Just starting this thread. I presume Stan will soon give us an email where we can begin collecting these.

The VNN members' computers must contain the best well know and little known White Power and Racist music in the world. Short Hitler speeches, White Power rally personages speaking etc. would be fine too. So we can almost all participate in this worthy project. Step right up. It's an email away!

So let us see where this takes us. We are trying to build an enormous musical catalogue file.

Please rename your file's- coorect spellings of band and song names! Example: "Nigger Lovin' Whore" by The Angry Aryans.
I guess if you wanted to get fancy, you could add the venue they played, in the case of a live recording, or something like "Pist Chris" ("Pissed Chris"?), lead singer.

Main thing- song in quotation marks and the byline, that is,
by Angry Aryans (example).

Windows player displays this info and it makes learning new songs while listening much easier and more fun. Plus, the fine bands get noticed by tens of thousands more new people.

The general plan is to sound similarly to this, though we'll have VNN "brandings", educative and humorous streamings in there online too-
http://www.volkermord.com/download/volkermord.m3u

Reference my post in "Broadcast Tech" on this VNN radio matter.
http://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=217528&postcount=36&*

Please send musical suggestions and .mp3's to sski@sskiweb.com

If you have any knowledge of P2P sites that have a database of White music, please forward the service information as well.

I went to Kaaza and found a whole bunch of songs just by using White keywords. Most of it was hardcore and some country flavors. It's a start.

Can someone give me some background on David Allen Coe? I've heard his stuff before and he sounded like one of us at first glance but no-one speaks of him too much. What's his story?

Just a short "Thanks" to you loyal VNN'ers for all the hard work and money yaw'll are putting into the Radio Project, especially you Stan. I can't contribute much to the conversation here due to my computer ignorance. Most of the time, I don't even know what the hell yaw'll are talking about.

Hail Victory though, and keep o-o-o-o-n-n-n-n-n-a-a-a-a ku kluckin !!!

do we need to obtain permissions? which items will be public domain and which not? I know that copyright in WP music is not usually much of a concern, but for other songs it will be.

Can someone give me some background on David Allen Coe? I've heard his stuff before and he sounded like one of us at first glance but no-one speaks of him too much. What's his story?
Forget him.
http://runaked.com/forums/archives/topic/1375-1.html
"I wrote the guy (Strauss), and he didn't even acknowledge that I'd sent him an answer," Coe, 61, says by phone from his Daytona Beach, Fla. home. "I just told them that they could say whatever they wanted to about me, but they couldn't call me a racist or white supremacist because that wasn't true."
"I've got a black drummer who's married to a white chick," Coe says. "I've got (black, former heavyweight boxing champion) Leon Spinks' pictures all over my bus, pictures he took with my family. My hair's in dreadlocks. I'm the farthest thing from a white supremacist that anybody could ever be. I'm really (ticked) off, ya know."

Forget him.
http://runaked.com/forums/archives/topic/1375-1.html

The guy also has a tattoo of a wagon burner on his arm.

Forget him.
http://runaked.com/forums/archives/topic/1375-1.html

Ah, I knew there was something up. Thanks for the word.

I listened to a Streamer (software) rave radio station at link below and it seemed to work just fine. One of these informative pages does note, however, that of the two systems, Peercast can also broadcast audio files encoded in the Ogg Vorbis format.

Who knows what the reaction might be to racist content. I expect they'd leave us alone, even though Streamer does offer a non-free commercial version. Additionally, Streamer lists the stations using its software...and besides- at this stage, VNN and VNNF really are technically not commercial anyway.

Two P2P clients, PeerCast and Streamer, are exactly that. Without the need to have your own dedicated server, these programs let you stream audio files to other users on a P2P network. Essentially, you can run your own Internet radio station whenever you start up your computer and get online.

...Both stream MP3 files..

There's only one man to blame for Streamer: Iain McLeod of Warrington, U.K., who describes himself as a "self-employed computer game creator." Lately, however, the 39-year-old has been finding himself working more on Streamer, a program which he unabashedly describes as "pirate radio for the digital age" and admits that he created it in response to the music industry's recent efforts to shut down Internet radio stations over royalty payments.

But the two men both feel that their programs can help music artists get their work heard outside of traditional radio broadcasting. "I think it's important for developers to work on constructive projects that help artists and listeners at the same time, rather than just allowing people to rip off their work," says Goddard.

http://www.openp2p.com/pub/a/p2p/2002/09/24/p2pradio.html

Peer to peer broadcasting tech info sources-
http://www.streamerp2p.com/index.php?page=broad.htm
http://www.streamerp2p.com/index.php?page=biz.htm

7 web pages of streamerp2p radio stations-
http://www.streamerp2p.com/
Hal Turner network type central server(s) system-
http://www.streamerp2p.com/sgrph/conv2.gif
Planned VNN Radio station system-
http://www.streamerp2p.com/sgrph/tree2.gif
http://www.streamerp2p.com/index.php?page=moreinfo.htm
Streamer on the other hand forms a network that looks more like the image directly above. The listeners relay the stream on to more listeners, and the broadcast server only needs to send the stream to a few of them, so needs less bandwidth. There is no theoretical limit to their number because there is always spare bandwidth at the edges of the network. Each listener must have enough upload bandwidth to relay the stream of course or the distribution tree can't form.
The network/tree gradually shuffles it's connections around, bringing the higher bandwidth relays closer to the broadcast source to act as a backbone, with all the low bandwidth / modem users on the outer edges of the network.

Listeners disconnect politely when they leave, waiting for their downstream clients to find alternate sources before disconnecting them. There is also a large internal buffer to cope with the upstream source vanishing unexpectedly, and it also masks temporary net congestion.
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http://p2p-radio.sourceforge.net/documentation/broadcasting/index.php.en
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Download Peercast here-
http://www.peercast.org/

Peercast Forums-
http://www.peercast.org/forum/

Peercast FAQ's-
http://www.peercast.org/wiki/wakka.php?wakka=FrequentlyAskedQuestions

For a while, I was testing StreamerP2P as a way of distributing WN talk radio that wouldn't require large bandwidth upgrades. One little not-well-documented feature of StreamerP2P is that any station that introduces itself to the yellow pages is connected to by the 'backbone' servers so that whoever runs the servers at the trunk of the tree can listen in.

One happened to be the programmer himself,who responded to my broadcasting of various WN programs by Frank Weltner,David Duke and the Metzgers by blocking me from broadcasting..I'm not quite sure how.

StreamerP2P's web boards also have complaints about "hate radio" on them,and exhortations for people to report people broadcasting "hatecore" on their network.

Peercast's directory,however says explicitly that people should practice self censorship by tuning into another station.

Just for political reasons,I'd recommend Peercast over Streamer.

I've run both for a short time,and Peercast works fine when relaying the stream from a Shoutcast streaming audio server like I use for my little station.

What are the security implications? I remember Metzger using shoutcast, and I never, using either a HS or Dialup connection, could get it to stop buffering. This is based on the same tech as shoutcast correct?

What are the security implications? I remember Metzger using shoutcast, and I never, using either a HS or Dialup connection, could get it to stop buffering. This is based on the same tech as shoutcast correct?

Peercast is an open-source project that just has a similar name to Shoutcast...and can use some of the same software to broadcast.

I'm not sure why you had buffering problems. Do you have the same problem trying to listen to my station? I can usually listen to Shoutcast servers just fine using Winamp,Windows Media Player, XMPlay and CoolPlayer on Windows platforms on both dialup (33.6K modem) and DSL.
What player and operating system are you using? I might be able to help you with that problem.

One other thing:

How long ago was Terrible Tommy using Shoutcast?

Earlier versions did have problems with DoS vulnerabilities; obviously we 'racists' need to be concerned about that.

MidnightStar14, so in general, you are suugesting that Peercast is better for us than Streamer because the latter had shut down your racist broadcasts?

Why couldn't we try both more or less simultaneously to see what happens? Just a brief experiment.

We'd test to see if we are cut off, and how severe the buffering problems are. When I listened to the rave station for 45 minutes or so, there were a few dropouts in the signal- but only for a seconnd or two. Even if a guy were recording, I can't see how it is an unacceptable problem, given the tradeoff of using our many online computers as broadcasters in the network. I mean, it's better than having to habe massive central serving with associated costs. If the music and propaganda content is good, the people will come.

As for Streamer, couldn't we go online without listing ourselves in the Streamer radio station database? If we were lowkey...maybe we could get in under the wire. We'd get the tech experience and sooner or later, other streaming p2p's will come.

MidnightStar14, so in general, you are suugesting that Peercast is better for us than Streamer because the latter had shut down your racist broadcasts?

Why couldn't we try both more or less simultaneously to see what happens? Just a brief experiment.

We'd test to see if we are cut off, and how severe the buffering problems are. When I listened to the rave station for 45 minutes or so, there were a few dropouts in the signal- but only for a seconnd or two. Even if a guy were recording, I can't see how it is an unacceptable problem, given the tradeoff of using our many online computers as broadcasters in the network. I mean, it's better than having to habe massive central serving with associated costs. If the music and propaganda content is good, the people will come.

As for Streamer, couldn't we go online without listing ourselves in the Streamer radio station database? If we were lowkey...maybe we could get in under the wire. We'd get the tech experience and sooner or later, other streaming p2p's will come.

The community around Streamer is small enough to where itz not really possible to be low-key. Maybe when it gets really popular,it may work out for us (I'm sure the people who run the Shoutcast yellow pages site aren't really pro-WN but they have too many stations to watch over to bother with me).

There really isn't a technical problem to running both Streamer and Peercast as relay servers off of a conventional stream server.

In the configuration for Streamer, there is a file called "seeds.txt" that contains IP addresses for servers that would be the trunk of the tree in the P2P topology. Replace those with our servers running StreamerP2P and we could exercise more control over our broadcasting network, but I didn't see an option in the program that forces the software to keep from announcing itz presence to the Streamer yellow pages. Until I find out exactly how I was cut off and how to prevent that, the software and network I don't know will cut me off is preferable to the software and network that already has a repuation for muzzling racialist content.

MidnightStar14, I just tried to play your Shoutcast station; I cannot. The first time it offered me the choice to use the web to get right player. I got taken to MS site and was offered Windows Nullsoft or something like that. Didn't feel like downloading, so went back and tried to simply associate file to Windows Media Player manually. Now, everytime I try agina- WMP tries to ope it, but it quicly says "wrong association" or something.

Chain,you're running XP right?

Try opening an URL of http://radiowhiteaustin.hopto.org:8000/ .

Yes, XP. When I click the above link, I am taken to your green colored webpage. Then the only option is to try the first click I made. And as I have now mis-associated the file to Windows Media Player (I have never been able to figure how to UN mis-associate such errors of mine)...well, again, nothing happens 'cept the error message of wrong file association with my guessed "file opener".

Next time, I'm buying Mac- what I started out on in 96.

Eh?????

If you're typing in my URL with a port number of 8,000, you should *not* be getting the homepage.. :confused: That link,if you just clicked on it should've taken you to the black-and-red "Shoutcast D.N.A.S. Status" page.

Did you enter that into your browser or into the "Open URL" dialog in Windows Media Player?

Even if you entered it into the browser,you should've first popped up on a black and red page - "Shoutcast D.N.A.S. Status". The stream URL link would go to my main page,but the "Listen" link on that page is the same as the "Listen Live" link on the main page. Why couldn't Microsoft make their stuff compatible with everyone else???? :mad:

Manually opening http://radiowhiteaustin.no-ip.org:8000/ in Windows Media Player brought it up on my version of WMP (version 8, what this OS came with I think).

File associations can be reached by going to "Tools" on any file explorer menu,picking "Folder Options", then clicking on the tab for File Types.

The system probably associated WMP with a file type of PLS; one of the playlist types common amongst the freeware mp3 players. Anything with the little wMP icon next to it in the list of 'registered file types' is something you want to check on.

Even Hal's old network and Resistance Radio would sometimes get overloaded or something. Sometimes Windows Media would work- then you'd have to try Real Player- something like that.

I still haven't been able to get Byron's new package to play. Not even one time.

So this is another crux of the problem. When we put up two or three or four options to try and get the thing to play- at least one of 'em oughta work most of the time. Otherwise, people get discouraged and frustrated rather quickly.

As I was saying, the Streamer wave station kicked up for me first time. Maybe I'll go back and try again. Hey, I wish DJ88 or somebody would come up with some racist rave stuff- it's not half bad, some of it.

MidnightStar14, I wish you'd get into direct phone contact with Stan and work on VNN radio. I did see Stan was asking about p2p softwares; that's why I looked them up. Stan is quite busy for VNN almost all the time, so if you already know all this, perhaps you and he could expedite the project with a few phone calls.

Forget my trying to hit your station for the time being. Afraid that is a lost cause. Glad some people are tuning you in without problems.

Well,if you wanted to download it, Winamp is generally a much better player for audio applications. I'll keep poking around though-once I figure out M$'s playlist format,I can make a link for Windows Media users to tune in.

I assumed everyone upgraded to something better...silly me. :o

Downloaded Winamp. Have it on my Sony with a fine industrialized "Borg" skin, but didn't on this computer. Still can't get your site to work...saw your post there...but will try over time.

We must get VNN radio to work hassle free, and offer a few quick ways to try, if at all possible.

An example of yet another format so that we can offer multiple pumpable formats off VNN:
-A $27.77 ebook in pdf.
http://www.podcastsecretsrevealed.com/?*

Details About Podcasting
Before podcasting, internet radio listeners had to tune in to scheduled programs or retroactively search for individual broadcasts to download.

Podcasts offer the unique feature of being delivered automatically to subscribers, right into their media playing device with auto synching to their media player, which means...(sorry for the "geek speak") the content file, which is an mp3 audio file, will get "dropped" right into an ipod (mp3 playing device by Apple), through their itunes (the software developed my Apple to move files into the ipod) synching software. And incase you are wondering, podcasts don't play on just ipods, but on ALL mp3 media players.

"Podcasting" sounds like a winner, Chain. Tons of whiggers who need to hear our message; probably more than anyone, with 'iPods' out there!

One other thing:

How long ago was Terrible Tommy using Shoutcast?

Earlier versions did have problems with DoS vulnerabilities; obviously we 'racists' need to be concerned about that.

I believe it was back in 02/03, not sure though. DoS could very well be the reason. Firewalls are getting better at protecting against DoS though, that's why I like the colo idea, but we should use other methods too.


CHAIN: What a coincidence! I've been researching the podcasts and so far it looks very promising. Maybe have the main broadcast come out of the colo site and rebroadcast on podcast? An idea...