How Not To Be Interviewed
By CNN About The Holocaust
By Edgar J. Steele
Conspiracyenpal.com
1-28-5

I fielded several calls from CNN producers the other day. "Somebody" had given them my name as someone they might want to interview to provide counterpoint to their coverage today, which predictably will gush in support of all things Jewish. They discussed sending out a camera crew to film me being profiled with my commentary. Obviously, the idea was to get a foil to make look foolish...the typical, inarticulate and irrational "hater" to be vilified on camera. I know that always is the media's agenda when its minions approach me, but I am willing to play along, anyway, because I count on being able to hold my own with anybody on politically-incorrect subjects.

One of them asked if I believed in the Holocaust. "Do I believe Jews died or do I believe 6,000,000 Jews were gassed and cremated?" I responded. The latter, she said. "No - that's complete rubbish, as a little logic will demonstrate," I replied. "Here, let me explain."

"Consider why Germany, fighting a war on two fronts, desperate for fuel and materiel of every sort, would bother to load millions of Jews on railroad cars and transport them hundreds, even thousands, of miles to concentration camps. Camps built specifically to house them, where they would be fed, clothed, even tattooed so they could be inventoried...just to kill them."

"Look," I continued, "it doesn't even begin to make sense. If they wanted Jews dead, they would have done it the same way that Russian Jews had been doing it to millions and millions (20 to 80 million, depending upon to whom you talk) of White Christians for the past thirty years at the time: with a bullet to the base of the skull, wherever they might be found."

There was a long pause. I used it to add: "As my buddy Al likes to say, 'In all of German-occupied Europe, there were 2.4 million Jews. After the war, 3.8 million Jews applied for Holocaust reparations. Tragically, the remaining 6 million were lost.'"

More silence. (I imagined her feverishly taking notes.) "Did you know that WWII wasn't the first time that Jews claimed 6,000,000 of their number were eradicated in a genocidal frenzy?" I asked. "No - no, I didn't," came the tentative response. "WWI," I said. "They made the exact, same claim, but they would like us to forget about that now. And that wasn't the first time either. You might ask what is so magic about the 6 million figure - well, it derives from their Talmud, which teaches that their Messiah will not come until 6 million Jews are slaughtered." I resisted the almost-overwhelming urge to point out that Israel's current Jewish population is just about 6 million and then ask if she believed in religious prophecy.

"How do you know this is true?" she asked.

"Well, the Talmud is there for anybody to read. Besides, they keep changing the plaques at Auschwitz. First it was 4 million killed there, said the memorial plaque, which now has been replaced with a plaque that claims 1.5 million. Even so, the 6 million figure never got knocked down by the 2.5 million Auschwitz reduction." (Go here for a particularly illuminating article which puts the final Auschwitz figure at about 140,000, based on documents released following the Soviet collapse.)

More silence, then she asked if I had any other thoughts on Auschwitz. "Where do I begin?" I began.

"Did you know that, when the Russians were about to "liberate" Auschwitz, most of the Jewish prisoners, including Elie Wiesel, famed Nazi hunter, and Otto Frank, Anne Frank's father, elected to move to another camp with their German captors, rather than await the arrival of the Russians? If the Germans were so bad and such rampant killers, why not wait for the Russians? By the way, did you know that the last part of Anne Frank's handwritten diary was done in ball-point pen, which wasn't even invented until after the end of the war?" (Anne Frank died of typhus before war's end.) "Did you know that Otto has paid court-ordered restitution to at least one individual who claimed to have been hired to write the diary?"

"What about all the pictorial evidence?" she asked.

"Mostly faked," I replied. "All those pictures of skinny people and bodies stacked like cordwood were actually of Czechs and Poles and Germans. And they died of Typhus, which was rampant in the camps, not gas chambers. Simon Wiesenthal, whose Southern California museum is supported by taxpayer dollars, has been shown repeatedly to use faked photographs in his exhibits. A great many photographs were faked for the trumped-up Nuremberg trials, for which German confessions were extracted by torture, a notoriously unreliable interrogation technique. Tellingly, several confessions, written out in English, were signed by German officers, though they didn't speak a word of English.

"There's a famous photo of Auschwitz where smoke from alleged crematoria was added by Wiesenthal to "prove" the existence of ovens. Problem is, eventually the original surfaced, with no smoke to be seen. And Allied flyovers never reported any billowing smoke from any of the camps, either."

"Do you have these pictures?" she asked.

"Yep, and documentary proof of everything I say. And, I can put my hands on it in mere minutes, at most."

For example, now you see it.......now you don't.

The first photo was downloaded from Wiesenthal's own web page at http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/, though removed, of course, once the original was found in Auschwitz Album 1978 (1st edition, Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, New York, 1978, photo No. 165). No wonder the Jews had to invent a word for that characteristic to which they refer as "chutzpah," a word which simply has no English equivalent.

I went on to point out that there is absolutely no evidence of skinshade lamps, soap rendered from human fat, gas chambers, crematoria or of huge pits of either ash or bodies. More silence. "The sole gas chamber at Auschwitz is acknowledged and now labeled to be a reproduction constructed by the Russians. A phony reproduction, according to camp records."

"Why would they lie about all these things?" asked the CNN producer.

"To engender an ethnocentric feeling of unity among Jews and simultaneously guilt trip all the rest of us into submission. Besides, it's been a huge moneymaker for them. Don't forget the Mossad's motto: 'By Way of Deception, Thou Shalt Do War.'"

New America. An idea whose time has come.

-ed


Copyright ©2005, Edgar J. Steele

I wonder how much CNN will broadcast of this. Probably about 0 seconds.

Great article. The jews will hate it.

Edgar Steele is one of OUR best. Sure would be nice if he'd decide to join with the White Freedom Party, and run for state-wide office in 06. As a political candidate, he'd receive an enormous amount of free media opportunities, during which he could further EXPOSE THE JEWS and help wake up White people. Not to mention literally dozens of invites to address special interest groups, most of which are reported at length, by the media.

I've read about all of his articles on www.conspiracypenpal.com (http://www.conspiracypenpal.com), and get a little pissed when they don't come often enough to suit me.

Regarding the so-called Auschwitz death figures, it was put at 4.2 million on a plaque there, for almost half a century. Then several years ago when that figure became untenable and blatantly absurd, they changed it to 1.4 million. Now according to yesterday's Associated Press articles about the annual commemoration, the figure has been lowered again to 1.2 million. But of course, none of the figure reductions, have been subtracted from the political correct 6 million.

While the world's entire media establishment remained deafeningly silent, except to continue parroting the figure of 6 million.

Oh BTW, thanks Steve for posting the Steele article. Hope you'll post others here, periodically. They are super persuasive, and their inclusion on VNN is great, especially for our newbees.

Steele's "It wasn't the Arabs...", is my favorite.

[QUOTE=Steve B]... "Did you know that WWII wasn't the first time that Jews claimed 6,000,000 of their number were eradicated in a genocidal frenzy?" I asked. "No - no, I didn't," came the tentative response. "WWI," I said. "They made the exact, same claim, but they would like us to forget about that now...."[/QUOTE]



I have this book that discusses the 6,000,000 claims made during/after WWI.

It can be found at the www.vho.org (http://www.vho.org/) website: [size=3]The First Holocaust. [/size]
(http://www.vho.org/store/USA/bresult.php?ID=80)

http://www.vho.org/store/p/80l.jpg

I can understand if Steele wants to remain independant, but if he ever does join WFP, the possiblities are endless. It's people like him that will push thru any obstructions jewz put in the way.

[QUOTE=Steve B]How Not To Be Interviewed
By CNN About The Holocaust
By Edgar J. Steele
Conspiracyenpal.com
1-28-5

I fielded several calls from CNN producers the other day. "Somebody" had given them my name as someone they might want to interview to provide counterpoint to their coverage today, which predictably will gush in support of all things Jewish. They discussed sending out a camera crew to film me being profiled with my commentary. Obviously, the idea was to get a foil to make look foolish...the typical, inarticulate and irrational "hater" to be vilified on camera. I know that always is the media's agenda when its minions approach me, but I am willing to play along, anyway, because I count on being able to hold my own with anybody on politically-incorrect subjects.

One of them asked if I believed in the Holocaust. "Do I believe Jews died or do I believe 6,000,000 Jews were gassed and cremated?" I responded. The latter, she said. "No - that's complete rubbish, as a little logic will demonstrate," I replied. "Here, let me explain."

"Consider why Germany, fighting a war on two fronts, desperate for fuel and materiel of every sort, would bother to load millions of Jews on railroad cars and transport them hundreds, even thousands, of miles to concentration camps. Camps built specifically to house them, where they would be fed, clothed, even tattooed so they could be inventoried...just to kill them."

"Look," I continued, "it doesn't even begin to make sense. If they wanted Jews dead, they would have done it the same way that Russian Jews had been doing it to millions and millions (20 to 80 million, depending upon to whom you talk) of White Christians for the past thirty years at the time: with a bullet to the base of the skull, wherever they might be found."

There was a long pause. I used it to add: "As my buddy Al likes to say, 'In all of German-occupied Europe, there were 2.4 million Jews. After the war, 3.8 million Jews applied for Holocaust reparations. Tragically, the remaining 6 million were lost.'"

More silence. (I imagined her feverishly taking notes.) "Did you know that WWII wasn't the first time that Jews claimed 6,000,000 of their number were eradicated in a genocidal frenzy?" I asked. "No - no, I didn't," came the tentative response. "WWI," I said. "They made the exact, same claim, but they would like us to forget about that now. And that wasn't the first time either. You might ask what is so magic about the 6 million figure - well, it derives from their Talmud, which teaches that their Messiah will not come until 6 million Jews are slaughtered." I resisted the almost-overwhelming urge to point out that Israel's current Jewish population is just about 6 million and then ask if she believed in religious prophecy.

"How do you know this is true?" she asked.

"Well, the Talmud is there for anybody to read. Besides, they keep changing the plaques at Auschwitz. First it was 4 million killed there, said the memorial plaque, which now has been replaced with a plaque that claims 1.5 million. Even so, the 6 million figure never got knocked down by the 2.5 million Auschwitz reduction." (Go here for a particularly illuminating article which puts the final Auschwitz figure at about 140,000, based on documents released following the Soviet collapse.)

More silence, then she asked if I had any other thoughts on Auschwitz. "Where do I begin?" I began.

"Did you know that, when the Russians were about to "liberate" Auschwitz, most of the Jewish prisoners, including Elie Wiesel, famed Nazi hunter, and Otto Frank, Anne Frank's father, elected to move to another camp with their German captors, rather than await the arrival of the Russians? If the Germans were so bad and such rampant killers, why not wait for the Russians? By the way, did you know that the last part of Anne Frank's handwritten diary was done in ball-point pen, which wasn't even invented until after the end of the war?" (Anne Frank died of typhus before war's end.) "Did you know that Otto has paid court-ordered restitution to at least one individual who claimed to have been hired to write the diary?"

"What about all the pictorial evidence?" she asked.

"Mostly faked," I replied. "All those pictures of skinny people and bodies stacked like cordwood were actually of Czechs and Poles and Germans. And they died of Typhus, which was rampant in the camps, not gas chambers. Simon Wiesenthal, whose Southern California museum is supported by taxpayer dollars, has been shown repeatedly to use faked photographs in his exhibits. A great many photographs were faked for the trumped-up Nuremberg trials, for which German confessions were extracted by torture, a notoriously unreliable interrogation technique. Tellingly, several confessions, written out in English, were signed by German officers, though they didn't speak a word of English.

"There's a famous photo of Auschwitz where smoke from alleged crematoria was added by Wiesenthal to "prove" the existence of ovens. Problem is, eventually the original surfaced, with no smoke to be seen. And Allied flyovers never reported any billowing smoke from any of the camps, either."

"Do you have these pictures?" she asked.

"Yep, and documentary proof of everything I say. And, I can put my hands on it in mere minutes, at most."

For example, now you see it.......now you don't.

The first photo was downloaded from Wiesenthal's own web page at http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/, though removed, of course, once the original was found in Auschwitz Album 1978 (1st edition, Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, New York, 1978, photo No. 165). No wonder the Jews had to invent a word for that characteristic to which they refer as "chutzpah," a word which simply has no English equivalent.

I went on to point out that there is absolutely no evidence of skinshade lamps, soap rendered from human fat, gas chambers, crematoria or of huge pits of either ash or bodies. More silence. "The sole gas chamber at Auschwitz is acknowledged and now labeled to be a reproduction constructed by the Russians. A phony reproduction, according to camp records."

"Why would they lie about all these things?" asked the CNN producer.

"To engender an ethnocentric feeling of unity among Jews and simultaneously guilt trip all the rest of us into submission. Besides, it's been a huge moneymaker for them. Don't forget the Mossad's motto: 'By Way of Deception, Thou Shalt Do War.'"

New America. An idea whose time has come.

-ed


Copyright ©2005, Edgar J. Steele[/QUOTE]


This is what I meant by rational, realistic anti-semitism. None of this ZOG foolishness, just documented facts.

If I wore hats I'd tip mine to Mr. Steele.

RE: Draco

If I wore hats I'd tip mine to Mr. Steele.

Why don’t you just tip your yarmulke?

Thanks for posting this. Good read and great summary of the "Holocaust" from Steele.

[QUOTE=Rounder]Edgar Steele is one of OUR best. Sure would be nice if he'd decide to join with the White Freedom Party, and run for state-wide office in 06. As a political candidate, he'd receive an enormous amount of free media opportunities, during which he could further EXPOSE THE JEWS and help wake up White people. Not to mention literally dozens of invites to address special interest groups, most of which are reported at length, by the media.

I've read about all of his articles on www.conspiracypenpal.com (http://www.conspiracypenpal.com), and get a little pissed when they don't come often enough to suit me.

Regarding the so-called Auschwitz death figures, it was put at 4.2 million on a plaque there, for almost half a century. Then several years ago when that figure became untenable and blatantly absurd, they changed it to 1.4 million. Now according to yesterday's Associated Press articles about the annual commemoration, the figure has been lowered again to 1.2 million. But of course, none of the figure reductions, have been subtracted from the political correct 6 million.

While the world's entire media establishment remained deafeningly silent, except to continue parroting the figure of 6 million.[/QUOTE]

The new palque, if I am not mistaken, says that 1.5 million Jews, Gypsies, ethnic Poles...etc, were put to death. My point being, that, they cannot even claim the whole 1.5 million now officially acknowledged to be the death count at Auschwitz. If half of the "victims" were Jews, the Holohoax figure has now been trimmed down to 2.75 million. This is not even taking into account the other absurd Holohoax lies about the other mythical death camps.

[QUOTE=Rounder]Oh BTW, thanks Steve for posting the Steele article. Hope you'll post others here, periodically. They are super persuasive, and their inclusion on VNN is great, especially for our newbees.

Steele's "It wasn't the Arabs...", is my favorite.[/QUOTE]

I still say we should form a committee to produce either a DVD or a CD that people could download and then make copies of for distribution. I think that we should use the Holohoax as a topic. The Jews are really very vulnerable in this blatant B.S story and we should do all we can to exploit it. I don't know anything about CD production, but we have some members here who possibly do. I think that something visual has a distinct advantage of the written word. The majority of people get most of their information and have their opinions molded through the visual media. Handing someone a 50 page essay to read, well, that's too much like work; they don't have time for that. Popping a CD in the computer and letting the computer do the work is something an average lemming would be much more comfortable in doing.

I once went to hear Fritz Berg speak about the Holohoax and supposed gas chambers. Good essay here: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v05/v05p-15_Berg.html

[QUOTE=Rounder]Oh BTW, thanks Steve for posting the Steele article. Hope you'll post others here, periodically. They are super persuasive, and their inclusion on VNN is great, especially for our newbees.

Steele's "It wasn't the Arabs...", is my favorite.[/QUOTE]

Glen, I don't know if you have seen this, but it is an amusing and accurate spoof on the Holohoax from Michael Hoffman. The holohoax tale is so absurd he produced a satire about it.

http://www.heretical.com/holohoax/

If we could find a clear downloadable copy, it could be inserted as a "Special bonus section" in the next AA.

[QUOTE=Augustus Sutter]I still say we should form a committee to produce either a DVD or a CD that people could download and then make copies of for distribution. I think that we should use the Holohoax as a topic. The Jews are really very vulnerable in this blatant B.S story and we should do all we can to exploit it. I don't know anything about CD production, but we have some members here who possibly do. I think that something visual has a distinct advantage of the written word. The majority of people get most of their information and have their opinions molded through the visual media. Handing someone a 50 page essay to read, well, that's too much like work; they don't have time for that. Popping a CD in the computer and letting the computer do the work is something an average lemming would be much more comfortable in doing.

I once went to hear Fritz Berg speak about the Holohoax and supposed gas chambers. Good essay here: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v05/v05p-15_Berg.html[/QUOTE]
My sentiments as well. Great idea on putting the Holocaust as a primer in such a series of material.
How are your friends progressing, [color=blue]Steve B[/color]?

[QUOTE=Augustus Sutter]Glen, I don't know if you have seen this, but it is an amusing and accurate spoof on the Holohoax from Michael Hoffman. The holohoax tale is so absurd he produced a satire about it.

http://www.heretical.com/holohoax/

If we could find a clear downloadable copy, it could be inserted as a "Special bonus section" in the next AA.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, some of those cartoons are excellent Mr Sutter, but blurred. Maybe someone can locate better quality copies.

The absurdity of the "holocaust" has become so obvious to so many, ZOG passed the Global Anti-Semitism Act to combat anti-semitism in every single country on earth, including using the power of the U.S. (sanctions, etc) to force other countries to impose censorship on their non-governmental media. (I just submitted a letter to the edition of the Springfield New-Leader about that outrage, BTW. And their jew editor Robert Leger, says he'll probably publish it next week).

As I recall, it was you who posted the news article that exposed it. There was nothing in my local media about it. So thanks. You definately have an eye for the highly relevant.

[QUOTE=Augustus Sutter]I still say we should form a committee to produce either a DVD or a CD that people could download and then make copies of for distribution. I think that we should use the Holohoax as a topic. The Jews are really very vulnerable in this blatant B.S story and we should do all we can to exploit it. I don't know anything about CD production, but we have some members here who possibly do. I think that something visual has a distinct advantage of the written word. The majority of people get most of their information and have their opinions molded through the visual media. Handing someone a 50 page essay to read, well, that's too much like work; they don't have time for that. Popping a CD in the computer and letting the computer do the work is something an average lemming would be much more comfortable in doing.

I once went to hear Fritz Berg speak about the Holohoax and supposed gas chambers. Good essay here: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v05/v05p-15_Berg.html[/QUOTE]

The subject of VNN producing CDs and DVDs was a hot topic during our 2 and a half day planning session two weeks ago. You'll be hearing lots about this in the near future.

As you know Hitler was a big promoter of the spoken word - saying it's far more effective than the written.

The jewish ability to squash public debate about the "holocaust" is more blatant proof of ZOG and the international jewish cabal, which dominates the western world.

[QUOTE=Augustus Sutter]The new palque, if I am not mistaken, says that 1.5 million Jews, Gypsies, ethnic Poles...etc, were put to death. My point being, that, they cannot even claim the whole 1.5 million now officially acknowledged to be the death count at Auschwitz. If half of the "victims" were Jews, the Holohoax figure has now been trimmed down to 2.75 million. This is not even taking into account the other absurd Holohoax lies about the other mythical death camps.[/QUOTE]
You can see images of both plaques on John "Birdman" Bryant's page at

http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Jews/Jews-HoloRev.html

Old Plaque: "Four million people suffered and died here at the hands of the Nazi murderers between the years 1940 and 1945."

New Plaque: "For ever let this place be a cry of despair and a warning to humanity where the Nazis murdered about one and a half million men, women, and children mainly Jews from various countries of Europe. Auschwitz-Birkenau 1940-1945."

Notice that the message was made longer and more poetically emphatic about how dangerously bad the Nazis were. It's compensation for the fact that the Jews had to reduce the number of alleged victims.

Jerry Abbott

Thanks Jenab for posting that excellent expose article.

The two photos showing the before and after statistics, are most especially PERSUASIVE in debunking the so-called holocaust of 6 million "poor, innocent, persecuted jews".

The photos with captions and explanatory descriptions, should be placed in an edition of VNN's tabloid newspaper. They are absolutely irrefutable.

See how vulnerable the jews are ? And that's just the tip of the kike Big-Lie iceberg.

Oh, glory days ahead for VNN's tabloid newspaper and our other media, all aimed at TRUTHS, and our jew enemies.

[QUOTE=Augustus Sutter]Glen, I don't know if you have seen this, but it is an amusing and accurate spoof on the Holohoax from Michael Hoffman. The holohoax tale is so absurd he produced a satire about it.

http://www.heretical.com/holohoax/

If we could find a clear downloadable copy, it could be inserted as a "Special bonus section" in the next AA.[/QUOTE]Haha. That's funny.

The cartoons appear quite clearly if you click on the pic, then (at least with internet explorer), click on the bottom right "enlarge" button that pops up when you move your mouse to that region. The new pic comes up in its ideal size. With Mozilla Firefox browser, you can just click on any part of the pic and it will enlarge.

[QUOTE=King_Tiger]Haha. That's funny.

The cartoons appear quite clearly if you click on the pic, then (at least with internet explorer), click on the bottom right "enlarge" button that pops up when you move your mouse to that region. The new pic comes up in its ideal size. With Mozilla Firefox browser, you can just click on any part of the pic and it will enlarge.[/QUOTE]

You're right King Tiger. The cartoons become clear enough for reproductions and distributions. Also clear enough to include in the VNN tabloid newspaper.

[QUOTE=King_Tiger]Haha. That's funny.

The cartoons appear quite clearly if you click on the pic, then (at least with internet explorer), click on the bottom right "enlarge" button that pops up when you move your mouse to that region. The new pic comes up in its ideal size. With Mozilla Firefox browser, you can just click on any part of the pic and it will enlarge.[/QUOTE]

Thanks. Now it's readable.

[QUOTE=Jenab]You can see images of both plaques on John "Birdman" Bryant's page at

http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Jews/Jews-HoloRev.html

Old Plaque: "Four million people suffered and died here at the hands of the Nazi murderers between the years 1940 and 1945."

New Plaque: "For ever let this place be a cry of despair and a warning to humanity where the Nazis murdered about one and a half million men, women, and children mainly Jews from various countries of Europe. Auschwitz-Birkenau 1940-1945."

Notice that the message was made longer and more poetically emphatic about how dangerously bad the Nazis were. It's compensation for the fact that the Jews had to reduce the number of alleged victims.

Jerry Abbott[/QUOTE]

Thanks for clearing that up; the subterfuge is still obvious.

In August 1943, The British invented the gas chamber hoax as part of a propaganda scheme against the Poles, to diminish the impact of the 15,000 murdered Polish officers by the Soviets at Katyn. Allies had libeled the defeated Germans with their own Holohoax, to cover up the real atrocities of the allies'.


No European country has adopted lethal gas chambers for executions.(America did have gas chamber for executions)

[QUOTE=Jenab]You can see images of both plaques on John "Birdman" Bryant's page at

http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Jews/Jews-HoloRev.html

----- SNIP -----

Notice that the message was made longer and more poetically emphatic about how dangerously bad the Nazis were. It's compensation for the fact that the Jews had to reduce the number of alleged victims.

Jerry Abbott[/QUOTE]
Here's a great photo from [size=4][size=2]Ernst Zundel's website (http://www.zundelsite.org/): [/size][/size]
http://www.zundelsite.org/english/zundel_life_in_pics/graphics/plaques1.jpg
Victory in Auschwitz - Removal of plaques dedicated to the lie of the "4 million victims" (http://www.zundelsite.org/english/zundel_life_in_pics/part3.html)

This photo reveals the real reason he is in a prison cell! :(

[QUOTE=lawrence dennis]Here's a great photo from [size=4][size=2]Ernst Zundel's website (http://www.zundelsite.org/): [/size][/size]
http://www.zundelsite.org/english/zundel_life_in_pics/graphics/plaques1.jpg
Victory in Auschwitz - Removal of plaques dedicated to the lie of the "4 million victims" (http://www.zundelsite.org/english/zundel_life_in_pics/part3.html)

This photo reveals the real reason he is in a prison cell! :([/QUOTE]

Ernst Zundle's wife Ingrid, is putting up one hell of a fight against the ZOGs in her incredibly valiant and persistent campaigns to free her husband. Those who can, should send her a few bucks to help FREE ERNST ZUNDLE !!!

Ingrid Rimland Zundle
3152 Parkway, Suite 13 (#109)
Pigeon Forge, TV 37863