My grandfather, now that he is retired from a lifetime of honest work, now has many hobbies. One of them being genealogy. He has found some very interesting things about my family. Most of them are positive. My ancestors came from Bohemia during the early 19th century. My direct line goes back to a soldier who died in combat during the war between the states(an Alabama regiment, to be exact.) We didn't mix breed, with one exception. It goes back five generations(on my mother's side,) but I am part savage(Coushatta Indian.) I was taught good values my whole life, and about the danger of mixing races. I bear no resemblance to the formerly indigenous. Am I out of the fold for this?

My grandfather, now that he is retired from a lifetime of honest work, now has many hobbies. One of them being genealogy. He has found some very interesting things about my family. Most of them are positive. My ancestors came from Bohemia during the early 19th century. My direct line goes back to a soldier who died in combat during the war between the states(an Alabama regiment, to be exact.) We didn't mix breed, with one exception. It goes back five generations(on my mother's side,) but I am part savage(Coushatta Indian.) I was taught good values my whole life, and about the danger of mixing races. I bear no resemblance to the formerly indigenous. Am I out of the fold for this?
I gather that you are pro-Christian. That will be where the problem comes in here not your racial makeup.

My grandfather, now that he is retired from a lifetime of honest work, now has many hobbies. One of them being genealogy. He has found some very interesting things about my family. Most of them are positive. My ancestors came from Bohemia during the early 19th century. My direct line goes back to a soldier who died in combat during the war between the states(an Alabama regiment, to be exact.) We didn't mix breed, with one exception. It goes back five generations(on my mother's side,) but I am part savage(Coushatta Indian.) I was taught good values my whole life, and about the danger of mixing races. I bear no resemblance to the formerly indigenous. Am I out of the fold for this?

How the hell can you know who slept with who, 5 generations ago?

And if I suspected there might be a gook (which is what Indians are) in my bloodline, I sure as hell wouldn't blab it in cyber space.

Be a White man. Then after we take power, we'll sort out all the "confusions".

Now, watch the Intrepid-Kike-A-Like dividers converge on this thread like ticks on a dog.

The rule of the Old South was that, if you were 1/16 of another race, and pretty much acted White, you were considered a White person. I think thats a pretty good rule.

Thats how I feel, I'm not sure about the others. Appreciate the honesty, too.

My grandfather, now that he is retired from a lifetime of honest work, now has many hobbies. One of them being genealogy. He has found some very interesting things about my family. Most of them are positive. My ancestors came from Bohemia during the early 19th century. My direct line goes back to a soldier who died in combat during the war between the states(an Alabama regiment, to be exact.) We didn't mix breed, with one exception. It goes back five generations(on my mother's side,) but I am part savage(Coushatta Indian.) I was taught good values my whole life, and about the danger of mixing races. I bear no resemblance to the formerly indigenous. Am I out of the fold for this?

Something else to keep in mind is that if you go back more than one generation, you really have no idea what the true percentage or fraction is. A lot of people miss this. My dad's a geneaology nut and I had to explain this to him for about 10 minutes before he got it lol, he should have been first to know.

Even if you have perfect proof of some distant ancestor being a mongoloid, you have no idea how many of your genes came from them.

Half of your genes are from mom, half are from dad. Beyond that, it's a crapshoot. From any given grandparent, 25% is the *highest possible* amount. It's extremely unlikely that you got a full quarter of your grandpa's genes. It's even less likely that you got 12.5% of a great grandfather's. And so on.

As a general rule you can assume that it becomes, with each generation back, exponentially less likely that you got a full contribution from a given ancestor, and exponentially more likely that you got nothing from him at all.

There would be some kinks in this if you tried to represent it mathematically. Dominant/recessive genes and whatnot. Plus there's surely some other variables we don't know about yet. Confusing, itz... But fun.

Even more fun to wrap your mind around is how genes might recombine at the bottom of the tree. You might end up being more English, or German, or Dutch etc than were either of your parents.

Or, and I know it's next to impossible, but you could literally be a reincarnation or yourself reincarnated some day. Maybe "recombined" would be a better term.

My grandfather, now that he is retired from a lifetime of honest work, now has many hobbies. One of them being genealogy. He has found some very interesting things about my family. Most of them are positive. My ancestors came from Bohemia during the early 19th century. My direct line goes back to a soldier who died in combat during the war between the states(an Alabama regiment, to be exact.) We didn't mix breed, with one exception. It goes back five generations(on my mother's side,) but I am part savage(Coushatta Indian.) I was taught good values my whole life, and about the danger of mixing races. I bear no resemblance to the formerly indigenous. Am I out of the fold for this?

Dont worry.Even if it is true we are only talking about 1/32nd,3% or thereabouts.Nothing in the scheme of things.The Third Reich would have classed you as an Aryan. :)

I'm half Irish/Scottish half-German (as far as I know and traced...both sides of my family have been in America since at least 1790), and I look more Scottish than anyone in my family. I wish I got more of the taller, Germanic genes. :D

Is there a good, FREE way to research ancestry? I hate paying someone for public domain records.

Something else to keep in mind is that if you go back more than one generation, you really have no idea what the true percentage or fraction is. A lot of people miss this. My dad's a geneaology nut and I had to explain this to him for about 10 minutes before he got it lol, he should have been first to know.

Even if you have perfect proof of some distant ancestor being a mongoloid, you have no idea how many of your genes came from them.

Half of your genes are from mom, half are from dad. Beyond that, it's a crapshoot. From any given grandparent, 25% is the *highest possible* amount. It's extremely unlikely that you got a full quarter of your grandpa's genes. It's even less likely that you got 12.5% of a great grandfather's. And so on.

As a general rule you can assume that it becomes exponentially less likely that you got a full contribution from a given ancestor, and exponentially more likely that you got nothing from him at all.

There would be some kinks in this if you tried to represent it mathematically. Dominant/recessive genes and whatnot. Plus there's surely some other variables we don't know about yet. Confusing, itz... But fun.

Even more fun to wrap your mind around is how genes might recombine at the bottom of the tree. You might end up being more English, or German, or Dutch etc than were either of your parents.

Or, and I know it's next to impossible, but you could literally be a reincarnation or yourself reincarnated some day. Maybe "recombined" would be a better term.

Only "free" way I know of wasn't very free. My dad spent countless hours of his time mailing questions and requests for locals to copy and mail local records(which they often had to be paid for unless they were also into it as much as he was), and drove all over the place to visit courthouses, old graveyards, and little museums.

It's easier now with the internet, but you're going to have to spend a lot of time still. The farthest he's traced one of my branches is 11 generations and the shortest one is 5, which isn't very good, but some of these people were honest-to-god hillbillies :) and there's no records.

He found a woman 7 generations back, named Hannah Potts, who was rumored to be part indian, but he's also found common descendants on some internet forum who have spent more time than him looking into it and they swear she wasn't. Who knows? I'm not very concerned about it.

1) Civil forum rule: no epithets.

2) do you look like the kid from Red Lake, or a regular White guy? If you look White, I'd stop obsessing over my ancestry if I was you.

To Stallion: I'm in the "If it walks like a duck etc" school of thought, like some of the others who posted here.

When we win, we'll have so much more time and money to devote to science that these little problems will be nothing. Hell, if it weren't for jews, we'd probably be farming on mars by now. A little gene therapy to remove what's not wanted? I don't think we'd be that far from figuring it out. After the dust settles, I think the worst thing that would happen to a "white" non-felon with a significant amount of non-white genes would be sterilization.

Jewish lies and anti-racist fantasies would have you thinking there'll be all sorts of people lined up and shot or something like that(gassed and turned into soap? heh), but whites just don't work that way. If they did, we wouldn't have such a mess now :)

Interesting book: look into "Hitler's Jewish Soldiers". Even the true NAZIS were pretty tolerant.

To who asked about genealogy resources: Most libraries have a good genealogy department, now that it's a popular fad. If you're going to do this kind of research, it should go without saying that you should do it yourself....since this has become a racket like everything else.

Maybe I wasn't clear before; No one is obsessing over ancestry in this case. It's something anyone can find out with a day of research. Like I said, it is something that is several generations back. The genes aren't evident in any member of my family. We don't have any drunks, suicidal people, or non-whites.

Who is White?
Those of you who have over the years or decades either observed or participated in the resistance to the murder of the White race know that provocateurs have attacked the racial purity of professed leaders to impugn their motives. In my opinion part of the reason this has successfully worked for the enemy is a mind set grown from an alien religion. A basic tenet of judeo-christianity and part of its fatal allure is that it allows inferior men to claim superior status without corresponding effort. A judeo-christian with an IQ of 90 and a dismal life history can get baptized, repeat a few ritualistic words and presto, suddenly proclaim divine status superior to that of a man a million times his superior in intellect and character. The "blue-eyed blond" syndrome is typical of this mentality. And I say this advisedly since I appear Nordic, tall, slender, blue-eyed blond. Yet I can only guess at the purity of my ancestry. My father of record sold my mother to his buddies and to strangers for booze money, so the Gods alone know all.

What I do know is this. I look White. I fight for White. I recognize the achievements of the White race. I want to preserve our kind. I am horrified that the beauty of the White Aryan woman may soon perish from the earth forever. I suffer for each White child tormented in America's inter-racial nightmare.

I see beauty in a Celtic princess with brown or red hair and green eyes. I see beauty in the statuesque Nordic Goddess with blue eyes and golden hair. I see beauty in the freckle-faced Irish lass. I see heroism in Robert Jay Mathews and Richard Scutari with their dark hair and eyes of green or brown as well as in Frank DeSilva, a fair skinned Bruder with a French Portugese name. Theirs is far greater nobility than 99% of those "Nordic Ideals," I might add.

For those who boast of their "purity", you have 2 parents, 4 grandparents, 8 great grandparents and so on. Go back 500 years or so and you have a million ancestors. A few more generations and everyone who ever trod the lands of Europe is your ancestor, including Huns, Mongols and Moors. There are no 100% pure Aryans as per 10,000 years ago.

But we do still exist as a distinct and unique biological entity. The cultures and civilizations we create are beyond comparison. The beauty of our women, blondes, brunettes, redheads, green-eyed, blue-eyed, brown-eyed, is the desire of all men and the envy of all women. So, we do not want to be derailed by gossip or speculation on who may be 1/16th Indian or have some Italian, Spanish or Portuguese blood. We are not going to debate over whether the collective remaining White gene pool is 95% or 97% pure Aryan.

Surely it would be a tragedy if the various divisions of our race lose their distinctive traits and beauty. And after we have secured the existence of our people and a future for ALL our children, hopefully we can take steps to preserve this diversity. But for now, we are going to accept the facts and circumstan-ces as they exist. We are going to work together for the holy cause and we will not tolerate provocateurs, divisions or dissension. If someone looks White, acts White, fights White, then until their actions prove otherwise, they are our Folk. On the other hand, regardless of pedigree or appearance, those who oppose, criticize, hinder or fail to support our cause are no friends of ours.

David Lane
[January 1995]

http://www.whiterevolution.com/text/whoswhite.shtml

Half of your genes are from mom, half are from dad. Beyond that, it's a crapshoot. From any given grandparent, 25% is the *highest possible* amount.


Well I might get banned for posting here (I’m a crypto-jew), but what the hell…

Anyway, I don’t understand why you think that 25% is the “highest possible amount”. It’s true that it isn’t exactly 25%, but why do you think it could only be less than 25%. Am I missing something? If it’s less than 25% from (say) your mother’s father, then by definition it has to be more than 25% from your mother’s mother. Why do you think 25% is the highest possible amount?

Doubt if you'll get banned. It's the civil forum and you're being civil, especially considering what an obvious mistake I made there. Still, the farther back you go, the more likely it is that you could have no genes at all from a given ancestor.

Thinking about this some more and I'm not sure that I screwed up that bad. If your mom's half of your genes was 22% of her mom's dad's genes and 78% from her mom's mom, you still don't know which of your mom's "total half" you have. I mean the half of hers that you end up with. This is where dominant and recessive traits become important, but we don't have much of that mapped out yet.

So it seems that it's as important as ever to observe appearance and behavior instead of combing old books to find a percentage or fraction. Your own senses are still more important than numbers which are improvable until we map out all genes.

LOL I've edited this post three times now... It's not easy to write out. Thanks for helping me narrow it down, guy.

Can you elaborate on that? I think you really have something there. Many White and black people I have known have been convinced there's injun in them, I doubt they're all correct, but why do they believe that exactly?

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=14823&page=4

Amen to that!

If I had a dollar for every White bar skank that claimed she was 1/4 cherokee, I would be rich!

Just more White guilt Jew brainwashing! :mad:

The way I see it:

1) Everybody, White or non-White, should do what he can to help the interests of the White race. If you're mixed you should just go on fighting same as before, spreading the info and donating to nationalism.

But a guy who is non-White, or part-White and looks mixed, should understand and accept rule number two here:

2) No non-White, even if he's as pro-White as can be, should be allowed to join a White organization. That's because you simply can't thumb on that rule, or you'll be sorry down the road.

I once worked with a Black guy who hated black people as much as any Klansmen. It was funny. He was a self-hating Black. He told me he has no Black friends because he can't stand the way they act. The truth is, if all Black people acted like this one Black man I once knew, there would be far less problems in America and the world.

Can you elaborate on that? I think you really have something there. Many White and black people I have known have been convinced there's injun in them, I doubt they're all correct, but why do they believe that exactly?

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=14823&page=4

The White Race has been demonized by the jewmedia for over half a century. Consequently, tens-of-millions of Whites decided to become "part Indian". They, or an older relative, began the family rumor that so-and-so-way-back-when, was Indian or part-Indian. And so, since it's not popular or cool, to be pure White (and hasn't been for 50 years or more thanks to kike Hollywood), White youth especially jumped onto the notion that they are part-Indian.

In most case, parents lied to their children, and the children grew up believing the lie, and have passed the lie onto their children. Literally millions actually believe the lie, and get highly emotional when someone casts doubt.

I estimate that well over 95% of Whites who say they are part-Indian would be proven wrong by a simple DNA test.

This is a serious problem we'll have to address - diplomatically.

I drove an 18-wheeler for 11 years (91-02), mostly team driving, and drove with well over 100 different White drivers. I swear over 90% of them claimed they were part Indian. You wouldn't believe the near-fist-fights I got into with them, as I ran my racist mouth to them for 5-20 days, depending on length of trips.

One fellow in particular sticks out. Ralph, a 6-4, 240 lbs viking giant from Springfield, MO - blue eyed, blonde and bearded. Said his great grandfather was an Indian. We ate supper at a truck stop on I-40 on the NM-AZ border. The place was packed with about 50-60 short, fat, flat-faced Navahos.

As we ate, I said "Ralph, check out all this Indians in here. Do you mean to tell me that your great-grandmother slept with one of those damn things?"

Ralph lit up like a Christmas tree - turned red as a beet and mad. Thought he was gonna hit me, but he didn't.

4-5 days later on the return trip from CA, he confessed to me that one of his uncles had obviously lied to him, and that he wasn't part-Indian, after all.

Even if you got a full round on each shot 6.25% injun would be the most you would be, and since therewere few fullbloods by then the Injun ancestor was likely really aMestizo to one extent or another. Its not important
Besides,as other posters have said many of these family claims are urban legends.

[QUOTE=diabloblanco92]Even if you got a full round on each shot 6.25% injun would be the most you would be, and since therewere few fullbloods by then the Injun ancestor was likely really aMestizo to one extent or another. Its not important
Besides,as other posters have said many of these family claims are urban legends.
AS if that were not enough, many of the East coast NA'S had vestigal White blood to begin with from the ancient Aryans

James Fenimore Cooper idealized indians in his novels, as did many dime novel authors of the 19th century. This is what prompted Mark Twain to write The Noble Red Man. I still can't figure out why these pre-judenreich White men lionized these dirty beggars though?

I have wondered that same thing myself. I have a theory that it has something to do with the perception most Whites have of Indians as tribal, "down-to-earth" people. Whites are drawn to the concept of racial brotherhood & natural living and the Indian embodies that in American culture.

I got a chuckle out of Rounder's story but surely he knows that there are many different Indian tribes and that certain physical characteristics are persistent among different groups. I don't believe many Whites would have mixed with the ugly, squat little Western Indians but the Indians in the East must have been somewhat attractive to some Whites. After all, Pocahontas did find a husband among the English colonists. I recall reading somewhere (sorry I can't remember exactly where) that John Smith described the Indians he met as having European features and attributed their dark skin to dyes they rubbed on their skin and the fact that they exposed much of their bodies to the sun.

I also read somewhere else (I think it was an old book published in the 20's called "The Not Quite Puritans") that while the Puritans in America were attempting to "Christianize" Indians, freedom-loving Whites were leaving the colonies and settling in the outlying areas amongst the Indians to escape the harsh laws of the time. I think it's possible that Whites mixed with Indians even before Columbus "discovered" America.

It's a much bigger problem than you think, Doppelhaken. Literally tens-of-millions of Whites say they are part-Indian, mainly Southerners.

"The Brave Noble Indian" has been portrayed to us for half a century by the media. Remember the old "John Wayne" type movies where the heros say they are part Indian (usually Cherokee)??

----, I even wanted to be part-Indian in my youth. Being White wasn't "cool" even then - 30-40 years ago. My oldest sister once asked our dad, "Dad, isn't it true that we're part Indian." My dad: "Well if it is, you sure as hell didn't get it from my side of the family." (Just wishful thinking on her part).

Another thing too is that many parents believe their children will be safer from nigger attacks in school, if they're part Indian. And so they come up with the lie, and their children grow up believing the lie.

Also, being "part Indian" means not having to fight for the White Race. It's an escape from White racial responsibility. Part Indians feel no sense of duty towards protecting White women or children.

Linda Leicht, reported for the Springfield News-Leader, bragged to me that while addressing a local 4th grade class, she asked for a show of hands of those who were pure White. Out of 30 White students, only 4 raised their hands. The rest claimed to be part Indian. Springfield is 95 percent White, and of the best racial stock in the country. Those White children actually believe they are part-Indian.

Etc, etc, etc.

Sorry Raina. I didn't read your post before making mine, above.

I'm not sure what Eastern Indians looked like before we wiped out about 90 percent and mixed with the other 10 percent, or so. But surely you know that all American Indians are descended from Asians who migrated across the Bering Straight from Asia around 14,000 years ago. And since they got ran out of Asian, they must have been a lower breed of ----, at that.

According to Compton's Encyclopedia (1954 edition), there were only 1,025,000 Indians between the North Pole and the Rio Grande River when Columbus arrived (including Eskimos). Therefore, when you consider that so many of them were killed by early European settlers, then there couldn't have been very many for Whites to mix with.

Frankly, I doubt if there was much difference in appearance between the original Eastern and Western Indians.

No apology necessary, Rounder. I myself have a hard time believing that the only people who ever lived in present-day America before Columbus were Indians of strictly Asian descent. I have no links or resources to refer to at the moment to support this belief, but since I was little I've doubted the official version of things as far as that goes. I recently read (I'd have saved the source if I'd known I'd be having this conversation!) that some artifacts found in TN in an "Indian" mound had some sort of ancient European markings on them. I'll look for the link and post it here if I find it.

Dear Rounder:

"g**k" and "s**t" are violations of the civil forum rules. Please follow the civil forum rules prohibiting epithets and swearing. This is a good thread you have going, please keep up the quality.

thanks!

Dear Rounder:

"g**k" and "s**t" are violations of the civil forum rules. Please follow the civil forum rules prohibiting epithets and swearing. This is a good thread you have going, please keep up the quality.

thanks!

Oops !! My apology, A.E.

No apology necessary, Rounder. I myself have a hard time believing that the only people who ever lived in present-day America before Columbus were Indians of strictly Asian descent. I have no links or resources to refer to at the moment to support this belief, but since I was little I've doubted the official version of things as far as that goes. I recently read (I'd have saved the source if I'd known I'd be having this conversation!) that some artifacts found in TN in an "Indian" mound had some sort of ancient European markings on them. I'll look for the link and post it here if I find it.

Yes, it's an interesting subject, Raina. We should be open minded about it. I wish there were some physical anthropologists we could trust. But unfortunately they all seem to be "political correct".

I can only say that I am so glad that I am second generation American.

No one in my family can claim Indian or any other stupid race, except what they are.

My grandparents came from Germany, and Ireland.

I am proud of both countries. They were uneducated immigrants that worked hard on a farm in Iowa, and worked very hard all their lives to make something of themselves.

Having said that our family has contributed a lot. I have Doctors, Lawyers, Pilots, and Teachers in our family.

I am proud of all of them, and no we don't have any stupid friggin Indian or anything else in our genes.

I am White and Proud!!!

I should also say that in two generations. I have a lot of 6 figure relatives, and we have survived a lot of adversity.

Having said that, blow me, you Niggers, Jews, Mexicoons, and Indians.

We have done far more in 2 generations.Then you idiots could ever do.

Whats your excuse? You have achieved nothing. My family had the deck stacked against them as well, but they succeeded. Why haven't you?

Get off your pitty pot and do something for yourselves. My family pays a lot of taxes to help you, and the bottom line is still 0.

Don't wonder why we are angry, Do something and show us our hard earned money is working, otherwise go back to where you came.

Proud White Guy.

I would much rather be 1/32 Indian than 1% nigger anyday :) No big deal to be a little Cherokee or Apache, they are a warrior race and worth respect for their fighting skills.

Asians subsumed the prior population. Which, whatever it was, was NOT indian. Plenty of valiant White fighters to look up to.
Edit: Fighting prowess of indians is hollyweird mythology mostly. In hand-to-hand combat, who would you expect to win; a group that uses it regularly, or European descended farmers? Custer and the Little Bighorn are famous because the indians prevailed. Which wouldn't rate mention but for the fact it was an extreme exception.