Any person, who supports Hitler, is anti-Slavic.

Since "white nationalists" don't want to reject Hitler and his occult, anti-Slavic ideology, which is based on pseudo-science, "white nationalism" isn't suitable for Slavs.

For the organization of a Russian state formation was not the result of the political abilities of the Slavs in Russia, but only a wonderful example of the state-forming efficacity of the German element in an inferior race.
--- Adolf Hitler, My struggle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost


Ethnic group Percentage subject to removal
Poles 80-85%
Russians 50-60%
Belorusians 75%
Ukrainians 65%
Lithuanians 85%
Latvians 50%
Estonians 50%
Czechs 50%
Latgalians 100%


But that's just "Jewish propaganda", right?

Hitler WAS anti-Slavic, Hitler HATED Slavs, Hitler WANTED to exterminate great majority of Slavs and colonize the Slavic lands with German settlers.

Hitler planned to evict 260 000 Slovenes, populate the area with 80 000 German settlers and completely germanize the rest. Because of the national resistance, they managed to deport "only" around 80 000 Slovenes.

The Nazis completely prohibited the use of Slovene language, started to germanize the local names and destroy Slovene literature.

They mobilized by force young Slovene men, which died on the battlefields all across the Europe.

In 1941 the Germans started to mass kill first Slovene hostages in order to frighten the local people and prevent them to join the national resistance.

http://img.rtvslo.si/_up/upload/2012/10/02/64918299_celje.jpg

http://img.rtvslo.si/_up/upload/2012/10/02/64918298_svii.jpg

http://www.delo.si/assets/media/picture/20100213/frankolovo3.jpg?rev=1

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Leta 1941 je bilo slovensko ozemlje okupirano in razkosano med tri tuje države. Največji del je okupirala nacistična Nemčija, ki je začela tudi najbolj temeljito etnično čiščenje in si zadala nalogo, da napravi velik del Slovenije nemško. V okvir teh Hitlerjevih načrtov sta sodila tudi izgon Slovencev in naselitev kočevskih in drugih Nemcev.

Okupatorji so z okupiranih ozemelj v letih 1941 - 1945 izgnali 63.000 Slovencev, in to največ v nemška izgnanska taborišča, kar 45.000, na Hrvaško 10.000, v Srbijo 7500, okoli 17.000 Slovencev pa je pobegnilo pred izgonom v Ljubljansko pokrajino in drugam.

Nemški, italijanski in madžarski okupatorji so odgnali veliko Slovencev tudi v koncentracijska taborišča in zapore.

Po koncu druge svetovne vojne so se preživeli izgnanci vrnili na opustošene in izropane domove.

http://www.drustvo-izgnancev.si/si/dejavnosti/

http://www.drustvo-izgnancev.si/img/slike/slika_02.jpg

Nazis were an occult, anti-Slavic, degenerate force, which deserved to be destroyed. Their pathetic little Neo-Nazi shadow must die soon.


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Hitler looked east for Germany's expansion in Europe. It was in this view that Hitler added a racist element to Lebensraum. By stating that the Soviet Union was run by Jews, then Hitler concluded Germany had a right to take Russian land.
For centuries Russia drew nourishment from this Germanic nucleus of its upper leading strata. Today it can be regarded as almost totally exterminated and extinguished. It has been replaced by the Jew. Impossible as it is for the Russian by himself to shake off the yoke of the Jew by his own resources, it is equally impossible for the Jew to maintain the mighty empire forever. He himself is no element of organization, but a ferment of decomposition. The Persian empire in the east is ripe for collapse. And the end of Jewish rule in Russia will also be the end of Russia as a state.
--- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

One principal document which made it possible to recreate with a great deal of accuracy the contents of Generalplan Ost is a memo of April 27, 1942 entitled Stellungnahme und Gedanken zum Generalplan Ost des Reichsführers SS ("Opinion and Ideas Regarding the General Plan for the East of the Reichsführer-SS") and written by Dr. Erich Wetzel, the director of the Central Advisory Office on Questions of Racial Policy of the Nazi Party (Leiter der Hauptstelle Beratungsstelle des Rassenpolitischen Amtes der NSDAP). This memorandum is an elaboration of Generalplan Ost.

If we speak of soil [to be conquered for German settlement] in Europe today, we can primarily have in mind only Russia and her vassal border states.
--- Hitler, Adolf (1926). Mein Kampf, Chapter XIV: Eastern Orientation or Eastern Policy

According to the Nazis the German people was in need for more territory to sustain its surplus population, an ideology of conquest and depopulation was formulated for Eastern Europe according to the principle of Lebensraum, itself based on an older theme in German nationalism which maintained that Germany had a "natural yearning" to expand its borders eastward (Drang Nach Osten). / Millions of German and other "Germanic" settlers would be moved into the conquered territories, while the original Slavic inhabitants were to be annihilated, removed, or enslaved.
--- Bendersky, Joseph W. (2007). A concise history of Nazi Germany, p. 161-2. Rowman & Littlefield Publishers Inc., Plymouth, United Kingdom

Hitler perceived the development of the modern Russian state had been the work of Germanic elements in the nation and not that of Slavs, but that those achievements had been undone and destroyed by the October Revolution.
--- Joseph W. Bendersky. A history of Nazi Germany: 1919-1945. Plymouth, England, UK: Rowman & Littlefield Publishers Inc., 2000. Pp. 177.

"For the organization of a Russian state formation was not the result of the political abilities of the Slavs in Russia, but only a wonderful example of the state-forming efficacity of the German element in an inferior race."
--- Hitler

"We'll take the southern part of the Ukraine, especially the Crimea, and make it an exclusively German colony. There'll be no harm in pushing out the population that's there now. The German colonist will be the soldier peasant, and for that I'll take professional soldiers, whatever their line may have been previously."
--- Hitler

"The Slavs are a mass of born slaves, who feel the need of a master. As far as we are concerned, we may think that the Bolsheviks did us a great service. They began by distributing the land to the peasants, and we know what a frightful famine resulted. / If anyone asks us where we obtain the right to extend the Germanic space to the East, we reply that, for a nation, her awareness of what she represents carries this right with it."
---Hitler

In order to deviate from their ideological theories for strategic reasons by forging alliances with Croatia (a puppet state recently created after the Invasion of Yugoslavia) and Bulgaria, the Croats were officially described as "more Germanic than Slav", a notion supported by Croatia's fascist dictator Ante Pavelić who maintained that the Croatians were descendants of the ancient Goths and "had the Panslav idea forced upon them as something artificial". Hitler also deemed the Bulgarians to be Turkoman in origin.
--- Rich, Norman (1974). Hitler's War Aims: the Establishment of the New Order, p. 276-7. W. W. Norton & Company Inc., New York

"The Croats are very keen on not being regarded as Slavs. According to them, they're descended from the Goths. The fact that they speak a Slav language is only an accident, they say. / For example, to label the Bulgarians as Slavs is pure nonsense; originally they were Turkomans."
---Hitler

Even the "Slavic allies" were not considered Slavs.

But no. Everything is a "Jewish propaganda" to you.

The plan, prepared in the years 1939-1942


There's your first problem, your source is too late.

Hitler wanted an alliance with Poland prior to 1939 which proves that he was not unconditionally anti-Slavic.

The plan, prepared in the years 1939-1942


There's your first problem, your source is too late.

Hitler wanted an alliance with Poland prior to 1939 which proves that he was not unconditionally anti-Slavic.

"According to Himmler, history proves that the Poles have their nationality tattooed oh their bodies. They must therefore be kept under control by giving them the strongest possible stiffening of German officers and N.C.O.'s, and by trying to have them outnumbered by the German elements. It was agreed with Frank, the Governor-General of occupied Poland, that the Cracow district (with its purely German capital) and also the Lublin district should be peopled by Germans. Once these two weak spots have been strengthened, it should be possible to drive the Poles slowly back. It's very important for the future that the Germans don't mingle with the Poles, so that the new Germanic blood may not be transmitted to the Polish ruling class. Himmler is right when he says that the Polish generals who genuinely put up a serious resistance in 1939 were, so to speak, exclusively of German descent."
--- Hitler He did actually think, that the "German race" was responsible for all the good in Europe.

Would really appreciate the help of anti-Nazis worldwide, for I don't have much time debating religious fanatics.

*Thank you!*

He did actually think, that the "German race" was responsible for all the good in Europe.

Don't sit up too late worrying about it.

Don't sit up too late worrying about it.
Too bad, that there's no scientific proof, that "German race" is superior.

(s)Hitler is not a valid source.

Even Varg Vikernes admits, that

A Scandinavian, for instance, has no good reasons to emotionally react negatively to "nazism", but I understand that a Slav has a perfectly good reason to do so. While the German "nazis" behaved exemplary in Denmark and Norway during WWII, they certainly didn't behave exemplary in Poland or the former Soviet Union. In Norway only about 0,03% of the population was killed in WWII (and the vast majority was actually killed by the Allies), while for example in Byelorussia as much as 25% of the population was killed - and had a lot to do with the Germans' incredibly lowbrow and surprisingly ignorant view on the Slavs and their culture.

However, the Norwegian "nazis" never had a negative view on the Slavs, and even the Norwegian SS-volunteers reacted negatively to the Germans' behaviour in the Soviet Union, so as a Norwegian I never really thought about the fact that it might offend Slavs when I - a Norwegian - occasionally used the term "nazism" to describe my ideological foundation. Naturally I never had the intention to offend or alienate Slavs. Personally I have a very positive view on Slavs and Slavonic culture, and I think it is sad if people think otherwise.

http://www.burzum.org/eng/library/a_burzum_story07.shtml

In Mein Kampf, Hitler, in a special chapter on Ostorientierung oder Ostpolitik, shows his plans for Lebensraum. He urged the German people to "secure proper land on this earth" and announced:

"Damit ziehen wir Nationalsozialisten bewußt einen Strich unter die außenpolitische Richtung unserer Vorkriegszeit. Wir setzen dort an, wo man vor sechs Jahrhunderten endete. Wir stoppen den ewigen Germanenzug nach dem Süden und Westen Europas und weisen den Blick nach dem Land im Osten. Wir schließen endlich ab die Kolonial- und Handelspolitik der Vorkriegszeit und gehen über zur Bodenpolitik der Zukunft. Wenn wir aber heute in Europa von neuem Grund und Boden reden, können wir in erster Linie nur an Rußland und die ihm untertanen Randstaaten denken."

In 1937 Hitler said, that the German space problem can only be solved by war. He stated:

"Das Ziel der deutschen Politik sei die Sicherung und die Erhaltung der Volksmasse und deren Vermehrung. Somit handele es sich um das Problem des Raumes. Die deutsche Volksmasse verfüge über 85 Millionen Menschen, die nach der Anzahl der Menschen und der Geschlossenheit des Siedlungsraumes in Europa einen in sich so fest geschlossenen Rassekern darstelle, wie er in keinem anderen Land wieder anzutreffen sei und wie er andererseits das Anrecht auf größeren Lebensraum mehr als bei anderen Völkern in sich schlösse."
--- http://www.ns-archiv.de/krieg/1937/hossbach/

The Nazis wanted to achieve a "Slav-free Eastern Europe" through mass-sterilizations, executions during forced labour, and expulsion of the native population.

> Source: Ralph Giordano: Wenn Hitler den Krieg gewonnen hätte. Die Pläne der Nazis nach dem Endsieg. Rasch und Röhring, Hamburg 1989.


Plans to eliminate Slavs from Soviet territory to allow German settlement included starvation; Nazi leaders expected that millions would die after they removed such supplies as they needed

> Source: Karel C. Berkhoff, Harvest of Despair: Life and Death in Ukraine Under Nazi Rule p.45


Many Nazis were astounded at the number of Polish children found to exhibit "Nordic" traits, but assumed that all such children were genuinely German children, who had been Polonised; The term used for them was wiedereindeutschungsfähig -- meaning capable of being re-Germanised.

> Source: Milton, Sybil. "Non-Jewish Children in the Camps". Museum of Tolerance, Multimedia Learning Center Online. Annual 5, Chapter 2


General Erich Hoepner of the Panzer Group 4 stated:

"The war against Russia is an important chapter in the German nation's struggle for existence. It is the old battle of the Germanic against the Slavic people, of the defence of European culture against Muscovite-Asiatic inundation and of the repulse of Jewish Bolshevism."
--- Förster 1989, p.500–501

Just rename the thread "The Holocaust really happened"

The plan, prepared in the years 1939-1942
Pilsudski was a bit of a fool for not allying with Germany, the corridor situation could have been solved amicably and Poland could try and gamble for some land elsewhere. I do think the General Governorship was a good result of the Polish-German war though.

The baby girl in my avatar is German/Czech on my side and her Mother is Dutch/South African. I doubt Hitler would have a problem with her. :D

Kitjimar should be banned to the Cry Baby Corral.

The ones who butchered the Slavs were the Bolshevik kikes during Holodomor, that much is a fact, millions died.

This thread doesn't belong under "Facts", and there should be a "More Jew lies about the Germans" section for threads just like this. Bunch them in with the holocaust stories, and etc.

Just a JIDF troll and/or race traitor shabbos goy stooge attempting to foster division among Whites. Yawn. Nothing to see here. Even if the troll is Slavic, 99.999999% of Slavs would disagree with his viewpoints anyway.

Just a JIDF troll and/or race traitor shabbos goy stooge attempting to foster division among Whites. Yawn. Nothing to see here. Even if the troll is Slavic, 99.999999% of Slavs would disagree with his viewpoints anyway.
Now let's see what far right nationalist Slovenian organization has to say about that:

Nacizem in komunizem sta bili ideologiji, ki sta zapovedovali sovraštvo. Od umora v besedi do dejanskega pobijanja ljudi ne pri nacistih ne pri komunistih ni bilo velike razdalje.
Translation: No difference between these murderous ideologies.

http://www.hervardi.com/razpad_komunizma_v_evropi_ter_demokratizacija_in_osamosvojitev_slovenije.php

I'm a Slovene. I know the situation here, don't worry. :-)

Ob pogledu na takšen »antifašizem« oziroma »antislovenstvo« bi se Slovenci, ki so se bili pripravljeni in so tudi se žrtvovali, za osvoboditev Slovenije izpod totalitarizmov – tako fašizma, nacizma, kot tudi takrat prihajajočega komunizma, obračali v grobu, saj so bili vsi veliki domoljubi, razen tistih, ko so jih izkoriščali za svoje pritlehne cilje in oblastniške ambicije.
"Slovenes, who died for liberation from Nazism, Fascism and Communism, would be turning in their graves."

http://www.tu-je.si/index.php?id=1

I thought I smelled bagels. But a Jew would be more subtle on a WN forum. And not continue to waste his time here after being outed.

The troll is starting to sound more and more like an anti. He uses words like "neo nazi" and "nazi scum" straight from the ANTIFA lexicon.

Many antis are also homosexuals or drug addicts. ANTIFA tends to attract the dregs of society. In Slavic nations this would include fags, as sodomy is not considered normal or acceptable.

Kajitmar's trolling fits the profile of a homosexual narcisist obsessed with being the center of attention. He even admits he gets his jollies with this behavior. If he lived in the United States or England, he could taunt his enemies out in the open. But Slavic nations are less tolerant of sodomites. So he chooses to do it here instead. Abusing a forum that was created for those of us who are truly opressed.

I thought I smelled bagels. But a Jew would be more subtle on a WN forum. And not continue to waste his time here after being outed.

The troll is starting to sound more and more like an anti. He uses words like "neo nazi" and "nazi scum" straight from the ANTIFA lexicon.

Many antis are also homosexuals or drug addicts. ANTIFA tends to attract the dregs of society. In Slavic nations this would include fags, as sodomy is not considered normal or acceptable.

Kajitmar's trolling fits the profile of a homosexual narcisist obsessed with being the center of attention. He even admits he gets his jollies with this behavior. If he lived in the United States or England, he could taunt his enemies out in the open. But Slavic nations are less tolerant of sodomites. So he chooses to do it here instead. Abusing a forum that was created for those of us who are truly opressed.
What a joke you are, my dear brown-sweater clown.

What a joke you are, my dear brown-sweater clown.

I can tell from how you talk that you are a fag.

OP is not even worth replying to.

Hitler was not anti-Slavic.

Ban the OP.

I can tell from how you talk that you are a fag.
I can tell from how you dress, that you are a homosexual.

OP is not even worth replying to.

Hitler was not anti-Slavic.

Ban the OP.

Hitler was anti-Slavic.

I can tell from how you dress, that you are a homosexual.

Fags are obsessed with clothing and personal appearance.

Also you have no actual way of knowing how I am dressed. So your reply only serves as evidence of the narcissism and delusions that accompagny your homosexuality.

The quote this moron is using:

(...) the giftedness of the Slavs seemed greater to me than that of the Germans - yes, I thought that the Germans had entered the line of gifted nations only through a strong mixture with Slavic blood.

How can this be taken seriously when Friedrich Nietzsche liked to pretend he was Polish, he was German but often wrote about having Slavic ancestors and that his family were originally Polish but got Germanized, this is a myth and has been refuted.

Hitler was not anti-Slavic, he hated Communism and Jews and these two things were rife in Eastern Europe.

His anti-Slavic motives were politically not racially, many Slavs were accepted as Aryans.

Like talking to a brick wall with people like you.

Someone ban the OP once and for all, morons like him shouldn't be free to post anywhere.

Fags are obsessed with clothing and personal appearance.

Where have I stated, that I'm obsessed with clothing? I'm only pointing out, that the clown in your avatar is clearly imitating the brown-shirt "soldiers" of (s)Hitler.

Also you have no actual way of knowing how I am dressed
True.


So your reply only serves as evidence of the narcissism and delusions that accompagny your homosexuality.
No it doesn't.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ipZ2oLKXL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg

Were Hitler and Himmler as anti-Slavic and "racist" as historians made them out to be, or as they made themselves out to be? When speaking to their innermost circles of supporters and comrades, did they advocate "Ueberesque" racial supremacy, or were they much less racist than most of us ever imagined? If you believe that Himmler and Hitler were all about Slavic and Polish "genocide" and "Aryan supermen," think again!

This might be an interesting read, I guess.

The quote this moron is using:



How can this be taken seriously when Friedrich Nietzsche liked to pretend he was Polish, he was German but often wrote about having Slavic ancestors and that his family were originally Polish but got Germanized, this is a myth and has been refuted.

Hitler was not anti-Slavic, he hated Communism and Jews and these two things were rife in Eastern Europe.

His anti-Slavic motives were politically not racially, many Slavs were accepted as Aryans.

Like talking to a brick wall with people like you.

Someone ban the OP once and for all, morons like him shouldn't be free to post anywhere.

In Ecce Homo Nietzsche claimed that Germans as a whole "have no conception of how vile they are..."

Nation =/= race.

If Nietzsche didn't consider himself German, he wasn't.

+ Hitler was anti-Slavic.

From the start of the war against Poland, Germany intended to realize the plan laid-out by the Nazi leader Adolf Hitler in his 1926 book Mein Kampf. The aim of this plan was to turn Eastern Europe into part of greater Germany, the so-called German Lebensraum ("living space"). Nazi ideology had viewed Slavs as a racially inferior group.

--- The Czechs under Nazi rule: the failure of national resistance, 1939-1942, Vojtěch Mastný, Columbia University Press

umazane pofukane zverine crknte že enkat

Genocide was conducted systematically against Polish people: on September 7, 1939 Reinhard Heydrich stated that all Polish nobles, clergy and Jews are to be killed, on September 12 Wilhelm Keitel added intelligentsia to the list, at the end of 1940 Hitler demanded liquidation of "all leading elements in Poland" and on March 15, 1940, Himmler stated All Polish specialists will be exploited in our military-industrial complex. Later, all Poles will disappear from this world. It is imperative that the great German nation considers the elimination of all Polish people as its chief task.

--- Poland's Holocaust: Ethnic Strife, Collaboration with Occupying Forces and Genocide in the Second Republic, 1918-1947 page 23 by Tadeusz Piotrowski Publisher: McFarland & Company 2007

Executions of Poles by Einsatzkomanndo, Leszno, October 1939

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Execution_of_Poles_by_German_Einsatzkomanndo_Oktober1939.jpg

Intelligenzaktion was a genocidal action of Nazi Germany targeting Polish elites (primarily intelligentsia – teachers, priests, etc.) as part of elimination of potentially dangerous elements.

It was an early measure of the Generalplan Ost. About 60,000 people were killed as the result of this operation. The Intelligenzaktion took place soon after the German invasion of Poland, lasting from fall of 1939 till spring of 1940. It was continued by the German AB-Aktion operation in Poland.

These Polish elites were regarded as "Polish masters", an undesirable trait that might cause Poles to disobey their German masters. Hitler himself decreed:
Once more the Führer must point out that the Poles can only have one master, and that is the German; two masters cannot and must not exist side by side; therefore all representatives of the Polish intelligentsia should be eliminated (umbringen). This sounds harsh, but such are the laws of life.

Kitjimar should be banned to the Cry Baby Corral.
This.

I already asked Linder to ban/restrict him, I wonder why he hasn't done it.

This.

I already asked Linder to ban/restrict him, I wonder why he hasn't done it.
Am I violating the forum rules?

Am I violating the forum rules?

Being a try-hard Communist troll isn't against the rules. Continue. I'll come back later and with a bag of popcorn.

Where have I stated, that I'm obsessed with clothing?

You didn't. It was an observation on my part. You exhibit several traits of homosexual personality disorder. Narcissism and obsession with personal appearance. Paranoia and delusions.

And writing over 100 posts on the subject of Hitler's racial views in just 3 days. Obsessive compulsive disorder is very common in homosexual "men". Akins was averaging about 20 posts a day when he self-destructed.

You didn't. It was an observation on my part. You exhibit several traits of homosexual personality disorder. Narcissism and obsession with personal appearance. Paranoia and delusions.

And writing over 100 posts on the subject of Hitler's racial views in just 3 days. Obsessive compulsive disorder is very common in homosexual "men". Akins was averaging about 20 posts a day when he self-destructed.
No I don't.

Which post makes me a narcissist?

Which post "shows" my obsession with personal appearance?

Paranoia? Delusions? - What? :rofl

I admit I have posted a lot in the last few days, but that's just because the semester ended and I have a break now.

However, since I manifest their worst nightmare, they will probably just give me the full propaganda rape package and propagate the following accusations: pedophile, engaged in incest activities, homosexual, psycho, ADHD, thief, non-educated, inbred, maniac, insane, monster etc.
--- Breivik

It seems, that "white nationalists" love to use the same "cultural Marxist" tactic against their enemies.

Which post makes ma a narcissist?

Which post "shows" my obsession with personal appearance?

I don't need to repeat myself for your benefit.


Regarding the massacre of the Polish intelligentsia, this was done by the Jewish NKVD. For years Germany was falsely accused. But Mikhael Gorbachev owned up to it in 1990.

I don't need to repeat myself for your benefit.


Regarding the massacre of the Polish intelligentsia, this was done by the Jewish NKVD. For years Germany was falsely accused. But Mikhael Gorbachev owned up to it in 1990.
You are talking about the Katyń massacre and you are right. It was the Soviets who killed Polish Officer Corps.

Genrikh Yagoda, Nikolai Yezhov and Lavrentiy Beria were the executives, but only one of them was Jewish and he was later arrested and shot. How is NKVD "Jewish"?

I am one quarter Estonian, which makes me a Slav. In 2004, Estonia erected a monument to those that served in the SS. Now if Hitler was as anti-Slavic as is claimed, why would he allow an 'inferior race' to serve in his elite? Also, the Germans allowed those in the Baltic nations to fly their national flag with the National Socialist Swastika. Hitler understood the concept of race, nation and folk in Europe. I submit that most of the people executed in these Slavic nations were know jews and/or communists and needed to be executed.

In addition, I have observed several traits that leads me to believe the person that started this thread is a :jew: and possibly a mental case.

I am one quarter Estonian, which makes me a Slav. In 2004, Estonia erected a monument to those that served in the SS. Now if Hitler was as anti-Slavic as is claimed, why would he allow an 'inferior race' to serve in his elite? Also, the Germans allowed those in the Baltic nations to fly their national flag with the National Socialist Swastika. Hitler understood the concept of race, nation and folk in Europe. I submit that most of the people executed in these Slavic nations were know jews and/or communists and needed to be executed.

In addition, I have observed several traits that leads me to believe the person that started this thread is a :jew: and possibly a mental case.

The Estonians are a Finnic people, and the official language, Estonian, is a Finno-Ugric language closely related to Finnish and to Hungarian.

Lol, you don't even know what you are.

In April 1941, on the eve on the German invasion, Alfred Rosenberg, Reich minister for the Occupied Eastern territories, a Baltic German, born and raised in Tallinn, Estonia, laid out his plans for the East. According to Rosenberg a future policy was created:
Germanization (Eindeutschung) of the "racially suitable" elements.
Colonization by Germanic peoples.
Exile, deportations of undesirable elements.

Rosenberg felt that the "Estonians were the most Germanic out of the people living in the Baltic area, having already reached 50 percent of Germanization through Danish, Swedish and German influence". Non-suitable Estonians were to be moved to a region that Rosenberg called "Peipusland" to make room for German colonists.

> Source: Raun, Toivo U., Estonia and the Estonians (Studies of Nationalities)

The initial enthusiasm that accompanied the liberation from Soviet occupation quickly waned as a result and the Germans had limited success in recruiting volunteers. The draft was introduced in 1942, resulting in some 3400 men fleeing to Finland to fight in the Finnish Army rather than join the Germans. Finnish Infantry Regiment 200 (Estonian: soomepoisid 'Finnish boys') was formed out of Estonian volunteers in Finland.

The Estonians are a Finnic people, and the official language, Estonian, is a Finno-Ugric language closely related to Finnish and distantly to Hungarian.

Lol, you don't even know what you are.

The Finnish people fought the communist Soviet Union in WW2 in what is known as the Winter War. The Hungarians fought with the Axis Powers-that is NATIONAL SOCIALIST GERMANY-in WW2, so not only is that all good with me, it further disproves your point about Hitler being anti-Slavic. And anyway, what is your point? You change the subject of your own thread to ed-jew-cate me on my ancestry? This further leads me to believe you are a :jew: and a mental case.

This isn't how an argument works, people.

If Kajtimar is wrong, please explain how he is wrong. Name calling doesn't count.

You are talking about the Katyń massacre and you are right. It was the Soviets who killed Polish Officer Corps.

I do know what I'm talking about, and you are a lying sack of shit. It is historical fact that the Katyn massacre included priests, lawyers, journalists, landowners, business owners and other civilians who would have been able to organize a resistance. This is what the Talmud means when it says to "kill the best Goyim". They kill the best and keep only the ones they can use as slaves. That's you. The brainwashed faggot college boy who has spent the last 3 days posting about Nazis. You're their bitch.



Genrikh Yagoda, Nikolai Yezhov and Lavrentiy Beria were the executives, but only one of them was Jewish. How is NKVD "Jewish"?

You're not going to fool anyone with your Talmudic doublespeak. The NKVD was Jewish, and was responsible for the liquidation of Poland's elite, not Hitler.

@"Slavic Estonian" (Lol!)
@ Brown-sweater
This isn't how an argument works, people.

If Kajtimar is wrong, please explain how he is wrong. Name calling doesn't count.

The Finnish people fought the communist Soviet Union in WW2 in what is known as the Winter War. The Hungarians fought with the Axis Powers-that is NATIONAL SOCIALIST GERMANY-in WW2, so not only is that all good with me, it further disproves your point about Hitler being anti-Slavic. And anyway, what is your point? You change the subject of your own thread to ed-jew-cate me on my ancestry? This further leads me to believe you are a :jew: and a mental case.
*Lol!*

Finnish people? Hungarian people? They are NOT Slavs, haha!

Speaking of Hungarians:

> Hungarians occupied the major part of Prekmurje.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Provincia_di_Lubiana1941-1943.jpg

Po prvi in drugi svetovni vojni se je madžarizacija v razl. oblikah nadaljevala v novih mejah madžarske države (tudi
med porabskimi Slovenci), med drugo svetovno vojno posebej nasilno tudi na začasno priključenih ozemeljih.

--- Veliki splošni leksikon, DZS, Izobraževalno založništvo AMEBIS, elektronska izdaja v1.0

Hungarians were implementing magyarisation in Slovenia.

Am I violating the forum rules?

http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/396508_407016279361020_1424938228_n.jpg

umazane pofukane zverine crknte že enkat



Executions of Poles by Einsatzkomanndo, Leszno, October 1939

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Execution_of_Poles_by_German_Einsatzkomanndo_Oktober1939.jpg

Intelligenzaktion was a genocidal action of Nazi Germany targeting Polish elites (primarily intelligentsia – teachers, priests, etc.) as part of elimination of potentially dangerous elements.

It was an early measure of the Generalplan Ost. About 60,000 people were killed as the result of this operation. The Intelligenzaktion took place soon after the German invasion of Poland, lasting from fall of 1939 till spring of 1940. It was continued by the German AB-Aktion operation in Poland.

These Polish elites were regarded as "Polish masters", an undesirable trait that might cause Poles to disobey their German masters. Hitler himself decreed:


This is a fucking lie, it was later proven that it was the Red Army that was responsible for those atrocities, and the Germans happened to come across it later.

http://news.yahoo.com/moscow-declare-katyn-massacre-victims-innocent-163044610.html

There are decades of blatant lies about the Germans that will one day be completely vindicated.

This is a fucking lie, it was later proven that it was the Red Army that was responsible for those atrocities, and the Germans happened to come across it later.

http://news.yahoo.com/moscow-declare-katyn-massacre-victims-innocent-163044610.html
Again, it's TRUE that the Soviets were responsible for Katyń massacre. Where have I stated, that the Germans were responsible for this act?

Read again.


During Operation Tannenberg, 20,000 Poles were shot at 760 mass execution sites by the Einsatzgruppen.

> Source: Andrzej Leszek Szcześniak (2001). Plan zagłady Słowian - Generalplan OST. Radom, POLWEN


The Polish Campaign was was carried out by Adolf Hitler, because he wanted to create Lebensraum for the Germans. When the Poles resisted, Germans started to kill innocent Polish men, women and children.

> Source: Rossino, Alexander B., Hitler Strikes Poland: Blitzkrieg, Ideology, and Atrocity (Lawrence, Kansas: University Press of Kansas, 2003)


Around one million Poles were exiled to the east from the Nazi-controlled area and Germans were settled there. About two million Poles were considered "germanizable" - 200 000 children were taken from their parents.

> Source: Pierre Aycoberry, The Social History of the Third Reich, 1933–1945

Re : Thread title Good for Hitler

The Polish Campaign was was carried out by Adolf Hitler, because he wanted to create Lebensraum for the Germans. When the Poles resisted, Germans started to kill innocent Polish men, women and children.

This was over land that belonged to Germany prior to WW1, and all Germany wanted was its previous territory back. Also the filthy kikes in Poland were mistreating the German minority there, and that seriously pissed Hitler off!!

Here was Hitler's reason for attacking Poland:

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_speech_to_the_German_Reichstag_-_September_1,_1939


Deputies, Men of the German Reichstag!


For months a problem has tormented all of us. Long ago the Diktat of Versailles bestowed this problem on us. In its depravity and degeneracy it has now become insufferable. Danzig was a German city and is a German city! The Corridor was German and is German! These regions owe their cultural development exclusively to the German Volk. Without this Volk, these eastern regions would still be plunged in the depths of barbarism.


Danzig was torn from us! Poland annexed the Corridor! The German minorities living there are being persecuted in the vilest manner imaginable. In the years 1919 and 1920 over one million men of German blood were forced to leave their homeland.


As always, I sought to bring about a change by peaceful means, by offering proposals to remedy this situation which meanwhile had become unbearable.


It is a lie when others in the world claim that we sought to carry out our revisions by the use of force exclusively. Fifteen years before National Socialism’s rise to power, there was ample opportunity to carry out these revisions by peaceful means. Nothing of the sort was done. In any event, I made proposals for a revision not once, but many times.


You know that all these proposals were rejected. There is no need for me to enumerate them: my proposals on the limitation of arms; if necessary, even for the complete elimination of weaponry; my proposals for limited warfare, for the abolition of methods employed in modern warfare which, in my eyes, are hardly reconcilable with international law. You know of my proposals on the necessity of restoring German sovereignty to the territory of the German Reich. You know of the endless attempts I made for a peaceful resolution of the problem of Austria, and later of the problem of the Sudetenland, of Bohemia and Moravia. It was all for naught.


There is one thing that is simply not possible: to demand that an impossible situation be resolved by means of peaceful revision-and then to consistently deny resolution by peaceful means.


It is likewise not possible to claim that the one who, under the circumstances, resorts to resolving this situation by himself, who undertakes the revisions on his own, is in breach of the law. For the Diktat of Versailles does not constitute law for us Germans.


You simply cannot uphold and proclaim a signature to represent sanctified law when it was extorted by holding a pistol to the signatory’s head and threatening to starve millions of human beings if he failed to comply! Thus I attempted, also in the case of Danzig and the Corridor, to obtain a resolution by means of proposals and their peaceful discussion. That these problems had to be resolved was entirely clear. That the western states were unconcerned with the time table is understandable. Yet it is of concern to us.


It was-and had to be-of concern especially to those suffering.


In my talks with Polish statesmen I once more expounded those thoughts which you already heard in my last speech before the Reichstag. No man can accuse me of employing inappropriate methods or of applying inappropriate pressure in an uncalled-for manner. It was I who had the German proposals formulated in the end, and I must repeat here that there is nothing more modest or loyal than these proposals. I should like to say this to the world: I alone was in the position to make such proposals! I know very well that in doing so I brought myself into opposition to millions of Germans. These proposals have been rejected. And not only this! They were answered by mobilization, augmented terror, increasing pressure on ethnic Germans in these regions. The previously slow and exclusively economic and political throttling of the Free City of Danzig within the last few weeks has spilled over into an outright war against it, a choking off of traffic there and military isolation.


Poland has unleashed this war against the Free City of Danzig! It was not willing to settle the question of the Corridor in one manner or another, in a manner both reasonable and rendering justice to the interests of both states.


And ultimately this meant that it was not willing to uphold its obligations toward minorities.


And here I must establish the fact that Germany has fulfilled its obligations! The minorities living within the Reich are not subject to persecution. There is not one Frenchman who can stand up to claim that the French in the Saar territory are being oppressed, tortured, or robbed of their rights. Not one can claim as much! I have been silently standing by and observing the situation for four months now. Yet I have issued warnings repeatedly. And I have intensified these warnings of late.


As long as three weeks ago, I already had the Polish Ambassador informed that if Poland should send further notes to Danzig, in the nature of an ultimatum; if it should implement further discriminatory measures against the Germans there; or if it should attempt to destroy Danzig economically by imposing high customs on it; then Germany could simply no longer be expected to stand by without taking action.


I left no doubt that it would be a grave mistake in this context to compare the Germany of today to the Germany of days past.


There were attempts to justify recriminations against ethnic Germans by claiming that these constituted a response to prior “provocations.” I know not what type of “provocations” those women and children had allegedly perpetrated who were abused and abducted. Nor can I imagine what provocations had been perpetrated by those who were sadistically and bestlially tortured only to be murdered in the end.


Yet there is one thing I do know: no honorable great power could calmly tolerate such a state of affairs in the long run! Nevertheless, I made one last effort. And this even though, in my heart, I was convinced that the Polish Government-especially given its dependence on the rabble of soldiers now freed of inhibitions-was not serious about attaining a true understanding. Nevertheless, I accepted the proposal at mediation of the British Government. The British suggested that while they were not willing to negotiate themselves, they would open a direct line of communication between Poland and Germany to initiate talks once more.

And now I am forced to state the following: I accepted this proposal! It was for this new round of negotiations that I drafted the proposals known to you.


For two whole days I sat with my Government and waited to see whether it was convenient for the Polish Government to send a plenipotentiary or not.


Up to last night, it has not commissioned any such plenipotentiary. Rather it has informed us, through the offices of its Ambassador, that it is presently contemplating whether or not it is in a position to consider the English proposals. It would impart as much to England later.


My Deputies! Should someone have the impertinence to expect the German Reich and its head of state to accept this, and should the German Reich and its head of state tolerate this, then truly the German nation would deserve no better than to take leave of the political stage! For I am wrongly judged if my love for peace and my patience are mistaken for weakness or even cowardice! Last night I informed the British Government that, under the circumstances, I no longer see any willingness by the Polish Government to enter into serious negotiations with us. And thus all attempts at mediation must be considered to have failed. For we had indeed received a response to our proposals which consisted of: 1. general mobilization in Poland and 2. renewed, heinous atrocities.


Similar events repeated themselves in the course of last night. And this after the recent perpetration of twenty-one border transgressions in the span of one single night. Yesterday fourteen additional violations of the border were recorded, among them three of a most serious nature. I have therefore resolved to speak to Poland in the same language that Poland has employed towards us in the months past.


Now that statesmen in the West go about declaring that this infringes on their interests, I can only regret this position. This cannot and will not, however, make me waver for a minute in the fulfillment of my duty. I have solemnly assured the Western states, and I repeat this here, that we desire nothing of them. We shall never demand anything of them. I have assured them that the border separating France and Germany is a final one. Time and time again I have offered friendship, and if necessary close cooperation, to England. But love cannot remain a one-sided affair. It must be met by the other side.


Germany is not pursuing any interests in the West. The West Wall delineates the Reich’s border for all time. Our ambitions for the future are no different. And nothing shall ever change the Reich’s standpoint in this matter.


The other European states, in part, comprehend our stance. Here I wish, above all, to thank Italy, which lent us support during this entire time. You will understand that we do not wish to appeal to a foreign power for assistance in this struggle. This is our task, and we shall carry it out ourselves.


The neutral states have already assured us of their neutrality. We earlier guaranteed this neutrality. We are deadly serious (es ist uns heiliger Ernst) in making this assertion. As long as other powers do not violate this neutrality, we shall likewise respect it scrupulously. For how could we wish to, or desire to, conduct ourselves differently towards these states? I am happy to be able to inform you of a special development at this point.


You know that two different doctrines govern Russia and Germany. There remained but one question to be resolved: as Germany has no intent of exporting its doctrine, and at the moment that Soviet Russia no longer contemplates exporting its doctrine to Germany, I no longer see any compelling reason why we should continue to take opposing stances. Both of us are aware that any struggle between our two peoples would merely benefit third parties. Hence we have determined to enter into a pact which shall preclude the application of force between us for all time. It also obliges us to seek mutual consultation in certain European questions. Moreover, it shall render possible economic cooperation and, above all, ensure that the strength of the two great states is not squandered in rivalry with each other.


Any attempt by the West to change this is doomed to failure! And of one thing I would like to assure all of you here today: this decision signals a fundamental change for the future and is a final one! I believe the entire German Volk welcomes this political resolve. Russia and Germany fought each other in the World War only to suffer its consequences equally in the end. This shall not happen a second time! Yesterday in Moscow and Berlin, the Non-Aggression and Mutual Assistance Pact-which had originally entered into force upon signature-was accorded final ratification. In Moscow this pact was as warmly welcomed as you welcomed it here. I second every word of the Russian Foreign Commissar Molotov’s speech.


Our goals: I am determined to resolve


1. the question of Danzig and

2. the question of the Corridor, and to see to it that

3. a change of tone comes about in German-Polish relations, so as to warrant peaceful coexistence.


Meanwhile I am equally determined to wage this war until the present Polish Government judges it opportune to assent to these changes, or another Polish Government shall be willing to do so.


I will cleanse Germany’s borders of this element of insecurity, this civilwar- like circumstance. I will take care that our border in the East enjoys the same peace as along any other of our borders.


I will take the measures necessary in a fashion that does not contradict what I have pronounced to be my proposals to the world before you, my Deputies.


This means I do not wish to lead this war against women and children. I have instructed my Luftwaffe to limit its attacks to military objectives. Should, however, the enemy regard this as giving him license to employ reverse measures against us, then he shall receive so powerful a response that stars dance before his eyes! This night for the first time Polish regular soldiers fired on our own territory. We have now been returning the fire since 5:45 a.m.! (Seit 5.45 Uhr wird jetzt zuruckgeschossen!) Henceforth, bomb will be met with bomb.


He who fights with poison shall be fought with poison gas. He who distances himself from the rules for a humane conduct of warfare can only expect us to take like steps. I will lead this struggle, whoever may be the adversary, until the security of the Reich and its rights have been assured.


For over six years I worked on the rearmament of the German Wehrmacht. I have spent over 90 billion on the rearmament of the Wehrmacht. Today it is among the best-equipped in the entire world. It completely defies comparison to that of 1914! My confidence in it is unshakeable! When I call on this Wehrmacht, and when I now demand sacrifice from the German Volk, even the ultimate sacrifice should there be need, then it is because I have a right to do this, because today I am as willing as I was before to make any personal sacrifice. I am asking of no German man more than I myself was ready to do through four years! Germans should not be asked to make any sacrifices I myself would not make without an instant’s hesitation! I now wish to be nothing other than the first soldier of the German Reich.


Therefore I have put on that tunic which has always been the most holy and dear to me. I shall not take it off again until after victory is ours, or-I shall not live to see the day! Should something happen to me in this struggle, then my immediate successor shall be Party comrade Goring.


Should anything happen to Party comrade Goring, then his successor shall be Party comrade Hess. You shall owe this man-as your Fuhrer-the same loyalty and blind obedience you owe to my person! Should anything happen to Party comrade Hess, then through the offices of law I shall call upon the Senate, which is to determine the most worthy, i.e. the most valiant from its midst. As a National Socialist and a German soldier I enter into this struggle with a strong heart! My life was but one struggle for the German Volk, for its resurrection, for Germany. This struggle was governed by only one creed: faith in this Volk! There is one word which I have never known and this word is: capitulation! If some now believe that we are facing hard times, then I would like to ask them to bear in mind that once a Prussian king with a ludicrously small state faced off a far more powerful coalition. And three battles later he stood victorious in the end, for he possessed that strong, believing heart, the kind which we need in these times as well. I would like to assure the world around us of one thing: there shall never ever be another November 1918 in German history! Since I myself stand ever ready to lay down my life for my Volk and Germany, I demand the same of everyone else! Whoever believes he can oppose this national commandment shall fall! We will have nothing to do with traitors! And all of us pledge ourselves to the one ancient principle: it is of no importance if we ourselves live-as long as our Volk lives, as long as Germany lives! This is essential.


I expect of all of you as the Reich’s emissaries henceforth that you shall do your duty wherever you may be assigned! You must carry the banner of resistance forth regardless of the cost.


May no one approach me to report one day that morale is low in his Gau, in his Kreis, or in his group or cell. The one responsible for morale is you- the responsibility is yours! I am the one responsible for the morale of the German Volk. You are responsible for morale in your Gaus, in your Kreise! No one has the right to cast off this responsibility. The sacrifices demanded of us today are no greater than those made by countless earlier generations. All men who have set out on this most bitter and strenuous of paths for Germany have accomplished nothing else than what we must also accomplish. Their sacrifice was not made without cost or suffering. It was no easier to make than the one demanded of us.


I expect every German woman to integrate herself into the great community-in-struggle in an exemplary fashion and with iron discipline! It goes without saying that the German youth will fulfill, with a radiant heart, the tasks the nation, the National Socialist state, expects and demands of it. Provided all of us form part of this community, sworn together, determined never to capitulate, then our will shall master all need.


I conclude with the avowal I once pronounced as I began my struggle for power in the Reich. Back then I said: When our will is strong enough that need can no longer vanquish it, then our will and our German state will vanquish and conquer need.

I'll take Hitler's word for it. He has proven to be nothing but a noble, honorable and trustworthy man in my view.

Also, Germany didn't start WW2:

http://www.davidduke.com/images/Judea-war-1933-wide-1100.jpg

This was over land that belonged to Germany prior to WW1, and all Germany wanted was its previous territory back.

Here was Hitler's reason for attacking Poland:

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_speech_to_the_German_Reichstag_-_September_1,_1939



I'll take Hitler's word for it. He has proven to be nothing but a noble, honorable and trustworthy man in my view.

Also, Germany didn't start WW2:

http://www.davidduke.com/images/Judea-war-1933-wide-1100.jpg
Hitler only used the "problem" of Gdańsk as an excuse for attacking Poland and in May 1939, said to his military officials, that It is not Danzig that is at stake. For us it is a matter of expanding our Lebensraum in the east, adding that there will be no repeat of the Czech situation, and Germany will attack Poland at first opportunity, after isolating the country from its Western Allies.

> Sources:

The history of the German resistance, 1933–1945 Peter Hoffmann page 37 McGill-Queen's University Press 1996, Hitler Joachim C. Fest page 586 Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 2002,

Blitzkrieg w Polsce wrzesień 1939 Richard Hargreaves page 84 Bellona, 2009,

A military history of Germany, from the eighteenth century to the present day, Martin Kitchen page 305 Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1975,

International history of the twentieth century and beyond Antony Best page 181 Routledge; 2 edition (July 30, 2008)


And "Judea" was only boycotting German goods, not attacking German soil.

Hitler only used the "problem" of Gdańsk as an excuse for attacking Poland and in May 1939, said to his military officials, that It is not Danzig that is at stake. For us it is a matter of expanding our Lebensraum in the east, adding that there will be no repeat of the Czech situation, and Germany will attack Poland at first opportunity, after isolating the country from its Western Allies.

> Sources: The history of the German resistance, 1933–1945 Peter Hoffmann page 37 McGill-Queen's University Press 1996, Hitler Joachim C. Fest page 586 Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 2002

Blitzkrieg w Polsce wrzesien 1939 Richard Hargreaves page 84 Bellona, 2009,
A military history of Germany, from the eighteenth century to the present day, Martin Kitchen page 305 Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1975

International history of the twentieth century and beyond Antony Best page 181 Routledge; 2 edition (July 30, 2008)

And you're quoting sources from Jews which are lies as far as I'm concerned, and I'll take Hitler's word for it.

And the word "Lebensraum" is repeatedly taken out of context, and used in a way to insinuate they plan on conquering land from someone else, when in this case, this land belonged to German peoples to begin with. And yes, the lebensraum of ethnic Germans in Poland was being infringed on. They were an ethnic minority in Poland and they were being mistreated by the Polish kikes.


And "Judea" was only boycotting German goods, not attacking German soil.

Saying "Declares War", and "Boycotting Germany" are 2 different things. Declaring War means you intend to directly attack the said country in the future.

I'm not arguing that the Germans didn't shoot some Jews, my problem is with the 6 million number. As far as I'm concerned the Polish deserved it. If they knew they weren't in any position to defend themselves against Germany then they should have given into their demands which were really simple actually, return what belonged to Germany to begin with.

In Ecce Homo Nietzsche claimed that Germans as a whole "have no conception of how vile they are..."

That doesn't make it true, Nietzsche was full of theories that were pseudo.

Nation =/= race.

Some places define a nation based on ethnicity, which can extend to a race.

If Nietzsche didn't consider himself German, he wasn't.

He was an ethnic German, you are what your blood is and its something you cannot change, he WAS German.

+ Hitler was anti-Slavic.

Hitler was against the Slavs in the Austro-Hungarian Empire and he was a German nationalist first and foremost so wanted to keep Austria a German state.

Hitler allowed many Slavs to be accepted into the SS.

Slavs were viewed as inferior to Germanic people once the idea of living space into eastern Europe came about, not RACIALLY inferior but POLITICALLY, there is a difference.

Many upon many were Germanized.

Explain this - to be an Aryan! - The Ahnenpaß stated that "wherever they might live in the world" Aryans were "e.g. an Englishman or a Swede, a Frenchman or a Czech, a Pole or an Italian".

I'm only pointing out, that the clown in your avatar


Listen, buster: say what you will about Hitler, but don't you DARE, ever, EVER! talk shit about Mister Rogers or I'll smack you so hard your fillings will fly out. Got it?

Bah, the only honest posts by "white nationalists" in this thread are those of "Marcus" and "andy".

The rest of you: a joke. Opinions, nothing more. You offer no real resistance.

+ Hail Nietzsche! The proud Slav!

"I am a pure-blooded Polish nobleman, without a single drop of bad blood, certainly not German blood."

Yes, he was an "ethnic German", but he considered himself Polish. Hitler was an "ethnic Austrian", but he considered himself German.

"Nations" are social constructs. But the race is real - therefore, Nietzsche was Polish. He wouldn't look out of place in Poland.

Listen, buster: say what you will about Hitler, but don't you DARE, ever, EVER! talk shit about Mister Rogers or I'll smack you so hard your fillings will fly out. Got it?
You won't, pansy.

It's not my fault the Brown-sweater makes a clown out of himself.

"Mister Rogers" - Lol!

Bah, the only honest posts by "white nationalists" in this thread are those of "Marcus" and "andy".

The rest of you: a joke. Opinions, nothing more. You offer no real resistance.

+ Hail Nietzsche! The proud Slav!

You're only parroting similar lies anyone can turn on their TV and hear. One of the reasons we are WNs is because we don't believe the these same lies you are posting here. I don't take wikipedia sources as having any credibility at all with regards to controversial issues.

Hitler wasn't against the Slavic peoples as a racial group, he was against them for political reasons. Slavic peoples who had similar political goals to the NSDAP were not mistreated at all, and they were even welcomed to join the SS as "Aryans".



Yes, he was an "ethnic German", but he considered himself Polish. Hitler was an "ethnic Austrian", but he considered himself "German".

"Nations" are a social constructs. But the race is real - therefore, Nietzsche was Polish. He wouldn't look out of place in Poland.

"Germanic" peoples aren't limited to just those who reside in the Nation of Germany.

"Germanic" peoples aren't limited to just those who reside in the Nation of Germany.

I typed "German" not "Germanic".

I typed "German" not "Germanic".

No shit shirlock, but either can be used to describe the same thing. "German" could mean German citizens, or Germanic peoples.

No shit shirlock, but either can be used to describe the same thing. "German" could mean German citizens, or Germanic peoples.
You are right, just checked it.

Still, "Austrian" and "German" are two different ethnicites. Just like Serbs and Croats, they are related.

But, what exactly is the difference between a German, who is living on the border with Poland and a Pole just behind this border? - There is no racial difference. Such Pole could easily pass as a German and such German could easily pass as a Pole.

That is why the "nation" is a social construct.

You are right, just checked it.

Still, "Austrian" and "German" are two different ethnicites. Just like Serbs and Croats they are related.

But, what exactly is the difference between a German, who is living on the border with Poland and a Pole just behind this border? - There is no racial difference. Such Pole could easily pass as a German and such German could easily pass as a Pole.

That is why the "nation" is a social construct.

It was stated that Germans were an ethnic minority in Poland, so its possible there could be no difference in a Polish citizen and a German one when you look at it from National boundaries. And that was part of the reason they invaded Poland, because they wanted to repatriate German peoples who were being treated like shit in Poland.

And I don't disagree that "Nation" is a social construct.

National boundaries are usually created to represent a specific ethnic group, like German. Or like the United States, it might not specifically represent any specific European ethnic group, and just Europeans as a whole.

The problem we got as White Nationalists is that the Nations our peoples are from which were created to represent our ethnic groups are now being told our countries are for "everyone", and you got massive influxes of people from all over the world coming into our formerly ethnocentric nations. And this is why I identify with Hitler and the NSDAP because their struggle then, is our struggle now. The exact same problems, with the exact same culprits.

I was involved in a discussion about Hitler and the Slavs on ShitFront before the topic was locked and I received a infraction and temporary ban by the liberal mods of ShitFront.

Hitler hated the Poles and Russians as a nationality not an ethnicity. It had everything to do with the slaughter of ethnic Germans and Communism in the USSR and Poland PRIOR to World War 2 and nothing to do with race. The small isolated incidents of the German forces slaughtering Poles and Russians was carried out due to the anger in the German soldiers hearts(Hitler in fact gave a direct order to the German forces to STOP the killings)

There is no credible evidence Hitler or senior leadership of the NSDAP ordered any killing of Jews OR Slavs.

Bah, the only honest posts by "white nationalists" in this thread are those of "Marcus" and "andy".

The rest of you: a joke. Opinions, nothing more. You offer no real resistance.

You are a troll.

+ Hail Nietzsche! The proud Slav!

He wasn't a Slav.

Yes, he was an "ethnic German", but he considered himself Polish. Hitler was an "ethnic Austrian", but he considered himself "German".

There is no such thing as an "ethnic Austrian", Hitler was an ethnic German, Austrians are Germans.

It's true Hitler was born in Austria, not Germany and didn't become a German citizen until the early 1930's but he was German, he was a German by blood, all of Hitler's ancestors were Austrian Germans.

"Nations" are social constructs. But the race is real - therefore, Nietzsche was Polish. He wouldn't look out of place in Poland.

Explain to me how Nietzsche was Polish, show me some evidence his ancestors were Polish.

You use websites like Wikipedia for evidence yet that even refutes Nietzsche being Polish. ;)

Hitler wasn't against Slavs racially, you spout nothing but lies.

I was involved in a discussion about Hitler and the Slavs on ShitFront before the topic was locked and I received a infraction and temporary ban by the liberal mods of ShitFront.

Hitler hated the Poles and Russians as a nationality not an ethnicity. It had everything to do with the slaughter of ethnic Germans and Communism in the USSR and Poland PRIOR to World War 2 and nothing to do with race. The small isolated incidents of the German forces slaughtering Poles and Russians was carried out due to the anger in the German soldiers hearts(Hitler in fact gave a direct order to the German forces to STOP the killings)

There is no credible evidence Hitler or senior leadership of the NSDAP ordered any killing of Jews OR Slavs.

It dates back way further than early WWII, Hitler's dislike (I wouldn't use the word hatred in all fairness) for certain Slavic groups was because in Austria-Hungary the Austrian Germans were not the top dogs but Czechs, Poles, Hungarians (Hungarians are not Slavic though) and other ethnic groups.

Hitler was a German nationalist and like many Austrian Pan-Germans he wanted Austria to remain Germanic not Slavic.

That being said, this alleged "Slavic racially inferior group" sided with the National Socialists, many of the National Socialists had Slavic ancestry and NS Germany nowhere denies Slavs being Aryans.

There is not one quote from any of the NS top people saying Slavs are not Aryans.

"The Nazis' policies regarding Slavs were more politically motivated and were in practice not anti-Slavic, many Slavs were considered Aryans by the Nazis, though after being Germanized".

the "nation" is a social construct.

Says the Jew. Have another bagle fagstein.


But, what exactly is the difference between a German, who is living on the border with Poland and a Pole just behind this border? - There is no racial difference. Such Pole could easily pass as a German and such German could easily pass as a Pole.

Nonsense. There are Poles living in Germany and they remain Polish, not German.

It is obvious that Kajtimar is a supporter of Tito.

Well Kajtimar, Hitler didn't want war with Yugoslavia. Hitler wanted peace in Yugoslavia. Hitler didn't even begin supporting ustashe until 1941, when his hand of co-operation was rejected.

Relations between Belgrade and Berlin were very good in the 1930's.

Hitler oganized grand welcoming ceremony and guards of honour for 'slavic sub-human' Knez Pavle and his wife. He even personally waited for them to arrive at the train station in Berlin in 1939.

http://facebookreporter.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/lordan-hitler-docekuje-kneza-pavla-i-olgu.jpg

http://facebookreporter.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/lordan-hitler-docekuje-kneza-pavla.jpg

http://facebookreporter.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/lordan-hitler-docekuje-olgu.jpg

http://www.27march.org/Album/1935-1941/hitler1.jpg

http://zokstersomething.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/knez-pavle-adolf-hitler.jpg



South Slavic flags/coats of arms and national anthem of southern Slavs 'Hej Sloveni' played in Berlin with Hitler standing in respect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca5HaPTQ5J4

If the Brits and commies hadn't been around to cause problems Yugoslavia would have remained untouched, of course Serbia would have still been bombed by the allies, but that happened anyway. Tito's requested allied bombings of Serbia killed more civilians than German bombing. Also why weren't Slovenian and Croatian towns as massively bombed by the allies like Serbian ones?

Anyway, on Hitler's invasion of Yugoslavia, which again didn't need to happen had we just rounded up the British backed local agitators and shot them.

Quotes form Hitler’s Order of the Day Calling for Invasion of Yugoslavia and Greece.April 6, 1941

Since early this morning the German people are at war with the Belgrade government of intrigue. We shall only lay down arms when this band of ruffians has been definitely and most emphatically eliminated, and the last Briton has left this part of the European Continent, and that these misled people realize that they must thank Britain for this situation, they must thank England, the greatest warmonger of all time. The German people can enter into this new struggle with the inner satisfaction that its leaders have done everything to bring about a peaceful settlement.

I have repeatedly warned of the attempt by the British to land troops in Southeastern Europe, and I have said that this constitutes a threat to the German Reich. Unfortunately this warning went unheeded by the Yugoslav nation. I have further tried, always with the same patience, to convince Yugoslav statesmen of the absolute necessity for their cooperation with the German Reich for restoration of lasting peace and order within Yugoslavia.

Offering Yugoslavia to take its rightful place in restoring the new jew free order in Europe. No NDH, no Ustashe, no Hazdzar Divisions, nom partitions of Serbian land,etc, but no, we had to die for foreign interests of Anglo-Judea and its anti Serbian twin Eastern Bolshevism.

After long effort we finally succeeded in securing the cooperation of Yugoslavia by its adherence to the Tripartite Pact without having demanded anything whatsoever of the Yugoslav nation except that it take its part in the reconstruction of a new order in Europe.

At this point the criminal usurpers of the new Belgrade government took the power of the State unto themselves, which is a result of being in the pay of Churchill and Britain. As in the case of Poland, this new Belgrade government has mobilized decrepit and old people into their inner Cabinet. Under these circumstances I was forced immediately to recall the German national colony within Yugoslav territory.

In addition, Yugoslavia for weeks has planned a general mobilization of its army in great secrecy. This is the answer to my eight-year-long effort to bring about closer cooperation and friendship with the Yugoslav people, a task that I have pursued most fastidiously.



and concerning Greece as some accused him of being anti Greek and wanting to enslave the greek people

The fight on Greek soil is not a battle against the Greek people, but against that archenemy, England, which is again trying to extend the war far into the Southeast Balkans, the same as he tried far in the north last year. For this reason, on this very spot in the Balkans, we shall fight shoulder to shoulder with our ally until the last Briton has found his Dunkerque in Greece.

If any Greeks support this British course, then those Greeks will fall at the same time as the British.

When the German soldier shall have proved himself, shall have proved that he is capable of beating the British in the Balkans, in the midst of snow and mountains, then also he will have proved that he can beat the British in the heat of the desert in Africa.

All the bloodshed and misery, which unfortunately comes with any war, would have been avoided had there been proper people in place in Belgrade at the time.

WW2 era posters like this throughout Serbia, calling on the patriotic Serbian people to take their rightful place in the family of European nations, as we all fight jewish bolshevism together.

It says, "Serbia is in the anti Communist Front"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sh/2/28/Akpns2.jpg

How about this one Kajtimar. Was it worth it? What about the British betrayal of their stooge and blind fool Mihajlovic who the commies murdered.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sh/thumb/2/29/Aspns.jpg/423px-Aspns.jpg

I guess this was just German propaganda being fed to Serbs,right.:rolleyes:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sh/thumb/9/94/Aspns1.jpg/800px-Aspns1.jpg

Translation- "The jew holds the strings in his hand"


More German approved propaganda in Serbia

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sh/thumb/0/04/Ruski_narode.jpg/427px-Ruski_narode.jpg

It says, 'Die Russian people, Stalin is sending you to your deaths in order to save jews'

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sh/thumb/c/cf/Akpns3.jpg/428px-Akpns3.jpg

Europe defending its 3000 year old culture against Bolshevism.

Kajtimar, how about we transfer the Kuca Cveca {Tito's tomb} from Belgrade to Ljubljana, that way your yearly pilgrimage to the site would be easier :rofl


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Tito_tomb.JPG

http://images2.kurir-info.rs/slika-900x608/kuca-cveca-1336132311-157558.jpg

Kajtimar, how about we transfer the Kuca Cveca {Tito's tomb} from Belgrade to Ljubljana

Never heard of the place. You mean Laibach? :D

Never heard of the place. You mean Laibach? :D

or Lubiana, but that is for them to decide not me.

I don't mind Agram though, after all your friends do want to be Goths :p

I met a couple of Agram Boys on holiday out here. I'm afraid they didn't have nice things to say about your boys. :D

I met a couple of Agram Boys on holiday out here. I'm afraid they didn't have nice things to say about your boys. :D

Ah well, I guess we can't be loved by everyone *shrug*

Chin up. There's always the Frogs.

Chin up. There's always the Frogs.

:D

http://www.historiasiglo20.org/IMAG/images/irredentismo01.jpg

It is true that the National Socialists had a dim view of most Slavs but it wasn't racially motivated it was politically, Hitler and the NSDAP loathed Communism and Jews, these were rife and popular in eastern Europe so they tagged the Slavs with them and said they belonged to it.

I don't agree with kidnapping children neither, that was wrong.

The only reason Павле Карађорђевић (Prince Paul) signed the Tripartite Pact was to keep Yugoslavia out of the war. When France was defeated, he saw no other option, so he succumbed to Axis' pressure. But even then he remained openly pro-Allied. He helped Greeks when their country was attacked. He was maintaining the collaboration between the French and Yugoslav armies. And for three years he resisted the power of Axis.

> Source: Yugoslavia in crisis 1934-1941, Columbia University Press, 1962 Hoptner


(...) on March 27 in the early morning hours, the SERB PEOPLE and parts of the army who remonstrated against the surrender to the FASCIST PRESSURE, OVERTHREW THE GOVERNMENT, under the leadership of the chief of Yugoslav aviation, Gen. Dušan Simović, who became prime minister. King Peter II assumed the government amid UNPRECEDENTED SCENES OF PUBLIC REJOICING ON THE PART OF SERB PEOPLE, WHO SAW THEIR LIBERTY AND THEIR HONOUR SAVED. Under Gen. Simović, Dr. Vladimir Maček continued as vice-premier. Regent Paul fled to Greece, and the former premier and foreign minister were arrested. THERE WAS NO DOUBT THAT THE COUP WAS A RESULT OF AN OVERWHELMING POPULAR DETERMINATION AMONG THE SERBS, A REAL POPULAR UPRISING backed by a large majority of the army.

> Source: Encyclopedia Britannica, edition 1943, Volume 23, page 923, entry: Yugoslavia. Author: Dr. Hans Kohn, Jr. Professor of History, Smith College, Northampton, Mass.



Yugoslavs were not so accommodating. But their stubbornness only spurred on the Germans to bring them into camp too. On March 4-5 [1941], the Regent, Prince Paul [of Yugoslavia], was summoned in great secrecy to the Berghof by the Fuehrer, given the usual threats and, in addition, offered the bribe of Salonika [Greece]. On March 25, the Yugoslav Premier, Dragisha Cvetkovic, and Foreign Minister Aleksander Cincer-Markovic, having slipped surreptitiously out of Belgrade the night before to avoid hostile demonstrations or even kidnapping, arrived in Vienna, where in the presence of Hitler and Ribbentrop they signed up Yugoslavia to the Tripartite Pact... The Yugoslav leaders were given two letters from Ribbentrop confirming Germany's "determination" to respect "the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Yugoslavia at all times" and promising that the Axis would not demand transit rights for its troops across Yugoslavia "during this war".

The Yugoslav ministers had no sooner returned to Belgrade than they, the government and the Prince Regent were overthrown on the night of March 26-27, by a popular uprising... [...]

> Source: "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" A History of Nazi Germany by William L. Shirer, Simon and Schuster, New York, 1960


In the case of Yugoslavia, Hitler was prepared to accept limited adherence to the Axis, for all he required was the use of the Belgrade (Beograd)-Nis-Salonika railroad. (Rail connections through Bulgaria were poor.) The Yugoslav government resisted the overtures, but in mid-March, after having refused several earlier invitations, it suddenly changed its policy and offered to sign the Tripartite Pact. The ceremony was held in Vienna on March 25. A day and a half later, on the night of March 26-27, a military coup d'etat forced Prince Regent Paul into exile... a new government... refused to ratify Yugoslavia's signature.


On March 27, HITLER DECLAIRED THAT HE WAS DETERMINED "TO DESTROY YUGOSLAVIA AS A MILITARY POWER AND A SOVEREIGN STATE," and he ordered the Wermacht staff to complete military preparation at the greatest possible speed...

In the early morning of April 6, German planes bombed Belgrade. They came in at rooftop level, and in an hour and a half killed more than 17,000 of the city's inhabitants...

> Source:
Encyclopedia Americana, edition 1993, Volume 29, pages 442, 443, entry: World War II, Author: Earl F. Zemke, Historian, Office of the Chief of Military History, Department of the Army


During the delirious celebrations in Belgrade, in which a crowd spat on the German minister's car, the Serbs had shown where their sympathies lay.

The coup in Belgrade threw Adolf Hitler into one of the wildest rages of his entire life. He took it as a personal affront and in his fury made sudden decisions which would prove utterly dissastrous to the fortunes of the Third Reich.

He hurriedly summoned his military chieftans to the Chancellery in the Berlin on March 27 - the meeting was so hastly called that Brauchitsch, Halder and Ribbentrop arrived late - and raged about the revenge he would take on Yugoslavs... He was therefore determined,... "to destroy Yugoslavia militarily and as a nation. No diplomatic inquiries will be made," he ordered, "and no ultimatums presented." Yugoslavia, he added, would be crushed with "unmerciful harshness." He ordered Goering then and there to "destroy Belgrade in attacks by waves," with bombers operating from Hungarian air bases. He issued Directive No. 25 for the immediate invasion of Yugoslavia and told Keitel and Jodl to work out that very evening the military plans. He instructed Ribentrop to advise [the German allies] Hungary, Rumania and Italy that they would all get a slice of Yugoslavia, which would be divided up among them, except for a Croatian state.

And then, according to an underlined passage in the top-secret OKW notes of the meeting (1), Hitler announced the most fateful decision of all.

"The beginninig of the Barbarossa opreration [attack on Russia]," he told his generals, "will have to be postponed up to four weeks." (It had originally been set for May 15 in the directive of December 18, 1940).

> Source: "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" A History of Nazi Germany by William L. Shirer, Simon and Schuster, New York, 1960



The streets of Belgrade were soon thronged with Serbs, chanting,
"Rather war than the pact;
rather death than slavery!"

> Source: Winston S. Churchill, "MEMOIRS of the Second World War, an abridgment of the six volumes of The Second World War", page 424, Bonanza Books, New York, 1978





Hitler oganized grand welcoming ceremony and guards of honour for 'slavic sub-human' Knez Pavle and his wife. He even personally waited for them to arrive at the train station in Berlin in 1939.
...

http://media.iwm.org.uk/iwm/mediaLib/294/media-294202/large.jpg

Look how happy they are. They like each other! Nobody means any harm. :rofl

Does this prove anything? No it doesn't. This is not an argument, Serbian. *shrug*

Should your medieval ancestors succumb to Turkish advancements? Should they accept them as their masters without a fight?

"Rather war than the pact;
rather death than slavery!"

This is pride, Serbian. Even when you know, that you have no chance winning a battle, you at least die honorably. Because death is better than treachery.

dr. Vojislav Seselj about WW2 - YouTube

7:42 - skip to this point, if you don't have time watching the whole video.

Шешељ speaks about "7th SS Volunteer Mountain Division Prinz Eugen", which was formed in 1941 from Volksdeutsche (German) volunteers and conscripts from the Banat, Independent State of Croatia (NDH), Hungary and Romania.

The division is infamous for its cruelty and massive atrocities committed in the area of Nikšić in Montenegro:

"Everything they came across they burnt down, they murdered and pillaged. The officers and men of the SS division Prinz Eugen committed crimes of an outrageous cruelty on this occasion. The victims were shot, slaughtered and tortured, or burnt to death in burning houses. Where a victim was found not in his house but on the road or in the fields some distance away, he was murdered and burnt there. Infants with their mothers, pregnant women and frail old people were also murdered. In short, every civilian met with by these troops in these villages was murdered. In many cases, whole families who, not expecting such treatment or lacking the time for escape, had remained quietly in their homes were annihilated and murdered. Whole families were thrown into burning houses in many cases and thus burnt. It has been established from the investigations entered upon that 121 persons, mostly women, and including 30 persons aged 60-92 years and 29 children of ages ranging from 6 months to 14 years, were executed on this occasion in the horrible manner narrated above. The villages [and then follows the list of the villages] were burnt down and razed to the ground."

— Dr. Dušan Nedeljković, Yugoslav State Commission, Document D-940

No proud Slav supports Hitler. Even far right one.

I smell bagels.

I thought I smelled bagels. But

Says the Jew. Have another bagle fagstein.

Make up your mind already, Mister "Brown-sweater" Rogers.

Never heard of the place. You mean Laibach? :D

German Neo-Nazis dream about "German" Ljubljana, just like Nazis did before them.

I would quote Skadi and Thiazi forums, but "unfortunately", they were shut down. *shrug*

Kajtimar, how about we transfer the Kuća cveća
I have never stated I support Tito nor Yugoslavia. *shrug*

No proud Slav supports Hitler. Even far right one.


Are you ignorant of the movement in Russia or are you purposely trolling? :rofl

Not all things are black and white as you are attempting to present here. I already know about all the stuff you post in your links, there is nothing new that you are going to come up with which we haven't heard/read before in official communist Yugoslav history class. Your claim that Hitler wanted to 'exterminate the slavs' is ridiculous and is in the same category as 'he wanted to rule the world, eliminate non blue eyed people, he was a homosexual, dug addict, insane, etc. No man has been lied about more in human history than Adolf Hitler.


The only reason Павле Карађорђевић (Prince Paul) signed the Tripartite Pact was to keep Yugoslavia out of the war. When France was defeated, he saw no other option, so he succumbed to Axis' pressure. But even then he remained openly pro-Allied. He helped Greeks when their country was attacked. He was maintaining the collaboration between the French and Yugoslav armies. And for three years he resisted the power of Axis.

What was wrong with keeping Yugoslavia out of the war? Why should Yugoslavia have been pushed into something which didn't directly concern it? For the sake of Churchill's jews and the Soviets? Do you care so little for lives of the people of Yugoslavia that you are happy that they were pushed into a completely unnecessary war which resulted in Tito's communists coming to power? That doesn't sound pro Slavic to me.

on March 27 in the early morning hours, the SERB PEOPLE and parts of the army who remonstrated against the surrender to the FASCIST PRESSURE, OVERTHREW THE GOVERNMENT, under the leadership of the chief of Yugoslav aviation, Gen. Dušan Simović, who became prime minister. King Peter II assumed the government amid UNPRECEDENTED SCENES OF PUBLIC REJOICING ON THE PART OF SERB PEOPLE, WHO SAW THEIR LIBERTY AND THEIR HONOUR SAVED. Under Gen. Simović, Dr. Vladimir Maček continued as vice-premier. Regent Paul fled to Greece, and the former premier and foreign minister were arrested. THERE WAS NO DOUBT THAT THE COUP WAS A RESULT OF AN OVERWHELMING POPULAR DETERMINATION AMONG THE SERBS, A REAL POPULAR UPRISING backed by a large majority of the army.



On whose payroll was Simovic?

Yeah, 'bolje rob nego rob, bolje rat nego pakt', such vomit inducing slogans for imbeciles and future cannon fodder for ZOG.

It wasnt very difficult for rabble rousers in the pay of the British together with communists and brainwashed liberals to fire up the naive and stupid masses, playing on outdated 19th and early 20th century blind reactionary Euro nationalism. Look how easy it was to whip the British people up over Hitler, even the kwans who were all the way across the ocean fell for it. When we also understand how the universities and urban centres were hot spots for radical anglophile activism and anti NS ideology it was to be expected.

Yugoslavs were not so accommodating. But their stubbornness only spurred on the Germans to bring them into camp too. On March 4-5 [1941], the Regent, Prince Paul [of Yugoslavia], was summoned in great secrecy to the Berghof by the Fuehrer, given the usual threats and, in addition, offered the bribe of Salonika [Greece]. On March 25, the Yugoslav Premier, Dragisha Cvetkovic, and Foreign Minister Aleksander Cincer-Markovic, having slipped surreptitiously out of Belgrade the night before to avoid hostile demonstrations or even kidnapping, arrived in Vienna, where in the presence of Hitler and Ribbentrop they signed up Yugoslavia to the Tripartite Pact... The Yugoslav leaders were given two letters from Ribbentrop confirming Germany's "determination" to respect "the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Yugoslavia at all times" and promising that the Axis would not demand transit rights for its troops across Yugoslavia "during this war".




So basically just wanting the country to remain neutral, guaranteeing its borders, and even offering access to the sea in Solun, was an attack on Yugoslavia? Great logic there. The Tripartite Pact was really horrid right? NDH Jasenovac and Tito's communists was a much better option for Serbs. But I understand you as you are not Serbian so what do you care.

In the case of Yugoslavia, Hitler was prepared to accept limited adherence to the Axis, for all he required was the use of the Belgrade (Beograd)-Nis-Salonika railroad. (Rail connections through Bulgaria were poor.) The Yugoslav government resisted the overtures, but in mid-March, after having refused several earlier invitations, it suddenly changed its policy and offered to sign the Tripartite Pact. The ceremony was held in Vienna on March 25. A day and a half later, on the night of March 26-27, a military coup d'etat forced Prince Regent Paul into exile... a new government... refused to ratify Yugoslavia's signature

Again your quotes are just proving my points.

On March 27, HITLER DECLAIRED THAT HE WAS DETERMINED "TO DESTROY YUGOSLAVIA AS A MILITARY POWER AND A SOVEREIGN STATE," and he ordered the Wermacht staff to complete military preparation at the greatest possible speed...

In the early morning of April 6, German planes bombed Belgrade. They came in at rooftop level, and in an hour and a half killed more than 17,000 of the city's inhabitants...

> Source:


Im not going to go into exact numbers as they vary {of course even one innocent civilian is too much} but that is the unfortunate consequence of not minding your own business and stupidly putting yourself in a position between two big powers. Civilians died all over Europe killed by all sides. Tragic and could have been prevented.

Anyway read this
SAVEZNIČKO BOMBARDOVANJE SRBIJE U II SVETSKOM RATU
http://srpskifront.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=612




The coup in Belgrade threw Adolf Hitler into one of the wildest rages of his entire life. He took it as a personal affront and in his fury made sudden decisions which would prove utterly dissastrous to the fortunes of the Third Reich.



Well Hitler in the end did break his teeth on Yugoslavia, just as did Austro-Hungarian empire, just as did the Ottoman Empire. Then during the Cold War neither NATO nor Warsaw pact could dominate it. That still doesn't change the fact that Hitler's initial offer and hand of friendship was genuine and should have been accepted. His total anger and rage was a result of him genuinely feeling betrayed after all he had done, he didn't even think that something like this could happen and that Yugoslavia would betray him. If he wasn't counting on Belgrade he wouldn't have shown such emotion and rage as he did, it really affected him.


The streets of Belgrade were soon thronged with Serbs, chanting,
"Rather war than the pact;
rather death than slavery!"



As I explained before in the post, nothing easier than to stoke the fire of the masses with propaganda.


Look how happy they are. They like each other! Nobody means any harm.

Does this prove anything? No it doesn't. This is not an argument, Serbian

Jewish USSR was a direct existential threat not only to Germany but all of Europe. Hitler attmpted to buy some time before the inevitable collision between the forces of good and evil. You cant seriously say that Yugoslavia was on the same level as the Soviet Union.


Should your medieval ancestors succumb to Turkish advancements? Should they accept them as their masters without a fight?



Comparing apples and oranges. Turks are non Europeans who came to conquer destroy and enslave Europe. Turks were not offering anything to Serbia unlike Hitler.

Some fools in Serbia will attack us and call us traitors by comparing Hitler to zionist NATO criminals that bombed us and took our land, but that is so absurd because of the fact that Hitler wasn't demanding we give up our land, in fact he was even going to give Serbia access to the port of Solun. Hitler was also the man who fought against the NATO pact of his time, the anglo-americans.


This is pride, Serbian. Even when you know, that you have no chance winning a battle, you at least die honorably. Because death is better than treachery

I agree here he is a character.:D

7:42 - skip to this point, if you don't have time watching the whole video.

Шешељ speaks about "7th SS Volunteer Mountain Division Prinz Eugen", which was formed in 1941 from Volksdeutsche (German) volunteers and conscripts from the Banat, Independent State of Croatia (NDH), Hungary and Romania.

The division is infamous for its cruelty and massive atrocities committed in the area of Nikšić in Montenegro:



There were also a small number of Serbs, even Ukrainians and others in the division, anyone who had even distant German ancestry joined, many of them also served in the former Yugolsav army.

What is funny is you have some Croats claiming this

'Pokolj u Lovrecu 22. srpnja 1943. je bio pokolj kojeg su pocinili pripadnici pripadnici nekoliko stotina Talijana iz divizije "Bergamo", skupa sa stotinjak kninskih cetnika popa Ðujica, te oko stotinu (pretežito vojvodanskih) Nijemaca, s kojima su bili i vojvodanski Srbi (SS-ova folksdojcerska divizija Princ Eugen).

Now what about the SDK which you don't mention and its successes against the communists.



As for Seselj in general, he is not a Serbian NS nor does he speak for the movement in Serbia. I support him fully in his fight against the anti Serbian Zionist Hague Tribunal [where he has been languishing for a decade without them being able to prove anything against him], and I generally support his stance regarding Serbian national borders {with some adjustments}. Having said that I am not a follower of some of the more reactionary stuff he represents. Also going on about the Vatican and Germany instead of blaming jews is not really something I care too much about, not that Germany or the Vatican played positive roles in Serbian affairs during the break up of Yugosalvia during the 90's, but in the end they were just going along with ZOG policy.

Read this and educate yourself Kajtimar, that is if you are not just a troll here to fuck around.

The Agony of Yugoslavia

by Milan Banic

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/lettersOct-Nov03/11404banicyugo.htm

and

http://www.skrewdriver.org/serb.html

In 1941 the Germans started to mass kill first Slovene hostages in order to frighten the local people and prevent them to join the national resistance.

http://img.rtvslo.si/_up/upload/2012/10/02/64918299_celje.jpg




Those are not German Army uniforms. The light machine gun looks like the Czech type related to the British Bren[Brno Enfield].

Kajtimar, I have shown you overwhelming evidence that the National Socialists viewed many Slavs as Aryans, the ones that weren't were the communist and Jewish associated ones, or the ones who opposed Germanisation.

Why is it so hard for you to grasp?

You try and show me evidence yet it shows nothing, you show me quotes from a philosopher who pretended to be Polish and not German, he wasn't even a National Socialist.

Do you know that Hitler wanted actually to take back parts of Poland under a friendly way first and offered peace many times between 1936-1939?

Jewish Bolshevism was and is the main enemy of any National Socialist, this was very popular and supported in eastern Europe which is why Hitler said they belong to it.

I also stated before, it dates back to his teenage years when he was in Vienna when Austria was under the Austria-Hungary dual monarchy and Austria had many other non-Austrian German ethnic groups there, Hitler was a German nationalist and did not want Austria to become Slavic.

I don't understand why you are saying that I am wrong - I am not.

There is not one quote or anything that Hitler or ANY National Socialist says that Slavs are not Aryan, just they were "subhuman" or "inferior" to Germanic people, I never doubted that.

*Lol!*

Finnish people? Hungarian people? They are NOT Slavs, haha!

Speaking of Hungarians:

> Hungarians occupied the major part of Prekmurje.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Provincia_di_Lubiana1941-1943.jpg

Hungarians were implementing magyarisation in Slovenia.

Okay. According to you, Estonians, my people, are descended from Finns and use a Hungarian language, but Finns and Hungarians are not Slavic.

[/QUOTE]The Estonians are a Finnic people, and the official language, Estonian, is a Finno-Ugric language closely related to Finnish and to Hungarian.[/QUOTE]

Which is it sir? Also, I do not even understand the point of this entire thread except to cause dissent, as if there were not enough already. I do not see very much evidence that Hitler hated Slavs. They may not have been his favorite people but many Slavs fought alongside National Socialist Germany in WW2. Also, Wikipedia as a source is not the most reliable one, especially on race and ethnicity.

As for name calling, I believe I have called it as I see it.

http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/81/7781-004-C237559D.jpg
Nicolaus Copernicus

The National Socialists based their scientific weltanschauung on Nicolaus Copernicus' discovery that the Earth orbited the Sun. He was Polish and I assume Slavic.

Here's something from an antifa, and even he admits it:
http://www.ukemonde.com/zhydy/jewsandcommunism.html

Not widely discussed in examinations of World War II is the fact that many eastern Europeans, including Ukrainians, Russians, Belarussians, and Baltic's, considered the 1941 German invasion of Russia, at least in its early stages, as liberation from Soviet communist oppression.

Many prominent Soviet officials, including political Commissars, party officials, and NKVD agents would be rounded up and shot, as a form of vigilante justice and an inordinate number of these officials were Jews. Scores of Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarussians were motivated to join forces with the Germans in order to crush Stalin.
:D sweet justice
Other goodies:
It is an unpleasant fact that many of the worst Communists, those associated with many of the worst atrocities, were of Jewish background. Lavrenti Beria brought about the infamous Katyn massacre and other atrocities. Lazar Kaganovich, who personally claimed to be responsible for 20 million killed, stood atop the rubble of a Christian church proclaiming, "Mother Russia has been cast down, we have torn away her skirts!" Genrikh Yagoda sent hundreds of thousands to work on the Baltic Sea canal project where countless numbers of Russians, Ukrainians, and Baltic's perished. Natalfy Frenkel and Mathias Berman founded the infamous Gulag system, with camps commanded by figures such as Rappoport, Solz, and Spiegelglas, all of whom are mentioned at length in the work of Sozhenitzen. Ilya Ehrenburg, the World War II communist counterpart to Goebbels, incited Soviet troops to rape and maim German, Polish, and Czech women as a form of punishment.
My favorite story is, when Yagoda was on trial, him begging Stalin for his life like the little Jew sissy faggot pervert that he was.

/thread, you can leave now you antifa turd. You're not a real Slav.

/thread, you can leave now you antifa turd. You're not a real Slav.

He's not one of us that's for sure.


the "nation" is a social construct.

Saying "Declares War", and "Boycotting Germany" are 2 different things. Declaring War means you intend to directly attack the said country in the future.

I'm not arguing that the Germans didn't shoot some Jews, my problem is with the 6 million number. As far as I'm concerned the Polish deserved it. If they knew they weren't in any position to defend themselves against Germany then they should have given into their demands which were really simple actually, return what belonged to Germany to begin with.

War is not just a military operation. It can mean anything, including an economic one. The Jews waged a economic war on Germany.

Look at the economic war that has been waged on Iran by the West.


That is why the "nation" is a social construct.

No Nation is a political construct influenced by the ethnic group(s) living within those political boundaries

Anyone who has read Mein Kampf knows he was anti Slav. BUT...we have a new situation wh re we dont really have the luxury of squabbling localy about our white neighbors and keeping our culture "all british" or even "german" anymore....... we need to be thrilled that they are not jews, chinks, or nigs.......

Its not about bei ng a sub culture of white for us now..... its about being simply WHITE.

So Hitlers ideals were correct they were just based on a different scale at a different time. His principles are still solid.... but the game has changed.

http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/81/7781-004-C237559D.jpg
Nicolaus Copernicus

The National Socialists based their scientific weltanschauung on Nicolaus Copernicus' discovery that the Earth orbited the Sun. He was Polish and I assume Slavic.
Copernicus was born in Poland, but the area he was in had been under Teutonic knights control before that. Historians today argue that he identified with no modern ethinicity ; being mainly "Prussian".

That might explain it then....

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_YYMeAu4i7gA/SxKAzhupkeI/AAAAAAAAHDU/y4mpp4L2nic/s1600/joseph-goebbels-nazi-germany-amazing-incredible-unknown-love-affair-third-reich.jpg

Like someone else mentioned earlier, Goebbels' dated a Czech actress called Lida Baarova.

Can this please be moved out of the "Nazis: The facts" forum?

This sub forum is meant to portray exactly that, facts, not the whining of some neo-marxist anti-fa.

:jew: :fag: :troll The only Slavs Hitler hated were the non white looking Slavs, do you want me to start posting pictures of the non white looking Slavs?

Anyone who has read Mein Kampf knows he was anti Slav. BUT...we have a new situation wh re we dont really have the luxury of squabbling localy about our white neighbors and keeping our culture "all british" or even "german" anymore....... we need to be thrilled that they are not jews, chinks, or nigs.......

Its not about bei ng a sub culture of white for us now..... its about being simply WHITE.

So Hitlers ideals were correct they were just based on a different scale at a different time. His principles are still solid.... but the game has changed.

There is nowhere in Mein Kampf that Hitler says that Slavs are non-Aryan or so much "inferior" what he does on about was the decline of Germans in the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

Hitler in his book even calls Russians "great people" that the Jews had destroyed.

Many of Hitler's close friends or allies were Slavic.

Goebbels had a Czech girl but this is what the Daily Mail says:

One of his conquests was Czech actress Lida Baarova, but his obsession with her angered Hitler because she was a racially 'inferior' Slav

Load of rubbish.

Hitler was heavily influenced by an Austrian Georg Ritter von Schönerer who was very anti-Slavism and a prominent of Pan-Germanism, you need to understand early 20th century politics to realise both Germanic peoples and Slavs had competition.

:jew: :fag: :troll The only Slavs Hitler hated were the non white looking Slavs, do you want me to start posting pictures of the non white looking Slavs?

Many of the commies were white.

Hitler was heavily influenced by an Austrian Georg Ritter von Schönerer who was very anti-Slavism and a prominent of Pan-Germanism, you need to understand early 20th century politics to realise both Germanic peoples and Slavs had competition.

*Goebbels wanted to divorce his wife, and resign from his post as propaganda minister, in order to marry Lida Baarova, but Hitler objected to this. Not because Lida Baarova was Slavic, but because Goebbels was already a married man, and common knowledge of his infidelity would have been a propaganda disaster for the party, and losing Goebbels during the German war-effort was simply unthinkable.

* According to a BBC documentary I watched on TV.

*Goebbels wanted to divorce his wife, and resign from his post as propaganda minister, in order to marry Lida Baarova, but Hitler objected to this. Not because Lida Baarova was Slavic, but because Goebbels was already a married man, and common knowledge of his infidelity would have been a propaganda disaster for the party, and losing Goebbels during the German war-effort was simply unthinkable.

* According to a BBC documentary I watched on TV.

True, also the rumors of the Goebbels affair with the Czech Baarova broke right in the middle of the Sudetenland crisis (late summer 1938) involving the Czechs so this was considered disgraceful from a Nationalistic point of view. Baarova was married too and her husband was an actor and when he found out about the affair he punched Goebbels right in the face and knocked him down across the floor.

Lot of embarrassingly stupid comments here, and I am not counting Kajtimars.

Just one example, If Hitler was so anti Slavic, as some claim, why didn't he leave Slavic Slovakia to the non Slavic Hungarians who wanted to fully occupy it?

Why not just divide Slovakia between Germany and Hungary? Nothing easier and more logical right?

Could have given Slavonia to Hungary as well.

Hitler may have been more of a 'chauvinist' in his early years, due mainly to the climate at the times and his experiences with the AH Empire, but he later evolved into a pan European leader who had people from every European nation fighting with him against international jewry.

Anyone who has read Mein Kampf knows he was anti Slav. BUT...we have a new situation wh re we dont really have the luxury of squabbling localy about our white neighbors and keeping our culture "all british" or even "german" anymore....... we need to be thrilled that they are not jews, chinks, or nigs.......

Its not about bei ng a sub culture of white for us now..... its about being simply WHITE.

So Hitlers ideals were correct they were just based on a different scale at a different time. His principles are still solid.... but the game has changed.

This is well put. Hitler's nationalism was based on the times. The times have changed and WNs have to change their thinking to White first, nationality or ethnicity second then everything else. If Hitler were alive today he would have undoubtedly thought like this. There is nothing wrong with being proud to be German, Greek, Estonian, English or Slav but be a proud White first and foremost.

Just one example, If Hitler was so anti Slavic, as some claim, why didn't he leave Slavic Slovakia to the non Slavic Hungarians who wanted to fully occupy it?

Why not just divide Slovakia between Germany and Hungary? Nothing easier and more logical right?

Could have given Slavonia to Hungary as well.

Hitler may have been more of a 'chauvinist' in his early years, due mainly to the climate at the times and his experiences with the AH Empire, but he later evolved into a pan European leader who had people from every European nation fighting with him against international jewry.
That's my interpretation as well.

Plus, Hitler had a tendency to bash anyone. He said the French were as lazy and worthless as the Russians and that America was like a third world country with advanced technology. He said the Spanish were untrustworthy religious fanatics and the British were arrogant despite being in decline. He even said purebred Germanics were gullible and poor musicians.

It's hardly something to get upset about.

Nazis launched the realization of genocide in Belarus since the first days of occupation.

List of destroyed Belorussian settlements by Nazis/Список уничтоженных нацистами населённых пунктов Белоруссии:

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_уничтоженных_нацистами_населённых_пунктов_Белоруссии#.D0.9F.D1.80.D0.B8.D0.BC.D0.B5.D1.87.D0.B0.D0.BD.D0.B8.D1.8F

5,295 Belorussian settlements were burned by the Nazis together with all their inhabitants.

Wehrmacht Ober-Gefreite (lance-corporal) Iohannes Gerder used to write in his diary during the first months of staying in Belorussia:
"August, 25. We throw grenades at houses where people live. The houses easily catch fire and burn down fast. Fire jumps over to other log huts. What a spectacular view! People cry and we laught at their tears. We have burnt about 10 villages this way.
August, 29. We grabbed 12 people who we came across in a village and took them to a cemetery. We made them dig a deep and ample grave for themselves.
There is no and there can be no mercy for the Slavs. Damned humanity is alien to us."

http://www.khatyn.by/photo/im_34.jpg http://www.khatyn.by/photo/im_35.jpg http://www.khatyn.by/photo/im_33.jpg

http://www.perspektivy.info/images/cena_podedy/3914-cena_pobedy_13.jpg

Хатынь memorial
http://www.belarus.by/relimages/000656_855181.jpg

Оver 2 000 000 people were killed in Belarus during the three years of Nazi occupation.

>Source: Vitali Silitski (May 2005). "Belarus: A Partisan Reality Show

The Schutzmannschaft Batallion 118, reinforced by troops from the Dirlewanger Brigade, a unit mostly composed of criminals recruited for anti-partisan duties, entered the village and drove the inhabitants from their houses and into a shed, which was then covered with straw and set on fire. The trapped people managed to break down the front doors, but in trying to escape, were killed by machine gun fire. 149 people, including 75 children, were killed. The village was then looted and burned to the ground.


В ответ на зверства оккупантов стали формироваться партизанские отряды. К концу 1941 года в рядах партизан сражались 12 000 человек в 230 отрядах. Численность белорусских партизан к концу войны превышала 374 тысяч человек. Они были объединены в 1255 отрядов, из которых 997 входили в состав 213 бригад и полков, а 258 отрядов действовали самостоятельно.

The cruelty of the Nazis caused formation of partisan groups. At the end of 1941 partisan movement was compromised of 12 000 people in 230 squads. The number of Belorussian partisans at the end of the war exceeded 374 000 people.

>Source: Коваленя А. А. и др. Великая Отечественная война советского народа (в контексте Второй мировой войны) / Под ред. А. А. Ковалени, Н. С. Сташкевича, пер. с бел. яз. А. В. Скорохода. — Мн.: Изд. центр БГУ, 2004. — 231 с. — 107 600 экз. — ISBN 985-476-239-4

Are you ignorant of the movement in Russia or are you purposely trolling? :rofl

The biggest and most significant far right nationalist organization in Russia is Русское национальное единство. The official ideology of this party condemns Nazism and Hitler.

Православный русский национализм, который трактуется в рамках особого предназначения русского народа и России перед Богом. Россия признается государством как русских, так и россиян (коренных неславянских народов России). РНЕ имеет относительные монархические симпатии, однако считает, что прежде возрождения самодержавия в России должна установиться Русская национальная диктатура (регентство). Законодательная власть должна строиться на основе сословно-национального представительства.

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Русское_национальное_единство_(1990)#.D0.98.D0.B4.D0.B5.D0.BE.D0.BB.D0.BE.D0.B3.D0.B8.D1.8F

It's clearly Christian and pro-monarchy.

Showing me a picture of disorganized teen clowns giving a Roman salute does not prove much.

Гитлер же для нас - преступник номер один. Во-первых, потому, что мы славяне, во-вторых, потому, что у нас воевали отцы и деды. У меня лично дед потерял ногу на войне. Поэтому как можно сравнивать нас с фашистами, национал-социалистами? Те, кто читал «Майн Кампф», знают, что последняя глава посвящена уничтожению славян. Как я могу почитать Гитлера, копировать что-то?!

--- http://soratnik.com/massmedia/m66_6.html

Oh, look. He is basically saying "a Slav cannot be a supporter of Hitler". Look for the reasons in this thread.


+ I post sources. Where are your sources, Neo-Nazis? You cannot possibly expect me to reply sourceless posts.

Read this and educate yourself Kajtimar, that is if you are not just a troll here to fuck around.

The Agony of Yugoslavia

by Milan Banic

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/lettersOct-Nov03/11404banicyugo.htm

and

http://www.skrewdriver.org/serb.html

Post valid sources, Serbian.

A "skrewdriver" link? Are you serious?

All your posts are merely an opinion.

Okay. According to you, Estonians, my people, are descended from Finns and use a Hungarian language, but Finns and Hungarians are not Slavic.

You clearly are a confused little mutt. Read again. And then again. In time, you will get the gist of my post.

Says the Jew. Have another bagle fagstein.




Nonsense. There are Poles living in Germany and they remain Polish, not German.

Vargy boy, ban the rule breaker.

You're not a real Slav.

Define a "real Slav", tepček.

Those are not German Army uniforms. The light machine gun looks like the Czech type related to the British Bren[Brno Enfield].
The Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS in particular quite liked the vz. 26. They appropriated thousands of them when they were setting up the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia (an entity which had Czech money, courts and schools that supported the Czechs culturally). I'd imagine what we're seeing in the photo is an allied formation (Slavic Croatians?) using purchased vz. 26s formerly used by the SS.

Anyone who has read Mein Kampf knows he was anti Slav. BUT...we have a new situation wh re we dont really have the luxury of squabbling localy about our white neighbors and keeping our culture "all british" or even "german" anymore....... we need to be thrilled that they are not jews, chinks, or nigs.......

Its not about bei ng a sub culture of white for us now..... its about being simply WHITE.

So Hitlers ideals were correct they were just based on a different scale at a different time. His principles are still solid.... but the game has changed.
Good luck explaining this to English proles on VNN.

The Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS in particular quite liked the vz. 26. They appropriated thousands of them when they were setting up the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia (an entity which had Czech money, courts and schools that supported the Czechs culturally). I'd imagine what we're seeing in the photo is an allied formation (Slavic Croatians?) using purchased vz. 26s formerly used by the SS.

Croats were not considered Slavic back in the second Great war.

Just repeating in case anyone missed my previous posts.

The Croats
are very keen on not being regarded as Slavs. According to them, they're descended from the Goths. The fact that they speak a Slav language is only an accident, they say.
--- Hitler

The "Gothic theory" was necessary, so Croats could be accepted as "Aryans" by the Nazis.

Pavelić's own words:

Nikada nije postojala neka obća slavenska sviest, koja bi se mogla ozbiljno suprotstaviti hrvatskoj narodnoj sviesti. (...) Ova neoboriva činjenica pruža nam daljnji dokaz, da Hrvati uobće i nijesu slavenskog, nego gotskog podrijetla, tvrdnja koja je već ozbiljno razpravljena”.

Croats were not considered Slavic back in the second Great war.

Just repeating in case anyone missed my previous posts.

That's funny, because my German grand father and my Pole grand mother would beg to dif.

That's funny, because my German grand father and my Pole grand mother would beg to dif.

Just get out of this thread. Suko pojebana.

Don't you have a Mein Kampf to read? So I guess you probably just skip parts like this one:

For centuries Russia drew nourishment from this Germanic nucleus of its upper leading strata. Today it can be regarded as almost totally exterminated and extinguished. It has been replaced by the Jew. Impossible as it is for the Russian by himself to shake off the yoke of the Jew by his own resources, it is equally impossible for the Jew to maintain the mighty empire forever. He himself is no element of organization, but a ferment of decomposition. The Persian empire in the east is ripe for collapse. And the end of Jewish rule in Russia will also be the end of Russia as a state.
--- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

Croats were not considered Slavic back in the second Great war.
That's not true. They were considered Slavic long before being incorporated in a country known as 'South Slavia.'

Whatever they consider themselves is besides the point.
Just repeating in case anyone missed my previous posts.
I think most here care not for your posts.
The "Gothic theory" was necessary, so Croats could be accepted as "Aryans" by the Nazis.
The NSDAP used the Meyers Konversations-Lexikon as their inspiration and understanding of the Aryan race. The theory of course was nothing new to Europe, and if you look at the information in said lexicon, you'll find that Slavs were in fact considered Aryan by the NSDAP for linguistic reasons. They were keen, of course, to point out the degeneration of many Slavs in the East due to alcoholism, interbreeding with Altaics and Bolshevization, but the number to the song of about 3,000,000 Russians fought and died for Europe. Slavic Russians, of course.

Also, I find it comical to see this line of argument from people like you when the question that really needs to be begged is that, if Nazis were so keen on genociding other Aryans, why is it that Russians, Ukrainians, Belorussians, Poles, Yugoslavs etc. were quick to voluntarily leave with the retreating German armies rather than to be liberated by their own kin? The simple answer of course, the Germans were a lot better treating civilians in the east than the Bolsheviks, and Stalin has duped yet another Slav.

Just get out of this thread. Suko pojebana.

Don't you have a Mein Kampf to read? So I guess you probably just skip parts like this one:

Nice, you piece of trash.

Kajtimar, I have shown you overwhelming evidence that the National Socialists viewed many Slavs as Aryans, the ones that weren't were the communist and Jewish associated ones, or the ones who opposed Germanisation.

Why is it so hard for you to grasp?

You try and show me evidence yet it shows nothing, you show me quotes from a philosopher who pretended to be Polish and not German, he wasn't even a National Socialist.

Do you know that Hitler wanted actually to take back parts of Poland under a friendly way first and offered peace many times between 1936-1939?

Jewish Bolshevism was and is the main enemy of any National Socialist, this was very popular and supported in eastern Europe which is why Hitler said they belong to it.

I also stated before, it dates back to his teenage years when he was in Vienna when Austria was under the Austria-Hungary dual monarchy and Austria had many other non-Austrian German ethnic groups there, Hitler was a German nationalist and did not want Austria to become Slavic.

I don't understand why you are saying that I am wrong - I am not.

There is not one quote or anything that Hitler or ANY National Socialist says that Slavs are not Aryan, just they were "subhuman" or "inferior" to Germanic people, I never doubted that.

Shut up!

You post no sources.

Your statements are clearly lies.

Quotes from Mein Kampf alone refute your statements and show that Hitler wanted to expand East and drive off the native inhabitants.

Quotes from Mein Kampf alone refute your statements and show that Hitler wanted to expand East and drive off the native inhabitants.
The Lebensraum in question is of course the Danzig corridor, the incorporation of some into the West Prussian Gaue and the Warthegau. The rest of Poland would become a protectorate, like Bohemia and Moravia. The Poles were allowed courts and their own money, but no police forces, like the Czechs enjoyed.

Also, likely, the Germans were planning on building mid sized towns, 30-50k in population all over the Polish protectorate, called the General Governorship, as Poland lacked such centers which made their manufacturing centralized and inefficient.

There were no plans on adding Russian land to the Reich other than Bialystok.

The Lebensraum in question is of course the Danzig corridor, the incorporation of some into the West Prussian Gaue and the Warthegau. The rest of Poland would become a protectorate, like Bohemia and Moravia. The Poles were allowed courts and their own money, but no police forces, like the Czechs enjoyed.

Also, likely, the Germans were planning on building mid sized towns, 30-50k in population all over the Polish protectorate, called the General Governorship, as Poland lacked such centers which made their manufacturing centralized and inefficient.

There were no plans on adding Russian land to the Reich other than Bialystok.

Look, cocksucker, someone who know's what he's talking about.

The NSDAP used the Meyers Konversations-Lexikon as their inspiration and understanding of the Aryan race. The theory of course was nothing new to Europe, and if you look at the information in said lexicon, you'll find that Slavs were in fact considered Aryan by the NSDAP for linguistic reasons. They were keen, of course, to point out the degeneration of many Slavs in the East due to alcoholism, interbreeding with Altaics and Bolshevization, but the number to the song of about 3,000,000 Russians fought and died for Europe. Slavic Russians, of course.

Even Nazis were not stupid enough to deny the Indo-European theory. Yes, of course. Slavs were considered "Aryan" for linguistics reasons. But in that case, Indians should be considered "Aryan" as well.

The problem is:

Untermensch (German for under man, sub-man, sub-human; plural: Untermenschen) is a term that became infamous when the Nazi racial ideology used it to describe "inferior people", especially "the masses from the East," that is Jews, Gypsies, and Slavic peoples including Poles, Serbs, Belarusians, Russians and Rusyns

why is it that Russians, Ukrainians, Belorussians, Poles, Yugoslavs etc. were quick to voluntarily leave with the retreating German armies rather than to be liberated by their own kin?
Your source? Those few poor human beings were not aware of General Plan Ost.

If we speak of soil [to be conquered for German settlement] in Europe today, we can primarily have in mind only Russia and her vassal border states.
--- Hitler, Adolf (1926). Mein Kampf, Chapter XIV: Eastern Orientation or Eastern Policy

You simply "refute" my statements by saying "not true". I presented sources, which show that Croats and Bulgarians were NOT considered Slavic.

In order to deviate from their ideological theories for strategic reasons by forging alliances with Croatia (a puppet state recently created after the Invasion of Yugoslavia) and Bulgaria, the Croats were officially described as "more Germanic than Slav", a notion supported by Croatia's fascist dictator Ante Pavelić who maintained that the Croatians were descendants of the ancient Goths and "had the Panslav idea forced upon them as something artificial". Hitler also deemed the Bulgarians to be Turkoman in origin.
--- Rich, Norman (1974). Hitler's War Aims: the Establishment of the New Order, p. 276-7. W. W. Norton & Company Inc., New York

Когда вы, друзья мои, сражаетесь на Востоке, вы продолжаете ту же борьбу против того же недочеловечества, против тех же низших рас, которые когда-то выступали под именем гуннов, позднее — 1000 лет назад во времена королей Генриха и Оттона I, — под именем венгров, а впоследствии под именем татар; затем они явились снова под именем Чингисхана и монголов. Сегодня они называются русскими под политическим знаменем большевизма.

— Выступление рейхсфюрера Генриха Гиммлера в Штеттине 13 июля 1941 года

Аha. What's that you're a saying Mr Himmler? You are fighting a war in the East against "subhuman hordes"? These "subhuman hordes" are called "Russians"?

Славяне должны на нас работать. В той мере, в какой они нам не нужны, они могут вымирать. Поэтому обязательное проведение прививок и медицинское обслуживание со стороны немцев является излишним. Размножение славян нежелательно.

Martin Borman, are you saying Slavs should work for Germans? What's that? If we are not needed, we should die? My god. You are saying "Slavic procreation is not desirable".

НЮРНБЕРГСКИЙ ПРОЦЕСС СБОРНИК МАТЕРИАЛОВ ТОМ II// Государственное издательство юридической литературы, МОСКВА • 1954

Должны быть уничтожены все представители польской интеллигенции — это звучит жестоко, но таков жизненный закон
Martin Borman,

the Polish intelligentsia must perish? ALL of them? The joke's on you, for Nazis are dead, haha.

The rule of life... :rofl

Himmler The Jester and his views on Nordic race:

Вследствие большей плодовитости других народов, между этими народами и нами возникает жёсткая конкуренция.
Если мы сами не позаботимся о соответствующем численном приросте нашего народа и об укреплении его нордической наследственности, то, в таком случае, нордическая кровь будет всё настырнее вытесняться кровью восточной.
Только немецкое крестьянство образует там естественную защитную преграду на пути проникновения восточных народов.
Крупномасштабная колонизационная деятельность по заселению наших восточных земель нордическими крестьянами позволит нам создать преграду на пути вторжения восточных людей.

Only the "German blood" is defending the Nordic race from mixing with the "Eastern blood"?

Ганс-Ульрих фон Кранц. Аненербе. «Наследие предков», Вектор, СПб, 2006, c. 72

Even Nazis were not stupid enough to deny the Indo-European theory. Yes, of course. Slavs were considered "Aryan" for linguistics reasons. But in that case, Indians should be considered "Aryan" as well.
Yes, there were several Iranians with Ariernachweisen in Germany at the time.
Your source? Those few poor human beings were not aware of General Plan Ost.
Well other than the Estonian woman down my road and potentially my girlfriend's grandmother? The millions of civilians that escaped with the German army and moved to North America.

Don't take my word for it, listen to this Ukrainian woman. Or collaborator, whatever you subhuman Bolsheviks prattle on about.
Part 9 Adolf Hitler - The greatest story NEVER told! - YouTube
You simply "refute" my statements by saying "not true". I presented sources, which show that Croats and Bulgarians were NOT considered Slavic.
Yeah, I'll take the actions and deeds of millions of Slavs who fought for Europe, including Russians, Belorussians and Ukrainians, over the word of some Marxist reject who cowers in fear at the implication of an emerging Germanic race. I personally think Slovenia is a whore of a nation, and exists only because she's sucking off the German dick of the European Union, and being fucked by Germanic America simultaneously.

Nigel Thornberry is cherry picking testimonies of Eastern European persons and trying to present them as a legitimate proof, which should show that Germans were in fact "Slavic allies".

lol

I personally think

Nobody cares what you think, fruitcake.

Well at the time they weren't allies of the Ukrainians. The Ukrainians merely saw them as liberators. Bolshevik partisans, who you fervently masturbate to, butchered more Ukrainian civilians than the Germans could have hoped to.

Not just butchered but raped, mutilated, and murdered. Standard Bolshevik operating procedure.

If you want some more proof, try reading say Erich von Manstein's Lost Victories, instead of Stalin-kike propaganda.

Of course, I don't actually care what you think, but I do care about what others here think, as they are much more intelligent and useful than you are.

Hitler hated slavs..he never traveled outside of Germany, so when they invaded Poland and they discovered all these Blond Poles, Himmler and him couldn't believe it, all the poles that they knew were dark poles who emigrated. (They didn't have the internet back then.)

Nobody cares what you think, fruitcake.
That's a laugh, I practically lead an army here, you'd do well to put your head down whenever I strut by.

Well at the time they weren't allies of the Ukrainians. The Ukrainians merely saw them as liberators. Bolshevik partisans, who you fervently masturbate to, butchered more Ukrainian civilians than the Germans could have hoped to.

Not just butchered but raped, mutilated, and murdered. Standard Bolshevik operating procedure.

If you want some more proof, try reading say Erich von Manstein's Lost Victories, instead of Stalin-kike propaganda.

I post neutral sources. You post none.

Not just butchered but raped, mutilated, and murdered. Standard Bolshevik operating procedure.

Source?

Hitler hated slavs..he never traveled outside of Germany, so when they invaded Poland and they discovered all these Blond Poles, Himmler and him couldn't believe it, all the poles that they knew were dark poles who emigrated. (They didn't have the internet back then.)
Haha.

Hitler traveled to France, knocked up some French chick, and was in Austria as well, granted that's all German land.

I do know he was horrified at the implication of a volunteer Polish army, resembling Napoleon's distaste for them as soldiers. :D

Of course, I don't actually care what you think, but I do care about what others here think, as they are much more intelligent and useful than you are.

I'm glad people like you find me useless.

Hitler hated slavs..he never traveled outside of Germany, so when they invaded Poland and they discovered all these Blond Poles, Himmler and him couldn't believe it, all the poles that they knew were dark poles who emigrated. (They didn't have the internet back then.)

I laughed, but thank you for proving my point that "white nationalism" is fundamentally Nordicist and Neo-Nazi.

I post neutral sources. You post none.
I've cited Lost Victories, which cover the barbarity of the Bolsheviks, especially with the mutilation, rape and killing of both civilians and German soldiers in the East at that time, and also the mass exodus of smart civilians leaving with the Germans in the Ukraine and other occupied areas instead of being mass raped by Soviet soldiers, all in one.

Read it.
Source?
Brain?

That's a laugh, I practically lead an army here, you'd do well to put your head down whenever I strut by.
Nevah!

uraclown

I laughed, but thank you for proving my point, that "white nationalism" is fundamentally Nordicist and Neo-Nazi.
What about my grandmother, who looked toke a Dego. !00

And I'll take Erich von Manstein's word over Bolshevik faggots and ru.wikipedia any day.

I've cited Lost Victories, which cover the barbarity of the Bolsheviks, especially with the mutilation, rape and killing of both civilians and German soldiers in the East at that time, and also the mass exodus of smart civilians leaving with the Germans in the Ukraine and other occupied areas instead of being mass raped by Soviet soldiers, all in one.

Read it.

Brain?
The problem with you Neo-Nazis is that you think Communism and Bolshevism are a "Jewish conspiracy" designed to wipe out "white people".

Since your foundations couldn't be more idiotic, it's just best to laugh when Neo-Nazis mention the "rape of the Bolsheviks" and "Jewish murderers of the Tsar family".

Says the Jew. Have another bagle fagstein.

Vargy boy, ban the rule breaker.

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Quite honestly it doesn't matter to me what Bolshevism was founded for or who by.

It killed millions, period. The rape and the butchery of the subhuman Bolshevik is what I stand against. The fact that kikes in the US sent money to fund them and kikes in the USSR were working for it en masse is merely the icing on that cake.

What I hate about you Bolsheviks is that they lie incessantly about Nazis. The Bolsheviks were such a tarnished lot that after Stalin's death the USSR de-bolshevized. Little wonder, Bolshevism fractures and breaks down as not everyone can, as Solzhenitsyn said; pump entire nations through the G. U. Lags with a clear conscience.

Quite honestly it doesn't matter to me what Bolshevism was founded for or who by.

It killed millions, period. The rape and the butchery of the subhuman Bolshevik.

I stopped reading here. What on Earth is a "subhuman Bolshevik"?

You Neo-Nazi morons have no future. Just stop trying.

And people like you actually believe, that "Nationalist Russia" (!) will fund a "white-nationalist" state in North America. Care to expand this little idea a little further?

Do entertain me.

+ Speaking of "killing millions". As if you care about that. Neo-Nazis on this site constantly promote extermination of "lesser races". You are a hypocrite.

At least one can say that the German Reich fell in an epic battle for the soul of Europe.

What can Bolsheviks say? The USSR collapsed quite easily and it wasn't long before Israeli soldiers were in Moscow defending the drunken old cunt Yeltsin and shooting ethnic Russians. The rest of that train ended up selling out Marxism in toto just to keep their governments in power.

North Korea is the last hold out, ironically becoming Nazis to do so.

Croats were not considered Slavic back in the second Great war.

Just repeating in case anyone missed my previous posts.



The "Gothic theory" was necessary, so Croats could be accepted as "Aryans" by the Nazis.

Pavelić's own words:


:rofl


Cak i mnogi hrvati koji simpatisu ustaski pokret priznaju da su to ciste gluposti koje su Pravasi oca nacije Starcevica promovisali zbog politickih razloga, da bi se odvojili od srba i stvorili svoju nacionalnu drzava.

Posto su Srbi bili vezana za slovenstvo a oni su mrzeli srbe normalno da su neki krugovi u hrvatskom korpusu pokusali se odreknu bilo cega sto moze da ih veze za 'neprijatelje', pa cak i svoje bogate slovenske istorije.


Nisi mi jos odgovorio sta uopste trazis ovde?

Ili si se samo registrovao da se zezas sa zlim nacistima, malo da ubijas vreme i da mi dajes negativne palceve?

+ I post sources. Where are your sources, Neo-Nazis? You cannot possibly expect me to reply sourceless posts.
Mein Kampf and (especially) the Table Talks for Hitler's criticism of Americans, the British, the French, and other Germans.

Don't get so butthurt, we don't secretly hate you.

Of course, I don't actually care what you think, but I do care about what others here think, as they are much more intelligent and useful than you are.

You're not one to judge intelligence or usefulness, Vaginal Porncherry. Where's your response to that thread where I schooled you?

You're not one to judge intelligence or usefulness, Vaginal Porncherry. Where's your response to that thread where I schooled you?

You mean the thread where you failed to demonstrate any civilization in USA and Canada and then failed to provide any sort of evidence for advanced civilization elsewhere in the Americas? That's not schooling, that's me being bored of having to educate you on why everything great about modernity is european. Your best argument was that because europeans brought tomatoes from America we somehow stole the knowledge of electricity from you as well :rofl

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b0/Lemberg280443-2.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rRJYqGZ1aHk/Tw6Tyvuq0WI/AAAAAAAAH-k/yAEPnD7MtMA/s1600/waffen-ss-soldiers-welcomed-by-ukrainian-girls.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9xeosxh0I1rflopso1_500.jpg
http://markhumphrys.com/Bitmaps/hitler.5.jpg
So anti-slavic that hurts me. :c

http://photospalestine.free.fr/dieudonne.jpg

Hitler wasn't anywhere near as anti-Slavic as he is made out to be. He certainly didn't care much for Slavs, but he didn't have any kind of vendetta against them. He took back the stolen German land from the Czechs and Poles. What's so anti-Slavic about that?

Slavscum love to leech off of this whole "Hitler was anti-Slavic" myth so they can get some kind of victim status. Because, deep down, they know that they never have and never will be even close to Germanics.

You mean the thread where you failed to demonstrate any civilization in USA and Canada and then failed to provide any sort of evidence for advanced civilization elsewhere in the Americas? That's not schooling, that's me being bored of having to educate you on why everything great about modernity is european. Your best argument was that because europeans brought tomatoes from America we somehow stole the knowledge of electricity from you as well :rofl

LMAO. I schooled multiple fascists in that thread.

I crushed your dumb ass in this post (http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1523953&postcount=93). You never replied. :rofl

I schooled Ian on the subject of bison domestication.

I schooled Dan D'oh on the subjects of paleo-Indian migration to America and the Quaternary extinction event.

I also schooled Spew on the subjects of compasses, the existence of Apachean peoples, the wheel, maize domestication, the history of cattle domestication, and the introduction of agriculture to Europe.

Hitler wasn't anywhere near as anti-Slavic as he is made out to be. He certainly didn't care much for Slavs, but he didn't have any kind of vendetta against them. He took back the stolen German land from the Czechs and Poles. What's so anti-Slavic about that?

Slavscum love to leech off of this whole "Hitler was anti-Slavic" myth so they can get some kind of victim status. Because, deep down, they know that they never have and never will be even close to Germanics.

Slavs are more "Germanic" than the Roman-tainted German population. Im certain the German Barbarians looked more like the Slavs look today than the common city dwelling German you find today. Hell, look at Hitler, his mom looked like a gypsy.

Americans can't grasp the idea that Nazi's were german nationalists first, with only a idealistic lean toward Nordicism due to previous NSDAP party history.

To Europeans WWII was an ethnic/tribal war, to Americans it was some great ideological battle. To brits it was both.

You clearly are a confused little mutt. Read again. And then again. In time, you will get the gist of my post.

I am confused why you are allowed to post your insipid drivel here, but many others are allowed to do that as well so whatever. At any rate, I am one quarter Estonian, Estonians fought under Hitler, I am proud of that fact and that settles it as far as I am concerned. Keep on posting your bullshit, you will get nowhere here.

I am confused
Like I said:
You are a confused little mutt.

While there was a general mood of gratitude towards Germany as the liberator of Estonia from Soviet occupation, this reservoir of goodwill dissipated within the first months of the war and was transformed into a mood ranging from resigned indifference to active hostility.
--- Misiunas, Romuald J.; Rein Taagepera, Georg von Rauch (2010). The Baltic States, years of dependence, 1940-1980. University of California Press. p. 62. ISBN 978-0-520-04625-2

After it became clear that the Germans were against the restoration of independence of the Estonian state, this negative relationship between the new occupiers and the occupied was sealed.
--- Misiunas, Romuald J.; Rein Taagepera, Georg von Rauch (2010). The Baltic States, years of dependence, 1940-1980. University of California Press. p. 62. ISBN 978-0-520-04625-2

The Estonian people regarded German occupation with greater bitterness than the previous 1917–1918 German occupation and were repelled by the implementation of the German race laws and the insouciant exploitation of the country's natural resources. One Dutch Nazi visiting Estonia in June 1942 commented upon the "chauvinist national consciousness" of the Estonian people and no genuine Germanophile could be found.
Misiunas, Romuald J.; Rein Taagepera, Georg von Rauch (2010). The Baltic States, years of dependence, 1940-1980. University of California Press. p. 62. ISBN 978-0-520-04625-2

You need to read more, Irontard.

At least try to read some basic facts about your Finnic ancestors. *shrug*

The Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS in particular quite liked the vz. 26. They appropriated thousands of them when they were setting up the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia (an entity which had Czech money, courts and schools that supported the Czechs culturally). I'd imagine what we're seeing in the photo is an allied formation (Slavic Croatians?) using purchased vz. 26s formerly used by the SS.
Actually, no.

SS divisions in the Balkans were formed from Volksdeutsche volunteers and conscripts. They were using a significant amount of non-standard German weapons and used captured equipment such as Czech machine guns like the ZB-53.

Source: Fleming, David (2003). Weapons of the Waffen-SS. St. Paul, MN: MBI Publishing Company. ISBN 978-0-7603-1594-1

I never said that the soldiers pictured were Waffen-SS, as those are not Waffen-SS uniforms. I think it is an allied formation using a vz. 26 purchased from Germany.

I never said that the soldiers pictured were Waffen-SS, as those are not Waffen-SS uniforms. I think it is an allied formation using a vz. 26 purchased from Germany.
Which uniforms are they wearing then?

These look the same:

http://shrani.si/f/40/g8/hZMPwJx/picture-19.jpg

Which uniforms are they wearing then?

These look the same:

http://shrani.si/f/40/g8/hZMPwJx/picture-19.jpg
No, the M36 tunics pictured do not have buttons on the back like the ones in your propaganda photo.

http://moebius.freehostia.com/m36.gif

Also, those men are in their off-duty dress, with dress shoes, and pants.

Also, the machine-gunner has a single leather belt like a sash over his shoulder. This is also atypical to the German uniform, except for officers, soldiers had their web-belts that looked like 'y' suspenders from the back.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Streljanje_talcev_v_Celju_%281%29.jpg

The caps also seem to be atypical, I know the Germans enjoyed wearing their alpine caps, but those seem starched, like something Croatians wear.

http://i52.tinypic.com/25a0o47.jpg

Visually the uniforms are similar to the Croatian artillery man, listed as number 2 here.

Or this one:

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/2790/picture1368.jpg

Germans preferred 'crushers.'

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Tv4Ks46r_Gs/TubxlLNMnsI/AAAAAAAADrI/hJUGVK14zwY/s1600/Bearded%2BGebirgsjager%2Bsoldier%2Bcolor.jpg

The city of Celje was occupied by Germans. No other occupier was present in 1942. There's no doubt that Germans were responsible for this massacre.

http://museums.si/remote.jpg.ashx?width=475&height=500&format=png&mode=max&scale=both&404=no_image.gif&urlb64=aHR0cHM6Ly9tdXNldW1zLmJsb2IuY29yZS53aW5kb3dzLm5ldC9kYXRhL0RvY3VtZW50cy9BUlRXT1JLUy9tbnpjLzkzNzgvNTcwZmQ4MGYyODQyNDk5YmE5NDgzNWEwZTQ4ZWY5OTQuanBn&hmac=K0HUQsEN5IY

Stari Pisker, 22 july 1942

http://shrani.si/f/i/Ym/2XSlKq5a/untitled1.png

Celje, November in 1942

http://shrani.si/f/f/ap/3XQsjLzZ/untitled23.png

Of course these people are Germans. Notice the little eagle on his shoulder? They are separating mothers from their children.

Anti-tank trenches and other sites were used to create 25 mass graves in Celje and its immediate surroundings and were filled with Croatian, Serbian, and Slovenian militia members that had collaborated with the Germans, as well as civilians that had opposed either the national liberation movement or the communist revolution during the war, civilians of German descent, or simply individuals accused or suspected of anti-communism.

Checkmate, Bolshevist.

Checkmate, Bolshevist.
Domobranci were formed in 1943.

Domobranci were formed in 1943.
The ROA was formed in 1944, yet, there were thousands of Russian units working with the Germans.

The same applies with the Slovenian Home Guard, those units were formed from the village sentries, and other Hiwis.

At any rate, those are not German uniforms, atypical, what you see with the ROA too. Units organized with captured equipment and uniforms. We have photos of Russian Hiwis with Czech army uniforms as well. Nobody says they're Germans.

The ROA was formed in 1944, yet, there were thousands of Russian units working with the Germans.

The same applies with the Slovenian Home Guard, those units were formed from the village sentries, and other Hiwis.

At any rate, those are not German uniforms, atypical, what you see with the ROA too. Units organized with captured equipment and uniforms. We have photos of Russian Hiwis with Czech army uniforms as well. Nobody says they're Germans.
How is this not a German uniform?

http://shrani.si/f/f/ap/3XQsjLzZ/untitled23.png

It clearly is.

The man who we can see is a German SS-Oberscharführer, a squad leader, probably a person who delegates orders to the Slavic auxillaries pictured elsewhere and to the man beside him, again.

This debate is not whether or not one army killed people during WWII. All participants killed civilians, other soldiers, women and children, etc.

I'm merely saying that this event had allies involved, like any other during the course of the war. That there were Slovenian national units under German control is probably more telling that the cooked up propaganda implicating some sort of genocide. How many Slovenes were killed? 525? 66.8% of the population were Germans, and they all miraculously disappeared after the war, found decades later trapped in mine shafts and shallow graves. That's enough for me to conclude that Slovenia ought to disappear from the map.

The ROA was formed in 1944, yet, there were thousands of Russian units working with the Germans.

The same applies with the Slovenian Home Guard, those units were formed from the village sentries, and other Hiwis.
Do you know how many Slovenes were killed by Nazis during WW2? Here is the list of villages in which Germans killed hostages:

Pri Miklavžu na Dravskem polju, v Trbovljah, v Šoštanju, v Pišecah, na Pongracu pri Grižah, v Primožu pri Ljubnem, v Ličah, Čolnišču pri Zagorju, v Velenju, v Vitanju, v Radmirju, v Legnu pri Slovenj Gradcu, v Novi Dobrovi pri Žrečah, v Cezanjevcih pri Ljutomeru, v Zagorju, v Framu, v Pamečah pri Slovenj Gradcu, v Čreti pri Hočah, v Račah, v Cirkovcih, v Laškem, v Staršah na Dravskem polju, v Vojniku, v Vrbančevi ciglenci pri Begunjah, na Brezjanski krtini pri Domžalah, v Ljubnem, v Gorjah pri Bledu, v Jaršah, v Begunjah, v Škocjanu, v Lescah, v Kuharjevem Borštu pri Vodicah, v Lancovem pri Radovljici, v Dragi pri Begunjah, v Kovorju, v Naklu, v Belem polju, pri Bistrici, v Retjah, v Besnici pri Kranju, v Jevnici, v Moravčah, v Lipnici pri Kropi, v Bitnjah, v Bohinjski Soteski, v Gorenji vasi, v Medvodah, v Mengšu, v Kovarju, v Šenčurju, v Mostah pri Žirovnici, za Kamnitnikom pri Škofji Loki, v celjskem Starem piskru

From 27 to 28 of july 1942 143 hostages were shot - in Belo polje 46, in Bistrica 51 etc.

In the region of Spodnja Štajerska the Germans hanged and shot 1.690 Slovenes. On the courtyard of Stari piskr the Nazis were shooting 62, 70, 95, or even 100 hostages at the same time.

Erwin Rösener, SS-gruppenführer, chief of police of the XVIII region was responsible for these crimes.

Erwin Friedrich Karl Rösener (2 February 1902 - 4 September 1946) was an SS-Obergruppenführer (General) who was responsible for mass executions of civilians in Slovenia and was posthumously on the indictment at the Nuremberg Trials for war crimes.

http://i52.tinypic.com/25a0o47.jpg

Visually the uniforms are similar to the Croatian artillery man, listed as number 2 here.
Incidentally Slav ally no. 3 is wearing a Czech helmet.

66.8% of the population were Germans
You are trolling, right? :rofl

*Bolsheprop*
Do you realize the implication of wiping out 66.8% of a population? Even that Slavic Domobranci numbered in around 13,000 men, dwarfing every last civilian put together.

Comparing Bolshevik mass killings with German reprisals and cleansing is laughable. It's like comparing grey whales with microorganisms. Care to dig up any more amoebas for us to laugh at, retard?

Incidentally Slav ally no. 3 is wearing a Czech helmet.
No, he wasn't a "Slav ally". Croats were not considered Slavic. Even their leader thought he was a German. But you knew that.

You are trolling, right? :rofl
The 1910 census recorded 66.8% of the population as German. The town was better known as Celle than Celje. For more information see:

1910 Austro-Hungarian census, Geographischer Atlas zur Vaterlandskunde an der österreichischen Mittelschulen. K. u. k. Hof-Kartographische Anstalt G. Freytag & Berndt, Vienna 1911.

No, he wasn't a "Slav ally". Croats were not considered Slavic. Even their leader thought he was a German. But you knew that.
Language groups are all that matters. Croats were and are Slavs, Serbian schooled you on that, but I guess you flunked out anyway.

Do you realize the implication of wiping out 66.8% of a population? Even that Slavic Domobranci numbered in around 13,000 men, dwarfing every last civilian put together.

Comparing Bolshevik mass killings with German reprisals and cleansing is laughable. It's like comparing grey whales with microorganisms. Care to dig up any more amoebas for us to laugh at, retard?
Naziol Scumberry, you said that 68.8% of population was German, you liar. I never said Germans wanted to exterminate Slovenes. They wanted to deport 260 000 inhabitants and colonize our land with German peasants. The rest of Slovene population was to be germanized. And there is no doubt that Nazis were committing serious war crimes on our soil.

The 1910 census recorded 66.8% of the population as German. The town was better known as Celle than Celje. For more information see:

1910 Austro-Hungarian census, Geographischer Atlas zur Vaterlandskunde an der österreichischen Mittelschulen. K. u. k. Hof-Kartographische Anstalt G. Freytag & Berndt, Vienna 1911.
How is 1910 relevant, you 'tard? And it is well known, that Austrians were implementing germanization on Slavic lands since ever.

Language groups are all that matters. Croats were and are Slavs, Serbian schooled you on that, but I guess you flunked out anyway.
Oh really? Language groups are all that matter? Well then, a mulatto can be considered Swedish, if he is a native speaker of that language. And Serbian never "schooled" me. :rofl He can't even understand my language, while I have no problem with understanding his. Well, Hitler did not consider them Slavic, nor did Pavelić. Read more. I suggest his book "Doživljaji" where he states that Croatian language is in fact Gothic. He even "proved" it with the "comparison" of Croatian and Gothic words. But I have already proved that earlier in this very thread.

Your argument is a failure, Scumberry.

How is 1910 relevant, you 'tard? And it is well known, that Austrians were implementing germanization on Slavic lands since ever.
It would be miraculous, to say the least, if Slovenes managed to become the utter majority of Celjne in 30 years time. With that speed, they'd even outpace Mexicans in their parasitic colonization.

And of course Austrians were Germanizing Balkan Slav lands, they saved you ungrateful assholes from the Turks anyway. Clay is the least you could offer.

Oh really? Language groups are all that matter? Well then, a mulatto can be considered Swedish, if he is a native speaker of that language. And Serbian never "schooled" me. :rofl He can't even understand my language, while I have no problem with understanding his. Well, Hitler did not consider them Slavic, nor did Pavelić. You silly 'tard. Read more. I suggest his book "Doživljaji" where he states, that Croatian language is in fact Gothic. He even "proved" it with the "comparison" of Croat and Gothic words. But I have already proved that earlier in this very thread.

Your argument is a failure, Scumberry.
In 1942, the mulatto argument would be an utter failure.

As in 1942, the era in which we are discussing, there were no such abominations.

There goes your strawman, Kajtimar.

And of course Austrians were Germanizing Balkan Slav lands, they saved you ungrateful assholes from the Turks anyway
That would be the Poles. :rofl Stop being such a German fanboy. You probably don't even speak German. Or do you?

It would be miraculous, to say the least, if Slovenes managed to become the utter majority of Celjne in 30 years time. With that speed, they'd even outpace Mexicans in their parasitic colonization.
Prebivalstvo je v Celju počasi naraščalo. V štiristo letih se je komaj podvojilo. V prvi polovici 19. stoletja je bilo Celje med južnoštajerskimi mesti na tretjem mestu, Maribor je imel 1834, Ptuj pa 1630 prebivalcev. Največ je bilo Slovencev. Nekaj je bilo nemških naseljencev iz Avstrije in deloma iz Nemčije. Po letu 1600 se je naselilo več Italijanov. Naselili so se tudi iz Sudetskih dežel (Čehi, Nemci).
No, Slovenes were always a majority. :rofl

In 1942, the mulatto argument would be an utter failure.

As in 1942, the era in which we are discussing, there were no such abominations.

There goes your strawman, Kajtimar.
Stop failing so hard. You said "Language groups are all that matters" and not "Language groups were all that mattered". *shrug*

That would be the Poles. :rofl Stop being such a German fanboy. You probably don't even speak German. Or do you?
Oh lord, one event in European history allows for the myth to be created.

Let me guess, the Winged Hussars who saved Vienna managed to push all the way to Constantinople and raise the Piast flag from the Hagia Sophia in the process, too? The Austrians just bought it off of them afterwards?

Only communist history would be so utterly destitute to be Pollackian-centric.

Stop failing so hard. You said "Language groups are all that matters" and not "Language groups were all that mattered". *shrug*
When discussing a certain event, the discussion tends to be subjective, that is, in 1942, a nation's language group would define them, like Croats being Slavic. You're reaching, what with English not being your first language. I'm not going to play this semantics game with you, needless to say, Croats were considered Slavic by most of Europe, even if Pavelić or Hitler disagreed.

Stop failing so hard. You said "Language groups are all that matters" and not "Language groups were all that mattered". *shrug*Trailer Park Boys self smarted - YouTube

Oh lord, one event in European history allows for the myth to be created.

Let me guess, the Winged Hussars who saved Vienna managed to push all the way to Constantinople and raise the Piast flag from the Hagia Sophia in the process, too? The Austrians just bought it off of them afterwards?

Only communist history would be so utterly destitute to be Pollackian-centric.
Stop being so jealous of Poles. *shrug* Anyways, you have shown your true colours - you have a very low opinion of Slavs. Not that it matters, what some neo-Nazi fruitcake off the street thinks, but at least you don't pretend to be a "WN" AND respect Slavs.

When discussing a certain event, the discussion tends to be subjective, that is, in 1942, a nation's language group would define them, like Croats being Slavic. You're reaching, what with English not being your first language. I'm not going to play this semantics game with you, needless to say, Croats were considered Slavic by most of Europe, even if Pavelić or Hitler disagreed.
Wasn't Hitler everything that mattered to you back in the 1939-1945? Pavelić did try to show that Croatian language was in fact Gothic, which means he was aware of the fact that most experts agree on nation = language.

Stop being so jealous of Poles. *shrug* Anyways, you have shown your true colours - you have a very low opinion of Slavs. Not that it matters, what some neo-Nazi fruitcake of the streets thinks, but at least you don't pretend to be a "WN" AND respect Slavs.
Hm, my best friends, and my girlfriend are all Slavs. I don't have any problem with them, I just simply know micro-states like Slovenia exist only because somebody else is paying for them, or they're full of Jew bankers, excluding you, I doubt there are enough Jews in Slovenia to make it a decent banking state like Liechtenstein, one must conclude that it exists via welfare check. One of the niggers of Europe. NATO and EU member, to boot.

Hm, my best friends, and my girlfriend are all Slavs. I don't have any problem with them, I just simply know micro-states like Slovenia exist only because somebody else is paying for them, or they're full of Jew bankers, excluding you, I doubt there are enough Jews in Slovenia to make it a decent banking state like Liechtenstein, one must conclude that it exists via welfare check. One of the niggers of Europe. NATO and EU member, to boot.
Yet you use words like "Pollackian". *shrug* Do your friends speak Slavic, or do they merely have Slavic ancestry?

Slovenia is small, but it's not a micro-state.

http://www2.luventicus.org/maps/europe/slovenia.gif

Compared to other European/Balkan countries it's not extremely small.

Alliances are more complicated than people give credit for.

Hitler may have been anti-Polish, Serbian and Russian, but Hitler was pro-Croatian, Slovenian, Ukrainian, Bulgarian and, by extension, Macedonian. In fact, I once saw a film on PBS showing desperate Ukrainians showering Nazi troops with a hero's welcome once they cam to liberate them from Russia.

Hitler was pro-Ukrainian
Um, no.

We'll take the southern part of the Ukraine, especially the Crimea, and make it an exclusively German colony. There'll be no harm in pushing out the population that's there now. The German colonist will be the soldier peasant, and for that I'll take professional soldiers, whatever their line may have been previously.
--- Adolf Hitler, Table Talks

Adolf Hitler had declared his intention to invade the USSR on 11 August 1939 to Carl Jacob Burckhardt, League of Nations Commissioner by saying "(...) I need the Ukraine so that they can't starve us out, as happened in the last war."

Some chauvinistic Ukrainians decided to help Germans not because they liked them, but because they hated Russians:

Они добровольно записывались в дивизию не потому, что они любили немцев — но потому, что они ненавидели русских и коммунистическую тиранию.

— Заявление судьи Жюля Дешене 30 декабря 1986 г.

Commission of Inquiry on War Crimes" by Honourable Justice Jules Deschenes, Commissioner — Ottawa, Dec. 30, 1986 — p. 252.

Initially, some western Ukrainians, who had only joined the Soviet Union in 1939 under pressure, hailed the Germans as liberators. But brutal German rule in the occupied territories eventually turned its supporters against them. Nazi administrators of conquered Soviet territories made little attempt to exploit the dissatisfaction of the Ukraine with Stalinist political and economic policies.
--- "Ukraine – World War II and its aftermath". Encyclopædia Britannica

Instead, the Nazis preserved the collective-farm system, systematically carried out genocidal policies against Jews, deported men to work in forced labour camps in Germany, and began a systematic depopulation of Ukraine (along with Poland) to prepare it for German colonisation.
--- "Ukraine – World War II and its aftermath". Encyclopædia Britannica

In total, the number of ethnic Ukrainians who fought in the ranks of the Soviet Army is estimated from 4.5 million to 7 million.


Hitler was pro-Slovenian
Negative. Read the thread, for Christ's sake.

Hitler was pro-Croatian and Bulgarian
http://t.qkme.me/3rhzuc.jpg

How many times do I have to paste this?

"The Croats are very keen on not being regarded as Slavs. According to them, they're descended from the Goths. The fact that they speak a Slav language is only an accident, they say. / For example, to label the Bulgarians as Slavs is pure nonsense; originally they were Turkomans."
---Hitler

In order to deviate from their ideological theories for strategic reasons by forging alliances with Croatia (a puppet state recently created after the Invasion of Yugoslavia) and Bulgaria, the Croats were officially described as "more Germanic than Slav", a notion supported by Croatia's fascist dictator Ante Pavelić who maintained that the Croatians were descendants of the ancient Goths and "had the Panslav idea forced upon them as something artificial". Hitler also deemed the Bulgarians to be Turkoman in origin.
--- Rich, Norman (1974). Hitler's War Aims: the Establishment of the New Order, p. 276-7. W. W. Norton & Company Inc., New York

Those are not German Army uniforms. The light machine gun looks like the Czech type related to the British Bren[Brno Enfield].

The uniforms are those of Ordnungspolizei.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-J18155%2C_Russland%2C_verhaftete_weibliche_Zivilisten.jpg

http://www.maribor-graz.eu/images/1942_lhm_svojci_no.jpg

http://www.ce-nob.si/Documents/9376/d5fc767cea324a938a7b4bb09e6b826f_max_680x580.jpg

http://www.ce-nob.si/Documents/9377/197db78e562444e999670dfec8a56fc9_max_680x580.jpg

http://museums.si/remote.jpg.ashx?width=475&height=500&format=png&mode=max&scale=both&404=no_image.gif&urlb64=aHR0cHM6Ly9tdXNldW1zLmJsb2IuY29yZS53aW5kb3dzLm5ldC9kYXRhL0RvY3VtZW50cy9BUlRXT1JLUy9tbnpjLzkzODEvN2YxMDk3MzdjZWU0NGZkYmIxMjgyYmM1Mzc4OTk3ZWEuanBn&hmac=w2wn4gaAtuU

http://www.ce-nob.si/Documents/9388/40e5420ba1134cdd9046759891dff07a_max_680x580.jpg

http://www.ce-nob.si/Documents/9380/0443edc665c74beca2f975fff51388ff_max_680x580.jpg

http://ce-nob.si/Documents/9384/8a316688a66c4a9fadfc27f875c888db_max_680x580.jpg

After the occupation of Czechoslovakia, the Germans confiscated Czech-made weapons (ZB vz. 26) and continued with the production in Brno for their own needs.

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/han-arm.jpg
These bosnian SS-manns doesn't agree with your speech Kajtimar.

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/han-arm.jpg
These bosnian SS-manns doesn't agree with your speech Kajtimar.
Hitler was allying with non-"whites", you weak fool. Stop disturbing this thread with pointless photographs. These ethnic Bosniaks did not consider themselves Slavic, nor do they today.

Hitler was allying with non-"whites"
>Implying that Bosniaks isn't whites.
>Implying that Bosniaks isn't slavs.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2041/2265667224_eb01a29330.jpg?v=0

>Implying that Bosniaks isn't whites.
>Implying that Bosniaks isn't slavs.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2041/2265667224_eb01a29330.jpg?v=0
Bosniaks do not consider themselves Slavic, you moron. Bosnia is divided between three ethnicities, you silly kid.

The romantic notions that Himmler had about the Bosnian Muslims were probably significant in the division's genesis.[5] He was personally fascinated by the Islamic faith and believed that Islam created fearless soldiers.[16] He found their ferocity preferable to the gentility of Christians and believed their martial qualities should be further developed and put to use.[5] He thought that Muslim men would make perfect SS soldiers as Islam "promises them Heaven if they fight and are killed in action."[17] As for their ethnic background and SS requirements, it appears that Himmler accepted the theories advanced by both Croatian and German nationalists that the Croatian people, including the Muslims, were not ethnic Slavs but pure Aryans of either Gothic or Iranian descent.

Beat it, Cassinelli.

Bosniaks do not consider themselves Slavic, you moron. Bosnia is divided between three ethnicities, you silly kid.



Beat it, Cassinelli.

You said that bosniaks isn't slavs, and yellin' this quote "As for their ethnic background and SS requirements, it appears that Himmler accepted the theories advanced by both Croatian and German nationalists that the Croatian people, including the Muslims, were not ethnic Slavs but pure Aryans of either Gothic or Iranian descent." So they are aryans. But by the haplogroups they have the same genes than a slav. Also, Bosnia were a region were croats and servs in century VII. I think anyone is wrong.

You said that bosniaks isn't slavs, and yellin' this quote "As for their ethnic background and SS requirements, it appears that Himmler accepted the theories advanced by both Croatian and German nationalists that the Croatian people, including the Muslims, were not ethnic Slavs but pure Aryans of either Gothic or Iranian descent." So they are aryans. But by the haplogroups they have the same genes than a slav. Also, Bosnia were a region were croats and servs in century VII. I think anyone is wrong.
Are you retarded?

Are you retarded?

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTpppSR-YI6XTrvn1HR52wkrq7tgwneZhtOC37ZNXKCzB-ZfMAJCw

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/HaplogroupI2.png/800px-HaplogroupI2.png

Bosniaks do not consider themselves Slavic, you moron. Bosnia is divided between three ethnicities, you silly kid.

Beat it, Cassinelli.



Hate to agree with you but you are correct.

Not only that, but Bosnian muslims don't even consider themselves part of European culture and civilization, as they look to Turkey Chechnya and Arab/Muslim countries as their cultural and spiritual homelands.



Sarajevo, Bosnian muslims protesting Muhammed cartoons back in 2006.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41309000/jpg/_41309374_bosnia2416.jpg


Veiled Bosnian Muslim women protest cartoons published in Western newspapers in central Sarajevo, February 8, 2006.
http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2006/02/08/sarajevo.8feb06.jpg


Bosnian Muslims carry an Islamic flag and banners in front of the Danish embassy in central Sarajevo, February 8, 2006
http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2006/02/08/sarajevo.2.8feb06.jpg


Bosnian Muslims burn flags of Denmark, Norway and Croatia in front of the Norwegian embassy in central Sarajevo February 8, 2006, in a protest against the publishing of cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammad.
http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2006/02/08/sarajevo.8feb06.jpglswcsd.jpg

You said that bosniaks isn't slavs, and yellin' this quote "As for their ethnic background and SS requirements, it appears that Himmler accepted the theories advanced by both Croatian and German nationalists that the Croatian people, including the Muslims, were not ethnic Slavs but pure Aryans of either Gothic or Iranian descent." So they are aryans[. But by the haplogroups they have the same genes than a slav. Also, Bosnia were a region were croats and servs in century VII. I think anyone is wrong.


Learn to write English properly before you come here with nonsense.

Muslims of Bosnia are generally descendants of Serbs and Croats who converted to Islam.

There is no Bosniak 'nation', this so called 'nationailty' is a very recent artificial construct, created by them and their foreign sponsors, in order to deny the Serbian and Croatian character of Bosnia, to claim whole of Bosnia for themselves. Before they creted this nationailty, in 1992, they simply called themselves 'Muslimani' as their official nationality in the former Yugoslavia.


Muslims, were not ethnic Slavs but pure Aryans of either Gothic or Iranian descent

Yeah, muslims from Bosnia and the primitive backwater of Sandzak are Aryan Goths while Czechs and Slovenes are non Aryan sub-humans. :rofl

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/han-arm.jpg
These bosnian SS-manns doesn't agree with your speech Kajtimar.

Great, you pick the only SS Division to mutiny while on training in France during September 1943. :rolleyes:

We know how successful the Bosnian muslim and shiptar experiment in WW2 was.:rofl

German commander Schmitdhuber

Top Secret 175/44, October 2, 1944 - Summar report on forming and condition

"From the military organizing point of view, the order for forming this division was based on wrong assumptions".

"Albanians are living in some kind of primitive facultativeness...He's never in a hurry. He doesn't wish to fight in ranks of his military formations, but only in the ranks of his armed gangs. There isn't any kind of discipline in these gangs. When it's raining Albanian leaves his post, and at the start of night he leaves his military position and goes to the village to drink brandy. After spending 12 days in the field - without asking his gang leader - he leaves for 4-5 days at home and then returns to his gang...or doesn't return at all".

"Albanian isn't familiar and doesn't like at all military field training and shooting practise. His alleged shooting skill is just a story and lie. He likes to shoot a lot, mostly sitting behind the cover and shooting - straight in the air. He simply pulls the trigger and constantly reloads his gun. Albanian is sensitive of artillery shelling and has mortal fear of it. Albanian takes part in an attack until he finds something he can steal or take by force. If he manages to steal a goat, axe or sewing machine wheel the war for him is over and he goes home on his own free will. On every 20 Albanians there must be 2 German SS non-commissioned officers: One to command, and the other to follow and check them".

"In regard of their clothing, our instructors are dealing with the same problems as with the negroes. Most of the recruits are of village origin and they wore shoes for the first time in their lives. They where very proud of their shoes, so they didn't take them off even during night. But during long marches they took their shoes off and put them over their shoulders. When Albanians start to run, they get rid of there shoes, they can run faster on there barefoot"

"Proposition which president of Albanian national committee in the town of Prizren BEDRI PEJANI in written form submitted to Reichsführer of SS troops are nothing but simplest bombastic lies. Bedri Pejani is just a political scumbag that managed to provide a good life for himself using political scams in the country and abroad. He, and most of the Albanian "politicians", don’t care where the money comes from to satisfy their immoderate life needs".

conclusion:

"The forming of the division in planned size would be achieved quickest if a Commander was given a bag of gold to bribe influential local Albanian leaders. The first question a person which is looking for friendship with Albanians is asked is "How much gold will you give me?". It seems that some Albanians wanted to make a good business out of forming the "Skenderbeg" division".
__________________

Alliances are more complicated than people give credit for.

Hitler may have been anti-Polish, Serbian and Russian, but Hitler was pro-Croatian, Slovenian, Ukrainian, Bulgarian and, by extension, Macedonian. In fact, I once saw a film on PBS showing desperate Ukrainians showering Nazi troops with a hero's welcome once they cam to liberate them from Russia.

Hitler was for that which would deliver victory to Germany and free Europe from jewish control, it had nothing to do with being anti this or that nation. He was open to all Europeans, and non Europeans, (he certainly wasn't in any position to be too picky considering the circumstances and what Germany was up against) who wanted to join him.

Wasn't Hitler everything that mattered to you back in the 1939-1945? Pavelić did try to show that Croatian language was in fact Gothic, which means he was aware of the fact that most experts agree on nation = language.


Where is the evidence of Gothic language?

HSP political fantasy conjured up in the brains of Starcevic, Pavelic and co., are one thing, reality and historical documentation are another.

We know where the 'theories' of non Slavic origins of Croats come from, and the political purpose they served, but today even many of the ultra chauvinists, at least the more rational and educated ones, also laugh at some of the ridiculous nonsense that has been promoted by some of the more 'out there' elements in their national corpus when their origins are discussed.

If Croats are not Slavic neither are Poles Ukrainians etc.

And of course Austrians were Germanizing Balkan Slav lands, they saved you ungrateful assholes from the Turks anyway. Clay is the least you could offer.


Not so fast Nigel.

You need to be more specific here. Which Balkan Slavs?

As far as Im concerned Austria could have kept Slovenia and certain parts of Croatia however,

In 1876 Serbia went to war with Turkey and liberated Bosnia, but at the Congress of Berlin Austro-Hungary persuaded the big powers to give Bosnia back to Turkey, in addition to granting 'special rights' to Austria within the territory . Austria also jointly occupied the Serbian Sandzak together with the Ottomans.

Austria preferred stronger Ottoman hold on Bosnia and Serbia instaed of Serbian independence, which it viewed with alarm as it would set a 'bad' example for other nations in the Empire, nations who might look upon Serbs as a bad example and could attempt to copy them by seeking their own independence.

In 1908 Austria fully annexed Bosnia, declaring it part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, which it had no right to do as there was no Austrian population living there, this in turn sowed the seeds for WW1 and we know how horrific that was.

Austria should have been content with Slovenia and other non Serbian areas instead of occupying Bosnia.

Unfortunately Serbian driving out the Ottomans was not viewed with much joy in Vienna, that is fact, it is also history and should to be viewed in the broader geopolitical context of the times.

In the spirit of disrupting a thread-happy 124th to Adolf Hitler.

88, SEIG HEIL and WHITE POWER!!!

Serbian, I didn't said that Serbians are not aryans, but take a look at the haplogroup l2a2 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/HaplogroupI2.png/800px-HaplogroupI2.png
Has a strongly influence in Bosnia, even if they don't classify themselfs as slavs, genetically they are. Also, they speak a slavic language, they have the sames genes, they have the same fenotype, who in the hell they aren't slavs? Sicilia was muslim territory, they didn't classify theirselfs as latins, but they still being latins. If a boskiak convert to paganism, he wouldn't be aryan/white?

Where is the evidence of Gothic language?

HSP political fantasy conjured up in the brains of Starcevic, Pavelic and co., are one thing, reality and historical documentation are another.

We know where the 'theories' of non Slavic origins of Croats come from, and the political purpose they served, but today even many of the ultra chauvinists, at least the more rational and educated ones, also laugh at some of the ridiculous nonsense that has been promoted by some of the more 'out there' elements in their national corpus when their origins are discussed.

If Croats are not Slavic neither are Poles Ukrainians etc.
I've never said that Croatian language is of Gothic origin. It isn't. I'm only showing you that "Ustaše ideology created a theory about a pseudo-Gothic origin of the Croats in order to raise their standing on the Aryan ladder."

--- Nationalism, historiography and the (re)construction of the past by Claire Norton, New Academia Publishing, 2007, page 86

Prigodom ulaska u Hrvatsku 13. travnja 1941. Pavelić je izjavio za vodeći talijanski fašistički dnevnik Giornale d’Italia da se Hrvati od Srba razlikuju “i po religiji i po fizičkom izgledu. Teško je pobrkati jednog Hrvata sa Srbinom. Mi nismo Slaveni”. Na tu je izjavu tadašnji Pavelićev bliski suradnik Eugen Dido Kvaternik dodao da ime “Hrvat dolazi od arhaičnog izraza ‘Hroatang’”, što “po prilici znači ‘gotski ratnik’”.
--- Pavelićevu i Kvaternikovu izjavu, koja je objavljena u spomenutom listu 15. travnja 1941., donosi F. JELIĆ-BUTIĆ, Ustaše i NDH, 139

Već 14. travnja 1941. Pavelić je u razgovoru s njemačkim izaslanikom Edmundom Veesenmeyerom, koji je bio uključen u proglašenje NDH, istaknuo
da “želi samo to da vodi svoj narod u bolje dane i dokaže kako Hrvati nisu Slaveni, nego da rasno pripadaju Germanstvu
--- Sadržaj Veesenmeyerova brzojava njemačkom ministru vanjskih poslova Joachimu von Ribbentropu prepričao je B. KRIZMAN, Ante Pavelić i ustaše, Zagreb 1986., 422

Even you agreed with me on this earlier:

I don't mind Agram though, after all your friends do want to be Goths :p

*shrug*

Top Secret 175/44, October 2, 1944 - Summar report on forming and condition

"From the military organizing point of view, the order for forming this division was based on wrong assumptions".

"Albanians are living in some kind of primitive facultativeness...He's never in a hurry. He doesn't wish to fight in ranks of his military formations, but only in the ranks of his armed gangs. There isn't any kind of discipline in these gangs. When it's raining Albanian leaves his post, and at the start of night he leaves his military position and goes to the village to drink brandy. After spending 12 days in the field - without asking his gang leader - he leaves for 4-5 days at home and then returns to his gang...or doesn't return at all".

"Albanian isn't familiar and doesn't like at all military field training and shooting practise. His alleged shooting skill is just a story and lie. He likes to shoot a lot, mostly sitting behind the cover and shooting - straight in the air. He simply pulls the trigger and constantly reloads his gun. Albanian is sensitive of artillery shelling and has mortal fear of it. Albanian takes part in an attack until he finds something he can steal or take by force. If he manages to steal a goat, axe or sewing machine wheel the war for him is over and he goes home on his own free will. On every 20 Albanians there must be 2 German SS non-commissioned officers: One to command, and the other to follow and check them".

"In regard of their clothing, our instructors are dealing with the same problems as with the negroes. Most of the recruits are of village origin and they wore shoes for the first time in their lives. They where very proud of their shoes, so they didn't take them off even during night. But during long marches they took their shoes off and put them over their shoulders. When Albanians start to run, they get rid of there shoes, they can run faster on there barefoot"

"Proposition which president of Albanian national committee in the town of Prizren BEDRI PEJANI in written form submitted to Reichsführer of SS troops are nothing but simplest bombastic lies. Bedri Pejani is just a political scumbag that managed to provide a good life for himself using political scams in the country and abroad. He, and most of the Albanian "politicians", don’t care where the money comes from to satisfy their immoderate life needs".

conclusion:

"The forming of the division in planned size would be achieved quickest if a Commander was given a bag of gold to bribe influential local Albanian leaders. The first question a person which is looking for friendship with Albanians is asked is "How much gold will you give me?". It seems that some Albanians wanted to make a good business out of forming the "Skenderbeg" division".
Can I get a source?

Can I get a source?

I can't find the link for you now, I had it in documents for years.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t930318-2/#post10801820


Anyway, more evidence proving the point that the whole episode with these primitives was a complete failure.


http://prishtinapress.info/the-skanderbeg-division-and-yugoslavia-nr-3/

Division Skanderbeg was yet in recruitment and formation process in May 1944 and 4000 emaciated Albanians had just arrived on 10 May 1944 in Prishtina from Dachau concentration camp with the intention of enlisting to Division Skanderbeg. Those 4000 Albanians would have required thousands of guards to keep them in line.

Throughout its existence, desertions of Albanian recruits were commonplace and constituted the main cause for the demobilization of Division Skanderbeg. Its units were not stable enough to complete training and become operational. In a report dated 30 June 1944, Herman Neubacher wrote: “SS forces (not the Albanian authorities) are trying to recruit Albanians into Division Skanderbeg”. In early September 1944, Division Skanderbeg had 6491 volunteers – truly volunteers because most of them never ventured from their homes. By the end of September 1944, desertions brought the number to 3994 recruits, some of whom were even unarmed. In a report dated 2 October 1944, Herman Neubacher called the formation of this Division a terrible mistake, because, as he wrote, “…they [Albanians] do not know any discipline. They only register for taking the arms that adore a lot and then go away with them to their homes…”.

In the Order of Battle on 15 May 1944 and prior, Division Skanderbeg did not exist. In the Order of Battle on 28 September 1944 and afterward, the Division Skanderbeg had already ceased to exist. As seen, Division Skanderbeg was continually in a state of “being formed” and as such it was militarily unreliable. In early November 1944, Division Skanderbeg was fully disbanded.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Skanderbeg_(1st_Albanian)#Operations

The Division was very poorly led with a serious dearth of instructors, Albanian officers or NCOs.

The Division was operational for only a few months (February 1944 – November 1944), with a strength of about 6,000 – 6,500 rather than the normal strength of a division (10,000–20,000). Many recruits deserted with their new weapons and boots, and by October 1944 their number had dwindled to around 3500. It appears they often refused to fight or to take orders, and it never became a significant force.[9]

"The Germans were forced to disarm battalions at Pec and Prizren, arresting the Albanian officers and sending them to the camp at Prishtina."[10]


Lasting just a few months, this Waffen-SS division was "militarily useless" and declared a "fiasco".[13] Insubordination, poor discipline and looting were constant problems. The Division participated in the Wehrmacht Operation "Fuchsjagd", known to the Communists as the "Battle of Debar", over 18 to 27 August 1944. The Division fought alongside Albanian government soldiers, tribal bands an Albanian nationalist četa from Debar itself and approximately 800 men from Colonel Abaz Kupi's Zogist-Legality (Royalist) faction. The town of Debar was not captured and the campaign against Communist partisans in central Albania was a failure, only leading to further desertions. .


German evaluations of the nationalist and collaborationist forces were even less flattering. SS General Josef Fitzthun, charged with the creation of the regular army for the puppet regime of Rexep Mitrovica, blamed his failure on the Albanian officer corps, which he complained was not only worthless but filled with pederasts. General August Schmidthuber, the German commander of the SS Skenderbeg division, explained his failure by suggesting that the legend of Albanian military heroics was just a saga and that he personally could chase them all around the world with a light grenade launcher.

from

pg 140

Albanian identities: myth and history
edited by Stephanie Schwandner-Sievers, Bernd Jürgen Fischer

I've never said that Croatian language is of Gothic origin. It isn't. I'm only showing you that "Ustaše ideology created a theory about a pseudo-Gothic origin of the Croats in order to raise their standing on the Aryan ladder."

--- Nationalism, historiography and the (re)construction of the past by Claire Norton, New Academia Publishing, 2007, page 86


Znas decko koliko me zanimaju Ustaske teorije *shrug*

Pun mi je kurac ustaskih, i cetnickih, lupetanja po raznim forumima.



Even you agreed with me on this earlier:

Originally Posted by Serbian
I don't mind Agram though, after all your friends do want to be Goths


Mocking sarcasm, taking the piss :rolleyes:

http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/530579_514558748554181_1637622687_n.jpg
Bulgaria.

Playing devils advocate and pretending that Hitler himself threw 6 million slavs into gas chambers, what does that prove? Hitler isn't the be all end all of white nationalism or even national socialism. Hitler is dead. We don't have to do and/or think everything that Hitler thought.

Citizens of the town of Resen, Macedonia celebrate the arrival of their German and Bulgarian liberators in 1941. Of course they turned on their liberators two years later, but the film still shows what the sentiments were. There are similar films posted from Ohrid, Bitola and Skopje in the same user account.

Like I said, alliances are often complex.

Resen. Resurrection of Macedonia 1941. - YouTube

... Bottom line: Hitler may have been anti-Slavic as to those nations that were on the side of the Allies, bit he didn't nevessarily hate the ones who were allies of the Axis powers.

And that doesn't even to begin to cover the fact that people from the Balkans are not necessarily Slavs just because they speak a Slavic language. I look at them as analogous to an indigenous person from Arizona who is of Spanish stock (from hundreds of years ago) but speaks English exclusively.

Early Slavs

Physical appearance:

Slavs "are tall and especially strong, their skin is not very white, and their hair is neither blond nor black, but all have reddish hair’’. They are neither dishonourable nor spiteful, but simple in their ways, like the White Huns (Avars). Some of them do not have either a tunic or cloak, but only wear a kind of breeches pulled up to the groin.

Radegast
http://www.holistix.org/person/mz/album/img/radegast.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Origins_700_%281%29.png
Slavic tribes in central-eastern Europe 8th century

Proto-Balto-Slavic

The Kurgan_hypothesis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurgan_hypothesis), places the Urheimat of the Proto-Indo-European people at the Pontic steppe.

http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/indo1.jpg

From here, various daughter dialects dispersed radially in several waves between c. 4400and 3000 BCE.
The phonological changes which set Balto-Slavic apart from other Indo-European languages probably lasted from c. 3000 to 1000 BCE, a period known as common Proto-Balto-Slavic. The earliest stages of Balto-Slavic development with the Middle Dnieper culture which connects the Corded Ware and Yamna cultures. Kurganists connect the latter two cultures with the so-called "Northwest (IE) group" and the Iranic-speaking steppe nomads, respectively. This fits with the linguistic evidence in that Balto-Slavic appears to have had close contacts with Indo-Iranian and Proto-Germanii.

The people named Serbi, who lived near the Cimmerians (Gomer) , presumably on the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov. Serboi or Sirboi, who presumably lived behind the Caucasus, in the hinterland of the Caspian Sea. Present-day Astrakhan.

Serboi (Σερβοι; also Sirboi) or Serbi (Sirbi) is an ethnonym recorded in Greco-Roman ethnography. It designated an Iranian tribe dwelling in Asiatic Sarmatia (north Caucasus), probably by the Lower Volga River.

Theory about Iranian origin of the Serbs assumes that ancient Serbi / Serboi from north Caucasus were an Sarmatian (Alanian) tribe. The theory subsequently assumes that Alanian Serbi were subdued by the Huns in the 4th century and that they, as part of the Hunnic army, migrated to the western edge of the Hunnic Empire (in the area of Central Europe near the river Elbe, later designated as White Serbia in what is now Saxony (eastern Germany) and western Poland). After Hunnic leader Attila died (in 453), Alanian Serbi presumably became independent and ruled in the east of the river Saale (in modern day Germany) over local Slavic population. Over time, they, it is argued, intermarried with the local Slavic population of the region, adopted Slavic language, and transferred their name to the Slavs. According to Tadeuš Sulimirski, similar event could occur in the Balkans or Serbs who settled in the Balkans were Slavs who came from the north and who were ruled by already slavicized Aryan Alani.

Later appearances in Southern Asia

In Afghanistan and Pakistan there is a tribal group of Pashtuns called Sarbans / Sarbani. Their name is similar (or identical) to the name Sarban (Sarbani), which was used in the 10th century for the Caucasian tribe. Pashtuns are believed to be of Scythian descent while their language is classified as East Scythian (Sarmatian language is also grouped within Scythian branch).

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People with name Sirbi near the estuary of the river Volga

My dear VNNer, can you please explain to me, why did the Nazis destroy the statue of Poland's greatest poet? Can you please explain to me, why did Hitler also destroy other monuments of Kraków?

No need for your explanation, little man:

It was agreed with Frank, the Governor-General of occupied Poland, that the Cracow district (with its purely German capital) and also the Lublin district should be peopled by Germans. Once these two weak spots have been strengthened, it should be possible to drive the Poles slowly back.
—Hitler

Co innego Kraków – Kraków miał zostać rozbudowany, oczywiście po “oczyszczeniu” najpierw z Żydów, a następnie z Polaków.

The Nazis envisioned turning Kraków in completely German city after removing all Jews and Poles (...)
—Cztery miasta w jednym – nowa historia wojennego Krakowa Niechciana „stolica” Agnieszka Sabor Tygodnik Powszechny Nr 4 (2794), 26 stycznia 2003

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Grunwald monument
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Wieś w Radomskiem, 1943 (Polish farmers killed by German forces, German-occupied Poland, 1943)

The book: "Cierpienie i walka narodu polskiego 1939-1945", Publisher: Zarząd Główny Związku Bojowników o Wolność i Demokrację, Warsaw, 1958, page 109

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AB AKTION (Ausserordentliche Befriedungsaktion; Extraordinary Pacification Action). Code name for the liquidation of Polish intellectuals and leaders after the German invasion of Poland in 1939. The task was entrusted to Hans Frank as Governor-General and to his deputy, Artur Seyss-Inquart (qq.v.). More than 2,000 Polish men and women were apprehended from September 1939 to June 1940 and summarily executed. A ruthless killer, Frank kept thorough records of his work in a fortytwo-volume journal.

Source: ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE THIRD REICH, Louis L Snyder

On October 12, 1939, after Hitler conquered Poland, he appointed Frank chief civilian officer for occupied Polish territory and then Governor-General of occupied Poland.

Frank described his policy in this post: "Poland shall be treated like a colony: the Poles will become the slaves of the Greater German Empire." He destroyed Poland as a national entity and exploited its human and material resources for the German war effort. Frank ran Poland in imitation of the Nazi state. He declared German to be the official language; he warned that Jews and Poles could be sentenced to death for any act of force against a German or for damage to a public installation; he confiscated Jewish and Polish property; he expropriated valuable paintings, including a Leonardo da Vinci and a Rembrandt, for his own home at Schliersee in southern Germany; and he allowed huge quantities of food to be smuggled from Poland to Germany.

During World War II Bormann was Hitler's closest collaborator. On May 12, 1941, two days after the Hess flight (q.v.), Hitler abolished Hess's post as Deputy Fuehrer and appointed Bormann to direct the newly created party chancellery. In this post Bormann worked to strengthen the party against both the Wehrmacht and the SS (qq.v.) and also found time to supervise attacks on Christianity. He wrote hundreds of memorandums dealing with Jews, Slavs, prisoners of war, and the behavior of Gauleiters.

Bormann's party comrades dubbed him the Brown Eminence; enemies called him "the Machiavelli behind the office desk." He was, indeed, the power behind Hitler's throne. Under his unprepossessing exterior was the classic manipulator, the anonymous power seeker who worked in secrecy and outmaneuvered all his rivals seeking Hitler's ear. Observers described him as a short, squat man in a badly fitting civil servant's uniform with his briefcase under his arm, always working to advance his own interests.
—Encyclopædia of the Third Reich

Martin Bormann: "Die Slawen sollen für uns arbeiten. Soweit wir sie nicht brauchen, mögen sie sterben. Impfzwang und deutsche Gesundheitsfürsorge sind daher überflüssig. Die slawische Fruchtbarkeit ist unerwünscht. Sie mögen Präservative benutzen oder abtreiben, je mehr, desto besser. Bildung ist gefährlich. Es genügt, wenn sie bis 100 zählen können. Höchstens die Bildung, die uns brauchbare Handlanger schafft, ist zulässig. Jeder Gebildete ist ein künftiger Feind. Die Religion lassen wir ihnen als Ablenkungsmittel. An Verpflegung bekommen sie nur das Notwendigste. Wir sind die Herren, wir kommen zuerst."

Ernst Piper, Alfred Rosenberg. Hitlers Chefideologe, München 2005, S. 529.


The Slavs are to work for us. Insofar as we do not need them, they may die. Therefore, compulsory vaccination and German health service are superfluous. The fertility of the Slavs is undesirable. They may use contraceptives or practice abortion, the more the better. Education is dangerous. It is enough if they can count up to one hundred. At best an education which produces useful coolies for us is admissible. Every educated person is a future enemy.

An Account of the Twenty-Two Defendants Before the International Military Tribunal" - Page 101 by Eugene Davidson - History - 1997

Germany must seek her Lebensraum (q.v.; living space) toward the east instead of searching eternally in the south and west of Europe. The goal was Russia as well as the border states controlled by it. The "racially inferior" Russian Slavs had appropriated a disproportionately huge portion of the earth's surface. The Germanic element in Russia had been wiped out and its place taken by the Jews, "the ferment of decomposition."

Now, wrote Hitler, Bolshevik Russia was ready for collapse. "Fate has made us witness to a catastrophe. And only the sword can win this ground. The new Reich must set itself on the march along the road of the Teutonic Knights to obtain by the German sword the sod for the German plow and the daily bread for the nation."

In essence, Hitler's view of the Drang nach Osten coincided with the geopolitical theories of Karl Haushofer (q.v.), who regarded the Russian Ukraine as a necessary breadbasket and complement to industrial Germany.

Reich Office for the Consolidation of German Nationhood – one of the five main branches of the SS (q.v.). This office coordinated two other SS agencies, the Rasse- und Siedlungshauptamt and the Volksdeutsche Mittelstelle (qq.v.). Created by Hitler in 1939 under Heinrich Himmler (q.v.), the RKFDV was responsible for the program of resettlement of Volksdeutsche (q.v.; ethnic Germans), the expropriation and displacement of Slavs in the occupied countries, and the consignment of racially undesirable types to forced labor, concentration camps (q.v.), or extermination camps (q.v.).

The outbreak of World War II in 1939 saw Himmler at the apex of his power. In October Hitler made him Reichskommissar fur die Festigung deutschen Volkstums (Reich Commissar for the Consolidation of German Nationhood). In this post Himmler devised methods of mass murder based on a rationalized extermination process. His task was to eliminate "racial degenerates" such as Jews, Poles, Russians, and Czechs—all those who, in Hitler's estimation, stood in the way of Germany's regeneration. Himmler was responsible for fifth-column activities (see FIFTH COLUMN) whenever and wherever the opportunity arose. After the invasion of the Soviet Union in June 1941, he controlled the political administration of the occupied territory.

OSTARBEITER (Eastern Worker). Polish or Russian slave worker in the occupied countries during World War n. Such workers were required to wear an identification patch with an O. Because they were regarded as subhuman, they were ordered to be separated from Germans. Those who tried to escape were hanged where other workers could see their bodies.

UNTERMENSCHEN – Term used in Nazi propaganda to describe non Germanic peoples in the occupied Soviet Union. Rigid adherence to racial doctrine (q.v.) cost the Germans the support of millions of individuals who were strongly anti-Communist and could have helped the invaders in their campaign against bolshevism.

OSTARBEITER (Eastern Worker). Polish or Russian slave worker in the occupied countries during World War n. Such workers were required to wear an identification patch with an O. Because they were regarded as subhuman, they were ordered to be separated from Germans. Those who tried to escape were hanged where other workers could see their bodies.

This is patently false. Just to begin, they weren't slaves, as slaves are bought and sold. They were impressed labor, which the US also did with press-gangs at one time.

Secondly, my grandmother-in-law was one of those impressed laborers, when she worked at a German kindergarten as a cook at age 16. Her mother (my wife's great-grandmother) traveled to Germany and brought her back to Poland (no death sentence of course or my wife wouldn't exist). One of her favorite stories was that she ate more bananas and oranges as impressed labor than when she was living under the commies in Poland. Funny how an ordinary citizen had life materially worse under jew-Communism than when living as impressed labor in Germany.

Try again.

This is patently false. Just to begin, they weren't slaves, as slaves are bought and sold. They were impressed labor, which the US also did with press-gangs at one time.

Secondly, my grandmother-in-law was one of those impressed laborers, when she worked at a German kindergarten as a cook at age 16. Her mother (my wife's great-grandmother) traveled to Germany and brought her back to Poland (no death sentence of course or my wife wouldn't exist). One of her favorite stories was that she ate more bananas and oranges as impressed labor than when she was living under the commies in Poland. Funny how an ordinary citizen had life materially worse under jew-Communism than when living as impressed labor in Germany.

Try again.
Frank Hans: "Poland shall be treated like a colony: the Poles will become the slaves of the Greater German Empire."
—Encyclopedia of the Third Reich

"The Slavs are a mass of born slaves, who feel the need of a master. As far as we are concerned, we may think that the Bolsheviks did us a great service."
—Hitler, Table Talk

Oh, so now I should listen to your story, because you told it, but you won't listen to stories of Holocaust survivors?

Try again.

After the war, under the "Big Plan", Generalplan Ost foresaw the removal of 45 million non-Germanizable people from Central and Eastern Europe, of whom 31 million were "racially undesirable", 100% of Jews, Poles (85%), Belorussians (75%) and Ukrainians (65%), to West Siberia, and about 14 millions were to remain, but were to be treated as slaves. In their place, up to 8-10 million Germans would be settled in an extended "living space" (Lebensraum).
—Hans-Walter Schmuhl. The Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Anthropology, Human Heredity, and Eugenics, 1927-1945: crossing boundaries. Volume 259 of Boston studies in the philosophy of science. Coutts MyiLibrary. SpringerLink Humanities, Social Science & LawAuthor. Springer, 2008. ISBN 1-4020-6599-X, 9781402065996, p. 348-349
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In 1941 it was decided to destroy the Polish nation completely and the German leadership decided that in 10 to 20 years the Polish state under German occupation was to be fully cleared of any ethnic Poles and settled by German colonists.
—Berghahn, Volker R. (1999). "Germans and Poles 1871–1945". Germany and Eastern Europe: Cultural Identities and Cultural Differences (Rodopi).

A majority of them, now deprived of their leaders and most of their intelligentsia (through human losses, destruction of culture, the ban on education above the absolutely basic level, and kidnapping of children for Germanization), would have to be deported to regions in the East and scattered over as wide an area of Western Siberia as possible. According to the plan this would result in their assimilation by the local populations, which would cause the Poles to vanish as a nation.
—John Connelly. Nazis and Slavs: From Racial Theory to Racist Practice. Central European History, Vol. 32, No. 1 (1999), pp. 1-33

By 1952, only about 3-4 million non-Germanized Poles (all of them peasants) were to be left residing in the former Poland. Those of them who would still not Germanize were to be forbidden to marry, the existing ban on any medical help to Poles in Germany would be extended, and eventually Poles would cease to exist.
—Gerhard L. Weinberg, Visions of Victory: The Hopes of Eight World War II Leaders p 24 ISBN 0-521-85254-4

The Wehrbauer, or soldier-peasants, would be settled in a fortified line to prevent civilization arising beyond and threatening Germany."Tough peasant races" would serve as a bulwark against attack.
—Robert Cecil, The Myth of the Master Race: Alfred Rosenberg and Nazi Ideology p190
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Oh, so now I should listen to your story, because you told it, but you won't listen to stories of Holocaust survivors?

Oh, and would you, Mr. What? Who? Me?...a Jew?! like to discuss some of the more downright laughable tales of terror as related by Holocaust "survivors"? Would you like to do that? Stories such as the one related by the jew survivor of the Buchenwald concentration camp in Germany; the jew who, as an 11-year-old boy, somehow managed to survive the gas chamber there not once, not twice, but six times. And when asked how he managed to pull off such a miraculous feat he chirped, "I dunno... maybe kids have better immune systems." You know -- the very same jew who, when told that even the most stubborn of today's exterminationists acknowledge that there were in fact no "extermination camps" on German soil whatsoever, responded: "Oh yeah? I don't care what the experts say; I was there, I know!" Or how about the jew who told the story, printed on the front page jew-owned New York Times in 1988, of how each and every day the Auschwitz SS, just for giggles, tossed a live jew into a cage which contained a bear and a vulture? First the bear ripped the poor jew to pieces, and then the vulture devoured what remained of him; the really icky stuff the bear wanted no part of. Would you like to discuss that one instead? If not, I've got a score more that would probably suffice to pique your interest...

what say you?

Shut up, vile peasant.

Shut up, vile peasant.Lol! I thought as much...

later, loxbreath

Lol! I thought as much...
I never read your posts because you are lowbrow. When I browse through VNN, I mostly read Valdez' and Kapitan (pronounced kah-pee-tawn) Linder's posts.

later
Buh-bye.

Wie schon in Vorkriegsreden und in Übereinstimmung mit Hitlers Ausführungen in Mein Kampf spricht er davon, dass die Ausmerzung der slawischen „Untermenschen“ eine historische und natürliche Notwendigkeit sei.

„Ein Grundsatz muss für den SS-Mann absolut gelten: ehrlich, anständig, treu und kameradschaftlich haben wir zu Angehörigen unseres eigenen Blutes zu sein und sonst zu niemandem. Wie es den Russen geht, wie es den Tschechen geht, ist mir total gleichgültig. Das, was in den Völkern an gutem Blut unserer Art vorhanden ist, werden wir uns holen, indem wir ihnen, wenn notwendig, die Kinder rauben und sie bei uns großziehen. Ob die anderen Völker in Wohlstand leben oder ob sie verrecken vor Hunger, das interessiert mich nur soweit, als wir sie als Sklaven für unsere Kultur brauchen, anders interessiert mich das nicht. Ob bei dem Bau eines Panzergrabens 10.000 russische Weiber an Entkräftung umfallen oder nicht, interessiert mich nur insoweit, als der Panzergraben für Deutschland fertig wird.“
—Heinrich Himmler

One basic principle must be the absolute rule for the S.S. men. We must be honest, decent, loyal, and comradely to members of our own blood and nobody else. What happens to a Russian and a Czech does not interest me in the least. What the nations can offer in the way of good blood of our type we will take, if necessary by kidnapping their children and raising them here with us. Whether nations live in prosperity or starve to death interests me only in so far as we need them as slaves for our culture: otherwise it is of no interest to me. Whether ten thousand Russian females fall down from exhaustion while digging an anti-tank ditch interests me only in so far as the anti-tank ditch for Germany is finished. We shall never be tough and heartless where it is not necessary, that is clear. We, Germans, who are the only people in the world who have a decent attitude towards animals, will also assume a decent attitude towards these human animals. But it is a crime against our blood to worry about them and give them ideals, thus causing our sons and grandsons to have a more difficult time with them. When somebody comes up to me and says: 'I cannot dig the anti-tank ditch with women and children, it is inhuman, for it would kill them,' then I have to say: 'You are the murderer of your own blood, because if the anti-tank ditch is not dug German soldiers will die, and they are the sons of German mothers. They are our own blood....' Our concern, our duty, is our people and our blood. We can be indifferent to everything else. I wish the S.S. to adopt this attitude towards the problem of all foreign, non-Germanic peoples, especially Russians.
—Heinrich Himmler, the Posen speech

Source: Internationaler Militärgerichtshof Nürnberg (IMT): Der Nürnberger Prozess gegen die Hauptkriegsverbrecher. Delphin Verlag, Nachdruck München 1989, ISBN 3-7735-2523-0, Band 29: Urkunden und anderes Beweismaterial

LEBENSBORN. Recent investigation has brought to light a more sinister aspect of the Lebensborn program, the wholesale kidnapping of foreign children to add to the breeding stock of the Third Reich. During World War II Himmler informed Lebensborn authorities that it was desirable to import "racially acceptable" children from such occupied countries as Poland, France, Norway, Yugoslavia, and Czechoslovakia. On his orders children with Aryan-looking features were selected in mass examinations, brought to Germany for placement in indoctrination centers, and then put up for adoption by "racially trustworthy" German families. It is estimated that several hundred thousand children were taken from their families for this part of the Lebensborn program.

Mathias Potucnik was such a child of Slovenian parents; he was transferred in 1943 at the age of two from the Lebensborn Kohren-Sahlis home to a German foster family. His foster parents were told that he was an orphan. The foster father, Otto Übe, testified in Nuremberg in 1947 that the child was "blond and blue-eyed" and its background and nationality had been examined. His natural father turned up after the war, having been imprisoned in a concentration camp. His mother had died in a German custody.

Yeah, you tell 'im, Kaj!

I think Kaj the Kike has a very good point, Roy: Why should he listen to your story if you won't listen to those of Holocaust "survivors"? So, to continue in that vein, here's yet another Holohoax fairytale for all to weep over...

December 30, 2008 from CNN online:

Holocaust "greatest" love story a hoax

Oprah Winfrey once dubbed it the "greatest love story" she had ever heard: a boy held at a Nazi concentration camp during WWII and a girl on the outside who tossed him apples to keep him alive. They eventually married and grew old together.

It turns out the story of Herman and Roma Rosenblat isn't true.

The two had told their love story for years and years, inspiring a book deal, an upcoming movie, and stories across the globe on television, in papers and on the internet. A children's book, "Angel Girl", was also based on their story.

When the couple appeared on the "The Oprah Winfrey Show" more than a decade ago, the famed host called it "the single greatest love story in 22 years of doing this show."

But over the weekend Herman Rosenblat issued a statement through his literary agent, Andrea Hurst, acknowledging the story of how he met his wife was made up...

Berkley Books immediately cancelled publication of Rosenblat's memoir, "Angel at the Fence", which was set to be released in February.

"Berkley will demand that the author and the agent return all money that they have received for this work," Berkley spokesman Craig Burke said in a statement.

A movie version of the Rosenblats' story -- even though now proven a hoax -- remains in the works. (emphasis mine, MH).



More to come, Kaj, so don't you worry -- we will hear survivors' stories; just as you wanted. :)

btw -- and here's just an absolutely adorable pic of the two Holohoaxers as they beam over the success of their scam. Charming couple, aren't they, Kaj-Kike?

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Oprah Winfrey once dubbed it the "greatest love story" she had ever heard: a boy held at a Nazi concentration camp during WWII and a girl on the outside who tossed him apples to keep him alive. They eventually married and grew old together.



When reading fairytales such as the one above, one should ask: why didn't the little boy tell the girl through a camera over the fence so he could take a picture of kikes being gassed to death with "NAZI" gas. A single picture of the "gassing" narrative would go a long way.

When reading fairytales such as the one above, one should ask: why didn't the little boy tell the girl through a camera over the fence so he could take a picture of kikes being gassed to death with "NAZI" gas. A single picture of the "gassing" narrative would go a long way.If the lemming had a mind of his own he would do just that: ask. But, like Pavlov's dog, he reflexively does as his semitic svengalis would have him do: obey orders and accept the world as presented to him by his master.

Aw, sweet jewsus-on-a-stick... I can just hear Kaj-kike whining now: Enough of this gibberish! I want more! more! more! stories related by Holocaust survivors! Waaaah! (Sheesh! The little hebe berates Roy for not addressing those poor, forever-picked-on jews who suffered so horribly at the hands of those nefarious Nazis; I do address them and do I get a word of thanks? Hell no.) Anyway, for a brief respite, and just to pacify the little fucker for a while, here's a few quickies:

- "Survivor" William Lowenberg had a magic thirst-quenching pebble; he neither ate nor drank water for three years and managed to survive on his saliva alone.

- "Survivor" Yankel Wiernak says that babies were torn in half; a jewess inmate leaped, in a single bound just like Superman, a 10' barbed-wire fence and managed to escape; guards nailed inmates' ears to walls and roasted jews alive on giant outdoor hibachis.

- "Survivor" Judith Perlaki says the gas chambers at Auschwitz were as long as 50 football fields, and that Germans tied women's legs together to prevent them from giving birth to yet more jewlets.

- "Survivor" Eva Olsson says that as many as five children at a time were burned alive in the crematoriums of Bergen-Belsen.

- "Survivor" Fred Schiefler tells Arizona high school students that he witnessed 4,000 jews being gassed to death within 15-20 minutes in the showers of Auschwitz.

- "Survivor" William Lowenberg had a magic thirst-quenching pebble; he neither ate nor drank water for three years and managed to survive on his saliva alone.

Lowenberg is a liar or a fool. His magic pebble. It was probably one of Irene Zisblatt's brown diamonds.

HOLOCAUST - Hiding Diamonds was a Bummer! (Irene Weisberg Zisblatt) - YouTube

Nice work, Jim.

And how about this whopper from the most famous Holocaust "survivor" of them all, Elie Wiesel, when he says of an alleged massacre of jews at Babi Yar:

"Later, I learned from a witness that for months after the massacre, the ground did not stop trembling and that from time to time, geysers of blood spurted up out of the earth."

The above from a jew who's made millions by having his "memoirs" published and charging upwards of $20,000 a pop for a two-hour appearance at colleges around the US in order to bedazzle the gullible goyim with his outright lies. Nice, huh?

It is a myth that the Nazis considered Slavs as untermensch/untermenschen (subhumans) non-Aryans, there is no evidence to suggest this but the actual opposite that Slavs WERE regarded as Aryan. See below:

The Ahnenpaß stated that "wherever they might live in the world" Aryans were "e.g. an Englishman or a Swede, a Frenchman or a Czech, a Pole or an Italian".

Source: http://www.jungefreiheit.de/Single-News-Display-mit-Komm.154+M51bf1bf199c.0.html

"He (Himmler) then singled out those nations which he regarded as belonging to the German family of nations and they were: the Germans, the Dutch, the Flemish, the Anglo-Saxons, the Scandinavians and the Baltic people. 'To combine all of these nations into one big family is the most important task at the present time' (Himmler said). 'This unification has to take place on the principle of equality and at that same time has to secure the identity of each nation and its economical independence, of course, adjusting the latter to the interests of the whole German living space. . . After the unification of all the German nations into one family, this family. . . has to take over the mission to include, in the family, all the Roman nations whose living space is favored by nature with a milder climate...I am convinced that after the unification, the Roman nations will be able to persevere as the Germans...This enlarged family of the White race will then have the mission to include the Slavic nations into the family also because they too are of the White race . . . it is only with such a unification of the White race that the Western culture could be saved from the Yellow race . . . At the present time, the Waffen-SS is leading in this respect because its organization is based on the principle of equality. The Waffen-SS comprises not only German, Roman and Slavic, but even Islamic units and at the same time has proven that every unit has maintained its national identity while fighting in close togetherness . . . I know quite well my Germans. The German always likes to think himself better but I would like to avert this. It is important that every Waffen-SS officer obeys the order of another officer of another nationality, as the officer of the other nationality obeys the order of the German officer."

Source: Latvian Legion. by Arturs Silgailis, p.348-349

According to the Nazi "Ancestral Proof" all the "the non-Jewish members of all European Volk are Aryans".

Source: The Nazi Ancestral Proof: Genealogy, Racial Science, and the Final Solution by Eric Ehrenreich, p.10

From a purely racial standpoint all European peoples belonged to the Aryan family and were thus fundamentally "racially equivalent", and even according to German ethnology it was impossible to speak of a "Slavic race". The justification against the Slavs lay rather in the point of a "depopulation policy" of the East as Slavs and all non-Germans represented a major völkisch threat, as well as the Nazis struggle against Bolshevism.

Source: "Non-Germans" Under the Third Reich: The Nazi Judicial and Administrative by Diemut Majer, p.63

"Ziemie zajęte przez Niemcy zostały częściowo włączone do III Rzeszy, z pozostałej części utworzono Generalne Gubernatorstwo (GG). Władze niem. wprowadziły podział ludności na Żydów i tzw. aryjczyków (m.in. Polaków), odmiennie traktując obie grupy (Żydów pozbawiły elementarnych praw ludzkich);" what means: "Terrains which were taken by the Germans were being gradually incorporated to the Reich, from the other parts General Government (GG) was created. German authorities introduced a segregation of people on Jews and so-called Aryans (mainly Poles), and both groups were treaten differently (Jews were deprived of basic human rights);".

Source: http://polska_pkurzydym.republika.pl/druga_wojna_swiatowa.htm

Why do people keep trying to push this "Slavs untermenschen" by the Nazis myth???

Anti-Slavic propaganda was used but then so again was anti-British propaganda used there is overwhelming evidence Slavs were still seen as Aryans by the Nazis.

Wikipedia has a hidden agenda that wants to push the "Aryan = blonde hair and blue eyes and "the Nazis considered anyone who was not Germanic as inferior non-Aryan" bs.

Even the whole Hitler considered Germans to be the master race is complete bollocks, the exact same as "Hitler hated all Jews and ordered the extermination of the Jews" it's bs.

Kajtimar I think you have a problem understanding the difference between war time propaganda and actually facts, can you show me one bit of evidence that the official National Socialist policy regarded Slavs as non-Aryans?

They never even spoke of a "Slavic race" for starters and evidence shows they were regarded as Aryan. When has anyone ever said there was no anti-Slavic propaganda... everybody knows that Slavs were treated harshly but this was nothing to do with the racial origins of the Slavs (same as Germanics)... it was politics.

You keep showing anti-Polish propaganda that was used and does not prove a damn thing a non-Germanisable Pole would not have been "exterminated" it is bs and your source of "By 1952, only about 3-4 million non-Germanized Poles (all of them peasants) were to be left residing in the former Poland. Those of them who would still not Germanize were to be forbidden to marry, the existing ban on any medical help to Poles in Germany would be extended, and eventually Poles would cease to exist." is by a Jew and has no footnotes to back this up.

Do you know why Himmler said "In 1941 it was decided to destroy the Polish nation completely" because the Poles were resisting the German expansion into the East and were anti-lebensraum (obviously) and it clearly did not mean all Poles seeing as many of Hitler's close people were of Polish descent.

Also Hitler originally wanted to have Poland as an ally against the Soviet Union but they always refused which led to even more hatred against Poland's government and the people, again... this has nothing to do with the racial origins of the Slavs nor does it prove they were regarded as non-Aryan... are you aware of the "Aryan district" in Poland after the occupation which was mostly full of Poles (see above)?

The British were seen as "The Jews of the Aryan race" - does that mean they were not regarded as Aryan anymore? :rofl

It is a myth that the Nazis considered Slavs as untermensch/untermenschen (subhumans) non-Aryans, there is no evidence to suggest this but the actual opposite that Slavs WERE regarded as Aryan.
A

Statement:

1. Slavs are Aryan.

A: Why are Slavs Aryans?

B: They speak an Aryan language.


2. Nazis and Aryans

A: Did the Nazis consider Slavs as Aryans?

B: Only those with Aryan/Nordic features – they would be germanized.

Comment:

1.
The architects of the Plan decided that it would be possible to Germanise about 50 percent of the Czechs, 35 percent of the Ukrainians and 25 percent of the Belorussians.

2.
Generalplan Ost foresaw the removal of 45 million non-Germanizable people from Central and Eastern Europe, of whom 31 million were "racially undesirable", 100% of Jews, Poles (85%), Belorussians (75%) and Ukrainians (65%), to West Siberia,[3] and about 14 millions were to remain, but were to be treated as slaves.[5]

3.
In 1941 it was decided to destroy the Polish nation completely and the German leadership decided that in 10 to 20 years the Polish state under German occupation was to be fully cleared of any ethnic Poles and settled by German colonists.[13] A majority of them, now deprived of their leaders and most of their intelligentsia (through human losses, destruction of culture, the ban on education above the absolutely basic level, and kidnapping of children for Germanization), would have to be deported to regions in the East and scattered over as wide an area of Western Siberia as possible. According to the plan this would result in their assimilation by the local populations, which would cause the Poles to vanish as a nation.[11]

+ See also "Lebensborn program" (Nazis were kidnapping Slavic children who were seen as "racially acceptable").

B

Scandinavian neo-Nazi on the meaning of the word "Aryan":

Here's a cut-n-pasted commentary I've made before on this issue:

Don't make the fashionable error so often found within pop-neonazi racial distinctions; making 'aryan' interchangable with 'white'. The old racial anthropologists didn't. The reason some still do is because they confuse the racial term 'aryan' in classic racial anthropology with the linguistic field regarding indo-aryan/indo-iranian/indo-european.

The term "aryan" (etymologically meaning 'noble'), in classical racialism (not to be confused with the colloqual usage in newspaper articles or philology, linguistics) became more or less interchangable with nordic/teutonic/germanic and later (around the NS-era) including alpine sub-groups of the indo-european cluster through the works of Otto Ammon, Fritz Lenz, F. K. Günther, Madison Grant and several others during the first half of the 20th century (when it wasn't against political correctness to, sub-racially, categorize human groups in anthropological papers).

Comment: Nazis were Nordicists.

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"He (Himmler) then singled out those nations which he regarded as belonging to the German family of nations and they were: the Germans, the Dutch, the Flemish, the Anglo-Saxons, the Scandinavians and the Baltic people. 'To combine all of these nations into one big family is the most important task at the present time' (Himmler said). 'This unification has to take place on the principle of equality and at that same time has to secure the identity of each nation and its economical independence, of course, adjusting the latter to the interests of the whole German living space. . . After the unification of all the German nations into one family, this family. . . has to take over the mission to include, in the family, all the Roman nations whose living space is favored by nature with a milder climate...I am convinced that after the unification, the Roman nations will be able to persevere as the Germans...This enlarged family of the White race will then have the mission to include the Slavic nations into the family also because they too are of the White race . . . it is only with such a unification of the White race that the Western culture could be saved from the Yellow race . . . At the present time, the Waffen-SS is leading in this respect because its organization is based on the principle of equality. The Waffen-SS comprises not only German, Roman and Slavic, but even Islamic units and at the same time has proven that every unit has maintained its national identity while fighting in close togetherness . . . I know quite well my Germans. The German always likes to think himself better but I would like to avert this. It is important that every Waffen-SS officer obeys the order of another officer of another nationality, as the officer of the other nationality obeys the order of the German officer."

Request: Original Himmler's words in German are needed. The source of the original is also needed.

D

Extras:

1.
EUTHANASIA PROGRAM. Eugenic measures designed to improve the quality of the German "race" (see RACIAL DOCTRINE). On July 14, 1933, the Law for the Protection of Hereditary Health was promulgated for this purpose. This was the beginning of a development that culminated in enforced "mercy" deaths for the incurably insane and in plans for exterminating peoples said to be biologically inferior, such as Jews, Poles, Russians, and Gypsies. The program comprised three major classifications: (1) euthanasia for incurables, (2) direct extermination by Sonderbehandlung (special treatment), and (3) experiments in mass sterilization.
—Encyclopedia of the Third Reich

2.
On October 12, 1939, after Hitler conquered Poland, he appointed Frank chief civilian officer for occupied Polish territory and then Governor-General of occupied Poland. Frank described his policy in this post: "Poland shall be treated like a colony: the Poles will become the slaves of the Greater German Empire." He destroyed Poland as a national entity and exploited its human and material resources for the German war effort. Frank ran Poland in imitation of the Nazi state. He declared German to be the official language; he warned that Jews and Poles could be sentenced to death for any act of force against a German or for damage to a public installation; he confiscated Jewish and Polish property; he expropriated valuable paintings, including a Leonardo da Vinci and a Rembrandt, for his own home at Schliersee in southern Germany; and he allowed huge quantities of food to be smuggled from Poland to Germany. At a time when most of Europe was hungry, Frank set an elaborate table at the Governor's palace in Cracow
—Encyclopedia of the Third Reich

E

Kajtimar I think you have a problem understanding the difference between war time propaganda and actually facts, can you show me one bit of evidence that the official National Socialist policy regarded Slavs as non-Aryans?
Statement:

1.
This thread does not try to prove that Slavs were seen as non-Aryans.

2.
This thread shows that Slavs were considered inferior to Germans.

3.
This thread shows that Slavs, who were seen as racially acceptable, were to be germanized.

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Hitler in his book even calls Russians "great people" that the Jews had destroyed.
False.

Comment: "For the organization of a Russian state formation was not the result of the political abilities of the Slavs in Russia, but only a wonderful example of the state-forming efficacity of the German element in an inferior race."
—Hitler, My Struggle

A: Why are Slavs Aryans?

B: They speak Aryan language.

Blacks in America speak an Aryan language.

Aryan is a historical term for a group of ancient Indo Europeans. In the 19th Century the term came into use as a poetic designation for people of European or White descent. Linguists continued to use the term to signify a language group. After the European holocaust of World War II the term went out of fashion. With the advent of mass free speech on the emergent internet the term has come back into usage by the White resistance. The term now is essentially a designation for White wolves, or fighting whiteys.

Blacks in America speak an Aryan language.
Answer:

1.
Bulgarians speak an Aryan language.

2.
Original Bulgarians (Bulgars) were Turkic tribe.

3.
Bulgarians, who share similar DNA with western Turks, are considered "Aryan" by neo-Nazi Americans.

Question: How much "white" admixture does a black person need to be considered "Aryan" by the American neo-Nazi standards?


Aryan, Arian

1.) [f. Sanskrit ārya, in the later language ‘noble, of good family,’ but apparently in earlier use a national name ‘comprising the worshippers of the gods of the Brahmans’ (Max Müller); cf. Zend airya ‘venerable,’ also a national name, and Old Persian (Achæmenian) ariya national name (applied to himself by Darius Hystaspes); whence probably Gr. Ἀρεία, Ἀρία, L. Arīa, Aria, and Ariāna, the eastern part of ancient Persia, and Pehlevi and mod.Pers. Irân ‘Persia.’ As a transl. of L. Ariānus ‘of Aria or Ariana,’ Arian has long been in English use: Aryan is of recent introduction in Comparative Philology, and is also by many written Arian, on the ground that āria was the original word, as shown by the Vedic language, ārya being only the later Sanskrit form; the spelling Aryan has the advantage of distinguishing the word from Arian in Eccl. Hist.


2.) Applied by some to the great division or family of languages, which includes Sanskrit, Zend, Persian, Greek, Latin, Celtic, Teutonic, and Slavonic, with their modern representatives; also called Indo-European, Indo-Germanic, and sometimes Japhetic; by others restricted to the Asiatic portion of these. absol., the original Aryan or Arian language.


3.) Under the Nazi régime (1933–45) applied to the inhabitants of Germany of non-Jewish extraction.


Slavs are "Aryans" according to the 2nd definition, because they speak an Indo-European language.

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As regards the Germanisation of the Eastern territories, we shall not succeed except by the application of the most severe measures. Nevertheless I am convinced that these territories will bear a profound Germanic imprint after fifty years of National Socialist history!

1.
According to Forster, it would appear that Professor Günther, a specialist in these matters, was quite right when he asserts, after a tour of ten-odd days through the province of Danzig, that four-fifths of the Poles living in the north of that province could be Germanised. When called upon to make decisions in such cases one should not forget, added Forster, that real life is always stronger than theory, and that therefore one should Germanise wherever possible, bearing in mind past experience and relying on one's common sense. In the southern and south-eastern parts of the province, it would be better to start by establishing garrisons, with the object of "resuscitating" the population, and only later to examine the possibilities of Germanisation.

2.
The views of Gauleiter Forster met with strong opposition, especially from Reichsleiter Bormann. The latter admitted the necessarily empirical character of some of the decisions to be taken, but maintained that, as regards the Poles, care should be exercised not to Germanise them on too wide a scale, for fear they might inoculate the German population with too strong a dose of their blood, which could have dangerous consequences. At this point the Fuehrer spoke again:

B
It is not possible to generalise on the extent to which the Slav races are susceptible to the Germanic imprint. In point of fact, Tsarist Russia, within the framework of her pan-Slav policy, propagated the qualification Slav and imposed it on a large diversity of people, who had no connection with the Slavonic race. For example, to label the Bulgarians as Slavs is pure nonsense; originally they were Turkomans. The same applies to the Czechs. It is enough for a Czech to grow a moustache for anyone to see, from the way the thing droops, that his origin is Mongolian. Among the so-called Slavs of the South the Dinars are predominant. Turning to the Croats, I must say I think it is highly desirable, from the ethnical point of view, that they should be Germanised. There are, however, political reasons which completely preclude any such measures.
—Hitler, Table Talk

1.
"The Nordic race once existed in eastern Europe, but here again, it was intermixed with a variety of other races, including Magyars, Slavs, Mongols, Jews and so on. If the Germans had survived in our time as overlords without mixing, then this area might have continued to have a civilisation as it had had earlier in world history. But Rosenberg believed that it was lost, and the area could only be used as land suitable for depopulation and resettlement."
—The Myth of the 20th Century (Mythus des XX. Jahrhunderts) An Evaluation of the Spiritual-Intellectual Confrontations of Our Age by Alfred Rosenberg; Introduction to the English Edition

2.
"The one eyed maniacal Ziska of Trocnow, whose head in the Prague National Museum shows him to have been an eastern hither Asiatic type, was the first expression of this totally destructive Taborite movement, which the Czechs must thank for the extermination of the last remaining Germanic powers active within them, as well as the repression of all that was truly Slavic."
—Alfred Rosenberg

3.
"Alfred Rosenberg, in The Myth of the Twentieth Century, spoke of the inherent superiority of the German Nordic race and urged that it be kept free from the disruptive influences of Etrusco-Syrio-Judaeo-Asiatic-Catholic dominance. In Mein Kampf Hitler insisted that it was the business of the state to place race at the center of attention and to keep the race clean. The racial ideology of Mein Kampf, with its emphasis on "culture-bearing" and "culture- destroying" races, came directly from Gobineau's Essai. The philosophy of a French racialist became the foundation stone for race ideology in the Third Reich."
—Encyclopedia of the Third Reich

Even if all of this is true (which it isn't, but for the sake of the discussion) - how many here are actually National Socialists and/or 'Hitlerites'?

I'm willing to be, a minority (less than 50%).

A sizeable group, sure, but not one that is representative of all people here.

But you continue to insist that Hitler's views and policies and politics are representative of all posters here.

If you ask me, Hetzenauer was being too kind when describing who and what you are ...

^ Answer:

1.
Constant threads about Hitler.

2.
The great majority of VNNF and Stormfront users are neo-Nazi (take a look at their avatars and posts).

3.
There's not a single "white-nationalist" person on VNN who condemns Hitler's actions.

Conclusion: "White-nationalists" (neo-Nazis) would side with Hitler and support his Germanisation plans for Central and Eastern Europe.

^

1: There's more threads dealing with jews and negroes - by your 'logic' ...

2: This isn't Stormfront.

Also: have you done some sort of comprehensive survey, or are you assuming? (Don't bother to answer that: I know you're assuming for rhetorical purposes.)

Also also: "ARE neo-Nazi" (plural), not "IS neo-Nazi" (singular and/or uncountables). ;)

3: I myself resent the German alliance (out of expedience) with Japan, a non-White country with territorial designs on Australia, my country (which at the time was officially a Whites-only country).

That, to me, proves Hitler and the NSDAP was first and foremost for his (and their) own country and people, even at the expense of other White nationalities and peoples.

But it was for his people's best interests (as they say) at the time. I know, someone who was for their own people first and foremost - shocking stuff to a Commie like you, right?

(Let's not bring up Uncle Joe's devil's bargain with Hitler here, right? If we do, you might have to conclude that Commies are also Nazis, 'commie-nazis' if you will, and that would just break your heart, right?)

But ... we can read about that anywhere. Anywhere. Why clutter up space here with it? It's much better to use this resource to discuss topics which are 'officially verboten and un-Kosher', as they say.

Anyway, why do you think you get to 'shape the discourse' here?

^ Answer:

1.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t919410/ http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t338561/

2.
The great majority of ... is or are?

3.
I am not a communist.

4.
If you think my posts are false, disprove them.

Trivia: Disturbing VNNF user "alex revision" is constantly pasting articles about Hitler. There's not a single "white-nationalist" who would disagree with his posts (thumb him down).

I don't think your ego needs any more stroking; it's already of gargantuan proportions.

Speaking of stroking, how's your boyfriend "Valdez" going as the blow-boy of his Marines 'unit'? We haven't had any copy-and-paste flurries from him for, oh, weeks now!

Speaking of stroking, how's your boyfriend "Valdez" going as the blow-boy of his Marines logistics unit?
1.
http://shrani.si/f/a/k2/1cnX1PjR/unt12.jpg

2.
http://shrani.si/f/45/3L/3Su7cYJG/unt22.jpg

3.
http://shrani.si/f/1K/Du/1hnOqzzC/unt32.jpg

A

1.
"The Russia which Bismarck knew was not a typical Slavic State, at least insofar as it was a question of the political leadership of the same. In general, Slavdom is lacking in Stateforming forces. In Russia especially, government formations were always attended to by foreign elements. Since the time of Peter The Great there were, above all, very many Baltic Germans who formed the skeleton and the brains of the Russian State [...]

2.
A great Russia would neither have arisen nor would she have been able to preserve herself without this really German upper and intellectual stratum. As long as Russia had been a State with an autocratic form of government, this upper stratum, which in truth was not at all Russian, also decisively influenced the political life of the gigantic empire.

3.
[...] Slavdom is altogether lacking in any organising ability and thereby also in any Stateforming and Statepreserving power. Take away all the elements which are not purely Slavic from Slavdom, and it will immediately succumb to disintegration as a State.

4.
Since this State will no longer possess a Statepreserving upper stratum anchored anywhere, it will become a source of eternal unrest and eternal insecurity. A gigantic land area will thus be surrendered to the most variegated fate, and instead of stabilisation of relations between States on Earth, a period of the most restless changes will begin.

5.
For the future, an alliance of Germany with Russia has no sense for Germany, neither from the standpoint of sober expediency, nor from that of human community. On the contrary, it is good fortune for the future that this development has taken place in just this way because, thereby, a spell has been broken which would have prevented us from seeking the goal of German foreign policy there where it solely and exclusively can lie: territory in the east.

6.
Germany decides to go over to a clear, farseeing territorial policy. Thereby she abandons all attempts at world industry and world trade, and instead concentrates all her strength in order, through the allotment of sufficient living space for the next hundred years to our Folk, also to prescribe a path of life. Since this territory can be only in the east, the obligation to be a naval power also recedes into the background."
—Hitler

B

"The Folkish State, conversely, must under no conditions annex Poles with the intention of wanting to make Germans out of them some day. On the contrary, it must muster the determination either to seal off these alien racial elements, so that the blood of its own Folk will not be corrupted again, or it must without further ado remove them and hand over the vacated territory to its own National Comrades."
—Hitler