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Samuel Francis, RIP
(1947 - 2005)
We’re sad to report that Sam Francis, associate editor and book review editor of The Occidental Quarterly, died last night of complications from recent heart surgery. Funeral arrangements are pending and we will announce them here when we get the details.

The following is a brief biographical sketch on Samuel Francis.

Samuel Francis was born in Chattanooga, Tennessee, on April 29, 1947. He was educated at The Johns Hopkins University (B.A., 1969) and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, from which he received a Ph.D. in modern history in 1979. From 1977 to 1981, he was a policy analyst at The Heritage Foundation in Washington, D.C., specializing in foreign affairs, terrorism, and intelligence and internal security issues. From 1981 to 1986, he was legislative assistant for national security affairs to Senator John P. East (Republican – North Carolina) and worked closely with the Senate Judiciary Committee’s Subcommittee on Security and Terrorism, of which Senator East was a member.

Mr. Francis joined the editorial staff of The Washington Times in 1986 as an editorial writer. He served as Deputy Editorial Page Editor of The Washington Times from 1987 to 1991, as Acting Editorial Page Editor from February to May, 1991, and as a staff columnist through September, 1995.

Mr. Francis received the Distinguished Writing Award for Editorial Writing of the American Society of Newspaper Editors (ASNE) in both 1989 and 1990. He was a finalist for the National Journalism Award (Walker Stone Prize) for Editorial Writing of the Scripps Howard Foundation in 1989 and 1990.

His twice-weekly column was nationally syndicated through Creators Syndicate.

Mr. Francis was the author of several articles and studies of international and domestic terrorism, including The Soviet Strategy of Terror (1981; rev. ed., 1985).

A prolific writer on issues of public policy, he published articles or reviews in numerous newspapers and magazines, including The New York Times, U.S.A. Today, National Review, The Occidental Quarterly, A Journal of Western Thought and Opinion, of which he was Associate and Book Editor, and Chronicles: A Magazine of American Culture, of which he was a Contributing Editor and for which he wrote a monthly column “Principalities and Powers.”

He was the author of Power and History: The Political Thought of James Burnham (1984) and Beautiful Losers: Essays on the Failure of American Conservatism (1993) and a number of other books. He was also the editor of the forthcoming volume Race and the American Future (Washington Summit Publishers, 2005).

Sincerest condolences to Sam Francis' family.

Whatever criticism of his work has been said or will be said, we can agree Sam Francis loved his people and tried hard to help our situation.

Requiescat in pacem.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]Whatever criticism of his work has been said or will be said, we can agree Sam Francis loved his people and tried hard to help our situation. [/QUOTE]

Another Linder and Intrepid jousting match coming up, or will both take the high road? :confused:

While Francis never rose to Linder's (and my) level of "name the jew" honesty, he was head and shoulders above 99% of kike-controlled journalists. It took courage to say what he did and I'm sure his career suffered for his convictions.

list of articles linked here:

http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=4616

The Origins of the Word “Racism” (2005-01-29 11:00:32)

Anarcho-Tyranny—Where Multiculturalism Leads (2005-01-03 10:05:39)

Morality Not the Only Target on Monday Night Football (2004-11-30 23:36:11)

Bush Opposes All Invasion Controls (2004-10-15 18:57:27)

Will New California be Like Old Mexico? (2004-10-01 10:38:19)

When the State is the Enemy of the Nation (2004-07-21 20:35:03)

South Africa In Our Future? (2004-06-29 16:24:57)

White Zimbabwean Couple Survive Attack (2004-06-15 13:50:25)

Somali Immigrant Charged in Bombing Plot (2004-06-15 01:56:18)

'Hispanic' Hype Befuddling GOP (2004-06-09 07:24:34)

White Activist Warns of 'Totalitarian Manipulation of Expression' (2004-04-27 12:16:09)

White Activist Dr. Sam Francis Decries Deception about South Africa (2004-04-11 09:32:19)

Dr. Samuel Francis Supports Embattled Harvard Scholar (2004-03-26 09:40:45)

“Anti-Racists” Say Lord of the Rings too “Eurocentric” (2004-03-01 10:28:26)

Book Review: Communism, the Cold War, and the FBI Connection (2003-11-02 22:40:17)

Sam Francis on Non-White Immigration (2003-10-23 10:44:57)

Conservatives Always Lose (2003-10-01 14:58:08)

Israel is a Real Threat to U.S. Interests (2003-09-27 01:24:00)

Sad news indeed !

I never met him , but JOHN TYNDALL spent some time with him in the US and rather liked him.

:(

"Conservatives, trained to accept facts and acknowledge limits, schooled in the history of our nation and their own intellectual forebears, know the truth about race but deny it in public, just like Peter denied Jesus. This denial, more precisely the guilty conscience it produces, is the hidden key to their exaltation of prudence as the highest virtue: it provides cover for their cowardice, their failure of intellectual and political stewardship. This inner guilt manifests itself in bodily flaws such as Sam Francis' porcine bloat, or Gary Bauer and Ralph Reed's literal physical shrinking upon setting up their various Ankle-Grabbers for Israel groups. To see what I'm driving at, imagine a German, not an English muffin like Francis, whispering, "I can't say that about jews!" There's nothing as sophisticated as plain truth, when the truth is in fact plain. Sad these conservatives, part con men, part serfs - all Kohn's men".


So now Cannys dead, pftttt!

57? ONLY 57? The Man should've lived at least another twenty years!!

And,of course, the media will show no sympathy ,or even mention his passing. In doing so, this will be their way of throwing another important name down The Memory Hole - unlike when a gross liberal columnist croaks;when erma bombeck died,every network metioned it,luuuuuuuuvingly,and when the likes of art buchwald , or frank rich, or racist jiggarilla bob herbert ,etc,etc ,croak,the three big networks will mention their deaths with total luuuuuuuuuuuuuuv and admiration , on the evening news shows.

Us Human Beings(aka WHITE PEOPLE) will always remember you,Mr. Francis.Heaven Bless you for everything you tried to do to help The White Race.

[QUOTE=White Winger]57? ONLY 57? The Man should've lived at least another twenty years!!

And,of course, the media will show no sympathy ,or even mention his passing. In doing so, this will be their way of throwing another important name down The Memory Hole - unlike when a gross liberal columnist croaks;when erma bombeck died,every network metioned it,luuuuuuuuvingly,and when the likes of art buchwald , or frank rich, or racist jiggarilla bob herbert ,etc,etc ,croak,the three big networks will mention their deaths with total luuuuuuuuuuuuuuv and admiration , on the evening news shows.

Us Human Beings(aka WHITE PEOPLE) will always remember you,Mr. Francis.Heaven Bless you for everything you tried to do to help The White Race.[/QUOTE]

I noticed from the bagel lickers obit that he at one time worked for the Heritage Foundation. So-called "conservative movement think tank" which just happens to be run by one Edwin Feulner (Likely Jewish). Married to Linda Claire Leventhal(definitely jewish) and author of Hate is Hate.

http://www.heritage.org/About/Staff/EdwinFeulner.cfm

Here Feulner kisses jew ass in his Hate is Hate article much the same way canny always did.

http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed050602.cfm

Cannys passing is no loss IMO. Just another gutless, sellout PaleoKohn who ate one to many bagels with cream cheese.

Maybe the gentle jewish docters were warned that Sam Francis was an evil racist who was already naming the nigger and might start naming the jew, so the kind violinplaying dr. Finkenstein just gave Sam Francis a little extra, to prevent another holocaust.

Sam Francis should have eaten less bagels and should have mentioned the jew more often. He would have been alive now.

From Thomas Fleming:

Samuel Francis, Requiescat In Pace Domini
by Thomas Fleming

It is with unspeakable regret that I have to report the death of my friend and colleague Sam Francis. In any age, he would have been a remarkable man for the penetration of his mind, his unflinching pursuit of truth—regardless of current cant or personal consequences—and the gravity of his style. In our age, he is peerless, and his death represents an irreplaceable loss.

Sam and I were friends and allies for over 25 years, and although we had an occasional falling-out—once for many months—I never ceased admiring his work and his character. A gentleman of a school so old we can no longer recognize its existence, Sam never talked of his “feelings” and if one spoke of loyalty or friendship, he was sure to make an ironic quip. Nonetheless, I learned early on that he was loyal to his friends even (especially) when it entailed a threat to his own interest. In so many ways, he was the opposite of most conservatives. He rarely talked a good game, but he always played one.

Sam’s deep sense of loyalty became very apparent during the struggle over M.E. Bradford’s proposed nomination as head of the National Endowment for the Humanities. This was the first occasion on which the neoconservatives showed their hand, and none of Mel’s friends—least of all Sam—has ever forgotten the dirty part played by Irving Kristol, George Will, and the head of a leading conservative think-tank. As an assistant to Sen. John East, Sam worked tirelessly, both on the Hill and among conservatives, to support his friend’s nomination, but to no avail. Too many true-blue “Reagan” conservatives either did not care or simply looked the other way. This was the first of many defeats in which Sam showed himself an American Cato.

I first met Sam Francis when we were both in graduate school at Chapel Hill. The year was probably 1969 or 1970. I had been hearing tales of a conservative society on campus and of a brilliant student of English history with a Machiavellian grasp of political reality. E. Christian Kopff, a fellow-student in classics and a member of the conservative society, arranged a lunch with Sam. I do not recall much of what we talked about, though I do remember disagreeing with Sam and Chris on the subject of American Indians, who, I felt then as I feel now, had been treated unworthily by a supposedly Christian people—the last indignity being the welfare system that has degraded them. It was a friendly disagreement, though, and for the most part I discovered that Sam and I stood on common ground.

I did not regard myself as a conservative at the time, though my views on tradition, literary form, manners, and moral decency were already well formed. Where I parted company with the young conservatives was not in their respect for Burke or the constitutional order but in what seemed to me a strange respect for the journalists and politicians who led the conservative movement. It would not be too many years before I considered myself a conservative or before my conservative friends adopted a more realistic approach to “the movement.”

Sam, Chris, and Clyde Wilson—whom I did not meet until later—were the core of the conservative group, which had an unlikely faculty friend and mentor in the moderate Republican John Shelton Reed. I saw little, if anything, of Sam until he returned to defend his dissertation. We met at the home of Robert Hickson, a West Pointer who had served in Southeast Asia and was now pursuing medieval studies. Bob had sat in on at least one of the classes I was teaching.

When I returned to South Carolina, after several years at Miami of Ohio, I remained in touch with Dr. Kopff, who, on one of his frequent visits to our little cottage, suggested that we drive up to Columbia to see Clyde Wilson. Later, when I proposed to Clyde that we start a conservative Southern journal, the first people we brought into the project were Sam Francis, John Reed, and Chris Kopff. Thus was born the short-lived and ill-fated “Chapel Hill Mafia” or, as Walker Percy once called it, the “Tarheel conspiracy.” When I came to Chronicles, Sam was already writing occasionally for the magazine, but when I became editor we quickly agreed that he would become Washington editor, a position he retained up to his death.

Sam Francis was a skeptic about most things, including religion. Some of his resentment against what he saw as the liberal influence of Christianity had been abating, however, and I have good reason to believe he met his end as a Christian.


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From Jared Taylor:


In 1986 or 1987 I was sitting in my house in Menlo Park, California, reading an article in a San Francisco newspaper. I had not noticed the author’s name when I began the article, but halfway through, I said to myself: “This is a mainstream article in a mainstream paper, but this man is one of us.” I looked up at the by-line, and made a mental note to remember the author’s name. It was Samuel Francis.

I began to look elsewhere for the Francis by-line, and soon he and I were in correspondence. I flew to Washington, DC, on business—probably in 1988—and Sam agreed to meet me for dinner. It was the first of countless dinners, meetings, phone calls, conversations, and was the beginning of what became a cherished friendship. This first meting with Sam was before I had started what became American Renaissance, and over the months he strongly urged me to begin publishing. He promised to write for the magazine, and the knowledge that I could rely on at least one top-notch contributor was a source of much encouragement in what could have been an uncertain venture.

It was in those early years of our friendship that I learned that beneath Sam’s gruff manner there was warm-hearted and sensitive man—even a shy man. When I would telephone, he would greet me as if I were a bill collector. “Hey, how are you doing,” or, “Great to hear from you,” were not Sam’s style. But he was glad to hear from me, and he continued to write for AR and offer invaluable advice.

When, after several years of publishing, I decided to hold a conference for AR readers, Sam was the first person I thought of as a speaker. The 1994 conference—once again, an uncertain undertaking—was a great success thanks, in no small measure, to Sam’s willingness to speak. At every AR conference since then, his talk has always been one of the best attended and best received. His droll wit, his striking parallels, his arresting metaphors, his impromptu sallies during the question period—no one could both edify and entertain as Sam could, and he was always at the center of a convivial circle late into the night.

Unfortunately, much as Sam’s association benefited AR, the reverse was not always true. In fact, his participation at the 1994 conference was at least partly responsible for a sudden shift in his career. From the time I had first known him, Sam had been both a syndicated columnist and a staff columnist for The Washington Times. His position at the Times was one of high visibility and considerable influence, and just as many people subscribed to Chronicles mainly to read Sam’s column, a certain number of readers picked up the Times only because he wrote for it.

Sam first got in trouble at the Times for a column ridiculing the Baptist Church for an official, groveling apology over slavery. Though the column did not defend slavery, Sam pointed out that nowhere in the Bible is slavery considered a sin, and that the Baptists had no doctrinal reason to apologize for something in which no living Baptist had had a part.

The Times gave him a warning, but kept him on. Soon after, however, there was some publicity about his remarks at the 1994 conference. Though Sam himself never entirely understood why he was dismissed from the paper, the following words, spoken to the AR audience, appear to have been intolerable to the Times:

“The civilization that we as whites created in Europe and America could not have developed apart from the genetic endowments of the creating people, nor is there any reason to believe that the civilization can be successfully transmitted to a different people.”

Perhaps today, the Times would have overlooked this not-very-shocking statement, but ten years ago it was the equivalent of nitroglycerine, and Sam began a career as an independent journalist. His output was prodigious. In addition to his twice-weekly columns and monthly essays for Chronicles, he was editor of The Citizens’ Informer and book editor of The Occidental Quarterly. To this he added a regular stream of books and monographs, numerous speaking engagements, and service on several boards of directors, including that of AR’s parent organization, the New Century Foundation.

Of Sam’s brilliance and boldness as a thinker and writer there can be no doubt. The collection of his works on this page alone is ample testimony to that. He was undoubtedly the premier thinker and philosopher of white racial consciousness of our time. He was a man who could have built an impressive career as a public intellectual if, like so many, he had been willing to trim his sails and steer between the buoys. This, of course, was not Sam’s way, and by writing forcefully about what he knew to be true, moral, and vitally important, he sacrificed prominence and acclaim for the greater reward of doing what he saw to be his duty.

But as with so many men of great talent, Sam’s brilliance was just as striking in areas for which he was not well known. He read deeply in literature, both serious and popular. For example, he had an encyclopedic knowledge of the author H.P. Lovecraft, on whom he wrote several essays. It was a pleasure to discuss my own reading with Sam. Whether it was a novel by Joseph Conrad or a poem by Alexander Pope, Sam always had insightful recollections about the author and the work itself. I was partway through Dickens’s Dombey and Son when Sam died, and in a tiny corner of the immense sadness I feel, is the pang of knowing I will never have the pleasure of his commentary on that great novel.

Unlike many people, whose Ph.D. is a labor undertaken for professional purposes and quickly left behind, Sam’s historical learning reflected a real joy in knowing the past. He seemed to retain all he had ever learned, and was an inexhaustible source of insight and information. When, in my desultory way, I might stumble across an obscure but piquant incident from a 19th century British colonial campaign, Sam would know all about the campaign, why the colonial minister of the time had ordered it, and what objections had been raised by the foreign minister. When I first became acquainted with the Greek historian and geographer Strabo, Sam, of course, knew all about him and why he was important.

What a terrible waste that this immense fund of learning and insight should suddenly be struck down! There was no man who accomplished more for our cause, nor was there one with whom a more agreeable and edifying evening could be spent.

And so it is for both professional and personal reasons that I mourn the passing of a great mind and a good friend. Sam died only yesterday, and it has not yet entirely sunken in to me that this brilliant man is no longer with us. Those of us who shared his vision will carry on, as best we can, without him.

http://indianacofcc.org/images/sam%20francis%20and%20jared%20taylor.jpg
Jared Taylor and Sam Francis, 2002

I still wonder if the jewish doctors killed him for this: http://www.vdare.com/francis/050103_scandal.htm

He was finally beginning to name the jews. (And man, was he fat. He died after "complications" of vardiac surgery (a bypass I guess)).

[QUOTE=albion]http://indianacofcc.org/images/sam%20francis%20and%20jared%20taylor.jpg
Jared Taylor and Sam Francis, 2002[/QUOTE]

Canny sorta looks like a slightly older, Michael Moore.

http://frontierwebdesign.com/passtheammo/images/temp/fat-bastard-michael-moore-s.jpg

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]Sincerest condolences to Sam Francis' family.

Whatever criticism of his work has been said or will be said, we can agree Sam Francis loved his people and tried hard to help our situation.

Requiescat in pacem.[/QUOTE]

Well said, and thank you for starting this thread well.

Enkidu

[QUOTE=albion]http://indianacofcc.org/images/sam%20francis%20and%20jared%20taylor.jpg
Jared Taylor and Sam Francis, 2002[/QUOTE]

He'd lost a tremendous amount of weight, as well as quiting smoking; which, as many had inferred, greatly taxed his heart.

http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/images/samueltfrancis.jpg

I can merely say, your eloquent defense of our nation's institutions, cultural & racial hertiage knew nary a better man than thee. You will be remembered, Samuel Francis; you will be remembered, sir.

In an OD thread on his passing, Il ragno hit the proverbial nail-on-the-head far more articulately & with more reverence than I could, particularly right now.

Originally posted by il ragno
I know he was in bad shape- that he was obese, smoked too much, and then the heart surgery- but I never thought he'd succumb; not at a mere 57 years of age. I'm still too shocked to feel the loss yet.

I can imagine what the Official Obituaries are going to sound like....as if someone weird and sinister and infamous - a stubborn holdover from the blessedly-vanishing Bad Old Days - has met his ignoble end. Had he been born 25 or 30 years earlier, or later, he might be commemorated with the type of sentimental blather accorded the passing of August Personages. Sadly, he was not, and will not.

It was Francis' misfortune to have plied his trade in an era when up is down, black is white, fair is foul; and thus his even-keeled displays of clear-eyed common sense will instead be slid gingerly into a far corner with a long pole, as radioactive exhibits of extremism. That he was an eloquent and impassioned defender of every American's right to the Republic we were founded as, rather than the tightly-regimented, bar-coded Empire the Usurpers of America have fashioned for us, will be little noted, save by us.

And whether the next generation even knows, or cares about, the difference between the two - now, that's up to us as well.

RIP, Sam Francis.

From Peter Brimelow:

The sudden death on Tuesday night of Sam Francis, whom we had believed was recovering from aneurysm-related heart surgery, is a sad moment particularly for us.

Sam played a quiet but effective role in putting together the principals of VDARE.COM and the Center For American Unity. Later, we were happy to reciprocate by giving his syndicated column a web home when it was dropped without explanation by TownHall.com – part of the Beltway Right’s steady migration towards politically correct respectability.

Sam came from a long tradition of scholarly southerners that is now often forgotten. His fate cruelly paralleled that of the conservative movement to which he gave his life: long years of obscure labor, bravely borne, followed by dispossession at the moment of victory.

By the time the Republican Party for which he had worked so long had won Congress and the White House, he was effectively in exile, utterly alienated from the peculiar invade-the-world invite-the-world heresy that had suddenly and unexpectedly seized control of it. Sam’s firing from the Washington Times in 1995 was, in retrospect, a harbinger of this coup. As in the Trent Lott lynching, it was to be especially hard on southerners, despite (or perhaps because of) the fact they provided the GOP with the votes for victory.

Sam's great value to VDARE.COM was that he was his unflinching disregard of contemporary taboos. He was always prepared to say the unsayable.

With the end of the Cold War, he emerged as a type of white nationalist, defending the interests of the community upon which the historic United States was, as a matter of fact, built. This position, of course, is as legitimate as Black nationalism, Hispanic nationalism, or Zionism. It is, indeed, the inevitable result of multiculturalism that is being imported through public policy.

Although VDARE.COM is not a white nationalist site, we regarded him as an important part of the VDARE.COM coalition. And we will miss him very badly.

The Establishment, left and right, wasn't ready to listen to Sam. The logic of their own policies, however, means that eventually they will be forced to.

Like many older bachelors, Sam Francis became set in his ways. He could be gruff and even irascible. I suspect he was lonely, although no-one could have been surrounded by more loyal and devoted friends in his final days.

I have always been puzzled at the visceral animosity this reclusive and retiring figure provoked from the likes of John J. Miller and David Brock. Both launched campaigns to drive him out of public life. But for the internet, they might have succeeded. Sam was more hurt by these campaigns than he should have been—heartrendingly, you could always see in him the shy and sensitive little boy. I believe, however, that there will be a reckoning for these campaigns—as in the parallel case of Sam’s friend Pat Buchanan—in the future.

Also through the miracle of the internet, word of Sam’s passing has already spread around the world. A reader from Spain writes:

I have just noticed the news of Sam Francis's death. I have only been a few months reading Vdare.com but I’m going to miss his columns very much.

His heart has stopped and the mine has filled with sorrow. Regards for all, [NAME WITHHELD]

An America reader writes:

I am so shocked and saddened to learn of Sam Francis's death. His was a mind nonpareil and his absence will be a setback for our movement. I must confess that when calling up VDARE.COM I first would look for the most recent Sam Francis article and then, time permitting, would venture through VDARE.COM’s other offerings.

From his attendance at the American Renaissance conferences, I recall his quiet yet precise and cutting wit, his boyish face and encyclopedic mind. The room would hush when he spoke, none wanting to miss a syllable of his keen wisdom. If I'd only known his time was so limited I would have better used my opportunities to know and learn from him. This is a sad day for all of us. [NAME WITH HELD]

I don’t know these people, and I don’t think Sam did. But although he always professed to me an unwavering skepticism (Chronicles’ Tom Fleming, linked above, thinks otherwise) it is because of readers like these that he might say, like the Roman, non omnis moriar—I shall not all die.

We hope to expand out Sam Francis page into a permanent repository for his work.

Sam Francis will be missed dearly. Thanks to the kind words said about him on this thread by the VNN regulars.

[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]Sincerest condolences to Sam Francis' family.

Whatever criticism of his work has been said or will be said, we can agree Sam Francis loved his people and tried hard to help our situation.

Requiescat in pacem.[/QUOTE]

May I second that sentiment.

I was always 100% on Alex's side when he took "Canny" to task for evading or at least understating the Jew issue, but in his death, let us be gracious. Francis was a fellow countryman and a fellow kinsman who fought the good fight as best he knew how, and for that he deserves our respect.

[QUOTE=torcher88]May I second that sentiment.

I was always 100% on Alex's side when he took "Canny" to task for evading or at least understating the Jew issue, but in his death, let us be gracious. Francis was a fellow countryman and a fellow kinsman who fought the good fight as best he knew how, and for that he deserves our respect.[/QUOTE]

With all due respect, Torch. Francis, Brimelow, Taylor, Fleming, Buchanan and others are filthy traitorous cowards!! They won't name the jew unless it's prefaced by "code words" like neocon or paleo or Israeli or Aipac.

I thought as you once. Lets play softball to the jews hardball. I want to express opinions and judgments not based on reality but on the way I think things should be. The jews on the other hand have a structure of being, of history and political realities, money, power and use that state of force to cause physical change.

We White guys are confused by it all and play defense. We are not sure of the rules so we play it safe. Careers, our progression of our working life and professional achievements, family on the line. Hell, why rock the boat when we can be conservative repubs who stay out of the crosshairs?

The sad pitiful part of Francis is that he will forever be remembered by the jews and the rest of the lemmings as a weird, nutcase "racist". A "racist" who never had the nads to name the very people who wanted to destroy his people. Is their anything more deplorable than that?

I'll take Linder, thankyou!

You are completely right, Steve.

My comments are posted on front page. I'll repost them here. If you don't like my corpse-crit, I don't care. If you can point out where I'm wrong, I'm ears.

"Stupid, Party of One - Your Coffin is Ready!"

Canny Sammy Francis' one "original" contribution to American political discourse - a simple phrase that neatly obscured the problem Sammy never quite got around to dealing with. What made Sammy run? The jews... Let me explain: the Republicans are only stupid if you accept their words at face value. Accepting words and motives at face value, and ignoring deeds, is what got America in the mess it's in in the first place. Questioning motives, as the politically triumphant jews Sammy feared do -- as they always do, and and as they never cease doing, and as they always do right out of the chute -- is the only way to fight. The stupid party was Sammy Francis. The party he called stupid wins election after election. But then, by the same token, perhaps Francis wasn't that stupid either. He kept his income high, and all of it produced within the cosy confines of the System that insists against all evidence that race does not exist. At the same time, he kept alive his radical reputation. Ah, now we are seeing his true political genius: having it both ways, while pretending there was no conflict. Even so, as we heard from Sammy through back channels, he "couldn't" say anything about the jews. He would lose his valuable sydicated pulpit if he ever used it to tell the truth about the judeo-System. That's one of those ironies you need a Ph.D. to undertstand, you see. The honest man might say that a doctor who withholds the name of the disease from the patient is a quack. To further confuse matters, Francis used to like to alternate the "can't say that" with the "jews aren't the problem - gentiles who won't stand up to them are the problem!" You see, you nasty plumber, you electrician, you ditch-digger - YOU are the one responsible for standing up the jew, not him with the syndicated column! It's all very clever and confusing, unless you want to reduce it to its essentials, which may be seen easily enough. In political terms, Francis' death is a good thing - no, a very good thing. For the legacy of Francis is failure - complete, utter, unabashed going-backwards for twenty years. Francis as much as any man had the right to the title "leader of the fake opposition." Francis knew that jews were the heart of the problem. Guilt over what he felt he "couldn't" say occasionally led him so far as to claim that, no, in fact jews were not the problem. A man divided against himself cannot stand. So Francis sat down and ate until morbid obesity overcame and killed him. He died of a guilty conscience. Here's some crap from professional jeboo-fellatrix-slash-gloommonger Flemio: In any age, he would have been a remarkable man for the penetration of his mind, his unflinching pursuit of truth -- regardless of current cant or personal consequences -- and the gravity of his style. In our age, he is peerless, and his death represents an irreplaceable loss. Hey, Tonka Tom, de mortuis nil nisi BULLSHIT. The "gravity" of his style merely underlined his manifest failure to address the source of the problems he never did anything but tut-tut-tut about. The man himself admitted there were things he couldn't say. He flinched. You lie. Readers, if you settle for the cowardice of a Sam Francis, by God believe me, you will never get anything better, because they'll leap out of the woodwork to tell you the easy path is the right one. Sam Francis flinched for years, for decades, for, as it turned out, his entire life. Damn, I'm glad I'm not him. St. Peter: "So, you knew jews were the problem, but you feared to write it, even though you were uniquely positioned to see the fact, and uniquely empowered to print it." Canny Sammy, feeling more clammy than canny: "Uh...uh...uh...yeah, I mean, uh, I mean, it's not my job to put my job on the line!" "Sorry, son, wrong answer. Fighting the jews was our litmus test. You failed. NEXT!" For fear of what others will think (the English disease), for fear of career consequences (middle-class disease), for fear of standing athwart the crowd, for FEAR OF THE JEWS, you will never get the truth about the jews behind America's disintegration from the paleoconservatives. The paleoconservatives never have won anything, and never will win anything. In fact, in their heart they believe that winning is a sin. They believe wining is immoral. If that's how you feel, please leave VNN forthwith. But if you want to live, and you know that Christian mock-profundities voiced by male-cunt librarian-losers lead nowhere, then come with us.

Pauli Coward Roberts

What do the lib- and con-press have in common? Besides being typed by jews working off the same agenda? Well, not much, really. So why does the Girl call them "brownshirts"? It's not accurate. It wasn't funny the first time, and sure as hell isn't the millionth. Don't you find it funny, reader, that not even for variety's sake will a nutless wonder like the Girl call a jew a jew? Life is short, as Canny Sammy showed us by dying the other day - indecently depriving us of a target. Now he's got eternity to think about all the things he "couldn't" say. Don't put yourself in his position, reader. Live as a man. Speak your mind. Defend your position. If the jews are the problem, then not mentioning them is no kind of solution. Whether or not you use it, it goes, as the poet says. How will you be remembered? Francis will be remembered as a winker and a hinter - a man who never told the deep truth because he was afraid of the consequences for his career. In short, he was a career girl, he put his personal interests ahead of the cause, as do all "respectable" paleoconservatives. And that is why they are all, every last one of them, unfit for leadership. In a better position than 99.99% of the people he'd fain defend, he looked around and wondered why others weren't leading -- i.e., criticizing the jews. Poor Canny. Fate pointed a finger at him, and he blanched and said, "Who, me?" Now he's dead before sixty, the pressure of being one thing and pretending to be something else become too much for his heart to handle. Paleoconservatism isn't the solution, reader, it's part of the problem. It's the solution that, because it is defended by men who, if cowards, are intelligent cowards, makes a plausible, respectable, ineffectual trap for the intelligent, courageous men we need to take the one path that can save us: NO JEWS. JUST RIGHT. The future belongs not to the stupid party, but the White Freedom Party. For men and women who don't flinch from saying what's true for fear of the consequences. Oh, and by the way, we're going to hound you doubly now, Girl. Readers will note that Pauli has adopted more and more VNN rhetorical trappings as the months and years have gone by. Why? Because he knows, just as Canny Sammy did, that we're right in naming the jew as the sole cause of the symptoms we all bemoan. And he hates himself for not daring to call a jew a jew. In other words, he has a guilty conscience. And rightly so. Hope it doesn't kill you, Pauli the Coward, like it did Francis.

[QUOTE=Steve B]With all due respect, Torch. Francis, Brimelow, Taylor, Fleming, Buchanan and others are filthy traitorous cowards!! They won't name the jew unless it's prefaced by "code words" like neocon or paleo or Israeli or Aipac.

I thought as you once. Lets play softball to the jews hardball. I want to express opinions and judgments not based on reality but on the way I think things should be. The jews on the other hand have a structure of being, of history and political realities, money, power and use that state of force to cause physical change.

We White guys are confused by it all and play defense. We are not sure of the rules so we play it safe. Careers, our progression of our working life and professional achievements, family on the line. Hell, why rock the boat when we can be conservative repubs who stay out of the crosshairs?

The sad pitiful part of Francis is that he will forever be remembered by the jews and the rest of the lemmings as a weird, nutcase "racist". A "racist" who never had the nads to name the very people who wanted to destroy his people. Is their anything more deplorable than that?

I'll take Linder, thankyou![/QUOTE]

Did he fall short... sure, don't we all.

RIP Sam Francis

Hard-core truths and realities by Alex and Steve B. Steve stands for truth even when it's not personally advantageous, which is what I've always respected about him.

Francis, and all other "prominent" journalists, who decline to name the jew PUBLICLY, do so for the sole reason of personal security. They are all terrified of the jews and care far more for themselves and their families, than in telling the truth about the jews. Simple as that.

To not name the jew is LYING. It is misleading. It is deceptive. It is cowardly. It helps place the blame on the blameless. And it makes those lying gentile journalists accomplices of the jews, therefore assessories in the slavery of gentiles, and in the ongoing extermination of the White Race.

Personally, I would not spend one nickle, or one minute of my time on any WN endeavor, that did not name the GD jew.

[QUOTE=Doppelhaken]Another Linder and Intrepid jousting match coming up, or will both take the high road? :confused:[/QUOTE]
I guess that answers my question.


I don't understand Linder pissing on Francis' corpse, to gain what, exactly? "Destroy fake opposition?" The guy is destroyed, unless his obit is greatly exaggerated. Destroy him ideologically, i.e., his canting position? This will erode more support than it will inspire new revolutionary zeal. I'm neither Keystone (bandying of war dead), nor Anima (Tsunami, Miller's asian kid) so this isn't about fake moral outrage, but I thought Linder would remain wisely silent on Francis' death. Linder said he didn't want to be respectable, and he's certainly achieved that here, but what is left in its place?
Originally Posted by Steve B
The sad pitiful part of Francis is that he will forever be remembered by the jews and the rest of the lemmings as a weird, nutcase "racist".
Steve was the first to articulate what we were all thinking. It is sad and pitiful: there's no question about what Linder's goals are, something not pitiful and decadent for Whites, but I don't know if this made good tactical sense.

[QUOTE=Doppelhaken]I guess that answers my question.


I don't understand Linder pissing on Francis' corpse, to gain what, exactly? "Destroy fake opposition?" The guy is destroyed, unless his obit is greatly exaggerated. Destroy him ideologically, i.e., his canting position? This will erode more support than it will inspire new revolutionary zeal[/QUOTE]
It would have been better to keep silent, at least until he was in the grave. You don't have to suddenly drop disagreements with the man because he's dead, but the shit-slinging and snideness is going too far, I think...It comes off as petty jealousy.
I've read Francis since before our right-wing paper dropped his column. His writing will be missed.

RIP, Francis. Influenced many of us in many ways.

Happy to see any number of the obits still missing the main point about the Grand Old Man: He was a scholar who could have said Fuck It, got tenure, and just went along with the crowd. He was too honest for that.

No point in complaining that he was a "bad activist" because he never was an activist. He was a theorist. Read Eric Hoffer again; theorists and activists need each other despite not understanding each other. Francis' turf was the ground between What We Are Permitted To Say and What Is True. Nobody else worked it the way he did.

He leaves a big hole in the world. I miss him already. And at long last there is now no reason to read Chronicles.

[QUOTE=cg jung]Did he fall short... sure, don't we all.

RIP Sam Francis[/QUOTE]

Fall short? The point is he didn't try. No paleocon has ever mounted an attack on the jews - the folks who took over conservatism without a shot.

You all mourning the fat fool are facilitating jews' takeover of racialism in just the same way, via quack Taylor and the rest who welcome jews and reject jew critics.

Why is so hard for some people to come to grips with a simple proposition: if jews are the problem, then the problem must be named in order to be solved.
Once you grasp that, you must act on it. If you don't, if you pretend that divide can be bridged, you battle the fight to the enemy.

[QUOTE=Doppelhaken]I guess that answers my question.

I don't understand Linder pissing on Francis' corpse, to gain what, exactly? "Destroy fake opposition?" The guy is destroyed, unless his obit is greatly exaggerated. Destroy him ideologically, i.e., his canting position? This will erode more support than it will inspire new revolutionary zeal. I'm neither Keystone (bandying of war dead), nor Anima (Tsunami, Miller's asian kid) so this isn't about fake moral outrage, but I thought Linder would remain wisely silent on Francis' death. Linder said he didn't want to be respectable, and he's certainly achieved that here, but what is left in its place?[/quote]

When things must be said, it is always respectable to say them. I'm not going to allow half-wit hagiographies of Francis to go unchallenged, because the truth about the man is he made his living from the System he never challenged. I say nothing worse about him in death than I did in life.

The respect of paleocons isn't worth having, because they aren't respectable, neither intellectually nor politically. They are wise across a small range of literature and history, but for politics writ large, they are worse than useless. It would be better they did not exist at all.

We have a term for a doctor who can't or won't diagnose an illness, or who peddles bogus cures. He's called a quack. Paleocons are quacks. Philosemitic racialists are quacks too.

I gave Francis every possible chance to attack me when he was alive. And every possible provocation to. He didn't dare. He rumbled through back channels. But he felt he could go on ignoring the genuine article and passing off his shoddy goods as the real thing.

A guy like Francis is categorically different from a guy like Pierce. Whatever flaws the latter had, he stuck to the same correctly-grounded position his entire life. He always named the jew, and he always described in concrete, well documented ways, exactly what it was doing and its motive for doing so. Francis was the opposite of Pierce. He passed up literally every single opportunity that came along to describe what the jew was up to, and why.

"I can't say that" - Sam Francis' epitaph.

What you subsidize with your prayers and best wishes and praise -- you get more of. Do you want more Sam Francises or more William Pierces?


Steve was the first to articulate what we were all thinking. It is sad and pitiful: there's no question about what Linder's goals are, something not pitiful and decadent for Whites, but I don't know if this made good tactical sense.

If all were thinking it, and if it is relevant, then it is worth saying. Francis has no family that I know of. Like Buchanan, another one of these "links in an eternal chain" (Burke, more or less) conservatives, he broke the chain, and had no stake in the future.

We will never get where we need to go through men like Sam Francis. He chose the wrong way, and no one should follow his example.

[QUOTE=Alex Linder]Fall short? The point is he didn't try. No paleocon has ever mounted an attack on the jews - the folks who took over conservatism without a shot.[/QUOTE]
For not really trying, he certainly got a lot of peoples' attention. You seem to have a problem with him having had a PhD and a syndicated coulmn and a wide audience. Instead of springboarding off what he started (and you are), you villify the man. You arbitrarily slam anyone to purposely remain on the fringe. You seem more anti-jew than pro -white.
You all mourning the fat fool are facilitating jews' takeover of racialism in just the same way, via quack Taylor and the rest who welcome jews and reject jew critics.
There you go again.
[QUOTE]Why is so hard for some people to come to grips with a simple proposition: if jews are the problem, then the problem must be named in order to be solved.
Once you grasp that, you must act on it. If you don't, if you pretend that divide can be bridged, you battle the fight to the enemy.
The Jewish Tribal Review (http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/) categorically chronicles Zionist hi-jinks 24/7, and they don't defame the recently departed or piss and moan about who's the most hard-core . They just do their job.

IMO Pierce had more contempt for white lemmings and traitors than he did jews, or other non-whites. If most whites had even a fraction of racial solidarity the jews (less than three percent of the population), would be impotent.

The 60's were the opportune time to fight the jews. True jews sponsored the anti-white legislation, but whites in Congress let it all just sail right through. Southern white men were actively fighting integration, but collectively whites did little to support them and ZOG crushed them, as their numbers were too small.

Today, blacks and other non-whites such as hispanics are entrenched in government and demographically are their own political force. This political force would exist even if we can magically eradicate the jew.

Ample evidence suggests that jews are either a dying race or assimilating into the white gene pool, so just be aware how your message plays out to the larger white masses, which it is whom we need to connect to.

For clarity I'm not suggesting ignoring the jewish question.

[QUOTE=Jim Crowe]IMO Pierce had more contempt for white lemmings and traitors than he did jews, or other non-whites. If most whites had even a fraction of racial solidarity the jews (less than three percent of the population), would be impotent.[/QUOTE]
American whites love money, mobility and "lifestyle". Stick the kids in daycare for "careers". Put grandma in the home. Plan for an early retirement.
The 60's were the opportune time to fight the jews. True jews sponsored the anti-white legislation, but whites in Congress let it all just sail right through. Southern white men were actively fighting integration, but collectively whites did little to support them and ZOG crushed them, as their numbers were too small.
Northerners didn't like integration, either. Many of us fought bussing and forced integration tooth and nail, believe me. Don't confuse the common people with liberal politicians. You wouldn't believe the number of white bureaucrats up here that were mesmerized by social planning.
Today, blacks and other non-whites such as hispanics are entrenched in government and demographically are their own political force. This political force would exist even if we can magically eradicate the jew.
Exactly so.
Ample evidence suggests that jews are either a dying race or assimilating into the white gene pool, so just be aware how your message plays out to the larger white masses, which it is whom we need to connect to.
Beautifully said. Huzzah.

[QUOTE=Keystone]For not really trying, he certainly got a lot of peoples' attention. You seem to have a problem with him having had a PhD and a syndicated coulmn and a wide audience. Instead of springboarding off what he started (and you are), you villify the man. You arbitrarily slam anyone to purposely remain on the fringe. You seem more anti-jew than pro -white.
[/quote]

False. My criticisms are principled and consistent. I never say one thing and mean another. Because a criticism is, shall we say, tailored to a specific individual does not make it unprincipled, it simply enhances the effectiveness.

You all mourning the fat fool are facilitating jews' takeover of racialism in just the same way, via quack Taylor and the rest who welcome jews and reject jew critics.
There you go again.

The Jewish Tribal Review (http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/) categorically chronicles Zionist hi-jinks 24/7, and they don't defame the recently departed or piss and moan about who's the most hard-core . They just do their job.

They do a good job. But the job is much larger than simply getting out information about the jews. It involves building a movement to topple him.

I have always advocated the same political approach, and I will continue to:

Our litmus test for who we are:

1) name the jew (not neocon, zionist, liberal, secular humanist)
2) call yourself White (not conservative, not paleocon, not nationalist)

Our approach:

- relentless double attack on:

1) jews - for murdering America
2) conservatives - for pretending to oppoes 1) while in reality participating in the crime.

My approach could not be clearer. It has never wavered or changed on inch. It remains the correct way to go to build a clean, hard opposition to the ruling jews and their tyranny.

[QUOTE=Alex Linder]False. My criticisms are principled and consistent. I never say one thing and mean another. Because a criticism is, shall we say, tailored to a specific individual does not make it unprincipled, it simply enhances the effectiveness.



They do a good job. But the job is much larger than simply getting out information about the jews. It involves building a movement to topple him.

I have always advocated the same political approach, and I will continue to:

Our litmus test for who we are:

1) name the jew (not neocon, zionist, liberal, secular humanist)
2) call yourself White (not conservative, not paleocon, not nationalist)

Our approach:

- relentless double attack on:

1) jews - for murdering America
2) conservatives - for pretending to oppoes 1) while in reality participating in the crime.

My approach could not be clearer. It has never wavered or changed on inch. It remains the correct way to go to build a clean, hard opposition to the ruling jews and their tyranny.[/QUOTE]


And in conjunction with the attacks, Live White - which we will advocate and practice through our new party.

[QUOTE=Alex Linder]Pauli Coward Roberts

What do the lib- and con-press have in common? Besides being typed by jews working off the same agenda? Well, not much, really. So why does the Girl call them "brownshirts"? It's not accurate. It wasn't funny the first time, and sure as hell isn't the millionth. Don't you find it funny, reader, that not even for variety's sake will a nutless wonder like the Girl call a jew a jew? Life is short, as Canny Sammy showed us by dying the other day - indecently depriving us of a target. Now he's got eternity to think about all the things he "couldn't" say. Don't put yourself in his position, reader. Live as a man. Speak your mind. Defend your position. If the jews are the problem, then not mentioning them is no kind of solution. Whether or not you use it, it goes, as the poet says. How will you be remembered? Francis will be remembered as a winker and a hinter - a man who never told the deep truth because he was afraid of the consequences for his career. In short, he was a career girl, he put his personal interests ahead of the cause, as do all "respectable" paleoconservatives. And that is why they are all, every last one of them, unfit for leadership. In a better position than 99.99% of the people he'd fain defend, he looked around and wondered why others weren't leading -- i.e., criticizing the jews. Poor Canny. Fate pointed a finger at him, and he blanched and said, "Who, me?" Now he's dead before sixty, the pressure of being one thing and pretending to be something else become too much for his heart to handle. Paleoconservatism isn't the solution, reader, it's part of the problem. It's the solution that, because it is defended by men who, if cowards, are intelligent cowards, makes a plausible, respectable, ineffectual trap for the intelligent, courageous men we need to take the one path that can save us: NO JEWS. JUST RIGHT. The future belongs not to the stupid party, but the White Freedom Party. For men and women who don't flinch from saying what's true for fear of the consequences. Oh, and by the way, we're going to hound you doubly now, Girl. Readers will note that Pauli has adopted more and more VNN rhetorical trappings as the months and years have gone by. Why? Because he knows, just as Canny Sammy did, that we're right in naming the jew as the sole cause of the symptoms we all bemoan. And he hates himself for not daring to call a jew a jew. In other words, he has a guilty conscience. And rightly so. Hope it doesn't kill you, Pauli the Coward, like it did Francis.[/QUOTE]

Why Linder is the most hated "leader" within white nationalist circles today. What a complete loser.

[QUOTE=Alex Linder]False. My criticisms are principled and consistent. I never say one thing and mean another. Because a criticism is, shall we say, tailored to a specific individual does not make it unprincipled, it simply enhances the effectiveness.[/QUOTE]
Your criticisms are consistent, yes. You vehemently criticise anyone who doesn't want death to jews. Your position encompasses a fraction of a percent of white people. You are enhancing the effectiveness of your message to the disaffected sociopaths of our race.
They do a good job. But the job is much larger than simply getting out information about the jews. It involves building a movement to topple him.
Frankly, I don't think you have a snowflakes' chance in hell of ever building a movement. See above.
Our litmus test for who we are:

1) name the jew (not neocon, zionist, liberal, secular humanist)
2) call yourself White (not conservative, not paleocon, not nationalist)

Do you even read your own forum? Many think jews are the super-race able to plant anti-white memes into our collective psyches. Why is there no room for other ideologies? Are you a cult? Calling yourself white doesn't work, either. How many "are they white" threads have you seen? How do you know which people qualify for your movement?
Our approach:

- relentless double attack on:

1) jews - for murdering America
2) conservatives - for pretending to oppoes 1) while in reality participating in the crime.

Jews murdering America? You should get out more. Get a girlfriend and go to the beach or the mountains or an amusement park or a ballgame--- or anywhere. Sounds like you're a cloistered monk.
My approach could not be clearer. It has never wavered or changed on inch. It remains the correct way to go to build a clean, hard opposition to the ruling jews and their tyranny.
Get a life.

[QUOTE=Keystone]Your criticisms are consistent, yes. You vehemently criticise anyone who doesn't want death to jews. Your position encompasses a fraction of a percent of white people. You are enhancing the effectiveness of your message to the disaffected sociopaths of our race.

Frankly, I don't think you have a snowflakes' chance in hell of ever building a movement. See above.

Do you even read your own forum? Many think jews are the super-race able to plant anti-white memes into our collective psyches. Why is there no room for other ideologies? Are you a cult? Calling yourself white doesn't work, either. How many "are they white" threads have you seen? How do you know which people qualify for your movement?
Our approach:


Jews murdering America? You should get out more. Get a girlfriend and go to the beach or the mountains or an amusement park or a ballgame--- or anywhere. Sounds like you're a cloistered monk.

Get a life.[/QUOTE]

I've got a life, and it doesn't involve partying with niggers and spreading lies on forums. It's a great life and getting better every day because it is in line with my principles.

[QUOTE=Keystone]Your criticisms are consistent, yes. You vehemently criticise anyone who doesn't want death to jews. Your position encompasses a fraction of a percent of white people. You are enhancing the effectiveness of your message to the disaffected sociopaths of our race.

Frankly, I don't think you have a snowflakes' chance in hell of ever building a movement. See above.

Do you even read your own forum? Many think jews are the super-race able to plant anti-white memes into our collective psyches. Why is there no room for other ideologies? Are you a cult? Calling yourself white doesn't work, either. How many "are they white" threads have you seen? How do you know which people qualify for your movement?
Our approach:


Jews murdering America? You should get out more. Get a girlfriend and go to the beach or the mountains or an amusement park or a ballgame--- or anywhere. Sounds like you're a cloistered monk.

Get a life.[/QUOTE]

Well Keystone, it all boils to down to believing that Jews are largely responsible for our on-going destruction, or that it all happened by chance and we just became complacent and soft. Yes, I know that if you believe the former then we let them do it us. At this point I really don't give a rat's ass whether it was our own fault or not. Jews, by and large, control the levers of power in this country, and there is ample evidence for that. They are the ones herding whites off a cliff. They have to be removed.

Yes many people here want to wage a war of physical extermination against the Jews and their Zoo animals. That is what should be done to invaders. That's nature. Life is war - an eternal struggle to dominate or be dominated. I'd like to see you and your pet monkey friends fight over a rib when you are starving and cold.

[QUOTE=Alex Linder]I've got a life, and it doesn't involve partying with niggers and spreading lies on forums. It's a great life and getting better every day because it is in line with my principles.[/QUOTE]

Keystone try some other tactic to win a debate other than what it says in your ADL handbook on combating hate. All racist have some deep emotional problems; that is where the hate comes from. If all you nasty racists just got some fresh air and maybe laid once in a while everything would be great.

[QUOTE=Augustus Sutter]Well Keystone, it all boils to down to believing that Jews are largely responsible for our on-going destruction, or that it all happened by chance and we just became complacent and soft. Yes, I know that if you believe the former then we let them do it us. At this point I really don't give a rat's ass whether it was our own fault or not. Jews by and large control the levers of power in this country and there is ample evidence for that. They are the ones herding whites off a cliff. They have to be removed.[/QUOTE]
I agree that the present American executive branch is chock-a-block with Zionists, jewish and otherwise. The Israeli lobby is strong, no doubt about it. They will protect Israel to the nth degree. Dubya reiterated that just yesterday.
Do I believe all Jews are involved in this? No. Just about as much as I believe Jews cause bad weather or untie my shoestrings by magical curses.
The problem is the jewish "organizations", which attract the worst kind of people both jew and gentile. Attack organized "Jewry" by all means, because they are the culprits, not the ordinary local jews. Most of them are borderline or non-religious and care nothing for Israel. Don't you know any? I do.
Yes many people here want to wage a war of physical extermination against the Jews and their Zoo animals. That is what should be done to invaders. That's nature. Life is war - an eternal struggle to dominate or be dominated. I'd like to see you and your pet monkey friends fight over a rib when you are starving and cold.
Blacks ain't invaders to the US, Sutter. We brought 'em here. Remember? Too lazy to pick our own beans and cotton. They're part of the landscape, and they aren't going anywhere. The Mexican hordes coming aross the border today are another matter. They are aliens to our culture. That's what you should be worried about. Big time.

We brought 'em here. Remember? Too lazy to pick our own beans and cotton.

You must be very very old, but don't include the rest of us. Until I have believable documentation on exactly who brought them here I'll not even consider blaming anyone but a handful of opportunistic businessmen, likely as not not even of my race.

Sorry KEYSTONE, I must pull you up on this post.


WE did not invite blacks. Neither you, nor we, in the UK.

They were 'invited' by capitalists who sought their cheap labour .

In the UK, they were brought in to compete with the UK labour force. Now they breed like cockroaches.

I would suggest that the importers of these people be 'tracked down' and made to pay for their follies. They are still very rich. Their families still benefit from this cheap labour. But yet the average people have to fly from the coloured invasion of our towns and cities. That is if they can afford to do that.

Talk about fleeing from their responsibilities.

[QUOTE=heaven above]Sorry KEYSTONE, I must pull you up on this post.


WE did not invite blacks. Neither you, nor we, in the UK.

They were 'invited' by capitalists who sought their cheap labour .[/QUOTE]
Exactly so. We later "colonials" are still paying for that till this day.

In the UK, they were brought in to compete with the UK labour force. Now they breed like cockroaches.
Didn't quite work out as planned, did it? White hubris is a dangerous thing. We claim to be the higher race, but holler when the servants we imported to wipe our arses get out of hand. Perplexing. Maybe we should do the work ourselves?
I would suggest that the importers of these people be 'tracked down' and made to pay for their follies. They are still very rich. Their families still benefit from this cheap labour. But yet the average people have to fly from the coloured invasion of our towns and cities. That is if they can afford to do that.
I could not agree more. Well said.

Personally, I'm sorry to hear of Francis' death. I know the arguments about his not taking the all-important step of naming the jew (and I wrote him to encourage him to do so) - but he did do it on at least one recent occasion to my knowledge (a piece about kike "historian" Stanley Karnow), so at least it can be said he was moving in the right direction.

For me, Francis was that "gateway drug" that leads to the hard stuff: when I first saw him on C-Span, I was astonished that anyone in this day & age still had the fruit to stand up for Whites AS Whites (the lack of open jewcrit notwithstanding). It was tremendously exciting for the disillusioned conservative that I was to hear it because even that much was totally forbidden by the kikes and their cringing political whores. And I'm dead certain that many others have had that tiny residual spark of White consciousness fanned into flame by his writings.

Did he go far enough? No. Will his writings be the stopping point for the most intelligent readers beginning once again to awaken to their peoplehood & collective interests? No again. The really sharp ones will eventually see the fucking kike that Sam and others of his sort only hinted at.

And for that much at least, he deserves credit.

[QUOTE=N.B. Forrest] And I'm dead certain that many others have had that tiny residual spark of White consciousness fanned into flame by his writings...[/QUOTE]

He once said that, that he wanted to raise white consciousness.

He lived by his own code and that's what white nationalism ought to be about.

As far as fanning the flames go, we passed out many copies of his old paperback, Revolution From the Middle, which draws lots of people to the side of right, justice and THINKING LIKE A WHITE MAN.

Asking for more than that just misses the point of being white.

If Southern leaders had named the Jew in the 60's, the Civil Rights Movement would have failed in the South.

By 1964-65, the White South was UNITED and at REVOLUTIONARY pitch in it's hatred against the federal government, and against all those who were pushing for racial school integration, and for the removal of prayer and the bible from public schools. I've lived in those times, and I know what I'm talking about.

But instead of NAMING THE JEWS (especially the 3 jews who ran the only 3 TV networks in the country - NBC, CBS, and ABC), Southern leaders like George Wallace, Ross Barnett, etc., all blamed White gentile LIBERALS, and never once even mentioned the word JEW. No one did.

By their cowardice to NAME THE JEW who were the real orchestrators of racial integration and all the other Zionist Jew outrages, Southern leaders led the South into defeat and surrender. And became nothing more than accomplices of the jews, and assessories in the genocide of the White Race.

NAME THE GD JEWS !!!!

Sieg Heil !!!

There were lots of semi-racialist journalists back in those days (1960s) like Francis, Buchanan, Jared Taylor. U.S. Senator Jesse Helms was a TV commentator in Raleigh, NC at the time. There were hundreds of pro-White, small town newspapers, radio stations, and even some pro-White TV stations.

BUT NOT ONE OF THEM HAD THE GUTS TO NAME THE GD JEW !!!!!

And now we can all see where NOT NAMING THE GD JEW got us.

Alex Linder is right. Listen to him. Otherwise, you're on the wrong freakin track, and marching to a jew drummer.

[QUOTE=Alex Linder]

Nothing will change until we have power. The paleocons don't want power. They want to eat hearty and cry about M.E. Bradford until the end of days. I want to win. The jews are winners. The paleocons are whiners. The jews kick the paleocons...and they do nothing. I kick the paleocons...and they do nothing. I hate jews, but objectively, they're determined, organized men who fight. The paleoconservatives are pussies who roll over. Appeal to them? Fuck them, if they can't see and act on what's obvious in everything we bring them through VNN. Read the story on the front page about the fighting Scots-Irish. You don't have to be Scots-Irish to identify with the indomitable spirit of Andrew Jackson, and that is PRECISELY what we need, and should admire, and should emulate. My point against Canny's not that he's dumb, but that he's a coward.
..[/QUOTE]

Well this is a discussion that must be had. Linder is pretty much the only one saying this and I have always believed that he said this in the spirit of emboldening those folks like Francis who knew the Jewish problem and hinted at it and worked to try and fight it but with one hand tied by themselves behind their own backs. The words are harsh but so is our situation where we have jack shit when it comes to public figures and partys and orgs and so forth. So we need to get moving and fast.

Here it is from reader mail, Linder's comment. I've bolded what I consider the bottom line here.

None of us is indispensible to the whole, but the whole is indispensible to us all. That is why we do this. If I fall, you carry on. If anybody falls, we all carry on. The greatest tribute to anybody who stands with us, even those who are like Nicodemus, is that we fight better more effectively and produce better results.

And we should damn sure make this look like a fight and fast, because more often than not it just looks like a whipping contest with the Jews holding the stick. Time for us to hold the flagellum.

[QUOTE=Rounder]There were lots of semi-racialist journalists back in those days (1960s) like Francis, Buchanan, Jared Taylor. U.S. Senator Jesse Helms was a TV commentator in Raleigh, NC at the time. There were hundreds of pro-White, small town newspapers, radio stations, and even some pro-White TV stations.

BUT NOT ONE OF THEM HAD THE GUTS TO NAME THE GD JEW !!!!!

And now we can all see where NOT NAMING THE GD JEW got us.

Alex Linder is right. Listen to him. Otherwise, you're on the wrong freakin track, and marching to a jew drummer.[/QUOTE]This is what it's all about. If only one person with independent means and media access would have named the jews in a well-argumented way everything would have changed. That goes for the southern politicians but just as well for any independent person. Imagine people like president Richard Nixon starting to speak the truth and acting upon it, calling upon the silent majority. Now he kept silent, was hunted out of the White House like a poison troll. Sam Francis could have started speaking the truth, and become a lean mean jewstomping machine. Instead, he stuffed himself full of jewfood and lies and died like a fat pig. I will admit he wasn't a total slave but he certainly wasn't a Viking warrior. He was a submissive fat girl.

[QUOTE=Alex Linder]If all were thinking it, and if it is relevant, then it is worth saying. Francis has no family that I know of. Like Buchanan, another one of these "links in an eternal chain" (Burke, more or less) conservatives, he broke the chain, and had no stake in the future.[/QUOTE]


I see... do you have children, Alex?

[QUOTE=88mmFlaK]I see... do you have children, Alex?[/QUOTE]

I'll let you know about that when the time is right.

[QUOTE=Alex Linder]I'll let you know about that when the time is right.[/QUOTE]

Good. I'll be looking forward to it. If your special lady is pregnant or you're simply trying, all the best! :)

Say, anyone who cares to answer, what is the paleocon solution, anyway?

Is there one?

Is it fair to summarize: "if we'd all head back to jeboo, all these racial-biological-factual problems would just disappear, but since that will never happen, i'm content to whine, and say what the system will allow me to say, for pay."

White nationalism is for adults. White nationalists insist that they, not jews, will make the deepest decisions concerning the future of their families and communities.

We are in a power struggle. The enemy is easily identified. Who will fight him?

Pointing out the problems the enemy creates without naming the enemy is worse than doing nothing at all, because it muddies the water.

Anyone who can't perceive that niggers and mexicans are shit-people we don't want around us -- there's nothing we can do for him. But for the man who does feel that way -- most of us, judging by "white flight" -- we the elite can explain the CAUSE of the symptoms, and we can ORGANIZE ourselves to fight back.

Guys like Sammy Francis sit there and wonder why nobody is rising up to provide leadership. ITZ ON YOU, FAT BITCH.

They don't want to lead. They don't even pretend to want to lead. All they want is enough of your money to keep on whining.

We here at VNN are different. We offer a plan, and we offer leadership. We are just getting started, of course, but slowly but surely we will evolve into a swift and powerful vehicle for organized White resistance to tyranny.

[QUOTE=Doppelhaken]Good. I'll be looking forward to it. If your special lady is pregnant or you're simply trying, all the best! :)[/QUOTE]

Soon. Very soon.

I used to read Francis some years ago and considered him the best columnist I ever read, with Sobran and Buchanan close behind.

So I was pretty upset with Alex going after Sam the way he did, even before the body was cold. Then I read what Rounder said about Southern leaders never having mentioned the jew during "integration", and how that lost them the battle. Now I'm less upset.

You know there's a reason why Drudge never listed .Francis on his seemingly endless list of columnists. It's the same reason every jew in captivity went after Buchanan when Buchanan ran for president. The jews know these men were dangerous.

Alex might do well to recall that Hitler, like Wallace, didn't help himself or us in the long run. Hitler was too aggressive; Wallace wasn't agressive enough. Let us bear in mind that the jew is in the position he holds because of his infinite patience, as well as his aggressiveness.

RIP Sam Francis You lit my fire.

[QUOTE=Alex Linder]Soon. Very soon.[/QUOTE]

I highly recommend it. Really puts you in perspective. So much that I can't even describe about it all. Infinitely worthwhile though, infinitely...

Eine Verbindung in einer endlosen Kette.

I just wanted to say my racial awakening these last three years, of which VNN was a huge part, led my beautiful wife and I to have our first child, with more to follow. Before that we were both living an atomized, isolated, deracinated and rootless existence, though we didn't even know it.

VNN: changing and creating lives for the better. :D

[QUOTE=Doppelhaken]I highly recommend it. Really puts you in perspective. So much that I can't even describe about it all. Infinitely worthwhile though, infinitely...

Eine Verbindung in einer endlosen Kette.

I just wanted to say my racial awakening these last three years, of which VNN was a huge part, led my beautiful wife and I to have our first child, with more to follow. Before that we were both living an atomized, isolated, deracinated and rootless existence, though we didn't even know it.

VNN: changing and creating lives for the better. :D[/QUOTE]

EXCELLENT!

And congratulations.

Anyone who doubts the value of VNN, there is your proof. And it's heading the same way with me. We must live our lives as we preach, otherwise we're no better than protestant preacher (not a shot at Doc, but at Swaggarts and Baker and such).

Congratulations, Doppel!

[QUOTE=Doppelhaken]

I just wanted to say my racial awakening these last three years, of which VNN was a huge part, led my beautiful wife and I to have our first child, with more to follow.[/QUOTE]

Awww, ain't that sweet! :D

http://www.millan.net/anims/giffar/giffar2/lovebears.gif

Pssssttttt, Steve. Don't tell Alex or Dopplehaken, but it takes a real man to make boys. Hell, I can make a gal with my finger.



(Just kidding, Pixi !)

[QUOTE=Rounder]Pssssttttt, Steve. Don't tell Alex or Dopplehaken, but it takes a real man to make boys. Hell, I can make a gal with my finger.



(Just kidding, Pixi !)[/QUOTE]


Well I have one so far. Hell, my old man made four boys and no girls.

[QUOTE=Augustus Sutter]Well I have one so far. Hell, my old man made four boys and no girls.[/QUOTE]

Well now Mr Sutter, surely you ain't gonna let your old man out do you, are ya ?

Impliment the "thermometer method", and make some more Aryan warriors.

[QUOTE=Alex Linder](not a shot at Doc, but at Swaggarts and Baker and such).
[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the kind words, Alex. I was raised a racist but didn’t know it was the Jews fault until I began reading VNN. Since reading VNN I became Jew wise and now I place the blame on the proper culprits. Through my awakening I have taught many people to be more Jew wise. Some very sharp about the Jews and others simply concerned about the destruction Israel is causing America.

About Children, for the last 4 generations (I couldn’t trace far beyond Germany) my ancestors on both sides began having Children at 40. I am the only one in my family that hasn’t had at least four children. My dad has 13 brothers and sisters. I believe in waiting later in life so you can be home more for your children and be a better provider and teacher. If I had children at 18 they would be 11 now and wouldn’t had the good teaching I could provide now. Working 60 hours a week at a burger joint wouldn’t leave me much time to be with them. Now I am more fit to teach and provide for children. Hopefully the lady and I will have a few little Aryan warriors and with her degrees in Law and my Jew wise mindset surely we can raise some bright young leaders for the cause.

While I don’t always agree with Alex on matters of religion and so forth I do owe him and VNN a debt of gratitude and I will hopefully repay by doing everything I can to make some Aryan leaders to fight the Jew.

[font=Arial][color=black]Interesting reaction at Freep, from VDARE's blog:[/color][/font]

[font=Arial][color=#990000]http://www.vdare.com/blog/index.htm[/color][/font]

[font=Arial][color=#990000]Free Republic vs. Sam Francis [A Reader][/color][color=#000000] - 02/17/05[/color][/font]
[font=Verdana]Over at the egregiously misnamed (http://www.vdare.com/misc/gheen_050216_jimrob.htm) website Free Republic (http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=%22free+republic%22&sp-a=sp0a298a00&sp-advanced=1&sp-p=all&sp-w-control=1&sp-w=alike&sp-d=custom&sp-date-range=-1&sp-start-month=0&sp-start-day=0&sp-start-year=&sp-end-month=0&sp-end-day=0&sp-end-year=&sp-x=any&sp-c=25), someone linked to the Chronicles tribute (http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/index.html) to Sam Francis (http://www.vdare.com/pb/050216_sf_obituary.htm). The thread attracted a fair bit of comment, most of it favorable to Sam. [color=blue]The thread was then pulled, because it was outside the bounds of cheerleading for Bush that passes for conservatism at Free Republic. [/color][/font]

[font=Verdana]Along with Peter Brimelow, I wonder (http://www.vdare.com/blog/021405_blog.htm#b1) if the Bush White House is funneling money to Free Republic, as it did to Armstrong Williams (http://www.vdare.com/malkin/050111_blunder.htm) and others.[/font]

[QUOTE=Keystone]
Blacks ain't invaders to the US, Sutter. We brought 'em here. Remember? Too lazy to pick our own beans and cotton. They're part of the landscape, and they aren't going anywhere. The Mexican hordes coming aross the border today are another matter. They are aliens to our culture. That's what you should be worried about. Big time.[/QUOTE]

Yes they are. Unfortunately, they were not all repatriated to their native paradise in Africa and were allowed to stay; however, until the 1950's they lived in a separate society. The white man's foot was firmly planted on their black, greasy necks and they were forced to remain with their own. The advent of desegregation laws and forced integration constituted an invasion of violent, stupid Apes. These laws were the result of Jewish efforts - that's a fact. Now the Jews lick their blubbery lips while white women are raped and defiled. Beautiful young white girls can be seen in any shopping mall with a pet-monkey on their arm. Our children emulate the stupid monkey behavior they see on MTV and Nickolodean. Whites are prayed upon at will by these foul Hominids, and they are not allowed to fight back.

As for that tired old bromide of only blaming the powerful Zionist Jews consider this:

The powerful media, banking and organizational Jews did not attain their power in a vacuum. They are not just talented and forceful individuals who happen to be Jewish, as the Jews and you often claim. They operate and wield power with the support of the rest of the Jewish collective organism. By the Jews own accounting, eighty percent of America's Jewish population supports the goals of organized Jewry through financial contributions.

Nice try.

[QUOTE=Augustus Sutter]Yes they are. Unfortunately, they were not all repatriated to their native paradise in Africa and were allowed to stay; however, until the 1950's they lived in a separate society. The white man's foot was firmly planted on their black, greasy necks and they were forced to remain with their own.[/QUOTE]
They weren't left alone when they were on their own. Even when they were on the bottom rung and docile, yahoos would start the shit stirring by sensless, petty violence. "Let's go string up some coons." That's one of our bad white traits---we don't know when to let sleeping dogs lie. Always got something to prove. Then you got the bleeding hearts involved and that was that.
The advent of desegregation laws and forced integration constituted an invasion of violent, stupid Apes. These laws were the result of Jewish efforts - that's a fact.
Along with many white liberals. They've been around longer than jews.
Now the Jews lick their blubbery lips while white women are raped and defiled.
Prove it.
Beautiful young white girls can be seen in any shopping mall with a pet-monkey on their arm.
Our children emulate the stupid monkey behavior they see on MTV and Nickolodean. Whites are prayed upon at will by these foul Hominids, and they are not allowed to fight back.
Where are the white parents? Why can't you fight back?

As for that tired old bromide of only blaming the powerful Zionist Jews consider this:

The powerful media, banking and organizational Jews did not attain their power in a vacuum. They are not just talented and forceful individuals who happen to be Jewish, as the Jews and you often claim. They operate and wield power with the support of the rest of the Jewish collective organism. By the Jews own accounting, eighty percent of America's Jewish population supports the goals of organized Jewry through financial contributions.

Nice try.
I don't subscribe to the hive-mind. I know too many disinterested jews. They are not all Abe Foxman or Ariel Sharon.
Catholics and other white Christians give to charities that you wouldn't agree with either. Big ones. Are you at total war with them?

[QUOTE=Rounder]If Southern leaders had named the Jew in the 60's, the Civil Rights Movement would have failed in the South.

By 1964-65, the White South was UNITED and at REVOLUTIONARY pitch in it's hatred against the federal government, and against all those who were pushing for racial school integration, and for the removal of prayer and the bible from public schools. I've lived in those times, and I know what I'm talking about.

But instead of NAMING THE JEWS (especially the 3 jews who ran the only 3 TV networks in the country - NBC, CBS, and ABC), Southern leaders like George Wallace, Ross Barnett, etc., all blamed White gentile LIBERALS, and never once even mentioned the word JEW. No one did.

By their cowardice to NAME THE JEW who were the real orchestrators of racial integration and all the other Zionist Jew outrages, Southern leaders led the South into defeat and surrender. And became nothing more than accomplices of the jews, and assessories in the genocide of the White Race.

NAME THE GD JEWS !!!!

Sieg Heil !!![/QUOTE]
Linder hits the nail on the head.Pierce or Francis,which is it White Man?

Miller hits the nail on the head too!

[QUOTE=Damage Case]Linder hits the nail on the head.Pierce or Francis,which is it White Man?[/QUOTE]

Why not both?

[QUOTE=Jim Crowe]Why not both?[/QUOTE]

Dr. Pierce was ahead of his time, Sam Francis was behind his time. It's hard to be a man of your time...Alex, in my opinion is trying to be a man of his time...

Wanta have cake and eat it too? Be two places at once? Say yes and no? Go both left and right? Fight and surrender at the same time? Name the jew and yet not name the jew?



[QUOTE=Jim Crowe]Why not both?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Keystone]They (blacks) weren't left alone when they were on their own. Even when they were on the bottom rung and docile, yahoos would start the shit stirring by sensless, petty violence. "Let's go string up some coons." That's one of our bad white traits---we don't know when to let sleeping dogs lie. Always got something to prove. Then you got the bleeding hearts involved and that was that.[/QUOTE]You sound like Michael Moore. Would you care to elaborate on these occurances? Almost every time "coons were lynched up" it was after they'd done something wrong.

Even the original incarnation of the KKK was far more anti-carpetbagger than anti-nigger. Back when blacks accepted their racial inferiority was when racial relations were the best.

[QUOTE=Keystone]I don't subscribe to the hive-mind. I know too many disinterested jews. They are not all Abe Foxman or Ariel Sharon.[/QUOTE]Geez, Keystone, I gotta hand it to ya. You sure have a nack for finding needles in haystacks. I sure hope that one day I can come across some of these mythical Uebermenschen Niggers, or jews who are disinterested in the survival of Israel.

Keystone's message has always been about how bad Whites are. He can turn any thread around to that subject. He will seem to agree with the forum reaction to some new jew-inspired atrocity or negro savagery but he always turns the topic to White culpability. He can always find a way to blame Whites for being victims of jewish or negro miscreance.

[QUOTE=King_Tiger]You sound like Michael Moore. Would you care to elaborate on these occurances? Almost every time "coons were lynched up" it was after they'd done something wrong.

Even the original incarnation of the KKK was far more anti-carpetbagger than anti-nigger. Back when blacks accepted their racial inferiority was when racial relations were the best.[/QUOTE]


Originally Posted by Keystone
They (blacks) weren't left alone when they were on their own. Even when they were on the bottom rung and docile, yahoos would start the shit stirring by sensless, petty violence. "Let's go string up some coons." That's one of our bad white traits---we don't know when to let sleeping dogs lie. Always got something to prove. Then you got the bleeding hearts involved and that was that.

[QUOTE=MOMUS]Wanta have cake and eat it too? Be two places at once? Say yes and no? Go both left and right? Fight and surrender at the same time? Name the jew and yet not name the jew?[/QUOTE]

Dr. Pierce has his own opinions, as did Francis. Doesn't mean one is pro-white and the other is not.

How can anyone be pro-white and not name and blame the jew??

One of the articles where (1) Sam Francis names the Jew and (2) Alex Linder more or less admits he does:


http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=3716&highlight=francis


Admit it, movement people just love gossip. Sam Francis was just as effective as anyone. He had a bigger and smarter audience.

"1.2 cheers for Canny Sammy." -- A. Linder

[QUOTE=Keystone]
I don't subscribe to the hive-mind. I know too many disinterested jews. [/QUOTE]

Disinterested, apathetic, indifferent, blase, are not terms I have found apply to any jew I've ever met concerning jewish issues (and to jews everything is a rightful jewish issue).

I grew up in jew york, BTW, and let me tell you, jews are motivated people.

Thanks for posting that link, FJ. Damn it, Sam Francis named Israel as the country sucking us into its wars and he was on his way to name the jew, less than a year ago. Why didn't he go all the way. He would have lost his job, lost weight, and would have been alive today.

[QUOTE=Doppelhaken]Disinterested, apathetic, indifferent, blase, are not terms I have found apply to any jew I've ever met concerning jewish issues (and to jews everything is a rightful jewish issue).

I grew up in jew york, BTW, and let me tell you, jews are motivated people.[/QUOTE]
I'll concede New York. That's practically another "Jewish State."

[QUOTE=Keystone]I'll concede New York. That's practically another "Jewish State."[/QUOTE]

If Jews are so disinterested, why is it then that 80% of American Jews support the goals of organized Jewry, both financially and ideologically? They also provide majority funding for many other anti-white organizations. In any given year they are responsible for 50% of the donations made to the Democratic party. Look, you can't use your empirical observations as proof for the point you are trying to make.

[QUOTE=Jim Crowe]Why not both?[/QUOTE]
I've enjoyed articles by Buchanan,Roberts,Francis,etc.But these men don't serve their own by punking out of the fight.Recognise the problem,dissect said problem so that the average joe may be able to absorb what we're exposing them to,and build from there.
How White people view themselves and how they view the problems they face is formed by what we conceive to be true,or maybe,correct.These ideas are formed thru information,Who dissimulates information?
Conservatives would serve us well in a society worth conserving,this society no longer falls under that pretense.

Oh Mr. Francis, may he rest in peace though I doubt he will. A man knows his own devils. I, myself, enjoyed his articles for a while but I grew very bored with the fence sitter. To expect Mr. Linder to weap mounts of gooey words upon his death? Now what kind of leader would Mr. Linder be then? I would expect Mr. Linder to stick to his guns and dish it out the way he always does. Let’s heap it high on Mr. Francis and all that are like him. It’s about time for the fox cleans the conservative hen house and why not start with the biggest fattest hen there ever was? Democrats are stupid in their utopian dreaming and best take them aside and begin the lessons of “can you say communism’? But the conservative knows the score, knows who pushes the buttons, but won’t say. There will be a lot of crow eating the day the conservatives name the Jewish problem cause then we would then have to rethink our part in WWII, eh?

I had an interesting exchange of words with dear old conservative dad recently. He knew the problem. He also knew of the only (incorrect) solution we have before us. I wondered how many times he must play out the situation in his head in that endless chess game. We are stuck in check and our king has those one step options to save himself but they are all deemed ‘incorrect’. But one chance we have is the fact the Jewish always over plays his game. In fact he has other games going on at the same time, like the one man in the park playing six games at once. Someone will make the move or we will all make the move at once. Hee, hee, poor, poor jew; always having the need to push too far and to have the hand slap hard, like mother and child.
Just to note, the move my dad would make is flight, a big jet plane to Aussie land if he didn’t have the responsibilities of his family. Fight or flight? Fight or flight? Flight is becoming impossible so soon we will have to fight. It is only nature taking its natural course, and a longer one at that this time and our white numbers are low. A good old white baby boom would do us good in this building part of the battle.

My coffee cup is empty and the men are moving about up stairs, off I go down my rabbit hole and always remember, Jesus is cool, Odin is all right, and to the atheist, ‘here's to brain power’. Pray for strength, we are going to need it. :D

edited for incorrect word use

Condolences from Great Britain, today John Tyndall himself paid tribute to Sam Francis at our big SG meeting. As the US loses another great white nationalist, so white nationalism loses another great man.

Our thoughts are with his family.

Sid.

[QUOTE=Rounder]If Southern leaders had named the Jew in the 60's, the Civil Rights Movement would have failed in the South.

By 1964-65, the White South was UNITED and at REVOLUTIONARY pitch in it's hatred against the federal government, and against all those who were pushing for racial school integration, and for the removal of prayer and the bible from public schools. I've lived in those times, and I know what I'm talking about.

But instead of NAMING THE JEWS (especially the 3 jews who ran the only 3 TV networks in the country - NBC, CBS, and ABC), Southern leaders like George Wallace, Ross Barnett, etc., all blamed White gentile LIBERALS, and never once even mentioned the word JEW. No one did.

By their cowardice to NAME THE JEW who were the real orchestrators of racial integration and all the other Zionist Jew outrages, Southern leaders led the South into defeat and surrender. And became nothing more than accomplices of the jews, and assessories in the genocide of the White Race.

NAME THE GD JEWS !!!!

Sieg Heil !!![/QUOTE]

This is 100% correct. I was a boy in Georgia at the time. My parents named the jew and were frustrated to no end that their politicians wouldn't. Soon they felt atomized the way we do now. This is when my disgust with Amerikwa began. Wish I'd had that word, Amerikwa, then.

David Duke's tribute to Dr. Francis:

http://www.davidduke.com:8000/content/dd/dukeradio20feb05.pls

Or download:

http://www.davidduke.com/mp3/dukeradio20feb05.mp3

[QUOTE=Intrepid]David Duke's tribute to Dr. Francis:

http://www.davidduke.com:8000/content/dd/dukeradio20feb05.pls

Or download:

http://www.davidduke.com/mp3/dukeradio20feb05.mp3[/QUOTE]

Well David Duke has sure as hell NAMED THE JEW, and non-stop for over 30 years. He still does, and always will.

But he's a politician now, an author, and has many thousands of supporters whose continued support, he needs in order to continue to NAME THE JEW, more and more extensively, and effectively worldwide.

And THAT is why he's not about to criticize Francis, especially right after Francis' death.

THEREFORE, Alex Linder is still right. And you, as always, are wrong.

Trying to sneak up on the jew by NOT NAMING THE JEW is lying, confusing, misleading, counter productive, ineffective, and downright DECEPTIVE.

"He who has learned the jew, but refuses to warn his kinsmen of the jewish menace, is an accomplice of the jews, and an assessory in the slavery and genocide of his own people."

Stick that in your freakin, kike-like pipe, and smoke it.

[QUOTE=Rounder]Well David Duke has sure as hell NAMED THE JEW, and non-stop for over 30 years. He still does, and always will.

But he's a politician now, an author, and has many thousands of supporters whose continued support, he needs in order to continue to NAME THE JEW, more and more extensively, and effectively worldwide.

And THAT is why he's not about to criticize Francis, especially right after Francis' death.

THEREFORE, Alex Linder is still right. And you, as always, are wrong.

Trying to sneak up on the jew by NOT NAMING THE JEW is lying, confusing, misleading, counter productive, ineffective, and downright DECEPTIVE.

"He who has learned the jew, but refuses to warn his kinsmen of the jewish menace, is an accomplice of the jews, and an assessory in the slavery and genocide of his own people."

Stick that in your freakin, kike-like pipe, and smoke it.[/QUOTE]

I once found myself standing beside Sam Francis as we were both relieving ourselves at adjacent urinals in some hotel restroom. I remember noting at the time what a fat, unhealthy specimen he was. I'm not surprised at all that he died relatively young.

Glenn is certainly correct that considerable Southern rage was misdirected by our cowardly leaders during the 1950's "Civil Rights era" when integration of the races was forced on us by JOG at the points of federal bayonets. People forget that race traitor Lyndon Johnson appointed the Jew Nicholas Katzenbach as "our" Attorney General in 1963 in order to usher in federally enforced racial diversity. The phony race-fighter, George Wallace, who, as governor of Alabama, stood "defiantly" in the doorway of some building at the UA campus before letting federal troops escort niggers in to register as students, had already secretly cut a deal with the JOG top cop to let the subhumans register if only he could save face with his rebel constituents by his defiant doorway posturing. Wallace later bragged about how many niggers he appointed to positions of authority in Alabama as some nigger pushed his pathetic ass around in a wheelchair. Piss on Wallace's grave!

LBJ appointed the liberal Ramsey Clark to replace Katzenbach as AG in 1967. Clark has turned out to be a rather surprising man, a wild card. He has since consistently opposed Jewish wars in which shabbos goy presidents like the Bushes and Bill Clinton have involved American combatants, and has now signed on as counsel for Saddam Hussein in his upcoming show trial for "war crimes." I can hardly wait to hear what Saddam has to say about the Jewish tail wagging the American dog. It's amazing that Saddam wasn't shot on the spot in his spider hole. Bush will wish he had been before the trial is over.

[QUOTE=Augustus Sutter]If Jews are so disinterested, why is it then that 80% of American Jews support the goals of organized Jewry, both financially and ideologically?[/QUOTE]
I'd like to see solid evidence of that please. Ideologically? How could you ever know that? A poll, maybe?
They also provide majority funding for many other anti-white organizations. In any given year they are responsible for 50% of the donations made to the Democratic party. Look, you can't use your empirical observations as proof for the point you are trying to make.
My parents, relatives and friends were practically 100% Democrats through the years. The majority of them were racist in varying degrees. They were Democrats because of labor issues---union supporters. Socially and morally they were Conservatives. Party affiliation doesn't make you "anti-white". Party platforms change all the time.

You don't think white people have had affiliations they support that pisses people off? That are partisan? When I was younger, I remember almost every Irish bar you went into had a cup for donations to the IRA. They didn't actually come out and say it, but you knew by the phraseology they used that's what it was for.
The Croatians I knew were constantly railing against the Serbs, and would support anything or anybody that was pro-Croatian and anti-Serb. They used to curse each other.
Was every member of these groups behaving like this? No. Would I wish death on them? No.
Everybody's got an agenda good or ill. That's the way life works. Do I think Jews are any different? No.

[QUOTE=Keystone] When I was younger, I remember almost every Irish bar you went into had a cup for donations to the IRA. They didn't actually come out and say it, but you knew by the phraseology they used that's what it was for.
The Croatians I knew were constantly railing against the Serbs, and would support anything or anybody that was pro-Croatian and anti-Serb. They used to curse each other.
Was every member of these groups behaving like this? No. Would I wish death on them? No.
Everybody's got an agenda good or ill. That's the way life works. Do I think Jews are any different? No.[/QUOTE]

And you criticize VNN for being repetitive? Since I can't turn on the tv without seeing a blond walking away with, or at least placed strategically opposite a nigger, since I can't turn it on without seeing iraqvision 2003 - ?, since NWO teed off on Serbia back in 98' for wanting to opt out of the endgame, I'd say someone wants to (and has the wherewithal to) blend Irish, Croat and Serb, etc. more than WN ever did.

You never did answer that...how can these ethnicites exist, already viciously under attack, without a reverence, and a collective of some kind, for the umbrella of White Aryan they're all under?

[QUOTE=Doppelhaken]And you criticize VNN for being repetitive? Since I can't turn on the tv without seeing a blond walking away with, or at least placed strategically opposite a nigger, since I can't turn it on without seeing iraqvision 2003 - ?[/QUOTE]
Turn the damn TV off. Don't buy their wares. The blond and the negro are both doing it for money. Debasing themselves for it. You don't need that. Don't watch. As far as TV news goes, I can now filter it through the world wide web. Wonderful invention.
since NWO teed off on Serbia back in 98' for wanting to opt out of the endgame, I'd say someone wants to (and has the wherewithal to) blend Irish, Croat and Serb, etc. more than WN ever did.
It must be the jews. Of course. The combatants I alluded to don't know about jews, nor an "NWO". It comes down to old tribal, ethnic and religious animosity. You are Inserting the mysterious jewish conspiracy where it doesn't belong----again.
I'm a bit thick, so I don't get your "blending" remark. Elaborate if you could.
You never did answer that...how can these ethnicites exist, already viciously under attack, without a reverence, and a collective of some kind, for the umbrella of White Aryan they're all under?
See above. Elaborate please.

[QUOTE=Keystone]Turn the damn TV off. Don't buy their wares. The blond and the negro are both doing it for money. Debasing themselves for it. You don't need that. Don't watch. As far as TV news goes, I can now filter it through the world wide web. Wonderful invention.

It must be the jews. Of course. The combatants I alluded to don't know about jews, nor an "NWO". It comes down to old tribal, ethnic and religious animosity. You are Inserting the mysterious jewish conspiracy where it doesn't belong----again.
I'm a bit thick, so I don't get your "blending" remark. Elaborate if you could.

See above. Elaborate please.[/QUOTE]

Forget it, Keystone. :o

Thanks for the tip about tv.

[QUOTE=Doppelhaken]Forget it, Keystone. :o[/QUOTE]
Seeing a hive-mind jew in every woodpile and under your bed is embarrassing, I know. Don't worry, it will pass.

Thanks for the tip about tv.
No problem. Glad to be of service.

[QUOTE=Keystone]I'd like to see solid evidence of that please. Ideologically? How could you ever know that? A poll, maybe?

My parents, relatives and friends were practically 100% Democrats through the years. The majority of them were racist in varying degrees. They were Democrats because of labor issues---union supporters. Socially and morally they were Conservatives. Party affiliation doesn't make you "anti-white". Party platforms change all the time.

You don't think white people have had affiliations they support that pisses people off? That are partisan? When I was younger, I remember almost every Irish bar you went into had a cup for donations to the IRA. They didn't actually come out and say it, but you knew by the phraseology they used that's what it was for.
The Croatians I knew were constantly railing against the Serbs, and would support anything or anybody that was pro-Croatian and anti-Serb. They used to curse each other.
Was every member of these groups behaving like this? No. Would I wish death on them? No.
Everybody's got an agenda good or ill. That's the way life works. Do I think Jews are any different? No.[/QUOTE]

Actually the 80% figure came from an esay I read by Rabbi David Lapin, a conservative-minded Jew from England. I'll dig it up for you. As for the rest of your post it's irrelevant spin, non-sequitur. Ethnic rivalries left over from Europe don't threaten the continued welfare and existence of Aryan peoples in America. It has nothing to do with the Jewish modus-vivendi or their destructive malfeasance.

[QUOTE=Augustus Sutter]Actually the 80% figure came from an esay I read by Rabbi David Lapin, a conservative-minded Jew from England.
I'll dig it up for you.[/QUOTE]
I don't know about British politics, but it would still be useful to see it. I'm willing to learn.
As for the rest of your post it's irrelevant spin, non-sequitur. Ethnic rivalries left over from Europe don't threaten the continued welfare and existence of Aryan peoples in America. It has nothing to do with the Jewish modus-vivendi or their destructive malfeasance.

My point was that ethnic and political groups do use the US as a springboard for activism because of our open society and free speech policies. Jews aren't alone in this. White Nationalists use the same pipelines, but they usually present themselves as idiots, and use racial and ethnic slurs and degregation for persuasion---"Stupid niggers"---"dirty kikes", etc.... No wonder the "movement" has no credibilty.
You want to be seen as the master race on one hand, but you live in the basement with Alex Linder.
Crazy, no? :)

[QUOTE=White Will]I once found myself standing beside Sam Francis as we were both relieving ourselves at adjacent urinals in some hotel restroom. I remember noting at the time what a fat, unhealthy specimen he was. I'm not surprised at all that he died relatively young.

Glenn is certainly correct that considerable Southern rage was misdirected by our cowardly leaders during the 1950's "Civil Rights era" when integration of the races was forced on us by JOG at the points of federal bayonets. People forget that race traitor Lyndon Johnson appointed the Jew Nicholas Katzenbach as "our" Attorney General in 1963 in order to usher in federally enforced racial diversity. The phony race-fighter, George Wallace, who, as governor of Alabama, stood "defiantly" in the doorway of some building at the UA campus before letting federal troops escort niggers in to register as students, had already secretly cut a deal with the JOG top cop to let the subhumans register if only he could save face with his rebel constituents by his defiant doorway posturing. Wallace later bragged about how many niggers he appointed to positions of authority in Alabama as some nigger pushed his pathetic ass around in a wheelchair. Piss on Wallace's grave!

LBJ appointed the liberal Ramsey Clark to replace Katzenbach as AG in 1967. Clark has turned out to be a rather surprising man, a wild card. He has since consistently opposed Jewish wars in which shabbos goy presidents like the Bushes and Bill Clinton have involved American combatants, and has now signed on as counsel for Saddam Hussein in his upcoming show trial for "war crimes." I can hardly wait to hear what Saddam has to say about the Jewish tail wagging the American dog. It's amazing that Saddam wasn't shot on the spot in his spider hole. Bush will wish he had been before the trial is over.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the deep insights, Will. So many younger WNs fail to see the imperative of NAMING THE JEW, because they are misguided by journalists like Buchanan, Francis and the like who do not. If you have time, read Alex's posts above, on this subject. He nails it perfectly.

[QUOTE=Rounder]Thanks for the deep insights, Will. So many younger WNs fail to see the imperative of NAMING THE JEW, because they are misguided by journalists like Buchanan, Francis and the like who do not. If you have time, read Alex's posts above, on this subject. He nails it perfectly.[/QUOTE]

I come back a couple days later, and as expected, no one has put forward a paleo solution. Because there isn't one.

"It was all a game, just a way of making a living." That was how Joe Sobran described professional conservatism. It still is. And Canny Sammy was a well paid part of that.

Over 90% of the white population are in a brainwashed state from spending their lives watching literally thousands of anti-white, pro-jewish and pro-black images and ideas from jewish films and TV.

If one such brainwashed person comes to your site, or even is more mildly informed of some aspect of the Jewish Problem, they simply cannot mentally accept it. What we know to be objective reality (and we thank you for it) they will perceive as the language of madness, conspiracy nuts, cranks.

Francis and Jared Taylor, by pulling punches, actually bring such people to an eventual understanding of the issues you discuss. It is much easier for a brainwashed individual to become racially aware by the example of negro crime and negro inferiority. Those things are much more ‘in your face’ and obvious than the Jewish Problem. Once they have their “revelation” - that the races are not the same - then they are in the frame of mind for further enquiry and further education. Then they come to your site. Francis, and especially Taylor, will have brought people to your site, and to your beliefs, who wouldn’t otherwise have come.

(I'm new to this and originally sent this as 'Reader Mail'. Which is best?)

[QUOTE=Paul623]Francis and Jared Taylor, by pulling punches, actually bring such people to an eventual understanding of the issues you discuss. It is much easier for a brainwashed individual to become racially aware by the example of negro crime and negro inferiority. Those things are much more ‘in your face’ and obvious than the Jewish Problem. Once they have their “revelation” - that the races are not the same - then they are in the frame of mind for further enquiry and further education. Then they come to your site. Francis, and especially Taylor, will have brought people to your site, and to your beliefs, who wouldn’t otherwise have come.
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Very good post, and mirrors my views when the website New Nation News was critisized on this forum. It's almost like there is not a White Nationalist article that can be written without pertaining to jews, or referencing jews in some way.

[QUOTE=Jim Crowe]Very good post, and mirrors my views when the website New Nation News was critisized on this forum. It's almost like there is not a White Nationalist article that can be written without pertaining to jews, or referencing jews in some way.[/QUOTE]

I should think life itself does a better job than any paleo can of teaching the truth about blacks. There's not one person in history who moved away from a black area because he learned from a paleo article that blacks are violent predators. The VITAL -- the life or death -- information the reader needs to know is that niggers were set free in his community by jews. And until the jews are dealth with, nothing will change. Pales discussing nigger crime are like little boys discussings statistics on baseball cards.

[QUOTE=Paul623]Over 90% of the white population are in a brainwashed state from spending their lives watching literally thousands of anti-white, pro-jewish and pro-black images and ideas from jewish films and TV.

If one such brainwashed person comes to your site, or even is more mildly informed of some aspect of the Jewish Problem, they simply cannot mentally accept it. What we know to be objective reality (and we thank you for it) they will perceive as the language of madness, conspiracy nuts, cranks.

Francis and Jared Taylor, by pulling punches, actually bring such people to an eventual understanding of the issues you discuss. It is much easier for a brainwashed individual to become racially aware by the example of negro crime and negro inferiority. Those things are much more ‘in your face’ and obvious than the Jewish Problem. Once they have their “revelation” - that the races are not the same - then they are in the frame of mind for further enquiry and further education. Then they come to your site. Francis, and especially Taylor, will have brought people to your site, and to your beliefs, who wouldn’t otherwise have come.

(I'm new to this and originally sent this as 'Reader Mail'. Which is best?)[/QUOTE]

You're exactly right, they need to be brought along.

[QUOTE=Alex Linder]I should think life itself does a better job than any paleo can of teaching the truth about blacks. There's not one person in history who moved away from a black area because he learned from a paleo article that blacks are violent predators. The VITAL -- the life or death -- information the reader needs to know is that niggers were set free in his community by jews. And until the jews are dealth with, nothing will change. Pales discussing nigger crime are like little boys discussings statistics on baseball cards.[/QUOTE]

Good point. Still mind-boggling what little resistance the jew agenda met from the much larger white population in the '60's. What happens when a population gets lazy, apathetic, and content.

[QUOTE=Paul623]If one such brainwashed person comes to your site, or even is more mildly informed of some aspect of the Jewish Problem, they simply cannot mentally accept it. What we know to be objective reality (and we thank you for it) they will perceive as the language of madness, conspiracy nuts, cranks.

Francis and Jared Taylor, by pulling punches, actually bring such people to an eventual understanding of the issues you discuss. It is much easier for a brainwashed individual to become racially aware by the example of negro crime and negro inferiority. Those things are much more ‘in your face’ and obvious than the Jewish Problem. Once they have their “revelation” - that the races are not the same - then they are in the frame of mind for further enquiry and further education. Then they come to your site. Francis, and especially Taylor, will have brought people to your site, and to your beliefs, who wouldn’t otherwise have come.[/QUOTE]You are, for the most part, right in this post. The only people I've seen that don't develop a gradual hardening of their ideology after teething on the likes of Buchanan and Francis-- are the skinhead types. Those who are attracted to the Movement because of "the music". These types usually don't understand or grasp the full extent of the problem or the solution, and are often more harmful than hurtful to the Movement.

Still, Francis could have gone a little farther in diagnosing the disease behind the symptoms.

I should think life itself does a better job than any paleo can of teaching the truth about blacks.
Oh, yes, of course. Hell, a few years living with Darkskins is the best racial education in the world. Sadly, even with reality surrounding them, like the hordes of muds surrounding the people of Rohan at Helms Deep, there are far too many Whiteskins who refuse to accept the truth.

VNN, rather Linder's writing style has a certain shock value. Its hardness, directness and taboo subject material make it a lot like pornography.

I would have never bothered with the tepid style Sam Francis analysis or lack thereof. At first I mostly skipped over the "jew" chapters in Duke's book, but my course was hooked on the weekly seriousness of Dr. Pierce and the outrageous, uninhibited, irrefutable VNN.

As a matter of fact my primary introduction to this White struggle was because of the forbidden, pornographic conotations of the name "David Duke". I was loaned his book by a friend, "Margie" in Robert Griffin's One Sheaf book. She had been given a copy of "My Awakening" by the Duke himself at an anti-immigration rally in Siler City. Probably trying to get lucky with her, but who would blame him?

Like many, I learned little new after the first two years of VNN. My web time now is mostly searching for signs that the time for action is ripe. Of course there are plenty. Now the big question is more, "What do we, with no serious money behind us do?"

Hey Ted Turner, Steve Case you got destroyed by "them", how about discreetly sending a few of your remaining millions Alex's way?

[QUOTE=Paul623]

Francis and Jared Taylor, by pulling punches, actually bring such people to an eventual understanding of the issues you discuss.[/QUOTE]

I agree completely.

In Sam Francis' case he was effective because he wasn't dumb enough to try to "teach" anybody. Like the junkie William Burroughs put it, "You can't tell anybody anything till they already know it."

Since the majority of whites more or less know the fix is in, the issue is what's the best way to tell them what they already know? Francis told the truth but kept it respectable. He didn't plan a revolution because he knows whites don't want one.

I don't think he pulled any punches. For instance when he told everyone that "not all neocons are Jews" he was being totally accurate: Without high-level white traitors the Jewish neocons would have been up the creek without a paddle. At least for some of us Sam was drawing a bead on the real problem.

[QUOTE=Alex Linder]There's not one person in history who moved away from a black area because he learned from a paleo article that blacks are violent predators. [/QUOTE]

Classic Linder; funny and true. I became nigger wise through experience with them. I became race conscious through Linder et al. I've a theory that anyone who has lived near blacks and cannot or will not see them for what they are hasn't the necessary reasoning faculties or honesty to deal with the serious things in life, of which real racialism is one.

Wonderful words. The world needs more Nazi Bunnies.

[QUOTE=nazibunny]Oh Mr. Francis, may he rest in peace though I doubt he will. A man knows his own devils.[/QUOTE]Indeed; How true! Only the fool or liar denies his devils.

[QUOTE=nazibunny]I, myself, enjoyed his articles for a while but I grew very bored with the fence sitter. To expect Mr. Linder to weap mounts of gooey words upon his death? Now what kind of leader would Mr. Linder be then? I would expect Mr. Linder to stick to his guns and dish it out the way he always does. Let’s heap it high on Mr. Francis and all that are like him. It’s about time for the fox cleans the conservative hen house and why not start with the biggest fattest hen there ever was? Democrats are stupid in their utopian dreaming and best take them aside and begin the lessons of “can you say communism’? But the conservative knows the score, knows who pushes the buttons, but won’t say. There will be a lot of crow eating the day the conservatives name the Jewish problem cause then we would then have to rethink our part in WWII, eh?[/QUOTE]We MUST rethink our part. One day the world will know: Hitler was right!

[QUOTE=nazibunny]I had an interesting exchange of words with dear old conservative dad recently. He knew the problem. He also knew of the only (incorrect) solution we have before us. I wondered how many times he must play out the situation in his head in that endless chess game. We are stuck in check and our king has those one step options to save himself but they are all deemed ‘incorrect’. But one chance we have is the fact the Jewish always over plays his game. In fact he has other games going on at the same time, like the one man in the park playing six games at once. Someone will make the move or we will all make the move at once. Hee, hee, poor, poor jew; always having the need to push too far and to have the hand slap hard, like mother and child. [/QUOTE]In ways you describe my own father. He was, like I am, a conservative American. It would take a while to list all my father's virtues. From a VNN perspective though, my father lacks that all-essential Jew-naming frankness. We need to figure out why this is. My father isn't evil; neither was Sam Francis (IMO). Why the hell won't they name the Jew? What is it in our water that makes decent Americans' brains shut down when it comes to the Jewish question?

[QUOTE=nazibunny]Just to note, the move my dad would make is flight, a big jet plane to Aussie land if he didn’t have the responsibilities of his family. Fight or flight? Fight or flight? Flight is becoming impossible so soon we will have to fight. It is only nature taking its natural course, and a longer one at that this time and our white numbers are low. A good old white baby boom would do us good in this building part of the battle.

My coffee cup is empty and the men are moving about up stairs, off I go down my rabbit hole and always remember, Jesus is cool, Odin is all right, and to the atheist, ‘here's to brain power’. Pray for strength, we are going to need it. :D

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Ask, and it shall be granted. Prayers are answered in meaningful ways, if you look; detractors merely cut themselves off at their own knees.