I'll start a collection. So we can all see how wasted the Kwa is and have hope for a better future.

The first two in this post are the same young woman; the third photo is a different woman.

Three at a time per post.

The first two in this post are the same young woman.

More, at the rate of three per post-

What, nobody likes these? Shall I delete the thread as the Jooz have practically deleted these girls from North America?

Continuing to see-

More posted-

Baltic women are among the best looking on the planet. Tall, robust, smart as tacks, and (for the most part, so I've been reliably informed) untainted by feminism and Western decadence. They want to be paired up with MEN, not limp-wristed, overdressed, earring-sporting, manicured meterosexuals.

I would suggest to all single WN males dispairing at finding a mate to look to the Baltic states or Eastern Europe. There are plenty of single white women available there, ripe for breeding.

Good advice. Why even bother dealing with [by and large] sick Kwa k's?

Are these pictures supposed to have been taken in Estonia, of Estonian girls?

Yes that's correct-- with the possible exception of some of the ones labelled "Baltic", which come from http://www.balticmodels.ee/index.php/13428/ and even that URL is in Estonia, so those also may be all Estonian women.

Most of them are NOT models, but rather, just young women in this country.

This is pleasant-- laying these in. A regular archives.

I didn't realize Estonians were so Anglicized. Maybe it's just in the bars. :D

Estonian-same forest girl at work.jpg (http://www.vnnforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3135)

They are women. They crave attention. And babies. It is in their beingness.
You can see-- they have rejected Jewized notions of womanhood.

Yes, it's true that they work harder (and are better at) being feminine than North American women, in my opinion.

A mature woman pictured in this post.

that's it man -I've made up my mind -I'm jettin' over to Eastern Europe as soon as my yearly vacation weeks are re-charged ( after Jan. 1 ), and I don't even care if it's still winter over there..I ain't wastin' no more time!!

Ha ha-- you've made the right decision! Let me know when you'll arrive.
I'll be here then. Call Finnair's 800 line-- they have the best way in via
Helsinki-- just 85km over water.

Maybe I can help you get acclimated-- by then, that is. LOL

Here're some more pics of a single girl, and digital videos of girls to Byron should be up within 5 to 10 days.

Don't come back to the Kwa! The Baltics are a White paradise. Stay there and help defend them against ZOG encroachment. The jews have the Baltics in their crosshairs.

I tried to emigrate to Russia permanently back in 1995. I found a job working for an agricultural university, but they ended up refusing at the highest level because they couldn't hire a foreigner. I told them I agreed with the policy, even though I was personally disappointed.

Don't come back to the Kwa! The Baltics are a White paradise. Stay there and help defend them against ZOG encroachment. The jews have the Baltics in their crosshairs.

I tried to emigrate to Russia permanently back in 1995. I found a job working for an agricultural university, but they ended up refusing at the highest level because they couldn't hire a foreigner. I told them I agreed with the policy, even though I was personally disappointed.Maybe I can get asylum. Gimme Shelter.

This post has three of the same young woman.

The collection is compelling.

What's the URL?

Chain, stop hoarding all the women! Share the wealth! :cheers:

What we need is not the women, but a sperm donation program from the baltic to american women for a few generations to whiten up the usa.

They have wigger freaks too. In her profile, this chicks talks about "justice", lol.

Three more are here.

Just as in walking down the street here, they never seem to stop coming:

You have to get out and meet these ladies. They will be happy to meet the best damn up and coming video American journalist bar none!

Compared to Queen Latifah you call those women HOT?

Continuing with some more-

Are there any islands up there where you might get stranded on one of them?

More and more and more-

Just photos.

Three Estonian women's photographs.

Have you ever thought of putting together a VNN pin-up calender?
Best to leave out the old junk, though

I'd like to see one. Surely, we could avoid or disregard the debate about whether or not that is proper behavior.

Three girls.

...Surely, we could avoid or disregard the debate about whether or not that is proper behavior.That depends on how much clothing you choose to avoid or disregard those girls should wear ;) during those photo sessions, before we can even debate the topic

Yes. Well, we could just do it, and let the debate follow.

Good morning= "tere homey cost" ...ha ha...guess the mnemonic trick on that one.

So it's time for some more pics.

Sunday morning early, ZOG time; time for some more-

And again-

Additional shots-

Photo time.

Continuance. On good authority, the female to male ratio in this nation is said to be 3.1 to 1. I don't see how, unless the males split to other EU nations to make a buck. Must be that is the case.

Pic #1 is one girl; pics #2 and #3 are a second girl. Or "girl-woman."

More. Neverending.

Thanks for posting those pics of such beautiful women.

It is nice to know that there yet exists a place where White women retain beauty and racial integrity. A vast difference between the women I see in my area strolling around with some nigger or a greasy mexican.

Yet more Estonian young women-

This first girl is 17; she is the same as #1 and #3 photos in the last post. She resides in the beach town of Parnu-- the Honolulu of Estonia.

What, nobody likes these? Shall I delete the thread as the Jooz have practically deleted these girls from North America?

Hell, no, Chain! Keep em coming! :cheers:

There would be many more if the soviet jews hadn't exterminated and deported so many Baltic whites, with the help of FDR.

There would be many more if the soviet jews hadn't exterminated and deported so many Baltic whites, with the help of FDR.The same is going on in our country. It is so far advanced, even the most aware of us can barely recognize or image what a clean country is like.

http://www.vnnforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3246

Holy shit, look at the eyes of the one on the phone. :)

A particularly good set of pics, this one-

A particularly good set of pics, this one-

Damn Chain! This gal has my vote!

http://www.vnnforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3253

http://www.vnnforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3254

Holy Mackeral, Andy!

Three indeed.

Continuing the exquisite women-

More live young women posing for pics-

A few for the morning-

Three photos of Foxxy-

Foxxy four through six

Three again-

Continuing--

Keep em coming Chain! There are some beauties over there! :cheers:

Yes OK; been a while since I have put any up. Be sure and click orange expansion button on the first one. Very balanced, attractive features she has.

Yes OK; been a while since I have put any up. Be sure and click orange expansion button on the first one. Very balanced, attractive features she has.

Wow, these ladies are beautiful. I’m going to be single again real soon it appears. My GF is basically being goaded into moving to Cali so her jew father can keep her away from me. I’m sick of these conspirators. I’m going for a pure white girl untouched by the liberalized scumbags.

They may not have any niggers in Estonia but I would imagine that most of these Euros would jump at the chance to get with some black buck.

Sorry...continue with the pics...

They may not have any niggers in Estonia but I would imagine that most of these Euros would jump at the chance to get with some black buck.

Sorry...continue with the pics...Well, they pretty regularly call them "niggers".

Some would, for sure; the vast majority absolutely would not.

Well, they pretty regularly call them "niggers".

Some would, for sure; the vast majority absolutely would not.

That's an important observation you're making. Essentially what we can thank the Jew for is isolating much of Eastern Europe from the decadent moral corruption of our people here in the West.

In some sense, this is virgin territory for us, their minds have yet to be jewrupted, though I'm sure the jew is looking to remedy that.

Also, as an aside, one of the positive byproducts of the German Third Reich was that to a large extent they cleared Europe of "jewry" and also probably were able to "edjewcate" the European people on the jew, although the Baltic folk probably needed no such edjewcation, since the jew did much evil in that section of the world, and from what I understand when the Germans advanced into those territories the native folk repaid the remaining jews there.

At any rate, what we have are White women and White folk who have not yet been "Whiggerized" and are somewhat if not very Jewise. Think about how far ahead of our own Kwans these people are, and that we really stand at fork in the road here...Which Way Western Man...

Not to make any waves here with Chain's post, but I think the majority of Estonian girls would sleep with nigs if given the chance. I don't know why they should be any different than Scandinavians.

There is a disproportionate number of Czech and other Euro girls (real beauties) who have gotten into the (Amerikwan) porn industry and yes, many of them specialize in fucking niggers. In fact there's a porn series out there called "European Girls Love Brothers" or some such.

Not trying to argue, just an observation. I just think Estonia isn't immune, any more that Czechoslovakia or Hungary.

I hope it isn't true, actually...

They may not have any niggers in Estonia...
They have a lot of Russians, in the eastern half who Estonia can't get rid of, thanks in part to the EU. We know how Russians deal with Niggers. I tend to think that Estonian males, who were isolated from the corrupt West, wouldn't think kindly towards them either

Well, Estonians may look at niggers as a part of the West. And due to the huge chip on their shoulder vis-a-vis Russians in Estonia, they may just view niggers positively. But Chain is an expert on all things Estonian, I am wondering if he picked up any local dialect though to converse with young chicks :D

By the way, he had my two posts pointing out the obvious -- pretty much what the recent posters did -- deleted. He or some friendly mod seeing Chain fuming at the keyboard at my audacity to post an Estonain wigress pic. So you tread on dangerous territory now :eek:

You are Russian, right? You have made some uncommon English errors before in your posts, and I believe you may have stated that you are ethnically Russian.

I do understand that many Estonians do not much like Russians and vice versa. Could that be the true source of some of your obvious hostility to Estonians?

Reference your third post on VNNF, rasputin:
http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=267304#post267304
You can't suit everyone. The Balts are small nations that don't matter. There's no tradition to keep saying "sorry" in Russia. What ultimately matters is the strenght of a nation, and not how nice it is to its neighbors.In general, I think Estonian women are better looking than the Russian women in this country.

I have no more hostility to Estonians than to any other European country. Have never met one personally, or lived near them. However, being an immigrant, I've noticed the habit of many to idealize foreigners. Correct me if I am wrong, but you do live there now, as I understood from your posts, it's strange that you are still so awe-stricken.

Did you pick up any Estonian?

By the way, you do realize that niggers don't register on the radar as an enemy over there, as there are few of them around, and that Europeans are much more into squabbling with their neighbors than thinking of themselves as "white"?

And as far as being hosile is concerned, I already said that you seemed very touchy. More a case of the pot calling kettle black.

Chain, you are breaking my heart with these pics of Estonian women. My grandfather, who I am named after, was from Tallinn. He left Estonia to come to America, the land of opportunity, in 1913. I am told he actually jumped a merchant ship and landed somewhere on the coast of South Carolina. He made his way up to Richmond, VA somehow. Sadly, his life ended when he was robbed and beaten by niggers in 1975. What a way for someone to be killed. Risk your life, cross an ocean to grab the golden ring and be killed by walking shit.

Anyway, I wish I could join you in Estonia, the country I may call home someday. If I were not already married, I would most definitely look to the Baltic nations, Estonia in particular, for a wife. What beauty. Tell your new lady friends a WN who wishes he were there says hello. And don't stop sendin' the pics!!! I never get tired of looking at Estonian beauties!!!

That's an important observation you're making. Essentially what we can thank the Jew for is isolating much of Eastern Europe from the decadent moral corruption of our people here in the West.

In some sense, this is virgin territory for us, their minds have yet to be jewrupted, though I'm sure the jew is looking to remedy that.

Also, as an aside, one of the positive byproducts of the German Third Reich was that to a large extent they cleared Europe of "jewry" and also probably were able to "edjewcate" the European people on the jew, although the Baltic folk probably needed no such edjewcation, since the jew did much evil in that section of the world, and from what I understand when the Germans advanced into those territories the native folk repaid the remaining jews there.

At any rate, what we have are White women and White folk who have not yet been "Whiggerized" and are somewhat if not very Jewise. Think about how far ahead of our own Kwans these people are, and that we really stand at fork in the road here...Which Way Western Man...


Good observations.

If “most” or the “majority” of Estonian woman just want to fuck niggers there wouldn’t be any white girls left in Estonia, now would there? If these woman really did have such a STRONG attraction to niggers wouldn’t they be posting adds in Africa? It is natural for woman to be attracted to members of their own race. You have obviously been brainwashed by the Jewish media to believe the way you do. It is western culture that causes problems; even homosexuality and interracial relations. When electronic mass media is first introduced into a new area it immediately causes an increase in general crime rate, rape, murder, anorexia, bulimia, suicide, apathy, and other immoral behavior. I’ve read study after study that indicates the same thing.

I also see the trend of making white males feel bad about themselves because they don't accept nigger culture. A large precentage of white girls turn away from niggers after having dated on. I had a white girl turn me down once because she only dated niggers, and then after marrying the fucking wellfare collecting nig she had enough. I saw her at a bus stop a month ago and she eagerly gave me her number. I tossed the fucking thing in the garbage.

They may not have any niggers in Estonia but I would imagine that most of these Euros would jump at the chance to get with some black buck.

Sorry...continue with the pics...

Not to make any waves here with Chain's post, but I think the majority of Estonian girls would sleep with nigs if given the chance. I don't know why they should be any different than Scandinavians.

The survival of our race doesn't depend so much on the inclinations or weaknesses of our women, that's a given anywhere White, varying only by degree not kind. What our survival depends on is the actions of White Men, everything else including the behavior of White women takes its cue from that. If White men behave weakly and meekly, we can expect our women will be fucking anything else on two legs...if otoh we make clear what will and will not be tolerated, by word and deed White women will follow the lead...

There is a disproportionate number of Czech and other Euro girls (real beauties) who have gotten into the (Amerikwan) porn industry and yes, many of them specialize in fucking niggers. In fact there's a porn series out there called "European Girls Love Brothers" or some such.

This sadly may in fact be all too true, but all the more reason to vigorously engage the Jew in battle. Those nations, while certainly imperfect, may in fact be light years ahead of White Kwans today.

Not trying to argue, just an observation. I just think Estonia isn't immune, any more that Czechoslovakia or Hungary.

I hope it isn't true, actually...

This is understood, nowhere White is immune from the Jew and its Kwa, but I think what Chain has shown us is that there are in fact still "pure" White lands, and I for one believe WNs have an obligation to see that they stay that way. We let Rhodesia fall, we've let SA degenerate, and worst of all we couldn't safeguard our own Kwa, now are we to stand by and continue yapping on the internet endlessly while more White lands are destroyed by the Jew?

I'll venture a guess and say that WN would generate more bodies in these White lands today, then could be found in the entire Kwa of 200 million. And it's not so much numbers, I'd rather have just 1 million fanatical WNists from the Baltics than 200 million milktoast, limp dick White Kwans who haven't the balls or the stomach to be White...

Some more-

If “most” or the “majority” of Estonian woman just want to fuck niggers there wouldn’t be any white girls left in Estonia, now would there? If these woman really did have such a STRONG attraction to niggers wouldn’t they be posting adds in Africa? It is natural for woman to be attracted to members of their own race. You have obviously been brainwashed by the Jewish media to believe the way you do. It is western culture that causes problems; even homosexuality and interracial relations. When electronic mass media is first introduced into a new area it immediately causes an increase in general crime rate, rape, murder, anorexia, bulimia, suicide, apathy, and other immoral behavior. I’ve read study after study that indicates the same thing.

I also see the trend of making white males feel bad about themselves because they don't accept nigger culture. A large precentage of white girls turn away from niggers after having dated on. I had a white girl turn me down once because she only dated niggers, and then after marrying the fucking wellfare collecting nig she had enough. I saw her at a bus stop a month ago and she eagerly gave me her number. I tossed the fucking thing in the garbage.

We already know all this--you're preaching to the choir. Also, I haven't been brainwashed by anybody.

That was a retarded argument about "if they all wanted to fuck niggers their wouldn't be any White girls left in Estonia"...the fact is, there aren't any niggers in Estonia (thank God) for them to get with. I hope it stays that way.

PS That part about the ex-nigger lover giving you her number is probably bullshit. You don't have to exaggerrate to make your point.

We already know all this--you're preaching to the choir. Also, I haven't been brainwashed by anybody.

That was a retarded argument about "if they all wanted to fuck niggers their wouldn't be any White girls left in Estonia"...the fact is, there aren't any niggers in Estonia (thank God) for them to get with. I hope it stays that way.

PS That part about the ex-nigger lover giving you her number is probably bullshit. You don't have to exaggerrate to make your point.

I'm not exaggerrating at all. Her name is amber and she married a nigger named Tony. She is sick of his shit and yes, she did give me her number even if it was only a friendly gesture. The girl lived with me for four months as my roommate. She is the one that got gang raped by a nigger gang calling themselves NSM.

If you're so interested PM me and I'll give you her full name so you can look up the public information on the internet. She has a long rap sheet now, is married, and collects wellfare via a quest card in colorado.

I'm not exaggerrating at all. Her name is amber and she married a nigger named Tony. She is sick of his shit and yes, she did give me her number even if it was only a friendly gesture. The girl lived with me for four months as my roommate. She is the one that got gang raped by a nigger gang calling themselves NSM.

If you're so interested PM me and I'll give you her full name so you can look up the public information on the internet. She has a long rap sheet now, is married, and collects wellfare via a quest card in colorado.

Darth--you've shown up on VNN in the last few days and have been making about six posts a day. What brings you here? Tell us a little more about yourself.

The survival of our race doesn't depend so much on the inclinations or weaknesses of our women, that's a given anywhere White, varying only by degree not kind. What our survival depends on is the actions of White Men, everything else including the behavior of White women takes its cue from that. If White men behave weakly and meekly, we can expect our women will be fucking anything else on two legs...if otoh we make clear what will and will not be tolerated, by word and deed White women will follow the lead...



This sadly may in fact be all too true, but all the more reason to vigorously engage the Jew in battle. Those nations, while certainly imperfect, may in fact be light years ahead of White Kwans today.



This is understood, nowhere White is immune from the Jew and its Kwa, but I think what Chain has shown us is that there are in fact still "pure" White lands, and I for one believe WNs have an obligation to see that they stay that way. We let Rhodesia fall, we've let SA degenerate, and worst of all we couldn't safeguard our own Kwa, now are we to stand by and continue yapping on the internet endlessly while more White lands are destroyed by the Jew?

I'll venture a guess and say that WN would generate more bodies in these White lands today, then could be found in the entire Kwa of 200 million. And it's not so much numbers, I'd rather have just 1 million fanatical WNists from the Baltics than 200 million milktoast, limp dick White Kwans who haven't the balls or the stomach to be White...

Whitefist,

It's also important for White men to take the lead by being responsible husbands and fathers, as much as keeping White women in line with the threat of physical force.

A lot of our problems come from our own men abandoning their White families like a nigger, or being weak willed, "oh dear, it's OK what you do" which is what you were talking about. And also failing to form a community, and letting the whole structure of any community fall by the wayside.

By being responsible and dependable, we earn our authority, and can influence our women and our children from the get-go.

Kievsky

It's also important for White men to take the lead by being responsible husbands and fathers, as much as keeping White women in line with the threat of physical force.

A lot of our problems come from our own men abandoning their White families like a nigger, or being weak willed, "oh dear, it's OK what you do" which is what you were talking about. And also failing to form a community, and letting the whole structure of any community fall by the wayside.

By being responsible and dependable, we earn our authority, and can influence our women and our children from the get-go.

Kievsky

Well, in the Kwa that in and of itself won't cut it, but your point is well taken, White men should by good example earn their respect and authority. What I was specifically referring to is that our racial survival will hinge on the action of White men, and from that action our women will follow suit. In other words, if White men, as in the Kwa, worship and idolize sports niggers on tv, and in their communities tolerate niggers/latrinos invading and controlling White territory, then it shouldn't surprise us to see our women gravitate to the invaders and away from us. Women seek out strength and submit to it, and if White men continue showing weakness we can only expect the worst from our women.

So, very specifically, if the Baltic folk wish to remain White, then it's up to the White men of the Baltics to see to it that these lands remain White. By the example of vanquishing their enemies and establishing themselves as the top of the "mating chain" good things will come, and White women will correctly intuit the proper behavior and adhere to it.

Whitefist,

Now that I look at it, the problem seems to be a blurring between aristocratic values and mercantile values.

Notice how all government officials are scrambling to serve mercantile values? It's all about "bringing home the bacon," -- defense contracts, or getting government contracts by proving you are serving the "value of diversity?"

When a White man stands for aristocratic rather than mercantile values he gets zero support in the kwa. Even his own family will eventually betray him, because they want to conform to mercantile values and "succeed," like mice in a lab. Do the right thing, get the cheese square. Good rat (that will end up in the disposal when the experiment is over).

I'm always interested in the methods employed to circumvent the System. It looks like the campground lifestyle is the way to go. Save money, buy whatever commodity looks to be on teh way up (today it would be gold, silver, and energy stocks), and live marginally.

I think living conventionally -- that is in a house on a taxable property, is what makes us caught in the trap of the jew system. We have to live on campgrounds while hoarding wealth and thinking like Rothschild, and maybe buy land and run businesses and farms while still lviing in the campground and hoarding hidden wealth that is sent to overseas accounts or gold buried in coffee cans.

Kievsky, I feel as if the whole Kwa is a campground for Whites-- a kind of war campground they are sitting on till they lose battle after battle, and the ultimate and final loses visit their last patch of campground.

I'd venture a guess that part of the reason you lost faith and confidence in the mercantile system is because it inherently, aggressively tends to undermine Whites as it exists now in The Kwa, particularly young (and old, for that matter) White men. Your response is to become as a early-mid day Kwa Tolstoy, and hit the land.

The extended family part I can surely relate to. This happened to me to a certain extent; completely, actually. Times are now so very divisive, when one attempts to explain or "air" the cultural prospects for Our People, that families actually choose to go The War Between The States route: brother against brother; father against son etc., rather than risk your having the chance to damage their careers or financial interests by speaking to truth. Such has international Jewry and its negative, "critical theoried" Tophet-like drumbeating reached metastasized proportions; I mean, this is exactly how they have destroyed or attempted to destroy civilizations for millennia.

Governments can't very well look into the promotion of aristocratic values, even as a benign helper or facilitator (a role you might reject anyway) if they are anti-White, anti-aristocratic in the first place, now can they? But no White government even exists in North America, nor will one for a very, very long time, save some miracle of social upheaval accelerated by war or fiscal chaos, and even then, that government will only control a few ex-states and a few portions of ex-states.

Tolstoy and the Amish, the Mennonites and even the failed Trancendentalists all had to function within the larger systems.
And in a way of looking at it-- all North American Whites must now exist and thrive as best they can within a system essentially 100% dedicated to their reductions, discountings, and even their demises. This is so. It's the definition of mass-scale racial competition. So how low can you limbo?

I think another reason Jews are dedicated to destroying or effectually reducing White nations is that Whites anywhere in the world will have no place to call home-- to feel, bodily feel what it is like to be exclusively with your own fellows...in non-dubious, non-challenged racial control.

I'd like to see an international office ("authority", if you will) established for helping Whites in this White diaspora. Apart from being a practical way to help Jew-oppressed/Jew Mudtrooper-oppressed Whites take flight from North America, the early, worldwide teaching possibilities from such an entity might well prove quite valuable to Our People.

So to paraphrase Willie Nelson: "When it's White pickin' time on Kievsky's warzoned campground-- it's flight pickin' time for me."

I very much liked and agree with Whitefist's commentary:
So, very specifically, if the Baltic folk wish to remain White, then it's up to the White men of the Baltics to see to it that these lands remain White. By the example of vanquishing their enemies and establishing themselves as the top of the "mating chain" good things will come, and White women will correctly intuit the proper behavior and adhere to it.

Now that I look at it, the problem seems to be a blurring between aristocratic values and mercantile values.

Thanksforputting that into one sentence because lately I have been coming to the same conclusion. This Christmas season convinced me of it due the decreased emphasis on the term "CHRISTMAS" and the continued emphasis on sales figures for merchants. LONG LIVE THE WHITE ESTONIANS! And send your women to me for safe keeping. LOL.

And in a way of looking at it-- all North American Whites must now exist and thrive as best they can within a system essentially 100% dedicated to their reductions, discountings, and even their demises. This is so. It's the definition of mass-scale racial competition. So how low can you limbo?

That's really what it boils down to now, how long can we limbo before the lights go out here in the Kwa.

I think another reason Jews are dedicated to destroying or effectually reducing White nations is that Whites anywhere in the world will have no place to call home-- to feel, bodily feel what it is like to be exclusively with your own fellows...in non-dubious, non-challenged racial control.

I'd like to see an international office ("authority", if you will) established for helping Whites in this White diaspora. Apart from being a practical way to help Jew-oppressed/Jew Mudtrooper-oppressed Whites take flight from North America, the early, worldwide teaching possibilities from such an entity might well prove quite valuable to Our People.

The above quote really deserves its own thread, but heck since we're talking about it now, Chain's hit on something most significant, we cannot be dispossessed of the land everywhere and still hope to preserve our race. It will be an impossibility. Let me repeat that: IMPOSSIBLE.

We have to preserve some exclusive White territory on this globe, otherwise party's over folks and there will be no point in any further racialist discussions. That's how serious this flooding of the inner dikes, to borrow from Lothrop Stoddard, is.

Chain's idea of an Office of White Diaspora is fantastic and really most needed. Folks, we lost the Kwa, and that's not being defeatist to acknowledge the reality on the ground, now are we going to sit around in the jungle commiserating over the Kwa and indulging in a fantasy that will never be realized that we're going to retake it, or do we put our energies into assisting those lands still White to remain so? That's the reality AmeriKwan racialists are faced with today...

The above quote really deserves its own thread, but heck since we're talking about it now, Chain's hit on something most significant, we cannot be dispossessed of the land everywhere and still hope to preserve our race. It will be an impossibility. Let me repeat that: IMPOSSIBLE.

We have to preserve some exclusive White territory on this globe, otherwise party's over folks and there will be no point in any further racialist discussions. That's how serious this flooding of the inner dikes, to borrow from Lothrop Stoddard, is.

Chain's idea of an Office of White Diaspora is fantastic and really most needed. Folks, we lost the Kwa, and that's not being defeatist to acknowledge the reality on the ground, now are we going to sit around in the jungle commiserating over the Kwa and indulging in a fantasy that will never be realized that we're going to retake it, or do we put our energies into assisting those lands still White to remain so? That's the reality AmeriKwan racialists are faced with today...Wherever there is a formal 'country' that does not offically represent the interests of the White Nation (i.e White Nationalists), the whites within the confines of such a country are in a de facto state of diaspora. 'Countries' are arbitrary lines on a map; tax farms. Race is Nation. We can only be 'defeated', if our Race is subsumed worldwide. We may shrink drastically in numbers, but ultimately we will survive as a race because we are better.

Some 'countries' have better racial capital than others. Some countries are more 'white friendly' than others.

If you are in a non-white area, insulate yourself and/or move to whiter areas. Work for white interests wherever you are. Work towards an officially white country. If a country goes white, support that country and/or move there. These are the rules for White Nationalists caught in racial diaspora.

'Countries' are arbitrary lines on a map; tax farms. Race is Nation. We can only be 'defeated', if our Race is subsumed worldwide. We may shrink drastically in numbers, but ultimately we will survive as a race because we are better.

I have to respectfully disagree, countries, Nation, is more than an arbitrary line on a map, it is the geopolitical representation of a race, and determines its quite literal biological boundaries on this planet. Also, Whites cannot exist in a world in which we have no official, or rather exclusive White living space. The only way White living space stays or remains exclusive is through government, and without a government(s) and those lines on a map which are exclusively White we cannot survive. We will racially speaking be absorbed by the nonwhite world into their exclusive territories.

Let's look at where Whites have "lost" control of those artificial lines, such as Rhodesia and South Africa. Whites have effectively been "cleansed" from Rhodesia, and are on the way to being racially cleansed in South Africa. Another example, Amerikwa. Whites have effectively been "cleansed" from much of the Southwest and increasingly the state of California. When these artificial lines change racially our race comes ever closer to extinction. Nature's rule here is very simple: Grow or die. We're dying, and that's evident by what seems like a never ending surrender, abandonment or flight from actual land on this planet. If we want to stop the hemoraging, we have to first begin by ensuring that land on this planet that is still "pure" White remains so. This is it now folks, do or die, if not one artificial "nation" on planet Earth is demographically White, and by that 99-100% White, we're toast folks. Whites do not thrive in, do not reproduce in and will not be permitted enclaves in a Kwa environment. We have enough history now to back that up, so we have one alternative only, and this is to, no matter the cost, preserve what's left of exclusive White territory.

Furthermore, I want to address this because we're White we can do/survive anything. If that's the basis for WN thinking, then we're in deep trouble. Racially speaking Whites are quite frankly marginally better than other races, it is our potential, the White capacity for evolving and growing into an even more advanced species that is really what separates us from the others. Whites can do and be better essentially than what we currently are, we can blaze new trails and evolve, something that heretofore no other human race has shown any potential to do, our closest competitors, the East Asians, have shown only a propensity to tread in place, evolutionarily speaking. But, just because we might be better than the other races, doesn't also mean we're more fit, or that just by showing up sort of speak we'll defeat our racial competitors. If the Kwa is any example, Whitey is getting his ass handed to him by lesser races, yes I understand the Jew is working behind the scenes, but bottom line, the nonwhite hordes are kicking White ass with little White response here. Why? I mean, we're White we should by virtue of that fact be on the winning side. Lothrop Stoddard has a great commentary on this:

THE INNER DIKES (http://www.churchoftrueisrael.com/stoddard/rtc_3-11.html)

The lines just quoted squarely counter the "survival of the fittest " plea so often made by Asiatic propagandists for colored immigration. The argument runs that, since the Oriental laborer is able to underbid the white laborer, the Oriental is the "fittest" and should therefore be allowed to supplant the white man in the interests of human progress. This is of course merely clever use of the well-known fallacy which confuses the terms "fittest" and "best." The idea that, because a certain human type "fits" in certain ways a particular environment (often an unhealthy, man-made social environment), it should be allowed to drive out another type endowed with much richer potentialities for the highest forms of human evolution, is a sophistry as absurd as it is dangerous.

This is no insignificant point, the White race has great potential, but in order to explore that potential we must first pass the most basic test of nature, we must demonstrate our capacity to survive, and that is no easy test.

I highly recommend folks to read Lothrop Stoddard, The Rising Tide of Color (http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=21563). Stoddard essentially breaks down the geobiological reality and I believe his analysis on the importance of the Inner Dikes, and the preservation of exclusive White land is as relevant today as it was then, if not more so. We've got hard examples of what follows territorial loss, and so far it has been disastrous.

Returning more to the specific thread topic, what Chain has not so subtly shown us is what we should but are not doing: reproducing. These lovely pics are a reminder of that most important purpose.

And by contrast, for those who think Whites can somehow survive in breeched territory, we're not doing it in the Kwa, and there's good reason for that. With our living space shrinking and encroached upon our reproductive urge is diminshed and to some extent paralyzed. Buchanan wrote a well documented book on the "West's" declining birthrate, we're not even reproducing at replacement rate.

Not to beat a dead horse, but that's why keeping the land "pure" White is priority one, priority two is reproducing at a better than replacement rate. We've got the beauties, that's evident in this thread, so why aren't we busy bringing more Aryans into this world??? :confused:

I have to respectfully disagree, countries, Nation, is more than an arbitrary line on a map, it is the geopolitical representation of a race, and determines its quite literal biological boundaries on this planet. Also, Whites cannot exist in a world in which we have no official, or rather exclusive White living space. The only way White living space stays or remains exclusive is through government, and without a government(s) and those lines on a map which are exclusively White we cannot survive. We will racially speaking be absorbed by the nonwhite world into their exclusive territories.
I make a clear distinction between 'country' and 'nation' or place and race. It is possible for whites to live in a predominately non-white country, say China, and remain white. So long as they have internal regulatory values, eg group membership rules of socialization. How have the jews managed to maintain themselves amongst the nations, if it is impossible to survive as a Nation without a country? It comes down to the question of internal vs external regulation... Internal regulation is much more effective.

Let's look at where Whites have "lost" control of those artificial lines, such as Rhodesia and South Africa. Whites have effectively been "cleansed" from Rhodesia, and are on the way to being racially cleansed in South Africa. Another example, Amerikwa. Whites have effectively been "cleansed" from much of the Southwest and increasingly the state of California. When these artificial lines change racially our race comes ever closer to extinction. Nature's rule here is very simple: Grow or die. We're dying, and that's evident by what seems like a never ending surrender, abandonment or flight from actual land on this planet. If we want to stop the hemoraging, we have to first begin by ensuring that land on this planet that is still "pure" White remains so. This is it now folks, do or die, if not one artificial "nation" on planet Earth is demographically White, and by that 99-100% White, we're toast folks. Whites do not thrive in, do not reproduce in and will not be permitted enclaves in a Kwa environment. We have enough history now to back that up, so we have one alternative only, and this is to, no matter the cost, preserve what's left of exclusive White territory. The problem with governments is that people end up relying on them too much. For making decisions that they should well be able to make themselves. Did the Southerners become nigga-lovers after the Civil War? According to your theory there shouldn't be any whites left in the South. And yet they are there... in fewer numbers -- in dangerous and demoralizing conditions it's true -- but there... What is the bigger threat to their existence, the assault on their livingspace or the assault on their minds and morals via mass media?

Furthermore, I want to address this because we're White we can do/survive anything. If that's the basis for WN thinking, then we're in deep trouble. Racially speaking Whites are quite frankly marginally better than other races, it is our potential, the White capacity for evolving and growing into an even more advanced species that is really what separates us from the others. Whites can do and be better essentially than what we currently are, we can blaze new trails and evolve, something that heretofore no other human race has shown any potential to do, our closest competitors, the East Asians, have shown only a propensity to tread in place, evolutionarily speaking. But, just because we might be better than the other races, doesn't also mean we're more fit, or that just by showing up sort of speak we'll defeat our racial competitors. If the Kwa is any example, Whitey is getting his ass handed to him by lesser races, yes I understand the Jew is working behind the scenes, but bottom line, the nonwhite hordes are kicking White ass with little White response here. Why? I mean, we're White we should by virtue of that fact be on the winning side. I too am no fan of 'supremacy' thinking in that it is often used as an excuse for passivity and a counter-productive laissez faire attitude. But in all frankness, we are better and I sense that we are collectively coming to an understanding of the problems that we face and the culprits behind them. Some say the glass is half empty. It may very well be half full.

This is no insignificant point, the White race has great potential, but in order to explore that potential we must first pass the most basic test of nature, we must demonstrate our capacity to survive, and that is no easy test. We've had a fair start. I've put my fifty on the white horse...

Three more-

Thanks for the pics Chain. The utter beauty of White women is the peak, point, and pinnacle of 4.8 billions years of evolution. To allow this incredible loveliness to be submerged into a sea of mud would be a sin against all that is holy: Our people. To protect our women alone is reason enough to torch the world.

What is it we fight for, if not for this:

These three perhaps Xmess lonely. Online looking now-

The next 6 or 9 I somehow overlooked posting earlier, though they were in my computer. No disrespect intended:

And still- (oh yeah, Byron says he'll have the vids ready sometime this weekend)

Do not click unless you want to see the same auburn haired, blue-eyed girl-

It is possible for whites to live in a predominately non-white country, say China, and remain white. So long as they have internal regulatory values, eg group membership rules of socialization. How have the jews managed to maintain themselves amongst the nations, if it is impossible to survive as a Nation without a country? It comes down to the question of internal vs external regulation... Internal regulation is much more effective.

Here's where we really disagree, first what works for Jews, as in conditions in which they can thrive, may not, and I would argue, are not satisfactory conditions for Aryans to thrive in. Jews don't do well in orderly, homogenous Aryan societies so their natural inclination is to turn them into Kwas, where they do thrive.

I don't see White folk surviving as a minority in a nonwhite majority nation. Are there any examples, other than South Africa and Rhodesia, where btw the White race is on the verge of being racially cleansed, of Whites living and thriving as minorities???

It doesn't work for us, and Amerikwa is the best example of that. We need exclusive White territory in which to thrive as a people and most importantly reproduce our numbers.

The problem with governments is that people end up relying on them too much. For making decisions that they should well be able to make themselves. Did the Southerners become nigga-lovers after the Civil War? According to your theory there shouldn't be any whites left in the South. And yet they are there... in fewer numbers -- in dangerous and demoralizing conditions it's true -- but there... What is the bigger threat to their existence, the assault on their livingspace or the assault on their minds and morals via mass media?

You make my point for me, "in fewer numbers--in dangerous and demoralizing conditions..." And let's take another more urgent displacement, that of the mexishit. Look at how they've swept through the southwest and CA, there are no more Whites there for all practical purposes, and for arguments sake I'll include TX in that group. For all practical purposes the American southwest and CA are under Mexican political control by virtue of the demographics. Now, we can argue which came first the chicken or the egg, obviously this invasion was set up with the 1965 Immigration Act, and the relentless brainwashing of our folk, but in the end, it is the surrender of livingspace, in this case without any real fight, that's most damaging. It's linked to the assault on their minds, but blood and soil is the issue at hand, and we simply cannot afford to surrender any more.

Priority one must be the securing of what remains of the "pure" White lands on this planet. If we can't even hold our own territory then it's insanity to even fantasize about retaking anything. Our first major victory is going to be a defensive one, or rather needs to be, we need to draw a line in the sand, metaphorically speaking, most probably in Eastern Europe and Russia, and we need to make it stick. No more colored masses invading precious White land. That's really our objective now. We've got to show ourselves and our enemies we can hold something, we can defend ourselves. So far all we've done is take lethal hits, Stoddard writes very eloquently on the Inner Dikes and the importance of defending exclusive White land.

I too am no fan of 'supremacy' thinking in that it is often used as an excuse for passivity and a counter-productive laissez faire attitude. But in all frankness, we are better and I sense that we are collectively coming to an understanding of the problems that we face and the culprits behind them. Some say the glass is half empty. It may very well be half full.

We've had a fair start. I've put my fifty on the white horse...

On what basis are you making that bet? We're a dying people right now, barely reproducing, and that's the crux of it. That has to change, immediately, if we want to salvage ourselves racially. I'm of the opinion that securing and preserving the "pure" White lands is our only hope at this juncture, if we fail there I honestly do believe all hope is lost.

The power of the Kwa is too great, and frankly our people will be unable to resist absorption. A better group of our race, the Ancient Aryans, failed to hold the racial line in India, and that's after having given the issue some thought and devising a rather brilliant, though flawed, caste system. If they couldn't fend off absorption being conscious of it and its dangers, our folk are definitely not going to succeed where they failed. Separation is a must, and if we can't secure that, we've lost. I'm not espousing defeatism, rather what I believe is a realistic assessment of our current situation, and the options we have.

There is currently some interest in our setting up an international worldwide office to assist in achieving asylum and re-locations for governmentally discriminated-against and marauded Whites in the current and certain-to-be-worsening White Diaspora.

Blonde, brunette, redhead-

Thanks for the pics Chain. The utter beauty of White women is the peak, point, and pinnacle of 4.8 billions years of evolution. To allow this incredible loveliness to be submerged into a sea of mud would be a sin against all that is holy: Our people. To protect our women alone is reason enough to torch the world.

What is it we fight for, if not for this:

What he said. :box:

Here's where we really disagree, first what works for Jews, as in conditions in which they can thrive, may not, and I would argue, are not satisfactory conditions for Aryans to thrive in. Jews don't do well in orderly, homogenous Aryan societies so their natural inclination is to turn them into Kwas, where they do thrive.

I don't see White folk surviving as a minority in a nonwhite majority nation. Are there any examples, other than South Africa and Rhodesia, where btw the White race is on the verge of being racially cleansed, of Whites living and thriving as minorities???I do not necessarily 'recommend' the jewish survival strategy for whites, I merely point out that they not only have managed to survive as a nation without a country, but have attained disproportional influence and power. They are an example of a 'thriving' minority.

Whites, too, are a minority at 8% of the world's population. We also exert a disproportional influence on the world -- even in our debased, socially-engineered condition. I tend to interpret Stoddard's 'inner-dike' as a metaphor for social cohesion and not necessarily a physical boundary. The majority of English in India did not become Indians -- as they remained English and considered it to be inappropriate to act any other way; i.e. although they had penetrated the livingspace of another race they remained separate from them, i.e. their 'inner-dikes' remained intact. It is no different with the English today amongst the Indians.

It doesn't work for us, and Amerikwa is the best example of that. We need exclusive White territory in which to thrive as a people and most importantly reproduce our numbers.Securing the 'outer dikes' of livingspace, eg 'white citizenship' / white geography is a logical extension of the inner dike and where it is secured the race will 'thrive'. My only contention is that we can still 'survive' so long as the inner dikes have not been compromised and that they are of primary importance.

You make my point for me, "in fewer numbers--in dangerous and demoralizing conditions..." And let's take another more urgent displacement, that of the mexishit. Look at how they've swept through the southwest and CA, there are no more Whites there for all practical purposes, and for arguments sake I'll include TX in that group. For all practical purposes the American southwest and CA are under Mexican political control by virtue of the demographics. Now, we can argue which came first the chicken or the egg, obviously this invasion was set up with the 1965 Immigration Act, and the relentless brainwashing of our folk, but in the end, it is the surrender of livingspace, in this case without any real fight, that's most damaging. It's linked to the assault on their minds, but blood and soil is the issue at hand, and we simply cannot afford to surrender any more. Yes and even more telling is how the whites react to these physical incursions: they keep moving further and further away. It is partly genocide but also a tactical retreat. White communities are shrinking, but they are also on the move. Every 20-40 years the neighborhood is thrown away.

Priority one must be the securing of what remains of the "pure" White lands on this planet. If we can't even hold our own territory then it's insanity to even fantasize about retaking anything. Our first major victory is going to be a defensive one, or rather needs to be, we need to draw a line in the sand, metaphorically speaking, most probably in Eastern Europe and Russia, and we need to make it stick. No more colored masses invading precious White land. That's really our objective now. We've got to show ourselves and our enemies we can hold something, we can defend ourselves. So far all we've done is take lethal hits, Stoddard writes very eloquently on the Inner Dikes and the importance of defending exclusive White land.Priority one is securing the 'inner dikes' of the mind while combating enemy propaganda. Again, white livingspace is a logical extension of the first dike and therefore of secondary importance.

On what basis are you making that bet? We're a dying people right now, barely reproducing, and that's the crux of it. That has to change, immediately, if we want to salvage ourselves racially. I'm of the opinion that securing and preserving the "pure" White lands is our only hope at this juncture, if we fail there I honestly do believe all hope is lost. It's too easy to give up hope with your 'all or nothing' geographic condition. It comes across as theoretical, simplistic gloom and doom.

The power of the Kwa is too great, and frankly our people will be unable to resist absorption. A better group of our race, the Ancient Aryans, failed to hold the racial line in India, and that's after having given the issue some thought and devising a rather brilliant, though flawed, caste system. If they couldn't fend off absorption being conscious of it and its dangers, our folk are definitely not going to succeed where they failed. Separation is a must, and if we can't secure that, we've lost. I'm not espousing defeatism, rather what I believe is a realistic assessment of our current situation, and the options we have.It is unknown how many Aryans actually ruled India, but it couldn't have been more than a couple of thousand -- comprised mostly of men/invaders. Despite your objections I would classify your argument as defeatist, unrealistic and disproportionate -- especially because "we have not yet begun to fight" ...

I do not necessarily 'recommend' the jewish survival strategy for whites, I merely point out that they not only have managed to survive as a nation without a country, but have attained disproportional influence and power. They are an example of a 'thriving' minority.

Whites, too, are a minority at 8% of the world's population. We also exert a disproportional influence on the world -- even in our debased, socially-engineered condition. I tend to interpret Stoddard's 'inner-dike' as a metaphor for social cohesion and not necessarily a physical boundary. The majority of English in India did not become Indians -- as they remained English and considered it to be inappropriate to act any other way; i.e. although they had penetrated the livingspace of another race they remained separate from them, i.e. their 'inner-dikes' remained intact. It is no different with the English today amongst the Indians.

Stoddard is actually quite clear on this, the Inner Dikes are according to him exclusive White territory, the example you cite of India is classified by Stoddard as the Outer Dikes, Whites in nonwhite territory but with political control/influence:

CHAPTER X THE OUTER DIKES (http://www.churchoftrueisrael.com/stoddard/rtc_3-10.html)

IN my first chapter I showed that the rising tide of color to-day finds itself confronted by dikes erected by the white race during the centuries of its expansion. The reader will also remember that white expansion has taken two forms: settlement and political control. These two phases differ profoundly in character. Areas of settlement like North America have become integral portions of the white world. On the other hand, regions of political control like India are merely white dependencies, highly valuable perhaps, yet in the last analysis held by title of the sword.

Between these clearly contrasted categories lies an intermediate class of territories typified by South Africa, where whites have settled in large numbers without displacing the native populations. Lastly, there exist certain white territories which may be called "enclaves." These enclaves have become thoroughly white by settlement, yet they are so distant from the main body of the white world and so contiguous to colored race-areas that white tenure does not possess that security which settlement and displacement of the aborigines normally confer. Australia typifies this anomalous class of cases.

The white defenses against the colored tide can be divided into what may be termed the "outer" and the "inner" dikes. The outer dikes (the regions of white political control) contain no settled white population, so that their abandonment, whatever the political or economic loss, would not directly affect white race-integrity. The question of their retention or abandonment should therefore (save in a few exceptional cases) be judged by political, economic, or strategic considerations. The inner dikes (the areas of white settlement), however, are a very different matter. Peopled as they are wholly or largely by whites, they have become parts of the race-heritage, which should be defended to the last extremity no matter if the costs involved are greater than their mere economic value would warrant. They are the true bulwarks of the race, the patrimony of future generations who have a right to demand of us that they shall be born white in a white man's land. Ill will it fare if ever our race should close its ears to this most elemental call of the blood. Then, indeed, would be manifest the writing on the wall.

Securing the 'outer dikes' of livingspace, eg 'white citizenship' / white geography is a logical extension of the inner dike and where it is secured the race will 'thrive'. My only contention is that we can still 'survive' so long as the inner dikes have not been compromised and that they are of primary importance.

You're in direct contention then with Stoddard, he makes it plainly clear that should our Inner Dikes be flooded, all is lost. I tend to agree. Right now, Eastern Europe and Russia and to varying degree Western Europe, are the last of the Inner Dikes not yet flooded. If that condition changes, I would argue that Stoddard's analysis will prove accurate, and the White race will be no more.

Yes and even more telling is how the whites react to these physical incursions: they keep moving further and further away. It is partly genocide but also a tactical retreat. White communities are shrinking, but they are also on the move. Every 20-40 years the neighborhood is thrown away.

Priority one is securing the 'inner dikes' of the mind while combating enemy propaganda. Again, white livingspace is a logical extension of the first dike and therefore of secondary importance.

I see it in reverse, we can still compete for White minds only in exclusively White territory. In a Kwa environment, and using Amerikwa for reference, we're losing the battle over our folk's minds and biology, specifically our reproduction. More importantly, the Kwa obfuscates and confuses our folk, so much so that as we see here in Amerikwa we are at odds with our own folk over the issue of our survival! It's an interesting spin you have, that of the mental Inner Dikes, but I think the flaw in that thinking is that it allows for us to rationalize the complete surrender and abandonment of all lands White. I would argue that that leaves us not only totally vulnerable and without possibility of regrouping racially, but also delusional in the belief that we're racially still in the game when in fact it would be over. And consider this, if Whites can't hold their own living space, defend it from encroachment now, we're to believe that they'll be capable of extreme violence hypothetically in order to carve out exclusive White territory in the future? And also, when Whites have been rendered powerless politically, worldwide, we're to believe then that against what will be an entirely anti-White world, Whites will defy and overcome the global political machinery?

It's too easy to give up hope with your 'all or nothing' geographic condition. It comes across as theoretical, simplistic gloom and doom.

It is unknown how many Aryans actually ruled India, but it couldn't have been more than a couple of thousand -- comprised mostly of men/invaders. Despite your objections I would classify your argument as defeatist, unrealistic and disproportionate -- especially because "we have not yet begun to fight" ...

I would argue we're now in a position that is in fact do or die, it's all on the line now, and not in the Kwa, imo that time has long since past here. No, the racial front has now moved and it's in the region Chain finds himself. As Stoddard so eloquently writes, "they have become parts of the race-heritage, which should be defended to the last extremity no matter if the costs involved are greater than their mere economic value would warrant. They are the true bulwarks of the race, the patrimony of future generations who have a right to demand of us that they shall be born white in a white man's land. Ill will it fare if ever our race should close its ears to this most elemental call of the blood. Then, indeed, would be manifest the writing on the wall."

I spoke with Agis about this debate; I believe he feels that Whitefist takes too dim or "negative" or "defeatist" vantage points on these matters.

Regardless of what Stoddard said on the Inner Dikes-- and Stoddard makes sense to me on the subject-- it is true that only a very few (themselves, mostly assaulted) White countries remain.

I know that Agis is in support of a possible worldwide White Diaspora office being established, yet I have to say: I tend to agree more with Whitefist on this matter. The Kwa is in a real bad way, and it ain't "coming back." We simply cannot afford to let the last few remaining White preserves fall to global joo mind control and sicken to become the ensuing, internally chaotic and existentially nihilistic Orc-mudslide prisons we're mostly trapped in now.

If it's morally mandated that all peoples have an inherent right to self-determination upon their Own Racial Homelands (nations or regions)-- whether holyized IZraelis in IZ; Malays in Indonesia and Philippines; Nipponese in Japan; Chinese in China; or Afreakins in Afreaka, then why doesn't/shouldn't the same hold true for Whites?

The Kwa is in a real bad way, and it ain't "coming back." We simply cannot afford to let the last few remaining White preserves fall to global joo mind control and sicken to become the ensuing, internally chaotic and existentially nihilistic Orc-mudslide prisons we're mostly trapped in now.

If it's morally mandated that all peoples have an inherent right to self-determination upon their Own Racial Homelands (nations or regions)-- whether holyized IZraelis in IZ; Malays in Indonesia and Philippines; Nipponese in Japan; Chinese in China; or Afreakins in Afreaka, then why doesn't/shouldn't the same hold true for Whites?

This may perhaps be the most crucial point for our "movement" and our race, and it hinges on our perspective and whether we have the correct one. I firmly believe that Amerikwa, THE KWA, is for all practical purposes lost to us. We lost political control of America beginning in 1865, and culturally we lost control in the last 50 years. The Jew triumph here is complete, those Whites who remain now in the Kwa have adapted and while probably a large portion still "live" White, in the sense that they try to live in White communities, associate more or less mostly with fellow Whites, and do everything in their power to avoid coming into contact with the worst aspects of the Kwa, despite this, they are merely the Last of the Mohicans, slowly dying off or being absorbed by the Kwa, or their children effectively being "Kwanned" and living as Whiggers.

We no longer hold the high ground racially in this world, and so we have to pick our battles wisely, and commit 100% to the battle, something that wasn't done here in Amerikwa. If the Kwa is lost, and I believe it is, it's pointless to waste resources or energy battling against it here. Where we do believe we can make the difference and where we are on more equal footing against our enemies is imo where we must do battle without compromise or mercy and most fanatically. My sense is that can only take place in areas where our racial folk are in abundance, and more or less healthy racially speaking. We'll be at our strongest there, and with our greatest potential. I wish those Whites who believe they can retake the Kwa all the best and much success, but in good conscience I cannot endorse that belief and prefer instead that we adopt a more realistic assessment of where we are racially and what we can no longer afford to lose or compromise on.

What we're fighting for-

Um, toss the American women to the jew dogs? Give up on them? Is that what I am hearing in this thread?

After reading this, why should I an american women bother with ya?

Tell me are these Baltic women nice and friendly? I have been around many russians and eastern euros. I find them rather rude and snobby and very unfrendly. They only stick with their own kind and make it very clear they do not want to bother with us but enjoy coming to the USA and Canada and sucking off our tet. Just like any other dirty immigrant. Personally I wish them back to their own country and don't care if they are white.

Pussy white american guys are hard to fight for too but I suck in it and do it. I will always love my american guys. Too bad ya seem not. The jew wants you to give up on us good American women. You play right into their hands.

Um, toss the American women to the jew dogs? Give up on them? Is that what I am hearing in this thread?

After reading this, why should I an american women bother with ya?

Tell me are these Baltic women nice and friendly? I have been around many russians and eastern euros. I find them rather rude and snobby and very unfrendly. They only stick with their own kind and make it very clear they do not want to bother with us but enjoy coming to the USA and Canada and sucking off our tet. Just like any other dirty immigrant. Personally I wish them back to their own country and don't care if they are white.

Pussy white american guys are hard to fight for too but I suck in it and do it. I will always love my american guys. Too bad ya seem not. The jew wants you to give up on us good American women. You play right into their hands.

You're seriously misreading the discussion in this thread:

1. No one is saying throw Amerikwan women to the jew dogs, but Kwan women themselves have become one of the biggest supporters of the Kwa! It has been White Kwan women that have made Oprah an "O" billionaire! :eek:

2. Just be aware that many "Russians" in America are actually Jews! So, if you've had some bad experiences with them, that could be the reason. As for the topic in this thread, Estonian women, the Baltic ladies are most definitely White in look and manners as well.

The discussion that this thread has sparked is an assessment of Amerikwa in contrast to Estonia and by extension Eastern Europe/Russia. What I am arguing is that Amerikwa, The Kwa, is lost, we aren't going to retake it because we can't even defend it against the Jew/colored onslaught. When you've got mexishits as far north as Maine and Hmong tribesman in Wisconsin, you've got massive problems! Things are getting progressively worse every year in the Kwa, and so far the worse is better theory hasn't played out, although the proponents keep assuring us that Whites just need things to get a little worse then we'll see something. :confused: I wouldn't hold my breath waiting...

And this is the crucial point, the conditions of the Kwa make White regrouping almost impossible. Even when conversing with White folk today one must "feel them out" to determine the depth of the conversation you can have regarding White survival! :eek: Conditions in the Kwa for Whites are severely inhibiting, which has led to an ever shrinking White population. I'll venture a guess that if we could take a real census we'd be horrified at the actual numbers in the Kwa. All of this imo means we need to rethink where we intend to make a White stand. For those Kwans who want to stick it out, good luck, and I mean that sincerely, but at the same time don't play the nationalist angle, as though America, which is more closely resembling Africa and Latin America by the day, is somehow more White or better than our folk in Europe, especially Eastern Europe and Russia. In fact, we may actually owe the Jews a thank you for the communist isolation of that region as it may be the only reason the area is still somewhat White and jewise, as opposed to our jewloving, decadent, Western White Kwans and their increasingly Whigger children if they even have any children...

Okay, I will think about what you say, Whitefist, I know ya are discussing this at the angle of 'breeding purposes'. VNN is American and sometimes I got to get on my high horse and speak up for the American women. Someone has got to. :D

Er, the russians I have met are white and christian generally. They just ain't a friendly lot. I know Americans who work and deal with them, they say the same thing. We find it curious to say the least.

You have missed the plot Jane. The three worst enemies of White people are (in order of threat):

1. White western women.
2. Christians

and coming up a very poor third...

3. jews or Zionists, depending on whether you ascribe to the 'good' jew theory or not.

Also, you will notice that it is much easier to bust in (or threaten to do so) a fellow White Nationalist's head (or any White for that matter), than to go out and do it to a nigger or a kike. The kike can be filling you children's heads up with garbage, the nigger impregnating your daughter, but that White man better not look cross-eyed at you, or heaven help him!

*shrugs shoulders* I'm not sure why this is so. I'm just a simple man. I think the White women of the US have the cutest voices though, as long as they are of the US and not of the Kwa, all niggerfied, jewified and what have you.

In case anyone missed this from the main page: The Tiny Tigers (http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,391649,00.html)

Chain, there's so much to discuss about this region, perhaps it deserves a forum of its own, and perhaps invitation only so that a more frank discussion can occur, particularly as it relates to White Diaspora.

WOW. These Estonian women are HOT, HOT, HOT. Looks like you are having the time of your life there. Keep posting pics of these lovlies, I cannot get enough. It reminds me of what I fight for every time I see these pics. Tell your new foxy friends that I fly an Estonian flag outside my house (being one-quarter Estonian and proud of it!!!). I know I can count on you to educate these beauties on the dangers of associating with the jews and nonwhites. 88

In case anyone missed this from the main page: The Tiny Tigers (http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,391649,00.html)

Chain, there's so much to discuss about this region, perhaps it deserves a forum of its own, and perhaps invitation only so that a more frank discussion can occur, particularly as it relates to White Diaspora.


I can understand creating a forum for this region but why would you make it invitation only? If it relates to White Diaspora, than would not all whites be interested?

please carry on with the pics and the thread, little ol' me understands better, I didn't want the thread to stop. Guys like to see what they are fighting for.
Just sad that we white western women have become the enemy to our white western men. Who would have guessed it, eh? It breaks my heart it does cause I have always been a proud white western Amercian girl. It certainly aint' worth a shit these days. :mad:

That's only because you never started a thread posting pictures of yourself ;)

That's only because you never started a thread posting pictures of yourself ;)

You will win my heart yet KLM.

I did think about posting Texas Beauties since our state is quite famed for that and I just watched some tough texas beauties barrel racing, but ....

That truth ya speak makes me hesitate. I could not be sure that the women I posted would stand by their white man. I really hate when this point is made prevalent. It really brings it all home. How so down the road we have gone where my men are have to seek good women outside our own country. Our men went to the moon for crips sake, why do we turn our backs on such a strong good thing, men that have a real future.

And it is threads like this that show me the big depressing picture. It hits home the real status of the white women and how the white women plays serious part in the jew façade, even fooling themselves. It is like they really don’t know where the power comes from. I mean I think women are tripping on this whole con of self empowerment when it is just the jew taking the power away from the white man. I shake my head at the thought. We truly are fools and very weak to play into this. Silly for us to toss aside our men protectors.

It goes both ways. Men have to do their parts too. Not to say that all White men are at fault to the point where white women need to take their coffee black. Alot of that is just fashion, anyway

Damn, Chain. That's about as close to perfection as one can get.

http://home.comcast.net/~jk121764/estonia1

She is quite stunning.

They are poor right?

EDIT:

Chain what is your main Estonia thread? I want to get an idea of what you are doing. I did a search but I didn't get an all encompassing one.

They are poor right?There are supposedly great economic stresses here, though they surely don't show it-- I am told from pride.

The average income for young women is said to be (from several people I know who I believe themselves know) $400 per month. Supposedly, young women quadruple up to share a tiny apartment because of (for them) high rents. Else they live with extended family.

Nordea bank of Finland, I think it is, finances 54% of the country. Credit cards and laptops are everywhere. New cars abound-- Beemers, Benzes, Toyotas; almost NO old cars. And supermarkets. And casinos (video game payouts ala in so many JOG states). Shopping centers. Yet not overbuilt or saturated or even "bombed out/'semi-abandoned' " (i.e., nigger shopping centers) as The Kwa is.

The women dress VERY sharply. They look WAY better in dress, composure, makeup, posture, weight, natural, easeful femininity-- everything than Kwan women. They are not fat, loud waddling geese.

And I've seen and partied with a lot of exquisite White women in skimpy swimsuits on Maui.

If this is "poor"-- I'll take it.

"Not showing it" comes from long practice. $400/mo probably provides for a better lifestyle than in the Soviet Union.

Economic prosperity is a very subjective matter, anyway. You just don't save for your retirement, and don't waste money on non-important things that you "must have".

Yes. A few other things I have heard, rasputin: Things are better off than in Russia. Belarusian and Lithuanian young like to find their ways into Estonia because of the prosperity; even German business investors, rather large ones, are moving capital here to the chagrin of the German government.

Most young people-- even many boomers in the states, are not as prepared for retirement as they could be.

In a heated economy, consumption abounds.

I've heard complaints from local women about the very high price of food. I bought two already grilled barbecued ribs, 4 inch squares at my supermarket deli on Christmas Day-- 75 cents total. Fried chicken legs are 25 cents each. The cheapest beer, Elektra, is 5.4 or 5.8 kroons (about 41-45 cents or so) in the supermarket for a half litre bottle. And alcohol content ranges from 4.1% to 4.7%.

When they give birth, the government pays them 4,000 ee per month (about $330 per month) for the first year of their child's life.

What, nobody likes these? Shall I delete the thread as the Jooz have practically deleted these girls from North America?

They are breath taking, please dont delete them!

And it is threads like this that show me the big depressing picture. It hits home the real status of the white women and how the white women plays serious part in the jew façade, even fooling themselves. It is like they really don’t know where the power comes from. I mean I think women are tripping on this whole con of self empowerment when it is just the jew taking the power away from the white man. I shake my head at the thought. We truly are fools and very weak to play into this. Silly for us to toss aside our men protectors.


Why can't all white women have this degree of perception ?

Once white men are gone, who do white women think will be next on the menu ?






"Our's are the fingers that tip scales"...........yiddish

Three again-

Call Finnair. Fly in through Helsinki connection; NYC to Tallinn on a 30 day visa=$500-$650, depending on the season.

No visa required if US citizen. I can help VNNers get apartments at around $5.00 to $7.00 per day on a minimum 30 day rental, unless the requests become too numerous.

The rules here are, you can stay 90 days with no visa required; then you must leave the country for 90 days; then you may repeat this cycle endlessly. You MAY legally buy property and reside in this country based up that cycle. Depending on people's seriousness levels-- I may be able to help with that process.

Um, toss the American women to the jew dogs? Give up on them? Is that what I am hearing in this thread?

The women of america have been indoctrinated with a contempt for men.
Men are rebelling by looking for women overseas, often in Asia , unfortunately.

After reading this, why should I an american women bother with ya?

This is exactly what the tribe wants, an ever growing self fueling hostility between white men and women.

Tell me are these Baltic women nice and friendly? I have been around many russians and eastern euros. I find them rather rude and snobby and very unfrendly. They only stick with their own kind and make it very clear they do not want to bother with us but enjoy coming to the USA and Canada and sucking off our tet. Just like any other dirty immigrant. Personally I wish them back to their own country and don't care if they are white.

Sentiments that many in my family have expressed, 'go fix your own country, don't come over here'.

Pussy white american guys are hard to fight for too but I suck in it and do it. I will always love my american guys. Too bad ya seem not. The jew wants you to give up on us good American women.

Amen to that, it is part of the grand plan, 'Always make trouble for the adversary'.
Trouble making is specialty of these devious folks, a genetic predisposition.
What were the names of the major feminist writers and provocateurs ?



Poison the well, to take the village (yiddish)

jane white 88 said-
Personally I wish them back to their own country and don't care if they are white.to which Itz molecular replied-
Sentiments that many in my family have expressed, 'go fix your own country, don't come over here'.Yeah well, unfortunately, it's still technically illegal to rout jooz out of their beds and shoot them in their heads.

Three more-

Right on, dood ! I do resent most immigrants comming to this country.

Europeans bring their ways, when they immigrate.

Examples: Oh, a national ID card is just fine , we have them in Europe.

Oh, gun control laws are good, private citizens don't need guns.

Registering with the police where you live is a good idea.

Laws against racial incitement ( they have them all over Euro)

Why my aunt resents them..... German female immigrant to my aunt " those poor jews, they did nothing to nobody"

The only immigrants that should be allowed are ones that will fervently defend the constitution and will totally embrace the concepts of Freedom and Liberty. Otherwise, " stay out " ! ..... ( white only, should be understood )

( Quite frankly, I think the US is overpopulated as it is. US has 300 million people in it. The US has about 300 million acres of productive farmland. when a nation reaches the point of one acre of farmland per citizens, it is approaching a critical and dangerous point.)

Why my aunt resents them..... German female immigrant to my aunt " those poor jews, they did nothing to nobody"You're saying your aunt has a generalized dislike for German immigrants because a German female immigrant made excuses for jews, or felt sorry for them? Your aunt is quite a racist or WN, eh? Most of us are not so lucky to have such people in their families.

Would you aunt like you continually quoting jews and their aphorisms on VNNF? Cause it sounds as if she is really, really unforgiving on issues of that type.

You're saying your aunt has a generalized dislike for German immigrants because a German female immigrant made excuses for jews, or felt sorry for them?

That's only one example of dozens and dozens of experiences. Space and time limitations prevent listing them all.

Your aunt is quite a racist or WN, eh? Most of us are not so lucky to have such people in their families.

One side of my family is race-savvy.

Would you aunt like you continually quoting jews and their aphorisms on VNNF?

I don't 'continually' quote their precepts, I have also quoted Agis, Schopenhauer and Ford.
I told her that one quote 'Ours are the fingers that tip scales.' Her immediate reply was 'Wow, doesn't that speak volumes about their behavior'.

Cause it sounds as if she is really, really unforgiving on issues of that type.

She isn't unforgiving as she is savvy, aware of these things.




On a recent goyfire you commented that lots of WN couldn't identify jews or even jewish names and you thought that was lamentable.
Well, I feel the same way that WN aren't familiar with jewish precepts and the principles by which they live. I put the yiddish quotes on some of my posts so that others can see what jews have thought for centuries, like;
'To take the village, poison the well.' ( that metaphor has many applications and shows one of their primary tactics).
If you think it is bad that WN can't identify plainly jewish names. I, in the same vein, think it is bad that WN don't understand the principles by which jews live.

Like this:
Jews consider deceit as a higher form of intelligence. When a jew defrauds a white man, he feels superior in intelligence. The white man feels cheated.
(Psssst, they don't think like we do .)





'Corral 40 of the world's richest jews and you will have an end to war' ... H.Ford

Three again-

Another three-

Three more-

That's great, Chain. It shows what we should be fighting for, not simply what we need to fight against. I like this pic of a pretty white girl in a non-niggerfied environment. I like the snow background, representing purity.

http://home.comcast.net/~jk121764/estonia2.jpg

I miss that proud and poor mind set, folks are so into 'things' here in the USA.
Forget what being proud is all about.
I am just a generation away from dirt poor. We were raised not to show your wealth.

Er, is there a man shortage over there? I googled for pics of men but nothing came up really not like you can find with women. Just wanted to see what the men folk looked like.

Three still-

What's the stature of these Estonians, are they tall , like Swedes ?
Do they have robust bodies ?
( it's difficult to tell from pictures. Since you are over there you can give a better opinion that one based on photos).

What's the stature of these Estonians, are they tall , like Swedes ?
Do they have robust bodies ?
( it's difficult to tell from pictures. Since you are over there you can give a better opinion that one based on photos).Average height of women and men is tall, yes. They are a tall people, Robust too, I think they are-- yet one very seldom sees a young, obese or even plump young one. Women in their 50's and 60's are more often of a shape generally associated with that age.

The 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica has about 3 pages on Estonia. I recall reading that the people often have spindly legs and are not as "robust" (or some such) as Scandinavians (or more specifically, as Finns or Swedes-- something). It doesn't look like that to me. On average, and I mean an average you can instantly perceive, these women shut down Kwan women in a Jew York minute.

They don't seem to age as well as Kwan women, but then they older ones were under the Soviet system. Also, Kwan alimony and goobermint and 501c3 women's systems go a long way in making life one on easy street.
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Itz molecular said in post #133-
On a recent goyfire you commented that lots of WN couldn't identify jews or even jewish names and you thought that was lamentable.
Well, I feel the same way that WN aren't familiar with jewish precepts and the principles by which they live. I put the yiddish quotes on some of my posts so that others can see what jews have thought for centuries, like;
'To take the village, poison the well.' ( that metaphor has many applications and shows one of their primary tactics).
If you think it is bad that WN can't identify plainly jewish names. I, in the same vein, think it is bad that WN don't understand the principles by which jews live.

Like this:
Jews consider deceit as a higher form of intelligence. When a jew defrauds a white man, he feels superior in intelligence. The white man feels cheated.
(Psssst, they don't think like we do .) Now that you are including more Babylonian Talmudic quotes, I see the sense. "The hand that rocks the cradle" or whatever some of those earlier quotes were-- they left a lot of room for positive double meaning, and you were an even newer poster at the time. Keep up the Babylonain Talmud quotes. That oral, historical screed comprises and elucidates the core of their belief system.

I'll start a collection. So we can all see how wasted the Kwa is and have hope for a better future.

The first two in this post are the same young woman; the third photo is a different woman.

Found some more on Google...

http://www.kt70.com/~jamesjpn/photos/estonia/Feb16_15.jpg

http://www.kt70.com/~jamesjpn/photos/estonia/Mar08_07.jpg
Estonian girls say "Were all one big happy human family"

http://annika.galerii.ee/images_t/people/t2_laulupidu19.jpg
The middle one is looking a little "wide in the hips"

http://www.kt70.com/~jamesjpn/photos/estonia/Mar08_03.jpg
Multi-Culti in Estonia? :eek:

http://www.kt70.com/~jamesjpn/photos/estonia/Tallin1.jpg
Looks like Jew porno king, Ed Powers (http://www.littlegrayguy.com/lgg/adventures/adultexpojan2001/images/IMG_3773_jpg.jpg)

http://www.kt70.com/~jamesjpn/photos/estonia/Mar08_08.jpg

http://www.aia.tartu.ee/oppetoo/norra/index_files/07911534c7ec9a.jpg

http://www.folklife.si.edu/resources/Festival1998/images/tradress.jpg
Betcha she has good breeding hips!


Looks a lot like this country. Regular White girls wherever you go. Same issues all over the western world.

I tried to find more glamorous pics, but the only ones I could find were on the "Euro-Brides" sites...

http://latvian.4marriage.biz/photo/single_woman_2_2395.jpg
http://latvian.4marriage.biz/photo/single_woman_1816.jpg
http://latvian.4marriage.biz/photo/single_woman_2_1816.jpg



I'll stay and fight for the White women here. :cheers:

I tried to find more glamorous pics, but the only ones I could find were on the "Euro-Brides" sites...Really? With all your admin/"I'm just a step below admin" skills, you now seem totally fuckin' helpless, but disingenuous and internally manipulative in your full bloom.

...Or was Interpol probably hacking me on VNNF's v Bulletin, as you seriously advised me several times on Skype, and should I "immediately hop a trawler to London" (to avoid land crossings of too many EU countries; and London because David Irving lasted the longest there) followed by a quick jet to the Kwa if I am locked out of VNNF's v Bulletin for several days again?

Any mod can click around in admin. settings. Funny how my browser immediately accepted my new registration as Craig Cobb, but locked me out for days as Chain, and even Stan and AE couldn't fix it by tweaking v Bulletin admin. I'm quite familiar with lifers' promo machination techniques.

I have ridden pump boats in the South China Sea, but never a Baltic or North Atlantic trawler. But as Jaggar says: "When the law, comes knockin', ya gotta moooove."

You're best quoting the bible, Krishton pilgrim, or yelling at VNNF posters who "preach to the choir" to "get the fuck off VNN"! There is a bad word again.

The file has been pulled and excised. Any VNNers who missed the Dec 27th episode of CR, just PM me; I'll be glad to shoot you the entire audio file.

Be sure to include an email address. Unsure if the file can be moved via standalone PM.

As you are quite aware, it's known by people far, far more skilled than yourself what has been going on-- just who is ham handedly controlling to an obsessive degree. It's all so Kelsoesque.

Just because young women are of child bearing age doesn't necessarily mean that they can bear children. Many women, especially those drawn to the jewish owned modeling and acting agencies (either in real life or imagined), are forced into the dangerous practices of anorexia and bulimia nervosa (http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?postid=331111#poststop). Here is one such White model's account here (http://www.xanga.com/passion_of_mind).

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b102/beaucoupimages/stuff/z5200145.jpg

Think about that for a moment. How many of the model and actress types have bore children? The sad truth is very few.

Google search: infertility + bulimia (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=infertility+%2B+bulimia&spell=1)
Google search: infertility + anorexia (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=infertility+%2B+anorexia&btnG=Search)

Anorexia and bulimia are usually the "beautifier" of choice, and is marketed to young White women by Jews even more than inter-racial relationships. Bear in mind that anorexia and bulimia do identical reproductive damage.

Can anorexia make you infertile?

Yes, in order for a woman to menstruate, become pregnant, and give birth to a healthy baby she needs body fat. Many anorexic girls and women either never get their period or their period stops due to extreme weight loss. The cessation of menstruation, (amenorrhea), can be permanent depending on how long a woman has been suffering from anorexia. But for most women menstruation will start up when they begin to gain weight. Roughly 80% of anorexic women who successfully treat their eating disorder will regain their ability to conceive.

When a woman's percentage of body fat falls below a certain minimum her body doesn't produce the levels of hormones necessary to stimulate ovulation. Rapid weight loss and undernourishment leads a woman's body into a state of emergency and she will not menstruate if she is just barely surviving. For those women who are able to conceive while suffering from anorexia they seriously jeopardize their own health and the health of their fetus. Pregnancy presents enormous strain on a woman's body. As the fetus develops it will take nourishment from the mother. If she suffers from an eating disorder this can seriously deplete her own scant reserves and she may begin to experience the exhaustion and depression that accompany malnourishment. If she brings the pregnancy to full-term she also may lack the energy required to meet the demands of a newborn while remaining healthy herself. Women with eating disorders also have higher rates of miscarriage and an increased risk of giving birth to a low weight baby. Any woman who is struggling with an eating disorder should delay pregnancy until she herself is healthy.

http://www.estronaut.com/a/anorexia_and_fertility.htm

We can see in this thread (http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=27861) how women were viewed in ancient times before this tragic trend took hold. Also, we can view early 1900s photographs to gain a clear perspective on this subject in our modern world. Check out these two items for a more accurate example of White female genetics in their natural state.

I discuss this threat to our young White women and to our race more in my New Year's Celtic Rage (http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/2005/VNNB/celragemain.htm) show.
(archive up soon) :)

Why don't you publically repudiate your going on Celtic Rage and having angrily bellowed to VNNer's who "preach to the choir" to "get the fuck off VNN"? Cause that'd include just about everybody on the board. I figure you owe everybody a big apology for that type of behavior.

We all know that Gawd and his kike sonny boy joo on a stick Jeeboo made women particularly attractive in their young years to biologically encourage insemination-- the continuance of The Race. Simpson wrote of this in Which Way Western Man.

Stephanie Seymour (http://www.stephanie-seymour-guzeller.bz.tc/ims/3.jpg) is as skinny as you can get and she gave birth to 2 healthy children years ago without fattening herself up like a pig.

I can recall plenty of fashion models that have given birth.


And another thing Rmac, that 'wide hips' makes a good mother that Ive seen you drop in a couple of threads is old cattle breeding theory, lots of small hip women give birth everyday, you dont need to be cattleman to have kids.

What a beautiful pic, Tench. I hope we don't have a huge hassle, loony Krishton debate about whether it is nasty, Jew pornography or "un-Aryan".

Looks a lot like this country. Regular White girls wherever you go. Same issues all over the western world.

In some of the photos, it could be said that the style of dress is not unfamiliar, but to say Estonia looks like the Kwa is absurd. Where the Baltics and Eastern Europe are different is that they remain more or less pure White, whereas in the Kwa not only are our White numbers shrinking ever more drastically, but every flavor of mystery meat can be found now in even the most remote areas of the Kwa! :eek:

Furthermore, the Baltic peoples as Chain can verify do seem to be jewise to a far, far greater degree than our own White Kwans, many of whom slavishly worship a dead Jew and if Pat Robertson is any indication are devoted to the Jewish nation of Israel! :eek:

So, even to the extent that the Kwa is still "White," in attitude it is so unhealthy that in many respects White Kwans can hardly be regarded as White. Estonia perfect? Nowhere is, but it's all importantly still White and the women are quite beautiful, let's hope they have the resolve over there to see it remains that way...

Stephanie Seymour (http://www.stephanie-seymour-guzeller.bz.tc/ims/3.jpg) is as skinny as you can get and she gave birth to 2 healthy children years ago without fattening herself up like a pig.

I can recall plenty of fashion models that have given birth.


And another thing Rmac, that 'wide hips' makes a good mother that Ive seen you drop in a couple of threads is old cattle breeding theory, lots of small hip women give birth everyday, you dont need to be cattleman to have kids.

Hey Old White Goat (sTench?), how are you? Did you know that sockpuppets (multiple accounts), are not allowed at VNN?

Log on with your correct account please. Also, do some research on fertility drugs.

I'll take flame for this.

These women in Estonia look nice, but the girls I went to school with in Socal were much prettier than these. It was so common to see gorgeous girls while growing up , I thought cosmo and playboy models were average to plain. I can remember seeing girls in Hawaiian Gardens that would put any , and I mean any, playboy model to shame. It's really sad to think that such a place can go so far down , what was once a veritable 'Disneyland' can become a Tijuana Slum.

If a place like Socal , with all its healthy white people, strong industry and fine weather can go down, the rest of the country doesn't have a prayer.

Chain, are any of these photo's taken by you personally ? If they are, how can I tell which are gleened from the internet and which are shot by you ?

Four Jewish assaultees-look and weep, VNNers.

Three more victims of Jewish Weight Watchers thought and body image control worldwide-

Two skinnies and therefore STERILES who can NEVER have White babies!!!! and "Are you man enough to talk to me, White man? Me, a victim of Jewish body image control?"

Three Estonian jooish mind-washed body image sufferers-- "Pitiful...jes' p-i-t-i-f-u-l" -Jed Clampett

Continuance. On good authority, the female to male ratio in this nation is said to be 3.1 to 1. I don't see how, unless the males split to other EU nations to make a buck. Must be that is the case.

Pic #1 is one girl; pics #2 and #3 are a second girl. Or "girl-woman."


3.1:1?!?!?!?

Are you serious or joking?

If serious, that place sounds ripe for a trend in polygamy.

http://www.vnnforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3246

Holy shit, look at the eyes of the one on the phone. :)


They both look like they're ready to jump the bones of the cameraman. ;)

Looks can be deceiving, Attorney Flynn; they are BOTH SKINNY STERILE!

Poor dears. If only they'd gotten some Jimmy Dean sausage before those eggs dried up harder than super glue.
http://vanguardnewsnetwork.com:8000/content/cr548k.pls

This is a spitting image of some American Jew who's ancestors crossed from Poland to Ellis Island. He claims Christian conversion and he goes by the name: Mark, lives in Freiburg, Germany and is married to a German. I'll bet that's him

http://www.kt70.com/~jamesjpn/photos/estonia/Tallin1.jpg

None of those sterile gals for me, pal!!

Quoting the Spinal Tap:

The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'
That's what I said
The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand
Or so I have read

My baby fits me like a flesh tuxedo
I'd like to sink her with my pink torpedo

Big bottom, big bottom
Talk about bum cakes, my girl's got 'em
Big bottom drive me out of my mind
How could I leave this behind?

I met her on Monday, twas my lucky bun day
You know what I mean
I love her each weekday, each velvety cheek day
You know what I mean

My love gun's loaded and she's in my sights
Big game is waiting there inside her tights, yeah

Big bottom, big bottom
Talk about mud flaps, my girl's got 'em
Big bottom drive me out of my mind
How could I leave this behind?

I'd rather have the less of the 2 evils. Namely the version on the right without excess baggage. Who was that granny who always used to always ask. "Where's the beef?"

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b102/beaucoupimages/stuff/z5200145.jpg

Yes, I saw Jim Carrey in "The Mask", KLM.

http://www.moviesnapshot.com/1994Stills/The_Mask.JPG

http://www.movieactors.com/photos703/carrey58.jpeg
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Three more sad and barren waifs-

Are you implying that this would be a fitting avatar for my charachter?

That too, but the Dec 2003 photo above left just reminds me of Jim Carrey "pumped up" in The Mask. It's not a flattering photo of her, even considering her condition.

I'd rather have the less of the 2 evils. Namely the version on the right without excess baggage. Who was that granny who always used to always ask. "Where's the beef?"

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b102/beaucoupimages/stuff/z5200145.jpgGlad you could make it back to VNNF, Kind Lampshade Maker. What happened?

Tench is really Old White Goat?

So, he's back?

Ahh, the classic posters of VNN. :D

Old White Goat sounds funnier than Tench. I'd rather deal with a Goat

This is a spitting image of some American Jew who's ancestors crossed from Poland to Ellis Island. He claims Christian conversion and he goes by the name: Mark, lives in Freiburg, Germany and is married to a German. I'll bet that's himWhoever took that pic must have had spoken to the guy. I'm sure that's him. His wife's name is Renate Probst. She's got long blonde hair and blue eyes. Both are between their middle 50s to early 60s and live in a patchwork family where either both have their own kids in the house or one of them

Two half litres tell me it's time for more girly pix:

Continuing the parade-

Can you tell us more about what the women are like, personality wise in Estonia? :o

We wanna forget Kwa Squaws.

I'll answer your first question in more detail later.

We wanna forget Kwa Squaws."The only thing worse than a sqaw is a squaw man."- Old saying within the Arctic Circle.

Three more:

Here's where we really disagree, first what works for Jews, as in conditions in which they can thrive, may not, and I would argue, are not satisfactory conditions for Aryans to thrive in. Jews don't do well in orderly, homogenous Aryan societies so their natural inclination is to turn them into Kwas, where they do thrive.

I don't see White folk surviving as a minority in a nonwhite majority nation. Are there any examples, other than South Africa and Rhodesia, where btw the White race is on the verge of being racially cleansed, of Whites living and thriving as minorities???

It doesn't work for us, and Amerikwa is the best example of that. We need exclusive White territory in which to thrive as a people and most importantly reproduce our numbers.



You make my point for me, "in fewer numbers--in dangerous and demoralizing conditions..." And let's take another more urgent displacement, that of the mexishit. Look at how they've swept through the southwest and CA, there are no more Whites there for all practical purposes, and for arguments sake I'll include TX in that group. For all practical purposes the American southwest and CA are under Mexican political control by virtue of the demographics. Now, we can argue which came first the chicken or the egg, obviously this invasion was set up with the 1965 Immigration Act, and the relentless brainwashing of our folk, but in the end, it is the surrender of livingspace, in this case without any real fight, that's most damaging. It's linked to the assault on their minds, but blood and soil is the issue at hand, and we simply cannot afford to surrender any more.

Priority one must be the securing of what remains of the "pure" White lands on this planet. If we can't even hold our own territory then it's insanity to even fantasize about retaking anything. Our first major victory is going to be a defensive one, or rather needs to be, we need to draw a line in the sand, metaphorically speaking, most probably in Eastern Europe and Russia, and we need to make it stick. No more colored masses invading precious White land. That's really our objective now. We've got to show ourselves and our enemies we can hold something, we can defend ourselves. So far all we've done is take lethal hits, Stoddard writes very eloquently on the Inner Dikes and the importance of defending exclusive White land.



On what basis are you making that bet? We're a dying people right now, barely reproducing, and that's the crux of it. That has to change, immediately, if we want to salvage ourselves racially. I'm of the opinion that securing and preserving the "pure" White lands is our only hope at this juncture, if we fail there I honestly do believe all hope is lost.

The power of the Kwa is too great, and frankly our people will be unable to resist absorption. A better group of our race, the Ancient Aryans, failed to hold the racial line in India, and that's after having given the issue some thought and devising a rather brilliant, though flawed, caste system. If they couldn't fend off absorption being conscious of it and its dangers, our folk are definitely not going to succeed where they failed. Separation is a must, and if we can't secure that, we've lost. I'm not espousing defeatism, rather what I believe is a realistic assessment of our current situation, and the options we have.


As much as I hate to say it, this is probably correct. I have heretofore been of the mind that we MUST retake the U.S., in order to make any campaigns in Europe viable. This is because the U.S.ZOG military, economic, intelligence juggernaut would be too powerful to defeat, except from within by guerilla means. I still believe this thinking has merit. And the U.S. must be addressed at some point in the equation. But, by the same token, our numbers are few, and how to best field our resources, is an important question. I can see maintenance of a currently White area as paramount to retaking lost territory. I am reading a book entitled "Hitler's Last Bastion" by Franz Kurowski: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0764305484/qid=1136843536/sr=11-1/ref=sr_11_1/002-6682546-5568803?n=283155

From the cover flap:

The final stage of the Second World War, with the enemy across the Reich's borders, saw final desperate battles for numerous "fortified places" and blocking positions. Hitler ordered the defense of these fortified places such as Kšnigsberg and Breslau, Wesel and Kolberg, Danzig, Posen and many others. In these isolated bastions the war-weary German units offered desperate resistance, offered for good purpose. This stubborn holding-on to the last round saved hundreds of thousands of women and children, made possible the evacuation of hospitals and the transport out of surrounded Wehrmacht female auxiliaries. The fates of German soldiers were realized in bunkers and caves, in tunnels and fields of rubble. In the HŸrtgenwald as in the Reichswald, during the crossing of the Rhine between Wesel and Emmerich, in the Remagen bridgehead, on the hill at Keppeln, in the Ruhr pocket, as well as in the east of the Reich in the East Prussian pocket, in Pomerania, in Silesia and in the Reich capital. Shocking scenes of apocalyptic battle were played out wherever Hitler's last bastions held out against the onrushing enemy, whether at the frontiers of the Reich or inside Germany itself.

I have only just begun this book, but it strikes me that Germany sought to hold on to its gains in Europe long after it became clear that the "Allies" were bringing to bear an irresistable force, and by trying to hold onto all of Europe, our forces were spread too thin, whereas, a timely and strategic retreat, perhaps to Germany's borders, or some other slightly enlarged, but defensible buffer zone, might have been sufficiently sustainable to prevent our people's complete defeat at the hands of the Jews of the US/UK/USSR cabal. Of course, hindsight is 20/20, and perhaps Hitler felt, understandably, an obligation to those non-German Whites he liberated, to keep them from falling into the hands of the Jews. But as it followed, it was mainly the Germans who were truly victimized by enemy occupation.

As much as I hate to say it, this is probably correct. I have heretofore been of the mind that we MUST retake the U.S., in order to make any campaigns in Europe viable. This is because the U.S.ZOG military, economic, intelligence juggernaut would be too powerful to defeat, except from within by guerilla means. I still believe this thinking has merit. And the U.S. must be addressed at some point in the equation. But, by the same token, our numbers are few, and how to best field our resources, is an important question. I can see maintenance of a currently White area as paramount to retaking lost territory. I am reading a book entitled "Hitler's Last Bastion" by Franz Kurowski: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0764305484/qid=1136843536/sr=11-1/ref=sr_11_1/002-6682546-5568803?n=283155

From the cover flap:

I have only just begun this book, but it strikes me that Germany sought to hold on to its gains in Europe long after it became clear that the "Allies" were bringing to bear an irresistable force, and by trying to hold onto all of Europe, our forces were spread too thin, whereas, a timely and strategic retreat, perhaps to Germany's borders, or some other slightly enlarged, but defensible buffer zone, might have been sufficiently sustainable to prevent our people's complete defeat at the hands of the Jews of the US/UK/USSR cabal. Of course, hindsight is 20/20, and perhaps Hitler felt, understandably, an obligation to those non-German Whites he liberated, to keep them from falling into the hands of the Jews. But as it followed, it was mainly the Germans who were truly victimized by enemy occupation.

This is good discussion for us to have as WNists, because while it doesn't bring me happiness to write off North America, retaking what the land has become, a Kwa, seems very doubtful at best.

I believe the Chicoms are going to bring the Kwa to heel, economically first, and then militarily. Depending on how recalcitrant the Jewish cabal is will determine if that ultimately results in a nuclear battle, which the Chinese are in good racial position to wage given their population numbers, and btw, I doubt the current leaders think that much differently than Mao, who even scared Kruschev with his (Mao's) cavalier attitude towards nuclear war. But that's another discussion...

The reality in front of us now is whether we as a race will hold anywhere. Frankly, it's easier to hold what we have left then it will be to retake the planet. And once we have nowhere to regroup and reproduce racially, then it's hard to see how Whites will continue as a racial group. We've got to pick our ground now, defend it at all cost, even if the defense seems more costly in proportion to the land being defended, we need to understand that unless we establish our racial presence and connection to the land for the Jew and the nonwhite world, they will continue running over us and driving our numbers down ever further. And staking out a position on the globe and holding is going to be no easy task, but I submit that if we cannot even do that, why then do we delude ourselves thinking we'll retake anything? We haven't retaken anything yet, not to mention more importantly we haven't managed to hold onto anything yet!

Whitefist said-
We haven't retaken anything yet, not to mention more importantly we haven't managed to hold onto anything yet!Hold onto your horses; the loons-on-the-lake Krishtons haven't even gotten their dander up yet.

Why didn't Klassen go and take some jews with him? He was an intelligent man. I imagine he could have created quite the scene, but he didn't. Just slunk into his hole pretending it was honourable to do so without dragging some of his race's enemies with him.

I am beginning to have very little time for rational men. Reasoning is not going to get us out of this. Reasoning is always a sign of decay, something smelly and unwholesome. Reasoning is something you want your enemy to do as you break down the gate of their citadel. Reasoning is the blindfold you place on those you intend to execute.

Is it unreasonable for someone to believe in the great Jeeboo while fighting for their race? I hope so. I hope that it is as unreasonable as it possibly can be. That means faith. That means will. Without those two you're left with that sorry limp, cripple, reason.

Make your enemies have to be reasonable. That is the only excuse for it at this time. As for your friends, shore up their faith and will.

Despite the new additions I still think this girl is the bomb:

http://www.vnnforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3254

http://www.vnnforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3253

yet more photos-

again still-

three again-

continuing with three-

three again-

pics of the girls-

Can you get somemore of those skimpies? The barrel-chest stretch on high heels isn't something for breakfast viewing.
Keep in mind, though. Just because these people share white skin and blonde hair, doesn't mean one can't run into hefty culture clashes. Get to know the girl very well, before starting a family

...Just wanted to see what the men folk looked like.Let's pretend I'm Estonian ;)

Can you get somemore of those skimpies? The barrel-chest stretch on high heels isn't something for breakfast viewing.
Keep in mind, though. Just because these people share white skin and blonde hair, doesn't mean one can't run into hefty culture clashes. Get to know the girl very well, before starting a familyI get more culture crud from Kwa feminists.

Hey Jeebo,
Diane Deutsch has a vivid imagination, regarding where to stick those canes.
Are those lambs to be consumed or only meant to be kept as house pets?

two again-

Great thread, I will need to spend a few hours one day looking at ALL the pics.

I'm always suspicious of websites/agencies, etc. that purport to allow you to connect with women like this. I just assume I'm going to be taken or ripped off somehow...


AM

I'm even less trusting of the women trying to connect from those agencies

I'm even less trusting of the women trying to connect from those agenciesNone of these are "agency" women, gents. Just local girls.

None of these are "agency" women, gents. Just local girls.


Craig:

Are you the one who takes these pictures, or do you get them from someplace? If so, how do you get all these hot chicks to pose for pics?

No. They are from a singles site.

Byron is holding a considerable amount of digital video of girls I have shot-- street scenes etc., between 3 and 4 hours of tape, but has been a bit busy to edit it yet.

Also, in trying to lay in more photos today, the vbulletin software says I have "met my quota" of image attachments. I wrote Geoff Beck about it, but Geoff PMed me back saying he isn't in charge of the vbulletin settings. Whoever is, (and somebody surely is) it's a mystery to me now. Also can't log out. Maybe "they" are worried I'll have sock puppets, something I've never done save my original No 1965 Chain Immigrants VNN handle which was "allowably" lost during Tom Martin's time when Tom wasn't contactable for a few days.

Hey Chain,
Can you show us around town? Would like to see how the place looks. Here's a photo I presume is that of the town center of Riga. It is a Hanseatic city which is commented on as being the Copenhagen of the Baltics:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/Tuerkenjaeger/Riga.jpg

estonians are more depigmented nation on the earth with finns also

I am locked out of putting attachments onto this thread, apparently by the current vbulletin admin who IS NOT Geoff Beck. Geoff advised me by PM that he DOES NOT click vbulletin controls; he only runs the server.

No. They are from a singles site.

Byron is holding a considerable amount of digital video of girls I have shot-- street scenes etc., between 3 and 4 hours of tape, but has been a bit busy to edit it yet.

Also, in trying to lay in more photos today, the vbulletin software says I have "met my quota" of image attachments. I wrote Geoff Beck about it, but Geoff PMed me back saying he isn't in charge of the vbulletin settings. Whoever is, (and somebody surely is) it's a mystery to me now. Also can't log out. Maybe "they" are worried I'll have sock puppets, something I've never done save my original No 1965 Chain Immigrants VNN handle which was "allowably" lost during Tom Martin's time when Tom wasn't contactable for a few days.


Craig:

I ran into that as well some time ago, when I was demoderated. Moderators can have up to some huge amount (in megabytes) of files attached to posts. When I went to being just a "Senior Member" I was instantly beyond my attachment limit because I had attached huge PDFs to the Lefkow investigative thread, and other threads. In order to be able to add another attachment, I had to go into my attachments and delete a bunch of them. You've posted a hefty amount of pics in this thread, and I was actually wondering the other day if you weren't getting close to your attachment limit by now.

I am locked out of putting attachments onto this thread, apparently by the current vbulletin admin who IS NOT Geoff Beck. Geoff advised me by PM that he DOES NOT click vbulletin controls; he only runs the server.


Roger was in charge of that when he was an administrator. I think AE has the level of access to deal with that, but I've never heard him talk about using the vbulletin stuff.

Stan hadn't explained that to me. Glad you know it, Attorney Flynn.

When I was a mod, I used to get 500 PM's too. That was not a mod revision, cause I was a mod for well over a year before I had that function.

Stan hadn't explained that to me. Glad you know it, Attorney Flynn.

When I was a mod, I used to get 500 PM's too. That was not a mod revision, cause I was a mod for well over a year before I had that function.

Sometime last year, I think, Roger somehow upped the number of PMs, amount of attchments, etc. But it's drastically more for mods, etc. I also had to delete a bunch of PMs, because of the lower 100 PM limit. As it is, I'm not even sure anymore who to ask about this stuff. I used to just give Roger a quick call if I had any technical questions.

.....I think AE has the level of access to deal with that, but I've never heard him talk about using the vbulletin stuff.

I will see if we can figure out some of this stuff, as you know I am completely disinclined to learn technical things.

Craig:

I ran into that as well some time ago, when I was demoderated. Moderators can have up to some huge amount (in megabytes) of files attached to posts. When I went to being just a "Senior Member" I was instantly beyond my attachment limit because I had attached huge PDFs to the Lefkow investigative thread, and other threads. In order to be able to add another attachment, I had to go into my attachments and delete a bunch of them. You've posted a hefty amount of pics in this thread, and I was actually wondering the other day if you weren't getting close to your attachment limit by now.


That's actually a pretty significant casualty due to these limits. All of the Lefkow docket sheets and other PDFs I posted to the Lefkow thread are no longer there, because of these limits. I think the PMs and attachments should be upped for some of us. There is no reason that some jerkoff like that cunt Lisa should be able to walk in here and post 500 posts real quick and suddenly have the same attachment and PM limit. Maybe there should be a senior-senior level for the purpose of these limitations. We only get 1000 KB now for attachments, and a decent sized PDF could easily exceed that.

That's actually a pretty significant casualty due to these limits. All of the Lefkow docket sheets and other PDFs I posted to the Lefkow thread are no longer there, because of these limits. I think the PMs and attachments should be upped for some of us. There is no reason that some jerkoff like that cunt Lisa should be able to walk in here and post 500 posts real quick and suddenly have the same attachment and PM limit. Maybe there should be a senior-senior level for the purpose of these limitations. We only get 1000 KB now for attachments, and a decent sized PDF could easily exceed that.

Perhaps you are right John I will bookmark this for attention.

That's actually a pretty significant casualty due to these limits. All of the Lefkow docket sheets and other PDFs I posted to the Lefkow thread are no longer there, because of these limits. I think the PMs and attachments should be upped for some of us. There is no reason that some jerkoff like that cunt Lisa should be able to walk in here and post 500 posts real quick and suddenly have the same attachment and PM limit. Maybe there should be a senior-senior level for the purpose of these limitations. We only get 1000 KB now for attachments, and a decent sized PDF could easily exceed that.


It possibly doesn't matter, since the Lefkow thread went the way of the rest of "This Just In"

This is the guy's home page:
http://www.markjacobs.org/index.html

Found some more on Google...
http://www.kt70.com/~jamesjpn/photos/estonia/Tallin1.jpg
Looks like Jew porno king...

This is the guy's home page:
http://www.markjacobs.org/index.html


More than half of the web page is spent outlining the 101 ways you can send that kike money. :rolleyes:

Look at this:

http://www.markjacobs.org/givefruit.jpg
"Giving Oranges to Orphans"

Unfuckingbelievable!

This kike doubtless takes in thousands of dollars a month from the gullible goyim, and the best he can show is handing out oranges, probably only two, as that's all that's in the picture. I think I also saw where a sickly looking kid was putting on a pair of shoes, and the caption claimed that he had given shoes away to orphans too.

http://www.markjacobs.org/gabeteachart.jpg

Somebody "teaches art" to allegedly handicapped students who happen to appear able bodied. Future Israeli "art students"?!? You be the judge!


http://www.markjacobs.org/wheelchair.jpg

Kike appropriates photo of some people unloading a wheelchair from a van. Remember folks, this is supposed to be "evidence" of the kike's charitable activities.


http://www.markjacobs.org/diabetesmachine.jpg

Someone allegedly gives a blood sugar meter to a "diabetic child." Probably the fat kike developed Type II diabetes, ordered a blood sugar monitor and thought it was a good opportunity for a photo op, and grabbed the nearest kid.

http://www.kt70.com/~jamesjpn/photos/estonia/Tallin1.jpg

I wonder how long it was before that girl was shipped to a Tel Aviv brothel? I mean, the kike's gotta have a side business! :box:

http://storage2.dating.lt/photos/1/dfi/65/654adfilsm/654adfilsm_2_dd16f9af3ee4ce93cb17b877d49d7d54.jpg

http://storage2.dating.lt/photos/1/dfi/65/654adfilsm/654adfilsm_1_903403c825c6f40c32ea3abe61a7ea14.jpg

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Different woman-

http://storage2.dating.lt/photos/1/dfi/64/64ejdfi64w/64ejdfi64w_1_0ebe0e5d8dff8fee6635c3beae3db548.jpg

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http://storage2.dating.lt/photos/1/dfi/66/669idfiin2/669idfiin2_2_8784678078ccb61510c4c4f78b84f36d.jpg
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http://storage2.dating.lt/photos/1/dfi/66/66jedfij5o/66jedfij5o_1_7c4787cf7c5112da514c53e0260da789.jpg

Whoa! She's a bit of alright now isn't she.
http://storage2.dating.lt/photos/1/dfi/65/654adfilsm/654adfilsm_2_dd16f9af3ee4ce93cb17b877d49d7d54.jpg

My thought exactly. Thirty-five, Augustus Sutter. 5'4". Doesn't speak English (I bet she knows a little) but speaks Russian and Estonian. Soviet era learner; would have been 20 in '91 when they got free. She must remember those Soviet hard times. Probably built character.

http://storage2.dating.lt/photos/1/dfi/65/654adfilsm/654adfilsm_2_dd16f9af3ee4ce93cb17b877d49d7d54.jpg

This chick is 35? I am so going to Estonia.

I was thinking more like 25 myself. Most american women look 50 by the time they reach 35. It must be the bad diet and Oprah Winfrie.

Her bio does say 35. I am sorry. I refuse to link, for my own selfish reasons. However, I have been wondering if maybe she has plugged in an old photo for old times' sake.

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3686From an Estonian site-some additions-enjoy

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