Here is an article I ran across while doing some research on living aboard boats.

http://www.macnaughtongroup.com/living.htm

There seems to be a lot of survival pluses to this lifestyle. Has anyone here tried it? Also there is a home schooling link in the article that might cater to Whites.

Go to www.loompanics.com or:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0898150515/002-4523773-5591222

BTW,

In Cuba if you have toliet paper and house paint you can barter weeks of food and loging depending on what you have and how much.

Fish hooks and nets are good in other locales.

Alas, Loompanics doesn't offer Sailing the Farm anymore... but they do still have this:

http://www.loompanics.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/cgi-local/smpagegen.exe?U+scstore+zhrh4546ff650e65+-p+-c+scstore.cfg+14205

Not for boaters but many good ideas. ;)

I have not tried it, but know someone who did for a number of years. He recommends a twin diesel trawler yacht of at least 30 feet for ocean-going trips. (I am not a sailer myself.) He lived on it with wife and one or two children and found they enjoyed going to different places where they could easily get skilled work for themselves. They caught fish, and could eat canned veggies when they were out to sea. Not a bad lifestyle under any circumstances.

Where I live you can buy a nice houseboat for around $20,000 and it costs about $100-200 a month docking fee. This includes electric and sewage. I don’t know about the seasickness but it is cheaper to live on one. You cannot have a garden and other outside features a house offers. It is perfect for apartment dwellers but for those of us that desire a lot of land it would be a nightmare.

There is another advantage if uncle Zoggy comes a knocking you could speed off to safety. Or in the living dead scenario you could be safe in the middle of a lake. Some think it is insane but I think the crash will be due to a virus or something similar like 28 Days or Warning sign.

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There is another advantage if uncle Zoggy comes a knocking you could speed off to safety. Or in the living dead scenario you could be safe in the middle of a lake. Some think it is insane but I think the crash will be due to a virus or something similar like 28 Days or Warning sign.

Think again about that. When warrants are served on people in boats the tend to contact the harbor authorities in anticipation of this. Not to mention it usually takes a couple minutes to fire up the engines and cast off. And then there is navigating channels, etc. lol

Now for folks avoiding civil process, as opposed to criminal, thats a more feasible idea.

One thing to consider...

If you go to Mexico and they find a gun on your boat you will go to jail and your boat confiscated... fuck that.

A lot of countries are anti gun and it's no telling how they would react to it. Granted you can hide them well but the amount of guns and ammo I'd take would be hard to hide.

I would not travel the seas w/o a few firearms. There really are pirates out there and walking around in the 3rd world w/o one is not for me. So it's almost a Catch 22 as to go or not.

I know in Chile it is easy for Americans to get guns and a citezenship too. I'd much rather live and boat there on that side of the world... less of the US Coast Guard and not much war.

I have flirted with the idea of living on a boat for awhile now, even though I first thought this idea wasn't very attractive.

Until recently, I've always been fond of the mountains, not the sea, but I suspect that not having any sea-time under my belt had something to do with it. Drowning is a possibility outside of the small boat on which I'd live. And to the millions of known and unknown life forms dwelling below the surface of the sea, which is to them what the sky is to us, I am but an appetiser, as helpless in their world as a beached whale is in ours. It's not hard to fall from or sink a boat, when hundreds of inlet feet turn to shallows in a blink of an eye, when high waves make standing on deck as hard as sitting on a cinched bull, and when the storms shout their claims to your life, so that you must use your noggin' and all your will to survive, like the well-respected fish that break your high-test lines and escape your nets. Better know how to fix engines and pumps, how to weld, how to sail.

It's daunting, yes. But better than alot of places. It's just as easy to die, I figure, on land or in the mountains. It's easy to take for granted the dangers of every day life, simply because we've learned to harness them.

I imagine no property taxes, not having to pay a bank an extra 70 thousand dollars in interest on a mortgage loan, and subsisting freely off of the sea. I imagine not having a nigger living next door, and possessing the truest form of freedom existing right now. I imagine fishing to cover fuel, maintenance, harbor and and other subsistence expenses, while squirreling away the rest of my fishing profits for retirement. I imagine seeing the world at my own leisure, and giving in to wanderlust.

That idea appeals more and more to me.

Beats working on an oil rig... ;)

I know in Chile it is easy for Americans to get guns and a citezenship too. I'd much rather live and boat there on that side of the world... less of the US Coast Guard and not much war.

I second Chile, land or sea, and Argentina.

Argentina-97% White. Looks pretty good to me!
CIA world factbook-Argentina (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ar.html)

My long-term plan is to move to Argentina—but as far away from expats as possible. Not thinking big, either; a few hectares on which to hide. If only one could find serious people to discuss pooling money with, a bigger project would be possible. Ultimately that is what should be done.

This strange little property is under $13k:
http://www.alvearmendoza.com.ar/pagua150/pagua.htm

How beautiful this one is!
http://www.alvearmendoza.com.ar/raich/index.htm

http://www.alvearmendoza.com.ar/arbeloa/index.htm

31.75 acres (roughly) of very good land (12 hectares, and 700 meters), located at 12 kms from the city of General Alvear. (3 kms away from paved street). All the vines and trees mentioned below are in very good condition. 17,5 acre (7 hectare) vineyard (canopy trellis system) in full production, plus some empty land for more vines. 30 plum trees - 1 walnut tree 5 olive trees in full production - 10 peach trees - 16 apricot trees in full production - Caretaker’s house (regular condition, no roof) - Warehouse (Iron-sheet roof) - Complete irrigation rights - No working tools - Power connection (200 meters away from the property) - Estimated production: 100,000 kgs of grapes. - Estimated income: U$S 13,700 (in the domestic market).Cash price: U$S 20,700 (60,000 pesos)

You can't get something like that for $20k anywhere else in the world.

CHUBUT province is where the remaining Welsh are, by the way. It is in Patagonia.

Example of Welsh architecture:
http://www.buscainmueble.com/Web/images/fotos/46013170_50016_Foto3_20050628.jpg

This house is $40k. Anywhere else in the world, it would be $400k.

Looks like something Frodo would feel at home in, though! I mean it is just unreal. Look at the lake.

It's beautiful. Talk about a chalet. Well, that close to the south pole (Patagonia), you'd better be prepared for snowfall.

I personally would not want to live in Frodo's house, beautiful as it is. But I do want to live that far down—where Judah will never, ever go; and where, if it does, one can still shoot at it.
The terrain of Patagonia is more or less like that of the Eurasian steppe, so whoever lives there will get a real taste of what "environmental influences" shaped the Aryan race. Snow is good, anyway. I want snow. Better snow than niggers.
Imagine riding a horse in the morning instead of switching on your computer!

I think the writing is on the wall that the US will simply be untenable for Whites in fifteen or twenty years. Possibly less. Perhaps we should have our own exit strategy, "Our own fucking israel" as Von Boffmeister stated so pithily.

I feel it is untenable now. In the even pithier words of a friend, "Over, itz."

I will do the homework, starting tomorrow morning. When I have collected enough information, I will weave it into a little piece I wrote about moving en masse to Argentina. Or write a new one.

A few years ago I exhausted myself researching the rules for living in almost every nation on the Continent and in some far off. I didn't bother with South America, for some reason, though I did visit Costa Rica and Colombia—the latter is very nice, by the way.

I understand that employing three or more Argentines gets you instant residency.

That is a nice law. I hope that is the case.

I'm in on this moving to Argentina thing.

As long as we bring lots of lovely White women with us.

And, uh.... It'd be good if we brought a few people that know how to fly too.

I like the looks of it, but I need to learn some spanish myself. I've got a good handle on a couple of industrial trades and was trying to get a handle on the industrial climate but can find nothing in english. I hear the economy has been rough but I also hear that its pretty good here :rolleyes:

Thanks for the links

I'm in on this moving to Argentina thing.

As long as we bring lots of lovely White women with us.

You can be sure, like Romulus and his men, we will find ourselves short of women. Perhaps we could entice Argentine girls. Probably not. The fact is that Woman is dead; and what can we do with Womyn? Many here seem to be married, anyway. I would rather have married men, in such a venture. Single men, if they have not the spiritual resources - or hard work - to fall back on, tend to get grumpy when they don't have women. And what could you do, give each one a copy of De vita solitudine? I'm sure the matter could be solved, though—either by marrying into national families, importing Slavs, or just asking around among our "kameraden". My pm to HG concerned this, actually: I asked her what she would do if someone proposed that she join an expatriate WN community—would she take up her duty as a woman by breeding and doing certain minor, but vital, things like cleaning, knitting, etc.? I probably should have left that much out, but she did at least answer affirmatively, if somewhat captiously toward the "minor duties". The bottom line is that I don't want to see white men knitting or cleaning or rock-a-bye-babying. Like these fags: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4629631.stm
Also, Dutch girls. The Dutch are known for their communes. Someone could make a tour of these communes to scrape up good material. Anyone not consonant with our worldview would be sent along with a few pesos and no hard feelings. The main thing would be to get the whole machine moving in production—material and spiritual. If we set an example, people will want to come and stay. I would like any suggestions on what could be produced, apart from wine.

What I have in mind is in fact deliberately multi-national, in the European sense.

I'm talking into the air, I apologize.

I like the looks of it, but I need to learn some spanish myself.

Many Argentines seem to speak or understand Italian, if that helps. I myself only know Italian, but can understand Spanish. I taught myself what I know of both, and in my opinion as a lay-linguist, Italian is easier to learn.

I have heard from a reliable source that judah is presently buying land in Patagonia. It is a buyers market now and will not last, because the economy is not super strong right now = 300K jews, but it will inevitably rebound = 800K jews (that's what they used to have).

There is jewish buying of land going on in Chile and Argentina right now, count on it. An acquaintance of mine who travels to Chile every year dropped the most notorious jew surname in the world, as the owners of a huge vineyard in Chile.

Well. ... :(

Don't despair, despite their hedging, I don't see it as a jewish redoubt in the not too distant future. Not at all. The US perhaps, but not Argentina and Chile.

There are some serious WN Volks down there.

Like who? you know some personally? You don't have to use names, I would just like to know how these kameraden live.

In any case, large estates can be captured very easily; the guerrillas in central SA are the perfect example of determined rebels.

Don't despair, despite their hedging, I don't see it as a jewish redoubt in the not too distant future. Not at all. The US perhaps, but not Argentina and Chile.

There are some serious Volks down there.

Ah, you changed it to Volks, not WN Volks!

It just ruins my mood, you know. Hymen buys up all the property in the world. Then I think, "Our time would be better spent in killing Hymen."

Ruins my goddamn mood. I am going to bed.

Strengths:
large land area
relatively cheap
mostly European and educated population
a healthy degree of pro-White/European ethos amongst the people
due to horrid economy, may be welcoming to enterprising Americans moving
Carefree, enjoy life mentality of Mediteraneans
very good soccer team

Weaknesses:
horrid economy
more jews than any other South American country
widespread political corruption is normal and expected
horrid economy!

I know an Argentine girl who is here studying physics...nice young lady.
Young people who can are seeking to move away - USA, Spain, Italy.......
I was told young people are not very optimistic about Argentina's future.

I was in Buenos Aires in 2002....it is a very nice city for a place that large.
I do not know much about the rest of the country , but have not heard a bad thing as for its natural beauty and good natured people.
The food is fabulous and quite cheap.

An American with resources could live quite well in Argentina....as for an Argentine colony?
On paper it seems like a great idea. But the question is what industry/services do you wish to focus on to make income?

Couldn't we do the same thing in rural parts of the US without the complications of a new country, new laws, new language?
If you think Zog is corrupt, which it is, wait until you go to Argentina.

In the 1970s', approx. 50k people disappeared....it was a time that those in the WNist scene like to refer to as "the breakdown" or revolution.
Many people died at the hands of a govt. much more corrupt than you even want to think zog is.

I have been a longtime proponent of White colony building, Argentina has its positves no doubt.
But logistically a lot more complicated than it seems on paper.

http://www.stargazer.bz/

This is cool!

Strengths:
very good soccer team

I hope that was a joke.

Weaknesses:
horrid economy
widespread political corruption is normal and expected
horrid economy!


Both of these might be blessings in disguise. The corruption you are pointing to is of a different nature than ZOG, which the very epithet "ZOG" indicates. "Latin" American corruption is traditional corruption, as in Italy—shady connections, shady deals, infernal bureaucracy. . .more financial, in a word, not so much Old Nick in the form of Hymen whispering in El Presidente's ear, though I'm sure this happens, too.
A horrid economy, a weak government are both, to me, not repulsive features. The stronger a government is, and the better its economy, in short where the superstructure is more hygienic and smooth-running, the easier Hymen will have it in oppressing the population.

I was in Buenos Aires in 2002....it is a very nice city for a place that large.
I do not know much about the rest of the country , but have not heard a bad thing as for its natural beauty and good natured people.

I have heard on a few occasions, from Argentines, that BA is ugly. Also, it is sprawling, partially surrounded by shanty-towns.

An American with resources could live quite well in Argentina....as for an Argentine colony?
On paper it seems like a great idea. But the question is what industry/services do you wish to focus on to make income?

I already asked that question, below, or rather asked for suggestions. First to mind is wine of course, given that most of the properties are vineyard; but that is product, not industry. I really do not know. I imagine a few things would have to be done.

Couldn't we do the same thing in rural parts of the US without the complications of a new country, new laws, new language?

We could, but the point of this is to get out of America. Many people simply do not have any faith left in it, and with good reason.

In the 1970s', approx. 50k people disappeared....it was a time that those in the WNist scene like to refer to as "the breakdown" or revolution.
Many people died at the hands of a govt. much more corrupt than you even want to think zog is.

I should point out that this revolution was what Jews like to call a "far-right", militarist revolution. I would much rather a "Proceso de Reorganización Nacional" than, say, the "mini-kosher Woodstock" put on by protestors described in a local article on the late Yorktown NSM rally. All one need be to survive in such a political climate is a fanatical accomplice.

Can you guess which segment of the Argentine population was not so enthusiastic?

Argentina was under military rule between 1976 and 1983. During this period, Jews were increasingly targeted for kidnapping and torture by the ruling junta; about 1,000 of the 9,000 known victims of state terrorism were Jews. According to the Jerusalem Post, the Israeli government had a special agreement with the Argentine government to allow Jews arrested for political crimes to immigrate to Israel. Once the military’s power waned in Argentina, anti-Semitic attacks also declined.

as opposed to...

In 1983, Raul Alfonsin was democratically elected as president of Argentina. Alfonsin enjoyed the support of the Jewish population and placed many Jews in high positions.

[http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Argentina.html]

I have been a longtime proponent of White colony building, Argentina has its positves no doubt.
But logistically a lot more complicated than it seems on paper.

Yes, of course, and migrating to an unknown continent in big wooden boats was also rather more complicated in practice than on paper, but I can tell you right now that picking up and going to Argentina, today, would be much less hazardous than the former. What any enterprise boils down to in modern times is paperwork and manpower; thus the hardships of certain enterprises may truly be more complicated on paper than in practice. I view this as a considerable boon, I can't imagine why anyone else would not. Let us briefly examine these "complications". First the barriers of law: ownership, citizenship, licenses of whatever kind. Yet these are surely all obtainable, as foreigners most certainly do buy property there and live on it, in some cases acquiring citizenship, and some running businesses. Then the financial barrier: you gave the common line, "a white man of resources", or some such. This is precisely what pooling is to circumvent, the reliance on a mythical White Nationalist "man of means" to get our chestnuts out of the fire, though of course the man of means generally only pulls his own out. If you are against the idea of pooling, ok, read another thread. But that is the proposed method of acquiring property. Then the social barrier: meaning, who would contribute? who would be allowed? etc. Anyone allowed would necessarily be a contributor; a certain allowance would be made for financial interests; and those allowed boil down to: anyone who shares our worldview, is willing to learn basic Spanish or Italian, and is willing to settle down in the community, work toward its operation, and if necessary defend it with his life. Certain types would be barred of course—drug addicts, irreppressible perverts, loudmouthed feminists (though I doubt any would come!), "freaks", punks, obnoxious christers, etc. Anyone unwilling to drop bad habits would be barred; we could not bring all the vices of decadent America with us, meaning no "Hessian" forms of music of any kind, no piercings, no "Johnny Reb" attitudes or paraphernalia, etc. It could not be allowed to degenerate into a Summer camp or hangout for "skinz". Such trappings keep dissident whites firmly in the lap of absurdity and decadent americanism.
Moreover, harking back to the first complication, we might have a helping hand from the local Nationalist groups, if we can play our cards right—meaning have someone who can speak good Spanish and say the right things. The only group I know is the Partido Nuevo Triunfo. They are here: http://pnt.libreopinion.com/
The first article of their Programa I translate as follows:

We hold as fundamental priority the union of all Argentines in the higher cause of our nationality and sovereign existence. Only through the supportive and determined brotherhood of all nationals will be possible the liberty and revitalization of our nation, today reduced to a mere colony without destiny, enslaved by international usury, its highest values attacked, geopolitically amputated, and left defenseless against its historic enemies.

La usura internacional—code for Hymen.

A quick word:

Every time this sort of thing is discussed, someone creeps in and tries to prick the bubble.

I beg anyone with this intention to refrain and go elsewhere if they cannot offer positive (including valid critical) ideas.

I will gather all available information relating to this venture and present it sometime in the future. We will then see how complicated it really is. Until then, I do not believe anyone without first-hand knowledge of such a venture can speak of its true feasibility.

A quick word:

Every time this sort of thing is discussed, someone creeps in and tries to prick the bubble. .

Yes, I have been accused of such. I sometimes overstep my bounds and chime in with loose lips that sink ships.

I beg anyone with this intention to refrain and go elsewhere if they cannot offer positive (including valid critical) ideas.

No need to beg, sir! This most valid, living aboard boats thread is nothing short of astounding!!! Imagine the bewildering, stunning show of White achievement that we can muster living aboard boats!!! Those rascally jews have nothing on us!


I will gather all available information relating to this venture and present it sometime in the future. We will then see how complicated it really is. Until then, I do not believe anyone without first-hand knowledge of such a venture can speak of its true feasibility.

Thank god in heaven for THamilton!!!!! I await with baited breath all available information relating to this most important, complicated venture and the true feasibility of living on fuckin boats!

I hereby nominate TH as super moderator just for the sheer reason he has first hand knowledge of dinghies and makes Gilligan look like the Professor

I am glad you amuse yourself. I am making free use of "ignore" these days and have added both of you. This thread is obviously no longer about living on boats, which you are very pleased to allege to make a joke out of a decent idea. Enjoy your stay in Kwa. I am intent only on breaking out of it.

Steve B, shut the fuck up.

I am glad you amuse yourself. I am making free use of "ignore" these days and have added both of you. This thread is obviously no longer about living on boats, which you are very pleased to allege to make a joke out of a decent idea. Enjoy your stay in Kwa. I am intent only on breaking out of it.

I guess I'm assuming I am one of the "both of you" you put on your ignore list.
For the record, I wasn't trying to prick the bubble of this idea...there are positves and negatives of forming an Argentine colony.
But I think you should go. I think this might make you a happier individual....since you are an italian anyway, living with the guachos and other latins may be more your cup of tea.

Don't waste any more time. get a few other investors an buy a little place and move.
just go and do it.

good luck

p.s. yes, the soccer comment was a joke :rolleyes:

I like ignore.
I should just get the rest of the bunch out of the way so I am no longer troubled by their meddlesome peckings.

Citizenship laws first.

Source: http://www.dss.mil/
Findings:
ARGENTINA
CITIZENSHIP: (IPE) Argentine citizenship is based upon Argentine Citizenship Law #346.
BY BIRTH:
- Child born in the territory of the Republic of Argentina, except to accredited ministers of foreign powers registered in Argentina.
- Child born in Argentine Legations or warship.
- Child born in neutral waters on ships flying the Argentine flag.
BY DESCENT: Child born abroad to parents, both of whom are Argentine citizens.
BY NATURALIZATION: Argentine citizenship can be applied for in two ways:
- Person must reside within the Republic for at least two years.
- Person must have married an Argentine citizen. (This does not automatically confer citizenship, and spouse must still fulfill the two year residency requirement.)
DUAL CITIZENSHIP: NOT RECOGNIZED.
The Embassy of the Argentine Republic
Consular Section
1600 New Hampshire Ave., NW
Washington, DC 20009
Embassy Telephone: 202-238-6400
Consular Telephone: 202-238-6460/63/64
Fax: 202-238-6471

This is good news, if the information is current. Most Western countries "charge" a solid five years of legal residency before naturalization.

CHILE
CITIZENSHIP: (HCE) Information on the basis for Chilean citizenship law was not available.
BY BIRTH: Child born in the territory of Chile, regardless of the nationality of the parents. The exceptions are children of foreign diplomats or of transient foreigners.
BY DESCENT: Child born abroad, at least one of whose parents is a citizen of Chile, provided the person establishes a residence in Chile before the age of 21.
BY NATURALIZATION: Chilean citizenship may be acquired upon fulfillment of the following conditions:
- Person has resided in the country for at least five years.
- Person has shown proof of renunciation of previous citizenship.
DUAL CITIZENSHIP: NOT RECOGNIZED.

So, while Chile has the usual five years, the second clause indicates that one could simply renounce US citizenship. An expat's dream. No wonder Chile's expat community thrives.

As to gun laws. I assume only nationals may keep firearms in Argentina, though as we are not in Argentina, I can freely say that illegal firearms should be kept, and in case of discovery are not very hazarous, as one source states the following: "A person who deliberately gives up illegally kept firearms, ammunition or explosives, will be discharged from criminal responsibility." (http://www.research.ryerson.ca/SAFER-Net/regions/Americas/Arg_FY03.html) — How this would work with someone in residence on a visa, or a naturalized citizen, is unknown.
Firearm registration is necessary, but the procedure doesn't seem too lengthy, based really just on soundness of mind and stable lifestyle. Regulations are here, on Argentina's National Registry of Weapons website: http://www.renar.gov.ar/english/inicio.asp
I have emailed several Argentine gun dealers for exact information on firearms and foreigners.

This agency expedites visas and naturalization: http://www.argentinaresidency.com/index.htm

amusing footnote on the last link. they link to a blog for expats in argentina. i commented in the following thread:
http://expat-argentina.blogspot.com/2005/06/wow-lots-of-moral-relativists-here.html#comments

the subject is an entry about corrupt rental practice, i.e. changing the price to screw gringos. the author makes the highly moral "point" that in america, if someone did that to, say, a jewish couple, they would be reviled. so should it be in argentina. i pointed out to the no doubt jewish author that if he put up for sale a piece of real estate for $140k, and someone from the hilton family came to him to buy it, he might thinking twice about the price, which "becomes" low in relation to the hilton family. same for jews, who average larger bank accounts than gentiles. price-shifting is "capitalism".

anyway, it done got deleted n shiyit, and anonymous commens are now verboten.

I personally would not want to live in Frodo's house, beautiful as it is. But I do want to live that far down—where Judah will never, ever go; and where, if it does, one can still shoot at it.
The terrain of Patagonia is more or less like that of the Eurasian steppe, so whoever lives there will get a real taste of what "environmental influences" shaped the Aryan race. Snow is good, anyway. I want snow. Better snow than niggers.
Imagine riding a horse in the morning instead of switching on your computer!

Jews looted Argentina and then tanked the currency a couple years back. The Argentines were pissed and about a thousand Yidzim exited to Izrael. Argentina like all Hispanic nation-states is by culture anti-Jew, but in practice Jews infilt there easily. If they cant squirrel into polite society, they can always provide muscle and "important contacts" for narcotrafficantes. I dont think drug trafficking is a big factor in Chile or Argentina, but it is everywhere else in South America and central.

Costa Rica comes up a lot in bugout plans I discuss with people. Have y'all surveyed that place?

If we had the bucks we'd buy "Andorra."

if you guys want some reading material on this topic, here is a place to get you started.

http://www.offshorebible.com/PTBooks.html

Some of these theories are dated in the post-911 era. Banking regs are totally different now. Tax treaties are updated yearly. Read at your own risk.

Anyhow, you guys are free to fantasize, but the fight is here. If we lose in the USA we are sunk. Dont worry about bugging out to Timbuktu, if Whites cant make it here, it's kaput. Stand and fight.

Costa Rica comes up a lot in bugout plans I discuss with people. Have y'all surveyed that place?

I've been there, haven't "looked into it" though. What I saw was very depressing, I can't even recount it. Beaches and young ladies aside.

I've been there, haven't "looked into it" though. What I saw was very depressing, I can't even recount it. Beaches and young ladies aside.


Was it anything like the Aruba case?

Was it anything like the Aruba case?

No, I didn't see any of that. It was just overwhelming—the whole country seems to live on advertising. With my imperfect Spanish, I was looking all day for a bus station to take to Limon, but the locals would only say "Coca-Cola" and point in a certain direction. Turned out to be the COCA-COLA BUS STATION. Big, bright red buses with the logo splashed across the side.
It seems to be a crowded place with friendly people. The females are super-abundant and super-fertile. I tried flirting with a few, all about 15 or 16, and they were all married.
It is simply a lot to take in. The coasts however are relatively peaceful, and even the niggers (found mostly in Limon) are not so bad. I saw no miscegenites.

Sounds like the kind of american solipsism that makes the rest of the world contemptuous of us; the kind that Linder is always railing about on the main page.


Yea. Most people will always have the feeling that leaving America is like stepping off the Earth or castrating oneself. — Whereas being born in America often guarantees one an early date with the scalpel, in the form of circumcision. I was delivered into this world by a Jew, and part of my sexual organ was severed by a Jew. One must really cut the psychological umbilical cord holding one to Amurrica. You can have - or not have - guns in Argentina, too. I think a large, rambling migration by assorted Europids down to Argentina or Chile, accompanied by mass severance of American citizenship, would be a wonderful spectacle for the world: What's this? European-Americans—seeking refuge? If you've ever spoken with, say, Italians or East Europeans, you know they still have that starry-eyed "Land of Promise" syndrome going on re America, completely out of touch with reality. Actually, the entire world beyond Germany, right up to Japan, believes the most general myths about this country. Surely the migration would not be publicized very much, though any publicity would be cold water to the duped and an intriguing prospect to sober West Europeans; in fact, it would probably be discouraged or actively opposed on some pretext or another. But maybe not. I think it is a lot better than an NSM rally and passing out tabloids, no offense to Linder's work.

At some point, losses have to be cut and the ship abandoned. Don't take the metaphor too far; it's not really a ship, so you can't really go down with it. Besides, there is much to be said for "immigrant blood"; most of my family came here after 1900. Many of us are restless, not inclined to stick to a nation whose claim on us is, at best, a generosity. I would feel much more at home among the Italians and Spaniards of Argentina than the carnival going on here. I felt most at home, religiously at home, in a small church in southern Italy, every pew filled with dark-haired, well-groomed Italiots, though I am not even racially akin exactly.

The writing is on the wall as far as the military junta of the 70's, and I'm surprised - yet, not - that people evince it as a negative, as glaring a case of Jew distortion as anywhere else. The fact is that we missed the boat on that one; Argentine Nationalists rue the passing of the military state, and so should we.

I would stake my life on the probability of West Europeans meeting us there: Dutchmen and Germans at the very least. The German will always be ready to pick up and go somewhere else, if he thinks he can find steady work and a decent life when he gets there. If God one day decided that a single human law out of many should go to the board to be considered for the status of cosmic law, it would be the German's propensity to wander. We will but have to give him the opportunity to again cross the globe. I once read a brief, but endlessly charming description of the Aryan "infiltration" of the Indus Valley—something like: "Then the Aryans rambled down from the North, drinking soma and singing their martial hymns, pushing their herds before them under the guidance of their wondrous Diu Pitar."

I think if a few principal players got this ball rolling, men would flock to it. So long as men can see that something is already in place, started, they will take the risk. I offer one historical comparison of many: the German contingent in this country was largely the result of advertising. Certain enterprising Americans or Germans would canvass some state - say, Wyoming - draw up an attractive brochure listing the benefits of life in the New World, and the eager Germans would "buy" their way into it. [This is obviously quite different from the later Ellis Island immigration. By comparison, the Germans' journey to the New World was easy and almost luxurious.] — Hypothetically, all we have to do is set up shop, draw up the brochure, and pray to the good Pitar that a few hale spirits join us. I am sure they will. We will translate it into every European language: Dutch and German before anything else, then the Scandinavian tongues, the Romance tongues, the Russian and Slavic tongues, even Greek and Persian, if possible. We will draw them from every corner of the Continent and, in some cases, invest in their presence.

All of this info and MUCHO MAS can be found at SF in the Latin section in a thread called Migration to Argentina... It is worth the read!

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=45576&highlight=migration+argentina



Guns in Argentina are much harder to obtain than in Chile. In Argentina many calibers are illegal. eg .454 casul and other large calibers they don't "feel good" about.

Most of the people murdered by cops in the '70's were commies so no loss.

Real estated is cheap down there. Check out www.escapeartist.com for info on ex patriotism. Ye Haw!


I think I will end up in Chile someday.

AE,

I disagree. If the usa sinks that is opportunity knocking. No ambilical cord from the usa to Izrael = death to jews worldwide. Big pogrom time! No more Izzy in the usa to enforce world wide hate law legislation. The possibilities are endless.

All of this info and MUCHO MAS can be found at SF in the Latin section in a thread called Migration to Argentina... It is worth the read!

Ah, yes, the great SF "Migration to Argentina?" thread. PRIME1 has almost exactly the same conception of it as I do, though, obviously, less poetic and coherent. I would not say that thread contains "MUCHO MAS" by way of información, though it has a lot of pretty Hobbit pictures. I do not think we should spurn the "run-down palace" in favor of the "charming" European architecture. You would think that after two or three years of spinning out a thread, someone would propose that perhaps they should look at industrial property instead of pretty property. All in all, they are too hopped-up on the fact that southern Argentina has Nordic girls; whereas my objective would be to establish a firm magnet for White blood supported by various industries—not to gawk at Nordic girls in their festival best. However, priority to the prior, despite all.

Isn't "Todd in FL" registered here? All these "Yes" people should be contacted, if possible.

We will probably see enough casual immigration to Argentina in the meantime to warrant the future goal of attracting more deliberately, which someone will no doubt be able to do at some point.

It may have been the last pro White govt anywhere. This was a country that was honoring greatness a few decades ago.

http://www.ushmm.org/assets/argentina.htm

I had the same feeling about it. Good link.

Are you aware of the recent cult-interest in Nueva Germania?

Oy vey, that is Todd in FL, right thar. Ha.

I think I will end up in Chile someday.

What are your reasons for preferring it over Ar?

The ZOG doesn't have a complete lock on the U.S. yet, no matter what it may look like. There are still many things the ZOG can't do. AE is right: the fight is where the power is, and the power is in the U.S. and Western Europe. If Whites become minorities in these two centers, with tyrannic dictatorships sweeping away all justice, you're not safe in Argentina. They'll put pressure on the Argentinian government to get you somehow, or simply come down themselves. There's nowhere to run.

THamilton, this is your project. Your destiny is in setting up a prosperous Aryan settlement in Argentina...I want you to focus on this worthy goal and make it happen.
We know you can do it.
Enough talk. Make this a reality and set up a settlement in Argentina. The place has enormous potential. Your opportunity beckons in Argentina.

Do not hesitate and just go do it.

You are a credit to the White race.
Best of luck and enjoy the great steak.

chow!

I have not tried it, but know someone who did for a number of years... Not a bad lifestyle under any circumstances.
This lifestyle is common, in the Netherlands, on their numerous canals

Anyone who does not like or agree with this idea should not post. Unless there is some brasstacks objection we haven't seen, simply don't post, because an "other" consensus is unnecessary. I don't want to tread water about it. And speaking of treading water: this thread is more about living on land in Argentina than living on boats.

As for your post, DC: I contend, as I always have, precisely that ZOG does have a near-complete lock on the US. The only wrinkle is internet free speech. But this, being virtual, is simply not enough. I don't like virtual. Humans aren't meant to live "virtually". And when you can't board a plane or walk on a field without stripping for spics with sidearms, I say that's close enough to lock-down as I want to get. Actually, I have been to prison, and I prefer that to the psychological pressure of "freedom".
It is in the interest of the life-will (if I may) to not believe that the battle is lost; and precisely because this battle is rather a slow, steady, silent vampirism, it leaves the illusion of freedom or incomplete mastery of our society, which is only the case in irrelevant particulars—such as with the internet or being able to drop off a few newspapers at night. Further, it is the most common American instinct to believe that America is the only "good" country in the world, and to step outside it amounts to self-castration. This is a basic psychological observation. We spend all our days criticizing our government and society and gnashing our teeth about it, yet such a basic step - leaving - is rejected on very superficial, and mostly emotional, grounds. It is (in a non-moral sense) vain and presumptuous of you to equate the government and society of our country with that of Argentina; and you have not even shown that you have in mind the basic demographics of the two countries. Argentina is over 95% European. The indigenous population there is stable if not declining; at best, we will see Chinese influx. No one wants to live in Patagonia except Europeans. And what is the ratio of Europeans to nons in America? You know the grim statistic. So how do you conclude that Argentina shares with America the same inevitable fate? Surely Hymen will do what he can, when he has enough power there, to muck up the racial status quo; but I do not believe I am foolish in thinking the matter is by no means decided in Argentina.
There is somewhere to run. You simply do not want to. That's fine, it doesn't matter. But you should not make wild assumptions like this. Argentina is filled with friendly Mediterranean folk. They might try to screw you over here & there, but you just have to be on guard, and if you're caught off guard once or twice, so what? That's life! How many times have you been screwed over here? isn't life itself a huge rip-off, waking up every morning the Kwa?

In short, refrain from blanket identification like this. Argentina is not America, even if it is a little "ArJEWntina".


The ZOG doesn't have a complete lock on the U.S. yet, no matter what it may look like. There are still many things the ZOG can't do. AE is right: the fight is where the power is, and the power is in the U.S. and Western Europe. If Whites become minorities in these two centers, with tyrannic dictatorships sweeping away all justice, you're not safe in Argentina. They'll put pressure on the Argentinian government to get you somehow, or simply come down themselves. There's nowhere to run.

R Mac and at least two other posters on this board are pilots.

Proud White Guy and LUX are the other pilots.

And to be completely explicit about this: With the remote and only symbolic exception of the Islamic Republic of Iran, at this point a "good economy" is bad for whites. The more money floating around a country, the more the government can fund police, military and domestic "agencies", ranging from state spies to Jewish "watchdogs", to monitor and beleaguer dissidents. Cultural barbarization aside, the main obstacle to White regeneration are the advanced, standing police and military forces within each country. — I believe the absence of mass war trials in Argentina is significant, perhaps indicating that the military men of the Reorganización are still around; perhaps some of the younger generation have risen in the ranks since then. (I mention this in contrast to the void left by dead German idealists after WWII.) In any case, Argentina's fate is not set in stone. Yes, if left alone it will surely go on its way to utter barbarization; but as a newly "democratized" state, it presents an opportunity - a long shot - to perhaps swing the pendulum in our favor. Or, at the very least, to give ourselves and our kameraden the opportunity to live without being reminded of the ungodly horrors of these fair United States.

And to be completely explicit about this: With the remote and only symbolic exception of the Islamic Republic of Iran, at this point a "good economy" is bad for whites. The more money floating around a country, the more the government can fund police, military and domestic "agencies", ranging from state spies to Jewish "watchdogs", to monitor and beleaguer dissidents. Cultural barbarization aside, the main obstacle to White regeneration are the advanced, standing police and military forces within each country. — I believe the absence of mass war trials in Argentina is significant, perhaps indicating that the military men of the Reorganización are still around; perhaps some of the younger generation have risen in the ranks since then. (I mention this in contrast to the void left by dead German idealists after WWII.) In any case, Argentina's fate is not set in stone. Yes, if left alone it will surely go on its way to utter barbarization; but as a newly "democratized" state, it presents an opportunity - a long shot - to perhaps swing the pendulum in our favor. Or, at the very least, to give ourselves and our kameraden the opportunity to live without being reminded of the ungodly horrors of these fair United States.

What a great post - you are right. The opportunity is there. So stop talking about it and just go there.
Scout out the area and send us reports regarding a settlement for all of us kameraden.

this is your project and it is an awesome one. Make it happen.
Let's do it sooner rather than later.

For what, exactly?

Sounds like the kind of american solipsism that makes the rest of the world contemptuous of us;
......

Not at all. It's not a note of pride just reality. America has a big material impact. Germany under-appreciated the material impact of America. Just like the Rebs under-appreciated the material impact of Northern Industry and ample cannon fodder. Just like Hackworth under-appreciated the firepower of the military going into Afghanistan and predicted a bloodbath and massive troop casualties from the war part (not the predictable insurgencies). Hell, I did too. But I was wrong. And so was he. Now we have the casualties in the insurgencies but that was accurately predicted.

My point is that America has and will have the money, guns, and social organization to back its claims for the next hundred years.

I know people around here think there's going to be a collapse. Well, that is unlikely. Maybe a currency collapse and hyperinflation, maybe a breakup of the USA if we are lucky, but I wouldnt put my eggs in the collapse basket.

Likewise I see little or no benefit to moving to South America. We need to sing our fangs into the present power structure and not run off to where we have no connections. That is my thought.

We may pray for separation but we need to learn to live as supremacists. You know what I mean?

Fine to work for change, but on the coarsest level, we need to exploit the opportunities at hand.

I have been saying this for a long time, and I mean it. There is money being made here in the USA and what are we doing sitting on the fucking sidelines? Get out there and make some money, I dont give a shit if it's profiting off of misery or whatall. We're way to freakin scrupulous. Nothing illegal-- but I would do usury, for example, in a second if that were my line of work. Or sell booze to jiggies. For example. Plenty I wouldnt do, ethically, or rather, unethically-- but when it comes to certain opportunities, we need to recognize that we need to take them and make money. Money is a storehouse of power, the more money you got the more power. We need to accumulate money. Make it off all these goddamned niggers as much as possible too, and not just get the short end of the stick all the time. Fuck if I'm just going to be fucked my whole life, by God, I'm gonna be doing the fucking oncet a while.

.......at this point a "good economy" is bad for whites.[/i] The more money floating around a country, the more the government can fund police, military and domestic "agencies", ranging from state spies to Jewish "watchdogs", to monitor and beleaguer dissidents. Cultural barbarization aside, the main obstacle to White regeneration are the advanced, standing police and military forces within each country. — ............

I understand what you're saying, but like JEWS, we should not put all eggs in one basket, but DIVERSIFY, and also HEDGE. So, if the market goes up, we have long bets in place to take profit on, and if it goes down, we have some short bets to profit. If oil goes up, we have some eggs that will hatch, even if others die. And so on. So right now, look around you and think what can I do to profit off of the situation at hand in the next year to five years? And put some time and effort into it. Then plow as much as you want back into White Nationalism or projects of your own choosing.

Ever heard of Colonia Dignidad? They're on the ropes. Nowhere to hide is right.

Nowhere, except, RIGHT OUT IN THE OPEN. Hidden in plain view. "Moving as a fish among others" as Mao said.

Not concentrated in one place where we can be identified and efficiently crushed.

Not concentrated in one place where we can be identified and efficiently crushed.

This is your pithiness working against your argument, because you have just summarized the situation here, with one difference. We have abundant evidence that, at any time, we could be most easily identified (most probably are) and very efficiently crushed; it happens every day, in fact. There is precious little room to manoeuvre here, and what room is left, as I used to argue, is not being exploited fully. Not in the sense of money-making, though surely this too, but in certain other areas of activity.
I must stress that a loose "colony"-type program in Argentina, perhaps extending into Chile, is not so centralized that ZOG could just roar in and drop bombs. I do not believe either government concerned would allow or condone it, if it were preemptive. We risk much more here for much less. Argentina's slight backwardness is much more to our advantage than the ultra-refined infrastructure here. I well understand one's reluctance to leave, but I can't argue against that; it isn't really a valid thing to argue. My stance is that the United Starts are lost. In my worldview, to be frank, the world collapsed in 1945, and anything we do so many years after that is simply damage control.
Given the domino effect of "representative democracy" across the world, with its attendant Jewry, probably Argentina can be no exception—however, it is what it is, and it is a lot better than America. I agree with your contention that we should "diversify", that money must be made, but we are on the sidelines for a reason. People should be lawyers, politicians, play the stock market; and surely the next generation - it seems many of you have children, thank God - will have the opportunity to naturally enter such fields.
I envision this project as very international. If it were incapable of drawing foreign material - in particular Dutch, Germans and other malcontented Europeans - it would not be worthwhile, as I see it, for Americanism needs a social balance. My thought is along the lines of the old military-religious orders; which would even, with the first native generation, be able to make its way in key areas of society—religious, military, educational, financial. The ultimate goal of this project would be, would have to be, to raise a new breed of man on Argentine soil who could eventually influence or control Argentine society, as Jews have done everywhere else.
So think of Argentina merely as a more pristine field of action. Racially it is more hygienic; socially, only Buenos Aires poses a problem, as does any big city today; and financially, the ball is not yet fully in Hymen's court. Militarily, who knows? The militarists might still be around, smouldering for their old ways. I will be more worried if I see skinheads and rallies down there than nothing.

Ever heard of Colonia Dignidad? They're on the ropes.

As well they should be, if the stories of child molestation and so forth are true. In any case, it will be an affair of youth; we aren't old ex-Nazis. We won't have rallies and flags. No religious nuts. And this isn't meant to be a "cover": it will essentially be a productive environment in a whiter land where dissatisfied whites from the around the world can come stay and work and, if they establish families, hopefully direct their progeny into Argentine society with the sublime purpose in view.
I don't even have in mind a big "colony" or commune where we all hang out and be disgruntled. It would work along the lines of chain immigration here, though not so smoothly of course—one of us buys a property, invites some people down; some others are perhaps able to pool money for a larger property, maybe a business, which can draw more of our stamp and employ Argentines also. The key is to make ourselves useful, be productive and helpful, and to give our progeny the direction which jews give theirs at every stage of life. We need religious, military, financial, bureaucratic, governmental and above all cultural representatives; the only way to do this is raise another generation.

As well they should be, if the stories of child molestation and so forth are true. In any case, it will be an affair of youth; we aren't old ex-Nazis. We won't have rallies and flags. No religious nuts. And this isn't meant to be a "cover": it will essentially be a productive environment in a whiter land where dissatisfied whites from the around the world can come stay and work and, if they establish families, hopefully direct their progeny into Argentine society with the sublime purpose in view.
I don't even have in mind a big "colony" or commune where we all hang out and be disgruntled. It would work along the lines of chain immigration here, though not so smoothly of course—one of us buys a property, invites some people down; some others are perhaps able to pool money for a larger property, maybe a business, which can draw more of our stamp and employ Argentines also. The key is to make ourselves useful, be productive and helpful, and to give our progeny the direction which jews give theirs at every stage of life. We need religious, military, financial, bureaucratic, governmental and above all cultural representatives; the only way to do this is raise another generation.

wow, you have a unique viewpoint I'll give you that much.
Every Argentinian I've met thinks there is a lot more opportunity here or in Europe.
Maybe you have a bit of money saved up. This could be good. You'd live relatively well there.

I'm convinced this is a great idea for some people like you.
Theoretically, I think this could work. I really do.

I want to form a colony somewhere in the JewSA...I just don't want to move due to a few million dirty jews.
I like the seperation idea. I actually sincerely concur with this.
You get your crew to go to Argentina.
And I will get mine to live somewhere in this country.

I knew a guy and his wife who lived in a yacht in a German harbour. Bad thing about it was the daily harbour fees.
A simple houseboat on a canal costs nothing

Why is it implausible to try this rather mundane idea in a country where White genocide is at least not a top priority?

It isn't implausible. Some thrill to the idea, others shrink from it. It should be left at that. Some Aryans went down to Ganges, others stayed home; some Phoenicians went out to Africa, some stayed home. One may imagine the psychology of all cases to be roughly the same—some just did not want to leave the land of their forefathers.

E.g., alpacas, llamas and guanacos are exotic, highly profitable wool animals in the US once you pony up 40K for a herd.

That is.....a good idea. And a beautiful one. Fate allows so few of us a share in any of the old, healthy ways of life—war, piracy, hunting wild game, tilling fields or herding animals. I don't even know what a guanaco is, but I love the idea, so thank you!

Diaspora for us just means atomization; impotency.

It occurred to me today: this is how, for example, the Finnish race was pushed to the upper limit of Europe—pressure from the Aryan. Different mode of pressure now, but the same process; Argentina, Canada and Scandinavia all share one characteristic—they are borderlands, extremities, no-furthers.

Again, you can be sure that each and every man here will hedge as best as he can.

Heh.

Here is an article I ran across while doing some research on living aboard boats.

http://www.macnaughtongroup.com/living.htm

There seems to be a lot of survival pluses to this lifestyle. Has anyone here tried it? Also there is a home schooling link in the article that might cater to Whites.

I lived on a sailboat for 12 years and will answer any questions you guys have.

Its a very viable way to live, but, like anything, has its drawbacks.

I would first like to say that I have found my way to this site after being chastised through moderation/censorship at SF. And so far I like the explicit sharing of ideas that seems to be taking place on this board. Please do not be alarmed by my lack of posts.....I have a couple hundred at SF that can be verified for content if one wishes to validate my views.

Back to the topic at hand...I am totally for the idea of colonization somewhere in South America. I do not have a lot of financial resources at my disposal, but I do however have a lot of trade skills, a strong work ethic, some military experience, and many years ahead of me as I am in my twenties. I feel that through the purchase/use of a small printing press set-up we could make pamphlets in various languages for distribution in target countries that would aide in the colonization marketing process, as mentioned earlier in this thread. I have seen this done by the "Born-Again" Christians in their campaigns. This kind of machinery can sometimes be acquired for next to nothing. There are others out there willing to relocate to a plcae like this, they just need to be informed that there is such a project/colony. Time to make it happen.

I am definitely willing to work with others in an effort to make this happen, even if it were simply in a security/sentry/intel capacity. Keep us updated....PM me....email me or whatever. Good Luck :)

So much for this idea.
Wouldn't it be safer to live aboard a submarine?
Maybe the more affluent board members should pool their money together and start an underwater compound in one of those

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/06/30/ferry.accident/index.html

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/Tuerkenjaeger/crash.jpg

ARRGH! The secret is out.

http://www.fortune.com/fortune/articles/0,15114,1077054,00.html

Break it to THam gently!

Oy vey, the vistas, the vistas!

ARRGH! The secret is out.

http://www.fortune.com/fortune/articles/0,15114,1077054,00.html

Break it to THam gently!


So what?

Kick and force those kikes outta there.

Fuck judah.

So what?

Kick and force those kikes outta there.

Fuck judah.

Right, it is just holiday or retirement property. It can be taken. That needs to be kept in mind.

Where I live you can buy a nice houseboat for around $20,000 and it costs about $100-200 a month docking fee. This includes electric and sewage. I don’t know about the seasickness but it is cheaper to live on one. You cannot have a garden and other outside features a house offers. It is perfect for apartment dwellers but for those of us that desire a lot of land it would be a nightmare.

We had a garden while on the boat. Just have everything in five gallon buckets and take them on the boat if you move. Used to grow a lot of tomatoes and peppers.

One gets immune to seasickness after a while. Its no big deal. Take Dramamine.

On a boat, you really have no fixed expenses. If dock fees are too high, move to a cheaper marina or anchor the boat and go back and forth by dinghy. Many people do that.




There is another advantage if uncle Zoggy comes a knocking you could speed off to safety. Or in the living dead scenario you could be safe in the middle of a lake. Some think it is insane but I think the crash will be due to a virus or something similar like 28 Days or Warning sign.

Don't count on getting away from the cops. If they want you, they'll get you. That's IF they have a reason and know where you are. OTOH, if your boat is up in some remote bayou in Louisiana or some other obscure place, how will they know? Its very easy to be anonymous on a boat and inconspicuous. Why would anyone care what you're doing in the first place?

The government has more important things to do besides track people who own boats. In the ten years we lived on a boat, the Coast Guard never gave us any trouble. In fact, the cops never bothered us at all. The worst was couple times a local marine patrol would ask to see the boat's papers. In each case it was because a boat in the area had been reported stolen. There was no harrassment. The cops were friendly and took up no time. They were just doing their job. They didn't even come aboard, just pulled their power boat up to mine and we handed the papers over, they looked at them for maybe 20 seconds, said thanks and left. That was it.

Well, that does make boat-living sound very attractive.

Seems a lot of Whites escaping So. Africa have found their way here. Some of the higher quality boats here were made in Capetown.

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/cache/pl_search_results.jsp?ywo=littleships&ps=50&type=&new=&luom=126&hosturl=littleships&page=broker&slim=broker&lineonly

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?currency=USD&units=Feet&checked_boats=1353146&slim=quick&

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?&units=Feet&checked_boats=1331298&slim=broker&&hosturl=littleships&&ywo=littleships&

Seems a lot of Whites escaping So. Africa have found their way here. Some of the higher quality boats here were made in Capetown...
They should rename "Capetown" to "Rapetown".
SAs are contemporary "Boat People"

Seems a lot of Whites escaping So. Africa have found their way here. Some of the higher quality boats here were made in Capetown.

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/cache/pl_search_results.jsp?ywo=littleships&ps=50&type=&new=&luom=126&hosturl=littleships&page=broker&slim=broker&lineonly

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?currency=USD&units=Feet&checked_boats=1353146&slim=quick&

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?&units=Feet&checked_boats=1331298&slim=broker&&hosturl=littleships&&ywo=littleships&

I think steel is the way to go for reasons of strength and ease of repair. I had a wood boat, which served me well, but it did require a certain amount of work. Not as much as people always imagine, but in the tropics there was always some painting and occasional rot to fix. Maintinance in cooler climates is not as bad with wood. But a steel boat can rust for years before any real structural weakness occurs. Look at all the rust-bucket commercial fishing boats that go out every day without problems.

I think the small boat in the last link would be ok even without an engine, but an engine is almost a necessity on anything over, say, 28 ft. An outboard would be ok. Not so much for traveling, but manuvering in marinas and getting in and out of channels - this is where trouble usually happens. It could be a small one. I had an 8 ton 30 footer once that would move at about 4 knots in calm water with a puny 2 hp outboard.

What do you think of this one...

http://seattle.craigslist.org/boa/80946618.html

What do you think of this one...

http://seattle.craigslist.org/boa/80946618.html

Bayliner is one of the cheaper boat lines. Personally, I think there are better choices.