Over the years I've come across hundreds no thousands of folk who have been active in the ranks of the nationalist movement. It was always said our movement was like a sink with the taps on but the plug out even though we recruited new folk all the time we also lost as many so stagnated never reaching the statues of mass movement. The numbers that have been through our ranks BNP NF BM WNP EF etc must be in the hundreds of thousands I know many will have died and in the late seventys and early eighties it seemed not a month went by that it was announced this or that organiser was emigrating but there must still be thousands of racialy aware patriots out there just looking on at the battle and taking no part. How can we make contact with these folk and get them back involved ? if we could get 50% of our past members back we would overnight be a force to be reckond with.
Frustrating but worth thinking about !

[QUOTE=The Truth At Last]Over the years I've come across hundreds no thousands of folk who have been active in the ranks of the nationalist movement. It was always said our movement was like a sink with the taps on but the plug out even though we recruited new folk all the time we also lost as many so stagnated never reaching the statues of mass movement. The numbers that have been through our ranks BNP NF BM WNP EF etc must be in the hundreds of thousands I know many will have died and in the late seventys and early eighties it seemed not a month went by that it was announced this or that organiser was emigrating but there must still be thousands of racialy aware patriots out there just looking on at the battle and taking no part. How can we make contact with these folk and get them back involved ? if we could get 50% of our past members back we would overnight be a force to be reckond with.
Frustrating but worth thinking about ![/QUOTE]

What makes you think that being an active member of a political party will in itself solve anything?

A penetrating question.

Basically, all those people were lied to, cheated, and betrayed.

But there's another reason, too.

And that's the lack of ideology.

Think of the Communists. Once a red, always a red. Once they buy into the ideology, they're in for life. They never stop, never let up.

Where's the ideology on our side? Answer - virtually nowhere. Yes, a few have it, but only a few. For most people it's beer and football nationalism. There's no substance or depth, nothing to commit to for life. Or even, if it comes to the crunch, to give your life for.

That's why, over the years, probably the most common reason I've heard for people dropping out is 'He got married', 'got a new job' etc. In other words, something more important, or more entertaining came along.

Ask the average white nationalist what it all actually stands for, and you won't get a coherent answer.

So what's the lesson here? Answer - we need proper, professional ideological training courses that give people the information they need, not only to function as activists, but to cause them to commit for life.

[QUOTE=Librarian]A penetrating question.

Basically, all those people were lied to, cheated, and betrayed.

But there's another reason, too.

And that's the lack of ideology.

Think of the Communists. Once a red, always a red. Once they buy into the ideology, they're in for life. They never stop, never let up.

Where's the ideology on our side? Answer - virtually nowhere. Yes, a few have it, but only a few. For most people it's beer and football nationalism. There's no substance or depth, nothing to commit to for life. Or even, if it comes to the crunch, to give your life for.

That's why, over the years, probably the most common reason I've heard for people dropping out is 'He got married', 'got a new job' etc. In other words, something more important, or more entertaining came along.

Ask the average white nationalist what it all actually stands for, and you won't get a coherent answer.

So what's the lesson here? Answer - we need proper, professional ideological training courses that give people the information they need, not only to function as activists, but to cause them to commit for life.[/QUOTE]


Very true, sad but fucking true :mad:

[QUOTE=Aryan Lord]What makes you think that being an active member of a political party will in itself solve anything?[/QUOTE]

Its not just being a member or not a lot of these folk stoped acting and thinking like WNs. But on membership and activism if your not part of the solution your part of the problem as the old saying goes.

[QUOTE=The Truth At Last]Its not just being a member or not a lot of these folk stoped acting and thinking like WNs. But on membership and activism if your not part of the solution your part of the problem as the old saying goes.[/QUOTE]

You can`t know this.How can you assume that just because someone allows their membership of a political party to lapse that they have "stoped[sic] acting and thinking like WNs"?
There are many ways in which a White Nationalist can lead a fruitful existence other than fby illing the pockets of politicians and wearing out shoe leather in dristibuting leaflets that hardly anyone will read.
So being part of a political party does not equate to being "part of the solution".The party itself,especially the BNP is "part of the problem".

You must be organised and active - there is no other way. Lone wolf tactics will never work in Britain. Put your head above the parapet and get out there! Speak,talk, phone, email, write, distribute, agitate - become a part of a Movement NOT a System 'party'. As the Falangist said before the reds shot him - "Do not weep for me my comrades - get organised!"

[QUOTE=eddym_14]You must be organised and active - there is no other way. Lone wolf tactics will never work in Britain. Put your head above the parapet and get out there! Speak,talk, phone, email, write, distribute, agitate - become a part of a Movement NOT a System 'party'. As the Falangist said before the reds shot him - "Do not weep for me my comrades - get organised!"[/QUOTE]

"Active"? Doing what precisely? If you are referring to parliamentary politics forget it:the odds are stacked against you.You will never achieve a White Nationalist government via the ballot books.The system simply won`t let you.As soon as you get within an inch of succeeding they will move the goal posts.You have seen it done surely?
There are too many aliens within Britain for you to succeed by "democracy".
The time to do anything was 40 years ago.It is too late now to rely on "democracy" as "democracy" is the weapon that has been used to bring this dire set of circumstances about.
No you must seek other methods.
The masses do not want to know as long as they have their booze,tobacco,foreign holidays and their national lottery.

[QUOTE=Aryan Lord]"Active"? Doing what precisely?[/QUOTE]

eddym_14 already replied to that:

[QUOTE=eddym_14]Speak,talk, phone, email, write, distribute, agitate[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Aryan Lord]If you are referring to parliamentary politics forget it:the odds are stacked against you.[/QUOTE]

He replied to that too:

[QUOTE=eddym_14]become a part of a Movement NOT a System 'party'.[/QUOTE]

Well said, eddym.

[QUOTE=_DC_]eddym_14 already replied to that:





He replied to that too:



Well said, eddym.[/QUOTE]

He wrote a lot,agreed but said little. ;)

[QUOTE=Aryan Lord]"Active"? Doing what precisely? If you are referring to parliamentary politics forget it:the odds are stacked against you.You will never achieve a White Nationalist government via the ballot books.The system simply won`t let you.As soon as you get within an inch of succeeding they will move the goal posts.You have seen it done surely?
There are too many aliens within Britain for you to succeed by "democracy".
The time to do anything was 40 years ago.It is too late now to rely on "democracy" as "democracy" is the weapon that has been used to bring this dire set of circumstances about.
No you must seek other methods.
The masses do not want to know as long as they have their booze,tobacco,foreign holidays and their national lottery.[/QUOTE]


I cant argue with most of your post but we ar'nt relying on " democracy " to save us its one part of the battle. We must build a MOVEMENT that can work with the political partys with all that entails without losing our long term vision for our folks future. We must also try to lead by example, live our lifes according to our beliefs our struggle is to me as much spiritual as it is political. Lets try new tactics as well as the old tried and tested methods of recruiting and like Librarian said when we get them lets educate them so your average flag waving BNP or NF supporter gets the chance to develope into a true WN who will remain true to the cause for life is this where the NA comes in ? time will tell . If you can suggest a better way forward please share it with us all ideas are welcome unless they entail doing nothing.

Hi Aryan Lord
If you want my full current thoughts on how we CAN take power read
http://www.rwb.org.uk./wnnow.html
You might find I say a lot!

[QUOTE=The Truth At Last]I cant argue with most of your post but we ar'nt relying on " democracy " to save us its one part of the battle. We must build a MOVEMENT that can work with the political partys with all that entails without losing our long term vision for our folks future. We must also try to lead by example, live our lifes according to our beliefs our struggle is to me as much spiritual as it is political. Lets try new tactics as well as the old tried and tested methods of recruiting and like Librarian said when we get them lets educate them so your average flag waving BNP or NF supporter gets the chance to develope into a true WN who will remain true to the cause for life is this where the NA comes in ? time will tell . If you can suggest a better way forward please share it with us all ideas are welcome unless they entail doing nothing.[/QUOTE]

The only way you are going to succeed in stopping and reversing the current trend towards biological extinction of the English people is to overturn the British parliamentary system by revolution.
You need to consider methods of doing this-forget entirely political parties.They will hinder and not help you.As long as you continue to waste your time by playing ZOG`s game by ZOG`s rules you will fail.
Consider the last 20 years of European history and consider one fact:tyrannies have been overturned not by a political party but by the mobilisation of the masses.
Failure to do this will result in any descendants that you have[who have not miscegenated by then] living on reservations.

[QUOTE=Aryan Lord]No you must seek other methods.[/QUOTE]Is "other methods" hinting at some other well-known alternative than the suggestions stated above or do you have one in mind you're not sharing?

Why do you say the BNP is part of the problem? I'm not British, so from my distant viewpoint I can't tell why they'd be anything but "good."

Looking forward to your opinion.

[QUOTE=invictus]

Why do you say the BNP is part of the problem? I'm not British, so from my distant viewpoint I can't tell why they'd be anything but "good."

I will get some abuse on here for this but fuck it ! I turn out with the BNP every chance I get, local leafleting drives demos like in Halifax and Leeds and meetings and all the other stuff. I will also support in any way I can other efforts to build a WNs counter culture like the NA for me theres no conflict of interest if your basicly supporting the 14 words I'm on side. From the rank and file of the BNP today we will recruit the folk that will if guided in the right way will become the national revolutionarys of tommorow.

[QUOTE=The Truth At Last]I will get some abuse on here for this but fuck it ![/QUOTE]Eh, well, it certainly won't be from me. I was just under the impression the BNP was the best thing England had going and was curious what the grievances against it were.

I know if I were in England, the BNP would be the first organization I would think to support.

[QUOTE=The Truth At Last][QUOTE=invictus]
I will get some abuse on here for this but fuck it ! [/QUOTE]

No you won't! We are NOT anti BNP here, its the leadership of that party we have a problem with. Most BNP members are good people with honourable intentions.

[QUOTE=invictus]Is "other methods" hinting at some other well-known alternative than the suggestions stated above or do you have one in mind you're not sharing?

Why do you say the BNP is part of the problem? I'm not British, so from my distant viewpoint I can't tell why they'd be anything but "good."

Looking forward to your opinion.[/QUOTE]

It is a pure fantasy if people expect a White Nationalist government to arise by the ballott box when the rules of the game are decided in advance by ZOG and the rules changed or flouted to suit their will.
Therefore one must play a game that ZOG has no rule book for and in which we set the rules[if there are any].
I have already pointed out that tyrannies even more extreme than Blair`s liberal-fascist government have been toppled by the people.This is what happened in Poland,eastern Germany and every other former communist state in eastern Europe.
Also more recently in western Europe we have seen the masses mobilised for single issue campaigns over fuel prices and countryside issues etc.Going further back to 1974 the Conservative government of the day was toppled by the mineworkers` unions.So it can happen.
We need to utilise the masses for our own ends,infiltrate single issue campaigns and use them to create a state of chaos.
Further useful and more risky strategies are to be found in the Turner Diaries if you care to read it.
The state are happy for parties such as the BNP and others to exist because this is a safety valve for nationalist activity and a very easy means of infiltrating the "movement".But ZOG cannot infiltrate Lone Wolves or cell structures.There are plenty of examples of such structures being very effective.
The BNP is actively involved in discouraging true racial nationalists from joining or remaining within its ranks so yes it is part of the problem.
Furthermore they lack any kind of coherent ideology.They are opportunist and populist,nothing more.

[QUOTE=The Truth At Last]I cant argue with most of your post but we ar'nt relying on " democracy " to save us its one part of the battle. We must build a MOVEMENT that can work with the political partys with all that entails without losing our long term vision for our folks future. We must also try to lead by example, live our lifes according to our beliefs our struggle is to me as much spiritual as it is political. Lets try new tactics as well as the old tried and tested methods of recruiting and like Librarian said when we get them lets educate them so your average flag waving BNP or NF supporter gets the chance to develope into a true WN who will remain true to the cause for life is this where the NA comes in ? time will tell . If you can suggest a better way forward please share it with us all ideas are welcome unless they entail doing nothing.[/QUOTE]

See my previous post in reply to Invictus,it is quite informative.
You have to ask yourself one important question and that is what is the goal of the movement you are hoping to build because if it is only based around preventing and reversing immigration then you will fail.
You refer to a spiritual basis to the movement.Again this is quite vague.What exactly are you referring to here?
One thing is for sure British nationalism lacks an underpinning ideology unlike the NSDAP.This is the weakness.

[QUOTE=The Truth At Last][QUOTE=invictus]

Why do you say the BNP is part of the problem? I'm not British, so from my distant viewpoint I can't tell why they'd be anything but "good."

I will get some abuse on here for this but fuck it ! I turn out with the BNP every chance I get, local leafleting drives demos like in Halifax and Leeds and meetings and all the other stuff. I will also support in any way I can other efforts to build a WNs counter culture like the NA for me theres no conflict of interest if your basicly supporting the 14 words I'm on side. From the rank and file of the BNP today we will recruit the folk that will if guided in the right way will become the national revolutionarys of tommorow.[/QUOTE]

Let me be clear about this:are you saying that you are recruiting members from the BNP for a rival political party?

[QUOTE=Aryan Lord]It is a pure fantasy if people expect a White Nationalist government to arise by the ballott box when the rules of the game are decided in advance by ZOG and the rules changed or flouted to suit their will.[/QUOTE]
Exactly.


The state are happy for parties such as the BNP and others to exist because this is a safety valve for nationalist activity ...
Exactly.


As long as we buy into the system, we will get nowhere. The only group that the enemy fears are those who don't vote at all. These are the potential revolutionaries - they don't believe in any of it - even the so-called BNP 'alternative'.

That's why Blair wants to make voting compulsory.

[QUOTE=Aryan Lord][QUOTE=The Truth At Last]

Let me be clear about this:are you saying that you are recruiting members from the BNP for a rival political party?[/QUOTE]


Not in way you are thinking its more of a case of introducing certain folk who show potential to other aspects of the struggle other than just vote chasing and the bland all things to all people type of nationalism that does get you votes and short term gains but doesnt put the fire in your heart that is needed when things get rough as they most surley will in the not to distant future. Its no great conspirisy it might just be for some lending them a few books that will awaken them further than they have been up to now, others might be encouraged to attend meetings of other partys and build bridges with folk who the present leadership of the BNP dont see eye to eye with. ( no jokes about this please )
I would not at this time ask anyone to leave the BNP or stop being active for the party infact just the opposite it would be good if all nationalists could get behind the BNP in the run up to the GE .

[QUOTE=Librarian]Exactly.



Exactly.


As long as we buy into the system, we will get nowhere. The only group that the enemy fears are those who don't vote at all. These are the potential revolutionaries - they don't believe in any of it - even the so-called BNP 'alternative'.

That's why Blair wants to make voting compulsory.[/QUOTE]


I cant agree with you just my opinion but I believe we can build a revolution on the back of a good nationalist vote .

The NA is getting many BNP members but we are telling them to stay in the Party - though some will not - they have had enough....

[QUOTE=eddym_14]The NA is getting many BNP members but we are telling them to stay in the Party - though some will not - they have had enough....[/QUOTE]

Absolutely! And it is the best of the BNP's members who are joining the NA. Prety soon we will have all their best activists, and when we start putting our own candidates forward in elections, I can see them switching completely. I also foresee the BNP proscribing us, I hope they do this after the election. Lets face it, if an elected councilor is told he has to leave the NA or resign the party whip, we could end up with councilors of our own before we even fight an election!!:D

The National Front had an estimated 25,000-50,000 members at the end of the 70s. This is what the sociologist Nigel Fielding said in 1983. In spite of this, and in spite of the fact that the NF's successes pressured Thatcher to talk tough on swampers, many more millions of non-whites are now in Britain.

The BNP has about 10,000-15,000 members. They, unlike the Front (at their peak), have won council seats. They are not as hardcore as the Front - and the Front's socialism put off a lot of Tory voters - but they have good common sense policies based on the fact that whites are being genocided by numbers and that the UK is now a refugee hostel, not a country.

The BNP have about 7,000 members - the NF never had more than 10,000 at any one time. I know these figures are more or less right.