This sparked off my interest to write about this because of this thread here (http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=16753)

The swastika is the most powerful pagan sign there is. It gives people a sense of wonder and also makes other people shake in fear. It represents the Aryan spirit and the pagan folk, which is a threat to our enemies. ZOG demonised the swastika although it's a positive sign of good luck that was used in many cultures for centuries. The swastika had a massive subconscious and physical revival last century to its full power and then because of WW2 ZOG has used lies as an excuse to ban it. It would not surprise me if the church was also behind the demonisation of the pagan symbol.

This sparked off my interest to write about this because of this thread here (http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=16753)

The swastika is the most powerful pagan sign there is. It gives people a sense of wonder and also makes other people shake in fear. It represents the Aryan spirit and the pagan folk, which is a threat to our enemies. ZOG demonised the swastika although it's a positive sign of good luck that was used in many cultures for centuries. The swastika had a massive subconscious and physical revival last century to its full power and then because of WW2 ZOG has used lies as an excuse to ban it. It would not surprise me if the church was also behind the demonisation of the pagan symbol.

Naaah. We got all these Germanophiles on this message board and only a few know real German history. The swastika was a German good luck symbol, like the four leaf clover. It was popular with the freikrops after WWI as a good luck symbol.

The swastika was also used as a symbol by German fraternal and German masonic organizations before and after WWI.

Naaah. We got all these Germanophiles on this message board and only a few know real German history. The swastika was a German good luck symbol, like the four leaf clover. It was popular with the freikrops after WWI as a good luck symbol.

The swastika was also used as a symbol by German fraternal and German masonic organizations before and after WWI.

You are right,it was a good luck symbol to the masses but to the initiated it was much more than that,the very symbol of divinity and the solar origins of the Aryan race.The god sign.

The Swastika also represents Thors Hammer.

You are right,it was a good luck symbol to the masses but to the initiated it was much more than that,the very symbol of divinity and the solar origins of the Aryan race.The god sign.

Well said. You have that exactly right.

I have heard others say it has to do with Thors hammer, but I disagree. The later associations with Thor/ Donner's hammer are probably a late nineteenth century confusion.

Thor's hammer is a phallic symbol. Thor as Stormbringer, fertilizes the fields with rain, like sperm. The hammer is reminiscent of a lightening bolt (viz Zeus) or a trident (viz Poseidon) or a spear (viz Wotan) which is also naturally associated with storms, rain, and the active element of male fertility.

But the solar symbol itself is somewhat different, it is of central importance, and it represents one of the most fundamental differentiations of creation-- light and darkness. The hammer, as a phallic symbol, represents a different fundamental difference, male and female.

Well said. You have that exactly right.

I have heard others say it has to do with Thors hammer, but I disagree. The later associations with Thor/ Donner's hammer are probably a late nineteenth century confusion.

Thor's hammer is a phallic symbol. Thor as Stormbringer, fertilizes the fields with rain, like sperm. The hammer is reminiscent of a lightening bolt (viz Zeus) or a trident (viz Poseidon) or a spear (viz Wotan) which is also naturally associated with storms, rain, and the active element of male fertility.

But the solar symbol itself is somewhat different, it is of central importance, and it represents one of the most fundamental differentiations of creation-- light and darkness. The hammer, as a phallic symbol, represents a different fundamental difference, male and female.

Itz very possible that the swastika's use in Germany, came from 19th German fraternal of masonic organizations who borrowed it from the American indian lore.

Don't forget the most popular German author in the 19th century was Karl May who wrote cowboy and indian stories---complete with German cowboys. Hitler was a big fan of Karl May and he read Karl May's westerns in the trenches during WWI. :rolleyes:

Too bad there are no really good American language translations of Karl May's books.

This sparked off my interest to write about this because of this thread here (http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=16753)

The swastika is the most powerful pagan sign there is. It gives people a sense of wonder and also makes other people shake in fear. It represents the Aryan spirit and the pagan folk, which is a threat to our enemies. ZOG demonised the swastika although it's a positive sign of good luck that was used in many cultures for centuries. The swastika had a massive subconscious and physical revival last century to its full power and then because of WW2 ZOG has used lies as an excuse to ban it.
You can read the original this was plagiarized from here.
http://www.heretical.com/miscella/glrswast.html
This used to be a link in my “In Hoc Signo Vinces” sig
Notice it was written by the very Christian George Lincoln Rockwell.



It would not surprise me if the church was also behind the demonisation of the pagan symbol.
You are absolutely correct here we should be attacking white Christians instead of those poor persecuted innocent Jews. :rolleyes:

The swastika was introduced to Germany in modern times by Madam Helena Blavatsky. She thought it was specifically Aryan and she was wrong. It was a universal ancient symbol of the sun and good fortune and has been used to decorate Christian shrines, Hindu temples and Navaho rugs.

I own a Navaho rug with a row of swastikas on it, and I've been reliably informed that it would be illegal to own it in Germany where all swastikas are forbidden.

The Swastika also represents Thors Hammer.

It does but it is older than Thor`s Hammer and is found in non-Germanic Aryan cultures too.

Well said. You have that exactly right.

Thank you. :)

I have heard others say it has to do with Thors hammer, but I disagree. The later associations with Thor/ Donner's hammer are probably a late nineteenth century confusion.

There is evidence going back to the Viking Age and earlier of the swastika appearing on stone work in relation to images of the god Thor.Therefore there is some argument to justify the linkage.

Itz very possible that the swastika's use in Germany, came from 19th German fraternal of masonic organizations who borrowed it from the American indian lore.

There is no evidence that Germans "borrowed" the swastika from anywhere.The symbol appears on stone work,megaliths,carvings and pottery going back at least to the Bronze Age in Europe.It was merely revived in late 19th century Germany-Austria.It is more likely that the swastika was given to the native Americans as a result of contact with Norsemen and Celts and don`t forget that some of those American tribes have Aryan antecedents.

Don't forget the most popular German author in the 19th century was Karl May who wrote cowboy and indian stories---complete with German cowboys. Hitler was a big fan of Karl May and he read Karl May's westerns in the trenches during WWI.

Too bad there are no really good American language translations of Karl May's books.[/QUOTE]

"American language" translations? :confused:

The swastika was introduced to Germany in modern times by Madam Helena Blavatsky. She thought it was specifically Aryan and she was wrong. It was a universal ancient symbol of the sun and good fortune and has been used to decorate Christian shrines, Hindu temples and Navaho rugs.

Incorrect.Blavatsky merely helped to popularise the symbol.It already existed in Europe for thousands of years.It is to be found in all ancient Aryan cultures.Don`t forget that Hinduism is an Aryan religion and it is through this Aryan religion that the swastika appeared in the Indus valley.As far as xtian shrines are concerned xtianity is a latecomer.European heathens already used this symbol thousands of years before.

I own a Navaho rug with a row of swastikas on it, and I've been reliably informed that it would be illegal to own it in Germany where all swastikas are forbidden.[/QUOTE]

I envy you:you are fortunate to have that and you must always hang on to it.It would be illegal to display the swastika publicly in Germany except for certain historical exceptions but not necessarily an offence to own one.

You can read the original this was plagiarized from here.
http://www.heretical.com/miscella/glrswast.html
This used to be a link in my “In Hoc Signo Vinces” sig
Notice it was written by the very Christian George Lincoln Rockwell.

What on earth are you talking about? What is the relevance of this link? :confused:



You are absolutely correct here we should be attacking white Christians instead of those poor persecuted innocent Jews. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]


Are you denying that the church has assisted in the suppression of our most holy symbol along with its older brother in faith,the Jew?

The swastika (Sanskrit "good luck" or "well-being", literally "it is good"). The name and first use of the swastika was first mentioned in the Vedas, the holy texts of Hinduism. However, while its name is Vedic, it appears in art and design throughout human history, symbolising many different things; such as luck, Brahma, the Hindu concept of samsara, or Surya (the sun).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

Alternative names (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Alternative_names)
It might also be called a hooked cross, as it is in Dutch (hakenkruis), German (Hakenkreuz), Finnish (hakaristi), Norwegian (Hakekors) and Italian (croce uncinata). The symbol has also been known as the "Black Spider" to various peoples in middle and western Europe.
http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/tn-ssahnenerbebadge01.jpg

Sun wheel (German Sonnenrad), a name also used as a synonym for the Sun Cross (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_cross).
http://snowstones.com/Swan/images/sym-odin.gif Its simplest form of the sun cross is a cross inscribed within a circle. This form is often called Odin's cross in North-West Europe.

Because of their association with Christianity, Westernness, and old Aryan traditions – the sun cross and the derived Celtic cross have been co-opted by neo-Nazi and White Power movements. See: the Celtic cross as a political symbol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_cross#Political_symbol).

In 1935 the Nuremberg Laws made the swastika the official symbol of National Socialist Germany. The Swastika did NOT originate as a Nazi symbol. SWASTIKA is derived from the Sanskrit word: SVASTIKAH, which means 'being fortunate'.
http://www.crystalinks.com/swastikared.gif
The swastika is an ancient symbol that has been used for over 3,000 years. (That even predates the ancient Egyptian symbol, the Ankh!) Artifacts such as pottery and coins from ancient Troy show that the swastika was a commonly used symbol as far back as 1000 BCE.


http://www.crystalinks.com/swastikaluck.gif

http://www.crystalinks.com/swastika.html

Also called fylfot, gammaticon, and tetraskelion.

Alternative names (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Alternative_names)
It might also be called a hooked cross, as it is in Dutch (hakenkruis), German (Hakenkreuz), Finnish (hakaristi), Norwegian (Hakekors) and Italian (croce uncinata). The symbol has also been known as the "Black Spider" to various peoples in middle and western Europe.


Sun wheel (German Sonnenrad), a name also used as a synonym for the Sun Cross (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_cross).

Because of their association with Christianity, Westernness, and old Aryan traditions – the sun cross and the derived Celtic cross have been co-opted by neo-Nazi and White Power movements. See: the Celtic cross as a political symbol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_cross#Political_symbol).

But there is more than that in the instinctive dislike we all feel for them, to the extent we are conscious of what we stand for. ... The Christian Weltanschauung itself is ... an enemy of National Socialism. It is of no use trying to hide the fact in order "not to frighten" people: one cannot be at the same time a Nazi and a Christian of any description. ... Such people are either bad Christians or bad Nazis, or both; sincere, but illogical people, deceiving themselves ....

One only had to think five minutes to realise that a doctrine centered around race and personality cannot possibly go hand in hand with a teaching that proclaims all human souls equally precious in the eyes of a God who hates pride. The Churches would perhaps, one day, contemplate the possibility of compromising with us if they judged it expedient. But there can be no compromise whatsoever between Christianity ... and the Philosophy of the Swastika.

If we are to triumph in the end, than Christianity must go ... Christianity must go so that the Nordic soul, which it crushed over a thousand years ago, might live and thrive once more in the strength and pride of its renewed youth; so that Germany, and all the countries in which the Aryan blood is still alive, might evolve their own religious consciousness -- the consciousness they would have had if Rome and Jerusalem had not interfered with them.

[Savitri Devi,"Gold in the Furnace"]

The Nazi swastika is usually depicted at 45° to the horizontal. Two versions of the Nazi swastika commonly occur, one with outer bars pointed counter-clockwise, and the mirror image with outer bars pointed clockwise. Although the Nazis do not appear to have made a symbological distinction between the two, the latter is more common in their usage.

The use of the swastika was associated by Nazi theorists with their theories of Aryan cultural descent of the German people.
http://flagspot.net/images/d/de-1933.gifhttp://www.intelinet.org/swastika/swast_flag.gif
The Nazi flag was red, with a black sinistroverse swastika, most of the times appearing lying on an angle, to produce an even more dynamic illusion of circular movement.


Some more interesting Swastika history here:
http://www.intelinet.org/swastika/swascont.htm

Incorrect.Blavatsky merely helped to popularise the symbol.It already existed in Europe for thousands of years.It is to be found in all ancient Aryan cultures...

My imprecision. I should have said Blavatsky introduced the symbol to German esoteric societies in her book, The Secret Doctrine, wherein she explains mythical Aryan cosmology and is actually blamed for Nationalist Socialism in a new American-released DVD called "The Occult Roots of Hitler's Germany."

Some amazin' "facts" on the History Channel over here!

I envy you:you are fortunate to have that and you must always hang on to it.It would be illegal to display the swastika publicly in Germany except for certain historical exceptions but not necessarily an offence to own one.

Does everyone know what a can of worms mentioning Navaho rugs can start?

Wilhelm Teudt (with Himmler's approval) was the most energetic proponant of what is now called diffusionism. In Teutd's view all culture emanated from Aryans and whenever you see traces of high culture elsewhere in the world, it is the footprint of ancient Aryan expansion and exploration.

So when Aryans built cities in ancient North America, they left the swastika behind. That's how it ended up on my rug.

It's also totally consistant with the folklore of ancient North America. Every one of the major Indian nations had stories of ancient White Gods. Even Central and South America and the Pacific Islands have legends of the White Gods.

The Aztecs could probably have beaten Hernando Cortez, but Montezuma believed they were the White Gods returning. He was afraid.

Wilhelm Teudt is almost forgotten now. He was considered a lunatic by the allies for going so far as to say that the Aryans built the Great Pyramid. Mad! Crazy!

Except when an English scholar named Albert Watkins went over Teudt's research and checked on them, he found out Teudt had based everything he wrote on solid and unimpeachable scholarship.

The swastika is an ancient symbol that has been used for over 3,000 years. (That even predates the ancient Egyptian symbol, the Ankh!)

The ankh is a word. (Means "life", "mirror" among other things; most hieroglyphs had more than one meaning.) Egyptian writing is well over 5000 years old and it's uncertain where it came from. Uncertain for most of us anyway.

Wilhelm Teudt was certain it came from the White Gods.:)

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/ahnenerbehead01.jpg The Ahnenerbe organization of the SS invented the technique of study and research groups made up of researchers coming from different intellectual disciplines, but all working on a common theme. This method is still used today, with success in practically all universities.

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/ahnenerbeheadleft.jpg Dr. Wilhelm Teudt, a former priest, who had a passion for German culture and was famous for his research and theses, joined the NSDAP in 1933. He also entered the Ahnenerbe-SS and became director of the Department of the Externsteine and was concerned with rich excavations of the rocks and cliffs in the Teutoberg Forest where the German tribesmen of Arminus crushed the Roman legions of General Varus in the year 9 of our era. This place, sacred in German history, was a repository of the culture of the prehistoric age. Dr. Teudt made it a territory of extreme ideological interest for the SS where none but members of the society had the right to carry out excavations. A further objective of this prehistoric research was to gather up the largest amount of information on the oldest Germanic and Teutonic traditions; the SS Ehrenring with death's head, for example. Symbolic runes employed were some of the fruits of this research. The initial purpose, however, was to rediscover and revive the past to the point that in doing so the future would emerge more beautiful. It must be kept fervently in mind that all of us live in the present, dream of the future, but our only learning must come from the past so long as that learning is directed and managed, whereby we study all cultures, but exalt our own glorious past, only then will we take on the mantel of racial greatness that we justly deserve.

The 50 or so departments of the Ahnenerbe ranged from expeditions to Tibet and taking over prehistory departments of schools and museums; astronomical study; publishing many books and brochures, including the Deutsches Ahnenerbe, the Nordland, the Germanien; the establishment of the publishing house of Ahnenerbe Stiftung in Berlin in 1939; excavations at Viking sites; first experiments in the anticancer campaign; excavations in Greece, Poland, Slovakia; archaeological research in the Caucasians in 1942; and the protection of prehistoric tombs and sites in southern Russia in 1942.

The research arms of this organization reached far and wide across Europe and Asia. The work of its cultural commission had results that are recognized as being far beyond its time. It was a definite positive factor in the SS and National Socialism. Yes, there were studies in occult sciences, but as research only! The society was no "Merlin party" as is constantly indicated in the books and articles by trash diggers such as Ravenscroft in his book,The Spear of Destiny.

What on earth are you talking about? What is the relevance of this link? :confused:

Had you read the link you would have noticed that in the section titles the swastika is the influence almost word for word of the original post.

How that is confusing to anyone is beyond me. Read the link nest time before you reply.



Are you denying that the church has assisted in the suppression of our most holy symbol along with its older brother in faith,the Jew?
Yes now I have a question for you. You said you would put me on ignore, what is the hold up? :confused:

My imprecision. I should have said Blavatsky introduced the symbol to German esoteric societies in her book, The Secret Doctrine, wherein she explains mythical Aryan cosmology and is actually blamed for Nationalist Socialism in a new American-released DVD called "The Occult Roots of Hitler's Germany."

Franz I have the whole series on VHS.There are 4 parts altogether on Hitler,Himmler,the swastika and the SS.Great series and I like Patrick Allan`s gravelly voice doing the narration.It is an excellent series and a great introduction to Aryan mysticism.I have owned the set for about 10 years.It is available in 4 seperate parts on DVD available through Amazon[as everything is]. :D


Some amazin' "facts" on the History Channel over here!



Does everyone know what a can of worms mentioning Navaho rugs can start?

Wilhelm Teudt (with Himmler's approval) was the most energetic proponant of what is now called diffusionism. In Teutd's view all culture emanated from Aryans and whenever you see traces of high culture elsewhere in the world, it is the footprint of ancient Aryan expansion and exploration.

I accept that theory as well.

So when Aryans built cities in ancient North America, they left the swastika behind. That's how it ended up on my rug.

Very true and that rug sounds beautiful.Are you able to upload any pictures of it on VNN?Love to see it. :)

It's also totally consistant with the folklore of ancient North America. Every one of the major Indian nations had stories of ancient White Gods. Even Central and South America and the Pacific Islands have legends of the White Gods.

Agreed.

The Aztecs could probably have beaten Hernando Cortez, but Montezuma believed they were the White Gods returning. He was afraid.

Agreed.

Wilhelm Teudt is almost forgotten now. He was considered a lunatic by the allies for going so far as to say that the Aryans built the Great Pyramid. Mad! Crazy!

I am not familiar with Teudt.Anything in print that you recommend?

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/tn-ssahnenerbering02.jpg The Ahnenerbe organization of the SS invented the technique of study and research groups made up of researchers coming from different intellectual disciplines, but all working on a common theme. This method is still used today, with success in practically all universities.

http://www.germaniainternational.com/images/ahnenerbeheadleft.jpg Dr. Wilhelm Teudt, a former priest, who had a passion for German culture and was famous for his research and theses, joined the NSDAP in 1933. He also entered the Ahnenerbe-SS and became director of the Department of the Externsteine and was concerned with rich excavations of the rocks and cliffs in the Teutoberg Forest where the German tribesmen of Arminus crushed the Roman legions of General Varus in the year 9 of our era. This place, sacred in German history, was a repository of the culture of the prehistoric age. Dr. Teudt made it a territory of extreme ideological interest for the SS where none but members of the society had the right to carry out excavations. A further objective of this prehistoric research was to gather up the largest amount of information on the oldest Germanic and Teutonic traditions; the SS Ehrenring with death's head, for example. Symbolic runes employed were some of the fruits of this research. The initial purpose, however, was to rediscover and revive the past to the point that in doing so the future would emerge more beautiful. It must be kept fervently in mind that all of us live in the present, dream of the future, but our only learning must come from the past so long as that learning is directed and managed, whereby we study all cultures, but exalt our own glorious past, only then will we take on the mantel of racial greatness that we justly deserve.

The 50 or so departments of the Ahnenerbe ranged from expeditions to Tibet and taking over prehistory departments of schools and museums; astronomical study; publishing many books and brochures, including the Deutsches Ahnenerbe, the Nordland, the Germanien; the establishment of the publishing house of Ahnenerbe Stiftung in Berlin in 1939; excavations at Viking sites; first experiments in the anticancer campaign; excavations in Greece, Poland, Slovakia; archaeological research in the Caucasians in 1942; and the protection of prehistoric tombs and sites in southern Russia in 1942.

The research arms of this organization reached far and wide across Europe and Asia. The work of its cultural commission had results that are recognized as being far beyond its time. It was a definite positive factor in the SS and National Socialism. Yes, there were studies in occult sciences, but as research only! The society was no "Merlin party" as is constantly indicated in the books and articles by trash diggers such as Ravenscroft in his book,The Spear of Destiny.


Fascinating post.Just to clarify,the Ehrenring was the product of Karl Maria Wiligut.I recommend that you read "Secret King.Karl Maria Wiligut.Himmler`s Lord of the Runes" by Stephen Edred Flowers,Ph.D.It is an excellent compilation of his work and a biography of the great man.

The Secret King: Karl Maria Wiligut, Himmler's Lord of the Runes
by Stephen Flowers,
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1885972210/qid=1111955745/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/002-9574757-4091207?

About the Author
Stephen E. Flowers studied Germanic and Celtic philology at the University of Texas and in Göttingen, West Germany. He received his Ph.D. in 1984 in Germanic Languages and Medieval Studies. His dissertation was published in book form as Runes and Magic (Peter Lang, 1984). Other books by Dr. Flowers include Fire & Ice (Llewellyn, 1990) and Lords of the Left-Hand Path (Rûna-Raven, 1997). He has also translated and edited The Secret of the Runes by Guido von List (Destiny, 1988) and the Icelandic grimoire The Galdrabók (Weiser, 1989). He is presently the director of the Woodharrow Institute for Germanic and Runic Studies in Texas.

There is much speculation about the “occult roots” of National Socialism, yet little concrete documentation has ever been uncovered. Of the materials that do exist, almost nothing has been translated into English--until now. This book, ten years in the making, contains the collected occult writings of Karl Maria Wiligut, the runic initiate and shadowy “Secret King” of Germany. His works were originally published in the rare ariosophical journals Hag All All Hag and Hagal. Heinrich Himmler --the leader of the SS and possibly the most powerful figure in the Third Reich-- commissioned Wiligut to write private reports on Runes, secret Germanic traditions, and prehistory. It was through this position of influence that Wiligut came to be known after his death as “Himmler’s Rasputin.” Adeptly translated by Germanic history expert Dr. Stephen E. Flowers and edited by Michael Moynihan, these writings allow a glimpse into the strange magical world that enchanted high-ranking officials of Nazi Germany. For anyone fascinated about the role occultism played in the Third Reich, here is the evidence. Never before have source documents of this nature been made available to the English-speaking world!

One of the best threads this forum has generated in some time.

One thing to add: also called the gammadion, because it looks like an arrangement of four gammas. Gamma is a Greek letter.

I have a book on graphic design that observes that the border design known as "Greek Key" is reminiscent of interlocking gammas and hence the swastika.

Have you all heard of the St Brigid's cross? A popular item sold by Celtic or Irish jewelry and gift vendors. St Brigid wove a cross out of reeds into a symbol that is a variation on the swastika-- see here

http://www.iol.ie/~scphadr/makecross.html

thus carrying on the clever practice of Christian proselytizers of assimilating native faith symbols and empasizing the common solar themes between heathen lore and Christianity.

Ironically, the rose window in the Roman Catholic church I go to has a swastika-like design in its center. A good focal point for meditation.

Here is an amazing find gentlemen, which I uncovered when I was looking for a suitable link for my previous post.

Basque "lauburu"

http://www.bcbasque.com/HTMLfiles/lauburu.htm

Let me point out that Basque is the only surviving non-Aryan language of indigenous Europeans. Or as you hear today, "non-Indo-European" language. That in itself makes the Basque fascinating-- they are the living remnant of the pre-Aryan peoples such as the Etruscans of Italy or the Pelasgians of Greece.

Listen to this name for the Basque nationalist action group: "EUZKADZI TA ASKATASUNA" -- a strange tongue with an intriguing sound!

THe only other non-Aryan languages spoken in Europe are Finnish and Hungarian, which are both Asiatic in origin and are called members of the "Finno Ughric" language family.

The Basque language however, is unrelated to any other spoken language!

Anyhow, click the link for a look at this interesting variation on the swastika and the commentary. I will upload a graphic when I get the chance.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/90px-17-square_swastika.ant.png
A swastika composed of 17 squares in a 5x5 grid

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One of the symbols the Aryans had was the sunwheel, representing the sun and originally meaning "well being". Originally a letter of the ancient Indo-European Sanskrit language, this emblem was carried by Celts, Germans and Slavs throughout their wanderings, with the Celtish cross later incorporated into Christian symbolism. This sign was developed into the sign known today as the swastika and taken up into the Indo-Aryan's religion, from where it was transported over into the Hindu religion, which sprang from a corruption of the Indo-Aryans' beliefs. This is the reason why the swastika can be seen to this day in Hindu temples.

As an enduring symbol of the Indo-European peoples where ever they went, the swastika is found in all the lands where these people settled. Some examples:

1. The Swastika in India:
The swastika can be seen on a carving called an ayagaptha, in Mathura, India. The emblem Is one of the last remains of the tribe of Nordic Indo-Europeans - who called themselves Aryans - who invaded India. In that land, they were eventually absorbed into the overwhelming Nonwhite mass, creating the caste system still present in that country to this day.

2. The Swastika in Classical Greece:
It can be seen as a decoration on the clothing of a picture of Athene, the Goddess of Wisdom, the arts and war - and also patron of the city of Athens.

3. The Swastika in Classical Rome:
The Indo-European origins of the Romans - in particular the Latini tribe - are apparent through their liberal use of the swastika as an emblem. Here the swastika can be seen upon the Ara Pacis Augustae: the altar built to commemorate the peace established by Augustus, consecrated 4 July 13 BC. The swastika can also be seen in a virtually identical format in many Classical Greek designs: hence it is often called a "Greek key" pattern. It is in reality a swastika, evidence of the original Indo-European roots of the Classical civilizations.


4. The Swastika in the Viking era

The Indo-European origins of the Vikings is illustrated by this detail from a very well preserved Viking ship uncovered by archeologists in Scandinavia, known as the Osberg ship, circa 800 AD. A handle mount on a bucket found in the ship depicts a figure carrying a shield with four swastika sun emblems in its corners. The fact that the swastika appears as a symbol from Scandinavia to Italy to India indicates precisely how far the Indo-European influence was felt.

http://www.geocities.com/reginheim/symbols/symbtrefot.gif
Trefot: the Trefot (Germanic: "three-feet") or Triskelion (Celtic) is a moon symbol and its three feet symbolize the three stages of the moon.
It was associated with Wodan and it may be possible that it was also a variation of the Walknot or the Sunwheel.
There are several versions of this symbol ranging from a hooked cross to a swirling one.

THe only other non-Aryan languages spoken in Europe are Finnish and Hungarian, which are both Asiatic in origin and are called members of the "Finno Ughric" language family...

I don't know about Finnish (it is said to even share some words with Korean) but with Hungarian there is a controversy.

For years without anyone knowing it scholars have built an impressive case that Hungarian is the surviving remnant of the ancient Sumerian language. Before you laugh consider that Hungarian shares only 4-5 percent of the Finn-Ugar languages but an astonishing 30%-plus with old Sumer's tongue.

The reason why nobody knew it is that it was illegal for Hungarians to study this issue during their years in the Workers Paradise. The key text in this field is The Sumerian Wonder by Francisco Jos Badiny, which had to be published in Argentina when it came out in 1974. Soviets refused to sanction research for this and I don't know why.

Badiny's book is strictly for specialists and he even shows the connection between Sumerian writing and the much-later Hungarian runes. This is solid, but not at all well known. I first heard about it from one of David Icke's books and it really irritated me to get something new from Mister Lizard.

I started a thread last year with an online book about this, when I get time I'll see if it's still around.

http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/hwr5d_files/hitswas.jpeg * http://www.nazi.org/nazi/images/trees_and_symbols_and_soldiers.jpg

I don't know about Finnish (it is said to even share some words with Korean) but with Hungarian there is a controversy.

For years without anyone knowing it scholars have built an impressive case that Hungarian is the surviving remnant of the ancient Sumerian language. Before you laugh consider that Hungarian shares only 4-5 percent of the Finn-Ugar languages but an astonishing 30%-plus with old Sumer's tongue.

The reason why nobody knew it is that it was illegal for Hungarians to study this issue during their years in the Workers Paradise. The key text in this field is The Sumerian Wonder by Francisco Jos Badiny, which had to be published in Argentina when it came out in 1974. Soviets refused to sanction research for this and I don't know why.

Badiny's book is strictly for specialists and he even shows the connection between Sumerian writing and the much-later Hungarian runes. This is solid, but not at all well known. I first heard about it from one of David Icke's books and it really irritated me to get something new from Mister Lizard.

I started a thread last year with an online book about this, when I get time I'll see if it's still around.

Wow, I'd never heard that one.

When I was little I read a book called "the White Stag" about Atilla. Pretty good book for a ten year old. I just bought it for my new reader. It's over his head now but in a few years maybe. Apparently it expands upon certain Magyar legends about their tribal origins. It has a definite Aryan tone and color to it.

The link in the first post is the Sarmatian-Hungarian connection to the Grail legend. There are only a few references to Sumer here. There was an online book that focused on the Sumer-Magyar language, I'm sure it'll turn up.


http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=8613&highlight=hungary

http://www.swastika-info.com/images/startbild2.jpg Swastika, sunwheel, Lauburu, swastika or also cross of the cosmos, The SWASTIKA (or Fylfot) is one of the oldest symbols still existing in history. It is a sacred and prehistoric symbol that predates all formal religions known to humankind.
http://www.swastika-info.com/

Luck, life, love and light, the 4 L's are based on the Roman alphabet where as in Greek use it is 4 G's or Gammas, and the Hebrew interpret it as D's Daleths.

I would not place the meaning of the Swastika as being for use as Luck, Life, Love, and Light because it is only able to be interpreted that way by the Roman alphabet, a few questionable interpretations of asian art work. This meaning is most likely put forward by the Irish who use it as a Good luck charm along with the horse shoe and other superstitions.

The post who identified the Swastika as the oldest symbol of Aryans is the most correct I saw. Some beliefs even hold that it is a sort of map dating back to Atlantis as it's mythology counts 4 streams coming from a central source eminating from the center. This would tie it to the earlier European revival of Germanic occultism and such where Thule/Atlantis were incorporated into the philosophies.

The use of the Swastika should be known as the true symbol of Aryans as it is the oldest form used for that purpose.

The Thors Hammer may be identified as the same symbol known as Fylfot but the sign used to identify Thors Hammer in modern use is not really the true meaning. The Thors Hammer sign in use today is of the Tau Cross which is a capitol T. The Tau cross or T is inverted in modern paganism such as Asatru and that itself is a sure sign it is faulty. The inverted cross is not even related to ancient paganist practices at all. Even if there are Saturn.satanist based leanings of the Asatru groups they are faulty when claiming a Thors Hammer sign is an inverted cross of any type. It's just plain wrong.

Even still the Tau cross is named for it's resemblance to the Greek letter which it's named for. Others call it the St. Anthonys cross for the egyptian St Anthony. It was also used by Mithraism the religion of the Roman soldiers which was turned into Christianity. In practice the T was placed upon the heads of initiates of Mithraism and that may be part of why it was incorporated into christianity. The Tau cross is related to Thor only in explanations based on post christian tiems in Europe. It's a corruption not a restoration of any ancient truths and has no historical basis what so ever.

The use of the Tau cross as a phallic symbol also comes from this practice in Mithraism and is written about in a book by CW King titled Early Christian Numismatics. There is no basis to identify Thor or his hammer Mjollnir with a phallic symbol as that is more in alignment with fertility rites by Frey whose symbol was an erect penis, that's phallic.

N-I-C-E post. I thought Mithraism coexisted with early christianity. Your statement bears examination. I like your take, better. Both stories share many similarities. But almost all remnants of Mithraism have been wiped away. Which is exactly what I'd expect to find if your timeline is right.
Has anyone seen a copy of the book by Thomas Wilson, "The Swastika, World's Oldest Symbol and It's Migrations..."? Is it a waste of money, or a good reference?

Fascinating post.Just to clarify,the Ehrenring was the product of Karl Maria Wiligut.I recommend that you read "Secret King.Karl Maria Wiligut.Himmler`s Lord of the Runes" by Stephen Edred Flowers,Ph.D.It is an excellent compilation of his work and a biography of the great man.

Stephen Flowers is an Asatruar acc to Gardel's book Gods of the Blood, and a professor at a university in Texas.

THe only other non-Aryan languages spoken in Europe are Finnish and Hungarian, which are both Asiatic in origin and are called members of the "Finno Ughric" language family.IIRC, Finno-Ugric also includes Estonian and Lappish, so that's two more spoken in Europe.

The connection of Hungarian to Sumerian isn't accepted by linguists due to lack of evidence, AFAIK, or anyway it's a "controversial" theory. I don't know nearly enough about linguistics to venture an opinion.

The connection of Hungarian to Sumerian isn't accepted by linguists due to lack of evidence, AFAIK, or anyway it's a "controversial" theory. I don't know nearly enough about linguistics to venture an opinion.

Ditto. The Sumerian Wonder contains archaeological references too but it remains theory not fact. Actually the best part of the book concerns the link between the Old Magyars and the Scythians, which actually seems likely to me. Aside from that more work needs to be done before any of it is proven.

I'm sorry if this is going off topic a little, but mention of the Tau cross reminded me of Greek numerology, (Tau having the value of 300 in their system). There is a book:

The Greek Qabalah: Alphabetical Mysticism and Numerology in the Ancient World (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1578631106/sr=8-1/qid=1142301374/ref=sr_1_1/002-3541739-4491230?%5Fencoding=UTF8)

which covers it a little but you can also read things concerning Pythagoras, or essays such as Plutarch's On the 'E' at Delphi (http://penelope.uchicago.edu/misctracts/plutarchE.html).

Now consider the nature of the jews and their people's mathematical achievements before the modern age, and decide for yourself, mingling with the Greeks in places like Alexandria, from where the jews got this part of their "Qabalah". I think you know what I am saying.

Time to start taking back what is ours and start denying the jews squatting rights.

This sparked off my interest to write about this because of this thread here (http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=16753)

The swastika is the most powerful pagan sign there is. It gives people a sense of wonder and also makes other people shake in fear. .

Agreed.

It can make the cowed and passive herd, the unthinking and the moronic, collectively crap themselves with fear at its sight.

It's not the symbol of Tor (Thor) but of Oden (Odin, Wotan), the allseeing father of gods and mankind. It was picked up as sign for german/germanic nationalists in the 1910's because of its nordic/pagan/christian symbolism and can be found in any historical culture all over the world BUT the jewish.

It's not the symbol of Tor (Thor) but of Oden (Odin, Wotan), the allseeing father of gods and mankind. It was picked up as sign for german/germanic nationalists in the 1910's because of its nordic/pagan/christian symbolism and can be found in any historical culture all over the world BUT the jewish.

The swastika is a `christian symbol`? Please explain!
Yes the swastika can be `found in any historical culture` but I would add whereever the Aryan tread.
Please also explain to us why you regard it as not the symbol of Thor but of Odin!

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The swastika is the most powerful pagan sign there is. It gives people a sense of wonder and also makes other people shake in fear. It represents the Aryan spirit and the pagan folk, which is a threat to our enemies.

The Swastika was first used in Europe at 6,500 B.C. by the Slavic culture called Vinca.

http://static4.bareka.com/photos/medium/1153271/vinca-civilisation-archeological-site.jpg

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/1153271

The very heart and soul, the beginning of European art and culture is associated with the Swastika.

The first writing of Mankind had the Swastika in it's alphabet.

http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/swastika/history.html

Civilization began with the Swastika.
What kind of Music did they Rave to?

We WN's got a whole cultural Revolution coming down the pike Jewboy.