courage to "name the Jew". He may not even know exactly what Jews are or what his own culture is so that he can make a comparison. He is most often addicted to Jewish culture anyway. You'll have to try harder to pry him away.

I concur. Draco has made sensible statements in the past but I cannot agree with his current campaign of out with the old and in with ???... not naming the jew.
That is all I get other than a sense of overweening youthful self-importance and wounded ego. Doc martin seems a model of proper comportment currently, compared to what Draco's responses have become. That is because he has put himself into an untenable position in regards to this furum's purpose/mission.

Why is Draco so damned touchy about naming mankind's misfortune, the Tribe of Judah?

My gut feeling...Draco didn't write the MBF and the New Ideas threads..or if he did he had a lot of help. He's a semi bright youngster but if you compare and contrast his posts with the MBR/NI treatises it's obvious Draco doesn't have the grey matter to come up with something so subtle and beguiling as "don't name the jews".

Now the question is, who wrote it and what is the motivation!

Again and again you people don't get it. "NAMING THE JEW" HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR AT LEAST A CENTURY NOW!
Actually it has been going on for 5,000 years. The Jew operates in cycles, sometimes they are on top and other times they are driven out in masses. They have had thier time on top it is close to thier time to once again be driven out in masses. Perhaps in the next decade.

Look around VNNF naming the Jew is becoming Taboo. When you call someone a Jew they make threads about it, people get angry because you named the Jew. But as long as there is free speech I will continue to name the Jew and those that act like Jews.

Naming the Jew does work. Just because everybody doesn’t agree with you immediately doesn’t mean they never will.

People need others to set a standard. The Jews are a minority, yet they control millions. The more people become Jew wise and the worse things get the more apt they are to doing something about the Jew.

Everyone knows there is something wrong they just don’t know what. But when you name the Jew the seed is planted. In the back of their mind will be an article they read, a forum they visited, or a conversation they had. Then they to will name the Jew.

You won't see the fruits of your labor tomorrow but eventually you will see that your effort in naming the Jew, either by tabloid, song, website, conversation or just plain living white and setting a standard will pay off.

You say we are going to hear more of you in the next decade, if you are not naming the Jew I don’t want to hear anything from you.


There is no point in anything if you refuse to name the enemy.

My gut feeling...Draco didn't write the MBF and the New Ideas threads..or if he did he had a lot of help. He's a semi bright youngster but if you compare and contrast his posts with the MBR/NI treatises it's obvious Draco doesn't have the grey matter to come up with something so subtle and beguiling as "don't name the jews".

Now the question is, who wrote it and what is the motivation!
Yeah Steve, "beguiling" is one way to put it. "Distraction" is another.

The Big Lie of "Don't Name The Jew" ranks up there with The Big Lie of "Diversity Makes American Stronger." The masses, including some VNN'ers, are more apt to believe a big lie than a little one. Big Lies are, as you say, "beguiling", therefore thought provoking.

In the case of Draco's contention that we should "Stop Naming The Jew", it's blatantly distracting, to say the least.

My own opinion about how VNN'ers should respond to these distractions is (1) Increase activisms - namely bigger support for the tabloid project, and (2) Debate the distractors and expose them. After all, it sharpens one's debating skills which is good. And we all enjoy competitive debates, even really hot ones. In other words, be happy warriors and active warriors at the same time.

Sieg Heil !!!

You keep reiterating the same thing: "just naming the jews will not wake up lemming America".

Something is telling me that you do not truly believe deep down inside that the jews are currently our most powerful adversary.

No, lately I have become to believe the heart of the problem is not the jew...they are half the equation. I'm beginning to believe they are allied with the "old money" WASPS.

Jews were aliens who used to compete with the WASPy elite. Sometimes around WW1 the WASP and jew stopped competing, and began colluding.

Think about it.

I'm giving it the research it is due before I make any conclusions...just a theory right now.

I concur. Draco has made sensible statements in the past but I cannot agree with his current campaign of out with the old and in with ???... not naming the jew.
That is all I get other than a sense of overweening youthful self-importance and wounded ego. Doc martin seems a model of proper comportment currently, compared to what Draco's responses have become. That is because he has put himself into an untenable position in regards to this furum's purpose/mission.

Why is Draco so damned touchy about naming mankind's misfortune, the Tribe of Judah?

What he said:

Again and again you people don't get it. "NAMING THE JEW" HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR AT LEAST A CENTURY NOW! You people assume that because you have the audacity to point out Jewish complicity in a lot of social ills that somehow it will change the mind of millions simply because it is truth. The average American does not care about truth. From the viewpoint of a WN, it is noble and couragous to point out the Jews, but WNs fail and fail over and over when it comes to seeing their message through the eyes of their audience. The audience isn't impressed that you have the courage to "name the Jew". He may not even know exactly what Jews are or what his own culture is so that he can make a comparison. He is most often addicted to Jewish culture anyway. You'll have to try harder to pry him away.

No, lately I have become to believe the heart of the problem is not the jew...they are half the equation. I'm beginning to believe they are allied with the "old money" WASPS.

Jews were aliens who used to compete with the WASPy elite. Sometimes around WW1 the WASP and jew stopped competing, and began colluding.

Think about it.

I'm giving it the research it is due before I make any conclusions...just a theory right now.
Let's face it Draco, just about every point you try to make is theory.

And of course, the WASPy elites are in collusion with the jews. Just like German Princes, and other European chieftains were hundreds of years ago. The jews buy off Aryan leaders either with money or with other favors in exchange for special rights to exploit the Aryan masses. With Aryan leaders (or as you say WASPy elites) sharing in the spoils, while turning a blind eye to the jew exploitations.

The same system of thievery and economical slavery exists today but greatly expanded along with growing technologies which enable it to grow. It's become so blatant and extensive now, the jews and their bought gentile puppet whores feel compelled to create a police state in order to keep the lid on the whole GD rotten kike scam.

But remember the jews are the instigators, the engineers. Their gentile traitor accomplices are simply protecting their own self interests.

Let's face it Draco, just about every point you try to make is theory.

And of course, the WASPy elites are in collusion with the jews. Just like German Princes, and other European chieftains were hundreds of years ago. The jews buy off Aryan leaders either with money or with other favors in exchange for special rights to exploit the Aryan masses. With Aryan leaders (or as you say WASPy elites) sharing in the spoils, while turning a blind eye to the jew exploitations.

The same system of thievery and economical slavery exists today but greatly expanded along with growing technologies which enable it to grow. It's become so blatant and extensive now, the jews and their bought gentile puppet whores feel compelled to create a police state in order to keep the lid on the whole GD rotten kike scam.

But remember the jews are the instigators, the engineers. Their gentile traitor accomplices are simply protecting their own self interests.


And "naming the jew" will fix this system? I'm not sure who is worse...Cromwell, or Ariel Sharon.

Basically what you're saying is that "the system" is rotten(indeed it is), but somehow it will get better once the jews and their accomplices are removed.

Society will always need a top-rung or wealthy elite. Who's to say they(being the greedy types) simply wont replace the eliminated jews and their lackeys? There will be a MAJOR power vacuum after all. I feel that frankly, none of this matters anyway. Governments and empires crumble, all alike.

I'm discussing this more as an acedemic interest by the way, since I do not forsee your ever being successful. Its your stage though, theorize and hypothesize on how you'd run a post jew-free government.

And "naming the jew" will fix this system? I'm not sure who is worse...Cromwell, or Ariel Sharon.

Basically what you're saying is that "the system" is rotten(indeed it is), but somehow it will get better once the jews and their accomplices are removed.

Society will always need a top-rung or wealthy elite. Who's to say they(being the greedy types) simply wont replace the eliminated jews and their lackeys? There will be a MAJOR power vacuum after all. I feel that frankly, none of this matters anyway. Governments and empires crumble, all alike.

I'm discussing this more as an acedemic interest by the way, since I do not forsee your ever being successful. Its your stage though, theorize and hypothesize on how you'd run a post jew-free government.

Well, if we're not successful, then envision your near future as being similar or worse than the bolshevik gulags inside an Orwellian government and society. That is, if you're not butchered first by the jew-led mongrel hordes sic'ed on us by anti-White attrocity propaganda spewed out by the jews' media.

The jews have decided to go all out now to wipe our Race from the earth to insure there are no future generations who'll come for their throats for what they've done to us.

Yes, there will always be corruption by the elite. But under a racialist, national socialist government with a strong and patriotic military, there'll damn sure be a hell of alot less of it. Aryans can create such a system while teaching morality, patriotism, super racial awareness, healthy minds and bodies, and comaraderie, etc. It's in our genes - our dispositions to want to live that way.

I dont think that naming the Jew is the problem. I think the problem is how you name them. I.E. the typical Jerry Springer type of "racist" is not a good way to do it.

Plus, I dont think the Jews would be smart enough to know whats going on even if you didnt name them.

Simple really. We pick up where Hitler left off and make changes required by 21st century technologies. A National Socialist government structured like a pyramid, with our strongest Aryan men at the top. Candidates for political office will be selected from among the proven, by The Party, and approved by the military to further maintain checks and balances.

I'm no expert in economics, but I'd prefer a system of competiveness among business leaders, with plenty of freedom to expand and improve, but always monitored to insure it's all compatible with Aryan security and good order.

All youth would come up thru a regimented system of education, healthy activities, and strong racial awareness and patriotism. Thus automatically become competent, honest, and reliable leaders for the future.

I dont think that naming the Jew is the problem. I think the problem is how you name them. I.E. the typical Jerry Springer type of "racist" is not a good way to do it.

Plus, I dont think the Jews would be smart enough to know whats going on even if you didnt name them.
I'm not sure I know what you mean.

Simple really. We pick up where Hitler left off and make changes required by 21st century technologies. A National Socialist government structured like a pyramid, with our strongest Aryan men at the top. Candidates for political office will be selected from among the proven, by The Party, and approved by the military to further maintain checks and balances.

It is unrealistic to assume Hitler would have lived to see 1955, due to the fact he was showing signs of Parkinsons disease in '45. What does this have to do with anything? Just a lead in for why I don't feel a purely hierarchal system is good.

As Goebbels said, "Hitler IS the National Socialist party", that is to say, he held it altogether with his brilliant charisma, force of will, and popularity.

It is perfectly reasonable to assume that the Party would have collapsed on itself due to infighting after his death. Even when Hitler was in charge there were the schemers competing with each other for Hitlers favor. This actually undermined the war effort, making it treasonous IMO.

Goering was, by Hitlers decree, to take his place in the event of his death, but Goering was not Hitler. No one could be Hitler. He would not have had the peoples backing. Goering was also a traitor in the last hours, as was Himmler.

Personally, I always felt Bormann would have been the best "runner up" to Hitler.

The "pyramid" structure was a bad system to have in Germany, due to the fact the man at the top; Adolf Hitler was by nature a bohemian artist, not an administrator or politician. He was also at odds with the military, which retained its Prussian elitist mentality.

Honestly, I feel the National Socialist Party(its scheming and sycophantism) contributed to its downfall...it needed better organization, and Hitler wasn't the man cut out for the routine work of governing, by his own admission.

When the man at the top says he doesn't care for running a state, what example does that set for the lower rungs?

By so light-heartedly adopting the NS system without seriously and objectively examining its particular flaws and identifying means to correct them, why even bother?

Also, NS, by its creators own decree, is not designed for export. It is uniquely German.

I'm not sure I know what you mean.

We need some really talented people to come up with great org or orgs and really try to make an effort, not just the typical rally and flier drops. They need to be innovative. Plus, if theyre going to try to take over the country the "legal" way then they should probably try to create some sort of party where racialist candidates will try to get elected into various positions in the government. Local and national.

The forum started going downhill when Miller showed up, causing an exodus of high-quality, informative, entertaining, or just plain good posters.

Myself, you, Linder, and possibly Garrett are the only four from then that I can think of.I do miss a lot of the "old" posters that used to frequent this place...

It is unrealistic to assume Hitler would have lived to see 1955, due to the fact he was showing signs of Parkinsons disease in '45. What does this have to do with anything? Just a lead in for why I don't feel a purely hierarchal system is good.

As Goebbels said, "Hitler IS the National Socialist party", that is to say, he held it altogether with his brilliant charisma, force of will, and popularity.

It is perfectly reasonable to assume that the Party would have collapsed on itself due to infighting after his death. Even when Hitler was in charge there were the schemers competing with each other for Hitlers favor. This actually undermined the war effort, making it treasonous IMO.

Goering was, by Hitlers decree, to take his place in the event of his death, but Goering was not Hitler. No one could be Hitler. He would not have had the peoples backing. Goering was also a traitor in the last hours, as was Himmler.

Personally, I always felt Bormann would have been the best "runner up" to Hitler.

The "pyramid" structure was a bad system to have in Germany, due to the fact the man at the top; Adolf Hitler was by nature a bohemian artist, not an administrator or politician. He was also at odds with the military, which retained its Prussian elitist mentality.

Honestly, I feel the National Socialist Party(its scheming and sycophantism) contributed to its downfall...it needed better organization, and Hitler wasn't the man cut out for the routine work of governing, by his own admission.

When the man at the top says he doesn't care for running a state, what example does that set for the lower rungs?

By so light-heartedly adopting the NS system without seriously and objectively examining its particular flaws and identifying means to correct them, why even bother?

Also, NS, by its creators own decree, is not designed for export. It is uniquely German.
Draco, you are motivated by something other than a genuine desire to help our Race. At 22, it is absolutely impossible for you to have adequate insights to make strong judgments or recommendations. You'll have to live more years, experience more life, study, learn, and ponder before you'll become a valuable leader of any sort.

Do your own thing here on VNN. But be assured that Rounder will be there when you spew out defeatist Norgal BS for consumption by young WNs and newbees.

On the contrary, Cromwell was using the Jews - to overthrow the Anglican/royalist/gentry establishment. In the short term, this worked marvellously well. In the long run, because the Jews have a much bigger narrative to fit into, this has proved disasterous for Britain - Jews own the media, the banks, the department store chains, and all the other true cliches that can be said about them. But if we look at it from Cromwell's perspective, his aims are still in effect to this day - the aristocracy is emasculated, the Anglican church is the establishment only in name (dissenters aren't, nor were they, particularly prosecuted by the CofE shortly after the Restoration), the gentry do not wield power over the populace, Parliament is (nominally) the key to the UK's political structure, and so on. Of course it's the thought that because the bastards now own England, minted and all, Cromwell was somehow an architect and advocate of such a reality. If one can blame Cromwell, then it's only contiguous, after all, it took the kikes until the turn of the 20th century to get their claws into England and have her by the throat.

I don't understand Draco's first post - he seems to be saying that we demostrate to people that the Jews are behind certain social and political movements ultimately inimical to gentile interests - which surely is a way of naming the Jew - while leaving it to the unalloyed goy itself to piece the hook-nosed part of the puzzle together at last. Is it a matter of style, or content? That is, do we give them ADL-AIPAC-Mossad-MTV jew soup, or do we concoct up a batch of mud-wary moonshine?

Draco, you are motivated by something other than a genuine desire to help our Race. At 22, it is absolutely impossible for you to have adequate insights to make strong judgments or recommendations. You'll have to live more years, experience more life, study, learn, and ponder before you'll become a valuable leader of any sort.

Do your own thing here on VNN. But be assured that Rounder will be there when you spew out defeatist Norgal BS for consumption by young WNs and newbees.

I know the guy who called the Horst Wessel song the "Horst Wetzel" song didn't just try and call me out on issues pertaining to National Socialism.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=177964&postcount=8

Ah h h h h ..... But, nothing tops "Tomorrow Belongs To Me", or "The Horst Wetzel Song." And "Dixie" is right up there too, especially renditions with lots of loud drums, and orchestrated for marching in step.

And even after AE corrected you didn't even go back and edit it!

Gah!

I do miss a lot of the "old" posters that used to frequent this place...

The old posters were so much better than the new ones were.

I know the guy who called the Horst Wessel song the "Horst Wetzel" song didn't just try and call me out on issues pertaining to National Socialism.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=177964&postcount=8



And even after AE corrected you didn't even go back and edit it!

Gah!
Picky, picky, picky.

Now go picky, picky back to your previous post and amend the name "Goebbels".

It wasn't Goebbels who said, "Hitler IS the National Socialist Party. It was Rudolph Hess. (1934 Party Day Rally - during Hess's introduction speech for Adolph Hitler).

Picky, picky, picky.

Now go picky, picky back to your previous post and amend the name "Goebbels".

It wasn't Goebbels who said, "Hitler IS the National Socialist Party. It was Rudolph Hess. (1934 Party Day Rally - during Hess's introduction speech for Adolph Hitler).

A typographical error is far different from turning "Wessel" into "Wetzel".

Goebbels also said Hitler was the party in his diaries, which is what I was referring to, I should have mentioned the source.

His diaries are also a good insight into how charitable Hitler was...Goebbels was always mad Hitler lavished so much money on the arts..somewhere between 800 million and 1 billion RM's.

A typographical error is far different from turning "Wessel" into "Wetzel".

Goebbels also said Hitler was the party in his diaries, which is what I was referring to, I should have mentioned the source.

His diaries are also a good insight into how charitable Hitler was...Goebbels was always mad Hitler lavished so much money on the arts..somewhere between 800 million and 1 billion RM's.
Go away young man, go away. Us loyal VNN men have a Race to save, Freedoms to restore, and a world to conquer.

On the contrary, Cromwell was using the Jews - to overthrow the Anglican/royalist/gentry establishment. In the short term, this worked marvellously well. In the long run, because the Jews have a much bigger narrative to fit into, this has proved disasterous for Britain - Jews own the media, the banks, the department store chains, and all the other true cliches that can be said about them. But if we look at it from Cromwell's perspective, his aims are still in effect to this day - the aristocracy is emasculated, the Anglican church is the establishment only in name (dissenters aren't, nor were they, particularly prosecuted by the CofE shortly after the Restoration), the gentry do not wield power over the populace, Parliament is (nominally) the key to the UK's political structure, and so on. Of course it's the thought that because the bastards now own England, minted and all, Cromwell was somehow an architect and advocate of such a reality. If one can blame Cromwell, then it's only contiguous, after all, it took the kikes until the turn of the 20th century to get their claws into England and have her by the throat.
.........?

interesting reply. I invite you to use the "search" function to dig up one of my old threads on this and discuss. I have generally espoused the contrary view, but you seem well informed and perhaps we could have an instructive debate in another thread.

I wouldnt correct somebody about a niggling detail like that because that would make me look like a jerk and considering Rounder is apparently one of the few folks on this forum I can consider an elder, I always try and respect my elders. I just linked some media files of the song that's all.

As for the question of how to keep Jews out of govenrment, I think the simple answer is 1935 Nuremberg laws. Which, not only took them out of government, but government civil service, and media, and academia, and medicine. It didnt expel the Jews from residency-- just their usual niches, and ones that are critical to the organic national health.

If certain laws in the US need to get changed to get that done, including the fourteenth amendment, then so be it. We'd better start talking about it now because it will probably take quite a bit of work to get it done. Like, a ton. That's not an excuse to quit before we even get started, it is however an Olympian challenge.

........But whose pen-ultimate last words were, "Hence! Wilt thou lift up Olympus?"

A typographical error is far different from turning "Wessel" into "Wetzel".

Goebbels also said Hitler was the party in his diaries, which is what I was referring to, I should have mentioned the source.

His diaries are also a good insight into how charitable Hitler was...Goebbels was always mad Hitler lavished so much money on the arts..somewhere between 800 million and 1 billion RM's.
Oh what a web you weave when you practice to deceive.

The word "is" in your "Hitler IS the national socialist party, is not capitalized in the book, "Goebbels' Diary, thus you are deceptive, to say the least.

Oh what a web you weave when you practice to deceive.

The word "is" in your "Hitler IS the national socialist party, is not capitalized in the book, "Goebbels' Diary, thus you are deceptive, to say the least.

The emphasis was mine, because Hitler really WAS the Party, in illustrating the point that your hierachal solution already has problems.

But, this is putting the cart before the horse. First one must rule before they can go about governing, and I do not forsee you in any such role.

The emphasis was mine, because Hitler really WAS the Party, in illustrating the point that your hierachal solution already has problems.

But, this is putting the cart before the horse. First one must rule before they can go about governing, and I do not forsee you in any such role.
Wow, a really "brilliant" exercise in deductive reasoning, that we already have problems in our efforts to free our people from the jews, and save our Race from extinction.

And you flatter me with your suggestion of Glenn Miller being a ruler. Though I have to disagree that I or any other WN my age, ever will be.

(Returning this where it belongs, the flamers can play with the thread in Nutzpah)

First, an explanation of terms is in order. “The magic bullet” is a derisive term for the idea that is a magical solution or cure; since of course, no such thing has ever existed nor will ever exist. Insofar as this essay is concerned, the magic bullet is used exclusively to describe the false notion that “exposing the Jew” will be the sole impetus needed to destroy them.

One cannot say why this idea is so endemic, that simply exposing ones enemy will destroy them. Is it wishful thinking? A swindle? A reflection of the embarrassing lack of tactics “our movement” has? A result of the fantasy based thinking dominating most “movement” personalities? Sheer laziness? Or maybe any mix and match of these factors is a possible case. However, it cannot be denied the utter danger of being so smugly confident that this “magic bullet”, that exposing the Jewish hate machine will be enough to bring it down.

It is an empty solution, because it does not allow for flexibility or contingencies. Even pointing this out results in hostility, because sadly, we as a “movement” have nothing else to fall back on, so we continue to run head first into the brick wall, falsely convinced the magic bullet is the only way, completely unaware we could simply climb over or walk around the brick wall.

Earlier discussed was the possibility that upon being exposed to the White gentile, he will turn around and thank the Jews for the cheap glut of materialistic crap given to him by the exploitative Jewish free market system, and this was not mere hyperbole! There is a very real chance that the blood and circuses anesthesia have actually extended past the senses into what used to be the soul of the White person you are speaking with, a fact that seems lost on older racists who did not grow up in this mess and cannot comprehend how endemic the greed is. The fact this contingency is not planned for, or even considered for that matter exhibits the shocking ignorance of tactics and strategy in the “movement”.

So you surely ask, what do you propose? Simply a total in change in the structure and scope of propaganda designed to expose Jewish machinations. “The Jew” is a vague, confusing, and ambiguous term not easily conveyed to most people. Frankly, the hysterical propaganda the movement has been putting out for the last 50 years paints the Jews as omnipresent and omniscient, which is not, nor has ever been the case.

After all, that mentality inspires defeatism from the beginning-how does one kill a God? And Godhood is what we have given the Jews ladies and gentleman; we have painted them as masterminds and tactical planners of the highest order! What was the purpose of this? To inspire fear in the rest of our Race to get them to join us? It obviously didn’t work, and now we are left with the specter of the ZOG-God being which exists only in our minds. This illusion, this ZOG-God prevents us from perceiving reality properly.

We must not solely “name the Jew”; this is doomed to failure by our own hand. Rather, we must focus on smaller units that are more easily identified by the human mind just as the ZOG-God is too “big” to comprehend, it must be broken down into AIPAC, The Democrat/Republican parties, the ADL, Federal Reserve, Mossad, Hollywood, the SPLC, and the like, similar to how deities sent avatars to Earth, their true forms being simply inconceivable to mortals. It sickens me to put the Jewish problem on a cosmic scale, but we ourselves made the ZOG-God, and we must take responsibility for it if it is ever to go away.

Gradually, as people begin to understand these separate entities all represent one interest, one voice, one people; that interest advancing the hatred that is Judaism, they can begin to see the thin lines binding all of those organizations and realize they are in fact one and draw their own conclusions. The Jewish power machine stems from illusion and confusion. I made sure it rhymed so it is easily remembered. The Jew does not want to be seen as small units operating towards a common goal, because small units can be destroyed, their links to the other units severed, weakening the system as a whole.

This is why we must drop “naming the Jew” if we ever hope to win! We must adapt to the realization it will not work, human beings, with their short life spans, are not designed to truly understand the big picture and we cannot go against nature. We have to present the enemy as he really is, which is not one big secret cabal, but as several small units fighting against us on many fronts, by many names, with many different uniforms. Honestly, this is the only way to present the Jewish problem to people in the age of the ten-second sound byte. We must show them the door through a rational, perceptually correct explanation of what the myriad Jewish entities are up to, and let them sever the lines connecting them all in their own mind, freeing themselves and letting them draw their own conclusions.

Remember, the fieriest converts are the ones who found God and then joined the Church, not the other way around. When people reach their own conclusions like this, they feel empowered, like they discovered something new and great and want to share it with the world, this is precisely what we need to get the word out. On a large enough scale, this could result in the dissolution of several Jewish hate-groups, weakening them enough to give us a fighting chance.

"After all, that mentality inspires defeatism from the beginning-how does one kill a God? And Godhood is what we have given the Jews ladies and gentleman; we have painted them as masterminds and tactical planners of the highest order! What was the purpose of this? To inspire fear in the rest of our Race to get them to join us? It obviously didn’t work, and now we are left with the specter of the ZOG-God being which exists only in our minds. This illusion, this ZOG-God prevents us from perceiving reality properly."



Hysteria and exxageration seem a constant component of this mivement. It is not simply restricted to the Jew thing, but other aspects of our situation as well. We do indeed tend to turn our enemiers in to Gods, as you have said, possibly in the hope that by scaring people enough we will awaken them
We do the same thing with the Negro. He is built up as a testosterone laden muscle bound sexual God, apalling and repulsive in any other manner to be sure, but sweeping up every White female in site.
You see the same thing with the issue of racial mixture. WNs present it in a grotesque an an exxagerated manner as possible, not only in areas where this is undeniably the case, such as India and the dominican Republic, but nearly everywhere, outside of Northwest Europe
Even there, WNs routinely double triple or quadruple nembers of NW inmmigrants, etc. Possibly again with the same thing in mind, panicing enough Whites into acting.
Yet in all of these instances this strategy has been a terrible failure. The mass of uninformed Whites simply dismiss it as paranoid rantings. Better informed Whites in the early stages of awakening willl hear it , crack open an almanac or simply use their own recollection of things in real life, than decide to dismiss us.
Its effect is no less devestating on those already in the movement. All of us know that Gods cannot be killed. Thus, the "War" against ZOG becomes as much of a "War" as a "War" between men and ants. Defeatism, panic, and all sorts of unrealistic schemes become the order of the day. What most do not realize thouigh is that these "gods" are simply our own weakness and doubt staring back at us

What most do not realize thouigh is that these "gods" are simply our own weakness and doubts staring back at us. We imagine that we exxagerate to awaken, when a more likely explanation is that while we might have superficiallly become racialists, we have not purged the fear and self loathing that is programmedi nto White people by society from us on any save a very superficial level.

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