Here is an interesting article Alex Linder kindly provided at the VNN frontpage. I hope Fred will continue his comments on the EU.

Superficially one might suspect that Greek sentimentality for Europe as a cultural-racial entity with a certain common appreciation for ancient Greek culture might be at the root of popular support for the EU. Also, the proximity to the unquestionably non-European Turks may enhance the Greek sense of wanting to align with closer nationalities against Carl Scmitt's "Other...."02 February 2004

More than any other nation in the European Union, Greeks believe that US foreign policy damages world peace and does not help fight terrorism, according to an EU-wide poll, the Greek part of which was published here Monday.

Eighty-five percent of Greeks said the United States played a negative role for world peace, against a EU-average of 53 percent, according to autumn figures of the Eurobarometer, a EU-sponsored, periodical survey across the bloc's 15 current member states.

Washington's policies also played a negative role in the struggle against terrorism, three in four Greeks said, compared with a 37-percent average across the EU.

By contrast, Greeks are among the bloc's most ardent Europhiles. Three in four favour common defence and foreign policies for its member states, slightly above EU averages at 70 and 64 percent respectively.

Despite worries that the ten new EU member states from the east will shrink Brussels subsidies for Athens, 65 percent of Greeks said they welcome the bloc's enlargement which takes effect on May 1.

That was significantly above the 47-percent average in the EU.

But despite their euro-enthusiasm, Greeks remain the EU's most fervent patriots. 85 percent of them claim to be "very proud" of their nationality, compared with a European average of 41 percent.

http://www.eubusiness.com/afp/040202152736.luui4ch4

Superficially one might suspect that Greek sentimentality for Europe as a cultural-racial entity with a certain common appreciation for ancient Greek culture might be at the root of popular support for the EU. Also, the proximity to the unquestionably non-European Turks may enhance the Greek sense of wanting to align with closer nationalities against Carl Scmitt's "Other...."
More likely it's because Greece is a poor country that hopes to benefit from association with richer countries. EU membership will make it easier for Greeks to seek employment in any other EU country. They probably aren't losing anything by adopting the Euro either, unlike the northern countries that had strong national currencies.

What relavence does Pan-Slavism pose for our goals, aside from winning back lost territory?

Yes, Greece gets lots of money. It is the poorest, or perhaps second poorest of West European countries. One wonders why the pro-EU propaganda of the referendums in the 90s never mentioned that the main duty of the Union would be to take as much money as possible from the member countries, put it in a sack, then pour it over a table and say "GO!" whereupon the member states all get to grab as much money as they can. Then they go home and show their loot to their people, and those governments that got more than they put in the sack are rewarded with a percentage point or two in the polls, whereas those who are net givers are punished with a few percentage points less.

The vast majority of the EU budget is used for agricultural subsidies. The agricultural lobby in the EU is extremely well-organized, and is probably the only entity in the world that fully understands the vast jungle of subsidy laws. Should the EU ever try to do something about this the streets of Brussels would be filled -- once more -- by angry farmers, mainly French, waving signs, dressing up as cows, blocking the roads with trucks, and pouring either fish or manure on the pavement, depending on the mood. And if there's one thing the bloated super-bureaucracy called the EU can't afford, it's even more bad publicity.

The only reason Greek farmers aren't joining in on those street parties is because they are too far away.

Some "economic cooperation," eh? That term can be used for so much. I say, let all countries take care of their own farming. If they want to protect it with tariffs, and subsidize it, that's fine, but they shouldn't take the money from other countries.

But yes, I can also imagine that they have rhetoric like "We have always been the first line of European defense against the east," something like that, and view the EU as a pack of comrades in the permanent showdown with Turkey. Such a shame.

I wonder; how many of their northern neighbors, would they be allowed into the Union in the future, would move to Greece, and how many would move to Spain? If I were a poor Albanian or Macedonian the choice would be hard. But Greek nationalists won't have to worry about that; after all, more members only mean more allies against Turkey, right? Nothing else matters.

Oh, but the most anti-nationalist factions in the EU are talking about having Turkey join. Oh, fudge. Poor Greek nationalists. One could never have seen that one coming, could one?

Oh, but the most anti-nationalist factions in the EU are talking about having Turkey join. Oh, fudge. Poor Greek nationalists. One could never have seen that one coming, could one?

israel wants in as well and some of the EG morons are actually considering it.

israelis and Turks -- can't get much more European than that. *puke*

Those who know international law better than I do tell me that if Sweden had as many trade privileges as Israel has in its "special deal" with the EU, we needn't ever have joined. We would have gotten everything we could ask for, without paying a membership fee.

What a coincidence that it would be Israel, of all countries, that got that deal.

But yes, I have also heard that some Jewish politicians are thinking about joining. And of course no shabbas goy with any hope of a career would oppose them. Let me see ... I wonder if they would get to keep their trade benefits ... wonder if they would get special treatment regarding the "free movement" part of the Four Pillars, in order to preserve their "identity as a the world's only Jewish state" ... such a difficult question....

But actually, why not let them join? Even though they would get special treatment, I bet that in the long run the rules would be changed so they would have to accept more and more free movement. That means that the Palestinians in Europe, and probably millions of other Arabs, would move to Israel! Imagine, if you were an Arab, the chance to be a freeloader in a rich country but get to be in the Middle East all the same, and get the chance to destroy the Jewish State!

But actually, why not let them join? Even though they would get special treatment, I bet that in the long run the rules would be changed so they would have to accept more and more free movement. That means that the Palestinians in Europe, and probably millions of other Arabs, would move to Israel! Imagine, if you were an Arab, the chance to be a freeloader in a rich country but get to be in the Middle East all the same, and get the chance to destroy the Jewish State!

That is a fair point. However, due to the freedom of movement within the EG that would permit, I could almost guarantee a million(s) of israelis would move to Europe permanently. And not to just Brussels or Berlin, but Turku, Københaven and Göteborg as well.

That is unacceptable even if it would mean more palestinians returning home to the mid east. Those people can be evicted from Europe without too much trouble once the will is there to do so. But inviting more jews into Europe and allowing them to participate in European political affairs is not to be even considered. They are neurotic meddlers and spies and troublemakers who will soon have the entire continent devoting the majority of its business to israeli issues. As it stands now most White politicians can safely ignore israel and pretend it doesn't exist. If the izzy jews are allowed in, that will give israel legitimacy and you will never hear the end of their demands. You can look forward to a "holocaust" memorial in Malmö and every other Swedish city with a train station before long. And that applies to all of Europe.

Well, we can already look forward to anti-White memorials, I think. But when I wrote about Pals and other Arabs moving to Israel, I wasn't thinking of getting rid of darklings, although of course that would be nice as well. I was thinking of that Israel would lose its Jewish majority. That would be something.

I'm not sure, but I think Israelis already are allowed to move to any European country they desire. They could come simply as normal immigrants; all you need then is to show you have a job ready and a place to stay. Possibly there would be some more legal obstacles, but I don't think they are too bad. I mean, even before the EU a Swede could move to Britain or France with ease, if he only could show he had a job and a place to live.

But this shows us a most uncomfortable future scenario: when demographics take control of Israel away from the Jews, they'll move straight back to Europe again, back to the same game of invisibility and parasitism as they have always played here. And this time they'll be able to whine about being persecuted by the Arabs in Kikistan too. "Ohh, when is it gonna stop?"

Damn. As usual, it all comes back to one conclusion: ridding American media of Jews is the only solution, without which everything else is meaningless.

Quality replies Gentlemen. The quality of this message board is improving. Thank you.

I think Hadding hit the nail on the head about relative wealth, and Fred about Turkey. And further, Fred's points from other threads, about the EU being firmly anti-nationalist, is proven in spades by the fact that the "Economist" crowd is completely in favor of letting the Turks into the EU.

I noticed Izzy is a member of the EU football/soccer league already-- what with Russian Jew Oligarch Roman Abrahamovich owning one of the big clubs-- Chelsea? it's all coming together for the stinking kikes. Or so it would seem eh?

Well, we can already look forward to anti-White memorials, I think.

Yeah, probably, but you ain't seen nothin yet. Let a couple hundred thousand israeli "holocaust survivors" (there must be 75 million of them at least, maybe more) into Europe, give them a voice in EG - Brussels politics and in a couple years you'll have a "holocaust" museum on every street corner in every village. And more than a few Euro citizens will support that type of thing. The israelis use the guilt trip like a hammer. It's their entire agenda. Nothing is more important to them than emphasizing to the White man how evil he is and he perpetually "owes" concessions and apologies to jews. Unfortunately there are plenty who still fall for it.

But when I wrote about Pals and other Arabs moving to Israel, I wasn't thinking of getting rid of darklings, although of course that would be nice as well. I was thinking of that Israel would lose its Jewish majority. That would be something.

I think we have a fundamental difference of philosophy on this point. In my opinion, eliminating israel as a jewish "homeland" would not be wise at present, whether it be through dilution of their population with Arabs or by other more dramatic means. Rather, I would insist that all jews in White countries be forced or "highly encouraged" to move to israel, a state they demanded be created for them. If the jews were removed from our White nations and relocated to israel, they would be out of our lives (for the most part) . What happens to them vis a vis their regional enemies after that would not be our concern. Destroying their precious "homeland" (where fewer than half the world's jews actually want to live) would only result in them leaving that place and moving into our living space. You reached the same conclusion at the end of your letter and it's a logical one.

I'm not sure, but I think Israelis already are allowed to move to any European country they desire. They could come simply as normal immigrants; all you need then is to show you have a job ready and a place to stay.

Yes, interesting isn't it? jews seem to be able to move about the world wherever they please and get breaks on gaining citizenship while immigration laws are strictly enforced against Whites moving to other nations or even into each other's lands. That is especially true for israel -- just try moving there as a White man and a non-jew (not that any White man would want to....)

Possibly there would be some more legal obstacles, but I don't think they are too bad. I mean, even before the EU a Swede could move to Britain or France with ease, if he only could show he had a job and a place to live.

That's true, but there is a difference between residing in a foreign country and gaining citizenship. Theoretically you or I can live almost anywhere in the world we please as long as we have sufficient guaranteed income to support ourselves. But becoming a citizen eligible to vote and purchase property is usually a difficult matter. It takes quite a few years of residency, adequate knowledge of the local language and often other requirements such as employment or investment with a firm registered in the country of residence. So, yes, israelis are free now to reside anywhere in Europe they fancy, but they are not given carte blanche citizenship, voting and other rights until they satisfy the citizenship requirements. (They do seem to have an easier time gliding through the citizenship process than most White ex-pats though, I'll concede that.)

Whereas now only relatively wealthy israelis can afford to reside in Europe, if israel were allowed entry into the Europäisches Gemeinschaft all israelis would become "citizens of Europe" for all intents and purposes (isn't that a disgusting thought). You'd have every dirtbag israeli jew imaginable passing through or worse yet settling down from Gibralter to Luleå and Narvik. They would be allowed to vote and purchase property as if they were European citizens and israeli politicians would be installed in Brussels alongside those of Germany, France, Italy, Sweden, Austria, etc.

I find that idea absolutely repugnant, and I presume you do as well.

But this shows us a most uncomfortable future scenario: when demographics take control of Israel away from the Jews, they'll move straight back to Europe again, back to the same game of invisibility and parasitism as they have always played here. And this time they'll be able to whine about being persecuted by the Arabs in Kikistan too. "Ohh, when is it gonna stop?"

Right. That's why I think it's a better idea to guarantee israel's existence as a state for now, BUT only if all the jews in our countries agree to be relocated there without resistance. The eventual destruction of israel by whatever means would be a dream come true of course, but only after all jews have moved there and closed the door behind them. There should be a legal stipulation in Europe, the USA and other White nations that after relocating to israel no jews will be permitted to return or reside under any circumstances. There is an enormous quantity of available land in Sub-Saharan africa and mexico and the Pacific islands if they found israel not to their liking.

Damn. As usual, it all comes back to one conclusion: ridding American media of Jews is the only solution, without which everything else is meaningless.

Yes, quite right. But not just jews in the American so-called media, jews in ALL White media. As I remember you wrote a piece a year or two ago pointing out that the Swedish media is controlled by jews as is a good part of the Norwegian and Finnish media. That situation holds true in Canada (jew Asper) and Australia (jew Murdoch) as well. That situation must end, but it can be ended with a relocation of all jews to israel and a forced sale of jewish owned White media entities to non-jewish investors. israelis would be forbidden from buying stock shares in White media corporations after the transfer of ownership had been completed.

This points out where I disagree with Alex Linder. I do not insist that all jews need to necessarily confront a "day of the rope" but I do insist they get the hell out of our lands, get out of our media, get out of our governments, get out of our economies and then relocate themselves to israel or Africa or mexico or any non-White lands that will have them.

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In a completely unrelated question Fredrik (if I may) are you familiar with the Swedish millionaire Ian Wachmeister? He used to be a financial supporter of Folkviljan I believe and was generally sympathetic to our general ideaology. Jeg brukt en tid i Oslo i midt 90's og hus ham fra de dagene. Om han er enda aktiv han er nyttig på en senere tid. Han er sympatisk til et profesjonelt forslag for hjelp om De vet betyr hva jeg.

Håp at De leser dette mitt Norsk sucks. :-)

Nick

In a completely unrelated question Fredrik (if I may) are you familiar with the Swedish millionaire Ian Wachmeister? He used to be a financial supporter of Folkviljan I believe and was generally sympathetic to our general ideaology. Jeg brukt en tid i Oslo i midt 90's og hus ham fra de dagene. Om han er enda aktiv han er nyttig på en senere tid. Han er sympatisk til et profesjonelt forslag for hjelp om De vet betyr hva jeg.

Håp at De leser dette mitt Norsk sucks. :-)

Nick

Yes, Ian Wachtmeister; he and another millionaire started an anti-immigration party in the early nineties, New Democracy, and entered the Riksdag in 1992. The Jew-owned and state-controlled media went after them with everything they had, e.g. by having reporters play drunks and call local ND operatives late in the evenings in the hope of catching them making racist remarks. They failed, but they still aired what little they had, and conveniently all media outlets looked the other way, while they would have cried "outrage" had this happened to any other party.

Much because of the snake-like attacks of the media on ND people, but also because of tensions between the left and right within the party, New Democracy split and lost its seats in the Riksdag. Ian Wachtmeister later supported Folkviljan, the People's Will ... now, the largest nationalist party, Swedish Democracy, has lately received a million crowns or so every year for the past few years from one or more millionaires. The upper echelons of the SD know where the money comes from, but his name remains a secret. Quite possibly it could be Ian Wachtmeister.

No worries, your Norwegian is understandable. :)
What were you doing in Norge?

Yes, Ian Wachtmeister; he and another millionaire started an anti-immigration party in the early nineties, New Democracy, and entered the Riksdag in 1992. The Jew-owned and state-controlled media went after them with everything they had, e.g. by having reporters play drunks and call local ND operatives late in the evenings in the hope of catching them making racist remarks.....

Ian Wachtmeister later supported Folkviljan, the People's Will ... now, the largest nationalist party, Swedish Democracy, has lately received a million crowns or so every year for the past few years from one or more millionaires. The upper echelons of the SD know where the money comes from, but his name remains a secret. Quite possibly it could be Ian Wachtmeister.

OK, thanks, that's interesting. I wondered if the guy was still around. I haven't heard his name in years.

I have a couple ideas and might be interested in sending him a letter. That's all I'll say here. I assume he lives in Stockholm? (If you know. No further details necessary, I can take it from there.)

No worries, your Norwegian is understandable. :)

What were you doing in Norge?

Ha ha, Takk, det er gode nyheter. Det var aldri meget god begynne med, men det er sikkert rusten nå. Heldigvis er for meg Deres Engelsk utmerket.

I was traveling through Sverige and Norge at the time and fell into a "black" job (cash, under the table) in a restaurant. A very good and helpful couple I met introduced me to some people they knew. I was running low on money anyway and just happened to be in the right place at the right time. I intended on staying for two weeks or a month and it ended up almost a year and a half.

Yes, he is still living in Stockholm as far as I know, and running his investment corporation The Empire. He recently published a book called Elefanterna about Swedish politics, and you can probably get his contact information through the nationalist publishing house, Nordiska förlaget. (http://www.nordiskaforlaget.com/)

Svartjobb, yes, what all Swedes have to do every now and then to escape the crushing tax pressure, the world's highest. If our people didn't have such unusually high quality we would have been broken by that tax pressure long ago. Hope you enjoyed your stay in Norway! I haven't been there much at all, I am ashamed to say, but I have been to Finland and Denmark a great deal. Did you note any particular differences between Norway and Sweden? Or between Norway and the rest of the world?

I' m a Greek and i hate EU ,UN, and other pro ZOG org.United Europe ,yes ,but with respect to ethnicities,WHITE and free from third world immigrants is what we need.
A FREE N.S. EUROPE!!!!!

Yes, he is still living in Stockholm as far as I know, and running his investment corporation The Empire. He recently published a book called Elefanterna about Swedish politics, and you can probably get his contact information through the nationalist publishing house, Nordiska forlaget (http://www.nordiskaforlaget.com/).

Thanks very much for the link to Nordiska förlaget. I'll try that as a starting point.

Did you note any particular differences between Norway and Sweden? Or between Norway and the rest of the world?

That's quite an interesting question. It was noticable to me at the time and still is. In many ways Norge and Sverige are quite similar, yet in many ways they're very different. "Scandinavia" is stereotyped by most Americans and many Europeans as a single entity. However, until one has spent time in the individual countries (Norge, Sverige, Danmark, Island) it's easy to not recognize that there are differences between them all.

This conversation is getting a bit off the original topic so let me think that over and post my reply in a new thread.

As a simple American traveller passing through Sweden then as a short time resident of Norway I don't presume to have any special insight into either nation. But I will give you my personal observations. They're both Scandinavian countries to be sure but they are seperate, distinctive lands. The Scandinavian flavor is unmistakable in both places but they approach things a bit differently. Contrasting the two nations and their way of doing things is/was quite interesting.

Have you been to The States? Have you been to Canada? There are distinct differences between both countries but in many ways they're quite similar. It's difficult to describe the subtle differences between them accurately. I found a similar situation between Sweden and Norway. I'll try to describe the differences I noticed.

Svartjobb, yes, what all Swedes have to do every now and then to escape the crushing tax pressure, the world's highest. If our people didn't have such unusually high quality we would have been broken by that tax pressure long ago.

Right. Yes, the Swedish tax rates are beyond belief. It makes you wonder how a few people like Wachtmeister can manage to become wealthy and how anyone else can manage it at all. The tax rates in Norge are (were, I don't know about now) not quite so high, but they were close. I was working a split shift from 09:00 to 14:00, then back to work at 18:00 to 23:00. That was for 400 NOK a day cash. That was enough money to rent a room from some friends but NFW I could have rented a flat and paid bills with that kind of money. Such is the life of an illegal working man...

Hope you enjoyed your stay in Norway!

Thanks ! I did very much. I still keep in contact with friends there and might be able to arrange a visit in the near future....

I haven't been there much at all, I am ashamed to say, but I have been to Finland and Denmark a great deal.

Perfectly understandable. Canada is next door to the US but I don't get up there nearly as often as I would like to. Their government is as criminal as the USA but Canada is a fun place full of great people. But I don't make the trip often anymore.

I think you'll agree that Denmark is the coolest, it's par excellence. The Danes know it too. They regularly make jokes about Swedes and Norwegians taking the ferry across to have some fun in Danmark (I'm talking about before the bridge was built. They probably make even more jokes about it now. I haven't been there since the bridge was constructed). But a bit of national chauvinism is a good thing. I respect that and am not offended by it in the least.

I like Finland very much too but the language is indecipherable. I hate being in a place where I can't speak or read at least a few words of the local lingo. My tiny bit of Norsk/Svensk or English was OK to get around there, but it's no fun if you don't speak some of their language no matter where you are. Finnish is beyond me.

Your question about Sverige and Norge: they're alike, yet different. Let me think about that and see if I can put it into proper words. I'd be interested in hearing what any native Swedes and Norwegians reading this have to say about that as well.

Greece is a poor country for most Greeks, but of course, there are a handfull of wealthy ones. I was last there some 14 years ago & I doubt it has changed much. The infrastructure (roads, hospitals etc...) are at parr with Latin Americas and the mentality isn’t much different, especially when it comes to social solidarity. You can see it on the coast line. Their wealth is derived from tourism and invested in property. New houses are built along the coast, but when you have to go to a hospital there, you’ll be lucky if they happen to have any anesthetic on that particular day. Greece has been in the EU since the late 70’s at about the same time England and Portugal joined. If it wasn’t for the 30 year long transfair allowance from the productive North, I’d hate to see how much worse it could be there.
I think patriotism there stems from ancient past glories, much the same as how many worship the Germans because of the 3rd Reich. Greeks have free movement within the EU and are to be found in mostly northern countries.
This “Macedonia” dispute is somewhat childish. I view this a non-issue in cross-border relations. Could you imagine Ohio embargo-ing Michigan because Michigan declares itself Ohio? Ohio should be flattered that Michigan wants to be Ohio, instead. That century long childish Balkan bickering is the reason why the Turks were able to keep a 500 year foothold in Europe (“Divide & Conquer”), until the Pan-Slav Russians had to rescue the Balkans from the mess which they’ve themselves created. Macedonia is a nothern province in Greece and at the same time, a country located at the borders with Greece, Bulgaria, Albania, Serbia and Montenegro in the middle of one of the poorest regions in Europe. The only one of those countries who have consequently approached the “Turkish Question” was Bulgaria in the 70’s who have deported Turks, who refused to integrate, en masse to their rightful west Asia. Albania is a non-White country, thus not included in the aforementioned. Bulgaria, under Zhivkov(?) began forcing Turks there to Slavicise their names and renounce their culture in an attempt to prevent a Palistinization of the region without having to erect a concrete wall to keep them out. As you would guess, the majority if not all ethnic-racial Turks didn’t go for this, thus under Soviet sanction were “abtransportiert” to the border. Because of the so-called Cold War, outside medlers were in no position to do anything about it. Incidently, Israel is now 60% Palestinian because of demographic imbalance. The birthrates between both Semetic tribes is radically differentiated, which mentioning this, reminds me of the “Albanian Problem”.
Kosovo was once Serbian until depopulated by a ruling Turkish Sultan, during the 1600’s, as an answer to a nationalist insurrection. In order to keep the region loyal, the Sultan opened the region to moslem Albanian migration. In due time, the region became populated with mostly Albanians who, as the Palestinians, repopulate like the rats in those 3rd Reich propaganda films. I’m sure I don’t have to elaborate on what kind of people Albanians are, especially to the Europeans who post here, who know them all too well. Anyway, the Turks use these “Trojan Horse” tactics, present day. If they succeed in entering the EU, the main pillar supporting the White Struggle will topple!
I lived in Denmark as an American citizen, in the mid-80’s, married to a Dane. Upon divorce,
you couldn’t imagine the swiftness and zeal the authorities had for hunting me down, as a European White man, for deportation. Having also an EU country citizenship, all I had to do was to go to Helsingör (My 2nd favorite city in Denmark), hop on to a ferry (the small Norwegian ferry was the most fun), make the round trip and re-enter on my EU papers. I didn’t do this as a matter of principal. The country is infested with Turks, only a few of them married to Danes, so why do they get to stay, but not Whites?!
Jews have unlimited access to immigration into Germany, but it’s mostly mix-breed Soviet Jews (the worst I’ve ever met) who take up the offer (Israel is too dangerous) or some down and (3 strikes you’re) out American Jew taking advantage of the Welfare safety net.
I wonder why Antiochus evades the Turkish issue and Pan-Slavism. Has he perhaps turkish blood, to a percentage?

Have you been to The States? Have you been to Canada? There are distinct differences between both countries but in many ways they're quite similar. It's difficult to describe the subtle differences between them accurately. I found a similar situation between Sweden and Norway. I'll try to describe the differences I noticed.

I agree about Canada and the US; and still you have Canadians swear on their mother's grave that they are oh-so-different from Americans, but I tell them that hey, that's because you have nothing to compare with. U.S. and Canadian culture are practically twins if you compare them to, shall we say, Kenya or Burma or Nicaragua, right? Or why not Mexico. Or even any European country. (This lengthy reply for the benefit of any Canadian reading this now or in the future)

My thoughts on Nordic countries (the "North" is Scandinavia plus Finland and Iceland, although some, and nearly all foreigners in fact, tend to talk about the North as Scandinavia, which isn't that bad an error) are the same. There is a lot of bantering between Norwegians and Swedes, and we use countless jokes to show how stupid the others are, but we know that we are practically twins, at least when compared to other countries.

Yet, Norwegians tend to be more fierce in their feelings about Sweden than Swedes are about Norwegians. To some degree this difference stems from Swedes being the calmest and most forgiving people on earth, but there is also the fact that we were once in a "union," and the Norwegians will never forget who were calling the shots back then. They have for the most part been dominated by Denmark throughout history, and after that Sweden, so they are ticklish in their nationalism. And there's a whole lot less Norwegians than Swedes, so they have that smaller brother-syndrom that Canada has in regard to the United States, and I imagine there are many other examples throughout the world. Switzerland toward Germany perhaps, Portugal toward Spain, and Belgium toward France and the Netherlands?

GB, Sweden's largest ice cream maker, once tried to expand to Norway. They have had a successful enterprise in Sweden for many decades, to once a week visit every neighborhood with the "ice cream car," a mobile ice cream vendor which plays a special tune that all Swedes recognize. The ice cream sold comes in large boxes that you can't buy in the store, so a family with kids will benefit from buying these packages rather than buying a GB popsicle in the store every now and then.
However, a Norwegian ice cream company aired commercials on television of Swedes in suits sitting in a dark, sterile boardroom, evilly planning how to conquer the Norwegian market. Thus Norwegians boycotted GB. Go figure.




Right. Yes, the Swedish tax rates are beyond belief. It makes you wonder how a few people like Wachtmeister can manage to become wealthy and how anyone else can manage it at all.

My American girlfriend, though "liberal," was astonished by this. Nothing like reality to smash propaganda to pieces. I remember once when we were in a store to buy glassware to her parents, and she saw that the prices were easily three times what they would be in the U.S. She commented, "How do you afford to dress your children?!" I said that we don't; we have to depend on handouts from the government. The same government that upholds a tax pressure of 51 percent of GDP, the only in the world that is above fifty percent. (The tax pressure is income tax, tax for businesses, and VAT combined. The EU average is about ten percentage points less.)

Of course we are far beyond the point where, according to Laffer, taxes optimize the will to work. We are to the right of that peak in the curve, in the slope where the tax pressure instead discourages work and enterprise. And the wealthy, those of Wachtmeister's caliber, often move to London instead. Engineers, economists, and many others move there too in a gigantic brain-drain. As one economist put it, "London is quickly becoming one of Sweden's top ten cities."

But doctors move to Norway instead. Has to do with some benefits they get there, I think. And an engineer who speaks German is wise to move to Germany. Now, many of those Swedes who move to dull and grey London would be much happier in the United States, but since they are White there is a huge wall of rules and laws designed to prevent them from moving to the U.S.


I think you'll agree that Denmark is the coolest, it's par excellence.

I don't know about that; whenever you extend your knowledge about Denmark you run into stuff that is simply weird. One example on the top of my hat is that they have, in weekly magazines designed for ladies, topless women in the middle, like in Playboy. What's up with that? Danes are much more obsessed with sex than Swedes and Norwegians are. As for people taking the ferry over, that has little to do with Denmark in itself and everything to do with that the taxes on alcohol are much lower.

Sweden is richer in so many ways, though I would prefer Denmark to many other countries of course. One good thing with Denmark is that their media has a freer climate, so that nationalism can be heard, which is why they now have a nationalist party supporting the government. I would like to see a list of the media owners; I bet it's not half as many Jews as in Sweden.

I like Finland very much too but the language is indecipherable. I hate being in a place where I can't speak or read at least a few words of the local lingo. My tiny bit of Norsk/Svensk or English was OK to get around there, but it's no fun if you don't speak some of their language no matter where you are. Finnish is beyond me.

Of course, it's a Finno-Ugrian language. Being a Swede every country I go to has a foreign language, not like for an English-speaker, and Finland is actually the only other country in the world where Swedish is an official language, which is fun. (Proof there is no God, or at least that he's a lazy son of a bitch: any deity would prefer Swedes being counted in the hundreds of millions and covering entire continents, instead of the dreg we have now.) Fins have a much stronger nationalism than Swedes, probably because they have always been threatened and invaded by Russia. Their parties are all more nationalist than Swedish parties, and they have a nationalist party in their parliament, Sannfinnarna ("The True Fins"). They are typically more down to earth than most other countries. Imagine, this is a place with virtually no natural resources, like Japan, and just like Japan they have still managed to create an astonishingly prosperous economy. Also, they have the smallest number of police officers in proportion to the population, but have, if I remember correctly, the lowest crime rates in the EU. The police confirm that the people generally have a high moral standard and help the police to solve crime. This is because it is a WHITE country. If all White countries were independent and free from muds we would be even more prosperous than Finland, since most of our countries have more natural resources.

Fins also understand the pleasure of sauna baths. Who can deny that that is a clear sign of highly developed culture and taste? They also have sisu. (http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/index357.htm)

Outside of the Swedish towns and villages Fins can still speak Swedish, since they learn it in school, but the quality varies. You can always have a conversation with them in English though, even if their skills in that language are not always as good as in Sweden.

Funny story: After WWI, when Finland broke free from Russia since their strong autonomy would be abolished by the vicious Bolsheviks, there was a question of how to deal with Åland, a group of islands in the middle of the Baltic Sea which belonged to Finland but had an entirely Swedish population. The matter was unwisely left to the League of Nations to decide. Despite a 90 percent vote in Åland in favor of becoming Swedish the LN decided that it should remain a "Swedish landscape under Finnish governance." So there are actually 29 Swedish landscapes, not 28 as we learn in school.

However, Åland has considerable autonomy, and really isn't of much use at all to Finland. They are so autonomous that they could choose to remain outside the EU, which they did. Ålanders guard their Swedish nature furiously; one vendor once asked if his new shop in Åland could have a Finnish sign on the door, and the authorities told him that any sign should preferably be in Swedish, but could be in some other language, as long as it wasn't in Finnish. Thus, Åland remains Swedish territory to this day. They don't even have to do any military service, which makes them lazy and far too haughty for their own good. Åland is a good place for going to on vacation every now and then; cheaper booze, lots of sea and saunas, and the trip over on the ferry is fun. I recommend it to anyone who wants to have a calm vacation in the Baltic Sea. The best vacation would of course be in the Stockholm archipelago, but most people aren't aware of that and don't know how to go about arranging a vacation there, and those of us who know prefer not to tell.

.............................Åland is a good place for going to on vacation every now and then; cheaper booze, lots of sea and saunas, and the trip over on the ferry is fun. I recommend it to anyone who wants to have a calm vacation in the Baltic Sea. The best vacation would of course be in the Stockholm archipelago, but most people aren't aware of that and don't know how to go about arranging a vacation there, and those of us who know prefer not to tell.
Who wants to get bored to death over there, when one could have lots of fun in neighboring Denmark?

Who wants to get bored to death over there, when one could have lots of fun in neighboring Denmark?

Wow, DF, way to pick a fight over nothing. Feeling bored and aggressive today?

I agree about Canada and the US; ...........................w prefer not to tell.
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My thoughts on Nordic countries (the "North" is Scandinavia plus Finland and Iceland, although some, and nearly all foreigners in fact, tend to talk about the North as Scandinavia, which isn't that bad an error) are the same. There is a lot of bantering between Norwegians and Swedes, and we use countless jokes to show how stupid the others are, but we know that we are practically twins, at least when compared to other countries.

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Norwegians and Swedes are less twins than Danes and Norwegians. Yes, jokes are made between all 3, but more jokes are made about the Swedes and rightly so. Any northern country which voluntarily joins the EU, at this late stage of the game, deserves to be at the butt end of jokes. Sweden relies on more foreign intellectual employment than the other 2. A German heads the Saab automotive design team and an Englishman heads Volvo’s automotive chassis design team and the list goes on. Norway is pretty much self-sufficient especially with oil, but also has a more successful social policy and lower taxes. The Danes always wonder why the Swedes let their government tell them what to do. The nuclear reactor in Malmö can be seen from the Danish coast, on a clear day, and is a confirmation of this prejudice the Danes have for their wood-headed neighbors to the north. The Danes can control their alcohol consumption and it takes them a lot more to get them drunk than 1 bottle of “Danish Dynamite”. I’ve never had a customs officer open a sealed can of beer thus pouring it out thinking that high percentage alcohol was in there and then compensating me monetarily instead of replacing the can of beer, except in Yo-Yo Sweden. Nobody calls the police on each other so often as in police state Sweden. Go there on a weekend night and see everybody gather in the public square to drink bottles of vodka until publicly staggering, pissing and, at last, puking. Looks like the Russians and probably you people originated there and should all get abtransportiert to Siberia and to have Sweden repopulated with an Aryan race of people. I don’t like to pit White colored people against White people, but this bragging is pissing me off and at some time must be reprimanded, thus constructed criticism is necessary.

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Yet, Norwegians tend to be more fierce in their feelings about Sweden than Swedes are about Norwegians.

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Of course. Swedes brag about how they are the best until it comes down to it. Who let the Wehrmacht transit by train to Norway back then? Who refused 2 times to hunt out Soviet submarines out of Swedish national waters? Are these cases of bravery?

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To some degree this difference stems from Swedes being the calmest and most forgiving people on earth, but there is also the fact that we were once in a "union," and the Norwegians will never forget who were calling the shots back then. They have for the most part been dominated by Denmark throughout history, and after that Sweden, so they are ticklish in their nationalism.

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My history book tells me that tiny Denmark called the shots for a couple of hundred years in Sweden alone al the way up to the tundra.

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And there's a whole lot less Norwegians than Swedes, so they have that smaller brother-syndrom that Canada has in regard to the United States, and I imagine there are many other examples throughout the world. Switzerland toward Germany perhaps, Portugal toward Spain, and Belgium toward France and the Netherlands?

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…or as Sweden now has to the EU, perhaps? What does Norway need from you that cant be obtained elsewhere except for nuclear generated cheap electricity and your roads for logistic truck lorry transport?

Every now and then you get these idiots on the forums who throw around nonsense to justify their spewing hatred on a particular White country, and it just gets weirder and weirder. Often it is a Slavicist being jealous of Germanics, but I have even seen a "Celt" thinking himself pure Celt, not an ounce of Germanic, even though it's basically the same thing, claiming that everything bad in Europe is caused by Germanics. Now we have this loser doing his thing. So what are you, DF? Slav or Romanic or what? Not that I couldn't imagine that a German could hate Swedes too, though it's rare to see one stupid enough to actually demonstrate it. :)

A typical strategy is to use anti-White or anti-conservative laws in a country to show how "bad" its people is. As if these laws wouldn't be made by the race traitors a nationalist is supposed to fight, instead of pretending those race traitors and the people they betray are one and the same! Ohh, little DF, you crack me up. How pathetic. You can't be too old, now can you? You need more than this to play with the big boys.

"My history books tell me..." aww, isn't that sweet, the boy knows how to read. Not too well though, it seems. Perhaps you should read more carefully. Sweden was occupied by Denmark a few years around 1500 before Gustaf Wasa kicked them out. Sweden has beaten the shit out of Denmark a couple of times after that, most notably when Denmark-Norway, Poland-Saxony and Russia all attacked Sweden at the same time but failed to take the country. And Sweden has occupied Denmark and forced Norway into a union -- but what does that matter, little boy?

Similarly, what does it matter which Whites are the heads of a couple of Swedish corporations? The majesty of a people is shown by the collective work of all its members, not a few individuals. Grow up, learn more about macro economics, and understand that you will probably have your ass whipped if you try to be cocky at a message board without enough intelligence to build a good case. :cool:

Any northern country which voluntarily joins the EU, at this late stage of the game, deserves to be at the butt end of jokes.

Ohh, little boy ... didn't Denmark join the EU in the 90s? Ouch, too bad, eh? And didn't Swedes reject the Euro in a referendum just last year, while Germany abandoned the D-mark in favor of the Euro? And as for this "late stage," isn't Germany one of the two countries that dominate the EU and have turned it into the sucky organization that it is at this "late stage"? Oh, dear: what are you going to use now to justify throwing shit around?

Like I wrote above, a common strategy among less knowledgeable nationalists is to belittle a White country by pointing out the actions of the anti-nationalists within it. Hey DF, how about throwing shit at Americans because of what their governments have done in the past and present? Or how about throwing shit at the German people because the German government allows shitskins into the country, and allows perverted gay parades on its streets? Or how about throwing shit at Denmark for having junkies inhabit "Christiania" without being arrested?

Oops, not so fun, this mudslinging game, when you discover it goes both ways, is it?

Sweden relies on more foreign intellectual employment than the other 2.

That's "two" in English. Come on, don't be lazy, you can write the word; it's just three letters, you can manage that. And as for foreign intellectual employment ... umm, riiight. So let's forget the many Swedish engineers that move to Germany and help the industry there -- see? It goes both ways. But what were you pretending to prove here? That the average IQ in Sweden would be lower than in other White countres, and that's why Sweden would need foreign professionals? Yes? You really believe that? Prove it, boy: show us the numbers. I am waiting eagerly, this will be fun to see.

I don’t like to pit White colored people against White people, but this bragging is pissing me off and at some time must be reprimanded, thus constructed criticism is necessary.

*ROTFLOL*

That's a good one!

Of course. Swedes brag about how they are the best until it comes down to it. Who let the Wehrmacht transit by train to Norway back then?

Why, the Swedish government of course. You think this speaks against Sweden? Tell us how. How does it speak against Sweden that a coalition government gave some aid and did business with the Third Reich? Are you an anti, DF? You're anti-nazist? Then wtf are you doing here? There's an opposition forum for you. Go fetch!


Who refused 2 times to hunt out Soviet submarines out of Swedish national waters?

*BG* I think you need to read up on your history. You can't just cherry-pick stuff and think it makes you look smart. Sweden chased suspected Soviet submarine activity throughout the latter part of the Cold War. Oops, didn't know that, did you? It was done mainly in the extremely difficult waters of the Stockholm archipelago, where the different water segments make it well-nigh impossible to find a submarine that doesn't want to be found. I'll spare you the details, you wouldn't understand them anyway. And actually, there are three very interesting stories about Swedish military activity aimed at the Soviet Union that were classified until recently, though I don't feel inclined to write about them here.

But again, you're trying to use the actions of non-nationalist governments as a bat against a White people? You think you'll impress anyone that way? *L* More mature visitors, which is to say 95 percent of visitors, will just roll their eyes at you. You need something more than this; back to the drawing table!

My thoughts on Nordic countries (the "North" is Scandinavia plus Finland and Iceland, although some, and nearly all foreigners in fact, tend to talk about the North as Scandinavia, which isn't that bad an error) are the same....


It sounds like Der Führer has a lot more experience in Denmark and Sweden than I do Fredrik. He's more passionate about the differences than I am, but I must admit some of his points are funny. Probably not so funny to you though. But I wouldn't take it so seriously.

Just a few random thoughts and observations: One of the biggest difference I noted between Sverige and Norge was the sometimes officious attitude I encountered in more than a few (not all of course) Swedes. The Norwegians seemed to be generally more relaxed, they didn't need to be constantly emphasizing their self-appointed superiority as some Swedes I met felt obliged to do. I'll stress here that I'm only talking about SOME Swedes, I met many who were extremely friendly and helpful. On the other hand, that relaxed attitude may explain why many Norwegians were more willing to settle for simply "adequate" products or performance whereas Swedes often would insist on perfection or near perfection. There are advantages and disadvantages to both points of view. But from my experience Swedes were more "demanding" customers when doing business. That attitude does promote high quality in all things so that's not meant as a criticism.

Stockholm was a generally cleaner city than Oslo when I was there last. However in comparison to American cities of similar size Oslo looks exceedingly neat and tidy. Stockholm by the same comparison looks like something out of a fairy tale -- I wish most Americans could see Stockholm and understand what a large city CAN be.

Swedish "real" beer was impossible to find outside of pubs and the State stores, the only thing available in private shops was the weak, American style "lite" beer.
That was frustrating. That wasn't the case in Norway where the real thing was freely available.

Contrary to popular stereotype, I found much of the food in both countries excellent. The "home cooking" or average working man's fare eaten by the natives to the region I mean. The cuisines are similar. I can't find fløtesild here that comes close to what I had in Sverige and Norge and I like that a lot. Great brød and ost, and the REAL øl in Sweden (not the weak tea) is great as well....

I guess my first point is what stuck me as the biggest difference between the two. I had an easier time making acquaintences with Norwegians than I did with Swedes. The Swedes seemed a little (lot) more reserved. It took more time to get to know many of them past the point of superficiality. That is a common complaint about Americans, btw, and it's true -- but that is because many Americans ARE superficial, ha ha. What you see is all you get. Most Swedes though are well educated and well informed, but not many are as open with strangers as I found the Norwegians to be. Some were, just not as many.

I'll have to take your word on the feelings of patriotism in Swedes and Norwegians. I found a strong sense of Nationalism amongst the Norwegians but nothing less so in the Swedes I met. Having been invaded and occupied in the last war probably has much to do with that sentiment in Norge. The jokes about Swedes amongst Norwegians were probably no more numerous than vice versa. They were just good natured jokes for the most part, I didn't detect any real hostility. You knew that already I'm sure.

By the way, the Swedish and Norwegian expressions must be the same. I used to translate the American expression directly "Av toppet av mitt hode" and that always got a laugh from Norwegians. They were constantly correcting me "Ingen, dets 'av toppet av min HATT!'"

Anyway, those are a few differences that come to mind. I don't want to start a micro-battle here amongst Northern Europeans. Every European national culture and ethos differs slightly but they're still White and they're still European and they're all worth preserving and strengthening. Pride in one's homeland is only natural. Talking about it can create minor disputes with other nationalists but that's unavoidable.

Interesting info about the Åland islands as well. I was aware of them in the geographical sense but didn't know the Swedish-Finnish history. I'd like to see them someday (I think, unless you were discouraging a trip there) when I get back in your neighborhood.

Every now and then you get these idiots on the forums who throw around nonsense to justify their ...................................................spewing hatred on a particular
eyes at you. You need something more than this; back to the drawing table!
Well, nice try on that military bluff. Anybody who knows anything about submarine warfare will prove that you’ve just stepped on your own dick, on that 1. I’m sure that if a Swedish sub DARED to stumble into Soviet waters, the Soviet navy would have had the proper depth charges to flush that drunken turd out of the sea.
If I was anti-White, why ain’t I knocking other White nations except your’s?
Hard drugs are not allowed in Christiania. Anybody caught there possesing them will be immediately thrown out of there. If you have ever been there you would have known this.
I don’t need to write an emotional post. I’ll stay with the facts, as usual, and will respond at length to your post. In the mean time, I have filtered out the following e-mail adresses from my file and will sort out the rest in due time. With these adresses, I’ll invite Norwegians into this discussion so that you will be careful of what you post in the future:
aetat.aarnes@aetat.no
aetat.asker@aetat.no
aetat.eidsvoll@aetat.no
aetat.jessheim@aetat.no
aetat.lillestroem@aetat.no
aetat.loerenskog@aetat.no
aetat.oslo.akershus@aetat.no
aetat.sandvika@aetat.no
aetat.ski@aetat.no
heio@online.no
helge.dannemark@sorum.kommune.no
ka-astra@frisurf.no
karmoerk@online.no
la-mab@online.no
I have at least 4 times as many Danish adresses too.
Sleep well.

Well, nice try on that military bluff. Anybody who knows anything about submarine warfare will prove that you’ve just stepped on your own dick, on that 1.

Aww, poor boy, you don't know anything about this, do you? *S* Anyway, what I wrote about looking out for Soviet intrusions above was all true, and since you didn't dare try to counter any of it, which you can't, I accept your admittance of defeat.

I’m sure that if a Swedish sub DARED to stumble into Soviet waters, the Soviet navy would have had the proper depth charges to flush that drunken turd out of the sea.

Um, as opposed to Norwegian subs, or Danish subs, or West German subs? What are you, a retard? *L*

And I'll help you with the reading exercise, little boy: I didn't write that Swedish subs were spying in Soviet waters during the Cold War. I wrote that Soviet subs were most likely intruding on Swedish waters. Go back and read again, that's the only way you'll learn!

If I was anti-White, why ain’t I knocking other White nations except your’s?

Kind of reminds me of a more important question: if you would be intelligent, why aren't you showing it?
And hey, what are you "Führer" of, little boy? Are we daydreaming again? Did mommy make you cry, and so you had to take the biggest, toughest name you could think of? I hope it makes you feel better to call yourself "führer." I don't hold it against you that you weren't aware of how ridiculous that sounds in other people's ears, your trying to mooch off the glory of another man by taking his title -- a child can't be held responsible to his actions, really.

Hard drugs are not allowed in Christiania. Anybody caught there possesing them will be immediately thrown out of there.

Umm, so? Do you think I wrote there were hard drugs in Christiania? Are we back to your reading disability again? Once again: repeat the reading exercise, and you may learn more.

And, are you that stupid, or do you just pretend that I was holding it against Denmark that the filth in Christiania is allowed to exist? I am fully aware that the drug haven is a result of the anti-White policies all decent Whites abhor, and that includes most Danes. But this is the kind of thing you would jump on instantly if it existed in Sweden, to pretend that it was something to which all Swedes could be held accountable. And now you pretend to misunderstand my mentioning of Christiania. How sad.

And you make apologies for the place too, by saying "hard drugs are not allowed." So? Does that make it better? Are you actually defending Christiania now? My, you're just full of disappointing surprises, aren't you, little boy?

If you have ever been there you would have known this.

No, I have never been there! *LOL* Why should I visit a niggerized drug ghetto?

Are you seriously suggesting that it would be a flaw not to have visited Christiania? Are you seriously saying that it's a merit to have been there? Have you been to that shithole yourself? From your post here it seems that you have. My, you're working hard on losing this argument, aren't you? *LOL*

I don’t need to write an emotional post. I’ll stay with the facts, as usual,

*S* What facts? You don't present any. And I note that you didn't dare reply to my comment on your nonsense attacks: you take anti-White, anti-conservative policies in Sweden and use them to justify your hatred of Swedes, pretending that they would be representative of Swedes as a whole. While in fact they are representative of the local anti-White establishment. You know, what we nationalists are supposed to be against. Maybe you should try that once in a while.

Answer my earlier question: why are you holding it against Sweden that the Swedish government during WWII aided the Germans? If you are supposed to be a real nationalist, I mean.

And I note that you didn't answer my question about your origin. What are you, Slav or Romanic or what? Gypsy, perhaps? You could be a German of course, but most Germans I have met aren't that hateful of other Germanic countries. Then again, it takes all kinds....

In the mean time, I have filtered out the following e-mail adresses from my file and will sort out the rest in due time.

And who cares? Oh, little boy, I feel sorry for you. You really think you will impress anyone by showing us email addresses and saying "Look how many people I know! Aren't I cool?"

With these adresses, I’ll invite Norwegians into this discus
sion so that you will be careful of what you post in the future:

Um, little boy, "careful" of what? Of not acting like an aggressive kid with dyslexia, such as yourself? If you can't stand an objective, normal discussion, then you won't last long in internet forums -- nobody likes an immature thirteen-year-old. By all means, if at least half those internet addresses aren't simply your own inventions to boost your odd bragging, invite some Norwegians. I have always wanted more Scandinavians in this forum. And it's impossible that more than a few Norwegians would be as ridiculous as you in this matter, so it's good that you're showing them your true self.

I have at least 4 times as many Danish adresses too.

Noo, really? You know, we are all very impressed. So you have that many "friends" through the internet? Then noone can fault you for not getting out in the real world more.

What's next? You're gonna tell us that "You better watch it, I can beat you all up, 'cause I'm so big and strong"? That is usually the first thing a teenage moron does online -- but you have your own version of that. "Look how many email addresses I have saved!" We bow to your superior nerdiness! Noone is as nerdy as you! Is your handle perhaps a reference to your wish to be Führer of the Nerds? :D

Lööks like I have even more now to reply to. Are you one of the better examples of Swedish nationalism? You don't seem to be embarrassable, even if you've read your own posts. Poor Sweden, because of your contribution. I think I should invite Swedes rather than the others to this forum after reading these mentally ill posts of yours

I've been away for a while, but let's see what we can do for you now, "führer". Oh my, what a disappointment. You are unable to justify your irrational hatred of Sweden, it seems. Didn't expect any resistance, I assume?

Come on, you can tell us: why would the anti-White, anti-conservative policies of the local ZOG lackeys reflect badly on Swedes as a whole? I suspect that was the only way you could think of to throw shit around, and so far you haven't been able to wiggle out of that one.

And tell us: why would the Swedish coalition government in WWII helping Germany reflect badly on Sweden? What do you mean by that? As a nationalist, if you truly are one, you should think that was a good thing. But once again, you're just throwing forth anything you know of Sweden, which turns out not to be much, and twist it to suit your purposes.

And again, why are you defending the niggerized junkie yard Christiania?

I suspect you are one of those who think yourself a Big Bad Nationalist and fly off the handle at the slightest thing. What triggered your nonsense was probably that I wrote there's some weird stuff in Denmark, am I right? You have a lot to learn, chuckles. Didn't you know the danger with online debates is that you insult people too easily, causing unnecessary flaming, so you should check yourself before posting? You won't get far online with that attitude, especially since you seem unable to back it up.

Yes, go ahead, invite other Swedes. Though I suspect you are just saying anything you can think of in hope of getting an upper hand here. So far your innumerable hordes of International Superfriends have failed to show up in your defense.

And you still avoid stating your origin. Are you Germanic, Slavic, Romanic? Nigger, Burmese, Eskimo? Since you're avoiding it, you're affirming my suspicions. (And now I wouldn't be surprised if we'll hear that you are of the purest Germanic stock. You haven't shown any inhibitions against lying so far, after all.)

Silence was golden for almost a week now

Silence was golden for almost a week now

"I don't start flame wars, I finish them." :D


Anyway,

Nick: interesting that you would mention wars and occupation. Sweden hasn't been at war for something like 200 years now, when our last war with Russia ended after a long period of one war following the other. Perhaps people got tired. But wars have a special place in people's history, and if Sweden had been at war more recently it would probably have heightened the patriotic awareness. Sweden now, according to several sources, celebrates its national day less than any other country in the world. It is racist, you know.

Yes, Åland is a very nice place to visit, especially for anyone who likes the sea, and fishing and sailing and saunas. And people there have a deep sense of "local patriotism" as we call it. Curiously, it's the peripheries, like Norrland in the north, Skåne in the south, Gotland and Åland in the Baltic Sea that have a sense of local patriotism, whereas you find less of it in between them. They all want to emphasize how they are different from Stockholm, especially the Norrlanders who consider everything south of Norrland to be Stockholm sometimes. :)

Indeed, Swedes are highly educated as a whole, though that is slowly changing now, as the schools become more and more of anti-White propaganda centrals and less of learning centers, much like in the United States. I can see a very clear difference in grammar and spelling ability between people in my own age and those seven or eight years younger. Socialism now has become all about anti-Whiteness and anti-family values, copying the "New Left" in the U.S. But at the same time, more and more people react. There is definitely more nationalist awareness now than there was at the beginning of the nineties.

Anyway, other places to visit are the Old Town in Stockholm, with its old buildings, a royal palace, and the Riksdag right next to it on its own little island; Uppsala, with its Doom Church which is 800 years old, the oldest and biggest church in the North, with the graves of Carl von Linné, Sweden's first king Gustaf Wasa (first to create one law and administration for the whole country at least), and other notables -- Uppsala also has the world's most northern mosque, be sure to see it before the revolution comes; the fantastic mountains, forests and open spaces in Norrland, where you can go hiking to your heart's content; and Gothenburg, if you're down south and don't have the time to drive to the good stuff in Stockholm and Uppsala.

I made a list of things big and small that differ between the United States and Sweden, together with my ex-girlfriend; could send it over if you'd like. Some things on it are worth knowing, others are simply funny.

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So what are you, DF? Slav or Romanic or what?
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I’m a percentage of Germanic, Slav and Romanic. I get into more detail about it in my prior posting, if you wish to löök it up.
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Not that I couldn’t imagine that a German could hate Swedes too, though it’s rare to see one stupid enough to actually demonstrate it.
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Do you think a Swede couldn’t push a German into a position of hate? All it takes is to see how some of your less disciplined countrycunts drive recklessly on the German autobahns. There were occasions where I wished I had a Panzerfaust strapped to my vehicle. That would have been the best way to demonstrate it.
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A typical strategy is to use anti-White or anti-conservative laws in a country to show how “bad” its people is.
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This is not the case when dealing with people like you.
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As if these laws wouldn’t be made by the race traitors a nationalist is supposed to fight, instead of pretending those race traitors and the people they betray are one and the same!
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If so, why do your people approach their government in a less dignified way than the Danes and Norwegians do? Do they let their governments lead them around by the nose?
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”My history books tell me...” aww, isn’t that sweet, the boy knows how to read. Not too well though, it seems. Perhaps you should read more carefully. Sweden was occupied by Denmark a few years around 1500 before Gustaf Wasa kicked them out. Sweden has beaten the shit out of Denmark a couple of times after that, most notably when Denmark-Norway, Poland-Saxony and Russia all attacked Sweden at the same time but failed to take the country. And Sweden has occupied Denmark and forced Norway into a union—but what does that matter, little boy?

KLM:
I would ask other readers to research the details of your quote to prove how accurate these claims may be.
Sweden also occupied territory west of Hamburg where the city of Stade was it’s centerpoint. The Germans kicked you out, but this doesn’t change the fact that the inhabitable part of your country was ruled by tiny Denmark. A fact which you do not dispute.
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Similarly, what does it matter which Whites are the heads of a couple of Swedish corporations? The majesty of a people is shown by the collective work of all its members, not a few individuals. Grow up, learn more about macro economics, and understand that you will probably have your ass whipped if you try to be cocky at a message board without enough intelligence to build a good case.
KLM:
The majesty of the German people is thus shown by the collective wörk of all ist members which includes a sizable non-European, unskilled, wörk force, but you never see them running corporations here. When you have foreigners holding intellectual positions in your country, even if they are White, doesn’t this subject the national level of I.Q. to question?
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Any northern country which voluntarily joins the EU, at this late stage of the game, deserves to be at the butt end of jokes.
Ohh, little boy ... didn’t Denmark join the EU in the 90s?

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They were already in for a while when I moved there in 1986. At that time, the Maastricht and following treaties weren’t constituted, yet. I doubt that Denmark would have joined in recent times, especially under the present threat of EU expansion into Asia.

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Ouch, too bad, eh? And didn’t Swedes reject the Euro in a referendum just last year, while Germany abandoned the D-mark in favor of the Euro?
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Yes indeed, only because this question was not put to referendum to the German people who would have rejected this nonsense marginally wide.
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And as for this “late stage,” isn’t Germany one of the two countries that dominate the EU and have turned it into the sucky organization that it is at this “late stage”? Oh, dear: what are you going to use now to justify throwing shit around?
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Germany throws 22 billion EUROs to Brussel’s treasury. When Poland and the others join in, this amount will fall short for the agenda.
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Like I wrote above, a common strategy among less knowledgeable nationalists is to belittle a White country by pointing out the actions of the anti-nationalists within it. Hey DF, how about throwing shit at Americans because of what their governments have done in the past and present?
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I do at every opportunity and I make no secret about it. In fact your country has many similarities with the US, probably because both countries haven’t have had a war on their own territory since a couple hundred years ago. This condition has an effect on a nation’s perception of reality.
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Or how about throwing shit at the German people because the German government allows shitskins into the country, and allows perverted gay parades on its streets?
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I do this at every opportunity.
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Or how about throwing shit at Denmark for having junkies inhabit “Christiania” without being arrested?
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Christiania allows only pot- and hash smokers. Junkies are heroin addicts. Any junkies caught there get immediately thrown out.
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Oops, not so fun, this mudslinging game, when you discover it goes both ways, is it?
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I’m having tons of fun at it.
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Sweden relies on more foreign intellectual employment than the other 2.


That’s “two” in English. Come on, don’t be lazy, you can write the word; it’s just three letters, you can manage that. And as for foreign intellectual employment ... umm, riiight. So let’s forget the many Swedish engineers that move to Germany and help the industry there—see?
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I don’t see. How many? I’ve given you some examples, but haven’t gotten any from you, yet.
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It goes both ways. But what were you pretending to prove here? That the average IQ in Sweden would be lower than in other White countres, and that’s why Sweden would need foreign professionals? Yes? You really believe that? Prove it, boy: show us the numbers. KLM:
Löök up the statistics at your national immigration office, if you really wish to know.
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I am waiting eagerly, this will be fun to see.
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It sure would be, especially the expression on your face.
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Of course. Swedes brag about how they are the best until it comes down to it. Who let the Wehrmacht transit by train to Norway back then?


Why, the Swedish government of course. You think this speaks against Sweden? Tell us how. How does it speak against Sweden that a coalition government gave some aid and did business with the Third Reich? Are you an anti, DF? You’re anti-nazist? Then wtf are you doing here? There’s an opposition forum for you. Go fetch!
KLM:
I made the point of explaining the resentment that your immediate neighbors have because of this transit. I didn’t criticize the Wehrmacht which you know as well as anybody else reading this. This critique is solely in your imagination.
Your government, during that era, was self declared neutral. How credible is a nation who 1st declares itself neutral and subsequently takes sides in a war, regardless if with Norway or with Germany?

This is just too boring, since your "arguments" are so badly informed and pathetic. And what's up with the multiple handles? Need them for your multiple personalities or what, eh, "Führer"?


I’m a percentage of Germanic, Slav and Romanic. I get into more detail about it in my prior posting, if you wish to löök it up.

Thanks, but why should I bother? Anyway, just as I expected then!

Do you think a Swede couldn’t push a German into a position of hate? All it takes is to see how some of your less disciplined countrycunts drive recklessly on the German autobahns.

OH DEAR.... Oh, POOR little Führer, I'm so sorry! You mean ... you mean some women treated you badly on the autobahn?
Your argument holds so much wisdom and insight! Clearly, your ridiculous attack on Sweden is justified by this! Yes, it must be that Swedes are worse drivers than everybody else, and consequently worse people than everybody else. Oh, don't bother to look up actual statistics about how drivers from different countries behave; all we need is your own narrow experiences!

I am glad to see you have sound, profound excuses on which to base your hatred! Clearly the kind of spokesman WNs want on our side. I can imagine you discussing niggers at work: "niggers are bad, because, uhh, one of them cut before me in line to the toilet one day." So persuasive.


A typical strategy is to use anti-White or anti-conservative laws in a country to show how “bad” its people is.
KLM:
This is not the case when dealing with people like you.


Did I say it was? I said it was the case with people like you. Yeesh! Pay attention. :)

If so, why do your people approach their government in a less dignified way than the Danes and Norwegians do?

Really? I am sure you have lots of evidence of this. Please, do share your enormous experience and wealth of facts. It has worked so well for you this far. :D

I would ask other readers to research the details of your quote to prove how accurate these claims may be.

No boy, that's not how it works. You defend your false statements about history, others don't do it for you. So come on liar, tell us of this vast period when Sweden was supposed to be occupied by Denmark. And come on, tell us why it would justify hating Swedes -- though we both know you are just using phony reasons for that.

Come on liar, put up or shut up!


Sweden also occupied territory west of Hamburg where the city of Stade was it’s centerpoint. The Germans kicked you out,

*sob, sob* Really? This is so ... relevant! You sound like a child in your arguments. I can imagine you running around in school chanting "my dad can beat your dad, nah nah nah." For your information boy, the Swedish army beat back the onslaught of the Spanish forces in the Thirty Years' War, on German soil, and took 62 German towns from the Catholics. (Didn't know that, did you?) Thus ending their dream of crushing the strongest Protestant presence in northern Europe and placing a Spanish naval base in the Baltic Sea.

Does it matter? Have I or anyone else used that on this forum to claim that Spaniards or Germans would be inferior? No, that would be ridiculous. Only a moron like you would pretend that it had any relevance.


but this doesn’t change the fact that the inhabitable part of your country was ruled by tiny Denmark. A fact which you do not dispute.

"The inhabitable part of your country." Three questions:

1) Do you suggest it would be a feather in the Danish hat to have held an "inhabitable part" of Sweden? A part where no people lived? Please explain.

2) You mean something else, don't you? "Most habitable," perhaps. People did live there, after all. What the Danes did was they had some land in the south of what is today Sweden. Swedes invaded it, took it, and the Danes never managed to take it back. See, that's the kind of stuff you would use to show a White country's inferiority, isn't it? But oh, darn, now it speaks in Sweden's favor, that episode of history. Better to just pretend you never wrote it, eh?

3) "A fact which you do not dispute." A fact which you didn't even write, boy. I suspect that's because you only now looked it up on the internet to provide you with some much-needed ammo. Tell me, are there any other things you haven't written that I should have "disputed" in advance?

Your arguments so far are quite hilarious. Do you think I dislike Denmark or something? Just because the country has some weird shit in it; no. I'm afraid this conflict between Denmark and Sweden only exists in your feverish mind. Poor Danes, to have a weirdo like you as their self-proclaimed "defender."


The majesty of the German people is thus shown by the collective wörk of all ist members which includes a sizable non-European, unskilled, wörk force,

Ummmmmmmm.... are you saying the non-White immigrants are part of the German people?

Please explain.

This will be very interesting to hear. Especially since you are supposedly a nationalist.


but you never see them running corporations here. When you have foreigners holding intellectual positions in your country, even if they are White, doesn’t this subject the national level of I.Q. to question?

*LOL* You're so cute, chuckles. You are really desperate now. Don't you think there are White foreigners holding positions of power in all White countries? No? You don't? You don't know much about economic matters then, do you? Have you been living in a closet all your life?

There are Swedes employing tens of thousands of people in the US, and Swedish employers in Denmark, Finland, France, Britain ... and so on. Who cares? Capital is more and more a global thing. Seriously, this has to be the best example of "grasping for straws" since ... well, since your attack on Sweden for having helped Germany in WWII.

They were already in for a while when I moved there in 1986. At that time, the Maastricht and following treaties weren’t constituted, yet. I doubt that Denmark would have joined in recent times, especially under the present threat of EU expansion into Asia.

And I doubt Sweden would have joined in recent times. Sweden, unlike Denmark, doesn't have the Euro as a currency, as Swedes rejected it last fall. But so what?

And no boy, you are once again wrong. Denmark wasn't a member of the EU in 1986. The EU didn't even exist in 1986. Denmark was, however, part of something called the EEC, which preceded the EU. They held a referendum to see if they should join in the 90s.

Maybe you should have taken the time to learn something about the country you were living in. If you want to pretend you know something about European history, you could at least make sure to get what little facts you have straight. And once again, who except you thinks it matters which White country is part of the EU and which isn't? Nobody else here is holding it against a country what the ZOG has done to it. That would be like holding it against a rape victim what a rapist has done to her. Do we hold it against Germans what Russians and the Western Allies did to Germany in WWII? Should we?

Your phony arguments for attacking Sweden are not only wrong so far, but also ... pointless....


Yes indeed, only because this question was not put to referendum to the German people who would have rejected this nonsense marginally wide.

Ohh, forgive me: Germany would have rejected it with a larger margin, you are telling us! Clearly a superior country then! Let's count votes in other referendums and elections and see what we can make of it. That seems like a most worthy way of building a case. *S*


Germany throws 22 billion EUROs to Brussel’s treasury. When Poland and the others join in, this amount will fall short for the agenda.

Mmm...hm? What does that have to do with anything? Ah, never mind.

I can't help but suspect that if Sweden had not been a part of the EU, you would have found a way to twist that for your purposes as well. And darn, if only Denmark had been outside the EU! Then you could have used that! Now you can't! Life sucks, doesn't it? *S*



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Like I wrote above, a common strategy among less knowledgeable nationalists is to belittle a White country by pointing out the actions of the anti-nationalists within it. Hey DF, how about throwing shit at Americans because of what their governments have done in the past and present?
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I do at every opportunity and I make no secret about it.

*L* That's pretty moronic. But I wouldn't expect any better from you. Hey, how about throwing shit at Germans then for the millions of German women raped by Russians after WWII? I wouldn't think it below you to do that.


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Or how about throwing shit at Denmark for having junkies inhabit “Christiania” without being arrested?
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Christiania allows only pot- and hash smokers. Junkies are heroin addicts. Any junkies caught there get immediately thrown out.

So you are defending the junkies! *LOL* What a piece of shit you are, boy. And you're calling yourself a nationalist, drug lover? Do you stuff yourself full of that drug shit yourself? That would explain your so far less-than-brilliant "arguments."


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Oops, not so fun, this mudslinging game, when you discover it goes both ways, is it?
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I’m having tons of fun at it.

Because you're an idiot, am I right? Mocking countries for what the ZOG has done to them. That makes me sick. As mentioned before, there's an opposition forum, and I think someone left a dirty syringe and a crack-hoe for you there. Go fetch!


That’s “two” in English. Come on, don’t be lazy, you can write the word; it’s just three letters, you can manage that. And as for foreign intellectual employment ... umm, riiight. So let’s forget the many Swedish engineers that move to Germany and help the industry there—see?
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I don’t see. How many? I’ve given you some examples, but haven’t gotten any from you, yet.

*L* You ignore anything you prefer not to see. Your "examples" are first of all meaningless for the discussion, and second they're anecdotal evidence, which doesn't mean jack shit. (Go look up anecdotal evidence, you might learn something)

Now you want me to provide you with anecdotal evidence? Why should I? Does it matter that, for example, the head of Hewlett-Packard's marketing in Frankfurt is a Swede? Does it matter that American and Swedish companies build factories in Germany? Does that show Germans to be "inferior" in some way? According to your petty logic it would, I suppose.


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It goes both ways. But what were you pretending to prove here? That the average IQ in Sweden would be lower than in other White countres, and that’s why Sweden would need foreign professionals? Yes? You really believe that? Prove it, boy: show us the numbers.
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Löök up the statistics at your national immigration office, if you really wish to know.

Umm, what? That doesn't make any sense, even for you. One thing is not connected to the other -- much like your brain cells.

I made the point of explaining the resentment that your immediate neighbors have because of this transit. I didn’t criticize the Wehrmacht which you know as well as anybody else reading this. This critique is solely in your imagination.

No boy, you're faking it now. You were using it as just one more of your phony arguments for attacking Sweden, for showing how Swedes would be "inferior" or whatever. We both know your real reason is something else, that you haven't mentioned yet, as what you have said so far is just feeble nonsense.

Your government, during that era, was self declared neutral. How credible is a nation who 1st declares itself neutral and subsequently takes sides in a war, regardless if with Norway or with Germany?

"Credible"? *LOL*
How credible was Germany, signing a non-aggression treaty with the USSR and then breaking it? How credible are Danish and Norwegian politicians who pretend they are working for their country's best interests and then import muds? And why should "credibility" be an end in itself? Oh, I know: it is when it suits your arguments for the moment.

I'm sure that if it had been Denmark doing the same thing, and Sweden being occupied, you would have used that to mock Sweden, right? Poor little boy, you don't see how pathetic you are. Sweden helped the Third Reich in a number of ways, and that speaks well of Sweden if anything. And all you know about it is that some trains with German soldiers were allowed to travel on Swedish tracks. You don't even mention that some trains were allowed to pass through to reinforce Finland, since you probably don't even know that much. And all of this is just a meaningless footnote compared to the real help Sweden gave Germany, which was the trade.

Sweden was neutral, which prevented the Brits from bombing Swedish mines. Those mines could then be used for Germany's benefit. See? I'm even making your case for you better than you do.

So you really think it was bad of a White country to help Germany? I'll make sure to remember that, anti.

....I made a list of things big and small that differ between the United States and Sweden, together with my ex-girlfriend; could send it over if you'd like. Some things on it are worth knowing, others are simply funny.


Sure, that should be interesting. But it might be worthwhile to post it. I'd like to think we all have a sense of humor and can have a laugh at ourselves now and then. If you would prefer not to post it so as to avoid any possible hard feelings PM it to me and I'll keep it private.

Does it matter? Have I or anyone else used that on this forum to claim that Spaniards or Germans would be inferior? No, that would be ridiculous. Only a moron like you would pretend that it had any relevance.




"The inhabitable part of your country." Three questions:

1) Do you suggest it would be a feather in the Danish hat to have held an "inhabitable part" of Sweden? A part where no people lived? Please explain.

I finally got corrected, thanx. I meant habitable. What else would Denmark want. They taught you how to brew beer at about that time

....Yes, Åland is a very nice place to visit, especially for anyone who likes the sea, and fishing and sailing and saunas. And people there have a deep sense of "local patriotism" as we call it. Curiously, it's the peripheries, like Norrland in the north, Skåne in the south, Gotland and Åland in the Baltic Sea that have a sense of local patriotism, whereas you find less of it in between them. They all want to emphasize how they are different from Stockholm, especially the Norrlanders who consider everything south of Norrland to be Stockholm sometimes....

....Anyway, other places to visit are the Old Town in Stockholm, with its old buildings, a royal palace, and the Riksdag right next to it on its own little island; Uppsala, with its Doom Church which is 800 years old, the oldest and biggest church in the North, with the graves of Carl von Linné, Sweden's first king Gustaf Wasa (first to create one law and administration for the whole country at least), and other notables -- Uppsala also has the world's most northern mosque, be sure to see it before the revolution comes; the fantastic mountains, forests and open spaces in Norrland, where you can go hiking to your heart's content; and Gothenburg, if you're down south and don't have the time to drive to the good stuff in Stockholm and Uppsala.

* First off, Fredrik I must keep in mind this is the Europa forum and maybe there's a little too much English being written here. I hope this isn't discouraging other Europeans from writing. But anyway....

Of course your comments make me anxious to get back there when I can. Hopefully soon, this year if possible. Maybe I can buy you a cup of coffee when I arrive and you can show me around a bit :-)

I do enjoy Stockholm, but it is incredibly expensive to do anything at all there aside from sight-see. That's why I spent almost all of my time in the countryside and smaller cities. I do like the Swedish "law" or tradition that the entire country belongs to the people. Very few places are restricted, a visitor or hiker can walk almost anywhere he pleases. Sweden is a lovely country, the scenery and natural beauty are often breathtaking (Norway is as well I must add). That is one of the "advantages" of not limiting oneself to Stockholm or Oslo when visiting. There is an incredible amount of beautiful, unspoiled, very sparsely populated land in the Nordic countries and I find that every bit as enticing (if not more) than the big city routine. I enjoy the cities as well, but I prefer to spend most of my time in the countryside and the smaller towns.

I enjoyed Sweden and Norway very much while I was there and I shall see them again soon.

Greece is a poor country for most Greeks, but of course, there are a handfull of wealthy ones. ......Incidently, Israel is now 60% Palestinian because of demographic imbalance. The birthrates between both Semetic tribes is radically differentiated, which mentioning this, reminds me of the “Albanian Problem”..... Anyway, the Turks use these “Trojan Horse” tactics, present day. If they succeed in entering the EU, the main pillar supporting the White Struggle will topple!I wonder why Antiochus evades the Turkish issue and Pan-Slavism. Has he perhaps turkish blood, to a percentage?

1. the Jerusalem post said a year or two ago 1/5 of Israelis are Arab. Are you including the Occupied Territories? You shouldnt because they are outside the 67 borders and nobody but stupid Americans thinks they're part of "Israel." You sound like you know better.

2. Turk Trojan horse, entering Eu etc: yes, that's bad. Turks are not Europeans they are a semitic tribe. Different than Arabs but not Aryan. They do not belong anywhere in Europe, as "gastarbeiters" or permanent residents of any kind anywhere, other than as diplomats or short term guests.

3. You better think before you speak. Since Fred tore you a new asshole, I'm not going to get mad about your taunt, but let me say this. I'm a White American hybrid of 1/4 Greek ancestry, remainder Anglo-Celt and most German. For my Greek kin, they were from Tripolis which is the region which includes Sparta. No fucking Turks in my family, not going backwards through my patrilineal line, which we have traced to the 1790s, and not sideways either. So that's ZERO percent for your information.

I notice people talk shit pretty easy on a message board. I'm going to try and not take myself too seriously, and assume you're just fucking with me for fun. Very funny. I'm not really amused. You ought to know enough to know that's about as bad as calling somebody a Jew.

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1. the Jerusalem post said a year or two ago 1/5 of Israelis are Arab. Are you including the Occupied Territories? You shouldnt because they are outside the 67 borders and nobody but stupid Americans thinks they're part of "Israel." You sound like you know better.
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No, I don’t know better and I won’t pretend to either. I saw this on Television and this had to do with some high wall being erected in order to separate both Semitic tribes. I had the impression that this ratio pertained to the sums of both Jews and Palestinians in their entirety, in the region.
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2. Turk Trojan horse, entering Eu etc: yes, that's bad. Turks are not Europeans they are a semitic tribe. Different than Arabs but not Aryan. They do not belong anywhere in Europe, as "gastarbeiters" or permanent residents of any kind anywhere, other than as diplomats or short term guests.
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Are you shure that they are Semitics? I had the impression that they were “Turkmen” originating from Central Asia. There are no similarities between Turkmen and Semitic languages, to begin with.
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3. You better think before you speak. Since Fred tore you a new asshole,
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Oh really? Fred Who? You don’t really mean that emotional basketcase who posts on this thread? My ass is just fine. Maybe you ought to think before you write and detail on which points he’s tearing my ass up with.
Just because I’m not done with him yet (don’t rush me please), I wouldn’t get the impression that I’ve lost on this litigation. I would read the posts again if I were you. I’ll get to him when I’ve nothing more important to do and will introduce the Russian submarine question in a new thread. Once someone knowledgable in the details of submarine warfare or a historian replies, it’ll be time for both of you to get out of yours’ corner and see a surgeon about getting new assholes yourselves. It’s only a matter of time. I’m not that young where I didn’t see news reels on both intrusion incidents.
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I'm not going to get mad about your taunt, but let me say this. I'm a White American hybrid of 1/4 Greek ancestry, remainder Anglo-Celt and most German. For my Greek kin, they were from Tripolis which is the region which includes Sparta. No fucking Turks in my family, not going backwards through my patrilineal line, which we have traced to the 1790s, and not sideways either. So that's ZERO percent for your information.
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What was customary for that ¼ of your ancestry to do in case of unwanted child birth through Turkish rape, which I suppose wasn’t all that infrequent. Was the infant immediately destroyed? Or did Christianity forbid this? Perhaps the village patriarch kept an eye closed. I’m also an American hybrid of Austrian, North Italian and Bulgarian percentages, but it’s that Bulgarian percentage which is at most in the dark. The Turkish occupation dismantled all Bulgarian institutions as well as your Greek ones, which is why your ancestry is untraceable beyond 1790 and which your “No Turk” claim could only apply up to this point in time. For all I know, I might be part Jew and/or Turk somewhere down the line and that I can thank the Turks for the favor of erasing my liniage so that one of my grandparents didn’t have to get a lung full of Zyklon B, if that’s the case.
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I notice people talk shit pretty easy on a message board. I'm going to try and not take myself too seriously, and assume you're just fucking with me for fun. Very funny. I'm not really amused. You ought to know enough to know that's about as bad as calling somebody a Jew.
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Calling one a Jew and accusing that person of existing as a Jew are quite different cases. I questioned any possible membership in either the Turkish race or the Jewish one to provoke a reply from you on certain issues which have to do with that ¼, aforementioned. To be born a Jew, incidentally is no ones fault. What one does with their Jewness afterwards is another thing.

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Are you shure that they are Semitics? I had the impression that they were “Turkmen” originating from Central Asia. There are no similarities between Turkmen and Semitic languages, to begin with.

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Calling one a Jew and accusing that person of existing as a Jew are quite different cases. I questioned any possible membership in either the Turkish race or the Jewish one to provoke a reply from you on certain issues which have to do with that ¼, aforementioned. To be born a Jew, incidentally is no ones fault. What one does with their Jewness afterwards is another thing.

Turks may be Caucasian and less negroid than other semitics like Arabs, but their tongue is non-Aryan. By contrast, the Persian language-- what do they call it, Farsi? is a member of the Indo-European language group.

I think Rienzi had a good chart showing genetic similarity and distance of Europids and non-Europid Caucasians like Turks and North Africans. Check the "legion europa" website.

As for me, you got me with your provocations. Being born anything is not anyone's fault of course but this isnt about fault.

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3. You better think before you speak. Since Fred tore you a new asshole, ....
Meanwhile he's out getting his done by pros in Stockholm's leather bars
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2Turks do not belong anywhere in Europe, as "gastarbeiters" or permanent residents of any kind anywhere, other than as diplomats or short term guests. ....
Now and then, they get let in to kill a Pope
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Turks are not Semites.They are Mongols just like their Khazar Jew cousins.

They probably aren't losing anything by adopting the Euro either, unlike the northern countries that had strong national currencies.Actually, they lost a lot. People who were previously doing well for themselves and getting by without having to struggle suddenly had to start worrying about whether or not they will have enough rent money next month. I relate this as a first-hand account of what I saw and was told when I visited Greece recently.

Greeks were hardly indifferent to the Euro.