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lawrence dennis
04-26-2005, 09:16 AM
Interesting overview with some quotes that name the Jew. From the Mooney/Looney Washington Times, but none of the jewspapers will cover the story from this angle.
[size=4]Religion under a secular assault (http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20050413-122937-3482r.htm)[/size]
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They're part of a network of organizations that shares logistics, troops, board members and funding sources and includes radical feminists, humanists, atheists and liberal Jewish and Christian groups. Four organizations furnish most of the leadership.
The oldest and best-known is the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), whose Kentucky chapter is the plaintiff in one of the two cases before the Supreme Court. The others are Americans United for Separation of Church and State, People for the American [Jewish--L.D.] Way (PFAW) and the Freedom from Religion Foundation (FFRF).
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The carved Commandments on the grounds of the Texas Capitol in Austin is excessive, Duke University Law School professor Erwin Chemerinsky argued on behalf of Thomas Van Orden, a homeless, disbarred lawyer.
"It's the most powerful and profound religious message that this court has ever considered on government property," Mr. Chemerinsky said. "Here you have a monument that proclaims not only there is a God, but God has dictated rules of behavior for those who follow him or her."
The justices appeared unimpressed.
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'Dirty little secret'
The ACLU, Americans United, PFAW, FFRF and their allies have filed hundreds of lawsuits since the 1960s on the grounds of "separation of church and state." The phrase, which Jefferson first used in a letter to an association of Connecticut Baptists, appears nowhere in the Constitution.
A federal appeals court, citing the "separation" concept, barred a cross on federal land in the Mojave Desert. The San Diego City Council voted March 8 to remove a 43-foot cross atop the Mount Soledad War Memorial, ending a 15-year battle with an atheist backed by the ACLU. A lawsuit by Michael Newdow, another California atheist, to remove the phrase "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance was dismissed by the Supreme Court on a technicality in June.
The faithful accuse the "anti-Christian soldiers" of disproportionately targeting Judeo-Christian symbols while ignoring other religious symbols.
In 2003, the ACLU urged the National Park Service to remove plaques inscribed with Bible verses from three overlooks at the Grand Canyon but did not protest the names of park buttes -- Brahma Temple, Vishnu Temple, Shiva Temple, Osiris Temple and others -- commemorating Hindu and Egyptian deities.
ACLU President Nadine Strossen says her group correctly ignored the rest.
"Most people would not see those as religious, but as religious art," she says in an interview. "Would a reasonable observer see those as a government endorsement of religion? If it's such an exotic religion that most people wouldn't know what the symbol is?"
Ms. Strossen declines to characterize her religious beliefs. She describes the ACLU as supported by "rabbis, ministers, priests and other religious leaders who recognize that government involvement is as dangerous to religion as it is to a diverse, pluralistic society."
Litigation and protest has split communities, sometimes inviting sectarian hard feelings. School districts across the country have banned Christmas carols, Nativity scenes and -- in Texas -- even the traditional Christmas colors of red and green at a holiday party in an elementary school.
[color=Red] "I blame my fellow Jews for the situation," columnist Burt Prelutsky wrote in the Los Angeles Times last year. "When it comes to pushing the multicultural, anti-Christian agenda, you find Jewish judges, Jewish journalists and the American Civil Liberties Union at the forefront. The dirty little secret in America is that anti-Semitism is no longer a problem in society -- it's been replaced by a rampant anti-Christianity."
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Mr. Neier, who was born in Nazi Germany. "If I could be certain that I could wipe out Nazism and all comparable threats to my safety by the exercise of power, perhaps I would be tempted to choose that course. But we Jews have little power. As a Jew, therefore, concerned with my own survival and the survival of the Jews -- the two being inextricably linked -- I want restraints placed on power."
Mr. Neier, now 78, assumed the presidency of liberal philanthropist George Soros' Open Society Institute in 1998, a New York-based foundation that describes itself as promoting pluralism in democratic societies.
Mr. Neier's fear of a powerful majority imposing its will on a nonconsenting minority [color=Red]moved the ACLU to oppose mandatory school prayer[/color] in the 1962 Supreme Court case Engel v. Vitale and oppose Bible reading in public schools as well in 1963's Abington v. Schempp.
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Antiochus Epiphanes
04-26-2005, 10:02 AM
here is the obfuscation that prefaces those comments and puts them in a tepid to mild framework:
"The faithful accuse the "anti-Christian soldiers" of disproportionately targeting Judeo-Christian symbols while ignoring other religious symbols."
So I thank you for noticing that article, and its does push the envelope a millimeter or two farther, but I'm not super impressed with the "looney moonies" as you say.
Antiochus Epiphanes
04-26-2005, 10:05 AM
The Cross is not a "judeo Christian symbol." The whole notion of "judeo Christian" is an abomination. It is either Christian or Judeo. If it's "judeo-Christian," you might as well forget the "Christian" because it will be strictly Judeo.
St John Chysostom warned against Christians "returning to the vomit of Judaism." That's in full force today.
Abzug Hoffman
04-26-2005, 10:24 AM
[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]The Cross is not a "judeo Christian symbol." The whole notion of "judeo Christian" is an abomination. It is either Christian or Judeo. If it's "judeo-Christian," you might as well forget the "Christian" because it will be strictly Judeo.
St John Chysostom warned against Christians "returning to the vomit of Judaism." That's in full force today.[/QUOTE]
Judeo-Christian: Noah's Ark, Adam and Eve and the serpent, The ten commandments, the Psalms
Christian: Jesus, the Nativity, the Holy Cross, The Passion of Christ, the Advent Wreath, the words of Christ, Christmas, Easter, Lent
Jewish: the menorah, the dreidel, Purim, Hanukkah, Holycost fetish
lawrence dennis
04-26-2005, 10:26 AM
Second installment of "God Under Fire in the Public Square":
[size=4]Why Bush threatens secularism (http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20050414-124744-9798r.htm)[/size]
The weekend before President Bush's second inauguration, 60 humanists, atheists and ethical culturalists gathered at a hotel just off Dupont Circle for an "emergency meeting" organized by the American Humanist Association.
"The situation is now as bad as we'll ever see it," Roy Speckhardt, the group's deputy director, says afterward.
He predicts that Mr. Bush's evangelical Christian views would be folded into government policy on judicial appointees, abortion, social services and other issues.
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"There is complete scorn on the part of the current administration as to the separation of church and state," the elder Mrs. Gaylor says in an interview. "There has never been any less respect in Washington for church-state separation, even though church-state separation is one of the things that made our country possible in the first place."
Many Christians and others of faith, however, see a growing threat that Mrs. Gaylor and her allies are intent on [color=Red]loosing the nation from its Judeo-Christian moorings.[/color]
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On New Year's Day 1802, President Jefferson wrote a letter to a Connecticut association of Baptists that would change American judicial history and define the boundaries of religious freedom.
"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' " Jefferson wrote, quoting the First Amendment.
"Thus," he continued, "building a wall of separation between church and state."
Although not part of the Constitution, those concluding 10 words are considered by many Americans to be authoritative on the subject. Jefferson's letter celebrated religious liberty, yet the courts have cited his "wall" to bar faith and its forms from government, including schools, public parks and buildings.
The nation's third president sought to reassure the Danbury Baptist Association of Connecticut, representatives of a minority denomination that refused to conform to the established Congregationalist and Episcopal churches. He actually intended his letter to convince the Baptists that a state-established church would not trample their beliefs.
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David Horowitz, who edits the idiosyncratic conservative Web site frontpagemag.com and is a former leftist, insists that People for the American Way "was organized as an anti-Christian group."
"On their Web site, they smear the [Christian] religious right," Mr. Horowitz says.[color=Red] "Why not the Jewish right? [/color]Why not the Muslim right?"
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Mr. Barker says he decided he was an atheist in 1983, about 20 years after he says he became an evangelist at 15. He began to question his faith, he says, after serving as a Quaker, independent charismatic and Assemblies of God pastor and after performing missionary work in Mexico.
Mr. Barker moved to Wisconsin to work for Mrs. Gaylor's foundation, marrying Annie Laurie Gaylor in 1987 and joining the family cause. A piano player who has accompanied Pat Boone and other Christian artists, he now recasts old hymns in humanist terms with titles such as "You Can't Win with Original Sin" and "God-Less America."
Julaine Appling, executive director of the Family Research Institute in Madison, Wis., frequently contends with the Barker organization. Most of its energy is spent challenging Christians, Ms. Appling says.
"When they go after religion, [color=Red]they go after Christianity aggressively," she says. "I don't see them going after other religions."[/color]
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lawrence dennis
04-26-2005, 11:28 AM
Here they are, the people behind the 'People' for the 'American' Way:
http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=3686
[size=3][color=#990000]People For the American Way
Board of Directors
[/color][/size]David E. Altschul – Chair
James A. Autry
Alec Baldwin
Dr. Arthur Bellinzoni
Marilyn Bergman
Lara Bergthold
Mary Frances Berry
Hon. John H. Buchanan, Jr.
Father Robert Drinan
Maria Echaveste
Michael Gartner
James Hormel
Dolores Huerta
Michael B. Keegan
Howard Klein
Norman Lear
Rev. Timothy McDonald
Dr. Jack Melamed
Ralph G. Neas
John Payton
Anthony T. Podesta
David S. Rose
Joshua Sapan
Carole Shields
Clyde Shorey
Margery Tabankin
Reg Weaver
Geraldine Day Zurn
[size=3][color=#990000]People For the American Way Foundation
Board of Directors[/color][/size]
Ronald Feldman – Co-Chair
Norman Lear – Co-Chair
David E. Altschul
James A. Autry
Alec Baldwin
Marilyn Bergman
Rev. Dr. Charles Bergstrom
Barbara Bluhm Kaul
Blair Brown
John H. Buchanan
Robert L. Burkett
Julius L. Chambers
Susan Claassen
Bertis Downs
Father Robert Drinan
Christopher F. Edley, Jr.
Judy Goldenberg
Joan Harris
Marian Heiskell
Bianca Jagger
Howard G. Krafsur
Rev. Timothy McDonald
Dr. Jack Melamed
Hon. Kweisi Mfume
John Moyers
Ralph G. Neas
Anthony T. Podesta
David S. Rose
Joshua Sapan
Rabbi David Saperstein
Carole Shields
Clyde Shorey
Margery Tabankin
Kathleen Turner
Ruth B. Usem
Ira D. Wallach http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/images/spacer.gif http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/images/spacer.gif
A whole bunch of international jews, a few nigs, a couple of fags, a number of Hollywitz 'liberalz' and other 'starz' and ... that's pretty much it for this group of 'Americans.' Hey, why don't y'all attack the food industry for making us all pay the kosher food tax? Why, even the government and therefore all taxpayers pay that tax...millions and millions for the rabbis, and not a peep from PFAW. Why no separation of Jews and state, Mr. Lear?
lawrence dennis
04-26-2005, 11:50 AM
[size=4]Believers aim to 'reclaim' America (http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20050415-124649-3229r.htm)[/size]
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Loosed from its biblical moorings, Mr. Land tells the assembly that[color=Red] "a pagan America"[/color] can only become home to a legion of ills: harvests of fetal tissue and eggs from women's bodies, marriage redefined as any union with a variety of partners, single-parent families as the norm, a low age of consent for child-adult sex, hard-core porn on television.
Change will come when "a certain percentage of American Christians known only to God humble themselves and pray," Mr. Land says. "He will lean over from heaven and pour out a blessing, not only on Christians, but on non-Christian and Christian alike."
In such a "God-blessed America," he says, streets and schools would be safe, divorce and illegitimate children would be rare, and the elderly would live with their families and not in nursing homes.
"[color=Red][color=Black]In an American society[/color] that preaches Judeo-Christian values[/color], rooted in biblical theology, not all will be Christian, but they can at least live according to [shared] values," Mr. Land concludes.
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The clashes highlight a growing determination of religious conservatives to stand firm for the Judeo-Christian principles of the nation's founding. People of faith are confronting the gathering tide of secularism and a coarser culture in a variety of ways.
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His group's Web site, www.reclaimamerica.org (http://www.reclaimamerica.org), is loaded for action. A string of petitions ranges from "Defund Planned Parenthood" to "Free Our Churches." The latter refers to a bill before Congress that would allow religious organizations — including pastors — to support or oppose political candidates without losing their tax-exempt status. Elsewhere are pleas for donations, lists of rallies and details on reaching Congress.
Another feature of the Web site is "A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing," an expose of the American Civil Liberties Union illustrated by a photo of a snarling wolf. The copy describes ACLU-inspired lawsuits and the organization's "war against religion."
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"Not just evangelicals, but Catholics, too, have some political clout and are getting respect," Mrs. Knippers says. "Some people in the Democratic Party are having to pay attention to us. They've realized they've overlooked an important constituency. A lot of[color=Red] people think it's wrong to have an entirely secularized society[/color], with no room for acknowledging God.
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Mr. Sekulow successfully argued several cases before the Supreme Court to protect the free speech of pro-life demonstrators and allow public school students to form Bible clubs on campus.
The pivotal shift in strategic momentum for the center, Mr. Sekulow says, came when he stopped arguing from the establishment clause of the First Amendment that he views as guaranteeing free exercise of religion. He began arguing instead on free speech grounds against religious discrimination.
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"I fear the removal of the Judeo-Christian foundation of our society," Dennis Prager, a conservative Jew, wrote in his syndicated column after the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors voted last May to remove a tiny cross from the county seal because the Southern California ACLU threatened to sue.[color=Red] "This is the real battle of our time, indeed the civil war of our time. [/color]The left wants America to become secular like Western Europe, not remain the Judeo-Christian country it has always been."
Binyamin Jolkovsky, editor of the Web site JewishWorldReview.com, argues that the ACLU and other civil liberties groups act counter to Jewish principles in efforts they depict as protecting minority religions.
"Jews who take their Judaism seriously don't want God taken out of the public square," Mr. Jolkovsky says.
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The move to counter the secular left also has the attention of Christian leaders who are black. Some brokered first-time alliances during the recent election season with white evangelicals over the issue of same-sex "marriage."
The Rev. Harry Jackson of Hope Christian Church in Lanham joined other black pastors in Los Angeles in February to announce a "Black Contract With America on Moral Values," with the goal of promoting socially conservative legislation.
"Some of us in the evangelical community have been painted as mean-spirited and inarticulate," Mr. Jackson told 153 evangelical leaders...
Mr. Mohler intends to alert his audiences...
"Whether it's too little or too late is yet to be seen," he says. "Millions of Americans are awakening to the fact that [color=Red]something significant has happened in American society and unless they do something, the very future of the American experiment is threatened." [/color]
Notice the obligatory pandering to Jews (who are of course primarily responsible for 'something significant happening to American society') and the repeated use of 'Judeo-Christian.'
Antiochus Epiphanes
04-26-2005, 12:23 PM
hmmm, good series of posts.
Doppelhaken
04-26-2005, 12:33 PM
[QUOTE=Antiochus Epiphanes]hmmm, good series of posts.[/QUOTE]
lawrence dennis is a good poster, isn't he? "Getting better" all the time as the Beatles and his user title suggest.
lawrence dennis
04-27-2005, 12:53 AM
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-brown26apr26,0,6225135.story?coll=la-home-headlines
[size=4]Faith 'War' Rages in U.S., Judge Says[/size]
[size=3]A Bush nominee central to the Senate's judicial controversy criticizes secular humanists.[/size]
April 26, 2005
WASHINGTON — Just days after a bitterly divided Senate committee voted along party lines to approve her nomination as a federal appellate court judge, California Supreme Court Justice Janice Rogers Brown told an audience Sunday that people of faith were embroiled in a "war" against secular humanists who threatened to divorce America from its religious roots, according to a newspaper account of the speech.
Brown's remarks come as a partisan battle over judges has evolved into a national debate over the proper mix of God and government... [a debate that seems to be largely confined to the chattering class--L.D.]
Her comments to a gathering of Roman Catholic legal professionals in Darien, Conn., came on the same day as "Justice Sunday: Stop the Filibuster Against People of Faith," a program produced by evangelical leaders and simulcast on the Internet and in homes and churches around the country....
Though unrelated to that program, Brown's remarks sounded similar themes.
"There seems to have been no time since the Civil War that this country was so bitterly divided. It's not a shooting war, but it is a war," she said, according to a report published Monday in the Stamford Advocate.
"These are perilous times for people of faith," she said, "not in the sense that we are going to lose our lives, but in the sense that it will cost you something if you are a person of faith who stands up for what you believe in and say those things out loud."
A spokeswoman for the California Supreme Court, Lynn Holton, said no text was available because "it was a talk, not a speech." Brown's office did not dispute the newspaper's account.
The Advocate quoted Brown as lamenting that America had moved away from the religious traditions on which it was founded.
"When we move away from that, we change our whole conception of the most significant idea that America has to offer, which is this idea of human freedom and this notion of liberty," she said.
She added that atheism "handed human destiny over to the great god, autonomy, and this is quite a different idea of freedom…. Freedom then becomes willfulness."
Brown's remarks drew praise Monday ... "No wonder the radical left opposes her," Bauer wrote in an e-mail to supporters. "Janice Rogers Brown understands the great culture war raging in America. That is why the abortion crowd, the homosexual rights movement and the radical secularists [J-J-Jjjjj-jews?--L.D.] are all demanding that Senate liberals block her confirmation."
... a precursor to an ideological brawl over replacing Supreme Court Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, who has cancer.
Democrats blocked Brown's confirmation by the full Senate, charging that she held extremist views that interfere with her ability to render objective judgments. She has a history of delivering provocative speeches.
Democrats have questioned speeches in which [color=Red][size=3]she called the New Deal the "triumph of our socialist revolution."[/size][size=3] She has described herself as a "true conservative" who believes that [/size][size=3]"where the government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates…. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
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Questioned in 2003 about her comments, Brown conceded that she was blunt when addressing conservative audiences.
"I don't have a speechwriter," she said. "I do these myself. And it speaks for itself."
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lawrence dennis
04-27-2005, 01:08 AM
[size=4]Religious conservatives' demands on government may spark backlash[/size] (http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/11487102.htm)
WASHINGTON - A church-based rally in support of conservative judges has threatened to turn a political debate into a holy war over how much influence religious conservatives should have over both politics and policy.
Several evangelical Christian activists used their Sunday rally to signal that they will continue to escalate the demands on government they started making with the recent case of Terri Schiavo...
Similarly, charging that Democratic efforts to use the filibuster to block the appointments of conservative judges are an attack on "people of faith" carries political risks.... "This may well be a productive strategy for Republicans," said Stephen Moore, an influential economic conservative and the head of the Free Enterprise Fund. "It's dangerous, though. It could produce a backlash."
The Rev. Jim Wallis, the editor of Sojourners Magazine, a liberal Christian journal, warned of a Republican "theocracy" that employs the Scriptures in its political campaigns.
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"The religious right is playing a tough game, daring those who oppose them to do something about it," said Dennis Goldford, a political scientist at Drake University in Iowa. "Politics is about compromise. Religion is about absolutes. If you bring religion into it, you destroy the chance for civil disagreement." [what about Xian support for Zionism, Mr. Goldford? No civil disagreement is needed there, is it?--L.D.]
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The Sunday rally titled, "Justice Sunday, the filibuster against people of faith," was held in a Louisville church and [color=Red]simulcast to churches, television and radio stations nationwide. Organizers said it reached 61 million households, which if accurate would put it on a par with the first presidential debate last year,[/color] which was broadcast on all the major television and cable networks and drew an estimated 61.5 million viewers. The Sunday event was beamed mostly to smaller stations, many of which didn't plan to air the program until Tuesday.
Tony Perkins, the president of the Family Research Council and a co-sponsor of the rally, called the courts an "an enclave for those who seek to muzzle people of faith." He later said, "We are not saying that people who disagree with us are not people of faith."
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Ralph Neas, the president of the liberal People For the American Way Foundation, said the organizers of the Sunday event used religion for a purely political goal, a tactic he said isolated them from hundreds of religious leaders around the country.
Some religious leaders denounced the Sunday event.
Several had urged Frist not to participate, including the Rev. Dr. Clifton Kirkpatrick, the Stated Clerk of the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A), Frist's denomination. Others included the Rev. Dr. Robert W. Edgar, the general secretary of the National Council of Churches; Bishop Mark Hansen, the presiding bishop of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America; Bishop Vashti McKenzie of the African Methodist Episcopal Church; and Rabbi David Saperstein, the director of the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism.
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