I think it would be a good idea if a separate thread was made for the flag ideas for the WFP. The main WFP is filling up very fast and is going to become very hard to nevigate in when its full of posts concerning different things.

So lets make things a bit easier and post all of the flag posts in this thread. Mods, feel free to delete this thread if it was a bad idea.

The ideal Party flag will be as powerful, simple, and unique as the Swastika - something school boys will sketch on their notebooks when bored in classrooms.

This is the flag Alex described, I think.
http://sprandel.net/ftp/wfp_flag.gif

This is the flag Alex described, I think.
http://sprandel.net/ftp/wfp_flag.gif

I like this one better than the one I created earlier, but I think that Alex specifically asked that the stars be offset the way they are in the Orion constellation.

Beowulf,

My first choice is the most recent sword-helix flag (the one with the simplified sword): I think that flag kicks ass!

But, the flag with just the helix is also excellent: I would certainly be happy with it if that was the consensus (especially once the blue strand of the helix is changed to match the blue already in the upper and lower blue stripes and the red strand of the helix is changed to match the red already in the upper and lower red stripes).

Beowulf, what do you (and others) think?

I am not sure yet, I want to see some more designs. Also, I agree with Rounder that the party should have a symbol simple enough that it could be doodled.

Three horizontal bars: red, blue, and red. (Optional: A thin white band between the blue center bar and each of the two reds.)

In the center of the blue bar, a single white star.

Very simple and elegant, I think.



I like this one better than the one I created earlier, but I think that Alex specifically asked that the stars be offset the way they are in the Orion constellation.

Three horizontal bars: red, blue, and red. (Optional: A thin white band between the blue center bar and each of the two reds.)

In the center of the blue bar, a single white star.

Very simple and elegant, I think.

Something like this?

That was fast! I tried to mock it up but I suck at photoshop.

Your graphic is close to my idea. I imagined the stripes going horizontal. A slight enhancement has two very thin white bands between these horizontal stripes.

Something like this?

That was fast! I tried to mock it up but I suck at photoshop.

Your graphic is close to my idea. I imagined the stripes going horizontal. A slight enhancement has two very thin white bands between these horizontal stripes.

Never was into graphics, but I finally got what I want:

Another version, without white bands, makes it slightly less Confederate-looking.

Proportions are not set in stone, center blue strip could be increased to up to 50% of height...

Never was into graphics, but I finally got what I want:

What do you guys think of this symbol? I believe it is called a Fret. It comes from Medieval Coat of Arms. Its original meaning is probably long forgotten so we could adopt it. It is shown here with the red/blue scheme we have been using with the DNA but could of course be shown as any color, also with its intertwined components it could be thought of as an abstracted double helix.

White sun shining. The sun is a great metaphor
Maybe the japs would be flattered and become big campaign contributors (no joke)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/jaynareynolds/brutusflag.jpg

I am the person who wrote the original Gadsden flag suggestion, but I was away from home and the computer I was using for some reason could not post to the forum, so I mailed it to Alex and he posted it. Thanks Alex.

I have been looking at some of the other suggestions and I still prefer the Gadsden one, for the following reasons.

The DNA-sword idea has four problems. First, to the casual observer, it looks like the Caduceus, the wand of Mercury, the symbol of the medical profession. Second, I suspect that a very high percentage of Americans do not even know what DNA is supposed to look like. Third, every living thing has DNA, so there is nothing specifically White about the symbol. Fourth, even those who do recognize the DNA strand would still need the flag explained to them, and that is not a good thing. The meaning of the Gadsden flag, by contrast, is much more apparent to average people. It says that we Whites are not going to be screwed anymore. It is an explicit message of defiance. (That is why I don't like the flag designs that remove the slogan. The slogan is a large part of the beauty of it!)

As for the flag with the three stars: What does it mean? It does not communicate as clear a message of defiance as the Gadsden flag.

Respectfully submitted for your discussion.

White sun shining. The sun is a great metaphor
Maybe the japs would be flattered and become big campaign contributors (no joke)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/jaynareynolds/brutusflag.jpg

I really like this flag, I don't what people will make of the japanese connection though. The bright white sun shining in a clear blue sky. Very nice. I think I would like it better without the lettering though.

I am the person who wrote the original Gadsden flag suggestion, but I was away from home and the computer I was using for some reason could not post to the forum, so I mailed it to Alex and he posted it. Thanks Alex.

I have been looking at some of the other suggestions and I still prefer the Gadsden one, for the following reasons.

The DNA-sword idea has four problems. First, to the casual observer, it looks like the Caduceus, the wand of Mercury, the symbol of the medical profession. Second, I suspect that a very high percentage of Americans do not even know what DNA is supposed to look like. Third, every living thing has DNA, so there is nothing specifically White about the symbol. Fourth, even those who do recognize the DNA strand would still need the flag explained to them, and that is not a good thing. The meaning of the Gadsden flag, by contrast, is much more apparent to average people. It says that we Whites are not going to be screwed anymore. It is an explicit message of defiance. (That is why I don't like the flag designs that remove the slogan. The slogan is a large part of the beauty of it!)

As for the flag with the three stars: What does it mean? It does not communicate as clear a message of defiance as the Gadsden flag.

Respectfully submitted for your discussion.


I still really like your idea and I agree %100 that any Gadsen design must have the slogan.

Here is a simple Gadsen design, just a white snake on a blue background with the motto.

P.S.

I just wanted to add some text to support this flag.

I believe that this flag communicates just the right message. First of all, the White Freedom Party is an American political party, not a international pan-Aryan organization. This flag is distinctly American and historical. This flag is patriotic, we sure don't want to use any flag that our target demographic might consider un-American or foreign. The flag is defiant, it captures the mood of our party and sympathizers. This flag is different enough from the original Gadsen that we can truly make it ours. The changes also improve the overall quality of flag. 1. Yellow the color of cowardice changed to blue the color of loyalty. 2. The white rattlesnake is an obvious symbol of the White race in America. 3. The Fokkeresqe pile of poo has been removed.

I like this one better than the one I created earlier, but I think that Alex specifically asked that the stars be offset the way they are in the Orion constellation.

HEY I like that one. Who the hell thought that up? Alex? Those stars are offset like Orion-- Orion THE HUNTER. lol

What do you guys think of this symbol? I believe it is called a Fret. It comes from Medieval Coat of Arms. Its original meaning is probably long forgotten so we could adopt it. It is shown here with the red/blue scheme we have been using with the DNA but could of course be shown as any color, also with its intertwined components it could be thought of as an abstracted double helix.

all celtic knot type designs tend to reflect one of two or both fundamental ideas: 1) solar themes -- this one looks like a celtic cross, sunwheel, etc--
or 2) eternity/wheel of life: like the jorumngand serpent eating his tail (there's a term for that symbol too which I forget) which also suggests creation-destruction, and fertility.

Too much going on there for a simple political banner

This is the flag Alex described, I think.
http://sprandel.net/ftp/wfp_flag.gif

that is GRRRRRRRRRRRRRREAT!

This is the flag Alex described, I think.
http://sprandel.net/ftp/wfp_flag.gif

The red field represents the red blood of our ancestors and the Aryankind genes we share; our latent heritage. The White field, above, represents our overt common bond, our fair skin, and the purity of our intentions in joining together. The White field is higher than the red, because it implies a decision to be together, a common bond of election, that is volitional and thus not latent like our blood red heritage. It also represents a second birth into a fraternity and a decisive choice to stand out from our commonality and our intent and struggle to become, Arya.

The stars represent the progress of the ordered Cosmos, and our progression from the primordial sludge to humanness-- and the blue star represents the future and the The Overmen which we seek to become.

HEY I like that one. Who the hell thought that up? Alex? Those stars are offset like Orion-- Orion THE HUNTER. lol

Of course ORION is also an acronynm.

Our
Race
Is
Our
Nation

Of course ORION is also an acronynm.

Our
Race
Is
Our
Nation

LOL I forgot that! Nice reminder. And our skin is our uniform.

What DON'T you want?

Anything at all with stars. Far too close to any number of South American flags. Worse still, one of the suggestions posted was a dead ringer for the Communist Chinese flag!

Stars 'n' Bars or anything that looks like it. Don't want to look like redneck morons.

Don't use a red/blue combination. Nauseating. Check a colour wheel.

No design in which white predominates. Flacid and uninspiring.

White/blue bar combinations, no way. That's the Israeli colour scheme.

As to suggestions ...

The DNA double-helix with a sword struck through top-to-bottom is very good. Its sharp, noticeable and has good associations. Really, all that needs to be worked on there is the colour scheme and setting.

What do you guys think of this symbol? I believe it is called a Fret. It comes from Medieval Coat of Arms. Its original meaning is probably long forgotten so we could adopt it. It is shown here with the red/blue scheme we have been using with the DNA but could of course be shown as any color, also with its intertwined components it could be thought of as an abstracted double helix.

I think you might be on the right tract with that one, Beowulf. Perhaps a White "fret" inside a Black disc, on a baby blue background. And cut off a little bit of the "fret" ends, so they don't stick out so far.

Besides, "fret" describes the state of my nervous system for the past 31 years, compliments of the GD kikes. (har har).

All the flag ideas are quite creative and good, it will be great to see even more, along with a text explaining the meaning. All of you are very talented, I lean a little to the Culpepper Minuteman Gadsden flag changing the title over the snake from Culpepper Minutemen to White Freedom Party, but I can live with whatever is chosen, and judging by what is being put out there for ideas it will be good.

I find Alex's idea for the flag most appealing so far. Of course, Alex has impeccable taste! Well, I am blonde, but I really do think that, in spite of being blonde, or because of being blonde, or regardless that I am blonde.

RE: Blondie

Where do you think the perverted idea for “Blond jokes” came from?

Who do you think would have a vested interest in demeaning White women with blond hair?

Isn’t the notion of blond hair indicating a lack of intelligence absurd on the face of it?

If current pop culture relentlessly inflicts self-esteem bashing on White girls with blond hair, do you understand the possible resultant negative behaviors that the girls could act-out on?

The jew says..........yuk!.....yuk!..........Look at the stupid blond!

And you obey. Why?

This is the flag Alex described, I think.
http://sprandel.net/ftp/wfp_flag.gif

LOL, I love your signature line! At the rate WR is losing members, they'll be lucky to have six.

RE: Beowulf


I really like this flag, I don't what people will make of the japanese connection though. The bright white sun shining in a clear blue sky. Very nice. I think I would like it better without the lettering though.

Thanks. Here it is without lettering.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/jaynareynolds/whitesunflagII.jpg

Re: Blondie
Oh my, Brutus, I was mocking the very same of which you speak. Nuances are lost in print. I jump through no hoops.

The sun design - No. Just a take-off of the Japanese, and an obvious one too. Would result in ridicule and instant loss of credibility.

Alex's design? No. This looks like a South American flag. The colour scheme is also pre-war Polish.

RE: Blondie

Oh my, Brutus, I was mocking the very same of which you speak. Nuances are lost in print. I jump through no hoops.

I hear you. Thanks for explaining. ;)

RE: Librarian

The sun design - No. Just a take-off of the Japanese, and an obvious one too. Would result in ridicule and instant loss of credibility.

In my first post of this flag, I acknowledged the knock-off of the jap war flag. Do the japs own the rights to the sun? The sun is a great metaphor and the japs do not have a monopoly on it as far as I know. Many others have given variations of other flags, why is a variation of the jap flag taboo? The japs are big on racism and they might even be flattered enough to give a campaign contribution to a fellow racist organization that indirectly honors their ancestry.

I’m not saying that this flag must be the one chosen, what I’m saying is that we should be open to the bigger ideas that compliment our cause. After all, there is nothing new under the sun.

In my first post of this flag, I acknowledged the knock-off of the jap war flag. Do the japs own the rights to the sun? The sun is a great metaphor and the japs do not have a monopoly on it as far as I know.
True enough.

But we have to consider how it is seen from the other end. After all, it's a trademark, a sales pitch, a propaganda tool. In truth, it will be seen as nothing more than a feeble take off of the Jap flag. OK, we might think that it looks good, and we might understand the subtleties of your argument, but Joe Soap won't.

There's no better or more credible authority than White Will. I can tell you that much. The man's a genuis and a freakin walking encyclopedia about anything and everything concerning White Nationalism. (Though personally, I still kinda lean towards the Confederate Battle Flag, while confessing my bias).

My vote would be for some variation of the Gadsen flag, with the "Don't Tread On Me" motto left intact.

Simple and direct. It gets the point across on first glance: "These people are thinking revolution".

The Sword & Helix flag, while visually interesting, would become a meaningless blur to anyone more than 10 feet away from the flag.

I'd vote for a version of the "DON'T TREAD ON ME" flag, for America at least. Half leary of mentioning no one has made a comment about a serpent on the flag. Colonists must not have equated it with evil. But they weren't being preached to by televangelists, either.

I'd vote for a version of the "DON'T TREAD ON ME" flag, for America at least. Half leary of mentioning no one has made a comment about a serpent on the flag. Colonists must not have equated it with evil. But they weren't being preached to by televangelists, either.

Colonists may have admired the serpent for its quiet strength and powerful defensive reflexes. Ancients admired the serpent as a symbol of wisdom. Hebes demonized the serpent, and yes, much of our iconography in the Christian era is similarly negative. That should be considered.

By contrast the Orion flag is different enough to mean something to us, and cause inquiry, but no so different as to seem alien or dated.

I much like the Gadsen design, but I am absolutely smitten with the Orion flag!

This is the flag Alex described, I think.
http://sprandel.net/ftp/wfp_flag.gif

...........ORION!

Here's another one for consideration:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/jaynareynolds/4barflag.bmp

Good flag Brutus but if the WFP is to have even a chance of succeeding it has to get away from any NS imagery. Whenever a lemming sees a swastika or anything similar or other NS symbols, what do you think their reaction is?

Plus, as its been said earlier, it would be best if the flag was simply something American.

The NPD certainly has a nice looking flag. Imagine it with WFP in place of the NPD.

How about this one?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/jaynareynolds/eagleflag.jpg

A flag should not have ideographic elements ( i.e. - eagles, serpents, etc). It should always be a bit removed from the visceral image. Abstraction signals eternal life. It should focus the attention and emphasize concentration like the crosshairs. I think runic elements are more powerful ( a cross, an x, etc. ). Incorporating stars is all right but they should be bound in some way.

The colors should definitely incorporate red, white, and blue or red, white, and black. Definitely no yellow, gold, green or other dilutions.

You seek a tribal banner for a political party that emphasizes racial consciousness and identity in the United States. Whites everywhere, middle class included, are now beginning to realize that this affirmation is becoming necessary for their survival even if they did nothing but observe other ethnic groups and the way they unabashedly promote their own identity politics at our expense and to our dismay.

But what gives us a better claim than these other groups?

Obviously, it's the fact that it was our leadership that created the country.

And where did that leadership go wrong?

1865. 1865. 1865. 1865.
The death of the South was the death of the original republic.
Ever since, the original spirit of the American has been fighting in retreat.

Anyone who studies American History knows that the key to the dissolution of Leviathan lies in the powerful and complex philosophic tradition of the South. The key figures, most especially Calhoun, were emphasizing the paramount necessity of racial politics way before anyone else in the entire world, even Germany.

Therefore, in order to go forward, we must go back, and resuscitate the heroes who have been bulldozed by the egalitarian movement and indict the original offenders, beginning with the fanatic abolitionists of the first Republican party.

The Confederate Battle Flag, of course, should be the starting point. I understand the emphasis on the future, on looking forward. And also the importance of opening up to other regions. But the future must incorporate tradition for it to truly take root in deep fertile soil. The blood sacrifice has been made on this flag and people are STILL fighting for it.

During the War Between the States, the South looked firstly to the Founding generation ( the thirteen stars did not only represent the Confederate states plus Missouri and Kentucky, but also the thirteen states that created the country ). Now, we should look to the South as the intellectual forbear to the current crisis at hand.

It's not good to deprecate movements that are struggling in the open for "heritage" and the display of the battle flag. To the contrary, helping hands should be extended.

There are many levels to this movement and I have yet to see the one with the right glue.

There are MILLIONS of working class men that have such an honest respect for that flag that if they saw it cast in another light, with perhaps a few permutations, it would serve as a point of mediation and allow the discussions on this site to extend more fully across the board.

This is the flag Alex described, I think.
http://sprandel.net/ftp/wfp_flag.gif

This badass flag is abstract enough, memorable enough, symbolic enough, American enough, and original enough to mark this new auspicious start. ORION!

A flag should not have ideographic elements ( i.e. - eagles, serpents, etc). It should always be a bit removed from the visceral image. Abstraction signals eternal life. It should focus the attention and emphasize concentration like the crosshairs. I think runic elements are more powerful ( a cross, an x, etc. ). Incorporating stars is all right but they should be bound in some way.

The colors should definitely incorporate red, white, and blue or red, white, and black. Definitely no yellow, gold, green or other dilutions.

You seek a tribal banner for a political party that emphasizes racial consciousness and identity in the United States. Whites everywhere, middle class included, are now beginning to realize that this affirmation is becoming necessary for their survival even if they did nothing but observe other ethnic groups and the way they unabashedly promote their own identity politics at our expense and to our dismay.

But what gives us a better claim than these other groups?

Obviously, it's the fact that it was our leadership that created the country.

And where did that leadership go wrong?

1865. 1865. 1865. 1865.
The death of the South was the death of the original republic.
Ever since, the original spirit of the American has been fighting in retreat.

Anyone who studies American History knows that the key to the dissolution of Leviathan lies in the powerful and complex philosophic tradition of the South. The key figures, most especially Calhoun, were emphasizing the paramount necessity of racial politics way before anyone else in the entire world, even Germany.

Therefore, in order to go forward, we must go back, and resuscitate the heroes who have been bulldozed by the egalitarian movement and indict the original offenders, beginning with the fanatic abolitionists of the first Republican party.

The Confederate Battle Flag, of course, should be the starting point. I understand the emphasis on the future, on looking forward. And also the importance of opening up to other regions. But the future must incorporate tradition for it to truly take root in deep fertile soil. The blood sacrifice has been made on this flag and people are STILL fighting for it.

During the War Between the States, the South looked firstly to the Founding generation ( the thirteen stars did not only represent the Confederate states plus Missouri and Kentucky, but also the thirteen states that created the country ). Now, we should look to the South as the intellectual forbear to the current crisis at hand.

It's not good to deprecate movements that are struggling in the open for "heritage" and the display of the battle flag. To the contrary, helping hands should be extended.

There are many levels to this movement and I have yet to see the one with the right glue.

There are MILLIONS of working class men that have such an honest respect for that flag that if they saw it cast in another light, with perhaps a few permutations, it would serve as a point of mediation and allow the discussions on this site to extend more fully across the board.


I think that Dow Harris makes a strong argument here for the confederate battle flag. This flag already has strong emotional and historical connotations. Also, it is more univeral than its original use as a military flag of the Confederacy. I personally have seen this flag flying in places outside of the old Confederacy in the states of in Maryland, Delaware, and California. This was even the subject of a joke on The Simpsons. When the state that the Simpsons live in was redesigning their flag to remove the Confederate battle flag, Lisa that makes the argument that they don't even live in a southern state! Also, I read an article once that said that these flags were even becoming more common at European football games. That said I also really like alot of the other flags too. Maybe it would be helpful if the party leadership, esp. Alex, would offer some guidance at this point.

I'm sold. I vote ORION too.

Hey. We ought to get another cafepress shop going. They shitcanned the one Alex had a ways back, but maybe somebody could do a new one? I want a coffee cup with that badass flag on it!

A flag should not have ideographic elements ( i.e. - eagles, serpents, etc). It should always be a bit removed from the visceral image. Abstraction signals eternal life. It should focus the attention and emphasize concentration like the crosshairs. I think runic elements are more powerful ( a cross, an x, etc. ). Incorporating stars is all right but they should be bound in some way.

The colors should definitely incorporate red, white, and blue or red, white, and black. Definitely no yellow, gold, green or other dilutions.

You seek a tribal banner for a political party that emphasizes racial consciousness and identity in the United States. Whites everywhere, middle class included, are now beginning to realize that this affirmation is becoming necessary for their survival even if they did nothing but observe other ethnic groups and the way they unabashedly promote their own identity politics at our expense and to our dismay.

But what gives us a better claim than these other groups?

Obviously, it's the fact that it was our leadership that created the country.

And where did that leadership go wrong?

1865. 1865. 1865. 1865.
The death of the South was the death of the original republic.
Ever since, the original spirit of the American has been fighting in retreat.

Anyone who studies American History knows that the key to the dissolution of Leviathan lies in the powerful and complex philosophic tradition of the South. The key figures, most especially Calhoun, were emphasizing the paramount necessity of racial politics way before anyone else in the entire world, even Germany.

Therefore, in order to go forward, we must go back, and resuscitate the heroes who have been bulldozed by the egalitarian movement and indict the original offenders, beginning with the fanatic abolitionists of the first Republican party.

The Confederate Battle Flag, of course, should be the starting point. I understand the emphasis on the future, on looking forward. And also the importance of opening up to other regions. But the future must incorporate tradition for it to truly take root in deep fertile soil. The blood sacrifice has been made on this flag and people are STILL fighting for it.

During the War Between the States, the South looked firstly to the Founding generation ( the thirteen stars did not only represent the Confederate states plus Missouri and Kentucky, but also the thirteen states that created the country ). Now, we should look to the South as the intellectual forbear to the current crisis at hand.

It's not good to deprecate movements that are struggling in the open for "heritage" and the display of the battle flag. To the contrary, helping hands should be extended.

There are many levels to this movement and I have yet to see the one with the right glue.

There are MILLIONS of working class men that have such an honest respect for that flag that if they saw it cast in another light, with perhaps a few permutations, it would serve as a point of mediation and allow the discussions on this site to extend more fully across the board.

That's the best argument for selection of the WFP flag I've heard so far - The Confederate Battle Flag. 70 million White southerners have the vested interests of their forefathers having fought galliantly under it against federal tyranny, for the White Race, for freedoms, and especially for independence. Therefore, the CBF already has a lengthy, honorable, and universally recognized history plus 70 million Whites who are bound to it by blood.

No doubt I am biased for obvious reasons, but still the Confederate Battle Flag gets my vote.

And thanks Dow Harris for your articulate and logical indorsement.

What baggage?








But the CBF has too much baggage for those outside the South. We're a new party and we need a new symbol. The more I look at the ORION flag, the more I like it. It's simple, it's new, it looks great and it's free of baggage.

But the CBF has too much baggage for those outside the South. We're a new party and we need a new symbol. The more I look at the ORION flag, the more I like it. It's simple, it's new, it looks great and it's free of baggage.

That true Byron, but when the WFP starts to make progress, whatever flag we choose will soon have lots of baggage too. The jews' media will see to it. The kikes will demonize us, our party, our flag and everything else we present. So why not rub the Confederate Battle Flag in their hooked-nosed faces right off the bat?

But in any case, whatever flag Alex chooses, I'll love it just as much as anyone else, regardless of which flag he chooses. And once he makes the decision, all opposition and discussion should cease while we all unite under it.

http://www.vu.msu.edu/preview/ap-hgeo/1/weeks/wk10pic.htm

But the CBF has too much baggage for those outside the South. We're a new party and we need a new symbol. The more I look at the ORION flag, the more I like it. It's simple, it's new, it looks great and it's free of baggage.

Gosh, you'd think we'd have settled this flag discussion by now. I just looked back and reviewed the last couple of week's discussion and saw where "Betsy Ross" quoted my opinion of things (page 4), ie, going with a black white & red variation of the DON'T TREAD ON ME Gadsden flag PLUS a refined version of his own idea for a flag, the double helix with an SS dagger thrust up through it. I still favor both of those as we'll need more than one flag for different uses.

Now we're talking about the ORION flag, whatever that is (ORION is nothing new -- the acronym for Our Race Is Our Nation has been around for at least 15 years), and the Confederate Battle flag.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm Southern born and bred and have a special love for the Confederate Battle Flag -- My great, great, great uncle Rev. Dr. (chaplain/surgeon) Major James Albert Harrell, CSA, was the man charged with blessing that first new battle banner on that high plain camp near Centerville, VA, on November 30th, 1861 -- but we need new revolutionary symbols now, and if we reach back into our past for one we should pick symbology from our winners, not losers. WFP is not about southern nationalism.

Well quite frankly, I miss my years as dictator. Every single decision from what flags we flew, what signs we carried, what uniforms we wore, what patches we wore on them, prerequisites for wearing the green beret, the design and layout for our newspaper, design of membership cards, who was authorized to speak to the media, who marched in the front rank, what marching music we played, who gave speeches, how tall the burning crosses were, and when, where, and why we staged rallies, marches or public protest demonstrations, WAS MADE BY THE DICTATOR of the White Patriot Party, your's truly. And for 6 freakin years, I never heard one single freakin complaint, from even one of the 5,000-plus members and supporters.

Don't believe it? Ask White Will, Edberg, or Ron Doggett.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the way to get things done.

Gosh, you'd think we'd have settled this flag discussion by now.

I guess we keep on discussing it and suggesting new ideas because no official decision has been made.

But in any case, whatever flag Alex chooses, I'll love it just as much as anyone else, regardless of which flag he chooses. And once he makes the decision, all opposition and discussion should cease while we all unite under it.

Well put. And that's why Alex should have the final say.

absolutely.

How about a flag with a White woman on it?

Isn't this what it's really about?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/jaynareynolds/walkflag.jpg

I tend to agree that it's time to choose the flag. As I have stated in another post, my personal favorite is some variation of the Gadsen "Don't tread on me" banner from the American Revolution.

That having been said, I will fall right in line and gladly salute whichever flag is chosen.

Once the choice is made, that's it. No further debate should be needed (or tolerated).

Well said, Will. That's why I vote for the ORION flag. Look on page 5 of this thread to see it. AE and I call it ORION because of the constellation, I wasn't aware of the acronym before.

Right. Remember, Orion was a HUNTER.

How about a flag with a White woman on it?

Isn't this what it's really about?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/jaynareynolds/walkflag.jpg

Hey very interesting idea, a flag with Venus or Nike maybe. Here is an example a colonial flag of this type. It is the San Jacinto flag used by heroic white Texians in their war against mexcrement.

Well, since Alex hasn't made the final decision on the flag, I suppose it's OK to continue debating it.

That Orion flag on page 5 did nothing to inspire me. "Red, white, and blue with 3 stars on it."

The last thing I want to do is cause friction between Southerners and non-Southerners, but decades of interactions and observations have led me to believe that many (not all) non-Southern WNs dislike the Confederate Battle Flag, and for less than an honorable or rationale reason. Which are (1) guilt for having forefathers who fought on the wrong side, and (2) A need to maintain feelings of superiority over defeated southerners. Or fear of southerners who might "rub it in".

My father fought in WWII; an uncle fought in WWI; my English, Scott, and Irish blood kinsmen fought against the Germans in both wars. But STILL I love the swastika. I openly admit they all fought against the interests of my Race, therefore, my respect and admiration goes to the Germans, for that reason alone. The North also fought against the interests of my Race, therefore my respect and admiration goes to the Southerners who fought FOR my Race. And I would still feel that way, even if I was not a Southerner myself.

And that, in my opinion, is the way we should all look upon the Confederate Battle Flag, and the Swastika flag as well.

Well said, Will. That's why I vote for the ORION flag. Look on page 5 of this thread to see it. AE and I call it ORION because of the constellation, I wasn't aware of the acronym before.

OK, I see it now; the one the Skinny Simian put up. That's reason enough for me to reject it, but I suppose he didn't come up with it, only posted it to page 5. I want nothing to do with that SOB. That flag holds no appeal whatsoever to me; no revolutionary image is readily apparent and the red, white and blue coloration is for pansy patriots IMHO.

It just goes to show that there is no accounting for taste, eh? Like Glenn says, Alex will make the final decision. I'm sure he'll pick a good one, or two, after so many good ideas have been so thoroughly discussed and floated by him and then we can close ranks behind his choices. Betsy Ross, the noted flag expert, and I agree so I'm hoping that carries weight with Alex. I believe that all of us who attended the WFP organizational meeting agree on the time-tested Leadership Principle that puts one man at the top of the pyramid to make final decisions. He doesn't do so without consulting with his trusted advisors.

Glenn is right, there wasn't endless discussion of such matters in his WPP because for the most part his followers trusted his judgement. He has looked back with clear eyes and has admitted he made mistakes, but it's easy to do that in retrospect. We can't afford to make many mistakes this next go-around at building a White resistance; it may well be our last best chance.

Spengler, I was finally able to listen to the Peter Principle last night for the first time, but only through the link that Varg provided. Every other time I have tried to load the show by getting the necessary Winamp software "fatal errors" occurred. I was expecting to hear you trounce some Jewess on the 2/15 show I listened to but it was just a bunch of callers, including some long-winded nigger pushing race-mixing, and no guests. I haven't listened to the show you and Glenn were on. Sorry I wasn't able to be on Peter's show last Friday, but I wasn't near a computer when it started airing, much less a telephone. I had to drive out to Nashville and back before first light the next morning to pick up my car that broke down near there a month ago, so that disaster is finally behind me. Let me know when it's a good time to be on Peter's show and I'll be glad to appear if it's a convenient time for me. His is a a good venue for us.

You ought to. You have a voice that will be great on the radio Will and a charming and affable manner that doesnt really come across in your tough-as-nails writing. I would really look forward to that. You have many good stories and anecdotes that people would love to hear as well.

I was looking at some more flag ideas and come across this one. It is a fictional flag for the ancient city-state of Sparta. It is similar in concept to our orion flag.


Why orion for Sparta? Because orion was the warrior as well as the hunter.

Here is an orion flag in blue. I know some people don't like blue and white designs because of the Fokker flag, but I think simple blue flags with white stars are very elegant.

I was looking at some more flag ideas and come across this one. It is a fictional flag for the ancient city-state of Sparta. It is similar in concept to our orion flag.


Why orion for Sparta? Because orion was the warrior as well as the hunter.

Here is an orion flag in blue. I know some people don't like blue and white designs because of the Fokker flag, but I think simple blue flags with white stars are very elegant.

The first one wasn't all that bad, Beowulf. It has lots of the color red in it, which I like.

But frankly, when Alex makes his decision, I don't care if it's "Maggie's Drawers" on a flag pole, I'll work to promote it, and carry it proudly and defiantly.

How about that White Will ? Says he's gonna speak as a guest on the Peter Shaenk radio show. Won't that be something? All VNN'ers ought to tune in for that one. I've never heard him speak publicly, but with his jew-wiseness, education, and decades of WN activisms, it'll really be something to behold. That's for sure.

(God, I hope he doesn't mention that "dead jew on a stick". Just kidding, Will)

Hey Byron, go ahead and set Will up for the Peter Shaenk show. Will left for the mountains today and usually spends 5-7 days there before returning home. Therefore, I suggest the date be between 22-30th of this month. He'll be available during that period. Will's credentials for warranting an appearance is him being a founder of the WFP, his 2 decades of WN activisms, and his military background - Green beret Captain, with 2 tours in Vietnam.

How about something like this?

In this design I combined the ideas of patriotism and Americanism with the orion flag. In the canton area of the flag is an American Eagle, a widely recongnized symbol of America. Underneath the eagle is the motto LIBERTY OR DEATH. This motto was commonly used in the Revolutionary War, it is appropriately defiant, and it sums up the situation of our people; WE MUST HAVE LIBERTY OR WE WILL PARISH. In the rest of the flag is the constellation of Orion on a blue background, symbolizing our unity with and loyalty to the White Race above all else.

How about something like this?

In this design I combined the ideas of patriotism and Americanism with the orion flag. In the canton area of the flag is an American Eagle, a widely recongnized symbol of America. Underneath the eagle is the motto LIBERTY OR DEATH. This motto was commonly used in the Revolutionary War, it is appropriately defiant, and it sums up the situation of our people; WE MUST HAVE LIBERTY OR WE WILL PARISH. In the rest of the flag is the constellation of Orion on a blue background, symbolizing our unity with and loyalty to the White Race above all else.


Hey! I like that one a lot!

The Founders decided upon the female as a representative symbol for the republic for noble reasons that have nothing to do with today’s modern feminism. They choose a woman to remind themselves...........without their women, they had no posterity, and with no posterity they had nothing.

We must ask ourselves................On how many different levels has the jew sought to take our women away from us? The jew has stolen the minds and the hearts of our women while we slept, hypnotized by football games and anesthetized with beer. Our women went willingly with the jew down the path to niggerville.

Are we not champions of our women?

Why not put the ultimate truth on our flag?

Building on the heraldic woman theme, here is another rough draft of “Liberty” that might be used.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/jaynareynolds/liberty.gif

Here is an image of Lady Freedom or Columbia. Apparently this depiction of Lady Liberty used to be very common but has sinced been replaced the the Statue of Liberty type depictions. Maybe we could incorporate something like this into the flag.

Very well said, as usual. Thank you.



Well, since Alex hasn't made the final decision on the flag, I suppose it's OK to continue debating it.

That Orion flag on page 5 did nothing to inspire me. "Red, white, and blue with 3 stars on it."

The last thing I want to do is cause friction between Southerners and non-Southerners, but decades of interactions and observations have led me to believe that many (not all) non-Southern WNs dislike the Confederate Battle Flag, and for less than an honorable or rationale reason. Which are (1) guilt for having forefathers who fought on the wrong side, and (2) A need to maintain feelings of superiority over defeated southerners. Or fear of southerners who might "rub it in".

My father fought in WWII; an uncle fought in WWI; my English, Scott, and Irish blood kinsmen fought against the Germans in both wars. But STILL I love the swastika. I openly admit they all fought against the interests of my Race, therefore, my respect and admiration goes to the Germans, for that reason alone. The North also fought against the interests of my Race, therefore my respect and admiration goes to the Southerners who fought FOR my Race. And I would still feel that way, even if I was not a Southerner myself.

And that, in my opinion, is the way we should all look upon the Confederate Battle Flag, and the Swastika flag as well.

RE: Beowulf

Here is an image of Lady Freedom or Columbia. Apparently this depiction of Lady Liberty used to be very common but has sinced been replaced the the Statue of Liberty type depictions. Maybe we could incorporate something like this into the flag.
I like that one.

I'll try to incorporate it into a flag design.

Mention of "Lady Liberty" always makes me want to throw up.

http://www.stuartmcguire.co.uk/pictures/stat-jew_of_liberty.jpg

RE: Betsy Ross

How’s this?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/jaynareynolds/southcross.bmp

RE: ohgolly

Mention of "Lady Liberty" always makes me want to throw up.
You hate the Statue of Liberty because all that you know about it is from the jew. Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not putting you down for the way that you feel..............allow me to tell you the truth.

The Statue of Liberty was originally a gift to America from the people of France. A token of love and friendship from one White nation to another. It symbolized grand ideals of White culture and hope for continued respect and admiration between our countries.

It had nothing to do with letting filthy immigrants into America until that piece of shit jew emma lazarus had her little poem etched on a bronze placket and slapped on the pedestal by a bunch of jews from New York. That’s when the jew declared that the Statue of Liberty was a beacon to the muds of the world. And that’s also when the revisionist history that you’ve been taught also began. Most people today have only heard the jew version of history regarding the statue as well as the hokey stories about Masonic deviltry in the symbolism. All of that is a crock of shit. The jews and the Masons tried to steal this symbol for themselves.

It’s just another piece of White culture that the jew has stolen from White people.

After the revolution.................we will reclaim all that is ours.

this one's for Sam...

Listen. I said use the Confederate Battle Flag as a starting point. We don't want to replicate the past point for point, we want to distill its ideal elements into our contemporary alembic. The Confederate Battle Flag was never the official flag of the Confederacy. So it hasn't been ruined or even tried, politically. It never surrendered. It went down with fighting men, with working men. And it's also been a symbol of intellectual guerilla resistance to the evils of the system ever since and it has become an international symbol of that resistance. I said before that there are millions of men who have an honest respect for it. I think I ought to rephrase that. There are millions of men who have feelings that approach the metaphysical when they contemplate it. That is the kind of emotion that you want to activate because that is the kind of emotion that is willing to die for something.

And I would also say that while the leaders of the South did surrender physically, they never surrendered intellectually or spiritually. That is, the old leaders. Look at the Apology. The "Losers" remained completely "unreconstructed" and instead emphasized that while men die and times change, principles are immortal and that the death of the body only signified the pending birth of the spirit. And so the fight went on, into the modern age but now with words for bullets. There is a clear intellectual legacy of resistance in the South to the contemporary mindset that stretches all the way back to Thomas Jefferson, John Taylor, and John Calhoun. And I promise you that if this struggle ever goes anywhere in this country it will have to invoke the old Southern God of the Fathers for assistance. For that is the veteran force of the HERO against the machine of Northern Aggression which still exercises its corner on power and deception. It's not an issue of Southern Nationalism, it's about fighting a global Leviathan that has its nest in New York City. You talk of slaying the diversity dragon. How will you do that unless you can consciously add to your own strength, the strength of a thousand key ancestors who had something articulate to say about it on this turf?

Like I said, the battle flag is still being fought for, point being that it is on people's minds, right NOW. When Howard Dean started his campaign for the presidency, he made the unfortunate mistake of saying that he wanted to be the candidate for the guy with a Confederate Battle Flag and a pickup truck. Boy, that idiot obviously didn't understand what party he was trying to represent, did he? And they summarily beat him down. But he said that for a reason. And the reason was that everywhere he campaigned in the South, all people wanted to talk about was that flag and how a little coterie of snotnosed liberals had succeeded in overpowering the general will with their pseudonotions of respectability and political correctness, always belied, mind you, by hopes of attracting corporate interests or media coverage from outside the region. He also said that because he recognized, as Sam Francis and many others had before, that there was this huge segment of the population that was completely being ignored by both political parties. That segment is the white working class male. He also exists outside of the South but almost always sympathizes with the rebel flag and all of its 'baggage'. And if I am not mistaken, it is this man that is the focus of the political party that you fellas are talking about.

About this ORION flag. Sorry. It won't work. There is nothing you can say to change my mind. And I will tell you why it's gotta go. First of all, it's not magnetic. It's ugly. It's disproportionate. The top third is white so at a certain angle when it is flying, it could be mistaken for a flag of surrender. And the red is just too simplistically blunt. The stars don't work. Especially the strange twist of a royal blue star in the white field. No no. You cannot do that. I'm guessing that it is supposed to represent the belt of ORION the constellation. But it just looks like they're kind've randomly put out there.

Do I have a better idea? Maybe.

Here's one I've been working on.

(see avatar)


I started with the Confederate Battle Flag. And then I recalled an interesting comment made by an authority on Germanic Runes, named Edred Thorsson, in his book Runelore . He says that the actual sig-rune ( sig meaning victory) of the ancient Norse was not the S-rune, which was later compounded by the National Socialists into the swastika, but instead was actually the T-rune. Now, that is the Tiwaz rune and it's shaped like an arrow pointing straight up. Tiwaz is the ancient Germanic god of war and justice. So I turned the X into four arrows. I thought that that was interesting and that maybe it meant something about guarding oneself from four directions. But then I thought that it wasn't enough because there were other directions unaccounted for. So I added a vertical bar as well as a horizontal bar with arrows down the middle. After that, I thought, well there's the Union Jack. But in the Union Jack the hor/vert cross is enlarged and emphasized compared with the St.Andrew's Cross which is smaller and in the back. Since the Confederate Battle Flag was based on the St. Andrew's Cross, I thought to do the opposite and emphasize that one and shrink the hor/vert cross. That makes for eight directions, 24 points with arrows included. There are 24 runes, also 24 hours in the day. The theory is that there is some mystery to the 24-foldedness of our universe. 8 goes into 24, three times. And there are actually eight runes aligned in three rows, at least in the elder futhark.

Then there was a problem with the stars. It looked a little funny with the stars along the X and nothing marking the hor/vert cross. I tried to justify that to myself because the X was the bigger cross and required the emphasis. I still kind've like that idea. But for this version, I took the stars and made a circle just like the first flag of the United States. Thirteen stars made it uneven looking but I liked the thirteen as a reference to the 13 states of the Confederacy(MI and KY included) and also the original thirteen states. So I put one star in the middle and enlarged it to signify the need for a superseding unity. That way the twelve other stars could serve almost like a clock of twelve hours. And twelve, of course, goes into twenty-four.

Then I decided to turn the color scheme inside out because runes are always written in red, signifying the blood. The blue just seemed too soft and so I made it black. That may be a symbol that our resolve has hardened over time. I'm not sure. I do have some other theories about that.

And here's the humdinger. After looking at it, I was reminded of something else, which was the chaos symbol. The symbol is usually represented by a circle with eight arrows going out from it, signifying infinite possibility. Well, that's just perfect, I thought.

Here's another reading on it. The center is the root. It is accounted for and well-guarded from every direction. This is past experience. The thing we always return to, the wisdom of our fathers, and the wisdom at the root of our selves. At the same time, we must seek out the periphery, the cutting edge, the frontier, the future. The arrows pointing out suggest that quest, an eternal seeking that is brave enough to look in all directions and fight for the Truth despite its implications ( I am minded of Nathan Bedford Forrest's comment to his men, when they were being attacked from the front and the back to "CHARGE BOTH WAYS!")

You know, they say that Chaos Theory essentially is the scientific concept that a butterfly flapping its wings in Malaysia is somehow responsible for a thunderstorm in New York. Seems like I've heard what amounted to that idea somewhere before. Something about a mustard seed and a mountain...

"...young men, the God of your Fathers is a just and merciful God,

Who in this blood once shed on your green altars,

Measures out all days and measures out the grace,

Whereby alone we live.

and in his Might he waits,

Brooding within the certitude of time,

To bring this lost forsaken valor,

And the fierce faith undying,

And the love quenchless,

To flower upon the hills to which we cleave,

To fruit upon the mountains whither we flee,

Never forsaking, never denying,

His children and his children's children forever,

Unto all generations of the faithful heart."

- from the poem, "Lee in the Mountains,"
by Donald Davidson



Nay, sayd the lord Percy, I told it the beforne,

That I wolde never yeldyde be,

To no man of a woman born...

Brutus,

THANK YOU! That's exactly how I imagined it.

I think it's sharp! You did a great job: thank you!

By the way, Brutus, what's your opinion of it?

What do the rest of you think?

Rounder, do you like it?

Awesome, Betsy Ross. Just awesome. Thank you and brutus for brightening this old redneck's day. I made a copy with my printer, and will show it to my sons and local Ku Kluxer friends for their inspiration and viewing enjoyment.

Man, that flag grows on you the longer you look at it. I do believe my hair raised up a bit.

Just imagine thousands of us goose stepping down main street, each carrying one on a 11-foot flag pole, to the tune of a War Song of the Third Reich. While Jew York jews watched us on the evening TV news. Oh, glory day !!!

The "Statue of Liberty" was erected after self government was eliminated in the US. It was the signal sent from European jews that the way was then clear for their exploitation of Amerikwa. That was when the waves of jew immigrants came pouring in.

The disgusting thing ought to be dynamited.




RE: ohgolly


You hate the Statue of Liberty because all that you know about it is from the jew. Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not putting you down for the way that you feel..............allow me to tell you the truth.

The Statue of Liberty was originally a gift to America from the people of France. A token of love and friendship from one White nation to another. It symbolized grand ideals of White culture and hope for continued respect and admiration between our countries.

It had nothing to do with letting filthy immigrants into America until that piece of shit jew emma lazarus had her little poem etched on a bronze placket and slapped on the pedestal by a bunch of jews from New York. That’s when the jew declared that the Statue of Liberty was a beacon to the muds of the world. And that’s also when the revisionist history that you’ve been taught also began. Most people today have only heard the jew version of history regarding the statue as well as the hokey stories about Masonic deviltry in the symbolism. All of that is a crock of shit. The jews and the Masons tried to steal this symbol for themselves.

It’s just another piece of White culture that the jew has stolen from White people.

After the revolution.................we will reclaim all that is ours.

Enhanced version of Betsy Ross' flag.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/jaynareynolds/enhancedcross.bmp

Not "too Southern", or "too N.S.". Yet speaks loudly to both. I could dance to that tune.

It's beautiful, but doesn't it carry a lot of baggage? <humor>


Enhanced version of Betsy Ross' flag.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/jaynareynolds/enhancedcross.bmp

That "Betsy Ross" flag is even more inspirational to me personally, than the regular Swastika flag, in it's simplistic POWER, and potential for "moving" an awakened White Southern mass of 70 million, in particular.

One of these days. . . . . . One of these days. . . . . .

(13 stars added to it, would be interesting to look at - hint, hint)

I have another idea here guys. How about a flag that honors Thomas Jefferson. Like this one that has the Jefferson memorial with the constallation orion behind it and the motto IN THE SPIRIT OF JEFFERSON.

Good, except that monument currently boasts the crappy half of a qoute.

Good, except that monument currently boasts the crappy half of a qoute.

I have been to the memorial but I didn't see the half-quote (it was a long time ago). Anyway, this might be a good way to get the full quote some attention though. Eventually the media will ask us to explain the reference to Jefferson, then we can give the full quote.

Another on the White Woman theme:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/jaynareynolds/Columbia.jpg

RE: Rounder

Here you go:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/jaynareynolds/starsandswaztika.bmp

Another version:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/jaynareynolds/starwhitebar.bmp

Another version:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/jaynareynolds/starwhitebar.bmp

Wow! now thats a nice flag. Excellent job Brutus. I doubt that Alex will choose this flag, but it is damn nice anyway.

I was over at The Phora and came across a White Freedom Party thread there. Check it out here: http://www.phora.org/forum/showthread.php?t=7170&page=1&pp=20

And here's one of the flags someone over there designed for the WFP.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/ihn4f/WFPNaziColoredFlag.gif

Wow! now thats a nice flag. Excellent job Brutus. I doubt that Alex will choose this flag, but it is damn nice anyway.

Wow, brutus. That REALLY is a nice flag. (Especially the one with the white Swastika).

You gotta admit it's perfect for a WN organization which refuses to compromise it's beliefs, in the very least. It definately turns me on and in a big way. BTW, during the final months of the WPP, when Dees and ZOG were hot on our asses, I seriously considered switching to the Swastika flag for our public marches. And the WPP had enough hard-core, jew-wise WNs to still put hundreds in the streets, carrying it.

RE: Rounder

Wow, brutus. That REALLY is a nice flag. (Especially the one with the white Swastika).
I agree 100%.

This flag is bold, unapologetic and fiercely strong.

A beautiful blend of NS roots and red-blooded American Rebel.

Dare I say, perfection?

The design credit is to be given to Betsy Ross. How apropos! :)

RE: Thick Chunk of Hate

I was over at The Phora and came across a White Freedom Party thread there. Check it out here: http://www.phora.org/forum/showthre...70&page=1&pp=20

And here's one of the flags someone over there designed for the WFP.
I like that flag, modern with the right colors.

As far as I know, Linder has not made a decision as yet, and until that time, I will continue to toss out suggestions.

I’m glad to see that the Brothers over at The Phora are taking an interest in WFPs search for the right flag. I visited that thread and I appreciate the constructive criticism from the guys and will consider what they say. But please do me a favor and tell them to stop that incessant gnashing. It wears down the tooth enamel and makes for an unsightly smile.

To Brutus: I'm not signed up over at the Phora, but maybe I should. As you know, there's a lot of liberal scum over there, mixed in with some treu WNs. Some name the Jew, some don't. It's really a mixed-bag over there, but maybe more will see the light in time. I hope so.

Here's another entry from the Phora for the White Freedom Party flag. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/ihn4f/WhiteFreedomPartyGrayTonesFlag300x150Version4.gif

Here's what they say about it:

This latest entry just submitted to the International VNN White Freedom Party Flag Design Contest (http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=14660&page=1&pp=10)features multiple subtextual messages:

1: On the left, dark concentric rings represent the growing non-white threat to white America. They also represent the politically-correct darkness that has descended over the collective American mind.

2: On the right, emerging from the multicultural rings of non-whites, we have a dominating field of whiteness, suggesting racial purity as the ultimate goal for America, as well as a fresh, ideological beginning for our nation.

3: Then, in the center of the white field, representing all that was good about traditional America, we see the American Stars & Stripes, displayed like a Roman shield of defiance and strength, as our Roman ancestors once stood in defiance and strength against the non-white hordes they conquered and subjugated.

4: Finally, we have the initials of the White Freedom Party embossed upon the American flag, resplendent in traditional and patriotic red, white, and blue colors.

RE: Thick Chunk of Hate


I like that flag, modern with the right colors.

As far as I know, Linder has not made a decision as yet, and until that time, I will continue to toss out suggestions.

I’m glad to see that the Brothers over at The Phora are taking an interest in WFPs search for the right flag. I visited that thread and I appreciate the constructive criticism from the guys and will consider what they say. But please do me a favor and tell them to stop that incessant gnashing. It wears down the tooth enamel and makes for an unsightly smile.

I read their entire thread and they seem somewhat less than impressed. I was going to reply to their thread but I didn't want to register. So to anyone from Phora reading this, I want to emphasize that the designs that I have posted here represent only my own fucktard attempts, and do not represent VNN, Alex Linder, or the White Freedom Party.

Also, maybe the critics have a point, just about all of the political parties in the U.S. do have flags available, but they are just for marketing and a seldom used. Maybe we don't need a flag and have wasted way too much time. The American flag is our flag, if the Amerikwans were honest they would use a different flag.

A little feedback from outside of the echo chamber can be very powerful. If we cannot design something that even other racist/racialist/WN/normal white Americans/etc. cannot take seriously, then clearly we are not on the right track. I do not wish to discourage anyone else, but I am done.

The 3 stars are a variant on the Orion concept. The field of red represents the sacred bloodshed of White patriots. The RAT targeted for destruction in the center represents Traitor Glenn Miller - at the center of it all.
http://natallar.com/images/ratflag.jpg

For those of you who failed "lame comedy" class at Clown College, that was a joke.

For those of you who failed "lame comedy" class at Clown College, that was a joke.

Targetting a man for destruction is not a joke. And ONLY serious, productive conversation, is allowed on this forum.

I haven't chimed in on this thread for the simple reason flags are gay! We can design numerous snakes, dna, confederate, Orion or whatever but the only flag that was ever worth a shit was this one!
http://www.pjstar.com/images/dailypics/wtc/flag-lg.gif

The flag my forefathers made before I and my fathers sold out to the tribe! I know I'll take a lot of shit on this but nothing inspires me like the American Flag and nothing ever will!!!

The 3 stars are a variant on the Orion concept. The field of red represents the sacred bloodshed of White patriots. The RAT targeted for destruction in the center represents Traitor Glenn Miller - at the center of it all.
http://natallar.com/images/ratflag.jpg


Not funny.


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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/jaynareynolds/starwhitebar.bmp

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/jaynareynolds/enhancedcross.bmp

I would like to know which of the above two flags do people like best.

Or, in your opinion, is this design too radical?

They're both beautiful! .....but probably too radical.

I haven't chimed in on this thread for the simple reason flags are gay! We can design numerous snakes, dna, confederate, Orion or whatever but the only flag that was ever worth a shit was this one!
http://www.pjstar.com/images/dailypics/wtc/flag-lg.gif

The flag my forefathers made before I and my fathers sold out to the tribe! I know I'll take a lot of shit on this but nothing inspires me like the American Flag and nothing ever will!!!

Isn't there a joint copyright on this one... between the devil and the blind?

If you want something that represents George Washington and company, great men that they were, you might consider forever parting with a flag owned by the enemy, as they did.

Here's another WFP flag design found at the Phora.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/ihn4f/WhiteFreedomPartyGreenTreeLogo250x150Version2.gif

Here's the description:

"This next White Freedom Party flag is intended to be envioronmentally friendly, with its stylized tree symbolizing fresh new growth. The tree also suggests that the WFP itself is a growing entity, rising from the rich blue and gray soil beneath it, the colors representing the Union and Confederate forces of the US Civil War, of course.

Now, however, these same two colors have united in a common goal, coming together as one to nourish the green tree of a new, reborn white America."

ohgolly, that was gentle and diplomatic. As well as a good observation. Betsy Ross: I prefer the one without stars. Radical, yes. But to the right degree. The flag is no time to adopt half measures.
Any design will bring calls for an explanation. Might as well smash destructive myths at that point, by way of education.

What do ya'll think of this flag design? I kinda like it! Found it over at the Phora.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/ihn4f/WhiteFreedomPartyFlagRedDiamondDesignVersion2.gif

Use 'old glory' for all she's worth. As for a party flag, this one is simple, symbolic and easy to identify:

A nearly all-black flag looks to me more like something that these guys would fly....

http://www.haschrebellen.de/pics/usa/selbstschutz.jpghttp://www.vnnforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2466

But this one looks the best I've seen so far...not to "Nazi" and not too vague.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/ihn4f/WhiteFreedomPartyFlagRedDiamondDesignVersion2.gif

Just noticed how appropriate the term "old glory" is.

http://store1.yimg.com/I/united-states-flag_1834_85859845

History
Also known as the Continental flag, it is the first true U.S. Flag. It combined the British King's Colours and the thirteen stripes signifying Colonial unity. George Washington liked this design so well that he chose it to be flown to celebrate the formation of the Continental Army on New Years Day, 1776. On that day the Grand Union Flag was proudly raised on Prospect Hill in Somerville, near his headquarters at Cambridge, Massachusetts.