I don't think this will shock anyone.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/04/movies/04PASS.html?ei=5062&en=09c548fda8db4d05&ex=1076475600&partner=GOOGLE&pagewanted=print&position=

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A scene in the film, in which the Jewish high priest Caiaphas calls down a kind of curse on the Jewish people by declaring of the Crucifixion, "His blood be on us and on our children," will not be in the movie's final version, said the Gibson associate, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The passage had been included in some versions of the film that were shown before select groups, mostly of priests and ministers.

"It didn't work in the focus screenings," the associate said. "Maybe it was thought to be too hurtful, or taken not in the way it was intended. It has been used terribly over the years."

Jewish leaders had warned that the passage from Matthew 27:25 was the historic source for many of the charges of deicide and Jews' collective guilt in the death of Jesus.

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In a letter to Mr. Gibson, Rabbi Hier wrote: "We are not engaging in competitive martyrdom, but in historical truth. To describe Jewish suffering during the Holocaust as `some of them were Jews in concentration camps' is an afterthought that feeds right into the hands of Holocaust deniers and revisionists."

[...]

Would standing up at the end and shouting "the jews killed jesus" be labeled disorderly conduct?

[QUOTE=Whirlwind]Would standing up at the end and shouting "the jews killed jesus" be labeled disorderly conduct?[/QUOTE]

Gibson is no "Braveheart" I'm afraid.

What if someone with some graphic arts skills produced a simple animated replacement for the deleted scene? Then posted it where it could be easily referenced. If I am not mistaken, movies last two hours or so, leaving the cars that brought the viewers unattended in a mall parking lot. Great place to place literature with a link to the missing scene. If he capitulates and removes the scene, we could still capitalize on the movie. Non-threatening, fliers that are not attempting to sell anything are not covered by solicitation laws. But check.

Maybe we'll see it in the DVD they always add deleted sceens.

[QUOTE=Whirlwind]What if someone with some graphic arts skills produced a simple animated replacement for the deleted scene? Then posted it where it could be easily referenced. If I am not mistaken, movies last two hours or so, leaving the cars that brought the viewers unattended in a mall parking lot. Great place to place literature with a link to the missing scene. If he capitulates and removes the scene, we could still capitalize on the movie. Non-threatening, fliers that are not attempting to sell anything are not covered by solicitation laws. But check.[/QUOTE]

Actually, that's a good idea, Whirlwind. One drawback, though, is the time it would take to produce the animated scene. And how many people would take the trouble to follow up the flier's suggested link?

Another idea would be to simply stick a flier on the windscreen of every car in the theatre lot, carrying a message like,

"The movie you watched tonight was not the movie that Mel Gibson intended. He was harrassed, bullied, and threatened, in order to remove certain scenes from the film. These scenes were historically accurate, and depicted passages which are in the original Bible, and have been accepted as true for 2000 years.

Specifically, these scenes depicted the passage in the Bible which relates that the Jews of the New Testament did, in fact, acknowledge blame for the death of Jesus Christ. A High Priest is quoted in the Bible as saying "His blood be on us and our children", a statement which openly declares the collective guilt of the jewish race in the death of Jesus.

The people who bullied, threatened, and harrassed Mel Gibson to re-write the Bible in their favour were modern-day Jews. The Jews are the only group in the world today who can demand that the truth be suppressed to suit themselves, and can get away with it. You, on the other hand, are legally prohibited from even discussing this fact.

If this makes you wonder about the role of jews in the world today, then congratulations, you have just learned something."

[QUOTE=Mann]Actually, that's a good idea, Whirlwind. One drawback, though, is the time it would take to produce the animated scene. And how many people would take the trouble to follow up the flier's suggested link?

Another idea would be to simply stick a flier on the windscreen of every car in the theatre lot, carrying a message like,

"The movie you watched tonight was not the movie that Mel Gibson intended. He was harrassed, bullied, and threatened, in order to remove certain scenes from the film. These scenes were historically accurate, and depicted passages which are in the original Bible, and have been accepted as true for 2000 years.

Specifically, these scenes depicted the passage in the Bible which relates that the Jews of the New Testament did, in fact, acknowledge blame for the death of Jesus Christ. A High Priest is quoted in the Bible as saying "His blood be on us and our children", a statement which openly declares the collective guilt of the jewish race in the death of Jesus.

The people who bullied, threatened, and harrassed Mel Gibson to re-write the Bible in their favour were modern-day Jews. The Jews are the only group in the world today who can demand that the truth be suppressed to suit themselves, and can get away with it. You, on the other hand, are legally prohibited from even discussing this fact.

If this makes you wonder about the role of jews in the world today, then congratulations, you have just learned something."[/QUOTE]
Mann, you've got the right idea. In fact, I've copied and pasted what you wrote in a text document and will produce fliers with the VNN web address at the bottom to distribute opnening day, Feb. 25. We should all do this as it's an effective way to get the word out to a few open ears. :)

Fantastic idea.

It might be a good idea to include the Bible passages or at least give chapter & verse references.

The Gideon Bible & Revised Standard reads:
Matthew 27:25 "And all the people answered , His blood be on us and on our children."

Catholic Bible:
St. Matthew 27:25
"Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children."

Children's Bible:
"Then all the people answered and said, 'Let his blood be on us, and on our children'"

King James Version Mathew 27:25
"Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children."

Well, anyway you slice it and dice it, the Bible says the same thing.... the jews are cursed by their own mouths.

[QUOTE=Spengler]Mann, you've got the right idea. In fact, I've copied and pasted what you wrote in a text document and will produce fliers with the VNN web address at the bottom to distribute opnening day, Feb. 25. We should all do this as it's an effective way to get the word out to a few open ears. :)[/QUOTE]

Good! In fact, I was kinda hoping all our members would get that idea, and use it for that purpose.

[COLOR=DarkGreen]Thanks for a great idea, Whirlwind.[/COLOR] :cool:

The man has spent his own money on a church in order to practice his version of Catholicism. He has soley funded this movie. If the line is not in, he caved to jewish pressure- period. I will hope his religious beliefs trump pleasing anyone. So far the Graham family and Gary Bauer have come out against the film. Call me old-fashioned, but the line is in the book; it should be in the movie.

Any fricken christian will bow down to the jew because the jews
are "God's chosen people". Which means, they'll go to hell if they make the jews angry....or disrespect them....or make them look bad.

Is Mel's decision more or less based on doing what it takes to get the movie out or is afraid of a jewish backlash a la smear campaign. Were there threats made by some jewish council? Wasn't the point of this movie to depict the last 6 hours of Jesus's life including the comments of Caiphus? Are they going to replace the bloodthirsty jewish mob who screamed for the blood of Jesus as mixed race and not identified as jews at all? This being due to the popular, misguided belief that "jews didn't kill Jesus, but that we all did". Or are the Romans going to be trumped up as "Nazis" and then they were really the ones who had it out for the Son of God?

Think about it....if you read and preach the bible, you go to church every Sunday and you observe and celebrate the associated holidays, yet because you aren't jewish, you are not considered to be good enough chosen, but good enough to be jewish fodder....or goyim if you will. Weak minded people will get what they deserve because they let it happen to them.

Makes me laugh!

Mel's Catholicism based on pre- Vatican II version were Mass is in Latin. And they still hold the jews responsible for Jesus' death. Not the kiked-up version currently enforced by a jew pope.
Most reviews I've read say the movie portrays jews and a few of the Roman soldiers as the bad guys.
I am not a Christian, so I am not looking to the film for evangelical reasons. I hope to use it as a vehicle to WAKE PEOPLE UP TO THE JEWS.

Any fricken christian will bow down to the jew because the jews
are "God's chosen people". Which means, they'll go to hell if they make the jews angry....or disrespect them....or make them look bad.

Is Mel's decision more or less based on doing what it takes to get the movie out or is afraid of a jewish backlash a la smear campaign. Were there threats made by some jewish council? Wasn't the point of this movie to depict the last 6 hours of Jesus's life including the comments of Caiphus? Are they going to replace the bloodthirsty jewish mob who screamed for the blood of Jesus as mixed race and not identified as jews at all? This being due to the popular, misguided belief that "jews didn't kill Jesus, but that we all did". Or are the Romans going to be trumped up as "Nazis" and then they were really the ones who had it out for the Son of God?

Think about it....if you read and preach the bible, you go to church every Sunday and you observe and celebrate the associated holidays, yet because you aren't jewish, you are not considered to be good enough chosen, but good enough to be jewish fodder....or goyim if you will. Weak minded people will get what they deserve because they let it happen to them.



Makes me laugh!

Technically, according to the rules of Christianity Jews are going to hell because they are not baptized and don't recognize Jesus as the saviour.

According, to the tenets of Christianity .. Judaism is a blasphemy against god and they are living in sin.

Also, Leon Degrelle was part of an esoteric Catholic secret society and that is what drove his ideology against Jews during WWII.

Some lunatic Jew from Israel keeps threatening to nuke Germany and the Vatican if we ever atttack Israel.

Hmm, if Jews hate the Vatican there must be something to that hmm ? Jews hate christianity more than pagans do.

Most Jews think the holocaust was another Christian persecution as well. That's just how these strange people view history.

The German Catholic Saint Catherine Emmerich postulated that Jews are ugly and have harmfull impurities that are visible in their features because they are cursed by god.

Martin Luther hated Jews as well.

People are always trying to infiltrate and subvert the church for their own purposes .. It was the communists this century by and large.


How could you forget that the Catholic church in Italy through an Austrian priest help Nazi's escape to South America ? Dude you've been brainwashed.

The Catholic church went out of its way after WWII was over to help escaped Nazi's to South America . Where's the beef with the Church ?

The Catholics that the Nazis started to exterminate and put in concentration camps where basically slavic Poles etc..

Not Western Keltic Belgian Catholics like uncle Leon Degrelle.

People like to say the Nazi's persecuted Catholics during WWII but they are really covering up the fact that they where killing slavics and putting slavics in concentration camps along with some unruly native Preists that where causing problems.

Heinrich Himmler and Adolf Hitler where both raised Catholic although they did not practise the religion later in their life -- there is no doubt that Himmler's pious Catholic father and young Himmler's strict Christian upbringing forged his pedantic character.



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Leon Degrelle founder of the Rexist Party of Belgium-- an esoteric Catholic movement. During that cataclysmic confrontation he was one of the greatest heroes on the Eastern Front. Of Leon Degrelle Hitler said: "If I should have a son I would like him to be like Leon."


Leon Degrelle died in Malaga, Spain on April 1,1994 at 87.

Before World War II, Degrelle had been Europe’s youngest political leader and the founder of the Rexist Party of Belgium. During the war he was a hero on the Eastern Front, fighting to save Europe from communism.

As statesman and soldier he was acquainted with Hitler, Mussolini, Churchill, Franco, Laval, Petain and many other European leaders during the titanic ideological and military clash that was World War II. Alone among them, he survived across nearly five decades to remain a personal witness of that historical period.

Degrelle was born to a family of French origin in the small Ardennes town of Bouillon in Luxembourg on June 15, 1906. He was the son of a prosperous brewer who had immigrated to Luxembourg from France five years earlier, provoked by a French "anti-clerical" government’s expulsion of the Jesuit order. It was said so many of the Degrelles had become Jesuit priests that the Degrelles were "Jesuits from father to son."

Young Leon studied at the University of Louvain, where he acquired a doctorate in law, but he also immersed himself in other academic disciplines such as political science, art, archeology and philosophy. As a student, his natural gift of leadership became apparent. By the time he reached 20 the young prodigy had already published five books and operated his own weekly newspaper.

Out of his deep Christian conviction, Degrelle joined Belgium’s Catholic Action Movement and naturally soon became one of its leaders. Leon’s passion was people. He wanted to win the crowds, particularly the Marxist ones. He wanted them to share his ideals of social and spiritual change for society.


(Celtic) Belgian/luxemberg French (alpine) mixed Leon Degrelle :

http://nazi-lauck-nsdapao.com/pt-2307-leon-degrelle-75dpi.jpg





Then you wonder why Jews hate Christianity ? hahahaha


http://www.catholicsupply.com/christmas/_borders/39740.gif

When I tell you Jews absolutely hate Christianity I'm not making it up. You undesitmate how much they hate Christian society.

This is spiritual holy war .. just some people only recognize it on the superficial scientific level.



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Knight's Cross Holder SS-Sturmbannführer Lèon Degrelle Commander of the Wallonie Division, 1943 - 45

BY W.A. CARTO

Here is the inspiring yet tragic story of an idealistic, indomitable and fearless leader who survived the worst that World War II had to offer, only to be struck down by treason in the twilight of his life.

Leon Degrelle died in Malaga, Spain on April 1,1994 at 87.

Before World War II, Degrelle had been Europe’s youngest political leader and the founder of the Rexist Party of Belgium. During the war he was a hero on the Eastern Front, fighting to save Europe from communism.

As statesman and soldier he was acquainted with Hitler, Mussolini, Churchill, Franco, Laval, Petain and many other European leaders during the titanic ideological and military clash that was World War II. Alone among them, he survived across nearly five decades to remain a personal witness of that historical period.

Degrelle was born to a family of French origin in the small Ardennes town of Bouillon in Luxembourg on June 15, 1906. He was the son of a prosperous brewer who had immigrated to Luxembourg from France five years earlier, provoked by a French "anti-clerical" government’s expulsion of the Jesuit order. It was said so many of the Degrelles had become Jesuit priests that the Degrelles were "Jesuits from father to son."

Young Leon studied at the University of Louvain, where he acquired a doctorate in law, but he also immersed himself in other academic disciplines such as political science, art, archeology and philosophy. As a student, his natural gift of leadership became apparent. By the time he reached 20 the young prodigy had already published five books and operated his own weekly newspaper.

Out of his deep Christian conviction, Degrelle joined Belgium’s Catholic Action Movement and naturally soon became one of its leaders. Leon’s passion was people. He wanted to win the crowds, particularly the Marxist ones. He wanted them to share his ideals of social and spiritual change for society.(cont. on page 2)

Leon Degrelle poses with his wife and four of his seven daughters. At the end of the war, Degrelle’s children (including his youngest child, his son) were seized by the Allied victors and separated from one another and given different names. But through a network of friends and supporters throughout Europe, Degrelle was able to reunite his family in exile in Spain.

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He wanted to lift people up; to forge for them a stable, efficient and responsible state, a state backed by the good sense of people and for the sole benefit of the people. No wonder Degrelle often said:

"Either you have the people with you, or you have nothing with you." Degrelle, in short, was a populist.

During his involvement with the Rexist party, he addressed more than 2,000 meetings. His books and newspaper were read everywhere because they always dealt with the real issues. Although he was not yet 25, people listened to him avidly.

In a few short years he had won over a large part of the population. Belgum’s corrupt political establishment took serious note of this upstart. Although Degrelle had initially been working with Belgium’s Catholic Party (one of the nation’s three ruling parties, the others being the Liberals and the Socialists) he ultimately began to become disillusioned with the party’s ruling clique and began focusing his efforts on building his Rexist movement.

Demanding radical political reform and the establishment of an authoritative "corporative" state of social justice and national unity, Degrelle launched a hard-driving and brilliant propaganda campaign against the ruling parties, which he came to describe as the pour-ris—that is, "the corrupt," and the Rexist movement made great political capital out of the cynical financial manipulations of the parties and their henchmen. Degrelle called them "the banksters."

Degrelle’s movement recognized that the ruling parties, so cooperative when it came to dividing the spoils that accrue to politicians, fostered division and strife throughout Belgium. Historian Allan Cassels points out that "gradually, Degrelle became more and more anti-capitalist—a shift that was not so much a response to the Great Depression as it was a growing awareness of the ties between business and government revealed in several Belgian scandals."1

The platform of the Rexist party reflected the populist tilt. "First and foremost, it opposed the dictatorship of super capitalism in Belgium and the Congo and then went on to dismiss Belgian parties and the parliamentary system itself as mere extensions of the rotten business world.. . Banks were to be controlled in an unspecified way and unemployment solved by some sort of national planning. Workers were to be protected by a corporative system ‘based on the solidarity of the classes,’ and the organizational structure for Rexist confederations was formulated on paper for trade, industry, agriculture, the artisans, the professions and even the party’s administration of the Belgian Congo. Yet, much of the old order would remain; there was room for the monarchy, and even Parliament in truncated form would share legislative authority with the corporations."2

On May 24, 1936 Degrelle’s Rexist candidates won a smashing electoral victory against the established parties by capturing a total of 34 House and Senate seats.

However, the ruling parties of Belgium soon rose to meet the Rexists’ threat to their power by uniting in a solid phalanx against the young populist leader. Even the Catholic hierarchy condemned the church’s most ardent son in the interests of "moderation." As a consequence, the Rex movement’s fortunes began to decline. Although his party began to disintegrate under the establishment’s applied pressure, Degrelle himself was re-elected to the Parliament with the largest majority of any deputy.

The Europe of Degrelle was still split into little countries, each jealous of its past glories and closed to any contact with neighboring peoples. In the late 1930s, as war loomed, Degrelle devoted his attention to assuring Belgium’s neutrality in order to prevent his nation from again being used as a buffer between Germany and France in the event of hostilities.

But, even as he labored for the shortterm integrity of Belgium’s borders, the far-sighted Degrelle was also looking toward the future of the continent. In his student days he had traveled across Latin America, the United States and Canada. He had visited North Africa, the Middle East and, of course, all of the European countries. He felt that Europe had a unique destiny to fulfill and must unite behind its common cultural heritage.

Mussolini invited Degrelle to Rome. Churchill saw him in London, and Hitler received him in Berlin. Putting his political life on the line, he made desperate efforts to stop the railroading of Europe into another war. But old rivalries, petty hatreds and suspicion between the French and the Germans were cleverly exploited. The established parties and the Communist Party worked on the same side: for war. For the Kremlin it was a unique opportunity to communize Europe—after it had first been weakened and bled white. (cont. on page 3)



Degrelle, a vibrant and charismatic speaker, addresses an anti-Bolshevik meeting in Brussels. Degrelle was a multi-talented orator and writer, the author of numerous books and monographs. Degrelle’s organizational capabilities were extraordinary and played a major part in catapulting Degrelle to prominence not only in Belgium but throughout Europe during the days leading up to World War II.

Does the Swiss Catholic guard look like it's messing around to you or do they look like they mean business ?

http://c-d.org/images/photos/ch-guard.jpg


They look like they mean business to me. If I was a rat juden I wouldn't like it one bit -- I'd be hiding the menorah and ducking under the couch.

Switzerland is the country in Europe which banned all Jewish shops and goods and services recently. It's hard to make the case then that Christianity is bad.

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I'm not a practising christian but these are just the facts



-- l8r

Very informative, Et_En_Arcadia_Ego. I know a few bible thumpers at work (who of course love jews) who I'd like to show this to.

This is spiritual holy war...

True enough, but only one side seems to be aware that it's going on.