Adolf The Great
August 12th, 2013, 01:06 PM
After searching around the internet and seeing many Wikipedia pages and books use the term "Untermenschen" to the Slavs, I would like to know where the Nazis ever said this, it is an allied war time propaganda myth.
There is no doubt that anti-Slav propaganda was used by the Nazis through propaganda, especially during the war to get the soldiers ready and to promote the old battle between Germanic and Slavic people. But what really annoys me is how often they (authors and internet pages) like to make the claim the Nazis viewed them as subhumans when in fact this can be confirmed to be a myth by the Nazis themselves, read the following:
The Ahnenpaß stated that "wherever they might live in the world" Aryans were "e.g. an Englishman or a Swede, a Frenchman or a Czech, a Pole or an Italian".
Source: http://www.jungefreiheit.de/Single-News-Display-mit-Komm.154+M51bf1bf199c.0.html
"He (Himmler) then singled out those nations which he regarded as belonging to the German family of nations and they were: the Germans, the Dutch, the Flemish, the Anglo-Saxons, the Scandinavians and the Baltic people. 'To combine all of these nations into one big family is the most important task at the present time' (Himmler said). 'This unification has to take place on the principle of equality and at that same time has to secure the identity of each nation and its economical independence, of course, adjusting the latter to the interests of the whole German living space. . . After the unification of all the German nations into one family, this family. . . has to take over the mission to include, in the family, all the Roman nations whose living space is favored by nature with a milder climate...I am convinced that after the unification, the Roman nations will be able to persevere as the Germans...This enlarged family of the White race will then have the mission to include the Slavic nations into the family also because they too are of the White race . . . it is only with such a unification of the White race that the Western culture could be saved from the Yellow race . . . At the present time, the Waffen-SS is leading in this respect because its organization is based on the principle of equality. The Waffen-SS comprises not only German, Roman and Slavic, but even Islamic units and at the same time has proven that every unit has maintained its national identity while fighting in close togetherness . . . I know quite well my Germans. The German always likes to think himself better but I would like to avert this. It is important that every Waffen-SS officer obeys the order of another officer of another nationality, as the officer of the other nationality obeys the order of the German officer."
Source: Latvian Legion. by Arturs Silgailis, p.348-349
According to the Nazi "Ancestral Proof" all the "the non-Jewish members of all European Volk are Aryans".
Source: The Nazi Ancestral Proof: Genealogy, Racial Science, and the Final Solution by Eric Ehrenreich, p.10
From a purely racial standpoint all European peoples belonged to the Aryan family and were thus fundamentally "racially equivalent", and even according to German ethnology it was impossible to speak of a "Slavic race". The justification against the Slavs lay rather in the point of a "depopulation policy" of the East as Slavs and all non-Germans represented a major völkisch threat, as well as the Nazis struggle against Bolshevism.
Source: "Non-Germans" Under the Third Reich: The Nazi Judicial and Administrative by Diemut Majer, p.63
"Ziemie zajęte przez Niemcy zostały częściowo włączone do III Rzeszy, z pozostałej części utworzono Generalne Gubernatorstwo (GG). Władze niem. wprowadziły podział ludności na Żydów i tzw. aryjczyków (m.in. Polaków), odmiennie traktując obie grupy (Żydów pozbawiły elementarnych praw ludzkich);" what means: "Terrains which were taken by the Germans were being gradually incorporated to the Reich, from the other parts General Government (GG) was created. German authorities introduced a segregation of people on Jews and so-called Aryans (mainly Poles), and both groups were treaten differently (Jews were deprived of basic human rights);".
Source: http://polska_pkurzydym.republika.pl/druga_wojna_swiatowa.htm
Question: Is it true that the Germans referred to the Russians as "subhumans"?
Answer: Nonsense! The Russians are human beings just like everyone else.
Your question, whether we called the Russians "subhumans," is nonsense. We had a first-class relationship with the Russian people. The only exception, which was a problem we dealt with, was with the Soviet Commissars, who were all Jews. These people stood behind the lines with machine guns, pushing the Russian soldiers into battle. And anyway, we made quick work of them. That was according to order. This was during a war for basic existence, an ideological war, when such a policy is simply taken for granted.
There was sometimes talk about the so-called Asian hordes, and ordinary soldiers sometimes spoke about subhumans, but such language was never officially used.
”
—Stephanie Schoeman's interview with General Otto Ernst Remer, 1990
Source: http://www.nazi.org.uk/political%20pdfs/GeneralOttoErnstRemer-AnInterview.pdf
As you can clearly see the Nazis did regard Slavs as Aryan, even the Nüremberg Laws did not effect them.
In fact, the so called evidence for this is suggested by the fact they only liked Germanic people which is nonsense, also... Himmler did say in a speech "Untermenschenvolk des Ostens" (subhuman people of the East) in the Treatment of Peoples of Alien Races in the East but he was not talking about Slavs but the Jewish Bolsheviks. Himmler even said Russians were Aryan (German: "in diesem gepeinigten arischen Volk") when recruiting for the The SS as an Anti-Bolshevik Fighting Organization". The thing is with Himmler is that he wanted Germanic people to be in the East as well he was just pro-Germanic not really pro-Aryan as you can find quite a lot of quotes about Slavs by him that are not nice but that still does not mean Slavs were regarded as non-Aryan and he did not directly call Slavs Untermenschen.
Why do people like to continue about the so-called Slavic subhumans which is clearly a myth?
There is no doubt that anti-Slav propaganda was used by the Nazis through propaganda, especially during the war to get the soldiers ready and to promote the old battle between Germanic and Slavic people. But what really annoys me is how often they (authors and internet pages) like to make the claim the Nazis viewed them as subhumans when in fact this can be confirmed to be a myth by the Nazis themselves, read the following:
The Ahnenpaß stated that "wherever they might live in the world" Aryans were "e.g. an Englishman or a Swede, a Frenchman or a Czech, a Pole or an Italian".
Source: http://www.jungefreiheit.de/Single-News-Display-mit-Komm.154+M51bf1bf199c.0.html
"He (Himmler) then singled out those nations which he regarded as belonging to the German family of nations and they were: the Germans, the Dutch, the Flemish, the Anglo-Saxons, the Scandinavians and the Baltic people. 'To combine all of these nations into one big family is the most important task at the present time' (Himmler said). 'This unification has to take place on the principle of equality and at that same time has to secure the identity of each nation and its economical independence, of course, adjusting the latter to the interests of the whole German living space. . . After the unification of all the German nations into one family, this family. . . has to take over the mission to include, in the family, all the Roman nations whose living space is favored by nature with a milder climate...I am convinced that after the unification, the Roman nations will be able to persevere as the Germans...This enlarged family of the White race will then have the mission to include the Slavic nations into the family also because they too are of the White race . . . it is only with such a unification of the White race that the Western culture could be saved from the Yellow race . . . At the present time, the Waffen-SS is leading in this respect because its organization is based on the principle of equality. The Waffen-SS comprises not only German, Roman and Slavic, but even Islamic units and at the same time has proven that every unit has maintained its national identity while fighting in close togetherness . . . I know quite well my Germans. The German always likes to think himself better but I would like to avert this. It is important that every Waffen-SS officer obeys the order of another officer of another nationality, as the officer of the other nationality obeys the order of the German officer."
Source: Latvian Legion. by Arturs Silgailis, p.348-349
According to the Nazi "Ancestral Proof" all the "the non-Jewish members of all European Volk are Aryans".
Source: The Nazi Ancestral Proof: Genealogy, Racial Science, and the Final Solution by Eric Ehrenreich, p.10
From a purely racial standpoint all European peoples belonged to the Aryan family and were thus fundamentally "racially equivalent", and even according to German ethnology it was impossible to speak of a "Slavic race". The justification against the Slavs lay rather in the point of a "depopulation policy" of the East as Slavs and all non-Germans represented a major völkisch threat, as well as the Nazis struggle against Bolshevism.
Source: "Non-Germans" Under the Third Reich: The Nazi Judicial and Administrative by Diemut Majer, p.63
"Ziemie zajęte przez Niemcy zostały częściowo włączone do III Rzeszy, z pozostałej części utworzono Generalne Gubernatorstwo (GG). Władze niem. wprowadziły podział ludności na Żydów i tzw. aryjczyków (m.in. Polaków), odmiennie traktując obie grupy (Żydów pozbawiły elementarnych praw ludzkich);" what means: "Terrains which were taken by the Germans were being gradually incorporated to the Reich, from the other parts General Government (GG) was created. German authorities introduced a segregation of people on Jews and so-called Aryans (mainly Poles), and both groups were treaten differently (Jews were deprived of basic human rights);".
Source: http://polska_pkurzydym.republika.pl/druga_wojna_swiatowa.htm
Question: Is it true that the Germans referred to the Russians as "subhumans"?
Answer: Nonsense! The Russians are human beings just like everyone else.
Your question, whether we called the Russians "subhumans," is nonsense. We had a first-class relationship with the Russian people. The only exception, which was a problem we dealt with, was with the Soviet Commissars, who were all Jews. These people stood behind the lines with machine guns, pushing the Russian soldiers into battle. And anyway, we made quick work of them. That was according to order. This was during a war for basic existence, an ideological war, when such a policy is simply taken for granted.
There was sometimes talk about the so-called Asian hordes, and ordinary soldiers sometimes spoke about subhumans, but such language was never officially used.
”
—Stephanie Schoeman's interview with General Otto Ernst Remer, 1990
Source: http://www.nazi.org.uk/political%20pdfs/GeneralOttoErnstRemer-AnInterview.pdf
As you can clearly see the Nazis did regard Slavs as Aryan, even the Nüremberg Laws did not effect them.
In fact, the so called evidence for this is suggested by the fact they only liked Germanic people which is nonsense, also... Himmler did say in a speech "Untermenschenvolk des Ostens" (subhuman people of the East) in the Treatment of Peoples of Alien Races in the East but he was not talking about Slavs but the Jewish Bolsheviks. Himmler even said Russians were Aryan (German: "in diesem gepeinigten arischen Volk") when recruiting for the The SS as an Anti-Bolshevik Fighting Organization". The thing is with Himmler is that he wanted Germanic people to be in the East as well he was just pro-Germanic not really pro-Aryan as you can find quite a lot of quotes about Slavs by him that are not nice but that still does not mean Slavs were regarded as non-Aryan and he did not directly call Slavs Untermenschen.
Why do people like to continue about the so-called Slavic subhumans which is clearly a myth?