A friend of mine is in the market for a handgun. I like revolvers because they're simple and trustworthy.

I like the firepower of a semi, and having a nice Austrian made Glock appeals to me. Plus, you can silence them, in theory.

Anybody have any input?

Finally, caliber. I don't want the recoil of a 44 magnum. I want the stopping power of a 45, but the recoil of a 22. :) I've never had a .22 handgun, but it just seems like fun.

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you could easily just nigger rig a piece/bag of teflon to catch the ejecting shells. No need to spend your hard earned cash

I'd say hands down get a semi-auto, a glock preferably

I'll be the first to say that revolvers are my favorite type of handgun aesthetically, but there's a risk of powder burns (aka evidence) and of course, they're impossible to silence. Unfortunately it's just too convenient to have a magazine to instantly load 15 shots into the gun. You can't take too many chances if you want to stay safe.

.22 is a great, underdog caliber. Most people call it pussish but it's lack of recoil and it's low cost relative to other bullets makes them quite attractive.

e-books on fabricating silencers for .22 firearms are all over kazaa, don't be shy in looking it up. It's for your engineering class! :cool:

A friend of mine is in the market for a handgun. I like revolvers because they're simple and trustworthy. Also, I like the fact that shells don't get ejected until you decide to remove them. However, I read you can't silence them because the space between the cylinder and the barrel will always allow gas to escape.

Tell your friend to rent as many of each type that catches his interest. He should buy the one(s) he like best. He should try most of the common models, like 1911s, Glocks, SIG Sauers, CZs, Makarovs, Berettas, H&Ks, etc.

I like the firepower of a semi, and having a nice Austrian made Glock appeals to me. Plus, you can silence them, in theory.

You can legally own a sound suppressor in most states, but you will have to pay a $200 transfer tax and undergo an arduous background check.

If you wanted a suppressed pistol, remember that caliber matters. A subsonic round like .45 ACP will work better with a suppressor than a lightning round like .357 SIG or 7.62x25.

Finally, caliber. I don't want the recoil of a 44 magnum. I want the stopping power of a 45, but the recoil and loudness of a 22. :) I've never had a .22 handgun, but it just seems like fun. Also, somebody told me that professional mob hitmen prefer 22s because they can be suppressed easily, and are just as lethal if you shoot the right spot from a close enough distance.

Can semis be equipped with some kind of shell catching mechanism?

Recoil of a said cartridge depends on things like the guns weight, barrel length, and method of operation. For example, a short barreled, blowback-operated pistol chambered for a small cartridge can have sharper recoil than a standard recoil-operated .45 (1911-pattern).

Some particularly comfortable examples with a high-powered cartridge? Check out the SIG Arms P239 and P229 in .357 SIG and .40 S&W. Very pleasant to shoot compared to Glocks in the same calibers.

.22 pistols are not necessarily "suppressed easily", they just chamber a small round that doesn't produce nearly the noise or muzzle flash of their centerfire counterparts. A .22 caliber semi pistol equipped with a good suppressor will reduce noise significantly, often to the degree that the hammer striking the firing pin will be louder than the report. Yes, I have shot a suppressed .22 before. I didn't need earplugs.

Shell catchers are simply nets that are made to fit on guns with static ejection ports(MAC, MP5, UZI, AR, FAL).

I'll be sure to pass the advice along to my friend! :D

That is a myth. Modern automatics are more reliable, accurate, and versatile than revolvers. A glock doesn’t use as many moving parts as a revolver and they are safer and more reliable.
A friend of mine is in the market for a handgun. I like revolvers because they're simple and trustworthy.

This makes me think you are trying to discuss illegal activities on a legal message board.
Also, I like the fact that shells don't get ejected until you decide to remove them.
This confirms that you want to discuss illegal activities. Even with a legal tax stamp this is still to hot for racist people. Go to a gun message board for this type of discussion.
However, I read you can't silence them because the space between the cylinder and the barrel will always allow gas to escape.
I won’t event talk to people asking this type of question.
I like the firepower of a semi, and having a nice Austrian made Glock appeals to me. Plus, you can silence them, in theory.
Get a legal 44 special and shoot subsonic ammunition. This is legal. They don’t have the sonic boom and the recoil, but they still shoot nearly the same slug as a 44 magnum.
Finally, caliber. I don't want the recoil of a 44 magnum. I want the stopping power of a 45, but the recoil and loudness of a 22. :)
Buckmark in a Browning is the best for the price.
I've never had a .22 handgun, but it just seems like fun. Also, somebody told me that professional mob hitmen prefer 22s because they can be suppressed easily, and are just as lethal if you shoot the right spot from a close enough distance.

If you shoot subsonic ammo you have to discharge each shell by pulling the slide back. Most subsonic ammo won’t eject with each round until you eject them on your own. 22 ammo is the best for this and you don’t need any illegal modifications.
Can semis be equipped with some kind of shell catching mechanism?

Basically a 22 buckmark shooting subsonic ammo will do whatever in that area. For $200 you can get the gun and a couple hundred rounds of shells. A buckmark will shoot a nickel-sized pattern at 100 feet. The sound is the equivalent to the clap of your hands, and you have to manually eject each shell, as if you chambered the first round.

And best of all it is completely legal, you can buy the ammo at Wal-mart.


Now people please do not feed the discussion of silenced weapons legal or otherwise on this forum. Basically this guy sounds like he is wanting to know about the best way to perform an illegal act and this thread needs to be closed immediately.

A friend of mine is in the market for a handgun. I like revolvers because they're simple and trustworthy. Also, I like the fact that shells don't get ejected until you decide to remove them. However, I read you can't silence them because the space between the cylinder and the barrel will always allow gas to escape.

I like the firepower of a semi, and having a nice Austrian made Glock appeals to me. Plus, you can silence them, in theory.

Anybody have any input?

Finally, caliber. I don't want the recoil of a 44 magnum. I want the stopping power of a 45, but the recoil and loudness of a 22. :) I've never had a .22 handgun, but it just seems like fun. Also, somebody told me that professional mob hitmen prefer 22s because they can be suppressed easily, and are just as lethal if you shoot the right spot from a close enough distance.

Can semis be equipped with some kind of shell catching mechanism?

let's not discuss the illegal applications of firearms or destructive devices. that is covered by first amendment, but we dont want this forum to become sidetracked by that stuff.

with respect to the lawful applications of firearms, I think for people that arent going to get training and practice, revolvers are clearly more preferable as they are inherently safer to use and more reliable.

I like Glocks quite a bit and shoot comp with one. But cops initially fumbled them and famously Matt Rodriquez the Chicago chief of police shot himself in the foot with one. I think Smith won that contract LOL.

Revolvers are definitely simpler to use for people who will not train and practice simply because they are loaded via a fixed magazine ie the cylinder. There is lots of user error associated with jamming revolvers that can't really be eliminated in an autoloader, such as failure to properly seat the magazine. That rarely comes up in a revolver because locking of the cylinder is much more positive mechanically and more ascertainable by sight and touch.

Also revolvers like glocks are simpler in that they lack safeties. I would say for a person who will not be practicing, DAO or Glock type action is the prefered trigger setup in autoloader or revolver.

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Now people please do not feed the discussion of silenced weapons legal or otherwise on this forum. Basically this guy sounds like he is wanting to know about the best way to perform an illegal act and this thread needs to be closed immediately.

That's right. We're not going to probe this area of free speech because we are probing others that are far more consequential. He can look elsewhere for such manuals they are abundant. But the initial question of autoloader v revolver is a popular one so we'll keep the thread open.

Didn't mean anything by it. I just felt like isolating the ideal conditions, in theory, for any situation, for a handgun. Quiet as possible seemed like an asset to me, in theory, and also in practice. If I want to go shoot some trees, I don't want to scare the crap out of everybody within 20 miles. Also, recoil, the least seems the objective best, and obviously, lethality. I mean, it's a gun, you might have to shoot and kill somebody protecting your family with it, you want to know if it will kill someone. Same with shells, ideally, from a theoretical analysis, you wouldn't want to leave shells scattered about anytime you shoot in any situation. It's littering, etc. Or, if a nuclear war happened and you had to protect yourself from the other surivivors who are also scavenging for survival, then you might want to be like a cat, and cover your tracks. It's a big purchase, you want to feel confident that you have the best for every situation.

After reading my post, I think the IDEAL handgun would be a Star Trek death ray thingy. What are they called? Phaser guns? They're lethal, silent, clean, efficient, and shiny. I mean, to make someone disappear into a bunch of TV static? Awesome.

...........It's littering, etc. Or, if a nuclear war happened and you had to protect yourself from the other surivivors who are also scavenging for survival, then you might want to be like a cat, and cover your tracks. ..........

You may not know this but there are shell catchers available for most semiauto rifles. Semiauto pistols, not so much. But, ironically, shooters of semiauto pistols are big on reloading brass. In competition, they and revolver shooters both end up having to pick stuff up because one flies out of the chamber on ejection, and the other empties are ejected from the cynlinder by hand prior to reloads with moon clips and the like. So collecting brass is really a neutral factor. I'm not into all this fantasy bullshit. If you're intended on learning about these other applications you're referring to, do so somewhere else.

I have always thought we had to take a strong line on this kind of stuff, if for no other reason that all the fantasy bullshit keeps us dreaming of pie in the sky Day of the Rope crap, and it doesnt help us fight the jews in the real world of here and now via the easy and effective means at hand. It ends up being a distraction, a safety valve, a net gain for Jews. What's more is, the Jewboys are scanning this forum every day for spooky stuff they think they can embarass us with especially stuff to scare off other Whites. We won't let that stop us from speaking truths, and calling for action against Jews, but we're not going rattle on like wackos pouring over George Hayduke books at a gun show. We're looking for people that will take real effective legal activisms to educated people about Jewish subversion, not fantasists.

I like Glocks quite a bit and shoot comp with one.
I have limited experience with Glocks, but I have never known of one malfunctioning. Have you? If so in what way. If I had to stake my life on a gun I think I would rather it be a glock over anything else.

I had a friend that hated glocks and loved revolvers such as Rugers and S&W’s. I tried for years to convince him to buy a glock. One day he was working in a gun store (what he does for a living) and he got a good deal on a glock. He decided to buy it to make some money. He shot a few rounds to test it, then a few boxes. The last time I talked to him his advice to shooters “buy a glock and then sell all of your other guns and buy glocks”. He said he hated glocks until he owned one and now he felt hypocritical, but when he shot his Glock he forgot all about it.

There is lots of user error associated with jamming revolvers that can't really be eliminated in an autoloader, such as failure to properly seat the magazine. That rarely comes up in a revolver because locking of the cylinder is much more positive mechanically and more ascertainable by sight and touch.
Revolvers have problems like the cylinder not properly lining up, firing pin malfunctions, trigger malfunctions. For all the problems once can say that will happen to an automatic the same amount or more will happen to a revolver. In my entire life I have only known of one automatic pistol to malfunction (a $35.00 Lorcin) while I have seen revolvers from Rossi’s to S&W’s with all sorts of problems.

but we're not going rattle on like wackos pouring over George Hayduke books at a gun show.
A comical read that no one would take seriously. He uses oil filters and pop bottles. I can’t believe how popular that guy is.

Overall I would recommend a glock as they are simple, and more reliable than anything else around. If you don’t want to dump a lot of Money, just buy a Glock in the 40 S&W and it be a good all around gun to shoot to last a lifetime.

More than a few police departments experienced too many ADs with Glocks.
However if it works for you then that is all that matters.
Revolvers are basic and simple and are a good choice for just about any sporting or defensive purpose. Semi-autos are usually good also just a question of what feels best and works best in each person's experience.
Ammunition seems to all be about fastest lightest bullets in today's market, some people call that progress, although the human body hasn't changed in the last 1,000 years at least has it?

I have limited experience with Glocks, but I have never known of one malfunctioning. Have you? If so in what way. If I had to stake my life on a gun I think I would rather it be a glock over anything else. ..........

Yeah, what I already talked about. Mostly failure to seat the magazine property and misfeeds of one variety or another-- but what I'm saying is that's common to autoloaders including glocks. I love glocks personally and I shoot my comp with a glock because my 1911 is still broken.


Revolvers have problems like the cylinder not properly lining up, firing pin malfunctions, trigger malfunctions. For all the problems once can say that will happen to an automatic the same amount or more will happen to a revolver. In my entire life I have only known of one automatic pistol to malfunction (a $35.00 Lorcin) while I have seen revolvers from Rossi’s to S&W’s with all sorts of problems. ..

well if I knew I was going to have to use one up close and personal I'd want to have the revolver just because they are more inherently reliable and you want it to go bang when you pull the trigger, bottom line.

you could easily just nigger rig a piece/bag of teflon to catch the ejecting shells. No need to spend your hard earned cash

I'd say hands down get a semi-auto, a glock preferably

I'll be the first to say that revolvers are my favorite type of handgun aesthetically, but there's a risk of powder burns (aka evidence) and of course, they're impossible to silence. Unfortunately it's just too convenient to have a magazine to instantly load 15 shots into the gun. You can't take too many chances if you want to stay safe.

Aer you going to pack a gun with a silencer on it? I wouldn't. Are you going to pack a gun with a brass-catcher on it? Sounds a little awkward. Kurt Saxon recommends .38 specials because they are cheap and omnipresent.

Revolvers are better for circumstances where you might not be thinking straight. Getting a round chambered with a revolver just means pulling the trigger one extra time. With a semiautomatic pistol it means pulling back the slide or messing with a safety. In other words there is more thinking involved in using a semiautomatic pistol in circumstances where you might not be thinking straight.

I have limited experience with Glocks, but I have never known of one malfunctioning. Have you? If so in what way. If I had to stake my life on a gun I think I would rather it be a glock over anything else.
My Glock 26 (9mm) has only jammed once. My wife was shooting it for the first time (also the first time she had ever shot a handgun) and even though I warned her to keep clear of the slide, she put her left hand slightly too far up on top of her right. She got a bit of a surprise! :eek: Ouch! As expected, the slide didn't come back all the way and the case failed to eject. Other than that, through ~500 rounds, the gun has performed flawlessly and is a nice carry gun, though not my favorite (that would be my S&W 99 .40 cal).

Incidentally, my wife now prefers a revolver. I bought a Taurus .38 a while back and I let her keep it under her pillow. It's probably safer (more trigger pull) and more "idiot proof" than the Glock.

Keep in mind, the best gun is the one you have. :cheers:

About the post-nuclear-war-scenario, I was only joking. Unfortunately, so many WNs are truly crazy, that MOST PEOPLE PROBABLY HAD NO IDEA I WAS JOKING, including the distinguished Greek, Antiochus Epiphanes Naughtius Maximus, Jewith wapscallion.


You may not know this but there are shell catchers available for most semiauto rifles. Semiauto pistols, not so much. But, ironically, shooters of semiauto pistols are big on reloading brass. In competition, they and revolver shooters both end up having to pick stuff up because one flies out of the chamber on ejection, and the other empties are ejected from the cynlinder by hand prior to reloads with moon clips and the like. So collecting brass is really a neutral factor. I'm not into all this fantasy bullshit. If you're intended on learning about these other applications you're referring to, do so somewhere else.

I have always thought we had to take a strong line on this kind of stuff, if for no other reason that all the fantasy bullshit keeps us dreaming of pie in the sky Day of the Rope crap, and it doesnt help us fight the jews in the real world of here and now via the easy and effective means at hand. It ends up being a distraction, a safety valve, a net gain for Jews. What's more is, the Jewboys are scanning this forum every day for spooky stuff they think they can embarass us with especially stuff to scare off other Whites. We won't let that stop us from speaking truths, and calling for action against Jews, but we're not going rattle on like wackos pouring over George Hayduke books at a gun show. We're looking for people that will take real effective legal activisms to educated people about Jewish subversion, not fantasists.

Sig Sauer are some of the best handguns made. bullseye right out of the box. Be ready to fork over some dough though. This weapon in .45 caliber has no equal.

http://remtek.com/arms/sig/model/220/220.gif
They say this gun is ugly?! It's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen :)

I have 2 handguns for concealed carry. Summer time I carry a 5 shot 357, very small, easy to conceal with the right holster and only a t-shirt on the hot days.

Winter time I carry a colt commmander .45, it has a slightly bigger profile.

CCW in the state of PA for about 8 years now.

I think a lot of people lose sight of the art of sport shooting in their lust for a loud boom. The size of the slug becomes a macho thing. The fact is a well-placed .22 will put a rabbit in your stewpot. You just have to shoot straight. I used to knock squirrels out of pine trees in southern Georgia with a .22 rifle. It would be tricker to do that with a pistol, but it could be done, especially if the game were larger and closer.

I don't think I'd shoot a bear with a .22. You do need a more substantial slug for bears. But for most other critters you might find in the woods, hunting with a .22 might be just the challenge you've always been looking for.

Of course, I shouldn't be talking. The last critter I shot was a bobcat who was stalking my rooster. I nailed him from across my goat pasture with one shot...of my .357 magnum S&W. But considering the bullet went in his neck and cut an artery, a .22 bullet probably would have killed him too.

Jerry Abbott

We're looking for people that will take real effective legal activisms to educated people about Jewish subversion, not fantasists.
Reading fantasy literature is a hobby of mine. When I was editor for NVB, a few amateur writers sent manuscripts in, but none of them were good enough to be marketable, and the few high-quality fantasy stories with an overtly WN slant were picked up by bigger publishing companies (and watered down). Two books you might have heard of are HOLD BACK THIS DAY (Ward Kendall) and DARK MILLENNIUM (Gerald James McManus).

There should be more talented White nationalist fantasy writers. Good books, fun to read, would be great ways to counter the Jewish propaganda on TV and instill White youngsters with generally positive thinking habits.

Jerry Abbott

A combination of precision and power in a firearm is optimized in rifles, not pistols. Rifles shoot straighter, farther, and carry a harder punch. I have heard many good things about this one.

http://world.guns.ru/assault/fal_stg58.jpg

Austrian Steyr Stg.58 - license built FN FAL

You can improve it with a laser scope. If you're waiting for the deer to march by on the deer trail, while lying low in some nearby tall grass, you might want a bipod to hold the barrel steady. It shoots NATO 7.62 bullets.

The police in our country sometimes use a sawed off version of this rifle.

http://world.guns.ru/assault/fal_dsa_sa58osw.jpg

DSA-58OSW

It's made by DS Arms.

Jerry Abbott

I think a lot of people lose sight of the art of sport shooting in their lust for a loud boom. The size of the slug becomes a macho thing. The fact is a well-placed .22 will put a rabbit in your stewpot. You just have to shoot straight. I used to knock squirrels out of pine trees in southern Georgia with a .22 rifle. It would be tricker to do that with a pistol, but it could be done, especially if the game were larger and closer.

Jerry Abbott


You make a damn good point, but small game won't usually kill you if you miss a vital organ. Hell, I kill squirrels with a Super Soaker watergun. I re-barreled it with a graphite arrow shaft, and use darts made from a Q-tip and a trim nail.
Takes a tree rat down easy and quietly, but I'd never think of using it for defense.
A .22 can kill, but in a defensive situation the key is to kill QUICKLY. I can't count how many stories I've heard about people taking small-caliber hits and even realizing they've been shot until they bleed out, internally, 20 or 30 minutes later.
By way of comparison I offer this analogy:
I have an INCREDIBLE roundkick. If I hit someone in the head, they'll be either unconscious or dead, guaranteed. Nevertheless, I'd never throw a high kick in a life-or-death situation. If you miss that vital spot by just a bit...

About the post-nuclear-war-scenario, I was only joking. Unfortunately, so many WNs are truly crazy, that MOST PEOPLE PROBABLY HAD NO IDEA I WAS JOKING, including the distinguished Greek, Antiochus Epiphanes Naughtius Maximus, Jewith wapscallion.

Ha, ha, ha. Do I amuse you? Are you Jewith?

I like humour but things that lead to discussions about crimes committed with firearms have put "crazy WNs" like Randy Weaver or Ches Doles into serious trouble or jail more than once and I aim to keep our gun-talk strictly legal. Is that ok with you joker? Or do you prefer to have people talking about things that although legal are a step closer to putting them in jail?

Reading fantasy literature is a hobby of mine. When I was editor for NVB, a few amateur writers sent manuscripts in, but none of them were good enough to be marketable, and the few high-quality fantasy stories with an overtly WN slant were picked up by bigger publishing companies (and watered down). Two books you might have heard of are HOLD BACK THIS DAY (Ward Kendall) and DARK MILLENNIUM (Gerald James McManus).

......
Jerry Abbott


Yes I liked both those books. I like Serpent's Walk, too. Both publiched by Iuniverse, I think-- which is kind of a self-publishing outfit like 1stboooks or whatever it's called now.

A combination of precision and power in a firearm is optimized in rifles, not pistols. Rifles shoot straighter, farther, and carry a harder punch. I have heard many good things about this one.
http://world.guns.ru/assault/fal_stg58.jpg
Austrian Steyr Stg.58 - license built FN FAL
You can improve it with a laser scope. If you're waiting for the deer to march by on the deer trail, while lying low in some nearby tall grass, you might want a bipod to hold the barrel steady. It shoots NATO 7.62 bullets.
The police in our country sometimes use a sawed off version of this rifle.
http://world.guns.ru/assault/fal_dsa_sa58osw.jpg

DSA-58OSW
It's made by DS Arms.
Jerry Abbott

Those guns are all good and better than any other FAL clones by a longshot. Dave S. buys parts kits from all over the world-- from Venezuela to Switzerland to Israel-- and rebuilds them on receivers made in the USA and some other domestic made parts to ensure full complaince with the AW import ban. Some of these weapons have various improvements cross selected from the various incarnations of the FAL and combined on one rifle. These weapons and were mostly set up by his former gunsmith, who is a genius with guns and firearms design.