As per Glenn's request, here is the letter in question. Remember, this is the Civil forum.

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Ow wow, oh gee, golly gee !!! The Miller haters came up with their biggest "weapon" yet, a letter written by Glenn Miller himself. And to close minded idiots, and bolshevik prosecutors who never allow truths or rebuttals to interfere with the verdict, it's enough to prove the prosecution's case.

Oh, I wrote and signed the letter alright. It was written when I was locked inside a ZOG cage and wanting to get unlocked sooner than latter. A BS ploy on my part addressed to Doug Smith (I think that was his last name), who was the Missouri Attorney General who prosecuted and convicted Jack Jackson and Douglas Sheets for possession of illegal weapons. I DID NOT TESTIFY AT THAT TRIAL, which resulted in 20 year prison sentences for each. (Both served 6 and a half years, all tolled and were released).

About all my letter included was BS I got from one of the books written about The Order, and a vague promise to help them if they let me out of the slammer.

Louis Beam received that letter, no doubt, from Jack Jackson. It was Jackson's half brother, Tony Wydra who brought to feds to me in Apr 87 which resulted in my arrest and the termination of my underground "spree" against ZOG. And Jackson ratted on me after our arrests, long before I plea bargained with the feds. The following is a newspaper report of what he said to the feds about why he accompanied me while I was underground:

"Robert Jackson, a white supremacist and former associate of Miller, is on trial for failing to appear for a federal conspiracy trial in Elizabeth City. Jackson said he didn't show up for the trial because Miller threatened his family.

"I had planned to be at the trial, Jackson testified. He (Glenn Miller) indicated that my family was being watched. It was a threat, a serious threat.

"Jackson said Miller also threatened the family of another former White Patriot Party member, Douglas Sheets, who had been subpoened to testify."

"Jackson said he went along with Miller (underground) only to protect his family and planned to surrender after the trial." (Unquote)

NOTE: The above appeared in an AP newspaper article, and was written by a reporter by the name of Dan Headrick. I do not have the exact date of that article, but it was prior to my own plea bargain.

Note Beam's letter which states: "This letter comes to me from one of the men Miller helped send to prison."

"Helped send to prison ??? What the hell does "Helped send to prison", mean ?? Beam didn't say.

Both Jackson and Sheets were sent to prison as a result of their Springfield, MO trial in 1988, for possession of illegal weapons. I DID NOT TESTIFY AT THAT TRIAL !!!

And pray tell, why doesn't Beam or the man "the letter comes from", come here and face me ???

I would appreciate any and all HARD BALL questions about this. So "sock um" to me !!!


NOTE: As I've stated since my very first post on VNNF in February 04, that the rehashings of dirty movement linen only serves to provide aid and comfort to our racial enemies, and help further demoralize WNs. I never ever bring any of it up publicly via the internet or otherwise, except in response to attacks and to defend myself.

My enemies have no such restraint. They couldn't care less how much aid and comfort they provide our enemies, nor how much they demoralize WNs. And that my fellow VNN'ers is why I announced several weeks ago that I want someone else to take over the duties of Tabloid Clerk, and that I will not become a member of the White Freedom Party.

I'm not sure what to say... That letter is pretty damning.

But I've seen and heard Miller debate. Check out the phora, where he made a complete ass of himself. He wasn't very impressive against Martin Lindestedt either. He doesn't debate, he obfuscates.

I agree with Jebstu88 for once.

RE: jebstu88

I've just taken the time to read through your other posts.

You have nothing to say. You are either a jew or just a flat-out moron.

You are not fit to shine Miller's boots.

One more thing, little boy, lose the potty mouth, this is the civil forum.

RE: Subrosa

I agree with Jebstu88 for once.
I would seriously re-think this if I were you. Please do not take this as a threat of any kind, this is a brotherly appeal to reason.

I’ve read many of your other posts.......And you are a bright person and you sound like a solid and true WN.

I am reposting this from another thread for your benefit:

The question: Why are they spending so much time obsessing about you (Miller) instead of writing essays railing against the jew?

The answer: They are “with the jews“. Period

Every minute that they spend thinking about you (Miller) serves the jew’s purpose. But alas, there is nothing one can say to a Brother when the jew has his veil of lies covering their heart.

Their arguments ring hollow to me when they say that they want to warn me of the potential danger that you may pose to me...........Because no one here is advocating any illegal behavior, and thus, there is nothing to fear from the authorities or anyone ratting on anyone for anything. And they know that.

This is so blatantly obvious in it’s logic that the rebuttals always seem to contain an aspect irrationality that I can only define as jew-like or feminine-like in characteristic.

jebstu 88 talks like one of those NS&M or White Revulsion idiots. Wonder how far he made it in school? I'm betting about third grade with those English skills.

jebstu 88 talks like one of those NS&M or White Revulsion idiots. Wonder how far he made it in school? I'm betting about third grade with those English skills.

Yeah! Why can't people get the difference between your and you're?

comeing ?

No questions Glenn your a true peice of shit and you have alot of ball's still comeing around!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The bottom lines regarding that letter, written while I was in prison, was (1) I no longer owed any loyalty to The Order or to Jack Jackson and Douglas Sheets. 13 Order members had previously ratted on me. Jack Jackson had previously ratted on me. And Douglas Sheets plotted to assassinate me while we were underground together and steal what remained of the $35,000 cash I had on me. (I've explained that story on VNNF several times), and

(2) If you'll read the letter carefully, you'll see that it contained nothing the feds didn't already have - namely information contained in books about The Order published long before my letter, and that Jackson and Sheets had helped Lane hide from the feds when Lane was on the run, a FACT the feds well knew, just as they knew I helped Lane hide out, as well. HOW DID THEY KNOW? Because when Lane was in hiding during those 2-3 months, he was frequently phoning the Order's Message Center's Operator, one Ken Loff who was working for the feds even when Lane was phoning him, and which resulted in Lane's arrest. (That fact is contained in the books written about The Order). Also, as I've proven many times and no one has denied it - Lane tried to make a deal with the feds right after his arrest in late Mar 85.

For the past 13 months now, I've made at least a thousand posts and many threads detailing my association with The Order. To date, not even one statement I've made; not even one statistic or one date; and not even one fact I've presented about Order rats, has been proven wrong.

And so, I invite anyone and everyone, to point to one single lie I've ever made on the subject.

And that my fellow VNN'ers, is why not even one of my enemies will come to VNNF and face me one-on-one in fair, impartial, and open debate.

Yes Glenn you're just an innocent angel and it's all someone else's fault. You say your testimony didn't hurt Louis Beam one bit, odd that he disagrees, eh Glenn?
Shame we can't have Louis Beam debate you on this very forum. Now THAT would be interesting indeed. Oh well those that wish to follow you are welcome to.
Best Regards,
Robert
P.S. I'm sure you'll call me a Kike,coward,ad infinitum,ad nauseum. Whatever Glenn. Your record speaks for itself, and for you that ain't too good pal.


Rip Pastor Miles and Pastor Butler

BTW Where do you get off talking trash about a man like Miles? Bob paid his dues and was quite a fellow. I repeat shame Pastor Beam won't come here on VNN and tell us all what he thinks. Of course I'm sure he'd just get banned and or edited, I suppose money talks. It seems to have a louder voice than the truth anyway.

Yes Glenn you're just an innocent angel and it's all someone else's fault. You say your testimony didn't hurt Louis Beam one bit, odd that he disagrees, eh Glenn?
Shame we can't have Louis Beam debate you on this very forum. Now THAT would be interesting indeed. Oh well those that wish to follow you are welcome to.
Best Regards,
Robert
P.S. I'm sure you'll call me a Kike,coward,ad infinitum,ad nauseum. Whatever Glenn. Your record speaks for itself, and for you that ain't too good pal.


Rip Pastor Miles and Pastor Butler

BTW Where do you get off talking trash about a man like Miles? Bob paid his dues and was quite a fellow. I repeat shame Pastor Beam won't come here on VNN and tell us all what he thinks. Of course I'm sure he'd just get banned and or edited, I suppose money talks. It seems to have a louder voice than the truth anyway.

I never claimed to be without fault, Rob. I made lots of mistakes and errors in judgment. And I'm owned up to mine. You don't hear the others owning up to their's, though do ya ??

There's lots of dirty movement linen. But look who keeps airing them all publicly. Not me. I simply respond. And I respond only AFTER being attacked personally. Wouldn't you do the same ?

Go read "My Side of The Story" below. Since you've also heard the other side, then you can then make fair, informed, and honest judgment. If you're man enough.

Louis Beam can come to VNNF anytime and debate me one-on-one in fair open debate. No banning. No censorship.

Having served 20 years in the U.S. Army, including 13 years in the green beret paratroopers, and two tours of duty in Vietnam, I have never been in the company of men as fearless, courageous, and as dedicated to a cause as Jack Jackson, Douglas Sheets, and Tony Wydra.

Glenn,
Why did you write this in your book (printed in 99). You said you abandened any loyalty to these men long ago and they wanted to kill you. Could you explain?

Below is the statement Louis makes introducing the letter, which was received Feb 02 1989. Jackson and Sheets received guilty verdicts on April 13 1988. They were sentenced on June 21 1988. Correct me if I am wrong but this letter could not have been used in their trial.

Greetings, March 14, 2005

I have enclosed for you a letter from Glen Miller to one of the federal prosecutors handling him after he was indicted. I do not know the last name of the prosecutor.

This letter from Glen Miller to the federals speaks for itself. The letter comes to me from one of the men Miller helped send to prison for over ten years and was obtained during discovery for his trial. This letter, along with others like it, were used by the defense to show that Miller was a federal informant and had received sentence reduction for his efforts on part of the government and Morris Dees. This document was later entered into evidence during the trial of this patriot. I vouch for this fine man who was truly brave, did his time, betrayed no one and has been released from prison.

I provide this information so that the federals and their paid informants may not entrap others.

Regards, Louis Beam

Glenn,
Why did you write this in your book (printed in 99). You said you abandened any loyalty to these men long ago and they wanted to kill you. Could you explain?

Below is the statement Louis makes introducing the letter, which was received Feb 02 1989. Jackson and Sheets received guilty verdicts on April 13 1988. They were sentenced on June 21 1988. Correct me if I am wrong but this letter could not have been used in their trial.

Fair questions, Joe.

That letter, as I said, was just a ploy (a little trick) of mine during imprisonment to get ZOG to reduce my sentence a bit. I never received a response to it, and my sentence was not reduced. And you correctly conclude that the letter was dated AFTER Jack and Doug's trial for possession of illegal weapons. A trial BTW, at which I did not testify.

As for my book, I left out almost all "dirty movement linen", including Jack's, Doug's, Tony Wydra's, Another underground associate named Bob ?, and others. I wanted the book to be inspirational and a record of my own activisms, not a demoralizing testament of "dirty linen".

Jack, Doug, and Tony were as I described them in my book, though I'll admit I stretched it a bit. But the things I've stated about them subsequent to my book and here on VNNF, are true as well. Tony Wydra, even though he was arrested along with the rest of us in a trailer loaded with a half ton of illegal firearms and explosives, never spent one nite behind bars. Because he brought the feds to us. Doug tried his best to convince Jack to assassinate me and steal what remained of the $35,000 in cash I had on me. Not one of them ever had any intention of helping me carry out my underground plan and thwarted me daily almost with their "We ain't doin shit til we get our ID". All Jack and Doug wanted to do was evade their own court appearances on previous charges, while enjoying my money. (Plus, Jack told the feds in court later on that the only reason they joined me in my underground "spree" was because I threatened to do harm to their families if they didn't. That news report is posted above in my previous post).

Prior to our arrest, there was a national FBI manhunt for us. Things were getting super "hot". And I became convinced Jack would comply with Doug's wishes to assassinate me and take the money because of it. And so I told them both to bury me where the feds would not find me, so they'd still fear me. Then remembering the $100,000 life insurance policy, I changed that request, and told them to leave my body out in the open someplace so my family would receive the insurance money. Their dry-grinned denial only further confirmed my belief I'd be assassinated.

I never claimed to be without fault, Rob. I made lots of mistakes and errors in judgment. And I'm owned up to mine. You don't hear the others owning up to their's, though do ya ??

There's lots of dirty movement linen. But look who keeps airing them all publicly. Not me. I simply respond. And I respond only AFTER being attacked personally. Wouldn't you do the same ?

Go read "My Side of The Story" below. Since you've also heard the other side, then you can then make fair, informed, and honest judgment. If you're man enough.

Louis Beam can come to VNNF anytime and debate me one-on-one in fair open debate. No banning. No censorship.


Hey Glen....BTW I really liked your book quite a bit. If everyone on here would read it I'm quite sure they would learn a bit more about the truth....
Anyway, I'm sure if everyone's dirty laundry were posted on this board for public display it would get very quiet in regards to what anyone has to say about you but I wouldn't worry about it too much if I were you...:)

Glenn,
After the 3 of you were taken in and were sitting in a cell together knowing that you all were in deep stuff was there any reconciling going on or were you at each other’s throats? Have you corresponded with either of the two since that time and if not would you like to?

Also would you mind sharing the details of your memorandum of plea agreement? Maybe you have a copy in your files.

I don’t want you to think that I am putting you on trial Glenn, its just I find this rather fascinating. Even though I wasn’t around then, I feel that it is my history. It is the history of events that directly involved people who saw the world the way I now see it. It is the history of my people and whether it reflects good or bad doesn’t matter at this point.

Hey Glen....BTW I really liked your book quite a bit. If everyone on here would read it I'm quite sure they would learn a bit more about the truth....
Anyway, I'm sure if everyone's dirty laundry were posted on this board for public display it would get very quiet in regards to what anyone has to say about you but I wouldn't worry about it too much if I were you...:)

I am pleased you liked my book, Aryan88. (BTW, thanks for purchasing and distributing VNN tabloids - Hope you'll order a batch of issue #2, as well. It'll be printed soon now.)

Glenn,
After the 3 of you were taken in and were sitting in a cell together knowing that you all were in deep stuff was there any reconciling going on or were you at each other’s throats? Have you corresponded with either of the two since that time and if not would you like to?

Also would you mind sharing the details of your memorandum of plea agreement? Maybe you have a copy in your files.

I don’t want you to think that I am putting you on trial Glenn, its just I find this rather fascinating. Even though I wasn’t around then, I feel that it is my history. It is the history of events that directly involved people who saw the world the way I now see it. It is the history of my people and whether it reflects good or bad doesn’t matter at this point.

Jack, Doug and I spent the first day and nite in a Springfield, MO jail cell together. Tony Wydra, Jack's half brother, was released after a few hours. No, we did not go at each other's throats. For one thing, both are much younger, and both out weighed me by 50 lbs, or so. Plus it made no sense to me at the time to "get in their faces" about how the feds found us. I don't recall exactly when I became aware that Tony had been released, though it wasn't long after our arrests. After that first nite, Jack, Doug, and I were locked in separate cells inside the Psycho Ward of the federal prison in Springfield for about a week, to intice us to waiver extradiction proceedings - It worked.)

No, I've had no communications with either Jack or Doug. And have no desire to, for reasons I've stated.

I've probably got a copy of the plea bargain agreement I made with the feds around here someplace, though I haven't looked at it in years. I'll rummage around and see if I can find it. It's a standard agreement. I agreed to enter a guilty plea, and answer all their questions truthfully in exchange for a recommended sentence of 5 years in prison.

It should be noted that prior to my Order related crimes (Aug/Sep 84), I was as legal as Duke, Pierce or anyone else, and had been an WN activist in NC for the previous 10 years, since 1974 - As an active member of Dr Fields' State's Rights Party, Covington's Nazi organization, and then in 1980 as leader of my own group, The White Patriot Party.

I was never a member of The Order, and simply a recipient of their money like about a dozen other legal, above ground WN leaders were at the time. And I'd never seen nor even heard of any of them prior to being given stolen money and the other crimes I committed during the short period I was in their presence.

If the plea agreement is that vague, I am not all that interested in it. I thought it would have been very specific as to your part in working with the prosecution. You were arrested 30 APR 87 and Beam and the others were indicted 6 days prior on 24 APR 87. Was it in the plea agreement to testify at Fort Smith and what knowledge did you have in your possession about non-order inductees such as Beam, Miles and Butler?

Also did you ever here any probable rumors about who might have hit Tony?

If the plea agreement is that vague, I am not all that interested in it. I thought it would have been very specific as to your part in working with the prosecution. You were arrested 30 APR 87 and Beam and the others were indicted 6 days prior on 24 APR 87. Was it in the plea agreement to testify at Fort Smith and what knowledge did you have in your possession about non-order inductees such as Beam, Miles and Butler?

Also did you ever here any probable rumors about who might have hit Tony?

Well yes of course, it was specified in the plea agreement that I testify for the prosecution against The Order at The Order's Sedition trial. BTW, the fact that I was not indicted along with Order members for Sedition, ought to speak volumns about how little I had to do with them. I only spent a matter of minutes in the presence of any Order members, except for Bob Mathews who had been dead for over 4 years when the Sedition trial took place.

The prosecutors had a dozen Order members to testify for the prosecution, plus countless relatives and friends of Order members. The only reason they called me to the stand was to insure I'd never again become a WN leader.

I'm almost certain no questions were asked of me about Richard Butler.

Miles was neck deep in the Order. Mathews and his girlfriend Zillah Craig had not only spent the nite with Miles, Mathews pleaded with Miles to take over as leader of The Order. And Miles communicated with Tom Martinez in order to set up the meeting between myself and Bob Mathews. Which was all I knew about Miles, except for one brief conversation he and I had during his 1985 rally in Michigan, at which I asked him if I could expect any more money. He replied that he didn't know. And that was the extent of my knowledge and testimony regarding Bob Miles.

As for Louis Beam who acted as his own attorney during the Sedition trial, he asked me the following question:

BEAM: Mr Miller, did I ever mention anything to you about Sedition?

MILLER: No, you never did.

BEAM: Thank you, Mr Miller.

Regarding the death of Tony Wydra in late 88 or early 89, I was in prison at the time. I'm convinced the feds murdered him because he knew too much on them, learned during his cooperation with them. He was inside a moving car, and in the company of Cecil Cox and another man whom I did not know, when he was shot in the back. The feds as you know, ruled it an accident.

Did you give any other testimony concerning Beam at the trial?

Hey Joe, here's more insight for ya.

In March 85, it was reported via Associated Press all over the country, and via TV news that Order leader Bruce Pierce had been arrested and had told the feds about Order crimes, including the fact The Order had given Glenn Miller stolen money. While there I was like a sitting duck, leading the largest active White group in the country.

Within the following 2 months, the news media reported that another dozen or so Order members had been arrested, confessed their crimes, made deals with the feds, and became government witnesses. 6 or 7 of whom had witnessed me accepting stolen money and harboring and aiding The Order in Aug 84 during a 5-day period when Mathews held a meeting 9 miles from my house in Benson, NC Day's Inn Motel at which Order members from all over the country converged.

My loyalty to The Order ended there. And I had every right THEN to plea bargain. And if I had plea bargained then in Summer 1985 under those true and factual circumstances, no one would have blamed me for a god damned thing, including and especially my appearance at The Order's sedition trial at which every defendant was acquitted.

And so Joe Snuffy, I ask you what you would have done in my Summer 1985 shoes ??? And what you think Billy Roper, Tom88, or any other WN leader of any other legal, above ground WN leader would have done ??

Probably the same if I had to be honest about it. I hope I am never in that position, nor would I wish it upon anyone else.

Probably the same if I had to be honest about it. I hope I am never in that position, nor would I wish it upon anyone else.

Now that's a honest answer. And you are one in hundreds so far with the guts to answer it. The others evade the question, while rambling their vague, ambiguous, vile goobily goop name callings.

But I'll add this in response to your above post. The thing about it Joe, is that when a man becomes a WN leader of a large, public, political, and active-in-the-streets organization, it becomes necessary to rub elbows personally with many he would not otherwise associate himself with. But in doing so and for all those years I ran the White Patriot Party, I placed myself in the inevitable accompanying and vulnerable positions, that non-leader WNs never do.

As I have stated in earlier postings, I was indicted and convicted of perjury in U.S. District Court in 1992. The government, via the US Attorneys Office and the probation office was requesting 87-108 months, almost a 10 year sentence, and I proceeded to sentencing. Of course, the trial judge, Orinda Evans, rejected all of the government's request for an enhanced sentence. She gave me 2 years probation and community service. However, the government appealed the sentence and the Eleventh Circuit reversed the trial court. On remand, I was sentenced to 28 months. POINT IS: I was willing to serve whatever sentence the court issued instead of making any deals with any entity. I remind all concerned, the average sentence in the United States for perjury is 10 months probation. It's tough in the movement, however, we need to look to people like Doug Sheets, Jack Jackson and Steve Miller who served lenghty sentences and never asked for a damn thing from the government.

As I have stated in earlier postings, I was indicted and convicted of perjury in U.S. District Court in 1992. The government, via the US Attorneys Office and the probation office was requesting 87-108 months, almost a 10 year sentence, and I proceeded to sentencing. Of course, the trial judge, Orinda Evans, rejected all of the government's request for an enhanced sentence. She gave me 2 years probation and community service. However, the government appealed the sentence and the Eleventh Circuit reversed the trial court. On remand, I was sentenced to 28 months. POINT IS: I was willing to serve whatever sentence the court issued instead of making any deals with any entity. I remind all concerned, the average sentence in the United States for perjury is 10 months probation. It's tough in the movement, however, we need to look to people like Doug Sheets, Jack Jackson and Steve Miller who served lenghty sentences and never asked for a damn thing from the government.

I think I know who you are. A long time personal friend of all 3 of the men whose names you mentioned above. Are you Christian Identity like them, as well?

Surely you are not suggesting I had anything to do with Steve Miller going to prison. Steve was convicted and sentenced for conspiracy to commit murder BEFORE, BEFORE, BEFORE I even went underground on 18 Mar 1987.

And are you not aware that Jack Jackson and Doug Sheets both told the feds right after our arrests on 30 Apr 87, that the only reason they went underground with me was because I threatened to do harm to their families if they didn't ??? And they did so before I ever testified at any trial.

Now answer those questions, then ask me anything you so desire. And we'll debate the issue one-on-one. I'll answer your questions, and you'll answer mine. Let's go !!

You attended my July 1986 trial in which I was convicted of "...The Intent to Cause Civil Disorder." Remember ?

Is it true or is it not true that the prosecutors at that trial used evidence against me that was provided to them by Order Rats, which confirmed my association with The Order ? Did not a star witness FBI agent by the name of Manis who was chief investigating agent in charge of investigating Order Crimes testify at my trial against me ? And was he not confirmed by the court as an expert witness on The Order? And did he not testify that "Yes, Glenn Miller was definately a member of The Order." And as a result of his testimony, was I not convicted of "...The Intent to Cause Civil Disorder," and sentenced to prison ?

And finally, did that conviction due to Order rats, not result in the destruction of the White Patriot Party, the largest, most effective, and most active-in-the-streets WN organization in the country ??

Without Order rats, that trial would never even have taken place, and the WPP might still exist today. Do you deny it ???

I don't know any of the details of the charges against you which resulted in your receiving a 28 month prison sentence.

You must admit however, that 28 months is a far cry short of the 200 freakin year sentence I was facing. The following is a quote from a Dec 1987 edition of the Raleigh News & Observer newspaper:

"To obtain Miller's guilty pleas and cooperation, prosecutors agreed not to charge Miller with numerous federal offenses carrying potential sentences of more than 200 years, according to court documents." (end of news report).

Now put yourself in my summer 1985 shoes, and tell me what you'd have done.

Well it's worth saying again that I believe it's a net gain for Whites that you were able to beat the rap, that you inflicted minimum damage with your testimony such as it was, and that hence your return into action on our side is something to be thankful for. The government prosecuters that were foolish enough to bring the trumped up charges of Ft Smith and then lost to their great embarassment, were surely dismayed that you as one of their witnesses did not "deliver the goods." If I were an aquitted defendant I would have breathed many a sigh of relief. I'm sure they remain sore about the whole thing but will they hamstring current progress for the whole because of ongoing animosity? That does not speak well to their current "leadership" such as it is.

Clearly the Order cultists will not agree, but I dont think it's a good thing for Whites to continue to be enthralled with that crew to that level that has been the case for the past almost 20 years which has seen White nationalism slide farther and farther into the edges. When strategies dont work, they need to be questioned, and the cult of the martyr has not worked and so it should be replaced by a more common-sensical strategy more likely to produce real world results.

That is where the focus should rest at this time and not on constant retreads of the same accounts and accusations.

Well it's worth saying again that I believe it's a net gain for Whites that you were able to beat the rap, that you inflicted minimum damage with your testimony such as it was, and that hence your return into action on our side is something to be thankful for. The government prosecuters that were foolish enough to bring the trumped up charges of Ft Smith and then lost to their great embarassment, were surely dismayed that you as one of their witnesses did not "deliver the goods." If I were an aquitted defendant I would have breathed many a sigh of relief. I'm sure they remain sore about the whole thing but will they hamstring current progress for the whole because of ongoing animosity? That does not speak well to their current "leadership" such as it is.

Clearly the Order cultists will not agree, but I dont think it's a good thing for Whites to continue to be enthralled with that crew to that level that has been the case for the past almost 20 years which has seen White nationalism slide farther and farther into the edges. When strategies dont work, they need to be questioned, and the cult of the martyr has not worked and so it should be replaced by a more common-sensical strategy more likely to produce real world results.

That is where the focus should rest at this time and not on constant retreads of the same accounts and accusations.


That is correct A.E. I discussed this at length once with Dr. Pierce. He also felt as though there were too many order cultist that just couldn't seem to get past the fact that the here and now is where we are and what we do in the here and now is the only thing that can be done and what should be focused on. We can't live in the past.........there is to much at stake. We have bigger "fish" to fry...... ;)