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lawrence dennis
02-22-2005, 04:57 PM
[size=4]From science and computers, a new face of Jesus[/size] (http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/12/25/face.jesus/)


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(CNN) -- The Jesus pictured on the cover of this month's Popular Mechanics has a broad peasant's face, [color=red]dark olive skin, short curly hair and a prominent nose.[/color] He would have stood 5-foot-1-inch tall and weighed 110 pounds, if the magazine is to be believed.

[font=Arial][size=3]This representation is [/size][/font][font=Arial][size=3]quite different from the typical lithe, long-haired, light-skinned and delicate-featured depiction of the man Christians consider the son of God.[/size][/font]

Israeli and British forensic anthropologists and computer programmers got together to create the face featured in the 1.2-million circulation magazine, which occasionally veers from its usual coverage of motors and tools to cover the merger of science and religion.

"What did Jesus look like?" the article asks. "An answer has emerged from an exciting new field of science: forensic anthropology."

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Neave and a team of researchers started with an Israeli skull dating back to the 1st century. They then used computer programs, clay, simulated skin and their knowledge about the Jewish people of the time to determine the shape of the face, and color of eyes and skin.
They turned to the Bible to determine the length of his hair. In the New Testament, "would Paul (one of the apostles) have written, 'If a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him' if Jesus Christ had had long hair?" the article speculates.

The magazine's editors admit that [color=purple]they cannot be certain of the accuracy[/color] of this facial representation....

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Abzug Hoffman
02-22-2005, 06:26 PM
Yeah, but Moses looked just like Charlton Heston. And King David was a handsome fellow, too. Jesus was not only the first Christian, he was the first ugly Hebe, according to all judeo-professors.

Dasyurus Maculatus
02-23-2005, 10:58 AM
If he really could have done miracles, he would have made himself turn
white?.

In one of the recently pieced together Books of the Apocrypha (found as fragments of parchment in the Siniai desert) the story of J.'s first frustrating date with a local broad is revealed;

The Apocrypha reveal that the first time he 'got lucky' and managed to get close to 'getting some action' J.'s date found something closed and
healed up as soon as the miraculous hand of J. was laid upon her pussy .

Or maybe that story is just................. apocryphal? ;)

Bonnie P.
02-23-2005, 02:14 PM
Not that it makes any difference to me either way, but that re-construction is just a re-construction of a jew. They started out assuming jesus was a jew when they did this. it doesn't prove anything about how the historical jesus may or may not have looked--just proves that most jews are ugly.

Hadding
02-23-2005, 05:29 PM
Nobody knows how Jesus looked. There is absolutely no reason to assume that he looked like the average person of that region, which is the pseudoscientific assumption underlying that representation. Galilee in fact was full of Celts, hence the name.

Anyway that face looks somewhat moronic and on that account unlikely.

Doppelhaken
02-23-2005, 05:31 PM
[QUOTE=Hadding] Galilee in fact was full of Celts, hence the name.[/QUOTE]

What were they doing there? Captives from the slave trade?

Abzug Hoffman
02-23-2005, 05:47 PM
It was called 'Galilee of the Gentiles' twice or so in Bible, because of all the Gentiles living there. I have never heard that they were Celts. But under the Greek and Roman empires, I think there would be Europeans.

Galilee of the Gentiles
After the death of King Solomon (who was the son of King David), in the reign of Solomon's son King Rehoboam the united kingdom of Israel permanently divided into two independent kingdoms, "Judah" (the tribes of Judah and Benjamin, and part of Levi, see also Children of Jacob) in the south, and "Israel" (the tribes of Reuben, Simeon, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph/Ephraim/Manasseh and Benjamin, and part of Levi, see also Tribal Lands) in the north. Both kingdoms were eventually conquered in totality, first Israel in 721 BC by the Assyrians (see Ancient Empires - Assyria), and then Judah in 586 BC by the Babylonians (see Ancient Empires - Babylon), but both were a gradual process of being invaded and the people taken into exile. In the case of Israel, the "Galilee captivity" was one chapter of the fall.
Galilee of the Gentiles

The Kingdom of Israel (which was by then a totally-separate political entity from Judah - see Jews At War With Israel) was progressively invaded and taken over by a number of Assyrian kings over a period of more than 40 years, and the people of Israel were taken away into exile (exiling prisoners out of their own country is an ancient political tactic that is still used - during the Second World War, some German soldiers captured by British and Canadian troops in Europe were transported all the way across the Atlantic to prisoner of war camps in Canada, and after the US invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq some prisoners were transported half-way around the world to an isolated US prison camp in Cuba).

When the Assyrians took Israelites away, they brought in foreigners to tend the land. In the case of the Galilee captivity, they brought in Gentiles to settle there (2 Kings 15:29, 17:24), which resulted in Galilee later being sometimes known as "Galilee of the nations," or "Galilee of the Gentiles" (Isaiah 9:1, Matthew 4:13-16). It was also from those immigrants that the Galilean accent of later times originated, even among the Hebrew and Aramaic speaking people of Judah (including Jesus Christ and most of His apostles) who then lived in Galilee, which was very noticeable to the other people of Judah who lived in the south (e.g. to Peter, "your accent betrays you" in Matthew 26:73 RSV).

The Assyrian takeover of Israel was gradual, at first taking the form of economic extortion. About 762 BC, Pul of Assyria imposed a tribute (see Custom and Tribute) of a thousand talents of silver on King Menahem of Israel (see Kings of Israel and Judah):


"And Pul the king of Assyria came against the land: and Menahem gave Pul a thousand talents of silver, that his hand might be with him to confirm the kingdom in his hand. And Menahem exacted the money of Israel, even of all the mighty men of wealth, of each man fifty shekels of silver, to give to the king of Assyria. So the king of Assyria turned back, and stayed not there in the land" (2 Kings 15:19-20 KJV)
Assyrian invasions followed. About 738 BC, in the reign of King Pekah of Israel, Tiglath-pileser of Assyria brought about the Galilee captivity:


"In the days of Pekah king of Israel came Tiglathpileser king of Assyria, and took Ijon, and Abelbethmaachah, and Janoah, and Kedesh, and Hazor, and Gilead, and Galilee, all the land of Naphtali, and carried them captive to Assyria." (2 Kings 15:29 KJV)
Later, Shalmaneser of Assyria invaded Israel and laid siege to Samaria, the capital city of the Kingdom of Israel (Jerusalem was the capital city of the Kingdom of Judah). Shalmaneser was succeeded (or perhaps deposed) by the former General Sargon (who himself was assassinated by one of his own troops about 705 BC), who brought about the end of the Kingdom of Israel in 721 BC

"Against him came up Shalmaneser king of Assyria; and Hoshea became his servant, and gave him presents ... Then the king of Assyria came up throughout all the land, and went up to Samaria, and besieged it three years. In the ninth year of Hoshea the king of Assyria took Samaria, and carried Israel away into Assyria, and placed them in Halah and in Habor by the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes" (2 Kings 17:3,5-6 KJV)

hateemall
02-23-2005, 06:21 PM
No one knows for sure how Jesus looked in the eyes of his contemporaries. However, there is evidence that suggests the hair of Jesus may have been rather short—black or dark in color—and his beard closely trimmed.

Like Abraham the first Hebrew, Jesus was a Semite, a descendant of Noah’s son Shem (Gen. 11:10-32; 14:13; Mt. 1:1-17). As such, Jesus faithfully identified himself with the customs of the Jewish people and the teachings of Moses. He came not to abolish the Law but to establish and uphold it (Cf. Mt. 5:17). Given the Israelite ancestry of Jesus of Nazareth, what information do we have about the physical appearance of Jews in Bible times? Specifically, what archaeological and textual evidence do we have from the ancient world concerning Semitic hairstyles and the wearing of beards? Furthermore, how may this evidence on hair and beards assist us in trying to find out how Jesus looked to his contemporaries in that first-century milieu of Judaism in the land of Israel? We shall consider a variety of relevant ancient sources as we attempt to answer these questions.

In the land of Egypt, directly south of Israel, the people were usually clean-shaven. Joseph, a Semite, shaved before he entered the presence of Pharaoh, an obvious accommodation to Egyptian culture (Gen. 41:14). According to Herodotus, a fifth-century B.C. Greek historian, Egyptians shaved their heads from childhood but let the hair and beard grow when they were in mourning (Herodotus II.36; III.12). Egyptian priests shaved their whole body every third day for fear of harboring vermin when in the service of the gods (Herodotus II.37). Slaves brought to Egypt from other countries also had their beards and heads shaved. Both men and women of all but the poor classes wore wigs, both indoors and out. For religious ceremonies, Egyptian men sometimes wore artificial beards tied to the chin. Among the finds ...


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NOT-SEE
02-23-2005, 08:45 PM
Jesus never existed.. A jew woven fairy tail that grabbed white man by the balls and told him he needs to believe or die. No different than Horus or any of the MANY other crucified saviors of history.


http://www.truthbeknown.com

You want Jesus, you will find thousands of them in the HISSSSpanic communities...

Dasyurus Maculatus
02-24-2005, 02:33 AM
In parts of the wog world and middle-east, christianised Indians who have swarmed in to work or as illegal immigrants have erected many modern churches to idol-worship Jesus H.C.

In almost all of these places I have discovered that JHC is always portrayed on pictures/murals/wall paintings and mosaicsas a whiteman, normally blonde haired blue-eyed Aryan in appearance.

This may explain the deference and worshipful respect of the white man that Goans and other red-shirt brownfolk have. In a church in Muscat Oman I found Indians prostrating themselves on the floor to worship and pray to the White man portrayed as a mere picture on a wall mosaic icon.

It is right that Indians and other brown folks worship white people and the the alleged Hebe Identikit of JHC will be traumatic to the average 'Paki' of simple faith.

Hadding
02-24-2005, 02:54 AM
[QUOTE=NOT-SEE]Jesus never existed.. A jew woven fairy tail that grabbed white man by the balls and told him he needs to believe or die. No different than Horus or any of the MANY other crucified saviors of history.


http://www.truthbeknown.com

You want Jesus, you will find thousands of them in the HISSSSpanic communities...[/QUOTE]
I suspect that Jesus, like Apollonius of Tyana, did exist. I suspect that the crucifixion story is generally accurate and that after this event, which would have been undoubtedly the pinnacle of public awareness of him and thus the most likely event to be described accurately, many other details were made up about him to create a biography.

I think this because important details of the crucifixion story indicate that Jesus was a priest of Isis (i.e. Neoplatonism). This seems inconsistent with the representation of him as a preacher of Biblical fundamentalism. It is possible that a priest of Isis would try to use the local superstition as a stepping-stone toward Neoplatonism, but if that is the case then the Gospels do not quite represent accurately what he was about, and include some details that don't belong. Given the general quality of historiography from that region (e.g. Josephus) inaccuracies are to be expected.

I doubt the reliability of the background information provided in the Gospels (but I give some credibility to the crucifixion story). Therefore I can't really accept the Jesus-was-a-Jew idea.