This is a letter in the Durham/Darlington local paper The Northern Echo from earlier this week. Trevor Agnew is the Durham/Darlington BNP Organiser but seems to be a publicity agent for the UKRAP. Its no better than you'de expect from BNP these days I suppose. Anyone know this clown?

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[SIZE=3]THE story, 'Bankruptcy claim against chairman of business group' (Echo, Jan 26) contained the inaccuracy that I was expelled from the UK Independence Party for previous associations with the British National Party. In fact, I resigned from UKIP.

The other inaccuracy in the piece was the calling of the BNP "extremist". In my view extreme suggests something remote from most people. However, BNP policies and beliefs have become so mainstream that Michael Howard has put policies very similar to our own as his central plank for the coming general election.

The Spectator magazine reported that one in five people would consider voting BNP. A Sikh and former Gurkha supported my campaign to be elected to Darlington Council.

In my experience, UKIP and the BNP are one and the same. The only difference is that one party prioritises Europe. - Trevor Agnew, Darlington.[/SIZE]

I have never met him. Pete Rushton has though !

I think Agnew is a berk. He had something to do with that Sikh helping the BNP in elections a year or so ago in the North East :rolleyes:

"In my experience, UKIP and the BNP are one and the same. The only difference is that one party prioritises Europe. - Trevor Agnew, Darlington."
Says it all really - the BNP can no longer be considered a WN organisation.
Eddy

[QUOTE=eddym_14]"In my experience, UKIP and the BNP are one and the same. The only difference is that one party prioritises Europe. - Trevor Agnew, Darlington."
Says it all really - the BNP can no longer be considered a WN organisation.
Eddy[/QUOTE]

It is sad, especialy when todays BNP probably has more Jews than UKIP! :eek:

[QUOTE=BrightonWNP]It is sad, especialy when todays BNP probably has more Jews than UKIP! :eek:[/QUOTE]

I feel it is a real shame and a lost chance for England and the UK as a whole that when we seem to have the ear of a large part of the population regarding the unchecked none-white immergration the best we can do is the BNP or UKIP.

As things stand in another 50 years the white population will be the minority as we all know. We have but a short time now to make a real impact and what does UKIP and the BNP do, they make deals and generally sellout until it is hard to see the difference between them and the other jew filled/lead partys of the UK.

We have but a short time left, every day more of our rights are taken away, every day the laws are written against us. So what is our response to this crisis? oh yes, the BNP and UKIP! :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=STORMSOLDAAT]I feel it is a real shame and a lost chance for England and the UK as a whole that when we seem to have the ear of a large part of the population regarding the unchecked none-white immergration the best we can do is the BNP or UKIP.

As things stand in another 50 years the white population will be the minority as we all know. We have but a short time now to make a real impact and what does UKIP and the BNP do, they make deals and generally sellout until it is hard to see the difference between them and the other jew filled/lead partys of the UK.

We have but a short time left, every day more of our rights are taken away, every day the laws are written against us. So what is our response to this crisis? oh yes, the BNP and UKIP! :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Here's my two cents - what has five or more decades of following the paths of elections brought? Of being part of and fighting for some political organization? More immigration; more controls against what we can do and say.

Yet still people do not see the failure of strategy here - and now are talking of forming new Parties and continuing with the tactics of trying to get elected. One failed political party after another; one failed so-called "leader" after another. Let's see - since the 60's you've had the NF, the BNP, the New NF, the new BNP under Griffin, not to mention dozens of other smaller groups. That's forty or so years of being good democrats - for what? A few local elected officials. Gee, at this rate, it will be another forty years before you get a handful of national elected officials.

OK - you may well get some people elected, locally and may be even on the national level. But so what? What are the realistic chances of forming a government, especially given the size of the non-White voting population? There is very little chance - and this little chance gets smaller every year, as "they" increase and "we" decrease in numbers.

So - carrying on playing the electoral game, and in fifty or sixty or seventy years Whites will be a minority in the UK. Heck, you've just to look at a place like Birmingham, England, to see what you're even for - you're a minority already there, aren't you? Last time I was in London - it was like some non-White land.

One realistic option - may be now the only one - seems to me to be genuine revolution; armed struggle.

Or do you Brits really believe the dwindling number of your kindred are going to vote you into power sometime?

Hmmm yes. This does tend to underline a nagging problem I have with the BNP. Surely a WN party would take pride in boasting that it had the support of Britain's Whites, rather than "A Sikh and former Gurkha".

[QUOTE=Rhadley]

One realistic option - may be now the only one - seems to me to be genuine revolution; armed struggle.

Or do you Brits really believe the dwindling number of your kindred are going to vote you into power sometime?[/QUOTE]

I can't argue with that, and the answer is maybe. However should I begin to espouse such methods, then I (or anyone else for that matter) would be on a one way ticket to jail. Those who 'govern' this country have made damn sure that their cushy jobs are safe. And the 'peasents' will never revolt again, and with the latest 'anti terrorist' laws, they have gifted themselves with the right to arrest people who they see as a 'possible' threat.

In 1997 during Tony Blair's first year as Prime Minister, the law of this land was changed. No longer can a person be hanged for high treason. Maybe he is nervous that one day the whole nation will see what a traitor he really is. So he made sure he won't hang! :mad:

[QUOTE=BrightonWNP]I can't argue with that, and the answer is maybe. However should I begin to espouse such methods, then I (or anyone else for that matter) would be on a one way ticket to jail. Those who 'govern' this country have made damn sure that their cushy jobs are safe. And the 'peasents' will never revolt again, and with the latest 'anti terrorist' laws, they have gifted themselves with the right to arrest people who they see as a 'possible' threat.

[/QUOTE]

Well, surely we Aryans have the cunning, the intelligence, to outwit our enemies in this respect - to act, to not get caught?

How do we do this? By really upholding in our own lives our Aryan values of honor, total loyalty to comrades, and by doing our duty to our Aryan kindred.

If we can't outwit, outplan, our enemies - what does that say about us? That the Jews and their agents are more clever, more cunning than we are? God forbid!

But - let's say some people acted and some got caught or even killed in the struggle. Heck, what real Aryan heroes they'd become! Sure would beat yet another boring "Party" speech.

We need Aryan heroes - men and women of action; not more Party propaganda.

It's sad to watch somewhere like England become destroyed by "the silent invasion". It's even sadder to watch nothing really effective being done to change it.

Armed struggle is idiotic! Even talk of such will get many jailed - which is why ZOG is inlcuding us under the terrorist laws. There is another way than the elctoral one and it involves hard work and MASS organisation. Elections are only a part of the picture. We can have a much broader strategy as I am forever trying to tell people. I write this stuff and I wonder does anybody read it? Well here goes again - for my own thoughts on a blueprint for victory read:-
http://www.rwb.org.uk./wnnow.html
Revolution comes in many forms - but the illegal way forward is not the revolution which will succeed. Stay away from those who advocate it - it is playing straight into ZOG's hands.

Talk of armed struggle will get you loads of bird. It will also close this board down and no mistake. For the most part those who espouse violence are either going to jail or are agent provocateurs.

Remember CI8 in the early 1990's. The so-called hard right's hard men. Led by government agent 'Charlie' Sergeant. The only people they 'slapped about' were BNP bods. And Sergeant murdered a young lad over some money I was led to believe. So now Sergeant is doing life !

Yes is it can be frustrating, very. But believe me they will 'bang you up', I know ! :mad:

[QUOTE=heaven above]Talk of armed struggle will get you loads of bird. It will also close this board down and no mistake. For the most part those who espouse violence are either going to jail or are agent provocateurs.

Remember CI8 in the early 1990's. The so-called hard right's hard men. Led by government agent 'Charlie' Sergeant. The only people they 'slapped about' were BNP bods. And Sergeant murdered a young lad over some money I was led to believe. So now Sergeant is doing life !

Yes is it can be frustrating, very. But believe me they will 'bang you up', I know ! :mad:[/QUOTE]

What do you know about the old C18 nothing you old wanker. Did you read your information in The Sun? Then try to sell it to the old bill or Searchlight? But on the subject of getting peolpe banged up I bet you have loads of experience from what we hear from the WNs in Oldham.

[QUOTE=WhiteWolf18]What do you know about the old C18 nothing you old wanker. Did you read your information in The Sun? Then try to sell it to the old bill or Searchlight? But on the subject of getting peolpe banged up I bet you have loads of experience from what we hear from the WNs in Oldham.[/QUOTE]


What are you talking about you wanker ? People banged up ? Your not on about old man Kelly again are you. He petrol bombed a chapel. It had nothing to do with politics. The guy is 'nutty as a fruitcake'. I was a witness in HIS DEFENCE. Can't you fuckin read ? Your making yourself look very foolish.

I can't for the life of me understand why so-called B&H sorts deny the 1990's C18 Sergeant stuff (that he was working for MI5 when he murdered a young lad called Criss), then have links with the softliners of the BNP :confused:

And they try to call me and others like me state !

For the one's who don't like to read this stuff, I understand. I pvted stormy to keep it off the board, but he chose to spread it all over this board. His mate is now going 'ape shit' as we can see in this thread.

[QUOTE=eddym_14]Armed struggle is idiotic! [/QUOTE]

Ou contraire mon amie!

It is a strategy to be rationally considered given the so obvious failure of the strategy of forming political parties and fighting elections - and watching the silent invasion of our lands these past sixty years. An invasion that will lead to most Aryan lands becoming places where we are in the minority - probably within the next sixty years.

[QUOTE=eddym_14]
Even talk of such will get many jailed [/QUOTE]

Well, the point here is that our Aryan duty to our kindred comes before any fear of ZOG laws and the consequences of those laws.

Do we HAVE to fear and obey the laws of ZOG? Of course not.

If such laws are against our honor - if they against our folk, if they oppress us - then we have to right to defy those laws. That is, if we have the Aryan spirit, the honor, to do so.

But ZOG wants us to "fear" those laws, and "fear" going to Prison if we break them. Is that Aryan? Of course not.


[QUOTE=eddym_14]
There is another way than the elctoral one and it involves hard work and MASS organisation. [/QUOTE]

But that strategy and the tactics involved have been tried in your land, in all our once proud White lands, for decades without any real success.

Meanwhile, the silent invasion continues, more ZOG laws are passed, our freedoms are taken away, our people suffer.

How many decades have you yourself pursued the way of political parties may I ask?

[QUOTE=eddym_14]
Elections are only a part of the picture. We can have a much broader strategy as I am forever trying to tell people. [/QUOTE]

True - but for a genuine mass movement you need a real leader. Someone who is respected and to whom people are totally loyal, without question. Someone of real charisma. Someone who is a living example of our Aryan values - someone of genius. Another Adolf Hitler, in truth.

Do we have such a leader? No. Have we ever had such a leader? No.

It's not policies, and political programmes and leaflets and propaganda which matter the most - it's a genuine leader who can inspire and motivate people. Where is this leader?

Now, if we had such a person, we might, just might be able to sweep others before us and create a new mass Aryan organization. Until we have such a leader, we're just playing a ZOG game.

My own view, for what it's worth, is that we need both a political organization, a legal group, and groups dedicated to real action, real armed struggle against ZOG.

But let us be really realistic here - let's suppose we were fated to be given such a leader, and let's suppose the group he leads begins to become a real mass movement. Now - ZOG would surely assassinate this individual in order to eliminate the threat he and his movement posed. So where would we be, then? What option would we have?


[QUOTE=eddym_14]
the illegal way forward is not the revolution which will succeed. Stay away from those who advocate it - it is playing straight into ZOG's hands.[/QUOTE]

No. What is playing into the hands of ZOG is playing by their rules and obeying their anti-Aryan repressive laws - that is, denying our Aryan warrior nature.

As I wrote above - why should we care about ZOG laws if they are wrong, if they are anti-Aryan? Why should we fear Prison and even death?

Where Oh where is our Aryan character - our real Aryan warrior nature? Are we to meekly bow down before ZOG? Or do we say - enough is enough! The time to be Aryan again has arrived?

[QUOTE=heaven above]

Remember CI8 in the early 1990's. The so-called hard right's hard men. Led by government agent 'Charlie' Sergeant. [/QUOTE]

Now why are you repeating ZOG disinformation and lies about Charlie being a ZOG agent?

Where is your proof? Did you know Charlie personally? Or are you just repeating gossip and rumors and stories in some ZOG newspaper or broadcast on some ZOG TV program?

What about behaving in an Aryan way and being honorable - and either asking the person in question, Charlie, for his side of the story, or keeping quiet about about such things which you have no personal knowledge of?

Where is that behavior which makes us Aryan? Where is our honor?

[QUOTE=Rhadley]Ou contraire mon amie!

It is a strategy to be rationally considered given the so obvious failure of the strategy of forming political parties and fighting elections - and watching the silent invasion of our lands these past sixty years. An invasion that will lead to most Aryan lands becoming places where we are in the minority - probably within the next sixty years.



Well, the point here is that our Aryan duty to our kindred comes before any fear of ZOG laws and the consequences of those laws.

Do we HAVE to fear and obey the laws of ZOG? Of course not.

If such laws are against our honor - if they against our folk, if they oppress us - then we have to right to defy those laws. That is, if we have the Aryan spirit, the honor, to do so.

But ZOG wants us to "fear" those laws, and "fear" going to Prison if we break them. Is that Aryan? Of course not.




But that strategy and the tactics involved have been tried in your land, in all our once proud White lands, for decades without any real success.

Meanwhile, the silent invasion continues, more ZOG laws are passed, our freedoms are taken away, our people suffer.

How many decades have you yourself pursued the way of political parties may I ask?



True - but for a genuine mass movement you need a real leader. Someone who is respected and to whom people are totally loyal, without question. Someone of real charisma. Someone who is a living example of our Aryan values - someone of genius. Another Adolf Hitler, in truth.

Do we have such a leader? No. Have we ever had such a leader? No.

It's not policies, and political programmes and leaflets and propaganda which matter the most - it's a genuine leader who can inspire and motivate people. Where is this leader?

Now, if we had such a person, we might, just might be able to sweep others before us and create a new mass Aryan organization. Until we have such a leader, we're just playing a ZOG game.

My own view, for what it's worth, is that we need both a political organization, a legal group, and groups dedicated to real action, real armed struggle against ZOG.

But let us be really realistic here - let's suppose we were fated to be given such a leader, and let's suppose the group he leads begins to become a real mass movement. Now - ZOG would surely assassinate this individual in order to eliminate the threat he and his movement posed. So where would we be, then? What option would we have?




No. What is playing into the hands of ZOG is playing by their rules and obeying their anti-Aryan repressive laws - that is, denying our Aryan warrior nature.

As I wrote above - why should we care about ZOG laws if they are wrong, if they are anti-Aryan? Why should we fear Prison and even death?

Where Oh where is our Aryan character - our real Aryan warrior nature? Are we to meekly bow down before ZOG? Or do we say - enough is enough! The time to be Aryan again has arrived?[/QUOTE]

The whole principle of Zogs draconian laws is to keep the likes of us behind bars, that is of course if we resort to the sort of struggle you are advocating. I will say it again, we are of no fuckin use whatsoever to the struggle if we are banged up in prison. Besides, have you seen the state of British nationalism these days? We take up arms, and it is likely we will end up using them on each other.

I have 5 fuckin brilliant white children, no way can I risk getting shot dead or doing a life sentence.

The only way we could possibly go the way of revolution is if the armed forces were to join our struggle. And ZOG has recruited so many non white servicemen, its very unlikely to happen.

Just spoken to a friend of oa friend in the north east BNP.

Theres a bye-election in Bishop Aukland in Durham next month which the BNP were going to stand in. Now their not, because Trevor Agnews done a deal with UKIP and stood aside to give their candidate a better chance!!!

IF you want to ask the stupid bastard why hes trying to destroy our once proud White party ring 07812 958141

[QUOTE=Soldier88]Just spoken to a friend of oa friend in the north east BNP.

Theres a bye-election in Bishop Aukland in Durham next month which the BNP were going to stand in. Now their not, because Trevor Agnews done a deal with UKIP and stood aside to give their candidate a better chance!!!

IF you want to ask the stupid bastard why hes trying to destroy our once proud White party ring 07812 958141[/QUOTE]

So now they are doing deals with UKIP, its gone from bye-election to bye bye BNP. As for " trying to destroy our once proud White party", I'm afraid the damage is already done. They have no sense of pride, and not all the members are white.

When Griffin fails, he will take the BNP down with him. Its a shame, not just for the BNP but for NG too. He could have made a fortune........ As a stunt double for Harry Enfield. :eek:

[QUOTE=BrightonWNP]The whole principle of Zogs draconian laws is to keep the likes of us behind bars, that is of course if we resort to the sort of struggle you are advocating. I will say it again, we are of no fuckin use whatsoever to the struggle if we are banged up in prison. Besides, have you seen the state of British nationalism these days? We take up arms, and it is likely we will end up using them on each other.

I have 5 fuckin brilliant white children, no way can I risk getting shot dead or doing a life sentence.

The only way we could possibly go the way of revolution is if the armed forces were to join our struggle. And ZOG has recruited so many non white servicemen, its very unlikely to happen.[/QUOTE]


No one has answered one of the fundamental questions I posed - surely we, as Aryans, have the cunning, the intelligence, the ability, to outwit ZOG and undertake armed struggle without getting caught?

But - my main point is that Aryans now seem so afraid of ZOG and their laws that they are afraid to act in a real warrior way.

So it seems we prefer our own personal comfort - the type of "freedom" that ZOG allows us - to doing our duty to our folk.

My own view is that we are at war - "they" have declared war on us, on our people, and control our lands, and are driving us toward slavery and extinction. And all "we" can do is talk about being "safe" and not upsetting ZOG?

Do we value our own personal "happiness" before our folk?

No wonder we are in the situation we are now in.

So let's continue playing the ZOG game of electoral politics for another fifty years....

We should ask ourselves - what is the purpose of our lives? To be "happy" and live as ZOG allows us to do in some sort of multi-racial cesspit? Or to live like Aryans - with a warrior spirit and a warrior attitude to life. Which means - death (or imprisonment) before dishonor.

Our Aryan ancestors valued warriors values - for them the greater glory was fighting for a noble cause and if necessary dying for it. Now THAT'S what makes us Aryan and distinguishes us from other races - these others lack our idealism, our nobility; our ability if necessary to do our duty to our folk, to put our folk first, even it is means that we suffer and die because of doing that duty.

Need I remind everyone here of the immortal words of Rudolf Hess after his ZOG show-trial? How many years of imprisonment did he endure for doing his Aryan duty?

"For many years of my life, I had the privilege of working under the greatest man my nation has ever produced in its thousand-year history. Even if I could, I would not erase this part of my life. I am happy that I did my duty to the German people, my duty as a National Socialist, and my duty as the Fuhrer's loyal adherent. I do not regret a thing. If I could start all over again, I would behave just as I have behaved, even if I knew I would end up being burned on a pyre. Regardless of what people do in the future, I will stand before the judge of eternity. I will justify myself to him, and I know that he will acquit me."

[QUOTE=Rhadley]

"For many years of my life, I had the privilege of working under the greatest man my nation has ever produced in its thousand-year history. Even if I could, I would not erase this part of my life. I am happy that I did my duty to the German people, my duty as a National Socialist, and my duty as the Fuhrer's loyal adherent. I do not regret a thing. If I could start all over again, I would behave just as I have behaved, even if I knew I would end up being burned on a pyre. Regardless of what people do in the future, I will stand before the judge of eternity. I will justify myself to him, and I know that he will acquit me."[/QUOTE]

That is sheer poetry! There is no disputing the credibilty of Hess as a national socialist hero. And one can only dream about how much further progress Hitler would have made, had he kept his greatest comrade by his side.

Yet I would have to argue that the standards set by the likes of Hitler and Hess have never been reached again. We would all love to see ourselves as such heroic people. And although it is true that they had their own people behind them, they still set the standards to which we should all wish to reach. Adolf Hitler stayed in Berlin until the very end, he could have run, but he stayed, and no matter what anyone says, it cant be easy to take your own life. Rudolph Hess endured decades of hell, confined under armed guards, never relenting, never surrendering to his captors, he died in jail.

So where are we going to get such leaders of men in 21st century Britain? A land so poluted with foriegn filth that in many places it is hard to find a white man, let alone a white comrade to follow or lead into battle, and certainly not a comrade prepared to fight by your side against the most tremendous odds, knowing damn well that it will end in our death.

Its all a dream, I wish it wasn't, but the fact remains.

The only chance I can see is to build a movement so strong, that ordinary men and women will no longer be afraid to join. So powerfull that those who sat on the fence of fear can draw strength from us. And with a presence so great, that the enemy will shake with fear at the very mention of our names. First we reclaim the streets, then and only then, we can start thinking about seizing power.

[QUOTE=BrightonWNP]That is sheer poetry! [/QUOTE]

Hail! I agree - and thanks for the most civilised reply :)



[QUOTE=BrightonWNP]
The only chance I can see is to build a movement so strong, that ordinary men and women will no longer be afraid to join. So powerfull that those who sat on the fence of fear can draw strength from us. And with a presence so great, that the enemy will shake with fear at the very mention of our names. First we reclaim the streets, then and only then, we can start thinking about seizing power.[/QUOTE]


Well, yeah a mass movement! A real leader!

But where is it? Many young 'uns and no so young 'uns like me are so angry and frustrated as we see our folklands being destroyed, we're moving in the direction of real action.

So let's just say - we agree to differ here about strategy and tactics.

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