Court Transcripts from the Dallas Hammerskin Trial:

A few excerpts:

"Sean Tarrant said blacks were inferior to whites," Mr.[Chris] Evans said.


"Mr.[Chris] Evans and Lyle Darrin, 18, of Grand Prairie, said they saw Mr. Hoover harassing the man. "

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Newspaper Excerpts about the Dallas Hamerskin Trial

Dallas Morning News
Feb. 2, 1990 (33A)
Witness says Jews targeted
By Tracy Everbach, Staff Writer of the*Dallas Morning News
Ex-skinhead tells of vandalism plans



The five defendants -- including Sean Tarrant, a 20-year-old
who allegedly founded and led the Hammerskins -- are charged
with conspiring to violate the civil rights of Jews in August
and October 1988 by vandalizing a Jewish temple and community
center in Dallas. They are also charged with conspiring to
violate the civil rights of African-Americans and Hispanics in
Dallas between June and September 1988 by chasing and
assaulting minorities in Robert E. Lee Park.


Mr. Schutza and six other former skinheads testified Friday.
All but one -- Christopher Evans, 18, of Dallas -- had made
agreements with prosecutors that allowed them to plead guilty
to lesser charges in exchange for their testimony. In exchange for his testimony against his former fellow skinheads, Mr. [Chris] Evans
never was charged.

The seven former skinheads testified that they witnessed an
assault on an Anglo man the skinheads believed was gay.

Mr. [Chris] Evans and Lyle Darrin, 18, of Grand Prairie, said they saw
Mr. Hoover harassing the man.

Several former Hammerskins testified that Mr. Tarrant formed,
led and named the group. Mr. Tarrant decided who would be
admitted as members and taught the group neo-Nazi
philosophies, they testified.

"Sean Tarrant said blacks were inferior to whites," Mr. [Chris] Evans
said.

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"Chris Evans is a fucking rat. He testified against me and four other Hamerskins and helped put us in prison. Absolutely anybody who has any questions about that can ask me about it."--Sean Tarrant, Bully Boys drummer and founding member of the Hammerskin Nation.

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Yes, that is a fact. Now, people friendly to the National Alliance like to say this is all internet rumors. Court transcripts don't lie. Then Alliance supporters will say we should all get along because our collective enemies will laugh if they see us tear each other apart. If you support the Alliance, and you have never seen the above court transcripts, then the joke is on you. This happened in 1990, and you can bet our collective enemies knew about it, just think how much they laughed that a rat had infiltrated such a big pro-White organisation whose own members didn't even know the truth.

Chris Evans remains the webmaster of the Resistance Records website, and runs the message board under the name "Hellcat." Chris Evans still owns and operates Aryan Wear clothing and boots. Chris Evans is still a member in good standing of the National Alliance, and they pay him $2,300 for his services. If you pay dues to the N/A, that's where your money is going. If you buy products from those companies, that's where your money is going.

Children cried themselves to sleep every night for years because their Dad was locked up on*B.S. conspiracy charges, and Chris Evans laughs all the way to the bank with your money.

N/A chairman and Resistance Records manager Erich Gliebe has known of this for years, as well as the other informants in his group like Maziarka and Myers, but they help bring in the cash, and hey, they only testified against skinheads, whom Gliebe has referred to as "hobbyists" and "drunken sieg heilers" and "rejects" over the years in public forums such as N/A leadership conferences. In fact, their inability and unwillingness to weed out informants was the reason the SPLC was given a tape of an entire Leadership Conference--by the same rat who*set up Chester Doles on phony gun charges and tape recorded conversations with him for two years. At that Leadership Conference Gliebe even admitted to keeping a homosexual in his Cleveland unit because he distributed so many Alliance pamphlets, but that he was "eventually" weeded out of the group.

If we refuse to set standards and clean house because it is publically embarrassing, we are fooling ourselves. The enemy already knows more about the Alliance than most members do. Some are starting to seriously consider the fact that the Alliance has been utterly corrupted at the leadership level by either government agents or those who directly work for them.

When the sale of Cds, stickers, patches and clothing is allowed to have this type of corrupting influence on our very lives and future, something has to change.

Dr. Pierce was a great man, and did not see the rats and traitors who were gathering power within the organisation waiting for their chance to take control. The decent men and women are being betrayed and duped into defending a rotten, defunct, corrupt gang of race traitors and schemers. While many of them are seeing the truth and leaving, they are often replaced by newcomers who were attracted by the hard work and outreach efforts*of former members. It's an ongoing cycle. Morris Dees must be laughing at it all.

In a particularly bad spot is Jason Stevens, Hammerskin leader and singer for Intimidation One. He accepted money last year from Gliebe in exchange for the band's next CD. He does not want to steal money from the remaining good Alliance members, but he also does not know that he wants to continue to be associated with the rats who have recently taken over operations.

If Gliebe does not immediately fire known informants and make public a concrete plan to re-organize his organizations, we will continue exposing them and releasing court documents and transcripts. Chances are he and his sneaky little band of rats will either deny everything or make no comment at all and wait*for everything to blow over like they usually do. If you tell the truth about them, they tell lies about you to distract everybody until nobody knows what to believe. It works every time, doesn't it?*

Oooh! The NA Leadership told on some punk skin heads, who gives a damn. They probably should have been arrested any way. Most Skin Heads do! I haven't met very many skin heads that have done any thing for the race any way. Dr. Pierce stated clearly that we must remain legal. I am sure that chris did what he had to do, and it is something that probably should have been done. If that's what it takes for skin heads to learn to stay legal, so be it! We couldn't have chris in there taking it up the ass right now, then who would run the resistance website? Fuck Skin Heads if they cannot stay legal. Look what happened to the order. Now everyone is paying for their fuck ups. The National Alliance remains the only hope the White Race has, and damn it, if we have federal informants in our leadership, if that will save the race, so be it!

John M

The National Alliance remains the only hope the White Race has, and damn it, if we have federal informants in our leadership, if that will save the race, so be it!

Did you seriously write that?

The National Alliance is NOT the only hope of the white race, and further, dishonorable people never bring about good things.

The National Alliance may be dead, if these topics are any indication of what's going on there. To me, that's a loss, but it's not the loss of the one hope for the white race!

First, best wishes to the posters here now at the new forum.

Because I love VNN, I think it's important that I add information where I know it, and I want to clear up some of the claims above.

Since NA nat'l leadership has exposed itself as having so many weaknesses and problems and character flaws and poor decisions, it's easy to want to go 100% all out attack against all things NA related. In other words, throwing out the baby with the bathwater, to which I say: quit being so useless and goddamn simpleminded.

I didn't see any court transcript posted above. I saw two quotes that don't implicate a damn body. I see a jewspaper article. I see someone posting who is very invested in fighting someone else's battles. As for me, I happened to find this tonight and type here to give my view, to clear up what was started above.

Show us the transcript where it has Evans fingerpointing/implicating Tarrant. That won't happen because, contrary to what the first poster posted, that is NOT how it happened. In fact, for a naive 17/18 yr. old kid, Evans kept himself remarkably reticent and shushed when they were likely playing good cop bad cop on him and could have gotten him to spill all sorts of things. We'll leave it at that.

It's no coincidence: from what I can see, and I've listened to information from both sides, Tarrant picked the most successful dude to have come out of that group, someone who has a major hand in Resistance, and just shoved all responsibility onto him, 100%.

But as for the whole SCENESTERISM of it: "Informants and traitors and bears - oh my! ...Informants everywhere, traitors everywhere, infested infested blah!" ...I'm sure the JDL, et. al. is very flattered that the thread starter cowers like that with those sort of words, considering that they're hardly flexing their oppressive muscle right now. News flash here: be you a leaderless resister, an NA member, a skinhead -- endless cliqueish in-talk bores the ever living fuck out of the VNN-minded. It sure bored the fuck out of me a long time ago.

...Yes, some people HAVE grown up and built decent lives and careers, and cheers to them. Guess what? I don't want to be a part of ANYTHING a mere "informant" could bring down. That clues me in that it wasn't strong enough to begin with. Forget about (as K. Strom might put it: ) "guarding against" agents, double-agents, what the fuck ever. Why give them that power? Let's build our own networks up and at the same time let them worry about what WE are "infiltrating." It's OUR power.

**gay-sounding lines removed by author

You sound well meaning, but you don't have all of the facts.
The above is transcript quotes. The reporter heard it testified to, and it is word-for-word what the transcripts say, also. Have you seen the transcripts? I have. Tarant has them as well. Ask him, if you know him.

Nobody ever said Evans was 100% responsible for sending those guys to prison. He was one of many rats at that trial. He just happens to work for a company with several known informants, and he lies about what occurred at the trial. So he is a rat that lies about it, and is protected by the types of people that hire other informants.
That's bad news, and any reasonable person can see the sense in that.
You say you want to be part of something that informants can't destroy, but that doesn't exist. The U.S. can execute spies, because infiltrators can sink an entire nation in times of crisis. Just see what they can do to a puny organisation of less than 1,000 people whom the government would like to imprison anyway.
Ask Chester Doles how dangerous lying informants are. Ask Bob Matthews. Ask thousands of people dead or in prison because of weak traitors. It ain't cool. It shouldn't be tolerated. It won't be.

Ok, we'll go with that, no one's blaming full responsibility. What strikes me, though, is that it was good enough 3 years ago to do business with Resistance, and everyone knew about the 10-yr.-old Hammerskin criminal proceedings in question, and no one had a bad taste in their mouth of either party, just saw it for what it was, one big clusterfuck. Everyone proceeded just fine. But now that NA is hobbling on a weak leg, it's time to take advantage of that? Try to resurrect the decade-old drama? I'm concerned about current shit, is where my concern is.

I see hinting about "we will expose" the full transcript, but of course that will be LATER after certain people are "fired." Reads like standard poker bluff. Who is this shadowy "we"? Why isn't that made clear? Who are you speaking for in this crusade? You are the ones making the claims, so shouldn't the good public know just who is Extorting for What is Right™?

What "NatALLCa" just said in his above post is a perfect example of what the NA has............and as an NA member MYSELF ( which I probably won't be after posting this, but who gives a damn I haven't paid dues since Pierce passed anyway).

A lot of the members left in the NA were Erich Gliebe supporters from the getgo. From the very min that Dr. Pierce passed away there were already rumors going around that Gliebe would be the new leader.........I mentioned to my own unit leader (who also was a Gliebe supporter) who I thought would be better for the job..........O, that was the wrong thing to say according to him....he even went so far as to say at the next meeting before Gliebe was even voted on by the board, "That there were all kinds of rumors floating around about who would be the Chairman, but that HE WAS SURE THAT IT WOULD BE ERICH GLIEBE".
I saw right through that B.S.
So, Erich was voted in and got rid of everyone on his list that wasn't a "fan" of his from the start!!!!!!!!!!! Starting with Billy Roper.......( A very good man I might add)......I knew when that happened shit was up because, I will tell you. A person came crawling out of the wood works by the name Becky Taylor......She claimed that she was a Spokes Person for the NA........and that she was the leading Authority on Billy............which I found very odd because I had never HEARD of her..........and so I thought, well, maybe it's just that I never met her.......So, I made some phone calls and found out, that not only had I never heard of her, but neither had ANYONE that i made phone calls to about her........I even spoke with a person who had been in the NA for years, and was in charge of ALL the units in the state of NC..........and he never heard of her either............Anyway, enough of that..........

When the NA had their last big rally in DC........my unit leader made it very clear that anyone going HAD BETTER DRESS UP.........Of course after it was over, and the rumors starting floating around about the skinheads that were there, and the fact that they didn't dress up, and all that crazy nonsense that HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH NOTHING!!!!!! I will add that, that same unit leader that made such a FUSS about various folks being there that weren't dressed up, showed up in his BDU's to the rally.............and on, and on, and on, they went venting about the skinheads, and the seig heils, and etc..........and all that CRAP, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING.....The NA should have been GLAD, that the numbers showed up that did show up..........instead of seemingly immature B.S. that doesn't really mean a hill of shit to what the goal of what your trying to accomplish as a group of white folks, having a rally really means.......

So, there you have it folks welcome to THE NEW ERICH GLIEBE FAN CLUB, FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE NA............

And last but not least, to all the Erich fan clubbers out there, that love to talk their hype about how folks should dress.....and then knock down others for the way they dress...............(and by the way the type of clothes you wear, be it a suit, or jeans has nothing to do with looking good, and being neat, and presentable and clean......you can be in blue jeans and look like a million bucks! )
screw off, because believe me, when your survival is threatened.......Your not gonna be running around in a three piece suit........unless of course that is what you happen to be wearing at the time..........lol..... :D

Becky Taylor is of of Gliebe's (many) ex-fiance's. He tends to put them on payroll for sleeping with him, or for not talking about sleeping with him.

The NA is dead in NC. The man who used to be the leader over it quit a year or so ago, when they wouldn't fire a woman who'd screwed him and several other men over, trying to get money, then lied about him and tried to claim he was stalking her, etc. A lot of their members joined the Klan - Eric's gotta be hating that.

Yes I know who the man is I'm from NC myself........It doesn't matter why he resigned the fact is he did......and not just him a whole HOST of other members like him.........none of these issues are even the point.....like you said the NA in NC is dead....and it's dead everywhere...

As far as I'm concerned it's just one big happy Erich Gliebe fan club.....
and who wants to be a part of that.........and all the other B.S. within the organization........

The fact is: Gliebe needs to give it up........

Actually, it was not well known about Chris Evans......
The people he helped put in prison obviously knew he was a rat, but they didn't follow his little internet career after they were released and didn't know he had risen in the N.A. ranks......Those who knew he had risen in the N.A. were not aware of his decade old betrayal. When the information was all connected, people started wanting something to be done about it.....This was fairly recently. Nobody is "ganging up" on the N.A. because they are going down the shitter.....They are going down the shitter because of the backlash from their own actions. Every single group and org. in the country is fed up with them, and will not lift a finger to help them when they suffer the consequences of what they have done.
The N.A, can convince itself that this is all brought on by "jealousy" of their "accomplishments"......but rational, sane adults know a little better than that.
As for the indentities of whistleblowers, yes, I'm sure the N.A. would like to know everybodies identities so they can thoroughly trash them and distract people with rumors and gossip. Remaining anonymous is a perfect way to put cold, hard facts into public discourse without enabling the N.A. to muddy the waters with personal slander against their detractors.

Whether things were done or not done is the issue, not the first and last name of those that are aware of what was done or not done.....

Correct......

Nothing really matters at this point anyway.........
All the happenings that have happened or continue to happen will just be refuted anyway.

In the mean time Erich will continue to dig his hole deeper and deeper until he finally falls in.......

You would think that they would realize that folks can see through all that crap.
Someone said to me recently that GONE are the days that folks join any organization to team up with leaders who's only interest is to control the mass's. That just does not work anymore. We are not living in an era anymore of time where that can or will work.

It sorta reminds me of the way I have seen blacks act when a company gives them a little power. Give them a little power and so goes the company. they bring in all their own people and then defy anyone who would question their skills or lack of them.......Next thing you know the whole company has taken a total dive downward..........And on and on it goes.......

Anyway, I don't see anything good happening with the NA as long as Erich holds the rank and file of power.

It's obvious what is going on with the NA. It's also obvious that the NA is easy to ignore, let what happens happen. In the meantime, we know that White Revolution is growing and taking the lead the NA once had. Any White man or woman can join or work with WR and help to do what is needed to save our race.

http://www.whiterevolution.com

You may also want to join Forum 14 and engage in discussions there as well.

Let's not waste our time with those who are not interested in the best interests of our race, let's move forward as White Revolution is.


IWR,
John

Whatever gray area there may be about certain examples, it can be universally assumed that if you testify for the prosecution against your friends in exchange for not facing the repercussions for actions equally taken by you and your friends, you are a rat.
If you and a fellow racist have a falling out and he blows your car up, and the police get involved, you would still be a rat for giving information about it.
If a nigger blows your car up and you can't (or don't want to) deal with it personally, you are not a rat for calling the cops.
But again, if you and your friends do something jointly against someone else, and you cooperate with the government to escape prosecution, you are a rat.
If you do something on your own and get caught, and trade information about your friend's prior actions in exchange for not being punished for what you did, you are a rat.

Whatever gray area there may be about certain examples, it can be universally assumed that if you testify for the prosecution against your friends in exchange for not facing the repercussions for actions equally taken by you and your friends, you are a rat.
If you and a fellow racist have a falling out and he blows your car up, and the police get involved, you would still be a rat for giving information about it.
If a nigger blows your car up and you can't (or don't want to) deal with it personally, you are not a rat for calling the cops.
But again, if you and your friends do something jointly against someone else, and you cooperate with the government to escape prosecution, you are a rat.
If you do something on your own and get caught, and trade information about your friend's prior actions in exchange for not being punished for what you did, you are a rat.

I disagree. White racialists should go to jail for comitting crimes against their fellow whites. I'd turn the fucker in if he ever vandalized my property after some petty verbal dispute. Obviously, he's proven himself to be a piece of shit by his actions.

If you do something on your own and get caught, and trade information about your friend's prior actions in exchange for not being punished for what you did, you are a rat.
Nearly all WN leaders tell followers to keep their activities legal. If you disobey, it seems like you are betraying your leader. A minor treasonous offense, but nonetheless being a rat would help expose the lawbreakers in our ranks.

A guy may be a pice of shit, but that doesn't mean you involve police in it. Not being a cop caller doesn't mean you are cool with what everybody wants to do to you, but most people that handle their business correctly don't find themselves in a position of having the things done to them that would necessitate involving police.

As far as "disobeying" some leader or other.....Most "leaders" who tell their followers to stay completely legal also advise you to not not talk to police. So if one guy does something silly, and another guy rats him out, maybe they both need to be weeded out of the group, for the sake of security.
But remember, most of us are not members of any particular group and are bound more by the unspoken laws that govern our collective activity more than by what one or another leader may say.

What about when our music and literature is illegal, as it is in Canada and Germany? At what point does the fact that a person violated a government law not necessarily make them a "criminal" in your eyes?

A guy may be a pice of shit, but that doesn't mean you involve police in it. Not being a cop caller doesn't mean you are cool with what everybody wants to do to you, but most people that handle their business correctly don't find themselves in a position of having the things done to them that would necessitate involving police.

As far as "disobeying" some leader or other.....Most "leaders" who tell their followers to stay completely legal also advise you to not not talk to police. So if one guy does something silly, and another guy rats him out, maybe they both need to be weeded out of the group, for the sake of security.
But remember, most of us are not members of any particular group and are bound more by the unspoken laws that govern our collective activity more than by what one or another leader may say.

What about when our music and literature is illegal, as it is in Canada and Germany? At what point does the fact that a person violated a government law not necessarily make them a "criminal" in your eyes?


Whose gonna repay me after the bastard vandalizes my property? What, am I going to vandalize some piece of his property? OH please, this is so absurd as to not make sense.

No, it makes perfect sense to the rest of us.
Hypothetically speaking, why did the guy vandalize you property?
Maybe you deserved it........
Again, if you handle yourself properly in most social situations, you won't find that anybody vandalizes your property.
Maybe you run with different crowds, but I know a guy who had his tattoo shop vandalized by Mexicans. He found their house and burned one of their vehicles to the ground. He has had no problems with them since.
Do you know how long it would take to get the police interested in a vandalism case? Or how hard it is to prove guilt? How would you win damages from someone who was broke to begin with?
Hey, if you are a cop caller and want to deal with a long drawn out legal process that will probably leave you with nothing anyway, go for it.
Others of us will correct our problems instantly in a way that encourages those types of people to never fuck with us again.

No, it makes perfect sense to the rest of us.
Hypothetically speaking, why did the guy vandalize you property?
Maybe you deserved it........
Again, if you handle yourself properly in most social situations, you won't find that anybody vandalizes your property.
Maybe you run with different crowds, but I know a guy who had his tattoo shop vandalized by Mexicans. He found their house and burned one of their vehicles to the ground. He has had no problems with them since.
Do you know how long it would take to get the police interested in a vandalism case? Or how hard it is to prove guilt? How would you win damages from someone who was broke to begin with?
Hey, if you are a cop caller and want to deal with a long drawn out legal process that will probably leave you with nothing anyway, go for it.
Others of us will correct our problems instantly in a way that encourages those types of people to never fuck with us again.

Good way to get yourself thrown in jail. Yeah, I would rather take the law into my own hands. Guns will solve most problems. :D

SO, is the National Vanguard Books operation still reliable? I've ordered a few books from them in the past and always thought the main good of the organization was in it's distribution of White educational and and entertainment resources.
Nationalist organizations in America won't be prime time till at least one of the gentile billionaires bilked by jews (like Steve Case or Ted Turner) decide to direct some serious resources towards the right front man for their interests.

"SO, is the National Vanguard Books operation still reliable?"

Yes, but they might fuck up and send it to the wrong house or you might get only half your order by hey go ahead and roll dice with the devil.

I've never had a problem with National Vangaurd books.

I'm amazed that White racialists would even need to discuss what constitutes a rat, whether there is such a thing as a rat, whether rats should be ignored because what they did was in the past, whether we should be working with the system (police, courts, etc.) that are our avowed enemies, etc.

Aryan common sense should make the answers to the above obvious, unless one is blinded by party politics or some other bias.

If a white woman fucked a nigger (even if it was 15 years ago) I am sure most in the WN movement would NOT forgive her for her transgressions. Why is it any different with fucking traitors and informants?

Agreed! A traitor is a traitor whether they sleep with the enemy or serve the enemy by ratting on our own!