Smart white people make their own computers.

http://www.anus.com/zine/news/1002.html

Total spam.

But that seems to be your stock in trade. :)

How difficult is it to put these home computers together? You have to be a computer nerd, right? Or is it, as they say, "So easy, even dad can use it!"

FBI Frustrated by Mac Users:

Well, it finally happened. Right before Christmas, I had a little visit from the FBI. That's right: an agent from the Federal Bureau of Investigation came to see me. He had some things he wanted to talk about. He stayed a couple of hours, and then went on his way. Hopefully he got what he wanted. I know I did.

Let me explain. I teach technology classes at Washington University in St. Louis, a fact that I mentioned in a column from 22 October 2003 titled, "Joe Average User Is In Trouble". In that column, I talked about the fact that most ordinary computer users have no idea about what security means. They don't practice secure computing because they don't understand what that means. After that column came out, I received a lot of email. One of those emails was from Dave Thomas, former chief of computer intrusion investigations at FBI headquarters, and current Assistant Special Agent in Charge of the St. Louis Division of the FBI.

[SNIP]

Some surprises

Dave had some surprises up his sleeve as well. You'll remember that I said he was using a ThinkPad (running Windows!). I asked him about that, and he told us that many of the computer security folks back at FBI HQ use Macs running OS X, since those machines can do just about anything: run software for Mac, Unix, or Windows, using either a GUI or the command line. And they're secure out of the box. In the field, however, they don't have as much money to spend, so they have to stretch their dollars by buying WinTel-based hardware. Are you listening, Apple? The FBI wants to buy your stuff. Talk to them!

Dave also had a great quotation for us: "If you're a bad guy and you want to frustrate law enforcement, use a Mac." Basically, police and government agencies know what to do with seized Windows machines. They can recover whatever information they want, with tools that they've used countless times. The same holds true, but to a lesser degree, for Unix-based machines. But Macs evidently stymie most law enforcement personnel. They just don't know how to recover data on them. So what do they do? By and large, law enforcement personnel in American end up sending impounded Macs needing data recovery to the acknowledged North American Mac experts: the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. Evidently the Mounties have built up a knowledge and technique for Mac forensics that is second to none.

(I hope I'm not helping increase the number of sales Apple has to drug trafficers.)
http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/215




Intel CEO Recommends "something else" Besides Windows for Security:

Paul Otellini, the new CEO of Intel Corp., showed off a number of whizzy demonstration products and discussed a number of innovative uses for his company's chips, from desktops for the Chinese market to WiMax, which would offer much broader "hotspots" for wireless access. But consumers will have to be patient.

[SNIP]

Pressed about security by Mr. Mossberg, Mr. Otellini had a startling confession: He spends an hour a weekend removing spyware from his daughter's computer. And when further pressed about whether a mainstream computer user in search of immediate safety from security woes ought to buy Apple Computer Inc.'s Macintosh instead of a Wintel PC, he said, "If you want to fix it tomorrow, maybe you should buy something else."
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/0,,SB111684809888140520-CB7pf4gh1ZaQ3oF44a0sjw8dJXY_20060524,00.html?mod=tff_main_tff_top




Respected Security Guru Fed Up w/Wintel -- Switches to Mac:

This is my first column written on a Mac - ever. Maybe I should have done it a long time ago, but I never said I was smart, just obstinate. I was a PC bigot.

But now, I've had it. I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.

In the coming weeks I'm going to keep a diary of an experiment my company began at 6 p.m. April 29, 2005 - an experiment predicated on the hypothesis that the WinTel platform represents the greatest violation of the basic tenets of information security and has become a national economic security risk. I do not say this lightly, and I have never been a Microsoft basher, either. I never criticize a company without a fair bit of explanation, justification and supportive evidence.

I have come to the belief that there is a much easier, more secure way to use computers. After having spent several years focusing my security work on Ma, Pa and the Corporate Clueless, I also have come to the conclusion that if I'm having such security problems, heaven help the 98% of humanity who merely want a computer for e-mail and multimedia.

Even though I'm a security guy going on 22 years now, my day-to-day work is pretty much like everyone else's. I live on laptops and use my desktops at home and the office for geeking and experimenting. My two day-to-day laptops (two, for 24/7 backup) are my business machines. I don't need them to do a whole lot - except work reliably, which is why I am fed up with WinTel.

I want my computer to function every time I turn it on. I want my computer to not corrupt data when it does crash. I use a handful of applications: Microsoft Office, e-mail, browser, FTP client and some multimedia toys. Regardless of format, they should work without crashing.

I live on the 'Net. I do not want my browser to eat up all of my memory. In the WinTel world I need an assortment of third-party tools to try to keep my PC alive. That's just crazy.

Why does WinTel have these problems? I have heard all sorts of explanations, and I don't subscribe to any of them. I've come up with my own (hopefully rational) reasons WinTel will fail - and has to fail:

Windows is complex, trying to be everything to everyone. This complexity comes at a terrible price: downtime, help desks, upgrades, patches and the inevitable failures.

When a new operating system or service pack is released, there are tons of changes to the functionality.

WinTel machines use different versions of BIOS. They are not all equal, nor do they all have the same level of compatibility.

Some Windows software applications are well written; others take shortcuts. Shortcuts may work in some environments, but not all, and ultimately the consumer pays in lost time, availability and productivity.

Hardware. There are hundreds of "WinTel-compatible" motherboards, each claiming to be better than the next. Whatever.

Memory. Not all RAM is equal. Some works well. Cheap stuff doesn't.

Hard disks. Same problem: cheap or reliable. Your call.

Here's my answer to the WinTel problem: We need an open Simple Operating System (SOS) that meets the needs of the majority of people who buy PCs for everyday home and enterprise tasks. Get rid of the complexity and simplify the interface between SOS, BIOS and hardware. In other words, KISS. You know what it means. KISS SOS.

Because SOS doesn't exist yet, my company has given up on WinTel. We have successfully moved to Mac in less than two days. Think about it: a security-friendly alternative that works and doesn't require gobs of third-party utilities to safely perform the most mundane tasks. Please follow the details of our experiment at securityawareness.blogspot.com. It's already way more interesting than I thought it would be.
http://www.networkworld.com/columnists/2005/052305schwartau.html

I have some serious doubts about this claim. After all, the Mac OS is essentially a Unix system.

It may have something to do with the "Big Endian" method of data addressing used by Mac's (basically, data types are stored either from least significant (little endian) or most significant (big endian) bytes, in the former the lowest memory address is used first, in the latter the highest is used). Or maybe they just aren't as familiar with the OS. The Mac OS *IS* more secure than the wintel platform.

Still, I doubt it. PowerPC's, and most old big iron systems use Big Endian and many long used file formats also store information this way so it is a well known issue.

I would venture a guess that this is simply government disinformation. Why would and FBI agent give out information like that? Be suspicious anytime the government seems to make a show of weakness.

-Brian

It may have something to do with the "Big Endian" method of data addressing...
-Brian

"It is allowed on all Hands, that the primitive Way of breaking Eggs before we eat them, was upon the larger End: But his present Majesty's Grand-father, while he was a Boy, going to eat an Egg, and breaking it according to the ancient Practice, happened to cut one of his Fingers. Whereupon the Emperor his Father, published an Edict, commanding all his Subjects, upon great Penalties, to break the smaller End of their Eggs. The People so highly resented this Law, that our Histories tell us, there have been six Rebellions raised on that Account;... It is computed that eleven Thousand Persons have, at several Times, suffered Death, rather than submit to break their Eggs at the smaller End. Many hundred large Volumes have been published upon this Controversy: But the Books of the Big-Endians have been long forbidden..."

Jonathan Swift's Gulliver's Travels

Big Endian/Small Endian is an insignificant detail of an operating system. An average programmer can, in about five minutes, write the code to convert between the two.

Macs are more secure for two reasons.

1. Apple, unlike Microsoft, has taken security seriously from the beginning.

2. Macs are still a little below the radar for hackers. It simply is not worth their effort to write the code.

Enkidu

How difficult is it to put these home computers together? You have to be a computer nerd, right? Or is it, as they say, "So easy, even dad can use it!"
Hardware isn't that hard to put together. It's pretty str8 4ward. You only have to watch out for compatibility between certain components, sound cards being the most notorious of them. A motherboard has to comply to your systems bios, though.
Best to ask a computer Nerd about the rest :D

Anyone care to comment on the claim (by Mac reps) that no known virus has crashed a Mac HD?

It is not quite true. I have owned Macs since early 1984: Original 128K Mac, Mac Plus, Mac LCIII, a small laptop, an iMac DV, and my current G5 iMac. I have also owned a few Windows machines. I despise Windows and Linux. I am not overly fond of any form of Unix. Fortunately the Mac hides its BSD Unix well.

Anyway, back about 1986 I got a virus on my Mac plus off a removal disk. Currently there is no know virus, spy ware, or ad ware that can infect a Mac. A Mac can receive a virus in Mail, but (so far) the virus will remain dormant. If the mail is sent to a Windows machine from the Mac it will infect the Windows machine.

This will last until some energetic hacker decides to write mal ware for the Mac. I'm sure it will eventually happen.

Hackers write mal ware for several reasons, and the Mac has not attracted their attention yet.

1. Financial reasons. --- The Mac user base is too small for this.

2. Rightious anger against the Man. --- Microsoft, not Apple; Gates, not Jobs.

3. Pure Vandalism. --- Not enough impact to justify the effort.

To be fair, I am told that the Mac is inherently more resistant to hacking, but I haven't the computer expertise to believe or disbelieve. Nor do I have the desire to develop the expertise. I worked as an engineer for 32 years and had to program computers from time to time. I never enjoyed it. I have a BA in Math (Math was once considered a liberal art.) and a BS in Physics, unrequited graduate work in Engineering. I'd rather do the engineering and let someone else do the programming. As far as messing with Operating Systems, I'd be less bored watching dogs sleep.

This may describe the real difference between Mac adherents and Windows/Unix adherents. I just want to turn the computer on and use it, then turn it off. I don't play with computers anymore than I would play with a toaster. Just give me my toast and leave me alone. Just let me do my banking, read the news, read the VNN forum, and leave me alone.

Enkidu

You're pretty computer savvy, KLM. What do you think about this Schwartau buzz about Macs being safer than PC's?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1412550/posts


That's one of the stories I referenced above. You can read the details on his blog:
securityawareness.blogspot.com


Anyone care to comment on the claim (by Mac reps) that no known virus has crashed a Mac HD?

Where'd you hear that claim? There are a few known virii for Mac platforms -- more for the obsolete OS 9 and lower than for OS X, but they rarely wreak much havoc on the system. The biggest virus-like threat on the Mac are MS Word macro virii, and MS Office X (Microsoft's Mac business unit (http://mactopia.com) actually produces some good software) warns me if a file contains a macro and gives me the choice of disabling it.

Here's a bit more info on the virus threat for Macs:
Your article, and Mr. Cluley's statements in particular, perpetrate a myth regarding the fallibility of *NIX [Unix-based operating systems] when compared to Microsoft Windows," said Burt Janz, a senior software engineer who is president and owner of CCS New England, a computer-services provider in Nashua, N.H.

Janz has developed in all the major operating systems -- Windows, Unix, IBM Corp.'s OS/2, as well as OS X.

While creating a Mac OS X virus is not impossible, Janz said, "the degree of difficulty here is at least 9.5 on a scale of 1 to 10."

Even harder is creating a virus or worm that could access the OS X system. The reason, Janz and several others pointed out, is in part explained by how Unix-based systems handle multiple users on the same machine.

For instance, Mom, Dad and Sis all can have separate user accounts. This also is true of Windows. But in OS X, only an account with administrator privileges can install software -- and even those accounts cannot access or change applications or data in other accounts, especially not the core of the system software.

Furthermore, only a user with "root"-level permissions has full access to the system, but Apple has this access disabled by default. Most users never will go to the trouble of figuring out how to enable the root user, and don't need to -- as nothing a regular user would want to do requires root-level authority.

Denied such access, the damage that any OS X malware could do becomes limited to the account of the user who runs it.

In other words, even if Dad got hit with an OS X virus that wiped out all his data -- and, remember, no OS X viruses presently exist -- the Mac still would operate, and Mom's and Sis's stuff on it would be untouched.

Also, because OS X always asks the user to type an administrator password before modifying anything in the system, attempts to install malware or alter system files immediately would be flagged.

"The virus would have to be an application," said Alan Dail, an independent senior software engineer in Wooster, Ohio. "You'd have to see that it's an application and make a conscious decision to run it for it to actually do anything."

Windows, the programmers said, has no such protections.

The software allows many tasks to execute themselves in the background without the users' permission or knowledge. This maximizes malware's ability to do harm. And, unlike the Mac OS, a user account with administrative privileges on a Windows machine can wreak catastrophic damage to data, programs -- or the system itself.

"Any misbehaving task under Windows is capable of modifying any [non-running program] anywhere on the system," Janz said. "And, when that [executable] file is run, bad things will absolutely happen."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/technology/custom/pluggedin/bal-mac082803,0,1353478.column

You're pretty computer savvy, KLM. What do you think about this Schwartau buzz about Macs being safer than PC's?

Thanks for inflating my ego, but I'm actually a retard :)
I always hated the Apple, because it seemed to make it difficult in entering controversial sites. Perhaps, computers running on that system could get set up to block certain sites easier.
I heard that only Microsoft programmed computers were fallible to viruses, while Linux programmed computers were immune. I tried printing my flyers, using a Linux driven computer, but it seemed that the functions were hidden back worse than with Windows

I always hated the Apple, because it seemed to make it difficult in entering controversial sites. Perhaps, computers running on that system could get set up to block certain sites easier.

:confused:

No idea what you're talking about.

I heard that only Microsoft programmed computers were fallible to viruses, while Linux programmed computers were immune. I tried printing my flyers, using a Linux driven computer, but it seemed that the functions were hidden back worse than with Windows

All computers are vulnerable to virii; it's just that some are more vulnerable than others.

Linux is awesome for tech nerds. As a matter of fact, I have my iMac partitioned so that I can boot into OS X or Yellowdog Linux (http://yellowdoglinux.com/) (they also sell Macs with Linux pre-installed (http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/apple/)). Still, Linux just isn't ready for the average user (or they aren't ready for it). OS X is BSD (Unix), so you get the stability of a *nix system with the smooth, standardized, intuitive user interface that Linux lacks.

:confused: No idea what you're talking about.

I haven't the slightest idea, either
Still, Linux just isn't ready for the average user (or they aren't ready for it)
I was under the impression that none of them were ready for the average user

I haven't the slightest idea, either

Well, we're agreed then. :)

I was under the impression that none of them were ready for the average user

Some are more ready than others.

Been using Mac OSX for about 3 years... Restarts due to a crash? ZERO!

On the fly automatic logout encryption of my HD is a nice touch too!

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/01q2/macos-x-final/images/macosx-box-big.gif

http://jodok.muellers.ms/linuxppc/images/powerbook-front.jpg

What is your opinion on Mac recently announcing their upcoming switch to Intel chips? Do you think that could compromise OS X's reputation as the most secure OS?

Been using Mac OSX for about 3 years... Restarts due to a crash? ZERO!
Have you upgraded to Tiger yet? If not, consider it. I loved Panther, and I love Tiger even more.

I wonder if communist countries have their own system of PC's, or if North Korea and China just copy Windoze without paying.

What is your opinion on Mac recently announcing their upcoming switch to Intel chips? Do you think that could compromise OS X's reputation as the most secure OS?


No reason it should. Also, rumor has it that they're going to be using the Trusted Platform Module chip to ensure that the OS only runs on Apple hardware.

Have you upgraded to Tiger yet? If not, consider it. I loved Panther, and I love Tiger even more.


Do you use Dashboard? I haven't gotten much out of it.

Do you use Dashboard? I haven't gotten much out of it.
I looked at it when I first installed Tiger, but I never really used it, and I'd actually forgotten that it was there until you mentioned it. The calculator might come in handy once school starts back up though.

Mac uses a Mac? Oh, that's just too pat.
All Bill Gates has to do, to ruin R. Mac's life, is to rename the product "Kike O'SEX" with a big K on the package

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/Tuerkenjaeger/holenolte.gif

Do you use Dashboard?...
If she's actually so overweight, as she tells us, this could have been the result of using an unpadded one, during a car accident.
A re-arranged face usually causes depression which leads to overeating

:eek:

I looked at it when I first installed Tiger, but I never really used it, and I'd actually forgotten that it was there until you mentioned it...
If the topic were to be changed from this one to man-woman relationships, I would say this quote would originate from many women, regardless of if he's called "Tiger" or not
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/Tuerkenjaeger/holenolte.gif

Have you upgraded to Tiger yet? If not, consider it. I loved Panther, and I love Tiger even more.

Nope... still on panther.

I looked at it when I first installed Tiger, but I never really used it, and I'd actually forgotten that it was there until you mentioned it. The calculator might come in handy once school starts back up though.


The only widget I've really made much use of so far is the translation tool, which is pretty cool. Yeah, I guess the calculator could come in handy, too. There are lots of new widgets coming out, though, so maybe it'll become more useful.

1) Been using Mac OSX for about 3 years... Restarts due to a crash? ZERO!

2) On the fly automatic logout encryption of my HD is a nice touch too!

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/01q2/macos-x-final/images/macosx-box-big.gif

http://jodok.muellers.ms/linuxppc/images/powerbook-front.jpg

1) Same here - Windows XP and onward is rock solid. It also tends to function on the software level without constantly quitting apps, and a well-made Windows box seems to outlast any Mac in the book.

Of course, Mac fanatics also claimed this about older Macs, which makes them from my experience insane. And plenty goes wrong with OS X, as my friends who work Apple tech support can tell you in abundance.

2) Try PGPdisk or similar program.

What is your opinion on Mac recently announcing their upcoming switch to Intel chips? Do you think that could compromise OS X's reputation as the most secure OS?

It's actually not all that secure. When you have 2% market share, no one's gunning for you.

Re: Apple's switch - oh, you mean those years of "the PPC chips are faster" propaganda was lies? From Apple? Shocked, I am.

I don't like supporting Apple for the following reasons:
1) Scumbag consumer policies
2) Scumbag cultural policies
3) Tendency to lie about performance
4) Cultlike attitudes

Anyone who remembers what happened to the Amiga because of #4 won't be surprised at Apple's coming transfer from hardware maker to software seller.

Also, Steve Jobs is Jewish :)

1) Same here - Windows XP and onward is rock solid.

:rolleyes:

It also tends to function on the software level without constantly quitting apps,

Yeah, 'cause it's the OS that quits.

and a well-made Windows box seems to outlast any Mac in the book.

:rolleyes:

Of course, Mac fanatics also claimed this about older Macs, which makes them from my experience insane.

I used to replace my Windows boxes every two to three years. My PC from five years ago wouldn't run XP if you fed it MHz for breakfast. I bought a five year old iMac (Rev A) on eBay, updated the firmware, added a little RAM, and it runs OS X 10.4 with ease.

And plenty goes wrong with OS X, as my friends who work Apple tech support can tell you in abundance.

Interesting you should say that. I run an IT consulting firm -- strictly as a side business, mind you -- and I hold both MS and Apple certifications. I accommodate customers who want to go with either platform, but I tell them that if I design them a system, network, or "solution," I'll provide two year's on-site tech support for free if they go with Apple. No such offer with Windows; it's pay or pray. I can do this because I know that they're far less likely to call me for trouble with Apple products, and if they do it'll be less headache for me to fix.


2) Try PGPdisk or similar program.

Why should I have to purchase a third party app when OS X has the Filevault function built into the OS? It will also allow you to encrypt your home directory and save it as a disk image file for ease of backup.

It's actually not all that secure. When you have 2% market share, no one's gunning for you.

This myth has been debunked time and again. As a matter of fact, it was effectively debunked in some of the links I posted earlier in this very thread.

Re: Apple's switch - oh, you mean those years of "the PPC chips are faster" propaganda was lies? From Apple? Shocked, I am.

Nope. IBM either wasn't able or wasn't interested in producing a lower-temperature G5 chip for Apple's laptops, which are one of its hottest sellers right now outside the iPod. Their line of laptops is now running on G4s, but the desktops have gone to G5s, which give most x86 chips a run for their money. They wanted to keep making competitive laptops, so they went with a manufacturer who could produce a competitive chip that wouldn't burn the hell out of you when you touch that sweet titanium case.

I don't like supporting Apple for the following reasons:
1) Scumbag consumer policies

Such as? I've never been displeased with service, and I've even gotten free stuff.

Microsoft, on the other hand...

2) Scumbag cultural policies

Such as? Are you implying that the megalithic Windows "culture" isn't just as bad?

3) Tendency to lie about performance

Actual evidence of this?

4) Cultlike attitudes

You mean like the geeks who see a Mac and say, "That thing looks like a toy. Windows is the only real operating system, dude. How else am I gonna play friggin' Medal of Honor, dude!?!?!?!"

Also, Steve Jobs is Jewish :)

Are you telling me no one at Microsoft is jewish? Personally, I'm more concerned about some net-weirdo who flirts with two or three little buddies in a group called ANUS than I am Steve Jobs being jewish.

Conspiracy theory of the day.

Does that box send the subliminal message? Macom X perhaps?

Anyway I use Windows 98 and it crashes around 3 times per day. Many times it crashes right in the middle of a download. On the average it crashes about once every three hours or thereabouts. Sometimes it will crash 4 times straight before I can get it running properly.

My windows 95 was a bit more stable but it crashed a lot also.

I know it is time for a change.



http://arstechnica.com/reviews/01q2/macos-x-final/images/macosx-box-big.gif

If the topic were to be changed from this one to man-woman relationships, I would say this quote would originate from many women, regardless of if he's called "Tiger" or not
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/Tuerkenjaeger/holenolte.gif
Why would you think women would say things like that? :confused:

I don't like supporting Apple for the following reasons:
1) Scumbag consumer policies
2) Scumbag cultural policies
3) Tendency to lie about performance
4) Cultlike attitudes
At least when Apple releases an OS you don't have to go through the process of activating it. Also, I can install OS X on any of my Macs, and then put that harddrive in a different Mac and have it work just fine, with the exception being that I might need to update some drivers. With any Microsoft OS after 98, you cannot do that. Trust me, I know this, because I've tried it before. Sure, I know it's to prevent piracy :rolleyes:, but it's still annoying. Even if I had a legitimate copy of Windows that I obtained legally, if I were to get a new motherboard for my computer, my currently installed copy of Windows won't work, and I'll have to reinstall. That's just a pain in my ass that I don't need, especially I tend to switch my hardware around when I'm bored. And now that Microsoft has their nice little activation system in place, that can make it even more of a hassle.

Thanks, but no thanks. I'll keep my Macs.

Also, Steve Jobs is Jewish :)And Bill Gates isn't?

Either way, that doesn't matter. If it comes down to buying an unstable/unsecure OS from Bill Gates or buying a stable/secure OS from a jew, I guess I'll be buying from the jew.

Why would you think women would say things like that? :confused:
Not all women, but unfortunately, too many.
Here, anyway.
They seem to have gotten brainwashed into thinking only Shitskins are capable of giving them good sex, that they avoid Humans altogether. Except when they choose to hook up with a Viagra-pumped meal ticket who never got distracted by scantilly dressed sluts in college seminars

Anyway I use Windows 98 and it crashes around 3 times per day.
I really hope you get that fast internet connection.

Then you can download the free version of Windows XP, which is not only free, but also cannot be switched off by Bill Gates when he feels like it.

Buying Windos XP is like buying a car with a remotely controlled bomb in it, where the guy with the remote control is saying he promises not to blow up your car.

If I would be rich I would buy an Apple computer, but I am not.

If I would be rich I would buy an Apple computer, but I am not.
You don't need to be rich to get an Apple computer. There are plenty of good deals on them on Ebay. I myself have gotten 4 from there, and they all work great.

...I myself have gotten 4 from there, and they all work great.
If they're so good, how come you have such a high turnover in computers? What are you using them for that you've managed to croak 3, already?

If they're so good, how come you have such a high turnover in computers? What are you using them for that you've managed to croak 3, already?
I didn't croak any of them, they all still work perfectly. I just use different ones for different things, and I have some at my apartment and some in my room at my mother's house.

Do you and your mother have computers in front of your toilets?

Do you and your mother have computers in front of your toilets?
Can't say that we do. My mother has only one computer, and it is not a Mac. :mad: She's also rather computer illiterate. However, should I really feel the need to be online when I'm on the toilet, I can just take my laptop with me.

...should I really feel the need to be online when I'm on the toilet, I can just take my laptop with me.
What?! Now you've got a laptop? How many computers do you really own?
Give me numbers.
Give me names

What?! Now you've got a laptop? How many computers do you really own?
Give me numbers.
Give me names
I have three laptops. Let's see....

Windoze boxes: old IBM thinkpad (laptop #1), gateway, dell

Macs:
powerbook g4 1.3 ghz (laptop #2)
ibook g3 blueberry 300 mhz (laptop #3)
powermac g4 1.25 ghz
powermac g4 400 mhz
powermac g4 350 mhz
powermac g3 B&W 350 mhz
powermac g3 beige 233, overclocked to 333 mhz
powermac g3 beige 233 mhz
imac g3 blueberry 333 mhz
imac g3 (painted black) 333 mhz
powermac 8500 200 mhz
power computing 100/150 mhz (i can't remember which, it's at my mom's)


There. I think that's all of them.

Sounds like you're some sort of cyber messy with an unlimited bank roll.
No wonder you can't find every computer you own, under that pile, in your living room

Sounds like you're some sort of cyber messy with an unlimited bank roll.
No wonder you can't find every computer you own, under that pile, in your living room
Heh, I wish.

For most of those computers I either got at a really kickass deal (as in less than $50) or someone else bought them for me, or already had them and gave them to me. (Most of my friends know I'm a computer dork who actually collects old stuff, so they give me their old computers instead of tossing them out.)

If for some reason you feel like helping to add to my kickass collection of Macs, I'm looking for one of these:

http://apple-history.com/frames/images/models/imac_flat_down.jpg

Best I could do is some old HP 4 series laser printer heavy enough to use as a boat anchor

Ah well, I appreciate the thought. :D

If for some reason you feel like helping to add to my kickass collection of Macs, I'm looking for one of these:

http://apple-history.com/frames/images/models/imac_flat_down.jpg

Macs do have style, don't they?

Macs do have style, don't they?
They sure do. :D

I'll probably wait until those iMacs fall to under $150-100 before I grab one though. It sucks being broke. :(

They sure do.

I'll probably wait until those iMacs fall to under $150-100 before I grab one though. It sucks being broke.

Don't forget one of these to go with it...

http://raindesigninc.com/store/images/pics/igo_sitting_large_square.jpg

http://raindesigninc.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=28

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>Also, Steve Jobs is Jewish

is that true Steve Jobs is a jew ? :(

Apple sucks colossal nuts, always had. Their products are always designed with nothing but aesthetics in mind. The mac operating system is a backwards piece of work that blows ass. Also there is little point in purchasing a computer that can't play counter-strike. Hell, even linux can play counterstrike, and linux is free!

I built my computer from the ground up, only the finest hardware for me, bebbeh! Basically it's like this. If you can plug a power cord into the wall, you can build a computer. The majority of hardware installation is dealing with pci and molex. If you can grasp that you win.

I just got a new Mac (G-5) cuz my PC was always fucking up and more and more things didn't work right. And, I am sort of kind of weirdly in the movie trade and Macs are supposed to be better for editing. I've edited a lot on the PC and over the summer watched some editing on a Mac G-4 laptop and was damn impressed. Not only is the software better than Premiere, but it all went much faster too and not once did the computer freeze up or crash. It ALWAYS crashed when using Premiere on the PC.
Now I need to find me a copy of Final Cut Pro though...without spending the 500 bucks that they charge for it.
It does (the mac) seem to be designed for aesthetics...but it does work smoothly too.
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Windows is a virus magnet, that's for sure. I've never had any problems with mine whatsoever, regarding any program crashing or whatever. Particularly on my computer where hijacked merchandise is king :o