PRESS RELEASE

Introducing the White Freedom Party...America's first political party

- advocating Aryan interests

and specifically

- naming the jew as the agent of White genocide and greatest obstacle to our people's self-preservation as a distinct and protected race.

On those two principles, the WHITE FREEDOM PARTY makes its stand.

We aren't here to get granny more pills. We aren't here to force you at gunpoint to give us your money to plant colonies of colored criminals in Section 8 housing next door. We aren't here to bootlick jews inventing lies about Weapons of Mass Destruction so they can send your boy overseas to die for Israel.

You can get all that from the Republicrats, the Party that hates White men...


VOTE White Freedom Party, because...

- we put your White interests FIRST - and nothing second

- we will bring troops HOME FROM IRAQ - immediately

- we will END the Mexican invasion

- we will PROTECT your free speech

- we will FIGHT the gun-deniers

- we will RESCIND so-called civil rights laws preventing you from protecting your families and communities against colored criminals sicced on you by the same people trying to tape your mouth and take your gun

- we will WAGE NONSTOP WAR on the jews, coloreds, and mainstream sellouts forcing you to subsidize all of the above horrors

In summation, we will allow you and yours to live as free, independent, and dignified adults in a nation controlled by civilized men who look and think and act like members of your own family...because they are.

Your choice is SIMPLE.

If you're tired of being a THIRD-CLASS CITIZEN in the land YOUR PEOPLE CREATED, there's only one group representing your interests:

The WHITE FREEDOM PARTY.

Join today!

And help us make a better world for Aryankind.


Details coming soon...

Consider me a member of America's one and only White interest political party.

Looking forward to more details soon......

Consider me a member of America's one and only White interest political party.

Looking forward to more details soon......

Thanks, DB, glad to hear it.

In short, Miller and I will be running for Congress in our respective districts in 2006. We expect more candidates embracing our platform will join us. The platform and more will be posted on our website, which will be headquartered at whitefreedomparty.org. It should be up within the next 24 hours. We'll be adding to it, and of course letting you know in this forum.

Day to day, in addition to campaigning, our party will focus on educating the educable via VNN, VNNF, and TAA.

WFP will encourage members and nonmembers to coordinate and cooperate in all ways in Aryanizing their lives. There's a full spectrum of opportunities for party members, depending on time and capacity:

- running for office
- helping with campaigns
- distributing TAA
- raising money
- contributing stories to VNN
- joining other Aryans to form safe zones

All these activities are completely legal, and more than that, highly necessary, in light of the jewish hate campaign aimed at our extermination.

The founders of the new party decided to hold a contest to come up with the very best symbol and/or flag for the party, so if you have a great idea, or even merely an interesting idea, post it here.

Also, anyone with questions may post them here. This forum will be a moderated forum; that is, we will remove any posts that we feel are non-constructive, mostly for housekeeping. If you're not interested in the party, you may start a thread honestly critiquing it, but stay out of threads where active discussion among those seeking to prosper it occur. And of course, honest questions are fair in any thread.

TAA #2 awaits some long needed technical upgrades on my part, which are taking place right now. I've procured the necessary software, and as soon as I'm set up will be formatting up #2 and rushing it to the printer. It will be 16 pages, and it will be better than #1 and #1a, which is in no way to disparage my great love for those printings and the fine people who helped put them together and distribute them.

Thanks, DB, glad to hear it.

In short, Miller and I will be running for Congress in our respective districts in 2006. We expect more candidates embracing our platform will join us.

Count me in! By the way, Alex. In regard to Miller, I know some states prohibit ex-felons from running for political office, New Mexico being one of them. Has Glenn checked out Missouri state laws?

Count me in! By the way, Alex. In regard to Miller, I know some states prohibit ex-felons from running for political office, New Mexico being one of them. Has Glenn checked out Missouri state laws?

Well Bill Clinton was elected and there's plenty of niggers in Congress, so I'm guessing Glenn's just fine.

Well Bill Clinton was elected and there's plenty of niggers in Congress, so I'm guessing Glenn's just fine.

Uhh, are you sure you want to word it that way?

Uhh, are you sure you want to word it that way?

Heh I think you have a point there Colonel Kurtz. This is a very great thing and I think its safey to say that we would all want to see this really go somewhere. This could be a very good thing. If this gets going and the Aryan Video Explosion as someone talked about in the Main Discussion does too, this could be a very good thing indeed.

But yes, I think things will have to change quite a bit now. You probably dont want to use any racial epiphets as that will just let Jews have more weapons against you. Unless of course you plan to make the party into a "hard hitting" sort of thing with tasteful racial epiphets as VNN seems to do. (Tasteful as in not going the way of the Jerry Springer racists and mindlessly shouting "nigger, kike, etc.")

In the wake of such news, I think that those who have not done so yet, should read David Duke's My Awakening as a portion of his book deals with his bid to run in some elections, although I'm afraid I forgot for which seats. Anyway, it will give you a good idea how the Jewish media operates when a circumstance such as this occurs and the candidate actually has a chance.

As we already know, its going to be very important to stay away from the Jerry Springer racists and other racialists that give the "movement" a bad name. Unless of course you plan to gather support from any and every racialist.

Sorry for droning on but just throwing out some obvious ideas there to keep in mind for more chances of success. We already know how far things have been demonized and theres no need to hamper yourself.

As much as I hate to say this, if this Party is built into something very real that has a very real chance of success, then the VNN forum will have to be cleaned up somewhat if it is to be used as a learning tool.

White Freedom Party: An idea who's time has come.

Very good. If that statement should be used anywhere, its here. Perhaps a slogan? Heh, this is kind of exciting news. I think I might even support this if this turns into something real. Odin knows that theres White people all across America that have been waiting for something like this, even if they dont want to admit it.

DB, Georgie and Steve B, welcome aboard! You're the hardcore elite, not mere hobbyist fuckwads! I know, I know, we're losers cuz we name the Jews...

I would have to figure out how to go about supporting something like this because of my current situation. Still going to college and living with my parents, and only 19 with no car. Uhh, but thats a whole 'nother story and thread hehe.

This is something I have been waiting for. Linder, Rounder, I know Ive given you guys trouble over the Aryan Alternative and such and I apologize for that. I just REALLY REALLY hope that this is taken to a serious level. (i.e. like David Duke). Spengler was very right. This is an idea whose time has come.

I think that there should be a running front on both local and national levels. Infact, we would probably have a better chance at winning local events. Which is not a bad thing at all. If we could get a large number of candidates, we could fill alot of local positions and practicaly take over a state. If that were to happen, that state could be created into something of a White safe zone.

One of the most important things will be for the party to make news and let people know about it, and not only that, go into this election thing with a very serious attitude and try to succeed. If people see that this party starts to have success, I think it will give it major support and probably have more candidates join up.

Also, well have to make sure to keep the attention of the people. I know how announcing something can "rally the troops" so to speak but soon it fades away if nothing is followed up.

I would have to figure out how to go about supporting something like this because of my current situation.

This is something I have been waiting for. Linder, Rounder, I just REALLY REALLY hope that this is taken to a serious level. (i.e. like David Duke). Spengler was very right. This is an idea whose time has come.

It is hard to believe you are the same person that made this thread about Miller.
Which forum member is a jew? (http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=14492)

It is hard to believe you are the same person that made this thread about Miller.
Which forum member is a jew? (http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=14492)

Perhaps itz a joke thread, Duckless? Or does irony escape you?

Yes it was a joke and I apologize for that.
http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=178266

On the issue of the forum, I reckon alot of people will be quite mad if changes are going to be made to it to turn it into something usable by the WFP than just a relaxation spot. Of course, its also going to depend on the success of the WFP. If this is to be serious, I'm sure that many curious people will start showing up here and the last thing we want is for the forum to be in the state it is now!

Ahhh so many decisions. Anyway, I'm getting ahead of myself. As I said in that thread I posted, I'm just a measly poster and its all up to Alex.

Perhaps itz a joke thread, Duckless? Or does irony escape you?
Oh yeah I see, no wait apparently I don’t.

Between your childish humor and third grade name calling and Georgies dramatic escapades and soap opera like antics I fail to see the humor in either of you.

He is all fun and games and then when he gets caught up he backs down.

At last! The great American race rises up to defend its interests. I look forward greatly to seeing some mainstream press generated by this.

How about getting some NAMES on board? Rich Brooks, Ed Steele, Duke, et al.?

This is great news, and I can't think of another WN I'd want running representing White racists. I hope to contribute anyway I can, financially or otherwise! GOOD LUCK!!!!

PRESS RELEASE

Introducing the White Freedom Party...America's first political party

- advocating Aryan interests

and specifically

- naming the jew as the agent of White genocide and greatest obstacle to our people's self-preservation as a distinct and protected race.

On those two principles, the WHITE FREEDOM PARTY makes its stand.

We aren't here to get granny more pills. We aren't here to force you at gunpoint to give us your money to plant colonies of colored criminals in Section 8 housing next door. We aren't here to bootlick jews inventing lies about Weapons of Mass Destruction so they can send your boy overseas to die for Israel.

You can get all that from the Republicrats, the Party that hates White men...


VOTE White Freedom Party, because...

- we put your White interests FIRST - and nothing second

- we will bring troops HOME FROM IRAQ - immediately

- we will END the Mexican invasion

- we will PROTECT your free speech

- we will FIGHT the gun-deniers

- we will RESCIND so-called civil rights laws preventing you from protecting your families and communities against colored criminals sicced on you by the same people trying to tape your mouth and take your gun

- we will WAGE NONSTOP WAR on the jews, coloreds, and mainstream sellouts forcing you to subsidize all of the above horrors

In summation, we will allow you and yours to live as free, independent, and dignified adults in a nation controlled by civilized men who look and think and act like members of your own family...because they are.

Your choice is SIMPLE.

If you're tired of being a THIRD-CLASS CITIZEN in the land YOUR PEOPLE CREATED, there's only one group representing your interests:

The WHITE FREEDOM PARTY.

Join today!

And help us make a better world for Aryankind.


Details coming soon...

The White Freedom Party was officially approved by Alex Linder following a virtual non-stop, two and a half day meeting (14-16 Jan 05), which was attended by 5 VNN men - Alex Linder, Will Williams, myself and two others - one an outstanding young writer, the other an experienced and talented young movie maker, whose names I won't take the liberty to reveal here.

In addition to fielding at least a dozen candidates in the 06 elections, the WFP "cadre" will include writers, movie makers, financial contributors, computer/internet experts, and other top quality men and women approved by Alex Linder, selected for their talents and contributions to the Party.

My felony conviction does not prevent me from running for the U.S. Congress, and I will run with or without my association with Alex and VNN. Candidates receive enormous public speaking opportunities, ie., invitations to address special interest groups, TV, radio, and newspaper interviews, etc. And I understand that federal law compels newspapers and radio stations to run paid ads by political candidates.

There are many, many talented, brilliant and capable VNN'ers who hopefully will contact Alex and become part of our new Party's top "cadre". So think about it. We only live once, Right ? Now's the time to release all that pent-up disgust we all have in our guts, by coming forward - Be a Man - Take a Stand - Join the "cadre" of the White Freedom Party !!!

Be certain that his concern is not entirely about Miller. Consider the name of the other candidate in Georgie's spoof poll, the landslide winner: doc martin.

Perhaps itz a joke thread, Duckless? Or does irony escape you?
Originally Posted by sean(doc)martin
It is hard to believe you are the same person that made this thread about Miller.
Which forum member is a jew? (http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=14492)

I'm on board. This sounds good to me.
At least Linder has a clean record and can go forward.

Can the party reach out to Jim Giles of Mississippi?


Be certain that his concern is not entirely about Miller. Consider the name of the other candidate in Georgie's spoof poll, the landslide winner: doc martin.

I didn't catch this when I last posted. I wasn't sniping. Good for you.

You surely know, though, that your record will be an ever-present liability, a target for your enemies inside and out of the White 'movement".

The White Freedom Party was officially approved by Alex Linder following a virtual non-stop, two and a half day meeting (14-16 Jan 05), which was attended by 5 VNN men - Alex Linder, Will Williams, myself and two others - one an outstanding young writer, the other an experienced and talented young movie maker, whose names I won't take the liberty to reveal here.

In addition to fielding at least a dozen candidates in the 06 elections, the WFP "cadre" will include writers, movie makers, financial contributors, computer/internet experts, and other top quality men and women approved by Alex Linder, selected for their talents and contributions to the Party.

My felony conviction does not prevent me from running for the U.S. Congress, and I will run with or without my association with Alex and VNN. Candidates receive enormous public speaking opportunities, ie., invitations to address special interest groups, TV, radio, and newspaper interviews, etc. And I understand that federal law compels newspapers and radio stations to run paid ads by political candidates.

There are many, many talented, brilliant and capable VNN'ers who hopefully will contact Alex and become part of our new Party's top "cadre". So think about it. We only live once, Right ? Now's the time to release all that pent-up disgust we all have in our guts, by coming forward - Be a Man - Take a Stand - Join the "cadre" of the White Freedom Party !!!

I didn't catch this when I last posted. I wasn't sniping. Good for you.

You surely know, though, that your record will be an ever-present liability, a target for your enemies inside and out of the White 'movement".
Good point, Momus. Yeah, the jewish press hounds and their goyim boot licker journalists will bring up my "baggage" during my campaign, that's for sure. But most everyone has "baggage" in their past. Personal "baggage" is precisely what has prevented many WNs from running for office. They're too terrified that the jews' media will reveal it publicly. They are silenced and paralyzed by the prospect.

Damn the kike torpedos. Full steam ahead and into the faces of the GD yids with TRUTHS. And let Providence decide our fates. We have nothing to lose but our chains. Besides, I'm as hard and tough as Krupp Steele, anyhow.

Mr. Miller won't have any problem running for a Federal office ( US Congress, US Senate, Pres or VP). Most states do bar convicted felons from holding office. Unless they've changed the law Tennessee didn't bar ex-cons. There was a guy back there a former Sheriff who had been convicted of beating prisoners who ran for office again as soon as he got out of Federal prison. The only thing the state said about him running was if he was elected, he couldn't carry a gun. I think now in Tennessee a Sheriff must meet state law enforcement standards which would of course bar a convicted felon. Good luck to Mr. Miller & Alex Linder. I am looking forward to hearing more about the White Freedom Party and will probably become a member.

Mr. Miller won't have any problem running for a Federal office ( US Congress, US Senate, Pres or VP). Most states do bar convicted felons from holding office. Unless they've changed the law Tennessee didn't bar ex-cons. There was a guy back there a former Sheriff who had been convicted of beating prisoners who ran for office again as soon as he got out of Federal prison. The only thing the state said about him running was if he was elected, he couldn't carry a gun. I think now in Tennessee a Sheriff must meet state law enforcement standards which would of course bar a convicted felon. Good luck to Mr. Miller & Alex Linder. I am looking forward to hearing more about the White Freedom Party and will probably become a member.
Thanks for voicing your support, SA Mann. And also for distributing all those VNN tabloid newspapers.

Yeah, VNN and the White Freedom Party will face lots of problems in future. But I don't recognize problems, only challenging situations solved by bold, appropriate reactions. They're want makes life worth living, eh ?

A positive development at VNNforum, for once...

Immediate suggestions:

1. Incorporate our Compact into your position statements:

http://www.rebelarmy.com/compact.htm

Note: Plagiarize at will, we’re not “paytriots.” Attribution would be nice.

2. Get a handle on what's required to facilitate White energy and economic independence, here:

“I believe local energy independence with locally made tools and machinery is our answer to the growing energy crisis, and the only answer. These are the kinds of economic policies I will be pursuing when I'm elected to Congress. As Congressman a lot of my work will be tearing down the obstacles that have been created by outside forces to prevent this kind of high level local economy.” - Giles

http://www.rebelarmy.com/index/localenergy.htm

3. Observe strict legality in all things related to party and campaign, observing both letter and spirit of the law.

4. Be an “open book.” Eschew financial “secrecy” in terms of campaign donations, sources and expenditures. Information provided to Federal and State governments must be provided to your supporters.

5. Signatures required to place the WFP on 2006 ballot should be obtained ASAP.

6. Determine Miller's legal status as both convicted felon and candidate, ASAP.

This is great news, and I can't think of another WN I'd want running representing White racists. I hope to contribute anyway I can, financially or otherwise! GOOD LUCK!!!!
I appreciate your support and enthusiasm, SheerTerror.

Oh BTW, Alex also approved the July 05 White Pride Day Celebrations which will be held in Springfield, MO (94 percent White). Thousands will attend, mostly fed-up but proud White Ozarkians from S.W. Missouri. I guarantee it. Lots of flags, coupla bands, a street march by thousands, WN booths set up, short speeches by Party leaders over 2 days of mass demonstrations of White Pride, White Heritage, and White Solidarity. Mark my words. It will happen.

Alex will also conduct a meeting with our top Party "cadres", in conjunction with the celebrations, which BTW will include the crowning of a Miss White America, a Miss White Missouri, and the official Party proclamation of July being White History Month, nationwide.

Congratulations for your courage and planning. I extend my best wishes and hopes for future success.

$200 in the mail to you yesterday to help underwrite the expansion of TAA tabloid number 2.

This is great. That press release was fantastic as well. As much as I doubt we can take back the country from the Jews through electoral politics, I tend to also feel that history will not look kindly upon us if we don't at least try. I think we have 2006 and 2008 to make it a success if that's even possible, beyond which it may not be possible at all. Since this is the ONLY plan on the table for saving our race, I'd say itz the BEST plan. Letz do it!


John

A positive development at VNNforum, for once...

Immediate suggestions:

1. Incorporate our Compact into your position statements:

http://www.rebelarmy.com/compact.htm

Note: Plagiarize at will, we’re not “paytriots.” Attribution would be nice.

2. Get a handle on what's required to facilitate White energy and economic independence, here:

“I believe local energy independence with locally made tools and machinery is our answer to the growing energy crisis, and the only answer. These are the kinds of economic policies I will be pursuing when I'm elected to Congress. As Congressman a lot of my work will be tearing down the obstacles that have been created by outside forces to prevent this kind of high level local economy.” - Giles

http://www.rebelarmy.com/index/localenergy.htm

3. Observe strict legality in all things related to party and campaign, observing both letter and spirit of the law.

4. Be an “open book.” Eschew financial “secrecy” in terms of campaign donations, sources and expenditures. Information provided to Federal and State governments must be provided to your supporters.

5. Signatures required to place the WFP on 2006 ballot should be obtained ASAP.

6. Determine Miller's legal status as both convicted felon and candidate, ASAP.


Incorporate your "compact"?

Thatz a bad idea, I think. While there are some things in the "compact" which are not bad ideas, most of it is silly and unnecessary (i.e. ending ALL immigration - white immigration is fine by me). Instead of "diversity in media" how about no Jews can own media, or how about State-run media? If we ultimately win on a national level, wouldnt that be the best option?
I dont think that compact even mentions the Jews. Thw WFP should not stray into issues that don't relate to White Freedom.


John

July being named White History Month is freakin awesome!
THIS is an idea that can and will be supported by joe sickpack and sally soccermom.....incremental steps being up large changes over time.
I've always though that step #1 is developing racial consciousness...everything else will just naturally flow like a beautiful river.

Expect periodicals like Newsweek, Time, USnews&World Report to carry that story. Would be interesting to see how the jews at these mags. write about White History Month - that could be an opening in itself. There is no logical reason that there does not exist a White History Month already!

Just brainstorming here:
the democrats have a donkey, the republicans an elephant...how about a Wolf for the WFP mascot. Wolfs are beautiful and tend to join packs and are native to the North American Continent. Strong, yet good to look at.
Highly respected animal...more than a silly ass and a comical elephant.

Flag: that was a really cool flag Spengler. Reminds me of Denmark or Sweden with the traditional cross in that way. Colors, not bad. I'm thinking more red, white and blue. This is OUR land.
We can work on this idea, although let's know rule out southern battle flags, iron crosses and the like.
Less is more sometimes....maybe a blue flag with a red Nordic cross and blue sort of emblem in the corner...something like this.

Slogan: America for Americans or 'WFP: Looking out for YOUR interests'
I'll work on this...

Maybe a cover group that is business oriented, no money and no contacts is an uphill battle...something like 'The American Nationalist Union' which will try to make business contacts and win support from American small businesses/the little corner stores and mom&pop that have a hard time competing with NAFTA and all the free trade zones and policies that have been enacted. Union workers and blue collars main concern is econmics, not race right now - the ANU could be like a branch operation or econmic wing of the WFP.

Can't wait for the political convention. This will be in July 2005 right?

Glad to hear it. It is good to provide a political outlet to support as you inform whites of the truth with your publication. It actually makes me smile to think that there could be a place to retire to when I come home to the states. Good Luck and keep up the good fight.

Nazibunny

In regard to Miller, I know some states prohibit ex-felons from running for political office, New Mexico being one of them. Has Glenn checked out Missouri state laws?Nigger Marion Barry was re-elected as DC mayor after he got out of prison for smoking crack with a prostitute.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/forum/barry.JPG

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/usa/marion-barry/200892.4.jpg
The Wisdom of Marion Barry:
http://www.grrlscout.com/metrodork/barry.html

heres a little logo type thing i made
its not that great but i was bored so oh well

A positive development at VNNforum, for once...

Immediate suggestions:

1. Incorporate our Compact into your position statements:

http://www.rebelarmy.com/compact.htm

Note: Plagiarize at will, we’re not “paytriots.” Attribution would be nice.

2. Get a handle on what's required to facilitate White energy and economic independence, here:

“I believe local energy independence with locally made tools and machinery is our answer to the growing energy crisis, and the only answer. These are the kinds of economic policies I will be pursuing when I'm elected to Congress. As Congressman a lot of my work will be tearing down the obstacles that have been created by outside forces to prevent this kind of high level local economy.” - Giles

http://www.rebelarmy.com/index/localenergy.htm

3. Observe strict legality in all things related to party and campaign, observing both letter and spirit of the law.

4. Be an “open book.” Eschew financial “secrecy” in terms of campaign donations, sources and expenditures. Information provided to Federal and State governments must be provided to your supporters.

5. Signatures required to place the WFP on 2006 ballot should be obtained ASAP.

6. Determine Miller's legal status as both convicted felon and candidate, ASAP.
t-electric, as I said, my felony conviction does not prevent me from running for office here in MO. I phoned the board of elections prior to the last elections to confirm it because I was all set to run then, but changed my mind when I found out Lindstedt was running for governor while running his lying mouth publicly about me.

The White Freedom Party won't be on the ballot in 06. But White Freedom Party "cadre" will be. We'll run as democrats or republicans, while building up the WFP. Hell, if I'm not mistaken, it requires 50,000 registered signatures in NC to get a new party on the ballot there. Even more in other states, I suspect.

Regarding Jim Giles, I personally like him and sent him a $30 or $40 campaign donation. Alex is the approval authority for Party "cadre", though.

Congratulations for your courage and planning. I extend my best wishes and hopes for future success.

$200 in the mail to you yesterday to help underwrite the expansion of TAA tabloid number 2.
Thanks again, A.E. Your $200 plus the $900-plus tabloid balance, plus Alex is kicking in $200 too, makes $1,300 we'll have on hand for the printing of issue #2.

Now then....since I've about got Alex talked into printing 20,000 copies of the 16-pager which will cost $1,854, all we need is another $554.00 to make it happen. (My Klansman friend has agreed to let me use his pick up truck for hauling that much weight).

In other words, yaw'll send me some money and 20,000 copies of Alex Linder's dynamite VNN tabloid newspaper issue $ 2, will appear in my recreation room, ready for ordering and distribution around the Jew-S-of-A.

Send check, cash, or MO to:

Glenn Miller
PO Box 3861,
Springfield, MO 65808
(tel: 417-258-7785)

(NOTE: Issue #2 will include a section advertising The White Freedom Party)

heres a little logo type thing i made
its not that great but i was bored so oh well
Hot damn, varg !! If you and I weren't on such rotten speaking terms, I'd say that's one hell of an attractive symbol. (Alex will check it out when he wakes up. As I understand it, he's a nite-person).

July being named White History Month is freakin awesome!
THIS is an idea that can and will be supported by joe sickpack and sally soccermom.....incremental steps being up large changes over time.
I've always though that step #1 is developing racial consciousness...everything else will just naturally flow like a beautiful river.

Expect periodicals like Newsweek, Time, USnews&World Report to carry that story. Would be interesting to see how the jews at these mags. write about White History Month - that could be an opening in itself. There is no logical reason that there does not exist a White History Month already!

Just brainstorming here:
the democrats have a donkey, the republicans an elephant...how about a Wolf for the WFP mascot. Wolfs are beautiful and tend to join packs and are native to the North American Continent. Strong, yet good to look at.
Highly respected animal...more than a silly ass and a comical elephant.

Flag: that was a really cool flag Spengler. Reminds me of Denmark or Sweden with the traditional cross in that way. Colors, not bad. I'm thinking more red, white and blue. This is OUR land.
We can work on this idea, although let's know rule out southern battle flags, iron crosses and the like.
Less is more sometimes....maybe a blue flag with a red Nordic cross and blue sort of emblem in the corner...something like this.

Slogan: America for Americans or 'WFP: Looking out for YOUR interests'
I'll work on this...

Maybe a cover group that is business oriented, no money and no contacts is an uphill battle...something like 'The American Nationalist Union' which will try to make business contacts and win support from American small businesses/the little corner stores and mom&pop that have a hard time competing with NAFTA and all the free trade zones and policies that have been enacted. Union workers and blue collars main concern is econmics, not race right now - the ANU could be like a branch operation or econmic wing of the WFP.

Can't wait for the political convention. This will be in July 2005 right?
Yeah John, July 2005 is correct, and it'll be held in conjunction with our White Pride Day celebrations in Springfield, MO.

Thanks for your enthusiasm, and also for your heroic weekend of publicly passing out tabloids. Damn good blows struck against our enemies.

Incorporate your "compact"?

Thatz a bad idea, I think. While there are some things in the "compact" which are not bad ideas, most of it is silly and unnecessary (i.e. ending ALL immigration - white immigration is fine by me). Instead of "diversity in media" how about no Jews can own media, or how about State-run media? If we ultimately win on a national level, wouldnt that be the best option?
I dont think that compact even mentions the Jews. Thw WFP should not stray into issues that don't relate to White Freedom.


John


1. The compact is intended to be a guideline, counsel, it ain't written in stone. Tailor it to local conditions.

2. While White nationalists prefer opening the doors to White immigration and halting the inflow of mud, astute WN candidates may well have to bend to local constituencies holding certain odd and old-fashioned ideas like "fairness." Ending ALL immigration is not only "fair," but halts the inflow of mud as effectively as anything you can come up with.

3. Before adopting the plank "no Jews can own media," White nationalist candidates must legally define the concepts of "Jew" and "White." Can you do this, counsel, and avoid the problem of ex post facto legislation? (The government defines north Africans and "Middle Easterners" as "White.") If so, then go for it! If not, then supporting "diversity in media" is a viable alternative for getting one's WN foot in the congressional door while building an effective local movement.

4. I defy you to logically, rationally explain how "ending ALL immigration" and supporting "diversity in media" DOES NOT facilitate White freedom of association in these "United States," counsel.


Edit: Given the federal definition of "White," the ONLY way to politically differentiate ourselves from the Jew and avoid the problem cited in 3, above, is for us to define ourselves as Occidentals - that is, non-Jewish descendants of European Christendom. We may then "borrow" Israel's definition of Jew to further delineate the difference.

Thanks again, A.E. Your $200 plus the $900-plus tabloid balance, plus Alex is kicking in $200 too, makes $1,300 we'll have on hand for the printing of issue #2.

Now then....since I've about got Alex talked into printing 20,000 copies of the 16-pager which will cost $1,854, all we need is another $554.00 to make it happen. (My Klansman friend has agreed to let me use his pick up truck for hauling that much weight).

In other words, yaw'll send me some money and 20,000 copies of Alex Linder's dynamite VNN tabloid newspaper issue $ 2, will appear in my recreation room, ready for ordering and distribution around the Jew-S-of-A.

Send check, cash, or MO to:

Glenn Miller
PO Box 3861,
Springfield, MO 65808
(tel: 417-258-7785)

(NOTE: Issue #2 will include a section advertising The White Freedom Party)

Going to send out $20 for you tomorrow. I'm sorry its so little but its all I can send right now.

heres a little logo type thing i made
its not that great but i was bored so oh well

This is excellent work, V! No copyright infringement, here (http://www.vnnforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2389)

Going to send out $20 for you tomorrow. I'm sorry its so little but its all I can send right now.
Hell, from a young man attending school, it's a generous donation. Include a note telling me what you want it to be used for. (Donation or for 150 or so tabloids).

And thanks.

Hell, from a young man attending school, it's a generous donation. Include a note telling me what you want it to be used for. (Donation or for 150 or so tabloids).

And thanks.

Gotcha. Already done. (Going to be a donation to help get issue 2 printed).

Wonderful news! I to look foward to jioning and working with the White Freedom Party. A big Hail Victory to Alex, Glenn, Will and others who came together to make this happen. For the last two years I've been talking to different people about this idea and now it's happened by the hands of those with the will to do it, congratulations on a job well done.

What about the American flag, but with the Confederate flag (without the stars) replacing the section which bears the 50 stars ?

Also, I like the idea of adopting the Wolf as the Party's mascot. Perhaps we can find one for display at the July Party Conference.

Wonderful news! I to look foward to jioning and working with the White Freedom Party. A big Hail Victory to Alex, Glenn, Will and others who came together to make this happen. For the last two years I've been talking to different people about this idea and now it's happened by the hands of those with the will to do it, congratulations on a job well done.
Well now VNN Race fans, how about this indorsement of the White Freedom Party - The Great, and long time Activist (with a capital A) Ron Doggett. Believe it, no indorsement we get will top his.

Thanks much, Ron. And BTW, your name came up first on our list, during last week end's planning session. From Will most especially, since you and he have worked so closely for the Cause for almost two decades.

Alex will be mighty pleased to read your above post.

Just about everybody here knows White Will (Will Williams of NC), from reading his hard-hitting, no-nonsense inputs to this forum for much longer than I've been here.

Anyhow, Will attended the planning meeting, then left early Sunday morning for the 800 mile trip home. Cold as a witch'es tit and snowing. His transmission went out on him somewhere in "lizard lick" Tennesse, so he had to drive 25-30 miles in 2nd gear, including on some rural roads trying to find a Sunday mechanic. Finally find one, but had to leave his vehicle for the repair job. Then he got a motel, then took a 40-mile taxi ride to the bus station in Nashville where he caught a bus home. The repair bill will be over $2,000, and he has to find somebody to drive him 500 miles back to TN to pick up his vehicle.

Will is a former Green Beret Captain with two tours in Vietnam with a temper to match. Highly pissed he was. But he says he's mighty pleased with the meeting and it's results.

Good to see the enthusiasm from everybody.

Glenn, let us know as soon as you have the exact date for our White Pride Day. This will be a family event, only secondarily political.

I hope more of you, more newcomers and first-timers, will consider getting involved.

What we're dealing with is a rotten system. We must build alternative structures in virtually every area of life: schools, media, etc.

Down the road, in the mid-term, a group of us are considering co-locating, in order to build a White colony.

So the White Freedom Party offers just about any level of engagement you feel comfortable with.

What about the American flag, but with the Confederate flag (without the stars) replacing the section which bears the 50 stars?I dunno. It seems sort of awkward, with or without the stars.

I dunno. It seems sort of awkward, with or without the stars.
Course I'm from the South, therefore a wee bit biased, but that flag looks damn good to me. And the 13 stars inside the Confederate Battle Flag could represent the original 13 colonies. It also illustrates inclusion of Southerners, and unification of Northerners and Southerners, in one flag. I really don't see how it could offend any White person. And it would enhance recruitment efforts, especially in Southern states.

I'd like to hear more comments, though. And Alex will make the final decision after listening to all sides.

Just about everybody here knows White Will (Will Williams of NC), from reading his hard-hitting, no-nonsense inputs to this forum for much longer than I've been here.

Anyhow, Will attended the planning meeting, then left early Sunday morning for the 800 mile trip home. Cold as a witch'es tit and snowing. His transmission went out on him somewhere in "lizard lick" Tennesse, so he had to drive 25-30 miles in 2nd gear, including on some rural roads trying to find a Sunday mechanic. Finally find one, but had to leave his vehicle for the repair job. Then he got a motel, then took a 40-mile taxi ride to the bus station in Nashville where he caught a bus home. The repair bill will be over $2,000, and he has to find somebody to drive him 500 miles back to TN to pick up his vehicle.

Will is a former Green Beret Captain with two tours in Vietnam with a temper to match. Highly pissed he was. But he says he's mighty pleased with the meeting and it's results.

Ha! I just now rolled back into to North Carolina in a rental unit, not a bus, thank Gawd. I found out earlier today the repairs to my Japmobile will be $2,731.25, not to mention all the associated expenses of breaking down far from home that will run the cost of my little adventure to well over $3,500. But, like you said, Glenn, the results of our historical little brainstorming session to hammer out a White political party were so positive and inspiring that I wouldn't have missed it at twice that cost.

It's not surprising to me to see the positive response to Alex's announcement on this thread and the early endorsements by big Ron Doggett and others. It'z time! Many will fall in behind us and beside us and new leaders will emerge from those the White Freedom Party attracts.

Hail victory!

Ha! I just now rolled back into to North Carolina in a rental unit, not a bus, thank Gawd. I found out earlier today the repairs to my Japmobile will be $2,731.25, not to mention all the associated expenses of breaking down far from home that will run the cost of my little adventure to well over $3,500. But, like you said, Glenn, the results of our historical little brainstorming session to hammer out a White political party were so positive and inspiring that I wouldn't have missed it at twice that cost.

It's not surprising to me to see the positive response to Alex's announcement on this thread and the early endorsements by big Ron Doggett and others. It'z time! Many will fall in behind us and beside us and new leaders will emerge from those the White Freedom Party attracts.

Hail victory!

Ugh, sorry to hear about the car, Will. For those unacquainted with Will, he's a one-man compendium of knowledge about and direct involvement with pretty much everything that has happened in WN for the last three decades. Highly instructive to listen to him.

And yes, we welcome John Doggett's endorsement. He's a fine man, and a long-time activist, and those who recall his speech in Topeka know that in fact the people really are on our side, as demonstrated by their behavior, if not always their words.

The White Freedom Party will provide leadership so that people can speak their minds and vote their consciences, as they have not been able to do for decades now.

HERE'S A FLAG IDEA THAT JUST CAME IN via EMAIL... (I like this idea. I'd like to see some discussion of the raised points.)



I suggest the "Don't Tread on Me" flad from the revolutionary war period (the Gadsden flag). The flag has a yellow background with a white rattlesnake above the slogan.

This is the right message to send: the White Freedom Party means that it is no longer safe for the establishment to step on White people and their interests to serve the interests of Jews and non-Whites.

I would make one change, though. Yellow is a bad background color, the color of piss and cowardice. Massed yellow flags flying in the wind would not be a pretty sight.

I would prefer a white background with a realistically colored brown rattler, with the slogan written in black. White should be our color. It is a White Freedom Party. Yes, white flags are the color of surrender, but that association would be cancelled by the militant slogan. White is also the color of purity, and it is the color of our race. That should trump any surrender associations as well.

I prefer this idea to any use of the American flag or the confederate flag, or any combination of the two. Not to mention anything associated with the Third Reich. There are several reasons.

1) The party flag should be distinctly different from the American flag. One purpose of the flag should be differentiate the party from the others which use only the American flag.

2) The party flag should not be a modification of the American flag because such a modified flag would be seen as a desecration of the flag, and if it were displayed alongside the American flag, it would also blend too much with the flag rather than stand out from it.

3) Face it, the American flag is an ugly flag: too busy, for one thing, and blue is a bad color for flags as a rule because it is "cold." (Hitler commented on this somewhere in MEIN KAMPF. Red white and black is a much more powerful scheme than red, white, and blue. But plain White is pretty stirring too, especially if massed.)

4) The party should stand for all Whites, not just Southerners or neo-Confederates. As much as I sympathize with the old South, I am a Westerner, and use of the confederate flag smacks too much of regional imperialism.

5) This is an American party, and the flag should be something distinctly American--as is the Gadsden flag--and not something foreign, which is the connotation of anything associated with NS Germany.

I think it is worth considering, and I would like to hear yall's thoughts.

HERE'S A FLAG IDEA THAT JUST CAME IN via EMAIL... (I like this idea. I'd like to see some discussion of the raised points.)


my comments in bold


I suggest the "Don't Tread on Me" flad from the revolutionary war period (the Gadsden flag). The flag has a yellow background with a white rattlesnake above the slogan.

This is the right message to send: the White Freedom Party means that it is no longer safe for the establishment to step on White people and their interests to serve the interests of Jews and non-Whites.

good.

I would make one change, though. Yellow is a bad background color, the color of piss and cowardice. Massed yellow flags flying in the wind would not be a pretty sight.

I would prefer a white background with a realistically colored brown rattler, with the slogan written in black. White should be our color. It is a White Freedom Party. Yes, white flags are the color of surrender, but that association would be cancelled by the militant slogan. White is also the color of purity, and it is the color of our race. That should trump any surrender associations as well.

good. question is what color the snake? would a red or dark red snake on a white field work? i like the ironic mocking of the reverse or alternate style sports caps shown up on kaffirkop phans the last few years.



I prefer this idea to any use of the American flag or the confederate flag, or any combination of the two. Not to mention anything associated with the Third Reich. There are several reasons.

1) The party flag should be distinctly different from the American flag. One purpose of the flag should be differentiate the party from the others which use only the American flag.

2) The party flag should not be a modification of the American flag because such a modified flag would be seen as a desecration of the flag, and if it were displayed alongside the American flag, it would also blend too much with the flag rather than stand out from it.

correct. altered american flags are tasteless and bush league. upside down flags will not be interpreted as distress signals, but as "attacks" on america. plus, it's just not attractive. the american flag has devolved into a Precious Moments Patriotism logo.

3) Face it, the American flag is an ugly flag: too busy, for one thing, and blue is a bad color for flags as a rule because it is "cold." (Hitler commented on this somewhere in MEIN KAMPF. Red white and black is a much more powerful scheme than red, white, and blue. But plain White is pretty stirring too, especially if massed.)

red means passion, energy, movement. as we fight the status quo, red is appropriate. blue is loyal, solid, assured. it is statelier, but lacks the element of driving force.

4) The party should stand for all Whites, not just Southerners or neo-Confederates. As much as I sympathize with the old South, I am a Westerner, and use of the confederate flag smacks too much of regional imperialism.

correct.


5) This is an American party, and the flag should be something distinctly American--as is the Gadsden flag--and not something foreign, which is the connotation of anything associated with NS Germany.

correct. i love both the confederate and ns flags, but they are tied to times and places, whereas the rattlesnake flag is tied more to attitude.


I think it is worth considering, and I would like to hear yall's thoughts.

i think it's a good idea. i like that it has a history, but not one that splits us up. we must remember here that there are many different camps competing to define the terms of today's struggle. the paleocons claim our problem is insufficient fidelity to principle. the CCC say the problem is culture. the LOS say the problem is region.

but we Whites have it right: the problem is race. And the race problem was if not created by the jew, certainly exacerbated into its current anti-white genocidal form. politics is about dividing and fighting. the White Freedom Party says the struggle is White vs jew. our symbol must unite Whites - it must be something all Whites, at least in America, can comfortably get behind. i think the rattlesnake flag does that. that does not mean it is necessrily the best idea, but that it is a good one. i love the confederate flag and the ns flag, but i am not a southerner, and i am not a nazi. but i am an american. not an ameriKwan, an American.

Yes absolutely. An American symbol for America.

http://www.foundingfathers.info/stories/gadsden.html

http://www.foundingfathers.info/stories/images/gadsden-flap.gif

The swastika/sunwheel isnt something the average American would identify with as they have no understanding of what the symbols represent.

I like Varg's logo thing. I also like the "Don't tread on me" idea for the flag.

BTW, what about selling merch to raise funds? T-shirts and polo's, that kinda thing.

I vote the ‘don’t tread on me’ flag idea; it is the flag I fly on forth of July.
It is about time to reacquaint America with it.

The "Old Glory" flag with the circle of thirteen stars was the flag flown by the White founders of America. It harkens back to an age when our ancestors held sway over this continent and created this country; which was meant to be the inheritance of future White generations. Voting privilege was in the hands of responsible, White, propertied males then. Niggers were nothing but dangerous farm equipment.

Is the "White Freedom Party" legally registered in Missouri or is it just another internet party?

HERE'S A FLAG IDEA THAT JUST CAME IN via EMAIL... (I like this idea. I'd like to see some discussion of the raised points.)

I suggest the "Don't Tread on Me" flad from the revolutionary war period (the Gadsden flag). The flag has a yellow background with a white rattlesnake above the slogan.

This is the right message to send: the White Freedom Party means that it is no longer safe for the establishment to step on White people and their interests to serve the interests of Jews and non-Whites.

I would make one change, though. Yellow is a bad background color, the color of piss and cowardice. Massed yellow flags flying in the wind would not be a pretty sight.

I would prefer a white background with a realistically colored brown rattler, with the slogan written in black. White should be our color. It is a White Freedom Party. Yes, white flags are the color of surrender, but that association would be cancelled by the militant slogan. White is also the color of purity, and it is the color of our race. That should trump any surrender associations as well.

I prefer this idea to any use of the American flag or the confederate flag, or any combination of the two. Not to mention anything associated with the Third Reich. There are several reasons.

1) The party flag should be distinctly different from the American flag. One purpose of the flag should be differentiate the party from the others which use only the American flag.

2) The party flag should not be a modification of the American flag because such a modified flag would be seen as a desecration of the flag, and if it were displayed alongside the American flag, it would also blend too much with the flag rather than stand out from it.

3) Face it, the American flag is an ugly flag: too busy, for one thing, and blue is a bad color for flags as a rule because it is "cold." (Hitler commented on this somewhere in MEIN KAMPF. Red white and black is a much more powerful scheme than red, white, and blue. But plain White is pretty stirring too, especially if massed.)

4) The party should stand for all Whites, not just Southerners or neo-Confederates. As much as I sympathize with the old South, I am a Westerner, and use of the confederate flag smacks too much of regional imperialism.

5) This is an American party, and the flag should be something distinctly American--as is the Gadsden flag--and not something foreign, which is the connotation of anything associated with NS Germany.

I think it is worth considering, and I would like to hear yall's thoughts.

Whoever wrote this suggestion reflects my feelings about a revolutionary flag for the new WFP precisely, right down to the pure White field replacing the piss yellow. It should be known that we discussed variations of the Gadsden flag at length at our meeting last weekend.

Great idea, and as American as it gets for a suitable symbol, with connections to many American revolutionists -- all revolutionary-minded White men -- like Franklin, Gadsden, Revere, Jones, etc. This snippet from the Web site that was provided in an earlier post on this thread http://www.foundingfathers.info/stories/gadsden.html#history discusses the rattlesnake as an almost perfect American symbol for vigilance and revolutionary resistance to tyranny:

---begin---
Benjamin Franklin diverts an idle hour

Franklin portrait
[Benjamin Franklin, portrait by David Martin, 1767. White House Historical Association.]
In December 1775, "An American Guesser" anonymously wrote to the Pennsylvania Journal:

"I observed on one of the drums belonging to the marines now raising, there was painted a Rattle-Snake, with this modest motto under it, 'Don't tread on me.' As I know it is the custom to have some device on the arms of every country, I supposed this may have been intended for the arms of America."

This anonymous writer, having "nothing to do with public affairs" and "in order to divert an idle hour," speculated on why a snake might be chosen as a symbol for America.

First, it occurred to him that "the Rattle-Snake is found in no other quarter of the world besides America."

The rattlesnake also has sharp eyes, and "may therefore be esteemed an emblem of vigilance." Furthermore,

"She never begins an attack, nor, when once engaged, ever surrenders: She is therefore an emblem of magnanimity and true courage. ... she never wounds 'till she has generously given notice, even to her enemy, and cautioned him against the danger of treading on her."

Finally,

"I confess I was wholly at a loss what to make of the rattles, 'till I went back and counted them and found them just thirteen, exactly the number of the Colonies united in America; and I recollected too that this was the only part of the Snake which increased in numbers. ...

"'Tis curious and amazing to observe how distinct and independent of each other the rattles of this animal are, and yet how firmly they are united together, so as never to be separated but by breaking them to pieces. One of those rattles singly, is incapable of producing sound, but the ringing of thirteen together, is sufficient to alarm the boldest man living."

Many scholars now agree that this "American Guesser" was Benjamin Franklin.

Franklin, of course, is also known for opposing the use of an eagle -- "a bird of bad moral character" -- as a national symbol.
---end---

I'll go along with Alex and Will on the flag recommendation, and will look forward to reading more comments/recommendations on the subject.

Our Party will be officially recognized by the state of Missouri as a "Political Action Committee", until such time as the Secretary of State has verified 10,000 registered signatures (which is the requirement in Missouri), that willl make us a recognized and legal political party.

Alex will also have to appoint a Party Treasurer, who will make financial reports to both the State Ethics Committee Campaign Finance Section, and the county board of elections in which the Treasurer resides.

Joe Carroll, head of the Missouri Ethics Commission is mailing me the necessary forms. I'll return them all filled out, and he will in turn approve us as an officially recognized POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE.

And so, fellow hard-charging VNN'ers, never fear when Rounder's here.

1. The compact is intended to be a guideline, counsel, it ain't written in stone. Tailor it to local conditions.

By definition, a "compact" IS written in stone. It is another word for a contract, more than a mere guideline. If its just guidelines, then call it something other than a "compact."

2. While White nationalists prefer opening the doors to White immigration and halting the inflow of mud, astute WN candidates may well have to bend to local constituencies holding certain odd and old-fashioned ideas like "fairness." Ending ALL immigration is not only "fair," but halts the inflow of mud as effectively as anything you can come up with.

This is more of the "letz water it down for the lemmings" business or speaking in code which so many who would otherwise agree with us and are clamoring internally for real WHITE people to stand up, already get from the paleos who have met with no success. If we are the WHITE freedom party than we can and should advocate for WHITE people by making a campaign issue the immediate cessation of NON-WHITE immigration.

3. Before adopting the plank "no Jews can own media," White nationalist candidates must legally define the concepts of "Jew" and "White." Can you do this, counsel, and avoid the problem of ex post facto legislation? (The government defines north Africans and "Middle Easterners" as "White.") If so, then go for it! If not, then supporting "diversity in media" is a viable alternative for getting one's WN foot in the congressional door while building an effective local movement.

4. I defy you to logically, rationally explain how "ending ALL immigration" and supporting "diversity in media" DOES NOT facilitate White freedom of association in these "United States," counsel.

Again, we cannot compromise the truth for some paleoconservative notion of "respectability" or "fairness." If the truth is that in order to protect the White race from extinction, we must end non-white immigration and take the media from the Jews, then that is what must be done, pedestrian notions of "fairness" be damned. Not to mention the fact that the very word "diversity" makes both myself and our target audience physically ill, and any use of it by us will appear weak and convey to the people who would enthusiastically support us that we aren't the real deal and are just another sellout bunch of frauds.


Edit: Given the federal definition of "White," the ONLY way to politically differentiate ourselves from the Jew and avoid the problem cited in 3, above, is for us to define ourselves as Occidentals - that is, non-Jewish descendants of European Christendom. We may then "borrow" Israel's definition of Jew to further delineate the difference.

I don't give a damn what the "Federal definition of 'White'" is. Why the hell should we accept the Jews' definitions anyhow. You'd think the lawyer would be the one worrying about semantics here, but I'm not. If we pass a law that says "no Jew may own an interest in any FCC license or any corporation or business entity which owns an interest in an FCC license" then we could revoke the FCC licenses of any Jew-owned media companies. If the kikes don't like it, they can try to prove they aren't kikes at a jury trial. Good luck!


John

I dunno. It seems sort of awkward, with or without the stars.


It seems to me that what we are attempting to do with the WFP is essentially effect a revolution by political means. That being the case, what we are trying to create is something new, never seen before in this country. We therefore should not be trying to adapt our old symbols (U.S. flag, confed flag) but rather creating new symbols. We aren't reactionaries here, at least we shouldn't be, but rather, revolutionaries.

John

I vote the ‘don’t tread on me’ flag idea; it is the flag I fly on forth of July.
It is about time to reacquaint America with it.


Agreed. I think red snake on white background with black lettering would be good.

Can someone come up with a Jpeg of that?


John

Is the "White Freedom Party" legally registered in Missouri or is it just another internet party?Hey King !! This Party didn't need no stinking registeration or the internet either !!

http://www.removejews.com/millermarch/millermarch1.JPG

By definition, a "compact" IS written in stone. It is another word for a contract, more than a mere guideline. If its just guidelines, then call it something other than a "compact."

I'll not argue semantics, counsel. Your argument was with the Compact's "silly" and "unnecessary" positions which you've failed to refute.

This is more of the "letz water it down for the lemmings" business or speaking in code which so many who would otherwise agree with us and are clamoring internally for real WHITE people to stand up, already get from the paleos who have met with no success. If we are the WHITE freedom party than we can and should advocate for WHITE people by making a campaign issue the immediate cessation of NON-WHITE immigration.

The "compact" disallows ALL immigration for 25 years, effectively terminating NON-WHITE immigration without having to explain to some constituencies (Peirce-conditioned members of the non-political, WN "elite" call these constituents "lemmings") the blatant inconsistency of disallowing NON-WHITE and allowing WHITE immigration. Rational, politically astute WNs will appreciate the advantage of not having to explain this inconsistency and will recognize the "compact's" position as a step in the right direction.

Again, we cannot compromise the truth for some paleoconservative notion of "respectability" or "fairness."

We have not compromised the truth. Ending ALL immigration for 25 years ends the inflow of mud for 25 years.

If the truth is that in order to protect the White race from extinction, we must end non-white immigration and take the media from the Jews, then that is what must be done, pedestrian notions of "fairness" be damned.

Reality check: Our people's history is based upon near universally-held, "pedestrian notions of fairness" (see K. MacDonald) and the acquisition of legitimate civil authority. For us to damn "fairness" out-of-hand is to damn our people to the dustbins. Do you want to save our people? If so, then you will RESPECT these "pedestrian notions."

Not to mention the fact that the very word "diversity" makes both myself and our target audience physically ill, and any use of it by us will appear weak and convey to the people who would enthusiastically support us that we aren't the real deal and are just another sellout bunch of frauds.

Reality check: The word "diversity" does NOT make anybody ill. But again we're back to semantics. If the word has negative connotations in your mind, then change it to something else.

I don't give a damn what the "Federal definition of 'White'" is.

You should give a damn about what the "Federal definition of White" is. Have you forgotten, counselor, that OUR people have an honorable tradition called "legal precedent"?

Why the hell should we accept the Jews' definitions anyhow.

Reality check: Our people are averse to ex post facto legislation and JOG has defined Jews as "White."

To educate, awaken and build a functional movement we SHALL respect our people's traditional aversion to ex post facto legislation or FAIL. The strength of this aversion presents a greater obstacle to our success than any Jew misdefinition. We simply cannot expect prospective constituencies to turn on a dime and set aside this aversion at the request of a "White movement" which is unable to socially and politically define the people it represents and having a 50-year record of failure as "leaders."

We are Occidentals, a term which best distinguishes us from the Jews. Occidentals are opposed to Jewish anti-Occidentalism.

You'd think the lawyer would be the one worrying about semantics here, but I'm not. If we pass a law that says "no Jew may own an interest in any FCC license or any corporation or business entity which owns an interest in an FCC license" then we could revoke the FCC licenses of any Jew-owned media companies. If the kikes don't like it, they can try to prove they aren't kikes at a jury trial. Good luck!

Reality check: Until awakened the "lemmings" you disdain - that is, the overwhelming majority of our people - will not support the outlawing of all Jewish media ownership. Not at this time, at any rate, due to that "pedestrian notion of fairness" you've previously indicated. Thus political commonsense might suggest that we promote media "diversification" and Occidental "inclusion" as alternatives - at least until such time that our people are awakened and the Republican Party is effectively destroyed as a vehicle for "White" representation.

Agreed. I think red snake on white background with black lettering would be good.

Can someone come up with a Jpeg of that?


John

Here is one that I modified from http://www.foundingfathers.info/stories/gadsden.html#history . I changed the background to white but left the snake yellow because if it is changed to red it no longer looks like a rattlesnake but maybe a coral snake or something. Overall, I think its a nice design.

These flags are both from the American Revolutionary time period

Here's a modified version:

I like that one-

These flags are both from the American Revolutionary time period
I liked the first one, Ron. Especially the words "Liberty or Death", alongside the coiled snake.

Hell, if it was up to me, I'd adopt it just to get your butt in the race for U.S. Congress next year. But the flag choice(s) are up to Alex, and he's a bit more prudent.

BTW, Will doesn't know it yet, but I'll have his military butt on the ballot too.

Course I'm from the South, therefore a wee bit biased, but that flag looks damn good to me. And the 13 stars inside the Confederate Battle Flag could represent the original 13 colonies. It also illustrates inclusion of Southerners, and unification of Northerners and Southerners, in one flag. I really don't see how it could offend any White person. And it would enhance recruitment efforts, especially in Southern states.

I'd like to hear more comments, though. And Alex will make the final decision after listening to all sides.

I can assure you that something called The White Freedom Party will see more Confederate flags than any other design, official or not. No stripes though.

That flag represents the one and only time Americans organized and fought a jewy tyranny masquerading as humanitarianism, and it'll be prominent anywhere a second effort might be born.

In the very center of the flag (between blue stripes and in the middle of the broader horizontal center white stripe) is a DNA spiral with a sword thrust upward through it, with the point-end of the sword coming out of the top of the DNA spiral and the handle of the sword coming out of the bottom of the DNA spiral: the DNA spiral should be red and the sword should be blue.I think it'd be better to leave out all the stripes and stuff and just go with the DNA-sword. Say, like, the pattern you suggested, except a little larger, in the top left corner of the flag. The rest of the flag could just be plain white.

Could anybody crank out a prototype of this?

Our Party will be officially recognized by the state of Missouri as a "Political Action Committee", until such time as the Secretary of State has verified 10,000 registered signatures (which is the requirement in Missouri), that willl make us a recognized and legal political party.

Alex will also have to appoint a Party Treasurer, who will make financial reports to both the State Ethics Committee Campaign Finance Section, and the county board of elections in which the Treasurer resides.

A few things about "PACS" that Miller and most likely Linder already know, but for the sake of VNNF and future WFP members I'll just list a few pertinent points.

1) Since WFP is not as yet recognized as a political party(Secretary of State must verifiy 10,000 registered signatures first) then I am assuming Linder and Miller are forming, at least at the get go, a nonconnected PAC. That is, a PAC formed by an individual or a group of U.S. citizens that is not connected to a corporation, a labor party or a political party(The National Rifle Association, for example). A nonconnected PAC can solicit contributions from the general public of U.S. citizens and permanent residents and there are no limits on the spending of PACs on a candidates behalf provided that the expenditure is not made in collaboration with a candidate. How this is supposed to be done, I'm not sure, but I think a call to Ed Steele is in order because "Unconnected PACs" must maintain its legal independence.


2) The treasurer is THE most important member of a PAC for the simple reason he/she is responsible for running the PAC according to the law and for filing all FEC reports. If the chit were ever to hit the chan and the FEC(Federal Election Commission) brought an enforcement action against a PAC, the treasurer would be named as a respondent along with the committee itself. In addition, the treasurer assumes responsibility in connection with federal and state income tax and other laws. So, the WFP treasurer must be a person with the hightest integrity, book-keepingly smart with an attention to detail and an ability to work with ZOG bureaucrats. I can't emphasize enough the importance of this person to WFP PAC.

3) Contributions to PAC's are not tax deductable so all you millionaire White Nationalists looking to fund WFP at uncle shumeils expense can forget about it! :D

4) As far as I know, a White PAC Committee doesn't even exist let alone have been tried before. Do a google search of "PAC's and literally 3,500,000 hits show up. Everything from jews to nignogs to lesbo women, doctors, lawyers, realtors, faggots, architects, builders, movie makers, mortgage bankers, etc. The list is endless but you won't find a White PAC, until now!!!

White Freedom Party: An idea whose time has come.

Yes, can anyone make a kick-ass version of this? Feel free to experiment, but I think the sword-DNA idea should be used.

Gumby the futhark gets a cousin Sproingy the prickly DNA... :p

Why doesn't Alex stick with building a non-jew controlled/non-jew owned White news network...that's really what we need...not another vanity political party!

Oh, well. I guess Alex wants to grow up to be William Randolph Hearst or is it Orson Wells... :rolleyes:

I liked the first one, Ron. Especially the words "Liberty or Death", alongside the coiled snake.

Hell, if it was up to me, I'd adopt it just to get your butt in the race for U.S. Congress next year. But the flag choice(s) are up to Alex, and he's a bit more prudent.

BTW, Will doesn't know it yet, but I'll have his military butt on the ballot too.
Glenn, I was just showing some variations of the Gadsden flag from Revolutionary times not making a suggestion that they be adopted. Although I do kind of like the Gadsden flag. And of course the Confederate battle flag is always close to my heart. The original thirteen star US flag to me stands for what America was founded on White freedom. The Bonnie Blue flag isn't bad either, one single white star on a field of blue the one single star could stand for the White race although secession was it's purpose. As far as running for office heck I'm game it's the only thing I haven't done yet, man I would love to see Will run. I trust whatever flag or symbol is adopted the very fact that it represents our struggle will make it famous one day

HERE'S A FLAG IDEA THAT JUST CAME IN via EMAIL... (I like this idea. I'd like to see some discussion of the raised points.)

I suggest the "Don't Tread on Me" flad from the revolutionary war period (the Gadsden flag). The flag has a yellow background with a white rattlesnake above the slogan.

This is the right message to send: the White Freedom Party means that it is no longer safe for the establishment to step on White people and their interests to serve the interests of Jews and non-Whites.

I would make one change, though. Yellow is a bad background color, the color of piss and cowardice. Massed yellow flags flying in the wind would not be a pretty sight.

I would prefer a white background with a realistically colored brown rattler, with the slogan written in black. White should be our color. It is a White Freedom Party. Yes, white flags are the color of surrender, but that association would be cancelled by the militant slogan. White is also the color of purity, and it is the color of our race. That should trump any surrender associations as well.

I prefer this idea to any use of the American flag or the confederate flag, or any combination of the two. Not to mention anything associated with the Third Reich. There are several reasons.

1) The party flag should be distinctly different from the American flag. One purpose of the flag should be differentiate the party from the others which use only the American flag.

2) The party flag should not be a modification of the American flag because such a modified flag would be seen as a desecration of the flag, and if it were displayed alongside the American flag, it would also blend too much with the flag rather than stand out from it.

3) Face it, the American flag is an ugly flag: too busy, for one thing, and blue is a bad color for flags as a rule because it is "cold." (Hitler commented on this somewhere in MEIN KAMPF. Red white and black is a much more powerful scheme than red, white, and blue. But plain White is pretty stirring too, especially if massed.)

4) The party should stand for all Whites, not just Southerners or neo-Confederates. As much as I sympathize with the old South, I am a Westerner, and use of the confederate flag smacks too much of regional imperialism.

5) This is an American party, and the flag should be something distinctly American--as is the Gadsden flag--and not something foreign, which is the connotation of anything associated with NS Germany.


Despite my personal like for the NS and Confederate battle flags, I've long thought that either the Gadsden or Betsy Ross flags were the only ones now good for running up a pole.

The only changes I might suggest to the above writer's flag is that it has to have a good dose of some blood red, somehow, and some true blue (like for the writing, instead of black) in it. These are good colors, and this small connection with what once was our flag would be a good thing to have in a symbol for a people who means to take back what is theirs, IMO.

Eh? - http://www.sskiweb.com/wfpflag.jpg

Fringe the red border for the military version?

Not bad, Stan. Now just make those letters blue!

BTW, why isn't Alex's lead post in this thread (or a link to this thread) on the VNN front page? It should be!

http://www.sskiweb.com/wfpflag.jpg

http://www.sskiweb.com/wfpflag.jpg

Could you change the letters to white but keep the black outline of them? I dont know about you guys but the blue just doesnt seem quite right.

Black bordered letters - see previous

Black/Red bordered letters - http://www.sskiweb.com/wfpflag1.jpg

Thats good Stan. Too bad the pic is replaced when you post a new one. Would be nice to have different variations on here so Linder can pick a good one. If he goes with the design. But the one with the White letters and black background looks very good I think. The colors are matched up evenly.

Thats good Stan. Too bad the pic is replaced when you post a new one. Would be nice to have different variations on here so Linder can pick a good one. If he goes with the design. But the one with the White letters and black background looks very good I think. The colors are matched up evenly.

I have all of them on my HD. If Alex wants to look them all over I'll send em all. I'm just playing with the idea as it's suggested.

The cool thing about the DTOM idea is that I used to work as a webmaster/graphic artist for a sportfishing lobbying concern and the boss/lobby head dude is a shrub blinded conservative and the DTOM flag is his fave. The guy is a gun nut, rebel flag, confederate plaque havin', camo wearing guy who lobbys for the recreational fishing community, but looks at Bush like he's the next Jebus and lives to suck down Cuban cigars and live the Washington high-life. The guy would be a great asset to the White community if he didn't have his head up his ass. I tried to convert him for the last 2 years I worked there but no go and I quit in disgust because I saw that the organization is nothing but another front to suck money from blind Whites to feed the machine, mainly his pocket and the pockets of the sportfishing industry - ie: boat manufacturers, tackle companies, etc. Already rich bastards. To top it off the org started signing on jews onto the board of directors.

I thought I was working for an org that cared about the rights of the average fisherman, then I woke up, and found VNN at the same time. Anyway, I take satisfaction in using the idea of the DTOM theme for the WFP. Its a high-hard-one finger in the face of that dick and people like him - blind shrubbophants that got another thing coming real soon.

Hail Victory! Hail WFP!!

WFP! Terrific news Alex and Glenn!

I knew I was in the right place!

Real White men with backbones who are going for it!

Count me in.........and Jayna, too!

We will work our asses off to spread the word and help out in any way we can.

Glenn, I was just showing some variations of the Gadsden flag from Revolutionary times not making a suggestion that they be adopted. Although I do kind of like the Gadsden flag. And of course the Confederate battle flag is always close to my heart. The original thirteen star US flag to me stands for what America was founded on White freedom. The Bonnie Blue flag isn't bad either, one single white star on a field of blue the one single star could stand for the White race although secession was it's purpose. As far as running for office heck I'm game it's the only thing I haven't done yet, man I would love to see Will run. I trust whatever flag or symbol is adopted the very fact that it represents our struggle will make it famous one day

Ron, I'll take that as a "Hell Yes !! I'm going to run for U.S. Congress in the 06 primary election." So correct me if I'm wrong. Alex and I are running, as well. And there's no reason there won't be AT LEAST a dozen outstanding jew-wise WFP "cadre" on the 06 ballot.

White Will will eventually announce his candidacy also, though he's a bit reluctant at this time.

As regards the Party Flag, we have plenty of time to hash it out thoroughly before Alex makes the final decision.

Thanks Steve for the insights into PACs.

brutus, I knew all along that we can count on you and Jayna. And thanks for distributing all those VNN tabloids in your area.

Modified version:
http://www.vnnforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2396

It's simple, traditional, but new.

Not a bad looking flag, Spengler. Though perhaps with too much of the color White in it. White, as you know, suggests surrender.

I've been racking my brain for over 30 years trying to come up with a dynamic flag that would come close to the Swastika in power and simplicity, but never could. Frankly, I'd like to see something unique and different, that will separate us from everything and everybody else.

Steve, you're right about the importance of the WFP Treasurer. Frankly, since I trust myself more than anyone else, I'm the best choice (har har).

But whoever he/she is, the system of checks and balances should be as fool proof as we can make it. It ought to just like my tabloid finance accounting system,ie., every single financial contributor's screen name or initials should be posted on VNNforum along with the amount, and every receipt and amount of receipt should be maintained and checked by the Party Chairman. That way, everyone will be assured that every cent is accounted for and reported publicly. Anyhow, that's the most fool proof system I can think of.

Assuring everyone that no monies are being stolen or misspent is SUPER IMPORTANT and ESSENTIAL. And believe me, I'll blow the whistle "rat quick" on anyone who does.

Very nice work Stan. I really like those designs but I would add the phrase "Don't tread on me" to the flag. Also, I really the white backgrounds and as was mentioned earlier in the thread, the graphics and text will easily negate any conotation with surrender.

I tried to design something with DNA and swords but so far nothing presentable has resulted. Just for fun though, I present the Confederate/DNA flag. :)

Why doesn't Alex stick with building a non-jew controlled/non-jew owned White news network...that's really what we need...not another vanity political party! :rolleyes:

This is a good point. If all of the attention given to other projects were directed toward making VNN into a serious news site, a whole lot more support would build. It was headed that way once and the ratings bear it out. Since the front page has been abandoned to an occasional rant while Alex is off delivering papers and trying to form a political party, before he has the support needed and which a business-like news site approach would attract, it'll be easier for the juden-press to discredit the whole thing. Drive a stake into their news monopoly first, or be dismissed as another Lindstedt.

Beowulf - thank you very much for trying; can I make a suggestion?

Instead have making the DNA spiral so angular and fractionalized, maybe you could simply make it like two streamlined twisting lines that interweave; then you you might be able to make the Upward thrusting sword clear and perceivable.

I think this would be a great design and logo. It would also be pan-European. Think back to when the Marxists had the world-historical initiative: many of their overtly controlled nations flags had some variation of the hammer and sickle. The sword-DNA spiral could be our version of that!

Please, make the DNA lines smooth and graceful, and try to thrust the sword Upward through the DNA spiral's center.

I really think this is the right way to go. Sorry if I'am being a pain in the ass. I appreciate your effort!


No problem, you're not being a pain in the ass, this is actually alot of fun. I don't want to misrepresent my skills however, I am just doing simple cut and paste stuff. Anyway, is this what you have in mind?

Steve, you're right about the importance of the WFP Treasurer. Frankly, since I trust myself more than anyone else, I'm the best choice (har har).

But whoever he/she is, the system of checks and balances should be as fool proof as we can make it. It ought to just like my tabloid finance accounting system,ie., every single financial contributor's screen name or initials should be posted on VNNforum along with the amount, and every receipt and amount of receipt should be maintained and checked by the Party Chairman. That way, everyone will be assured that every cent is accounted for and reported publicly. Anyhow, that's the most fool proof system I can think of.

Assuring everyone that no monies are being stolen or misspent is SUPER IMPORTANT and ESSENTIAL. And believe me, I'll blow the whistle "rat quick" on anyone who does.

Glenn, you are absolutely amazing. The $60 I gave to you last weekend for issue #2 of the tabloid, as pledged, just showed back up unexpectedly in today's mail. I've always known and appreciated your selfless generosity but I wasn't expecting this. Thanks! I won't tell Alex. After I recover somewhat from the terrible financial setback that resulted from by my car breaking down last weekend so far from home I will send you another donation. I'm pretty well busted for the time being.

Now, if you can somehow actually manage to fulfill your own pledge to NNNers to turn me into a lowlife politician/office seeker, you will truly be a miracle worker and I'll have to nominate you to be our first Pope. That's a cushy job for a worn out old soldier like you, right? ;)

http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/israeli_flag.jpg

Beowulf: Yes! Thatz the idea!

If you or anyone else can just get the proportions right, it would be what I'm envisioning.

I think that the DNA spiral might be a little too big for the sword.

But now we're cooking!

Thank you very much, Beowulf.

I ask any talented graphic artists to please run with this idea and make it kick-ass!

Ok, here is one with the DNA strand smaller. Also, this one is original artwork instead of cut and paste. Let me know what you think of the proportions.

http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/uploads/israeli_flag.jpg

Hey Will, if we adopted this flag, I'll bet we'd piss off the whole gang of kikes, huh ?

As for you running for office next year, just consider the fact that Ron Doggett is running. You ain't gonna let Ron outdo you, are ya ? I didn't think so. See ?

And just think. Candidates for state-wide office, get lots of invites from special interest groups to address their meetings - including the kike-loving religious groups. You'd get opportunities to straighten their asses out with face-to-face speeches to them. We'd put them your speeches on DVD for posting on VNN. Hell, I'd pay to watch them, myself.

Oh, glory days ahead !!!

PRESS RELEASE

Introducing the White Freedom Party...America's first political party

- advocating Aryan interests

and specifically

- naming the jew as the agent of White genocide and greatest obstacle to our people's self-preservation as a distinct and protected race.

On those two principles, the WHITE FREEDOM PARTY makes its stand.

We aren't here to get granny more pills. We aren't here to force you at gunpoint to give us your money to plant colonies of colored criminals in Section 8 housing next door. We aren't here to bootlick jews inventing lies about Weapons of Mass Destruction so they can send your boy overseas to die for Israel.

You can get all that from the Republicrats, the Party that hates White men...


VOTE White Freedom Party, because...

- we put your White interests FIRST - and nothing second

- we will bring troops HOME FROM IRAQ - immediately

- we will END the Mexican invasion

- we will PROTECT your free speech

- we will FIGHT the gun-deniers

- we will RESCIND so-called civil rights laws preventing you from protecting your families and communities against colored criminals sicced on you by the same people trying to tape your mouth and take your gun

- we will WAGE NONSTOP WAR on the jews, coloreds, and mainstream sellouts forcing you to subsidize all of the above horrors

In summation, we will allow you and yours to live as free, independent, and dignified adults in a nation controlled by civilized men who look and think and act like members of your own family...because they are.

Your choice is SIMPLE.

If you're tired of being a THIRD-CLASS CITIZEN in the land YOUR PEOPLE CREATED, there's only one group representing your interests:

The WHITE FREEDOM PARTY.

Join today!

And help us make a better world for Aryankind.


Details coming soon...


Here's a list of newspapers in Missouri for your WFP press release:
http://www.usnpl.com/monews.html

You could get some of the VNNers to e-mail the various newspapers asking for the details of the founding of the WFP.

Even though I'm not hot for another vanity political party, we can have some fun with this if you play your cards right.

I think that the sword on the lefthand side (the white sword with a black outline) is just about perfect.

The colors of the DNA spiral are also excellent: red and blue intertwined.

The only adjustment that jumps out at me is that the DNA spiral needs to be bigger; I think that now it is too small for the sword.

Also, the loose ends at the top should somehow be tapered to more or less match the DNA spiral's bottom, right now the top of the DNA strands look straggly.

The way you have the bottom-beginning of the DNA spiral emerging from the handle of the sword is perfect!

I am wondering if we shouldn't create a new tread for this. Anyway here is one with the DNA larger on the white sword shown with the old one for comparison.

You gotta have a more kick-ass looking sword. I cut this one out:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/ulrichk30/sword.jpg

....book marker

Some thoughts.

Broad fields, equal parts White and Red
Representing our Whiteness and our blood
Radiating-out from a Blue circle
Representing the True-Blue love for our family.
White initials WFP at it’s core. For our core beliefs.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/jaynareynolds/WFPflag.bmp

The design on the lefthand side: THATZ IT!

That IS perfect!

The right proportions, colors, and the DNA spiral are now exactly right!

We get the colors we want: red, white, blue, and black. And the three "points" at the top: the sword tip and the ends of the two intertwined DNA strands represents the new Trinity: matter, energy, Spirit.

Beowulf: You've done it!

If you're in the mood, can you put this on a flag? Maybe an all white flag with horizontal white, red, and blue stripes across the top and horizontal blue, red, and white stripes across the bottom? The middle section being a larger (thicker) white horizontal stripe in which the design is centered. The bottom stripes would represent Creation and the top stripes would represent the next, higher stage of Being: the Sword and the DNA spiral would represent our struggle and fight to further our Kind along its evolutionary Path to our Higher Destiny.

I think this is the winning design. I think that this is an elegant, powerful, forward-looking Revolutionary design that unites past, present, and future, and that the Bastards currently ruling Europe can't easily ban (because it is not a Nazi symbol). White patriots in each nation of the West could incorporate this design into their respective national flags as they begin to gather strength and strive to assume power.

What do the rest of you think?

Beowulf: great job - thank you!


Great! I'm glad you like it. Here it is with a new sword similar to the one posted by King Tiger. I made one that was more accurate but found that the
DNA helix did not fit onto it well because of the hand guard. So I modified it some and came up with this.

I like Spengler's blue flag with the white star because it's very simple and eye-catching, but the zio flag is blue and white and has a star. The helix and sword idea is good, but seems too "busy." How would a red flag with a plain double-stranded white helix look?

Great stuff! Truly amazing talent here. I like em all!
Really, several flags could be chosen. One could be used for demonstrations and so on and anoher could be chosen as an overall representation. Thats my take on things.

I like Spengler's blue flag with the white star because it's very simple and eye-catching, but the zio flag is blue and white and has a star. The helix and sword idea is good, but seems too "busy." How would a red flag with a plain double-stranded white helix look?

Here is a red flag with a white double helix down the left side.

Beowulf,

Your execution of the design is stunning!

I think that this should be the White Freedom Party's flag.

The colors are perfect; the symbolism is right on target: IMO it really is perfect. I can envision a hundred of these flags fluttering in the wind on a sunny day.

For all the reasons I mentioned in my previous posts, this is the way to go.

Beowulf, sincerely, thank you: you really put it together.

Thank you King Tiger for the sword, which is nobler than the other version.

C'mon everyone else: how about some feedback!

Beowulf, if I ever meet you, I'll buy you a beer; heck, I'll buy you a keg!


No problem, hopefully I'll take you up that beer some day. :)

Here's something someone might execute, I'd like to see how it looks. The three stars of Orion on a field the top third of which is white, the bottom 2/3 of which is red. One star in each third, with a slightly convex rise, per the constellation, at about a 45% angle from near left to far right. The top star, in the white field, is blue.


Comments on entries: The sword/helix looks as good as it can. However, it's complex. It has two distinct ideas: fighting, race. In fact, when I see the helix, I don't think race of DNA, I think science in general. Also, the design reminds me of that medical symbol, the name of which I forget.

It is essential that the flag be as simple as possible. I think so far the best looking entry is the red rattler on white. Hell, maybe we could have two rattlesnakes designed as a helix. Just kidding.

Here's something someone might execute, I'd like to see how it looks. The three stars of Orion on a field the top third of which is white, the bottom 2/3 of which is red. One star in each third, with a slightly convex rise, per the constellation, at about a 45% angle from near left to far right. The top star, in the white field, is blue.


Comments on entries: The sword/helix looks as good as it can. However, it's complex. It has two distinct ideas: fighting, race. In fact, when I see the helix, I don't think race of DNA, I think science in general. Also, the design reminds me of that medical symbol, the name of which I forget.

It is essential that the flag be as simple as possible. I think so far the best looking entry is the red rattler on white. Hell, maybe we could have two rattlesnakes designed as a helix. Just kidding.

caduceus-- Hermes' rod of authority, two snakes twined around, also the symbol of Aesclipius the physician and medicine in general. Odd that it reminds us of DNA isnt it?

The snake symbolizes wisdom and knowledge in many ancient traditions.

the red rattler on white is good but the black splotch beneath it will look to some like a pile of poo. sorry folks for the Fokkeresque remark but I have little kids and they love to joke around about potty stuff. I had to say it, no offense intended.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/jaynareynolds/shieldflag1.jpg

I like the Third National of the Confederacy. After all, the Confederacy never formally surrendered, and we continue to be in a war with the tyrannical Yankee government. It's time to overthrow it and install new government based on the guidelines of our original Constitution and the Naturalization Acts of 1790 and 1795. This means White only! No, Jews, that does not mean you. Find a way to suck your sustenance from your own despicable little tribe, but no more from us. Lincoln was the first despot, and this arrogant little Texas Napoleon is even more dangerous!

I like the rattlesnake idea, but I agree with John: we must be Revolutionary and forward looking. We must have a design so powerful and compelling that it can't be resisted.

Here is my idea:

A white flag with a red-over-blue stripe running horizontal across the top third of the flag, a blue-over-red stripe running across the bottom third of the flag, with a horizontal stripe of white remaining across the very top of the flag and a horizontal stripe of white remaining at the very bottom of the flag (there will thus be a broader white horizontal stripe running through the center of the flag).

In the very center of the flag (between blue stripes and in the middle of the broader horizontal center white stripe) is a DNA spiral with a sword thrust upward through it, with the point-end of the sword coming out of the top of the DNA spiral and the handle of the sword coming out of the bottom of the DNA spiral: the DNA spiral should be red and the sword should be blue.

Could somebody please create a version of this and post it?

Thank you.


Sounds interesting. I'd like to see a mock-up.

John

Beowolf

Fantastic look to the flag. Powerful and clean. I wanted to try something just to see how it would look blending the earlier Don't Tread On Me concept. Too much folks?

http://www.sskiweb.com/beowolfwfpflagwsnake.jpg

Sounds interesting. I'd like to see a mock-up.

John

Here ya go.

Here's something someone might execute, I'd like to see how it looks. The three stars of Orion on a field the top third of which is white, the bottom 2/3 of which is red. One star in each third, with a slightly convex rise, per the constellation, at about a 45% angle from near left to far right. The top star, in the white field, is blue.


Comments on entries: The sword/helix looks as good as it can. However, it's complex. It has two distinct ideas: fighting, race. In fact, when I see the helix, I don't think race of DNA, I think science in general. Also, the design reminds me of that medical symbol, the name of which I forget.

It is essential that the flag be as simple as possible. I think so far the best looking entry is the red rattler on white. Hell, maybe we could have two rattlesnakes designed as a helix. Just kidding.


OK, here is the Orion flag.

[/QUOTE] PS: For what it's worth, the flag -- at least as I envision it -- also has a white horizontal stripe across the very top edge and a white horizontal stripe across the very bottom edge.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I put those white stripes in but they were kinda hard to see. Look at the bluesword version and you will see that I added a darker outline around the entire flage to make the white stripes show up better.

Here is a variation on Linder's suggestion.

I'm in the exact same spot as Georgie; 19 year old college student living at home with my parents and without a car.

But I find this extremely motivating, and I will dig in my pockets to send the Master Sergeant some funding for the new tabloid.

And if fate is willing, I would like to attend this gathering in Missouri to see this thing get off the ground.

Hey King !! This Party didn't need no stinking registeration or
the internet either !!

Glenn:

There's no doubt in my mind you could round up fifty or a hundred guys to march down Main Street carrying banners and confederate battle flags. But that's not going to accomplish much of anything useful.

The reason I'm stressing legal registration is this:

If you want to attract any substantial supporters and contributions, beyond the hard core VNN members and the $5 and $12 you're getting now, your party is going to have to be officially registered. Otherwise you give the appearance of just another overblown internet campaign with lots of talk about the future but not much substance here and now. There are hundreds of thousands, probably millions of people in the USA and elsewhere who would be willing to make a sizable contribution to a legally registered and officially recognised White-interests party in the USA. Legal registration gives the party legitimacy and the appearance of professionalism. Those same hundreds of thousands or millions of people, on the other hand, will not even consider sending money to a small town Missouri P.O. box registered to a private individual. Not because of any lack of trust necessarily but because small time efforts on an obvious shoe-string budget don't interest most "successful" people. They don't want any involvement with what looks like a fringe, weak, probably temporary organisation, even for just a few dollars. They want to be part of a winning team and they're hoping for an organisation or party to appear that looks like it has some muscle and a chance. People will instinctively get behind an organisation that gives the appearance of strength and professionalism. In order to give that appearance the party must be legally registered. Sad to say but most successful businessmen and working people who make a good living only scoff at orgs that go around with their hat in hand asking for five or twelve dollars or go around demanding five or twelve dollars. It's embarrassing. They don't want any part of that even though they can easily afford to contribute. Ask those same people for a hundred, or a thousand, or more, and you have a legitimate organisation in place to emphasise your commitment then they take you seriously. I'm convinced there are many thousands of financially comfortable and well-off Americans who would contribute generously to a party that is openly pro-White and legally registered. But they're waiting for someone to create that legal and professional entity. Until that happens they're going to just concern themselves with other things and not get involved at all. They want to see a major league effort they can support, not what they view as more in an endless procession of the same old minor league stuff. The way I look at it you've got a real chance to put together a big and important organisation right now if you're prepared to be bold. That would mean satisfy the requirements, register and be legally recognised as a political party. I'm in for US $50 if you take that approach. When you're filing with the State for recognition as a political party post a notification at the forum and I'll put my contribution in the post immediately.

Glenn:

There's no doubt in my mind you could round up fifty or a hundred guys to march down Main Street carrying banners and confederate battle flags. But that's not going to accomplish much of anything useful.

The reason I'm stressing legal registration is this:

If you want to attract any substantial supporters and contributions, beyond the hard core VNN members and the $5 and $12 you're getting now, your party is going to have to be officially registered. Otherwise you give the appearance of just another overblown internet campaign with lots of talk about the future but not much substance here and now. There are hundreds of thousands, probably millions of people in the USA and elsewhere who would be willing to make a sizable contribution to a legally registered and officially recognised White-interests party in the USA. Legal registration gives the party legitimacy and the appearance of professionalism. Those same hundreds of thousands or millions of people, on the other hand, will not even consider sending money to a small town Missouri P.O. box registered to a private individual. Not because of any lack of trust necessarily but because small time efforts on an obvious shoe-string budget don't interest most "successful" people. They don't want any involvement with what looks like a fringe, weak, probably temporary organisation, even for just a few dollars. They want to be part of a winning team and they're hoping for an organisation or party to appear that looks like it has some muscle and a chance. People will instinctively get behind an organisation that gives the appearance of strength and professionalism. In order to give that appearance the party must be legally registered. Sad to say but most successful businessmen and working people who make a good living only scoff at orgs that go around with their hat in hand asking for five or twelve dollars or go around demanding five or twelve dollars. It's embarrassing. They don't want any part of that even though they can easily afford to contribute. Ask those same people for a hundred, or a thousand, or more, and you have a legitimate organisation in place to emphasise your commitment then they take you seriously. I'm convinced there are many thousands of financially comfortable and well-off Americans who would contribute generously to a party that is openly pro-White and legally registered. But they're waiting for someone to create that legal and professional entity. Until that happens they're going to just concern themselves with other things and not get involved at all. They want to see a major league effort they can support, not what they view as more in an endless procession of the same old minor league stuff. The way I look at it you've got a real chance to put together a big and important organisation right now if you're prepared to be bold. That would mean satisfy the requirements, register and be legally recognised as a political party. I'm in for US $50 if you take that approach. When you're filing with the State for recognition as a political party post a notification at the forum and I'll put my contribution in the post immediately.


You are thinking like a serious adult---the kiddies are fashioning a neo-National Alliance symbol with a sword and something that looks like a spring and a rattle snake. :D Maybe, it's a before and after picture. :rolleyes:

I agree with you that there are millions of adults who want to see a serious change of course from the present direction. Money raising shouldn't be too big of a deal---because those who were young in the 60's and early 70's now have money to spend today. But, I don't think they want to listen to a lot of radical hot air and radical symbolism. They would rather see real political action on some key issues as noted in Alex's press release. Although, I'm not sure about how deep the desire is to equip every neighborhood nutcase and turd worlder with an atomic cannon.

I hope Alex's efforts to promote an alternative non-jew owned/jew controlled news network don't get lost in the very sliipery slope of political marginalization and vanity.

King, I don't disagree with anything you said. Good insights.

Obviously, you didn't read my previous post in which I stated that The White Freedom Party will be a legally registered and recognized POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE until we gain the required number of signatures that will qualify us as a POLITICAL PARTY. In Missouri, it's 10,000 registered and voter-certified signatures.

Initially (the 06 elections), WFP candidates will run as either Republicans or Democrats. Three have already announced: Alex, myself, and Ron Doggett will run for the U.S. Congress in our respective districts. I expect we'll have at least a dozen candidates running in the primary elections next year.

And our political activities will be in addition to our other activities/VNN projects.

Thanks Moose for your pledge of support.

You are thinking like a serious adult---the kiddies are fashioning a neo-National Alliance symbol with a sword and something that looks like a spring and a rattle snake. :D Maybe, it's a before and after picture. :rolleyes:

I agree with you that there are millions of adults who want to see a serious change of course from the present direction. Money raising shouldn't be too big of a deal---because those who were young in the 60's and early 70's now have money to spend today. But, I don't think they want to listen to a lot of radical hot air and radical symbolism. They would rather see real political action on some key issues as noted in Alex's press release. Although, I'm not sure about how deep the desire is to equip every neighborhood nutcase and turd worlder with an atomic cannon.

I hope Alex's efforts to promote an alternative non-jew owned/jew controlled news network don't get lost in the very sliipery slope of political marginalization and vanity.

Radical hot air, you say? Well what the hell do you call SLAVERY and GENOCIDE ? Our truths ARE radical hot air. And we'll scream the Truthful Hot Air from the roof tops, and prove them at the same time.

Truth is called Radical Hot Air only by cowards and/or brainwashed idiots.

And if you think it's VANITY that drives us, then let's see you post your photo, real name, and address alongside your truths about the jews, ZOG, and mongrels.

Radical hot air, you say? Well what the hell do you call SLAVERY and GENOCIDE ? Our truths ARE radical hot air. And we'll scream the Truthful Hot Air from the roof tops, and prove them at the same time.

Truth is called Radical Hot Air only by cowards and/or brainwashed idiots.

And if you think it's VANITY that drives us, then let's see you post your photo, real name, and address alongside your truths about the jews, ZOG, and mongrels.

Hey, chief. What in the world are you ranting about? :rolleyes:

You know Rounder, although I tend to empathize with you, in the sense that I put myself in your position, your track record ain't that hot. My guess is that if you take an active role in organized politics; you end up back in trouble.

I'm not trying to be mean towards you, but, your involvement with the social bandits wasn't real smart.

There will be American and Confederate Battle flags at WFP gatherings, most noteably when we come together in July in Springfield, MO for the White Pride Day Celebrations/WFP Conference.

Also present and in abundance, will be the flag we decide upon to represent The White Freedom Party. All mounted on thick, 11-foot flag poles, and shouldered by Party members and supporters, and by WNs associated with us.

Radical hot air, you say? Well what the hell do you call SLAVERY and GENOCIDE ? Our truths ARE radical hot air. And we'll scream the Truthful Hot Air from the roof tops, and prove them at the same time.

Truth is called Radical Hot Air only by cowards and/or brainwashed idiots.

And if you think it's VANITY that drives us, then let's see you post your photo, real name, and address alongside your truths about the jews, ZOG, and mongrels.



We are not enslaved. 3rd class citizenship isn't slavery. We are alive. Rampaging niggers haven't extinguished the White race.

Posting one's photo, name and address on the Internet along with truths about Jews and niggers brings attention. Such attention might be very attractive to sick, obscure fucks.

Your enemies will be happy to remind you of these things.

A constructive hint: Try thinking before jacking your jaws or engaging your fingers.

The issues raised by Polybius are legitimate.

You are thinking like a serious adult---the kiddies are fashioning a neo-National Alliance symbol with a sword and something that looks like a spring and a rattle snake. Maybe, it's a before and after picture.

Whoa, easy there. Alex initiated the talk the about designing a new flag earlier in this thread. I believe that he did this because flags are symbols, and symbols have POWER. Flags are often the visual centerpieces of complex meme-plexes. Plexes like religions, states, and ideologies. Trying to design an appropriate Symbol of OUR ideology may seem like childish play, but I would suggest that it is not. If I am imformed correctly, Hitler designed the swastika flag himself, a symbol that 60 years after the defeat of German National Socialism is still one of the most widely recognized and powerful of all symbols.

Having said all that, I agree that the sword helix combo is probably too busy, and too futuristic(and yes that last sword does look something like a Life Rune). It looks like something that I wouldn't be suprised to see on the SCI FI channel(I don't mean that as an insult). My favorites so far are the variations of the Gadsen, because they are defiant, aggressive, patriotic, and unquestionably American.

Whoa, easy there. Alex initiated the talk the about designing a new flag earlier in this thread. I believe that he did this because flags are symbols, and symbols have POWER. Flags are often the visual centerpieces of complex meme-plexes. Plexes like religions, states, and ideologies. Trying to design an appropriate Symbol of OUR ideology may seem like childish play, but I would suggest that it is not. If I am imformed correctly, Hitler designed the swastika flag himself, a symbol that 60 years after the defeat of German National Socialism is still one of the most widely recognized and powerful of all symbols.

Having said all that, I agree that the sword helix combo is probably too busy, and too futuristic(and yes that last sword does look something like a Life Rune). It looks like something that I wouldn't be suprised to see on the SCI FI channel(I don't mean that as an insult). My favorites so far are the variations of the Gadsen, because they are defiant, aggressive, patriotic, and unquestionably American.

beowolf, I think perhaps Polybius and e electric are not interested in productive comments such as your's. Let's do a litmus test, shall we?

Hey Polybius and e electric, answer this: "Do you usually find yourselves in agreement with most of Draco's posts/threads?"

Beowulf,

My only remaining thoughts concerning the sword-helix flag are these:

Perhaps if the handle of the sword is simplified -- if all the lines and ornateness in the handle are removed, AND the line running down the middle of the sword's blade is removed, then this might solve the busyness problem. Also, I think the association with science and the future are strengths, not weaknesses.

Also, I actually think that the horizontal white stripe along the top edge of the flag and the horizontal white stripe along the bottom edge of the flag should be removed, so that the uppermost horizontal stripe and the bottom most horizontal stripe are red. This will also simply the flag's appearance.

If you're into it, maybe you can make these modifications, and then we'll see how it looks.

I think it's worth a try, anyway!

Also, although obviously appearance is in the eye of the beholder, I don't see much resemblance at all to the Life Rune flag. At any rate, the red rattlesnake flag on a white background with black/red outline is a great flag, and I will be proud of it if it is the flag selected.

All I ask is that my final ideas regarding the sword-helix flag be implemented, and that it be considered as a choice.

Thanks!

PS: "The bottom stripes would represent Creation and the top stripes would represent the next, higher stage of Being: the Sword and the DNA spiral would represent our struggle and fight to further our Kind along its evolutionary Path to our Higher Destiny.

"I think this is the winning design. I think that this is an elegant, powerful, forward-looking Revolutionary design that unites past, present, and future, and that the Bastards currently ruling Europe can't easily ban (because it is not a Nazi symbol). White patriots in each nation of the West could incorporate this design into their respective national flags as they begin to gather strength and strive to assume power."

AND

"I think this would be a great design and logo. It would also be pan-European. Think back to when the Marxists had the world-historical initiative: many of their overtly controlled nations flags had some variation of the hammer and sickle. The sword-DNA spiral could be our version of that!"

These are the strongest agruments I can make. I rest my case; we will have a great flag regardless of which one is ultimately selected!


You make a strong case. I think your idea really turned out well, even if it is not chosen it is something to be proud of. Here is the simplified version.

beowolf, I think perhaps Polybius and e electric are not interested in productive comments such as your's. Let's do a litmus test, shall we?

Hey Polybius and e electric, answer this: "Do you usually find yourselves in agreement with most of Draco's posts/threads?"

In general Draco is too sophomoric. But, he is correct about putting the cart before the horse. Or in this case the flag before the pole. :p

I know some of you like to use German symbolism analogies or couch your arguements in German political debates, without any knowledge of Germany. The swastika was a good luck symbol, or good luck charm, sort of like the four leaf clover.

Rather than getting the kiddies wound up about flags and symbols you should get them wound up about press releases and contacting the media in Missouri. :p

In general Draco is too sophomoric. But, he is correct about putting the cart before the horse. Or in this case the flag before the pole. :p

I know some of you like to use German symbolism analogies or couch your arguements in German political debates, without any knowledge of Germany. The swastika was a good luck symbol, or good luck charm, sort of like the four leaf clover.

Rather than getting the kiddies wound up about flags and symbols you should get them wound up about press releases and contacting the media in Missouri. :p

Actually I think we should do both. IMO we will not get very far if we rely solely on plain text to get our message out. Human communication generally consist of three components as follows:

7% verbal - the text, specifically what you are saying
38% vocal - how you say it, alliteration,tone inflection, etc.
55% visual - your appearance and body language

Now keeping these components in mind, consider mass-comunications. First you need to capture people's attention. You do this with visual displays, flags, signs, banners, etc. Next is the vocal component; how are you saying it? Lastly, the text; that is the written party platform. If the text by itself is enough, then we are done with our work gentlemen, because there is already a website that outlines the party platform. Let's just sit back and wait to start winning elections.

But seriously, to be successful, I beleive that the White Freedom Party must have the following:

1. Visual - Attractive and appropriate symbols including flags; attractive spokesmen with appropriate bodylanguage and mannerisms.

2. Vocal- Spokesmen who are comfortable with public speaking and charismatic.

3. Verbal - A well defined party platform.

Since I believe that we need the cart and the horse, it doesn't matter which we acquire first.

Actually I think we should do both. IMO we will not get very far if we rely solely on plain text to get our message out. Human communication generally consist of three components as follows:

7% verbal - the text, specifically what you are saying
38% vocal - how you say it, alliteration,tone inflection, etc.
55% visual - your appearance and body language


If you are working with Latinos/mestizos or other third worlders your media assumptions are correct. That's how it's taught in most schools today...but...here we are talking about appealing to White American adults.

If you are working with Latinos/mestizos or other third worlders your media assumptions are correct. That's how it's taught in most schools today...but...here we are talking about appealing to White American adults.

Fair enough, I will certainly not take the position that White American adults are comparable to mestizos. But consider this, today is Sunday, how many White American adults are going to spend the day watching negroes play ball, and then later in the evening watch jewish sit-coms? Alot of them are, hell alot VNNers will too. I stand by my position that if we want to compete for the attention of White Americans, we need pretty symbols and the like no matter how silly it seems to you.

Fair enough, I will certainly not take the position that White American adults are comparable to mestizos. But consider this, today is Sunday, how many White American adults are going to spend the day watching negroes play ball, and then later in the evening watch jewish sit-coms? Alot of them are, hell alot VNNers will too. I stand by my position that if we want to compete for the attention of White Americans, we need pretty symbols and the like no matter how silly it seems to you.

I don't think the DNA helix, King Arthur's sword, or even old 'ber rattlesnake is going to get you any ink... :rolleyes:

I don't think the DNA helix, King Arthur's sword, or even old 'ber rattlesnake is going to get you any ink... :rolleyes:

Perhaps not. That is why we are collecting ideas and making mockups of them, to find something that might.

In one last attempt to convice you consider the symbol below, if I asked you to write everything associated with it, how much text would that produce. Probably alot. This is the power of appropriate symbols, you can express large and complicatied ideas, in a very efficient way. The goal for us is to invent or adopt a symbol that can carry everything about the White Freedom Party and quickly communicate it to others.

Beowulf,

Here is something from VNN letters - 22 JAN 2005:

Subject: DNA spiral on WFP flag

Someone on the VNN Forum suggested placing the DNA SPIRAL on the White Freedom Party flag. This particular idea-concept is a great stroke of genius.

1) The DNA SPIRAL represents the core family blood connection of all White Men, while excluding the jew and other races.

2) It stands for planetary White racial unity.

3) It's the ideal White internationalism/Pan-European symbol.

4) It blood-ties glorious White heroism of the past to present-day White genetic responsibilities.

5) It combines all these powerful concepts into one single nature-bound elegant symbol.

I hope the DNA SPIRAL can find its place on the White Freedom Party flag.

If the sword-DNA thing is not accepted, maybe we can delete the sword altogether and just put the red and blue DNA spiral in the center of the flag, but greatly enlarged and thickened, like you originally had it in the first prototype. Everything else would remain the same.

What would you think of that?


I can't take this anymore. Its not a "DNA spiral", its a double helix.

The term Double helix (plural helices) describes the structure of DNA as first published by James Watson and Francis Crick in 1953. They showed that DNA is made up of two complementary, anti-parallel strands of the bases Guanine, Adenine, Thymine and Cytosine, covalently linked through phosphodiester bonds. Each strand forms a helix, and the two helices are held together through hydrogen bonds, ionic forces, hydrophobic interactions, and van der Waals forces forming a double helix.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/08/Dna-split.png

Glenn:

There's no doubt in my mind you could round up fifty or a hundred guys to march down Main Street carrying banners and confederate battle flags. But that's not going to accomplish much of anything useful.

The reason I'm stressing legal registration is this:

If you want to attract any substantial supporters and contributions, beyond the hard core VNN members and the $5 and $12 you're getting now, your party is going to have to be officially registered. Otherwise you give the appearance of just another overblown internet campaign with lots of talk about the future but not much substance here and now. There are hundreds of thousands, probably millions of people in the USA and elsewhere who would be willing to make a sizable contribution to a legally registered and officially recognised White-interests party in the USA. Legal registration gives the party legitimacy and the appearance of professionalism. Those same hundreds of thousands or millions of people, on the other hand, will not even consider sending money to a small town Missouri P.O. box registered to a private individual. Not because of any lack of trust necessarily but because small time efforts on an obvious shoe-string budget don't interest most "successful" people. They don't want any involvement with what looks like a fringe, weak, probably temporary organisation, even for just a few dollars. They want to be part of a winning team and they're hoping for an organisation or party to appear that looks like it has some muscle and a chance. People will instinctively get behind an organisation that gives the appearance of strength and professionalism. In order to give that appearance the party must be legally registered. Sad to say but most successful businessmen and working people who make a good living only scoff at orgs that go around with their hat in hand asking for five or twelve dollars or go around demanding five or twelve dollars. It's embarrassing. They don't want any part of that even though they can easily afford to contribute. Ask those same people for a hundred, or a thousand, or more, and you have a legitimate organisation in place to emphasise your commitment then they take you seriously. I'm convinced there are many thousands of financially comfortable and well-off Americans who would contribute generously to a party that is openly pro-White and legally registered. But they're waiting for someone to create that legal and professional entity. Until that happens they're going to just concern themselves with other things and not get involved at all. They want to see a major league effort they can support, not what they view as more in an endless procession of the same old minor league stuff. The way I look at it you've got a real chance to put together a big and important organisation right now if you're prepared to be bold. That would mean satisfy the requirements, register and be legally recognised as a political party. I'm in for US $50 if you take that approach. When you're filing with the State for recognition as a political party post a notification at the forum and I'll put my contribution in the post immediately.

Great points King. I've already sent in my political donations.

Beowulf,

Here is something from VNN letters - 22 JAN 2005:

Subject: DNA spiral on WFP flag

Someone on the VNN Forum suggested placing the DNA SPIRAL on the White Freedom Party flag. This particular idea-concept is a great stroke of genius.

1) The DNA SPIRAL represents the core family blood connection of all White Men, while excluding the jew and other races.

2) It stands for planetary White racial unity.

3) It's the ideal White internationalism/Pan-European symbol.

4) It blood-ties glorious White heroism of the past to present-day White genetic responsibilities.

5) It combines all these powerful concepts into one single nature-bound elegant symbol.

I hope the DNA SPIRAL can find its place on the White Freedom Party flag.

If the sword-DNA thing is not accepted, maybe we can delete the sword altogether and just put the red and blue DNA spiral in the center of the flag, but greatly enlarged and thickened, like you originally had it in the first prototype. Everything else would remain the same.

What would you think of that?


Ok, here is a quick and dirty mockup of a flag sporting the plural helicae.
The reds and blues don't match, but I fix that later if this flag looks promising.

Good work on the flags guys but it really should be turned into another thread. This thread is going to fill up very fast and its going to be a pain trying to nevigate through it when youre looking for info on just the org.

Rounder,
Don't let PolyPuss get you down. All he does is troll around and snip at everything from Dr. Pierces Life Rune to the enthusiastic ideas being put forth here concerning the future WFP and it party flag.

Schönen guten Tag Herr Linder,

Greetings from Germany.Action is better then words.
I hope for you and your Party the best of success.Although judging from the Party name and its Program i dont think you stand any chance of it.
Nevertheless i wish you the best of luck!Hopefully i am wrong.

P.S. Please excuse my poor english since its not my mother tongue.

Rounder,
Don't let PolyPuss get you down. All he does is troll around and snip at everything from Dr. Pierces Life Rune to the enthusiastic ideas being put forth here concerning the future WFP and it party flag.

Get me down? ZOG, Mo Dees, and federal gulags all combined couldn't get me down. I kinda doubt Polybius will have any luck.

Getting back to the WFP, I'd like to encourage our best VNN'ers to run for office in the 06 elections. Lots of highly competent, jew-wise men and women on this forum. Running for state-wide office particularly, is an excellent way to "get back at the jews," by EXPOSING them via the numerous speaking opportunities before both special interest groups, and media interviews (TV, radio, and newspapers, including lengthy radio talk shows). Also, it's a violation of federal law for radio stations and newspapers to turn down paid political ads. Imagine that !!! And small town newspaper ads are cheap. Ditto the smaller radio stations.

So yaw'll think about it. Alex and I will run for U.S. Congress, BTW. I want at least of dozen of us on the 06 ballot.

Schönen guten Tag Herr Linder,

Greetings from Germany.Action is better then words.
I hope for you and your Party the best of success.Although judging from the Party name and its Program i dont think you stand any chance of it.
Nevertheless i wish you the best of luck!Hopefully i am wrong.

P.S. Please excuse my poor english since its not my mother tongue.

Danke für Ihre Aufmerksamkeit. Das Diskussionfaden über ein politisches Beteiligtes ist nur akademisch. ;)

Perhaps our German comrade will give us some advice, insights, and constructive criticisms.

Danke für Ihre Aufmerksamkeit. Das Diskussionfaden über ein politisches Beteiligtes ist nur akademisch. ;)

Linder, Miller, and White Will may take issue with your assessment.

It is too moderate.Too soft.
And i totally miss the social aspect of the Party.A mistake that almost all "neonazi" movements seem to do.

for example :

We aren't here to get granny more pills. We aren't here to force you at gunpoint to give us your money to plant colonies of colored criminals in Section 8 housing next door. We aren't here to bootlick jews inventing lies about Weapons of Mass Destruction so they can send your boy overseas to die for Israel.


This is too specific.You must generalize at the beginning.What exactly are the great problems of the white Americans?

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You can get all that from the Republicrats, the Party that hates White men...


You put this in to distance yourselves from the Republican Party,but to me it kind of gives the impression you only want the votes of the white Republicans.What about white Democrats?Most of them surely are no diversity fanatics...The NPD got most of the votes from ex SPD (social democrats = liberals) voters.



- we put your White interests FIRST - and nothing second

- we will END the Mexican invasion

- we will RESCIND so-called civil rights laws preventing you from protecting your families and communities against colored criminals sicced on you by the same people trying to tape your mouth and take your gun

- we will WAGE NONSTOP WAR on the jews, coloreds, and mainstream sellouts forcing you to subsidize all of the above horrors
[/QUOTE]

this are all the same things.You should put them in one short phrase.


- we will bring troops HOME FROM IRAQ - immediately


the explanation is missing.


- we will PROTECT your free speech

- we will FIGHT the gun-deniers

forget this kind of propaganda.These are not important issues and dont deserve to stand at the forefront of the Party's propaganda.


In summation, we will allow you and yours to live as free, independent, and dignified adults in a nation controlled by civilized men who look and think and act like members of your own family...because they are.

too soft.


If you're tired of being a THIRD-CLASS CITIZEN in the land YOUR PEOPLE CREATED, there's only one group representing your interests:

boring.

also the Party's name must be more radical.What about "White Socialist Movement" or maybe "White Workers Party"?
And the Propaganda should be something like this:

Introducing the White Socialist Movement ... (naming in short the greatest problems of white americans)... and thus :

-we will put an end to diversity.No longer will we just sit back and watch as our America becomes darker and darker.

-we will bring the troops back home from Iraq and Afganistan,immedietly!No longer will we fight wars for Israel and international Jewry.

-we will put an end to globalisation,which has destroyed our jobs and ruined the economic future of our white children.

Our movement is thus openly Racist,Antisemitc and Socialist.We are breaking the tabus of modern American society,which are responsible for the mess we are currently in.

We envision a white,classless and prosperous America,in which prosperity and wealth will not be a privillege of a selected few,but of the entire Folk!

Danke für Ihre Aufmerksamkeit. Das Diskussionfaden über ein politisches Beteiligtes ist nur akademisch. ;)

Linder, Miller, and White Will may take issue with your assessment.

Aber, es erscheint richtig. Es ist nur akademisch, allermindestens fürs Erste.

Es tut mir Leid für mein Deutsche Grammatik, es ist schlecht.

The flag should be the 'don't tread on me' standard. Even as a non-American, to me this flag strongly evokes the sentiments of the Founding Fathers and their struggle against an imperial power. A flag without an historical grounding would require people to learn the WFP's flag all over again, whereas the snake 13-colonies flag instantly evokes the kind of struggle white Americans and the Constitution find themselves in. Unless you are a gook, Mexishit, or Somalian nigger, whereby that flag will mean nothing anyway.

Aber, es erscheint richtig. Es ist nur akademisch, allermindestens fürs Erste.

Es tut mir Leid für mein Deutsche Grammatik, es ist schlect.

I don't read German so I don't know what you are writing here. I won't speak for Glenn or Alex, but I'll say that I don't take issue with anything Polybius writes here because he has been on my Igrore list for some time now. I only see his and other contrarian deadheads' stuff from the Memory Hole when you fellows quote it in in your replies to them.

alex (little 'a') makes some valid points as do other critics, even Draco, but I'll stick to working with those who agree with most of what we say and who join with us in a spirit of cooperation to make things happen. They should know that they will have more influence in shaping things with us as insiders. Our fundamental guiding principles are sound and are now carved in granite. Even the hardcore National Socialists should not have to hold their noses to support the White Freedom Party or the Aryan Alternative, etc. We are forward looking with our collective eye fixed on long range goals for our race. We intend to impose our Aryan will on our long-suffering people by any means necessary and by dealing with them honestly.

FYI, alex, I'm not anti-Semitic -- I'm anti-Jew. Come on board. You'll like it here. We have formulated only a small percentage of what we are going to build. Like I said, we have a firm foundation. If you agree with what Alex put out in the initial press release, join with us; if you disagree with it then join with Roper or Gliebe or Metzger or Suhayda or the Council of Conservative Citizens, or do your own thing like Draco.

I agree with Paul Drake, naturally, when he says we are standing on Dr. Pierce's shoulders with the tradition we are following. Everyone in our charter group is a staunch Pierce loyalist. If someone joined NA and then constantly found fault with the National Alliance's program and goals and membership requirements, they were terminated. To hell with letting anklesnappers who constantly nitpick and harp against us into either our councils OR our forums. We need to have the greater part of VNNF available only to those who exhibit a positive attitude. Believe me, the standards for joining with the charter group of the White Freedom Party will be more stringent than ever seen before in any group one dares to name here. You haven't seen ANYTHING yet!

And remember, the Jew hates Aryan man because of our freedom. Don't tread on me, Jewboy!

It is too moderate.Too soft.
And i totally miss the social aspect of the Party.A mistake that almost all "neonazi" movements seem to do.


"Neonazi?" That is a jewish smear.

Alex Linder is not a National Socialist. He bases his political position squarely on that of the Founding Fathers.

The jews would like for our position to be "foreign" and "evil", as "neonazi" tries to suggest, but it is All-American.

...or do your own thing like Draco....



Ha! Draco doesn't "do" anything.

Rounder,
Don't let PolyPuss get you down. All he does is troll around and snip at everything from Dr. Pierces Life Rune to the enthusiastic ideas being put forth here concerning the future WFP and it party flag.

....Just like Draco. Time to clean house now that we're getting serious in the real world!

Everybody has to be pulling in the same direction. Either lead, follow, or get out of the way!

We don't need losers telling us it can't be done! White men have done the "impossible" before.

Ha! Draco doesn't "do" anything.

I agree that he shouldn't be here. I don't pay hardly any attention to what he says, but haven't put him on Ignore. He should be in with the naysayers wherever they are forced to congregate. I want to work with cooperative team players only, but we must work with sincere folks who are new to WN and who question a lot of what we do. Most newbies lurk and read a lot of what we offer until they come out and question us. Most of the threads Draco posts on I simply do not read.

We'll eventually have a section where everyone in it has EARNED his way in.

"Neonazi?" That is a jewish smear.

Alex Linder is not a National Socialist. He bases his political position squarely on that of the Founding Fathers. I'm not sure about that...

Here's a small smaple of some of my writings:


http://www.solargeneral.com/library/dropthelist.htm

http://www.solargeneral.com/library/zogencryption.htm

http://www.solargeneral.com/library/mcveigh.htm

http://www.solargeneral.com/news/linux.htm


I'm not insterested in running for any offices, but maybe I can be a speech writer. Any thoughts on this?

-M

I don't read German so I don't know what you are writing here. I won't speak for Glenn or Alex, but I'll say that I don't take issue with anything Polybius writes here because he has been on my Igrore list for some time now. I only see his and other contrarian deadheads' stuff from the Memory Hole when you fellows quote it in in your replies to them.

Hmm, alright. Polybius said, basically, all this talk about the WFP is academic. Kurtz made his statement, and I agreed with Polybius's assesment, mainly due to the fact that out of over 100 posts in the thread announcing the creation of WFP, about 100 are devoted to a flag. I truly, truly loathe to say this....but...I agree with Lindstedt on this. He mentioned back in his militia days you'd have these militia-men arguing about uniforms, rank, and insignias, despite having never taken one step towards accomplishing their goal. It's quite apt a scenario in regards to this.

alex (little 'a') makes some valid points as do other critics, even Draco,

That's my job. Thankless, but rewarding.


but I'll stick to working with those who agree with most of what we say and who join with us in a spirit of cooperation to make things happen. They should know that they will have more influence in shaping things with us as insiders. Our fundamental guiding principles are sound and are now carved in granite. Even the hardcore National Socialists should not have to hold their noses to support the White Freedom Party or the Aryan Alternative, etc. We are forward looking with our collective eye fixed on long range goals for our race. We intend to impose our Aryan will on our long-suffering people by any means necessary and by dealing with them honestly.

FYI, alex, I'm not anti-Semitic -- I'm anti-Jew. Come on board. You'll like it here. We have formulated only a small percentage of what we are going to build. Like I said, we have a firm foundation. If you agree with what Alex put out in the initial press release, join with us; if you disagree with it then join with Roper or Gliebe or Metzger or Suhayda or the Council of Conservative Citizens, or do your own thing like Draco.

If YOU take a visible leadership role, maybe the WFP has a chance. You obviously have the level of maturity and humility necessary for politics.

Believe me, the standards for joining with the charter group of the White Freedom Party will be more stringent than ever seen before in any group one dares to name here. You haven't seen ANYTHING yet!

I honestly have a very difficult time believing this, given the background of Miller. How will you avoid the hypocrisy of barring members with mixed-race children, convicted felons, or who were in the witness protection program?

This isn't a barb, it's a serious question worth thinking over in regards to your desired stringent membership policy.

Us critics do have a purpose by asking those kinds of questions after all.

Ha! Draco doesn't "do" anything.

....Just like Draco. Time to clean house now that we're getting serious in the real world!

While I am flattered by your obsession with me, finishing school, working on a law degree, working, hunting for a second job, and planning for a family with the better half is actually very hard work for a 22 year old.

Here's a small smaple of some of my writings:


http://www.solargeneral.com/library/dropthelist.htm
.........
I'm not insterested in running for any offices, but maybe I can be a speech writer. Any thoughts on this?

-M

I think that you have written some really good stuff there, but you are not entirely correct about the membership business. That is largely Metzger's approach, which is fine, but its not based on a good understanding of what happened in the Mulugeta Seraw incident. I have read a hundred little hitlers, a book Metzger himself recommends, and one of the big reasons Metzger got hit with the verdict was, simply that he had a fool for a lawyer. Namely, he represented himself. If somebody gets hit with a big lawsuit they need to hire a lawyer properly qualified in the field and jurisdiction to defend them. Metzger didnt, and played to "politics" instead of the jury.

Dees had some other successes, mostly where the people didnt get effective representation. He is cherry picking his cases. As far as I know the only time he had to slug it out against an effective advocate was against Edgar Steele in the AN trial. There, Butler had engaged in some seriously questionable judgment calls where staff and policies were concerned. So Edgar had crappy facts to work with, to say the least.

Here we have a mere association that does not endeavor to control members. We have a strictly legal purpose and careful leadership. If members go out and goof on their own time that is their problem. If they are an embarassment or a liability I gather they will be expelled. No doubt these issues will be fleshed out in time. Some peope would have everything figured out in minute detail without ever getting moving. Clearly, Linder and Rounder and associates have not been stopped by "the perfect being the enemy of the good." I applaud them for their intentions. Remember this motto: "He who dares..."

It's not for me to articulate policy for this organization, I am just addressing some of the issues people are touching upon and REJECTING the defeatist "LONE WOLF" do-nothing-because-we'll-get-sued mentality. I believe that this organization can and will establish some guidelines to help assure a quality membership.

"Neonazi?" That is a jewish smear.

Alex Linder is not a National Socialist. He bases his political position squarely on that of the Founding Fathers.

The jews would like for our position to be "foreign" and "evil", as "neonazi" tries to suggest, but it is All-American.

That's pretty much my take on this too.

I think that you have written some really good stuff there, but you are not entirely correct about the membership business. That is largely Metzger's approach, which is fine, but its not based on a good understanding of what happened in the Mulugeta Seraw incident. I have read a hundred little hitlers, a book Metzger himself recommends, and one of the big reasons Metzger got hit with the verdict was, simply that he had a fool for a lawyer. Namely, he represented himself. If somebody gets hit with a big lawsuit they need to hire a lawyer properly qualified in the field and jurisdiction to defend them. Metzger didn't, and played to "politics" instead of the jury.

Thank you, AE. I can always count on you to keep a level head.

Having watched Matt Hale go down in flames over what should have been an easy refutation of governmental lies, I beg to differ.

No lawyer in his right mind would come near Metzger after all of his publicity in the case, thus he had no options for effective legal representations. Also, with attorneys charging hundreds of dollar per hour these days, affording an attorney is an ordeal in itself for a working class individual.

Have you ever watched the video Hate on Trial? It was the documentary that was made out of the court footage of the Metzger trial; it's hard to come by but I suggest you pick it up, maybe through your library, if at all possible. You get to see the black judge (but not the diverse jury) so no matter how the cards were stacked or how well he played the game, he didn't have a good chance from the start.

Dees had some other successes, mostly where the people didnt get effective representation. He is cherry picking his cases. As far as I know the only time he had to slug it out against an effective advocate was against Edgar Steele in the AN trial. There, Butler had engaged in some seriously questionable judgment calls where staff and policies were concerned. So Edgar had crappy facts to work with, to say the least.

The judge still ruled against Butler in the end, didn't he? So, in other words, good lawyer or not, the enemies still got what they wanted, right? Is that what I'm hearing?

Under what criteria can non-PC Whites expect a fair trial? For that matter, when was the last time any WN had some major victory in court?

Dees is a pet of the powers-that-be, and thus he is allowed to go about the country buying off witnesses who will perjure themselves on the stand. He is essentially breaking the law, but that's okay because he's only hurting some of the more active patriot types and not ZOG or the general population.

This will continue until Dees is stopped and his followers begin to pay some kind of price for their actions. In this regard, Whitey doesn't have much to lose if we start getting mean.

Here we have a mere association that does not endeavor to control members. We have a strictly legal purpose and careful leadership. If members go out and goof on their own time that is their problem. If they are an embarrassment or a liability I gather they will be expelled. No doubt these issues will be fleshed out in time. Some people would have everything figured out in minute detail without ever getting moving. Clearly, Linder and Rounder and associates have not been stopped by "the perfect being the enemy of the good." I applaud them for their intentions. Remember this motto: "He who dares..."

We may endeavor to be 100% legal all the way, but it is not you or I nor our fellow party members who determine the legality of our actions, but instead our sworn enemies, so while we dare all we can, I question what results we're going to get by doing things they way they've always been done before.

Speaking of which, isn't that the definition of insanity, e.g., doing the same things in the exact same manner and expecting different results?

It's not for me to articulate policy for this organization, I am just addressing some of the issues people are touching upon and REJECTING the defeatist "LONE WOLF" do-nothing-because-we'll-get-sued mentality. I believe that this organization can and will establish some guidelines to help assure a quality membership.

Ironically I'm of the opinion that forming White/patriotic/constitutionalist political parties is an absolute old, right-wing dead end throwback. How many times have we done this sort of same, tired, old standard rule-book play in the past 60 – 80 years? What's going to be different this time? Remember Wallace and Goldwater? How far did we get with those Kosher konservative groups like the John Birch [bitch?] Society, an interference group that still can't name the jew to this day even while they are oh so ardent criticizers of jewish communism? Why couldn't they connect those simple dots even back then?

If we're going to be trying something different this time, something entirely new and original and unique that's guaranteed to be different, I'm all ears. This isn't about “we might get sued,” it more about “how are we going to accomplish this with a political party?” Further, how are we going to avoid repeating the same, tired history of all the other sinkholes of the Old Right that have come before us?

As for myself, my opinion is that the West is in for a wild ride, due to events beyond our control or even collective consciousness. Things are going to get a lot worse before they get any better. My thoughts are that once these problems reach a critical threshold for the masses, they will begin to clamor for a solution. Not beforehand.

My belief is that in the end, the leader will appear when the people are ready to receive him, and any action beforehand is jumping the gun. Too many lemmings are too brainwashed by the jew tube to accept any Aryan alternative, even if it means an easier time for them in the future. They don't see the issues because they can't identify the problems, and thus they aren't ready for our solutions at this point in time.

Now, that being said, I have to wonder what our goals are for a WFP? Sure, we can have rallies, marches, flags, banners, logos, symbols, speeches, lectures, et al., but I have to ask: What do we hope to accomplish? How will we define success?

I eagerly await your reply, AE. [Note: I'm not trying to be an ass here, I just want your take on it.]

As it stands, I'm still interested in throwing my hat into the ring as a speech writer, if for no other reason than to hone my skills at it. I have the will and capability to do the job. Will anyone take me up on my offer?

I think that you have written some really good stuff there, but you are not entirely correct about the membership business. That is largely Metzger's approach, which is fine, but its not based on a good understanding of what happened in the Mulugeta Seraw incident. I have read a hundred little hitlers, a book Metzger himself recommends, and one of the big reasons Metzger got hit with the verdict was, simply that he had a fool for a lawyer. Namely, he represented himself. If somebody gets hit with a big lawsuit they need to hire a lawyer properly qualified in the field and jurisdiction to defend them. Metzger didnt, and played to "politics" instead of the jury.

Dees had some other successes, mostly where the people didnt get effective representation. He is cherry picking his cases. As...........

I suggest serious would be activists read the splc website regarding their lawsuits such as this item, for a list of "how not tos" regarding appropriate responses to incidents of people going off half cocked and so forth. this but one example there are many at the website.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=413

you might also like to try and read some of the complaints archived there. one example, the seraw complaint:

http://www.splcenter.org/pdf/dynamic/legal/berhanuvmetzger_amcomplaint.pdf

Note by the way that "war" was included as a defendant refered to as an "unincorporated association." so much for that allowing people to avoid judgments eh?

Malleus, you asked two important questions, which I'll answer:

(1) What does the WFP hope to accomplish? ANSWER: Expose the Jews to the maximum and do so more and more persuasively with our tabloid newspaper, our multi-media tools, our websites, and other projects. I trust we'll have a dozen or more WFP "cadre" running for statewide office in 06, myself and Alex included. I ran 3 times in the 80's. Candidates received literally dozens of invites from special interest groups. For example, I addressed 300-400 members of the N.C. Association of Newspaper editors and publishers, and presented each with packet of WN literature; Also, 300 or members of the N.C. Bankers Association - ditto. And over a dozen other special interest groups. I was invited as a guest on several lengthly radio talk shows. I was interviewed by more than a dozen newspapers, and half a dozen TV stations. I mailed press releases and letters to editors of dozens of N.C. newspapers, many of which were published because I was a bonafide candidate. And I engaged in other campaign activities - all with the aim of EXPOSING THE JEWS, and waking up White people.

Your 2nd question: How will we define success? With a dozen capable jew-wise men/women doing the above, the success is obvious. And then add our other projects, such as the distributions of hundreds of thousands of our tabloid newspapers, attracting more and more folks to our websites, our other media projects, such as the productions of video documentaries, and audio, etc., the successes of all these efforts/projects are even more obvious.

In addition and meanwhile, we'll assemble dozens of good dedicated men/women into the WFP's Charter Group (or Cadre), who will be selected and approved by Alex on the basis of their talents and contributions to our organization. All these inputs/contributions will be harnassed and directed expertly towards effective Party projects, all designed to EXPOSE THE JEWS, wake up White folks, and to continually make the WFP more and more effective, extensive, and numerous.

WFP rank-and-file members will plainly see our steadily increasing projects/activities and agree that they are effective, legal, and sound and will consequently have more and more confidence in us thus make the decision to support us increasingly. And the masses who read our newspaper, loggon to our websites, learn of us via the establishment media, and study our programs and goals, will also support us in ever increasing numbers.

We have no crystal ball Malleus. We cannot foretell the future. We cannot guarantee we won't be framed, entrapped, and persecuted by Dees and/or ZOG. But we cannot allow fear of the uncertain to paralyze us into silence and inaction, or to "play it safe", "don't get too involved", "go with the smart money", "try to sneak up on the jews", etc, etc, etc.

We have the TRUTH or OUR side, and we have a duty and responsibility to proclaim it to the masses of our people, and to do so to the very best of our abilities.

I am not here to critisize you.Since i'm not an American and dont live there,my opinions have to be treaded carefully.Not everything i propose does adjust so well on the so called "american reality".I only want to give you some advice,where i think advice is needed.From comrade to comrade,so to speak.
Seeing the Programm of Alex Linder's WFP i was alarmed,because i thought i saw another disaster in the making.
There are two issues that concern every white society.Be it Germany or America or god knows what :

-while immigration of non-white hordes does destroy us geneticaly

-globalisation destroys us economicaly.

To me it is incomprehenseble,how a "neonazi" Party no matter how moderate it is,does not name globalisation as a serius problem that must be solved.
Thats why i can only urge you to take up on these social issues in your main Party Propaganda.

I am not here to critisize you.Since i'm not an American and dont live there,my opinions have to be treaded carefully.Not everything i propose does adjust so well on the so called "american reality".I only want to give you some advice,where i think advice is needed.From comrade to comrade,so to speak.
Seeing the Programm of Alex Linder's WFP i was alarmed,because i thought i saw another disaster in the making.
There are two issues that concern every white society.Be it Germany or America or god knows what :

-while immigration of non-white hordes does destroy us geneticaly

-globalisation destroys us economicaly.

To me it is incomprehenseble,how a "neonazi" Party no matter how moderate it is,does not name globalisation as a serius problem that must be solved.
Thats why i can only urge you to take up on these social issues in your main Party Propaganda.

Damn good advice, Alex. Non-white immigration and globalization are indeed top issues. Neither of which, I will add, would be without the GD kikes. Kikes are the disease. All other anti-White issues are symptoms. (The "snake's head" is jewish).

Our political candidates will be "screaming" about immigration and globalization during our campaigns. VNN, our tabloid newspaper, and our other media weapons will, as well.

Alex Linder is of course, well aware of which issues are most important, therefore will address them in a proper priority manner and degree. Remember the WFP is just now getting off the ground - still in the planning and structuring stages.

Thanks for your interest and inputs.

I am not here to critisize you.Since i'm not an American and dont live there,my opinions have to be treaded carefully.Not everything i propose does adjust so well on the so called "american reality".I only want to give you some advice,where i think advice is needed.From comrade to comrade,so to speak.
Seeing the Programm of Alex Linder's WFP i was alarmed,because i thought i saw another disaster in the making.
There are two issues that concern every white society.Be it Germany or America or god knows what :

-while immigration of non-white hordes does destroy us geneticaly

-globalisation destroys us economicaly.

To me it is incomprehenseble,how a "neonazi" Party no matter how moderate it is,does not name globalisation as a serius problem that must be solved.
Thats why i can only urge you to take up on these social issues in your main Party Propaganda.

Nein. Alex ist nicht ein Neo-nazi. Alex hat demonstriert ihr versteht moderne deutsche Geschichte und die Rolle des Kanzler Hitler. Das gute und das Schlechte. Natürlich setzen Sie hier globalization in allen seine Formen entgegen.

Some of us have figured out Chancellor Schroeder too.

In some ways, Chancellor Schroeder, behind the 1984ish sweet jew rhetoric, has accomplished things that Hitler or Bismarck could only dream of accomplishing. :D

Hmm, alright. Polybius said, basically, all this talk about the WFP is academic. Kurtz made his statement, and I agreed with Polybius's assesment, mainly due to the fact that out of over 100 posts in the thread announcing the creation of WFP, about 100 are devoted to a flag. I truly, truly loathe to say this....but...I agree with Lindstedt on this. He mentioned back in his militia days you'd have these militia-men arguing about uniforms, rank, and insignias, despite having never taken one step towards accomplishing their goal. It's quite apt a scenario in regards to this.

If YOU take a visible leadership role, maybe the WFP has a chance. You obviously have the level of maturity and humility necessary for politics.

I honestly have a very difficult time believing this, given the background of Miller. How will you avoid the hypocrisy of barring members with mixed-race children, convicted felons, or who were in the witness protection program?

This isn't a barb, it's a serious question worth thinking over in regards to your desired stringent membership policy.

Us critics do have a purpose by asking those kinds of questions after all.

This is a lot for me to comment on adequately. First, Polybius is not on my radar screen so I don't know what he is writing these days. He, like Steve B, obviously knows a lot about our struggle, but I put them both on Ignore with all the others once it became clear to me that they are more interested in sandbox play and being cute and clever than they are in serious resistance building. I have no time for people who are constantly snapping at my ankles with counterproductive bullshit.

Why do you keep revisiting the flag thread? I agree with you. It wore me out after the first day. I said my piece and put that behind me early on. It's rather petty of you to harp on that as an excuse not to support WFB and everything associated with what we are attempting to build. My favorite symbols that came out of that discussion are the red white and black variation of the all-American revolutionary imagery from the DON'T TREAD ON ME! Gadsden flag, and the thinking man's double helix with an SS/Viking dagger thrust up through it. I believe the latter was Betsy Ross's idea. When the graphics for that absolutely original symbol are simplified and fully refined I expect it will be adopted along with the Gadsden variation. I always liked the understated mathematical symbol for equal (=) with the (/) through it that Dr. Pierce adopted for the National Youth Alliance in 1971, before that organization eventually became the National Alliance in 1974 and he adopted the Life Rune. I'll always embrace the Life Rune in honor of Dr. Pierce no matter if some asshole wants to call it Gumby, or whatever.

For years I've had a healthy contempt for all politicians (except Glenn Miller, who is simply exploiting a loophole when he runs). Maybe you have noticed that I have not announced for office as Alex and Glenn have. I never say never, but I don't like doing things half-assed. If I run it wil be to win, not just to have a platform for our ideas. I have not ruled the prospect of running for elected office out some time in the future but my plate is full enough right now to be committing to something like that.

As for my defending Glenn Miller, he has paid his so-called debt to society in full and like a good guerrilla fighter has returned to fight another day. Pardon my atrocious mixed methphor but Glenn made it clear to everyone time and time again in all those 1,000+ VNNF posting that were destroyed that he would be happy to take a seat at the rear of the WN bus, but nobody else came forward to help Alex advance the ball, so he picked it up and showed us how to do it. All your talk about mud children, and the Witness Protection Program and being a convicted felon is empty rhetoric to me. You are merely parroting crap from hostile rivals, Order-worshippers and other yahoos who are trapped in their past and who criticize rather than pick up the ball and run with it, or at the least, throw some effective downfield blocks. Most folks in the WN aren't even in the stadium, much less engaged on the field of play, and if they are and not benched on the sidelines, they can't bring themselves to leave the comfort of the huddle to risk hard contact.

Glenn is an honest man. He has made more than his share of mistakes, but that is because he had the guts to pick up the ball and run with it. I know for a fact that the first thing he thinks about each morning when his eyes open is how he can spend his day exposing the goddamned Jew. Not only that, it's the last thing that crosses his one-track mind when his head hits the pillow at night. You would deny this man's vast experience and ability to motivate White men and women to get off their asses to do the right thing? Not I.

I'll cut and paste part of something I wrote in a PM to a sincere inquiry someone on this board sent to me a couple of days ago and add a bit for you. This might throw further light on why I support Mr. Miller. I think it addresses some of your concerns and it will save me some time explaining my decision to support Alex so I can get out of the house and get some work done today:

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[...]I appreciate your concern and understand your confusion over the Miller controversy. I wish you could have been in Glenn's living room last weekend with me and Alex and a couple of other equally rabid White men, trying diligently to hammer out a plan for a new organization for our people. You'd have gained a new appreciation for Miller that doesn't come across in his repetitive, redneck-style posts on VNNF.

Glenn is the man who got me active in this thing 20 years ago. He was taken from us by Morris Dees, the Order and JOG and he and Steve Miller (no relation), our #2 White Patriot Party leader, served a total of 14 years in prison as a result of standing up boldly for our race, not to mention years of stringent parole following their prison stretches. It was a set-up conducted in a kangaroo courtroom. I know because I was in that courtroom every day of their trial. Convicted felon, indeed.

Glenn's living children are all straight A students in his community's public school system, or were before metriculating on to secondary schools -- high achievers every one. His two daughters have won the local spelling bee for four years. They are all exceptional athletes, well-behaved ladies and gentlemen, and as racist as can be, just like us. His departed son that you ask about, the so-called "criminal" who firebombed a nigger crack house could have well become the Great White Leader had he not died in a fiery car crash. Fact is there are no longer any nigger crack houses in their county as a result of his passionate son's bold actions. When he confronted evil he acted as a man of his race should, with little regard for personal consequences. He was an instant hero to the White community and a chip off his old man's block. As coarse as Glenn comes across to you on VNNF, he is a master motivator and knows how to deliver on his seemingly outrageous promises. FACT! He is unrelenting.

I used to think Glenn was a snitch, too, until I decided to get to the bottom of things myself. He gave a good accounting of his actions years ago in his book _A White Man Speaks Out_, which I ordered about 4 or 5 years ago, read, then sought him out to fill in details. I was glad to see him come onto this forum to give his side of the controversy in over 1,000 postings. Unfortunately, Roper decided to destroy Glenn's side of things for all time like some sort of goddamned thought cop. Alex's stock went up in my mind for standing by Glenn in the face of such pressure to fold. That's when he won me all the way over. He did the right thing.

Anyway, we move on. Some will stay and some will leave and go with Roper. That's fine. I'll hitch my own wagon to Alex's star. He needs the advice and guidance of activists like me and Glenn and Ron Doggett who have had so much more experience fighting the Beast. [Name deleted] and a number of other proven stalwarts have already gotten firmly on board with us. I hope you will, too, when you have sorted things out for yourself. We all have no problem deferring to Alex. Like you say, he's it! And, yes, in answer to your question, Glenn is both sincere and trustworthy. Take that to the bank.

[personal commentary deleted]
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I hope that helps. And I hope Glenn doesn't mind my talking about his children publicly. His example as a racist father is right up there with Tom Metzger in my eye -- the best! Like he told me jokingly, he's the only juvenile delinquent in his family. With Glenn what you see is what you get. He is one of the most selfless, generous, focused men I have ever had the pleasure of working with, and, like Alex, when he sees he has fucked up, he admits it, learns from his mistakes and moves on. Don't judge him for being a highschool dropout anymore than you'd judge our pioneer forefathers for their lack of an advanced education. It's life experience and deeds that make the man, not book-learning and advanced degrees from anti-White academia. Our universities are full of so-called smart, but intellectually dishonest professors who can't hit their own asses with both hands when it comes to matters of race.

While I am flattered by your obsession with me, finishing school, working on a law degree, working, hunting for a second job, and planning for a family with the better half is actually very hard work for a 22 year old.

Once again, you flatter yourself, little boy. You really are a pompous ass.

My "obsession" is with the success of White Nationalism, VNN/F, TAA, the WFP, and Alex Linder.

You are merely representative of a problem that will be rectified sooner or later.

What you are so "busy" with (that you can still spend hours everyday being a little bitch on VNNF) is just normal life, don't use it as an excuse for your refusal to work for the White race.

The real reason you are not active and supportive is FEAR. You are a coward, and that was made plain in your response to me in the Glenn Miller Award thread when you rattled on about ZOG's ability to persecute dissidents. THAT is the real reason you have affected your posture as a "critic." You hide behind every little criticism to excuse your refusal to participate. You use the faults and weaknesses of every active White man to justify sitting on the sidelines. You call nitpicking and naysaying "honest, constructive criticism." Spend several decades actively fighting for your race, and then you will be in a position to criticize and admonish others.

I hope the time you and your ilk will be allowed to infect this movement with armchair quarterbacking and pseudo-intellectual posturing on this forum is limited.

Once again, you flatter yourself, little boy. You really are a pompous ass.

My "obsession" is with the success of White Nationalism, VNN/F, TAA, the WFP, and Alex Linder.

You sure about that? Alot of time seems devoted to lil old me. Flattering itz!

You are merely representative of a problem that will be rectified sooner or later.

More fantasy based wishful thinking. Boring. Hows that Day of the Rope coming along? Any day now?

What you are so "busy" with (that you can still spend hours everyday being a little bitch on VNNF) is just normal life, don't use it as an excuse for your refusal to work for the White race.

By having White children I am doing the utmost duty.

The real reason you are not active and supportive is FEAR. You are a coward, and that was made plain in your response to me in the Glenn Miller Award thread when you rattled on about ZOG's ability to persecute dissidents. THAT is the real reason you have affected your posture as a "critic." You hide behind every little criticism to excuse your refusal to participate. You use the faults and weaknesses of every active White man to justify sitting on the sidelines. You call nitpicking and naysaying "honest, constructive criticism." Spend several decades actively fighting for your race, and then you will be in a position to criticize and admonish others.

1) Who has spent decades fighting for the race? Only Metzger comes to mind, a man I respect for his offbeat approach to life, and Pierce, who's now utterly ruined lifes work is now the latest example why the "movement" does not deserve to exist, or at best, rightfully should be confined to the fringe.

2) Why would I participate in a "movement" that hasn't moved in 50 years? Its like investing my life savings in a business which has never made one sale. As far as I see, raising racially conscious White children is the ONLY way to spit in the face of anti-whites. Anyone else trying to sell some other pitch is, as history shows-up to no good.

I hope the time you and your ilk will be allowed to infect this movement with armchair quarterbacking and pseudo-intellectual posturing on this forum is limited.

Can I have your picture, name, and address? This will help me research all of the great things I am sure you have done "for the race"....besides stalking me on a website. For a laugh, I put "siobhain"+"draco" into this sites search..more than half of your posts are dedicated to me. Sure you want to stick with that, "I'm not obsessed with you" stance?

Something tells me I shouldn't hold my breath because I won't get that information? Or are you "underground"? :cool:

It's hilarious how you can't get someone who basically agrees with most of your tenets to work with you, and you want to win over people who hate you?

Good luck, you need it!

I'm out of this thread, it's pointless. Have fun!

You sure about that? Alot of time seems devoted to lil old me. Flattering itz!



More fantasy based wishful thinking. Boring. Hows that Day of the Rope coming along? Any day now?



By having White children I am doing the utmost duty.



1) Who has spent decades fighting for the race? Only Metzger comes to mind, a man I respect for his offbeat approach to life, and Pierce, who's now utterly ruined lifes work is now the latest example why the "movement" does not deserve to exist, or at best, rightfully should be confined to the fringe.

2) Why would I participate in a "movement" that hasn't moved in 50 years? Its like investing my life savings in a business which has never made one sale. As far as I see, raising racially conscious White children is the ONLY way to spit in the face of anti-whites. Anyone else trying to sell some other pitch is, as history shows-up to no good.



Can I have your picture, name, and address? This will help me research all of the great things I am sure you have done "for the race"....besides stalking me on a website. For a laugh, I put "siobhain"+"draco" into this sites search..more than half of your posts are dedicated to me. Sure you want to stick with that, "I'm not obsessed with you" stance?

Something tells me I shouldn't hold my breath because I won't get that information? Or are you "underground"? :cool:

It's hilarious how you can't get someone who basically agrees with most of your tenets to work with you, and you want to win over people who hate you?

Good luck, you need it!

I'm out of this thread, it's pointless. Have fun!

Hey Alex, whats this little punk doing on a moderated forum?

Also, anyone with questions may post them here. This forum will be a moderated forum; that is, we will remove any posts that we feel are non-constructive, mostly for housekeeping. If you're not interested in the party, you may start a thread honestly critiquing it, but stay out of threads where active discussion among those seeking to prosper it occur. And of course, honest questions are fair in any thread.

.Having watched Matt Hale go down in flames over what should have been an easy refutation of governmental lies, I beg to differ.......Under what criteria can non-PC Whites expect a fair trial? For that matter, when was the last time any WN had some major victory in court?.....
...... How will we define success?
......

I'm going to give some answers to all that that will be unsatisfactory to you because they will be incomplete and somewhat more general than you might like.

First off, ask yourselves how the Bolsheviks won when they were illegal. Or any other Marxist revolution succeed. How did the Jews go from the moneychangers and slave traders of the Turk Empire to the British murdering terrorists of the Irgun to the tank riding Pal-shooters of today. How did Franco beat back the commies, how did Hitler go from convicted of treason to Reichschancellor in a decade. How did a thousand coups happen successfully etc. Money, brains, people, power, skills and expertise, will, all in the right combination with plenty of luck.

We have tons of people with plenty of brains and many native talents and some skills. Problem is they are mostly as herdable as cats, and most are very young, and in all sincerity, where they are not lazy and scared they are probably crazy and undisicplined. So, there are some challenges on the personnel end, but I'd rather work with Whites than any other kind! At the leadership level we also have many fuhrers of poor quality and few standouts. Luckily there is some rising talent and much of it right here at your fingertips on this forum. We do propaganda reasonably well, and we're going to do it more and better and we'll see what happens from there with politics and so forth.

Secondly, we are short on skills and expertise. But, a few things done competently and well and sustained, like the VNN main page, or this forum, or TAA, will attract skills and expertise.

Power-- comes from the right combination of other factors, and there is one big key in gaining power.

Money.

Money is where we are short. For many reasons. But I have come to wonder if it's not more because people are dispirited and dont want to piss money away on failures, than just that people dont have spending money. We do. I didnt believe it but Jimmy Teuton taught me otherwise. With the right projects, lined up with top notch talent and good plans, money will show up for the game.

With money you can buy quite a bit of all the rest of those factors in turn, and reinvest into new successful combinations, and build build build.

A word about lawyers. You put your finger on one important issue. Money. You talk about a racist victory. I'll give you one. Ever heard of Randy Weaver? Remember the guy who was in People in his anti-"zog" Tshirt? Remember the governtment gook sniper Lon Horiuchi murdering his wife? Randy Weaver took the government to trial with one Gerry Spence and won a verdict over a million dollars. Ouch. I guess when the lawyer is top shelf, results can be forthcoming after all eh?

I'm not saying we've got Gerry Spences lining up to represent. And the legal talent has been thin, and the decks have been stacked. But guess what. We're working on it. There is only one self declared lawyer at this forum and that is JohnFlynn but there are others. Dont ask cuz I wont tell.

Matt Hale will be the last open racist who gets denied a bar license. They can do that as much as they like, because the lesson's been learned. There are plenty of racists in law school and those commie bastards in law school are helping us make new racists every day. And Matt Hale is not dead. Matt Hale has not been sentenced and Matt Hale will have an appeal. While he is in prison Matt Hale will grow stronger. Matt Hale is not forgotten and Matt Hale hasnt cracked. Let's see what we can do to make good news for him!

More about lawyers. The bad news is the good news. Namely, lawyers are like whores. You pay to play. That means they will hire out to racists. If you think otherwise you are simply wrong. But, that doesnt mean it's easy to hire a good lawyer, or get a reasonable fees for a job well done, or always get a favorable outcome. In fact, for anybody, from the nigger in lockup to major corporations, hiring a competent effective reasonably priced lawyer is a big BIG challenge. So, its less of a handicap than "movement" people think it is.

As for outcomes in trials. Better lawyers will help. So will more media savvy and organization. Building White media is and remains a priority. Linder has achieved another victory, another success, by starting a fledgling tabloid and getting a dispersed distribution network underway. May be small now, but its out there. Cable access-- underutilized. That will change. Multimedia production-- look all around you at the many projects being undertaken hither and yon. Eating around the edges? Sure. But around the edges is where the opportunities lie and where we are building skills and competence. I will even say, over a couple years a guy like Von Blevins or whatever, has gotten way better at his craft and is still at it. Good for him.

Politics, the final fronteir. The most expensive and difficult ventures they will be, and who knows what the return will be. But it has to happen even if we are talking small humble attempts.

See Malleus, the Jews have a thousand fires to put out. They have internal squabbles. They have few numbers. They have many chinks in their armor and their major asset is chutzpah. If we put a thousand pinpricks in the hot air balloon of Jewish power, it will sink. Sure, there will be obstacles. There will be failures. There will be disappointments. More people will go to jail. Maybe some of us will end up like Kathy Ainsworth. Maybe some of us will end up like Mark Gaudin. But fear of failure should not hold us back. Fear of death should not hold us back. We all have to die sometime. Fear of harm to kin, fear of loss of love from kin, fear of insults, fear of system opprobrium, fear of divorce, fear of losing jobs, fear of niggers, fear of the Zogjew behind the curtains like Oz. Fear-- that is most of what is holding us back.

I say, caution yes; preparation yes; but fear? Prepare harder. Use it to keep you sharp. Fear, I feel it too. All the time. It makes my balls shrivel up and my stomach feel sick and I get jittery and real sharp like a mean dog who may just bite. The only bad thing fear can do to you is paralyze you or stop you from acting. Otherwise, fear keeps you sharp. Fear that motivates, fear that strengthens and energizes, that fear is your friend. Anger makes you daring, but sometimes stupid. Fear makes you strong-- if you learn to harness fear instead of letting fear harness you.

Malleus- hammer? Think of Charles the Hammer. Who was he? A Frankish knight who helped beat back the Muslims from France. Oh, and those Muslims were vastly superior in technology and military organization to the Franks. What did the Franks have that they did not? A question worth pondering and Charles Martel a hero worth remembering.

As WLP said to me in a letter, it is they who should fear us. And since then, I have smelled the fear of the Jew. They fear us, and even today Sharon stands in Poland calling everybody and their sister, antisemites! Their fear is manifest and growing stronger and it will motivate them but it will also make them make mistakes. Such as, they are still afraid of Europe and they dont even notice the Arabs growing more crafty and determined by the day. LOL. A thousand takeovers by the Jew have happened in this century, and hundreds of them are coming unraveled.

Malleus-- this is a growth industry. Opportunities abound. Lawful opportunities, and things that will lead to real power for Whites in the real world. If you were a shark like me, you would taste the blood in the water. Contact Linder or Miller or White Will and talk to them about your skills and see what you can do. And leave fear behind for the excitement of joining in a collective exercise of will to power.

More fantasy based wishful thinking. Boring. Hows that Day of the Rope coming along? Any day now?

What in the world are you talking about, little boy? The problem I am speaking of is trolls and disruptors on the forum of which you are representative. Eventually, the forum will become more organized and productive and free of idiots such as yourself, or at least I hope. That is the solution I speak of.

You clearly don't understand the goals and principles of WN. That was made clear to me in your "magic bullet" thread in which you completely misunderstood what WN is trying to do. As Invisible Umpire put it, you created a straw man argument, but I'm beginning to think you just don't understand what it's all about.

You're out of here? Promise? Somehow I think you don't have anything else to do. Maybe you should work more than three days a week, junior.

Very good points Alex (Alexander Kleber vielleicht?). It's pointless to
"soften" the message in order to appear "respectable." Any political party advocating White interests will be demonised as "nazi" in the american media regardless of how carefully and pleasantly the agenda is presented. It would be better to speak plainly and openly from the beginning. That eliminates the need to continually play word games when speaking or writing. Presenting the party platform honestly from the start prevents being "tripped up" in the future while trying to remain coy and benign publicly.

Very good points Alex (Alexander Kleber vielleicht?). It's pointless to
"soften" the message in order to appear "respectable." Any political party advocating White interests will be demonised as "nazi" in the american media regardless of how carefully and pleasantly the agenda is presented. It would be better to speak plainly and openly from the beginning. That eliminates the need to continually play word games when speaking or writing. Presenting the party platform honestly from the start prevents being "tripped up" in the future while trying to remain coy and benign publicly.

I agree King. Since truth is our biggest weapon, we must not compromise it. And you're right, any White gentile who is openly pro-White is labelled a racist, a bigot, and a hater. And every White gentile who openly criticizes Isral is labelled an anti-semite.

The jews are deliberately and systematically committing genocide against our people. If we're afraid to say it PUBLICLY, then we ought to quit and lay down like whipped dogs and cowardly, contented slaves.

I have followed with great interest the initial formation of the WFP. It's a vital step in the right direction, IMO.

During the early-mid 1990's, I was a state leader here in the midwest for the (at the time) largest faction of the KKK.

One of the best ways I found to get that all important initial contact was via a telephone hotline.

We secured a digital answering machine (no tape to rewind/wear out) a phone line and had 1,000 business cards made up with our contact information and the hotline number. The whole project cost around $100, if memory serves.

I and another Brother distributed the entire 1,000 cards over the course of a weekend. I still remember sitting and waiting for that first person to call in.

The response was nothing short of amazing. Within just a few days, we were getting over 100 calls a day. Within a few weeks, that number was 250 calls every single day. The hotline took on a life of it's own.

Somehow (I still wonder about this) the number made it's way across the entire country. We took calls from 37 states. The media got hold of it, did numerous print and television stories about the "hotline of hate".

The message played non-stop. People were calling in 24/7. We changed the message every week, and with caller I.D. (which was brand new technology back then) we confirmed that a great many of the callers were people who called in every week.

The caller I.D. also let us know that the local Police and Sherriff's Dept. called in each and every week, along with the local newspaper, television & radio station, etc.

I would guess that during the lifetime of that hotline (16 months) over 50,000 people heard a racialist message. After the initial purchase of the equipment and cards, the project cost less than $20 a month for the phone line to operate.

I look forward to the fleshing out of the WFP. Hell, I might join and become active in the "movement" again if it looks like it's going to hold water as an organization.

I have followed with great interest the initial formation of the WFP. It's a vital step in the right direction, IMO.

During the early-mid 1990's, I was a state leader here in the midwest for the (at the time) largest faction of the KKK.

One of the best ways I found to get that all important initial contact was via a telephone hotline.

We secured a digital answering machine (no tape to rewind/wear out) a phone line and had 1,000 business cards made up with our contact information and the hotline number. The whole project cost around $100, if memory serves.

I and another Brother distributed the entire 1,000 cards over the course of a weekend. I still remember sitting and waiting for that first person to call in.

The response was nothing short of amazing. Within just a few days, we were getting over 100 calls a day. Within a few weeks, that number was 250 calls every single day. The hotline took on a life of it's own.

Somehow (I still wonder about this) the number made it's way across the entire country. We took calls from 37 states. The media got hold of it, did numerous print and television stories about the "hotline of hate".

The message played non-stop. People were calling in 24/7. We changed the message every week, and with caller I.D. (which was brand new technology back then) we confirmed that a great many of the callers were people who called in every week.

The caller I.D. also let us know that the local Police and Sherriff's Dept. called in each and every week, along with the local newspaper, television & radio station, etc.

I would guess that during the lifetime of that hotline (16 months) over 50,000 people heard a racialist message. After the initial purchase of the equipment and cards, the project cost less than $20 a month for the phone line to operate.

I look forward to the fleshing out of the WFP. Hell, I might join and become active in the "movement" again if it looks like it's going to hold water as an organization.

Excellent suggestion, Hibernian. The White Patriot Party had 28 of those telephone message machines, located in 5 states - each delivering a 2-minute message, changed weekly, and ending with our address and phone number.

Anyone can install and maintain one (or more), and as you say, very cheaply. It would be an effective way to advertise the White Freedom Party and VNN websites, as well.

However, it requires something very few WNs possess - INITIATIVE !!! Initiative, initiative, initiative. The kikes sure have INIATIVE. The muds do too. It's time for Whites to demonstrate INIATIVE, if there is to be hope for gaining our freedom from the jews, and saving our Race from extinction.

I have followed with great interest the initial formation of the WFP. It's a vital step in the right direction, IMO.

During the early-mid 1990's, I was a state leader here in the midwest for the (at the time) largest faction of the KKK.

One of the best ways I found to get that all important initial contact was via a telephone hotline.

We secured a digital answering machine (no tape to rewind/wear out) a phone line and had 1,000 business cards made up with our contact information and the hotline number. The whole project cost around $100, if memory serves.

I and another Brother distributed the entire 1,000 cards over the course of a weekend. I still remember sitting and waiting for that first person to call in.

The response was nothing short of amazing. Within just a few days, we were getting over 100 calls a day. Within a few weeks, that number was 250 calls every single day. The hotline took on a life of it's own.

Somehow (I still wonder about this) the number made it's way across the entire country. We took calls from 37 states. The media got hold of it, did numerous print and television stories about the "hotline of hate".

The message played non-stop. People were calling in 24/7. We changed the message every week, and with caller I.D. (which was brand new technology back then) we confirmed that a great many of the callers were people who called in every week.

The caller I.D. also let us know that the local Police and Sherriff's Dept. called in each and every week, along with the local newspaper, television & radio station, etc.

I would guess that during the lifetime of that hotline (16 months) over 50,000 people heard a racialist message. After the initial purchase of the equipment and cards, the project cost less than $20 a month for the phone line to operate.

I look forward to the fleshing out of the WFP. Hell, I might join and become active in the "movement" again if it looks like it's going to hold water as an organization.
Hibernian, welcome back to the active fold, I think the WFP could attract alot of former activists who dropped out due to frustration and belonging to inactive groups. As Glenn mentioned the recorded phone message is a good idea, we had one with the WPP and one with our local TV show Race & Reality, also our NA unit I couldn't tell how many calls we got but the calls were non-stop and actually burned up our machine. A little advertisement and presto the rest is word of mouth.
To what Glenn wrote, folks we do need alot more people showing some will and take the steps necessary to get things accomplished I have alot of hope with the WFP. Glenn is having a White Pride celebration in July to help kick things off you should come.

Hibernian, welcome back to the active fold, I think the WFP could attract alot of former activists who dropped out due to frustration and belonging to inactive groups. As Glenn mentioned the recorded phone message is a good idea, we had one with the WPP and one with our local TV show Race & Reality, also our NA unit I couldn't tell how many calls we got but the calls were non-stop and actually burned up our machine. A little advertisement and presto the rest is word of mouth.
To what Glenn wrote, folks we do need alot more people showing some will and take the steps necessary to get things accomplished I have alot of hope with the WFP. Glenn is having a White Pride celebration in July to help kick things off you should come.


Well put, that's it in a nutshell. We need dedicated and determined real-world activist who are willing to show the colors in the street, not just pay lip-service to racialism via the internet.

There is not a single organization out there today that can assemble just 100 members for a protest at any given time.

I'm not trying to offend anyone, but let's be brutally realistic...The post-Pierce NA is in ruins, and most likely won't survive. The KKK is dead in all but name. The Aryan Nations after Butler is finished. WCOTC, W.A.R., Militia movement, etc. are all mere shadows of what they once were. Billy Roper's White Revolution? Give me a break.

My point is that there are literally thousands of good, solid racialist out here just waiting for an organization to come along that is truly worthy of our support. We are waiting for true, inspired leadership.

I hope with all my heart that the WFP turns out to be that organization.

Glory days could be on the horizon!

A Party of Our Own

The majority of Americans are White.

The majority of White Americans do not support more immigration, especially non-White immigration, and they want our present immigration laws enforced. But still America is flooded by massive legal and illegal immigration.

The majority of White Americans do not believe in "Affirmative Action" and other programs that give education and employment to non-Whites at the expense of Whites. But such programs continue.

Why? Because neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are interested in protecting and advancing the interests of White Americans. Both parties instead cater to the ethnic special interests of Jews and non-Whites, forcing the White majority to foot the bill.

Democrats see a clear political advantage in such policies, since an overwhelming percentage of Jews and non-Whites vote for Democrats.

The Republicans, however, sacrifice White interests as a matter of sacred principle. The Republicans enjoy power only because of White voters, especially White male voters. But they bend over forwards and backwards to appeal to Jews and non-Whites who hardly ever vote for them anyway.

Not only do the major parties take the White majority for granted, they label Whites who object to their anti-White agenda and wish to protect White ethnic interests as "racists." Yet when Jews and non-Whites pursue their ethnic interests openly, we're told such pursuits are a blessing of "diversity," America's greatest strength (or so they say).

I am sure a substantial number of White people in the Republican Party are racially conscious to some extent. They occasionally even propose policies to advance White interests. But they feel they must cloak all such proposals in universalistic rhetoric.

Republicans oppose Affirmative Action not because it harms the interests of the White people who vote for them, but because of a rosy vision of an individualistic, "color-blind" meritocracy. And if they mention ethnic interests at all, it is only to lament how Affirmative Action leads people to discount the achievements of genuinely talented non-Whites.

Free-marketers defend freedom of association, but not because it would allow Whites to exclude non-Whites from their living and working spaces. Instead, they talk about the universal rights of all featherless bipeds. And when they mention ethnic interests at all, they argue that the market would work against racism, not for it.

It must be hard to fight for something that you are afraid to name, because all this clever, under-the-radar advocacy of White interests never really makes much headway. It does, however, keep racially conscious Whites voting for a party that continually betrays them. Maybe that's all it is ever meant to do.

It is absurd that in a democratic republic no political party will openly fight for the interests of the majority.

It is amazing that no ambitious political leader has stepped forward to represent the majority.

That's why it's time to form a White People's Party.

The sort of party I envision would have a single goal: to protect and advance the interests of Whites in today's multicultural, anti-White America.

The White People's Party would pursue White interests within the present multiparty political system and the framework of the US Constitution (including the constitutional procedures for amending it).

The White People's Party would represent the interests and pursue the support of all White people. It would set aside issues that divide Whites while seeking to unite us around the most important issue of all: our survival. Unless our survival as a race is assured, none of the issues that divide us matter anyway.

By "White people," we mean people of European descent. If there are any questions about particular individuals we could, as a rule of thumb, ask them to demonstrate their European ancestry for at least four generations back.

The White People's Party would not accept the membership or support of Jews and non-Whites. We would not work for their interests, and we could not expect them to sincerely work for ours.

Here are some concrete suggested platform points for a White People's Party:

1. Abolishing Affirmative Action and Racial Quotas: The WPP would end all racial quotas and preferences that give non-Whites educational and economic advantages at the expense of Whites.
2. Protecting Freedom of Association: The WPP would stand for absolute freedom of association and disassociation. It would therefore abolish all so-called "anti-discrimination" laws that force people to associate with people with whom they prefer not to associate and prevent them from forming exclusive voluntary associations. If Whites wish to live in all-White neighborhoods, patronize all-White businesses, and attend all-White churches and schools, they may do so.
3. Preserving the White Majority: America grew to greatness because of an overwhelmingly White majority. But if present demographic trends continue, Whites will be a minority in America in less than 50 years. The WPP would, therefore, halt and then reverse the erosion of the White majority.
4. Ending Non-White Immigration: The WPP would end non-White immigration completely, deport all illegal non-White immigrants, and then repatriate all non-White immigrants who have arrived since 1965. If it was possible to bring them here, it will be possible to send them back.
5. Pro-White Family Policies: The WPP would promote policies that encourage Whites to have larger families and make it possible to spend more time with their children. Conversely, the WPP would make sterilization, birth control, and abortion available to non-Whites free of charge.
6. Putting American Economic Interests First: The WPP would put the economic interests of American citizens before the interests of international capital and multinational corporations. To this end, the WPP would greatly reduce income and capital gains taxes and replace the lost revenue with tariffs on imported manufactured goods. This would spur economic activity while protecting American workers.
7. An America-First Foreign Policy: The WPP would adopt a foreign policy that puts American interests first. Never again would American soldiers die for the interests of foreign peoples and multinational corporations. Currently the United States has deployed troops in more than 100 countries around the world. We have more troops guarding the border between North and South Korea than we do guarding our own border with Mexico. The WPP would bring these troops home. The US would no longer play the role of the world's policeman. In particular, the US would no longer give aid to Israel, the greatest threat to world peace, but will instead adopt a neutral stance in the Middle East. To achieve a balance of military power, the US would sell arms to Israel's neighbors.
8. Ending Foreign Influences: To prevent foreign subversion of the American government, no American would be permitted to hold dual citizenship status. White Americans who hold dual citizenship status would need to renounce the citizenship of their choice. Furthermore, since Jews are the most destructive agents of foreign influence in America today, all Jews would be stripped of American citizenship and encouraged to immigrate to Israel. Finally, no foreign national would be allowed to work in or own industries that vitally affect the national interest, including politics, law, the military, medicine, the media, teaching, banking, investment, etc.
9. Cracking Down on Crime: Since non-Whites account for a disproportionate amount of violent crime and Jews account for a disproportionate amount of white-collar and vice-related crime, the WPP would mandate racial profiling as a tool for fighting crime. The WPP would also sterilize felons convicted of violent crimes.
10. Reforming the Welfare State: A decent society provides a safety net for the unemployed, the disabled, and the elderly. Since productive people fund such programs, however, they should be reformed so as not to overly burden the productive. The WPP would also abolish all programs designed simply to redistribute income for the purpose of forced equality. The WPP would, furthermore, disqualify people from voting while on public assistance.
11. Encouraging Self-Employment: Self-employed people are freer to speak their minds and be active citizens. Therefore, the WPP would adopt policies to increase the number of self-employed people.
12. Protecting Freedom of Speech: The WPP would protect freedom of speech and thought by abolishing all so-called "hate-crimes" laws, which seek to criminalize thought. The WPP would also break up mass media conglomerates that control and distort the free flow of information.
13. Reforming Education: The WPP would end all forced school integration, which retards the education of White children by putting less-intelligent non-Whites in their classes. The WPP would also end all race-based college admissions policies and adopt a strict meritocracy. Furthermore, the WPP would require that all colleges and universities that receive federal funds and have endowments sufficient to cover the cost of education to abolish tuition and admit students purely on the basis of merit. The best universities in the country should educate the brightest, not the richest and best-connected. Finally, the WPP would, out of considerations of national security and competitiveness, severely curtail the policy of educating foreign nationals in American universities.

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14. Ensuring Voter and Juror Quality: Stupid and ignorant voters lower the quality of public decision-making. Stupid and ignorant jurors cause miscarriages of justice. The WPP would, therefore, require that all prospective voters/jurors pass tests measuring their intelligence and education.
15. Gun Control: Whites are far more likely than non-Whites�particularly Blacks, Amerindians, and Mestizos�to use guns responsibly. Therefore, the WPP would ensure the freedom of Whites to own guns while restricting the freedom of non-Whites.

These are just suggestions, but they give some idea of the platform a White People's Party would have. This platform is not consistently conservative, liberal, or libertarian. But it is consistently pro-White. The White People's Party would be most accurately characterized as "populist," but it is not for "the people" in general, only White people.

A political party is not something to be proposed lightly. There are many more issues to be discussed: How would such a party be organized? What would its electoral strategy be? What about "ideology"? How would a White People's Party relate to other pro-White organizations? How would it handle political issues not directly relevant to White survival? And, of course, there are many questions that have not even occurred to me. (That's where you come in.)

I want to explore all these questions in future articles.

In my last article, I proposed the formation of a White People's Party to protect and advance the interests of Whites within the present political system. I also proposed some planks for a White People's Party platform.

I received many letters responding to my proposal. All were friendly, most were supportive, and a few were critical. I wish to respond to some of those criticisms here.
The Ideology Question

As I see it, a White People's Party should not be for liberalism, conservatism, socialism, capitalism, nationalism, libertarianism, environmentalism, or any other "ism." It should only be for the interests of White people, and none of these ideologies are consistently pro-White.

Some think that a pro-White political party requires more than a platform of concrete proposals. They think that it requires its own ideology, a statement of general philosophical principles, an abstract world-view.

I find this idea quite seductive, because I am very interested in political ideologies. But in the end, I think it would be a mistake to base a White People's Party on an abstract ideology. Instead, a White People's Party should merely propose concrete measures that serve White interests and show how all the other parties betray them.

There are several reasons for this.

First, none of the major parties has an official ideology, and a political party that tries to sell a whole ideology would be regarded with suspicion by most Americans, who would see it as somehow "foreign."

Second, it's far easier to get people to accept the simple idea of protecting White interests than to accept an entire raft of ideological tenets.

Third, more people can agree on a concrete platform than on an abstract world-view. Just consider the different ideologies represented in the pro-White movement today. What little co-operation there is would disappear if all White Nationalists first had to be neo-Confederates, or Odinists, or National Socialists.

Fourth, the opponents of a White People's Party would naturally prefer to steer political debate away from specific policies that affect the interests of White people. They would prefer to "refute" these policies by linking them in the public mind to unsavory personalities and ideas, and there is no reason to make their job easier.

Fifth, a White People's Party whose only fixed principle is "to defend White interests in today's America" could serve as a "Big Tent" for all manner of pro-White individuals and organizations. Currently, the pro-White movement consists of numerous groups and organizations espousing sharply contrasting ideological tenets. A White People's Party that does not address deeper ideological or philosophical questions, but instead offers a concrete pro-White platform, would not seek to challenge or replace currently existing pro-White organizations, but it could provide a common ground for cooperative effort.
The Utopianism Question

Some of my critics seem to be utopians. Now, I find utopias seductive, particularly those of my critics. Utopias are seductive precisely because they are so different from present day reality. But they are problematic for the very same reason: it is hard to get there from here.

One of my critics, for instance, was dismayed that my suggested platform contained nothing about sending all non-Whites somewhere else. Another said that a political party was undesirable, because the whole democratic system is undesirable and should be replaced with some sort of aristocracy.

But in today's world, these proposals are political non-starters, and if you are not willing to start with anything less, then there is no point to starting political activity at all. The only thing one can do is day-dream about scenarios of economic collapse, race war, and violent revolution, for perhaps then such proposals would have a chance.

But I would like to do something in the meantime.

I think it is helpful to have a utopian vision of an ideal society. It can serve as a lodestar for navigating the stormy seas of politics. But when one decides not to sail by one's lodestar, but instead to sail to it, then it becomes worse than useless; it becomes a danger and a distraction.

Human beings have very little power to control events. Thus I do not view political activity as utopia-building. Instead, its aim is to take steps, in the here and now, to stop the social trends that, in time, will destroy the White race and to set in motion new trends that will preserve it.

There is no way of predicting what form society will take after such policies are allowed to work for a couple of generations. But I am certain that measures that seem utopian today may well seem politically possible and desirable after fifty years of pro-White policies.

The important thing is to begin now, while there is still a White majority and while we still have the freedom to speak and organize. Groups calling for an overthrow of the Constitution have always been subject to government infiltration and persecution, and in the age of the PATRIOT Act, things will only get worse.

Thus it is imperative for Whites to pursue their collective interests within the present political system and constitutional framework. (Fortunately, the Constitution contains provisions for its amendment.) As long as the First Amendment still has weight in the legal system, we must do everything we can within the law to advance our interests.

Revolutionary measures are legitimate only when a system prohibits peaceful change.

The Jewish Question

My platform was criticized for being impractical and utopian for explicitly excluding Jews from the party and for advocating their removal from the United States. I hesitated some time over these proposals. But in the end, I decided that they are among the most fundamental practical proposals in the whole platform, fundamental because if these planks were removed, the whole party would be pointless.

The idea of admitting Jews to a party fighting against their interests is preposterous. Not that they wouldn't join. Indeed, they would join in large numbers if allowed. They would donate large sums of money. They would use their skills as persuaders, schemers, and swindlers to make themselves indispensable. They would rise rapidly to leadership positions. Then they would sabotage the whole thing. Any organization that does not explicitly exclude Jews will end up being dominated and subverted by them. No sense letting them put their noses under the tent.

That is why Jews have to leave America. They dominate the leading institutions of our culture: the political parties, the news and entertainment media, the arts, the education system, banking and finance. And they subvert these institutions to pursue Jewish interests at the expense of White interests. They are not the sole cause of America's problems, but they are a major cause, and there is no way to save this country without first taking them on.

I am not accusing Jews of "dual loyalties." There is no such thing. Whenever the allegedly dual objects of loyalty conflict, one wins out in the end. Whenever Jewish and American interests conflict, Jews invariably choose Jewish interests, and White Americans are left paying the bill, often with their lives.

Jews don't have dual loyalties, but they do have (officially or unofficially) "dual citizenships," and they take full advantage of them to exploit their host countries for Jewish advantage. Now that Jews have their own state, it is time to end the charade that they can be loyal citizens of anything other than the Jewish collective. I would be the biggest Zionist in the world if Jews would actually go to Israel. But they won't go as long as they can exploit dual citizenship status. A White People's Party would end that status and send them slouching towards Bethlehem.

[snip]

"You can't win."

In the long run, we'll have to win. But in the short run, yes, a White People's Party will suffer many electoral defeats. It is, however, a mistake to measure the success of a political party solely in terms of victories at the polls. A White People's Party can do a great deal of good even if it never wins an election.

First of all, a White People's Party will educate the public about how the system caters to Jews and non-Whites at the expense of the White majority.

Second, a White People's party, by standing frankly and unapologetically for White interests, will encourage and embolden White resistance to the multicultural society.

Third, to sustain itself through many electoral defeats, a White People's Party would have to become the nucleus for a new pro-White community. I caught a glimpse of such a community in September of 2001, when a generous friend made it possible for me to go to Paris to attend the F�te des Bleu-Blanc-Rouge, the annual rally of Jean-Marie Le Pen's Front National. There I saw thousands of French people of all ages, regions, classes, and walks of life drawn together to celebrate and defend who they are. Such community-building activities are valuable even if a party never wins an election.

Fourth, a White People's Party may not win an election, but it can cause the Republicans to lose them. In a close race, if a White People's Party were to poll only one or two percent of the vote, it could defeat the Republicans. If the White People's Party were simultaneously to field candidates in close congressional districts across the nation, it could decimate the Republicans' congressional delegation. This would force the Republicans to cater to White voters in the next election cycle. If the Republicans fail to do so, the White People's Party will continue to grow, eventually to the point where it can win elections outright. Either way, Whites will benefit.

I would like to reflect more on election strategies in a future article. In brief, I think that a White People's Party should begin by focusing on effecting change on the local and state level, trying to bypass the national government as much as possible. It seems to me, for instance, far more likely that a White People's Party could amend the Constitution through the state legislatures than through Congress.

"You can't avoid divisiveness."

I think that a White People's Party should adopt the strategy of shelving all political issues that divide Whites to pursue the most important issue of all: our survival.

But if party members are elected, they will be called upon to vote on many issues where Whites are divided. Would a White People's Party simply abstain from most political debates? Surely the voters would quickly find that intolerable. But the party could not allow its representative simply to vote their consciences either. It would have to take stands on divisive questions. Do we support limited government or pro-White social services? Do we support the environment if doing so conflicts with White workers' interests?

I think that this is an excellent objection, and I am not sure how to answer it. As I see it, the goal of a White People's party is not to answer or obviate all the political questions that divide Whites. Instead, it is to create a society in which all the political controversies that divide us remain live issues. It is just that the debates will be between Whites about what is in the best interest of Whites. If we could just bring that to pass, it would be progress enough for me.

"You'll be smeared as Nazis or Klansmen."

The party I propose would not be affiliated with any other pro-White group, including National Socialist and Klan groups. We would neither endorse nor condemn such groups, and we would gladly accept their support, as we would gladly accept the support of all pro-White individuals and organizations.

It is hard enough to persuade people that the White race is in danger and that Whites must rally to protect themselves. It would be harder still to combat more than a century of lies about the Civil War and Reconstruction, and more than half a century of lies about the Third Reich and World War II. Fortunately, it is not necessary.

But we'll still be smeared as Nazis and Klansmen. Our enemies will call us every name in the book. But, unlike conservative and libertarian cowards, we'll make no special effort to avoid or refute such smears. Such efforts are pointless, because our enemies will not be concerned with justice or accuracy. Besides, those who hesitate to defend ideas merely because they are shared by unfashionable individuals clearly lack courage and conviction.

Our standard response to all attempts to discredit us in the public mind by linking us to Nazis, the KKK, and other demonized groups would be: "To the extent that Nazis and Klansmen support our pro-White agenda, that is to their credit." We will never apologize for pursuing what is right and good.

"You'll be smeared as racists."

Of course we will. We are racists. But we do not regard this as a smear, but as a badge of honor. Race is real. Different races are genetically capable of different ways of life, just as different breeds of dog are genetically capable of different ways of life. American civilization cannot be maintained by replacing Whites with non-Whites anymore than poodles can replace sheepdogs and Chihuahuas can replace sled dogs. Racism is an objective and enlightened viewpoint, and we will not apologize for it.
"You'll be smeared as White Supremacists."

Again, this is no smear, but a badge of honor. America ruled by and for Whites was a great nation. America ruled by and for Jews and non-Whites is a nation in decline. A White People's Party will restore American greatness by restoring, perfecting, and perpetuating White supremacy.
"But what about the non-Whites?"

I was genuinely surprised to receive this question. In my eyes, there is no honor and no credit in concerning oneself with the interests of other races. They can look out for themselves. The White People's Party is not interested in non-Whites and Jews. They have the Democratic party, the Republican party, the Libertarian party, the Reform party, and every other institution in our society looking out for their interests. We are interested only in looking out for White people. That's the whole point.

You see folks, this is a rising tide. The platform is pretty well fleshed out already. What is needed is not so much theorizing as ORGANIZING.

"Uniting and organizing, while EXPOSING THE JEWS to the masses at the same time." And like you say A.E., it is high time.

Super excellent article by Mike Polignano. Lots of insights and good recommendations. Though, he failed therein to offer a solution to the jews, saying only that they should not be allowed to remain in America.

He also says The Party should not be nationalist, nor should it have an idealogy initially. Interesting. Alex will make those decisions for the WFP, however.

Polignano is correct in my opinion when he says our political activities should focus on the main issues, and to be neutral on issues that may tend to divide White people (Christianity is one example of the latter).

Thanks T.C. Lynch for providing us that excellent Polignano article. Hope you'll post more of his "stuff" here in future. He's a young fellow and a friend of David Duke, but a brilliant writer and super jew-wise. Perhaps, we can intice him to join the WFP's top "cadre".

It is amazing that no ambitious political leader has stepped forward to represent the (White) majority.
Not really. The smartest realize that if they don’t follow the Jew's PC script, they’ll be slaughtered by the Jew's media................and so shall we.

Unless we do something about it.

Please allow me to offer as a suggestion, my one-note song.

It is imperative that we discredit the media/TV at every turn.

IMHO.......

The Aryan Alternative must implement a systematic expose’ and sustained attack of the media’s credibility. And we must offer “An Alternative”.........And that should be the bold directing of new comers into the VNN website and other pro-WN websites. If we get them to walk away from the TV, we must give them something to walk toward.

The lemmings are having a “love-affair” with the TV. But the TV does not love them. The TV hates them and cheats on them. We must crystallize this truth in the mind of the White lemming.

We all know that the TV is a king-maker. We all have watched as the TV savaged all of the politicos who have lost their campaigns. It’s all about the TV. Until we “flesh-out” our TV-strategy and attack plans to the best of our ability, we will have a political-campaign-Achilles'-heal the size of our entire body.

If we take the TV lightly....................we are doomed to look like asses in front of the overwhelming majority of White lemmings. We should take the TV head-on and make no bones about it. It is a huge target. Keep it simple so the average 75 IQer can wrap his mind around it. Tie it to emotional issues. For ex. “Their children are being raped and killed by TV inspired criminals and they need not buy a Bible from us to be part of our party.”

We can easily make the case, that each individual societal woe has it’s genesis from the TV. Did 50% of the American people wake-up one morning and believe abortion was OK? No, the TV put these thoughts into their minds.

I see the TV as the Titanic and we are that iceberg.

Linder is fantastic at making cases like this. And he should write more about it so that we can share it with others.

Let’s fuck the TV...........it’s been fucking us long enough.

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The points made by TKR are very good and indicate the direction the Party must go.
But they are not enough of course.
While we do have the romantic Ideal that people will stand up and fight for their freedom if they see it is threatend,or will rebel if the world they live in becomes more and more alien due to uncontrolled immigration,this is not true.
All this things did and continues to take place in Germany over the last decades,but nothing really "revolutionary" happened.The "rebellion" took place when it was apparent to the German Working Class that the system could no longer guarantee their material status and welfare.Then and only then did the German Working Class look for alternatives.
The NPD in Saxony took about 10% of the vote and the PDS(the communists) about 20% of the vote.
Thus it is of the outmost importance that a "neonazi" Party takes a clear Socialist standpoint.And it was this kind of socialist Propaganda that got us the votes.On varius NPD-posters you could read phrases like: "Welfare cuts? Not with us!" ,or "German jobs for Germans only!" ,or the very successfull : "No export of German jobs!".

If we subdivide the American society into the: 1.rich obnoxius WASP's 2.ignorant and very scared and unsecure American middle class and 3.the Working Class,it is the latter which is the driving force of revolution.
But the White Working Class man will not fight and die for you,if after the "takeover" he again will be nothing but mere "white trash" in a society again led by 1.obnoxius WASP's and 2.ignorant American middle Class.
And this is the point.You are depended on the White Working Class man because he will be the main voter,supporter,fighter e.t.c. of your Movement.You must appeal to him with your Socialist Propaganda and promise him a New World Order where he will be the centre of the American society.
I will quote one of the leading functioneries of the MLPD (Marxist Leninist Party of Germany) : "The NPD in Stralsund is,as one can look up in the Internet,more Socialist then the PDS, more Nation-oriented then the CDU and more Ecological then the Greens.This kind of Demagogy is the absolete hammer!"
And hereby i appeal to all the hardcore Neonazis there in the US.Help and support the WFP voluntary.You dont need to become a member of the Party.Help them on the Demonstrations and in their electoral campains,voluntary.
This is the kind of cooperation is taking place here in Germany.The hardcore Neonazis are not members of the NPD since it is too moderate,but they voluntary assist and help the Party on every election that takes place.

"Uniting and organizing, while EXPOSING THE JEWS to the masses at the same time." And like you say A.E., it is high time.

Super excellent article by Mike Polignano. Lots of insights and good recommendations. Though, he failed therein to offer a solution to the jews, saying only that they should not be allowed to remain in America.

He also says The Party should not be nationalist, nor should it have an idealogy initially. Interesting. Alex will make those decisions for the WFP, however.

Polignano is correct in my opinion when he says our political activities should focus on the main issues, and to be neutral on issues that may tend to divide White people (Christianity is one example of the latter).


Excellent point. The WFP should (my opinion only) steer quite clear of the divisive landmines of religion, class distinctions, regionalism (Confederate vs. Yankee, Irish vs. English etc.), overt National Socialist symbolism, et al.

The inertia of the past 60 years or so has been due in large part to our folk constantly bickering over such petty issues and a thousand others while our very bloodline is being destroyed.

Not really. The smartest realize that if they don’t follow the Jew's PC script, they’ll be slaughtered by the Jew's media................and so shall we.

Unless we do something about it.

Please allow me to offer as a suggestion, my one-note song.

It is imperative that we discredit the media/TV at every turn.

IMHO.......

The Aryan Alternative must implement a systematic expose’ and sustained attack of the media’s credibility. And we must offer “An Alternative”.........And that should be the bold directing of new comers into the VNN website and other pro-WN websites. If we get them to walk away from the TV, we must give them something to walk toward.

The lemmings are having a “love-affair” with the TV. But the TV does not love them. The TV hates them and cheats on them. We must crystallize this truth in the mind of the White lemming.

We all know that the TV is a king-maker. We all have watched as the TV savaged all of the politicos who have lost their campaigns. It’s all about the TV. Until we “flesh-out” our TV-strategy and attack plans to the best of our ability, we will have a political-campaign-Achilles'-heal the size of our entire body.

If we take the TV lightly....................we are doomed to look like asses in front of the overwhelming majority of White lemmings. We should take the TV head-on and make no bones about it. It is a huge target. Keep it simple so the average 75 IQer can wrap his mind around it. Tie it to emotional issues. For ex. “Their children are being raped and killed by TV inspired criminals and they need not buy a Bible from us to be part of our party.”

We can easily make the case, that each individual societal woe has it’s genesis from the TV. Did 50% of the American people wake-up one morning and believe abortion was OK? No, the TV put these thoughts into their minds.

I see the TV as the Titanic and we are that iceberg.

Linder is fantastic at making cases like this. And he should write more about it so that we can share it with others.

Let’s fuck the TV...........it’s been fucking us long enough.

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I think Nixon and Billy Graham illustrated the power of the jews' media best of all.

Graham: "Unless the jewish stranglehold on the media is broken, this country is going down the drain."

Nixon: "Oh yes I know, but we must never let the jews know we know". (or words to that effect)

In other words, the commander in chief of the most powerful nation on earth, and the most powerful and influential protestant leader, both admit the jews are "dragging American down the drain", but both admitting they are too terrified of the jews to even inform the American people or the U.S. Congress.

If Nixon and Graham are too terrified of the jews, to tell the truth about them, there should be no wonder why lesser politicians are too terrified, as well.

Brutus, you are absolutely correct. I turned off the tv before I ever consciously knew what it was doing to us, many years ago. There was an inherent danger in something that force feeds, that chooses what you see and hear. The 75 or 100 IQ'ers depend on it, for Oprah, for sports, for "news," for history. For all the discussion on tv, nothing ever gets better, and so that is the point that I assume Alex will make. The only way to get change is to turn off the propaganda and begin to think. There is no salvation in the dems, the repubs, or any of the rest of the "mainstream." They have sold us down the river, never to make amends.

RE: Rounder

I think Nixon and Billy Graham illustrated the power of the jews' media best of all.

Graham: "Unless the jewish stranglehold on the media is broken, this country is going down the drain."

Nixon: "Oh yes I know, but we must never let the jews know we know". (or words to that effect)
These bright men knew the truth.

But what they didn’t have was an "uncensored Internet" at their disposal.

We must apply more emphasis on the importance and timeliness of this tremendous opening. It will allow us to strike at the heart of the jew’s strength..............the TV.

(For the benefit of the newcomers, I will simply re-state our strategy.)
We use The Aryan Alternative tabloid to plant the seeds and direct our lost White Brothers and Sisters to this great website, where they will receive a wellspring of truth. This is the one-two punch we need to knockout the jew.

The stars have aligned to give us this unique opportunity to vanquish our enemy.

Like a gift from the Gods, we must not hesitate to use this powerful weapon to slay the evil jew homunculus.

Nixon and Graham; had they been in our shoes today with the “TV nullifying Internet possibility“............Can we speculate about what they would have done?

There must be more dialogue along these lines.

I believe that this is the key.

RE: Rounder


These bright men knew the truth.

But what they didn’t have was an "uncensored Internet" at their disposal.

We must apply more emphasis on the importance and timeliness of this tremendous opening. It will allow us to strike at the heart of the jew’s strength..............the TV.

(For the benefit of the newcomers, I will simply re-state our strategy.)
We use The Aryan Alternative tabloid to plant the seeds and direct our lost White Brothers and Sisters to this great website, where they will receive a wellspring of truth. This is the one-two punch we need to knockout the jew.

The stars have aligned to give us this unique opportunity to vanquish our enemy.

Like a gift from the Gods, we must not hesitate to use this powerful weapon to slay the evil jew homunculus.

Nixon and Graham; had they been in our shoes today with the “TV nullifying Internet possibility“............Can we speculate about what they would have done?

There must be more dialogue along these lines.

I believe that this is the key.

My feelings exactly, brutus. Bring the lemmings to VNN's main page where they'll obtain persuasive truths about the jews. I insert a typed list of my favorite 10 websites under the heading: "Websites for White People", inside every tabloid I distribute, with govnn.com at the top of the list. Curiosity alone, will intice many to loggon. And judging from the Alexa ratings, govnn.com is being logged onto by a hell of alot of folks. It's even ahead of nationalvanguard.org, run by NA, one of the best out there. And far ahead of DavidDuke.com.

Alex and his team of young writers are doing their jobs well. Therefore, we owe it to them and to our Race to order and distribute as many VNN tabloids as possible. And especially to SPITE the GD subversive kike-likes on this forum who predictably scream constantly, "but it's not doing any good". You'll see that the more we do, the louder they'll belly-ache.

......Alex and his team of young writers are doing their jobs well. Therefore, we owe it to them and to our Race to order and distribute as many VNN tabloids as possible. And especially to SPITE the GD subversive kike-likes on this forum who predictably scream constantly, "but it's not doing any good". You'll see that the more we do, the louder they'll belly-ache.

And Mr Miller the distribution network for TAA will be a fertile ground for selection and recruitment of future WFP activists will it not? People who have shown that they have some moxy and willingness to take reasonable risks and get things done in the real world and not just yap on the internet.

People can mock beginnings all they like. It all has to start somehere!

PRESS RELEASE

Introducing the White Freedom Party...America's first political party

- advocating Aryan interests
What are Aryan interests?

and specifically

- naming the jew as the agent of White genocide and greatest obstacle to our people's self-preservation as a distinct and protected race.
Please give your examples of the genocide of the white race.

On those two principles, the WHITE FREEDOM PARTY makes its stand.

We aren't here to get granny more pills. We aren't here to force you at gunpoint to give us your money to plant colonies of colored criminals in Section 8 housing next door. We aren't here to bootlick jews inventing lies about Weapons of Mass Destruction so they can send your boy overseas to die for Israel.

You can get all that from the Republicrats, the Party that hates White men...


VOTE White Freedom Party, because...

- we put your White interests FIRST - and nothing second

- we will bring troops HOME FROM IRAQ - immediately

- we will END the Mexican invasion

- we will PROTECT your free speech

- we will FIGHT the gun-deniers

- we will RESCIND so-called civil rights laws preventing you from protecting your families and communities against colored criminals sicced on you by the same people trying to tape your mouth and take your gun

- we will WAGE NONSTOP WAR on the jews, coloreds, and mainstream sellouts forcing you to subsidize all of the above horrors{/QUOTE]

What legislation will you introduce in support of your platform?

In summation, we will allow you and yours to live as free, independent, and dignified adults in a nation controlled by civilized men who look and think and act like members of your own family...because they are.
Do you mean you would ban all non-whites from holding elective office? How would you accomplish this?

Your choice is SIMPLE.[
Not so.

If you're tired of being a THIRD-CLASS CITIZEN in the land YOUR PEOPLE CREATED, there's only one group representing your interests:

The WHITE FREEDOM PARTY.

Join today!

And help us make a better world for Aryankind.
You'd better start getting signatures to get on the ballot ASAP.

Keystone, what are you here for? When you ask such questions you do more than show your ignorance, you demonstrate that you are in opposition to everything this forum represents. You show either that you are irredeemably stupid and NEVER grasped any of the source material here or that you are completely deceptive and dissembling by posing such kikelike rhetorical queries. I think you are both stupid and deceptive in attempting to come back here and take up the same damned game. you must truly have comtempt for Whites and for VNN Forum members.


Again, what do you want?What are Aryan interests?


Please give your examples of the genocide of the white race.


What legislation will you introduce in support of your platform?


Do you mean you would ban all non-whites from holding elective office? How would you accomplish this?


Not so.


You'd better start getting signatures to get on the ballot ASAP.

Keystone, what are you here for? When you ask such questions you do more than show your ignorance, you demonstrate that you are in opposition to everything this forum represents. You show either that you are irredeemably stupid and NEVER grasped any of the source material here or that you are completele deceptive and dissembling by posing such kikelike rhetorical queries. I think you are both stupid and deceptive in attempting to come back here and take up the same damned game. you must truly have comtempt for Whites and for VNN Forum members.


Again, what do you want?
I'm simply asking what the press would ask any candidate. If the WFP isn't ready for me, God help them running a real campaign.

Ahhh... You are a beneficial troll. Your anti-VNN polemics, and your anti-White/pro-jewish/nigger-loving opinions are really meant to toughen us up and make us better racists. Bless you, oh sainted one, I begin to see the light!



I'm simply asking what the press would ask any candidate. If the WFP isn't ready for me, God help them running a real campaign.

Momus, loyal productive VNN'ers won't have to tolerate confessed nigger-lovers, and other anti-VNN'ers much longer. Alex is moving rapidly into high gear towards active projects, and therefore will tailor VNNF to further those projects to the max.

Remember what Santa says ? "I'm making a list, and checking it twice. I'm gonna find out who's naughty or nice. So VNN'ers can come to your town".

Oh, glory days ahead for us good guys.

Ahhh... You are a beneficial troll. Your anti-VNN polemics, and your anti-White/pro-jewish/nigger-loving opinions are really meant to toughen us up and make us better racists. Bless you, oh sainted one, I begin to see the light!
It's called "devil's advocate" MOMUS. The majority of the press covering national elections aren't racialists.

"Devil's advocate", huh? Is that what it's called? So, you're just another White racist here at VNN but you're playing "Jew's advocate" to keep the rest of us alert, right? In a pig's ass.
Keep trolling, punk.

It's called "devil's advocate" MOMUS. The majority of the press covering national elections aren't racialists.

Originally Posted by MOMUS
Ahhh... You are a beneficial troll. Your anti-VNN polemics, and your anti-White/pro-jewish/nigger-loving opinions are really meant to toughen us up and make us better racists. Bless you, oh sainted one, I begin to see the light!

Hi all,
new guy here. Does anyone know how far along the WFP is in its creation? Is there a way to join yet?

I'd also like to suggest the use of McDermott's declaration of white independence as a party manifesto.

Hi all,
new guy here. Does anyone know how far along the WFP is in its creation? Is there a way to join yet?

I'd also like to suggest the use of McDermott's declaration of white independence as a party manifesto.

Lots of "ironing out" yet to do, BritanniaArms. We already have full members, but they are select. Alex will announce details soon about rank-and-file membership.

I'm with you on Kyle McDermott's brilliant, and well written Declaration of White Independence. (VNN'ers who haven't read it yet, it's on main page - right side of screen)

Sorry. I forgot. Welcome to VNN !!!

Thanks. It's good to see a party forming with a media base/propaganda outlet to feed growth.

It will take a lot of committment, but I'll feel one hell of a lot better voting explicitly for white survival on my ballot, and I'm sure I'm not alone.

The WFP also has a lot of potential to serve as a WN umbrella organization given its national party status. I'm looking forward to joining.

Thanks. It's good to see a party forming with a media base/propaganda outlet to feed growth.

It will take a lot of committment, but I'll feel one hell of a lot better voting explicitly for white survival on my ballot, and I'm sure I'm not alone.

The WFP also has a lot of potential to serve as a WN umbrella organization given its national party status. I'm looking forward to joining.

WFP Director Alex Linder and other WFP members will be delighted to hear that. Stay tuned.

BTW, Alex will appear as a guest for 90 minutes on The Peter Shaenk radio talk show, tomorrow nite beginning at 7:30 CST (www.rbnlive.com (http://www.rbnlive.com)). Hope you can find time to listen in and hear what he has to say about the WFP and other VNN related topics.

The British National Party is standing around 120 candidates in the National General Election May 5, 2005. I would urge those involved in the White Freedom Party to observe the jewsmedia at work, and the crap that will be thrown at the BNP....it will truly be instructive to all.

VNN British Forum will be having a dedicated thread for all the Jewsmedia reports on the British National Party campaign.

I wish the White Freedom Party every success.

Good luck Britishers