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Chain
February 27th, 2005, 06:19 AM
Artifacts are not in The Hermitage. I checked. Russians don't seem to have any photos of them online. The amusing link below from "The Revisionist" says the gold was found in a basement a few years ago in St. Petersburg, having been hauled in from Germany in 1945, of course.
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=priam%27s+gold&btnG=Search+News

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=535130
Schliemann discovered the Trojan Gold, also known as King Priam's Treasure, in 1873 in what is now northwestern Turkey. He believed the gold belonged to Priam, king of Troy, the city featured in Homer's epic, The Iliad.

Experts later determined that the hoard dated back to the Bronze Age about 2500 B.C.,
http://216.239.63.104/search?q=cache:xktw40Nyi2IJ:www.robotwisdom.com/science/pie/+Aegean+Migrations%2B2500+bc&hl=en
2900 BC? Danube culture invades Aegean via Troy
long before Homer. (4,505 years ago!)
http://216.239.63.104/search?q=cache:Op_49cvUmXAJ:www.vho.org/tr/2000/3/tr03hate.html+trojan%2Bartifacts&hl=en
The Hate that Launched a Thousand Ships?
By George Brewer
Last month, in a typically ethnocentric proclamation, the Anti-Defamation League decreed that the swastika, although a venerable religious symbol to perhaps two billion people, was an anti-Semitic symbol of hate.

The Revisionist stands shoulder to shoulder with the ADL in ferreting out all symbols of hate, and therefore, as a result of our own research, we have found that among the numerous artifacts uncovered by the German archaeologist Heinrich Schliemann on the site of ancient Troy were many that were inscribed with the Hooked Cross. The conclusion, using ADL logic, appears inescapable: anti-Semitism existed over a thousand years before the birth of Christianity, and, perhaps, before there were any Jews!

The Trojan artifacts, originally from the second millennium BCE, were bequeathed by Schliemann to the Prussian Academy in Berlin, but were stolen by the Red Army in 1945 and were hidden in a basement for 50 years before surfacing a few years ago in St. Petersburg. It is not known how many of the swastika emblazoned artifacts survived KGB interrogations. In the past few years, Germany, Russia, Greece, and Turkey have all claimed, or re-claimed, ownership of the artifacts. However, it is clear that, should Germany prevail and recover the pieces, they will not be able to display them, since swastikas are banned in modern Germany. LMFAO
http://home.att.net/~a.a.major/troy.htm
Schliemann's wife Sophie wearing some of the gold-
http://home.att.net/~a.a.major/sophie.jpg
Highights of "Priam's Treasure"
http://home.att.net/~a.a.major/treasure.jpg

Hadding
February 27th, 2005, 10:05 AM
Swastikas are common enough on ancient vases etc. but the gold items allegedly found by Schliemann are all fake.

H8R
February 27th, 2005, 01:59 PM
Indians invented the swastika. A backwards version of the swastika was invented by those Chinese fucks.

Chain
February 27th, 2005, 02:07 PM
The current batch of news articles explicitly state that the objects have been proven to date to 2500 BC. We'd have to figure that that means they were tested- not just examined with the eye.
http://www.kfmb.com/stories/story.6359.html
Schliemann discovered the Trojan Gold, also known as King Priam's Treasure, in 1873 in what is now northwestern Turkey. He believed the gold belonged to Priam, king of Troy, the city featured in Homer's epic, The Iliad.

Experts later determined that the hoard dated back to the Bronze Age about 2500 B.C., long before Homer. I was aware when I posted of the controversies surrounding some of Schliemann's discoveries. Yet there are supposedly 9,000 pieces in the original find. He'd have had to had a lot of Turkish goldsmiths busy. And more to the point- the surrent articles on the Russian-German fight do state that the pieces have been proven to be 1,000 years olders than originally believed- to 2,500 BC.
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:vqJlqj3NPcIJ:www.archaeology.org/9907/etc/calder.html+priam%27s+gold%2Bauthenticity&hl=en
William A. MacDonald of the University of Minnesota observed that modern Schliemann research "is a mean spirited scholarly enterprise--particularly when aimed at one who cannot defend himself.... If deposits of genuine artifacts were salted with fake copies, scientific tests (not unsupported insinuations) are the constructive way to ascertain the facts."

The fact is that David Traill has more than once sought to test the mask, and the National Museum in Athens has consistently denied his request. This has always puzzled me. A metallurgist could silence annoying critics. What we must have is a public test by an independent expert not associated with the National Museum.--WILLIAM M. CALDER, III

Hadding
February 27th, 2005, 05:06 PM
The current batch of news articles explicitly state that the objects have been proven to date to 2500 BC. We'd have to figure that that means they were tested- not just examined with the eye.
http://www.kfmb.com/stories/story.6359.html
I was aware when I posted of the controversies surrounding some of Schliemann's discoveries. Yet there are supposedly 9,000 pieces in the original find. He'd have had to had a lot of Turkish goldsmiths busy. And more to the point- the surrent articles on the Russian-German fight do state that the pieces have been proven to be 1,000 years olders than originally believed- to 2,500 BC.
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:vqJlqj3NPcIJ:www.archaeology.org/9907/etc/calder.html+priam%27s+gold%2Bauthenticity&hl=en
News reports are not pieces of careful scholarship. The date on those gold items allegedly found by Schliemann is based on the depth at which he allegedly found them, not on any actual test.

Schliemann actually bungled and put them too deep, not being a trained archaeologist. The Troy of the Iliad, which those items were supposed to represent, was burned about 1250BC not 2500BC.

Yes he hired Turks to make those things. He could afford to do it.

Chain
February 27th, 2005, 06:11 PM
Hadding said-
News reports are not pieces of careful scholarship. The date on those gold items allegedly found by Schliemann is based on the depth at which he allegedly found them, not on any actual test.

Schliemann actually bungled and put them too deep, not being a trained archaeologist. The Troy of the Iliad, which those items were supposed to represent, was burned about 1250BC not 2500BC.

Yes he hired Turks to make those things. He could afford to do it.
Schliemann had allegedly thought they were from the destruction of Troy. The articles stated that they were, in fact, from much earlier. It's a canard for you to mix up the details of what was reported, and imply that everything is thereby wrong.

On the other hand, certainly, news articles to not carry the weight of scientific scholarship, and unfortunately- I think it was not stated which scientific body had investigated.

Hadding
February 27th, 2005, 08:25 PM
The credibility of Schliemann has been contended for many years, though I agree the evidence leans heavily towards a hoax. Do you have any links to support your position?

BTW, Schliemann was a German, not a jew, right?
I don't have any links. I read about it in a mythology textbook while I was getting my M.A.

Dasyurus Maculatus
February 27th, 2005, 08:57 PM
The current batch of news articles explicitly state that the objects have been proven to date to 2500 BC. We'd have to figure that that means they were tested- not just examined with the eye.

Correct.
X-ray Fluorescence dating is one of the proven scientific tools used to date ancient metal artefacts. Finds from the excavated layers have been shown as genuine - despite the envious turds in academia who were jealous of his discovery of the city of Troy and tried to rubbish Schliemann owing to him not having had a formal education in archaeology .

Herman van Houten
February 28th, 2005, 06:04 AM
The Illias will have to be banned now as a hate book. Oy veh, the hate.

Hadding
February 28th, 2005, 10:29 AM
Correct.
X-ray Fluorescence dating is one of the proven scientific tools used to date ancient metal artefacts. Finds from the excavated layers have been shown as genuine - despite the envious turds in academia who were jealous of his discovery of the city of Troy and tried to rubbish Schliemann owing to him not having had a formal education in archaeology .
Well I have just ordered Professor David Traill's book exposing Schliemann so we'll see what it says. I don't think that the current skepticism about Schliemann's alleged trove has anything to do with his lack of academic credentials.

Antiochus Epiphanes
February 28th, 2005, 03:28 PM
This has to be the first time in fifty years a non jew has used the word canard in print.

you mean the pate de canard a l'orange I bought yesterday was made by kikenvermin? and here I was thinking it was a perfectly suitable gentile terrine.

Antiochus Epiphanes
March 1st, 2005, 09:05 AM
Pate a l'orange, hmm? No wonder you're expanding your sphere of influence.

LOL It's for my wife she is a pate afficionada. And she has a high metabolism.

But I do sneak a little now and then...