[Bill: The following was published the other day by Commander Jeff Schoep of the National Socialist Movement:]

An open letter to all Pro-White Groups and Individuals.

Being part of the Solution, not part of the problem.

Comrades,

NS and Racial Greetings, quite often I am approached by new people who ask, "Why don't many Pro-White groups in the U.S. work with one another"? The answer to that question can be quite complex, but it often boils down to petty matters, and more often than not personality conflicts, or tactical differences. For example group A. has a man in its group who once robbed a liquor store, group B. states if they allow this robber in the group then we will not work with them. The conflict begins, and group C. has someone who once was a Police Officer, and group D. believes that the ex-policeman may be an informant/spy etc. Therefore these two groups do not cooperate either. I think everyone can understand where I am going with this, and further comparison groupings is not needed, simply add, etc., etc. indefinately. You can have 4 groups or 40, and many refuse to cooperate together due to similar personal issues.

The tactical divide issue is even more silly with various groups demanding dress codes, uniforms, suits and ties, etc. Example: (Please add a whiny lisp to the following sentence when you read it in your mind for full effect), "We won't go to an event if so and so is there, or if this or that group represents their own Organization, or he or she wears this or that, we just won't go". Now, stop laughing, it's true and factual and we all know it, I am simply pointing out how stupid it is. These issue's are rather small in comparison to the mighty battle for our very existance as a Race. To not attend a worthy event because someone else said not too, or because of one, or two, or even a handfull of unsavory people might be on hand is ridiculous. It's not just ridiculous, but its childish bufoonery better suited for an Elementary School playground, or a romper room. If we as a Race are going to be expected to grasp any sort of Victory from our enemies, then we need to put our differences aside once and for all and work towards the greater good, even if we don't like it, even if we hate it!

Look at the battlefield with a winning perspective in mind, a full on charge, because sitting back being an armchair quarterback, and speculating and second guessing everyone and everything leads to becoming stale and inactive. At this late hour for our Race there is no time for being inactive, and no room for back stabbing your fellow Patriots over who likes who, or what tactic is best. It's too late for infighting, or further petty divisions in the Movement.

The NSM has put forth a positive example, by inviting all Pro-White people to our Public events, without stipulations, or demands upon the participants. Each Pro-White group has the right to maintain their own standards, and some do better than others.

Regardless of who shows up at various events, one thing stands out very clearly, some of us make a difference in the streets, others in support capacity, or special skills, and others do nothing but second guess matters, and prattle on and on in meaningless mediocrity.

The Choice is up to you White Men and Women, wallow in defeatism, as part of the PROBLEM that afflicts White People in our Nation, or become part of the Solution and make a difference by getting productively active in the struggle for White Survival right away.

Hail Victory! Commander Jeff Schoep/ NSM HQ www.nsm88.com & www.nsm88radio.com

National Socialist Movement P.o. box 580669 Minneapolis, MN. 55458 U.S.A.

Phone Msg # 651-659-6307

It is anything but complex, the answer is simple. It is ego. The common attitude among WN’s today is “if you don’t wear MY name and support MY cause you are a do nothing race traitor”.

Everyone thinks their way is the ONLY way. What people don’t and won’t understand is what works for one may not work for another. The strategy you use in New York would fail miserably in somewhere like West Virginia. People are individuals not robots and until leaders can see that, there will never be unity or strength. People won’t see the difference of being a nameless person without opinion living under ZOG rule or being the same nameless person without opinion living under WN rule.

I used to believe in unity, but now I see it is pointless. Groups of individuals pulling for the same cause will become victorious. These individuals need to just ignore the other groups they don’t like, because they can’t change them. The time spent on here debating uniforms or club names could be well spent talking to someone about the Jewish menace.

A final note about unity, it has been the downfall of WN’s in America in the past. It gives the Jews one big target. With individual groups around America, the Jew can’t hit all of them. One large organized target can be infiltrated or sued out of existence.


"Why don't many Pro-White groups in the U.S. work with one another"? The answer to that question can be quite complex,

The NSM has put forth a positive example, by inviting all Pro-White people to our Public events, without stipulations, or demands upon the participants.

Good letter overall. I do think certain crimes should disqualify people from doing any activism like bank robberies, testifying in court against others, and felony drug trafficking. You are only as good as your weakest link.

I also have a question. You indicated that only people who went to an NSM training session would be allowed to attend the next rally. Has that stipulation been canceled?

This is a nice sentiment, and he makes good points. I agree that petty arguments need to put aside for the greater good; however, I get the impression that it is aimed at those who do not like the "costume Nazi" approach at public events because it turns off scared people who may be leaning towards WN, and it plays directly into the hands of the enemy who merely need to point at the red arm bands and say, "See, we told you so, we were right". I don't know about some of you, but I would rather not be seen as a walking cliche, especially when struggling to be taken seriously as a political force.

No revolution of any type can occur without the support of the "people". That window of opportunity is closing faster and faster, as our people become a minority. Soon, even if every White left agreed with our cause, we will be screwed by shear numbers. Even if you could "deprogram" every White to the cause, and that is assuming you had complete control over the means (media, education, government) which "programmed" them in the first place, do we really have another 50-100 years to deprogram them?

I understand that those who wear the costume/uniform feel that if they could just educate people about it, it would take away the "knee-jerk" reaction to it. Again, do we have another 50-100 years to deprogram? I also understand that there are many who don't care about waking up Joe Six Pack and Sally Soccer Mom - refer to my statement about revolution and support of the people.

I resent the notion that people don't care about the movement or about the White race because they question tactics that are old, and ineffective. It all boils down to what you consider to be effective and what you consider to be a success. One person may think that success is measured in how many negative press reports they get or having 30 people show up at a rally; others may judge success as getting legislation changed that benefits our people, or having 1,000 people at a rally like is commonly seen in Europe. All are valid, of course, because even the smallest victory is a victory; however, time is growing short and efforts need to be stepped up, re-evaluated, changed to fit the situation, and yes, even old tried and true security blankets sometimes need to be thrown out or at least modified.

There is a saying, "Adapt or die". I think we would be wise to learn from this.

"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained, you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle."

I also have a question. You indicated that only people who went to an NSM training session would be allowed to attend the next rally. Has that stipulation been canceled?

Yes. The rally was reorganized and is being done differently. It is now open to all white nationalists with a verifiable identity as such.

Good post, Bill I don't agree with you or Jeff's vision of white nationalism but you do both come off as intelligent and well spoken. Having said that I don't believe national socialism is the way to go, this isn't 1930s Germany, the uniforms do more to push people away than bring them together.

Jeff Schoep is a registered user if memory serves. Any reason why his message comes via Bill? Just curious.

From what I have read NSM has always welcomed all other organizations to their rallies and some other organizations are not as welcoming.

Fine, those who think that the non-swastika approach is the solution should do their thing and those who feel that we are all in this together should welcome all brothers and sisters to street activism.

I am well aware of the arguments against the use of the ancient symbol of our folk.
I salute those brothers and sisters who choose another approach.
I have never demeaned the NA for use of the Life Rune, as also does the NV.
I do not demean WR for its use of an ancient Greek symbol.
I do not feel that VNN needs to use any symbol or dress code other than what Alex feels is appropriate.
Similarly I do not feel the KKK should give up their robes nor their cross lighting ceremonies.
If the key to success is the non-use of the swastika, the non-wearing of uniforms, then I think the NA would have had a million members in 2000, not 1,500.
Maybe the plain dress crowd is right, I don't know, none of us does know.
What I do know is that the bearing of the symbol of our race, the wearing of the uniform of the NS is a valid and immediately recognizable approach and there is no doubt in any observer's mind about what NS stands for---the answer to the problem of minority violence, privilege and oppression by the Jewish supremacists.

By the way, having rallies in extreme weather, bitter cold days or excessive heat, is strongly contraindicated.

The Uniform Controversy

I tend to agree with William Pierce's understanding of propaganda and its effect upon the Lemmings in mass democracies. So, I suspect the impact upon "joe sixpack" and "sally soccer mom" when they see the swastika is nil, that is their minds are already so polluted with media frames and memes one extra image is nugatory. They will always hate whatever the Jews tell them to hate.

Now, if there were no swastikas or NSM types at the rally I suspect the Jewish controlled media would have found a substitute theme... White Supremacists, KKK, Neo-Confederates, Male Chauvanists, and etc...

So, what effect does the Nazi imagery have upon the 1% - 3% of people capable of independent thought? I'm not sure. Perhaps some are so frustrated at our plight they might look at the radicalism of the NSM as the only solution to our problems, perhaps others may be put off.

Jeff Schoep is a registered user if memory serves. Any reason why his message comes via Bill? Just curious.

I think I can field this one. I think the Commander doesn't want to get bogged down in any flame war on here. He address as much as he can when he can but all in all, he is much to busy to get bogged down in one area, like sitting here all day answering charges (most of which are made by people who have no positive interest in National Socialism whatsoever).

The Commander has never been above anything from the phone call from a new member, responding to emails, aiding a comrade or just have a beer with his Stormtroopers. You don't find that in a lot of the more outspoken leaders who whine all day and night about us screwing up their chances of recruiting more do-nothings to send in dues money. Still, he hates drama and would rather spend all day working in the service of his comrades than in a message board pissing match. The Commander is the kind of leader who serves his troops instead of expecting us to pile wood on his ego fire all day and night. That being said, he doesn't really care what's being said about him as long as it doesn't get in the way of the job he has to do. We strive to work as equally hard for our race as he does for each of us. It works out.

I think I can field this one. I think the Commander doesn't want to get bogged down in any flame war on here. He address as much as he can when he can but all in all, he is much to busy to get bogged down in one area, like sitting here all day answering charges (most of which are made by people who have no positive interest in National Socialism whatsoever).

The Commander has never been above anything from the phone call from a new member, responding to emails, aiding a comrade or just have a beer with his Stormtroopers. You don't find that in a lot of the more outspoken leaders who whine all day and night about us screwing up their chances of recruiting more do-nothings to send in dues money. Still, he hates drama and would rather spend all day working in the service of his comrades than in a message board pissing match. The Commander is the kind of leader who serves his troops instead of expecting us to pile wood on his ego fire all day and night. That being said, he doesn't really care what's being said about him as long as it doesn't get in the way of the job he has to do. We strive to work as equally hard for our race as he does for each of us. It works out.

Fair enough.

Now, stop laughing, it's true and factual and we all know it, I am simply pointing out how stupid it is. These issue's are rather small in comparison to the mighty battle for our very existance as a Race. To not attend a worthy event because someone else said not too, or because of one, or two, or even a handfull of unsavory people might be on hand is ridiculous. It's not just ridiculous, but its childish bufoonery better suited for an Elementary School playground, or a romper room. If we as a Race are going to be expected to grasp any sort of Victory from our enemies, then we need to put our differences aside once and for all and work towards the greater good, even if we don't like it, even if we hate it!

What's stupid is one group's refusal to acknowledge that wearing an outdated uniform is a detriment to our cause. Walking around in an SturmAbteilung uniform in the year 2005 and expecting people to take you seriously, now that's romper room childish buffoonery.

If we as a race are going to advance our interests we need to realize dressing up like historical re-enactors in anachronistic costumes isn't working towards the greater good, its driving people away. The NSM's refusal to recognize this basic fact says to me they don't want to grasp any sort of victory and are content to be weirdoes living on the fringe.

I'm not against wearing uniforms or even using the swastika, just come up with something new and original. Stop parroting what the NSDAP wore eighty years ago. Come to think of it, they should also stop wearing Iron Crosses and German medals on their shoddy looking uniforms, frankly its an insult to the honor of those men who bravely fought for Germany during both world wars.

If the key to success is the non-use of the swastika, the non-wearing of uniforms, then I think the NA would have had a million members in 2000, not 1,500.But the National Alliance did make use of the Nazi swastika, attaching it to the products they sold as well as permitting its display at many of their public rallies - which is one reason why they never got beyond 1,500 members.




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What's stupid is one group's refusal to acknowledge that wearing an outdated uniform is a detriment to our cause. Walking around in an SturmAbteilung uniform in the year 2005 and expecting people to take you seriously, now that's romper room childish buffoonery.

If we as a race are going to advance our interests we need to realize dressing up like historical re-enactors in anachronistic costumes isn't working towards the greater good, its driving people away. The NSM's refusal to recognize this basic fact says to me they don't want to grasp any sort of victory and are content to be weirdoes living on the fringe.

I'm not against wearing uniforms or even using the swastika, just come up with something new and original. Stop parroting what the NSDAP wore eighty years ago. Come to think of it, they should also stop wearing Iron Crosses and German medals on their shoddy looking uniforms, frankly its an insult to the honor of those men who bravely fought for Germany during both world wars.

Hmmm, very thought provoking criticism. I think that as much as the NSM calls its detractors names, these issues will linger on nonetheless.

What's stupid is one group's refusal to acknowledge that wearing an outdated uniform is a detriment to our cause. Walking around in an SturmAbteilung uniform in the year 2005 and expecting people to take you seriously, now that's romper room childish buffoonery.

If we as a race are going to advance our interests we need to realize dressing up like historical re-enactors in anachronistic costumes isn't working towards the greater good, its driving people away. The NSM's refusal to recognize this basic fact says to me they don't want to grasp any sort of victory and are content to be weirdoes living on the fringe. (Edit...Hibernian yells: BINGO!!!)

I'm not against wearing uniforms or even using the swastika, just come up with something new and original. Stop parroting what the NSDAP wore eighty years ago. Come to think of it, they should also stop wearing Iron Crosses and German medals on their shoddy looking uniforms, frankly its an insult to the honor of those men who bravely fought for Germany during both world wars.


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Best post on the this thread by far. Sums up my thoughts exactly.

I'm not against wearing uniforms or even using the swastika, just come up with something new and original. Stop parroting what the NSDAP wore eighty years ago. Come to think of it, they should also stop wearing Iron Crosses and German medals on their shoddy looking uniforms, frankly its an insult to the honor of those men who bravely fought for Germany during both world wars.

I'm in complete agreement with you. I mean I respect what the NSM is trying to accomplish but it looks like a joke and if I saw them, i'd think they were extras for Indiana Jones 4. The brown-shirt uniforms were outdated in the 3rd Reich, let alone 2005 and wearing German war medals when you didn't actually earn them is pretty appauling, again this isn't a movie you are auditioning for, try to come across as being serious.

If we as a race are going to advance our interests we need to realize dressing up like historical re-enactors in anachronistic costumes isn't working towards the greater good, its driving people away.


Sometimes I wonder if it isn't so much the people that are driven away, as it is the people that are attracted to the "cause".

It's like a double edged sword: driving away normal folks, all the while attracting the freaks.

I respect the bravery of most of those in the NSM, but I'll have to agree with you, they are disrespecting the honor of the good Germans that fought the good fight (and they should come up with something original if they feel the need to donn a uniform).

Let me see if I understand the overall tone of this thread.

Please allow me to work through the concept.

When we are going through the process of racially awakening sleeping Whites, we are in fact educating them to the racial politics and the silent war that exists between Whites and jews.

So when we get to that part of the history lesson that involves “Nazis”, we should say nothing, because the very thought of Nazis scares people away. And this is because the jew has them impossibly brainwashed beyond redemption. Mum’s the word, not a peep about Nazis or we’re sunk.

So it seems that those costumed clown Nazis aren’t even worthy of past-war re-enactment events that the Civil or Revolutionary War soldiers are entitled. We mustn’t say boo about Nazis, because the very mention of that word will send the uninitiated running away with their fingers in their ears yelling, “Hater...Hater!”

OK, now I think I get it.

I’m reassured to know, that White Nationalists are banking on those running-scared, ear-plugged people, to be the very people, who will eventually catapult this movement onward to victory.

That was better than your artwork and that is saying something.





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I’m reassured to know, that White Nationalists are banking on those running-scared, ear-plugged people will be the very people who will eventually catapult this movement onward to victory.

Put that on a bumper sticker. :cheers:

Let me see if I understand the overall tone of this thread.

Please allow me to work through the concept.

When we are going through the process of racially awakening sleeping Whites, we are in fact educating them to the racial politics and the silent war that exists between Whites and jews.

So when we get to that part of the history lesson that involves “Nazis”, we should say nothing, because the very thought of Nazis scares people away. And this is because the jew has them impossibly brainwashed beyond redemption. Mum’s the word, not a peep about Nazis or we’re sunk.

So it seems that those costumed clown Nazis aren’t even worthy of past-war re-enactment events that the Civil or Revolutionary War soldiers are entitled. We mustn’t say boo about Nazis, because the very mention of that word will send the uninitiated running away with their fingers in their ears yelling, “Hater...Hater!”

OK, now I think I get it.

I’m reassured to know, that White Nationalists are banking on those running-scared, ear-plugged people will be the very people who will eventually catapult this movement onward to victory.

Brutus, Have you always been a flag waving, card carrying Nazi? Did you come right out of the chute "aware"?

Just curious.

RE: Subrosa

Brutus, Have you always been a flag waving, card carrying Nazi? Did you come right out of the chute "aware"?

Just curious.
We cannot ignore that part of our history. WWII was history’s epic battle of White men against the jew and those brave Nazi’s should never be denigrated for their valiant effort simply because a bunch of White people have been brainwashed by the jew. Nor should those modern-day White men be ridiculed for their expressions of admiration of the Nazi. We should not re-enforce the jew’s stereotype. Rather we should be exploring the possibilities of reverse-brainwashing the lemming, instead of ceding to the jew, that most glorious chapter of our collective White history.

I know full well what 95% of White people are thinking when they see the Swastika. But, let’s be frank about this. How can we tell a lemming about the history of White Nationalism without touching on The Third Reich? Are we supposed to lie to them, or feel ashamed of our history?

So many here champion truth and forthrightness. To me, that means to be a champion of the truth in all respects. No secret evasions or glaring omissions. Duplicity is the realm of the jew. White men are straight and that is what separates us from the rest of the sludge peoples of the earth. If we accept this challenge head-on right now, we will have to make no apologies in the future. This is a mighty test of our strength over the jew. I believe that the White brain has the creative genius that outshines the jew‘s intelligence, and it is this creative genius that will enable us to rest away the minds of our brainwashed kin from the jew, whereby we will have no need to be ashamed of the noble Nazi.

There are ways to finesse things in the proper manner. Insults and mocking is not the right way. And we must not join the jew in his incessant criticism of White men.

The right way is to proudly say the truth, over and over again without a hint of shame or reservation. Tact, correct emphasis and proper human relationship skills are called for to change the hearts and minds of our kin. If you believe this in your heart, others will naturally believe you. Your sincerity will reach their heart.

If we are champions of White Pride, then we are champions of all of those White people who came before us to secure a safe place for us to live.

And I feel them, looking down upon us from Valhalla-on-high. They died and now we carry their torch. And I will not acquiesce to the notion that their efforts be ignored.