Yggdrasil and the Cross

There is an amazing parallel between Odinism and Christianity which I believe in either faith owes nothing to the other. It is that Odin and Christ both suffered torture on a tree. In the northern European tradition that tree is Yggdrasil, the ever-living tree that supports the cosmos. In Christianity it was a dead tree, a man-made instrument of public execution, the cross.

The similarities go beyond appearances, for both events are seen as god sacrificing himself to himself. Like all primitives, the ancient Germans and Hebrews laid great importance on making sacrifices to their gods. For our forefathers, however, propitiation of sins was never a reason for sacrifice. Prosperity, luck, victory, the gaining of knowledge are all likely motives of religious sacrifices in Odinism. However, there are no sources indicating the practice of penitential sacrifices amongst the Germans comparable to the Judeo-Christian tradition.

From this distinction arise all the other dissimilarities in the significance of these sacrificial events which far outweigh similarities of form.

Odin is the god of wisdom and his sacrifice was to gain knowledge, in particular the secrets of the runes. Through knowledge he increases his power and through his victory mankind benefits too. Christ's sacrifice was to save men from their sins. In other words, the sacrifice of the cross was a penitential one. Christ's sacrifice is explained as a mystery, something that surpasses human knowledge and understanding. Odin's sacrifice is more mysterious in the sense that it opens the doorways of the imagination and induces us to believe that there is often more to things than meets the eye.

From a rational point of view bath stories sound puzzling. Why would the attainment of knowledge obtained through hanging from a tree? Why should salvation from sin be the result? For that matter why should anybody need to be saved from sin?

The Odinist logic falls into place when Odin's ordeal is seen in the context of historic shamanism. The approach of death is known to bring clearer knowledge and awareness, and it was used in the past as a means of expanding the mind. In states of pain, exhaustion and approaching death inner discoveries have been made. Things fell into place for Odin in the shape of runes, which would ensure victory over the evil forces of chaos. The experiences and attainments of shamans, fakirs and the like should be viewed as a valid, rational subject of research.
Christ's sacrifice can only be understood in terms of the old Hebrew temple sacrifices and in the context of the Christians' complicated views of salvation, and their doctrines of salvation, as well rehearsed as they are, can only be understood in terms of 'transference of guilt'.
Thus, Eve tempted Adam and guilt was transferred to Adam. Adam fell and guilt was then transferred to all living men and women. Guilt was transferred to the scapegoat and the Jews were let off. Man can transfer his guilt to Christ through the cross and will be let off too. Guilt is here seen as something concrete.

Yet wouldn't even the most timid stand up for himself in a court of law and say he will be judged on his own merits and not take the blame for something someone else did? It is this odd concept of guilt being transferred from one person to another that seems so puzzling and absurd.
The Christians' problem is that monotheism dictates that god must be perfectly just and perfectly merciful all the time, which is where the absurdity creeps in. Now, most of us have our moments of justice, such as when we punch an assailant on the nose, and of mercy, such as when we do not do so. Rarely, however, would we claim to be acting perfectly justly or with absolute mercy. When we are merciful to an assailant twice our size we are not being perfectly merciful. Never, though, do we claim to be combining perfect mercy and absolute justice at one and the same time, because it would be untrue.

Moreover, from a northern European and an English point of view the Christian god's justice is tainted with barbarity. The excesses of god's damning wrath indicate a severity which excludes mutual sympathy. Thus his mercy in saving a few elect, or in sacrificing his son, seem mediocre or dubious mercies. And his justice in making Adam and Eve's life a misery, just because of a spot of youthful rebelliousness or in demanding the death of an innocent victim to pay for the crimes of others, is to say the least a case of going to extremes, being bound up in a complex of guilt transference.

One should not, however, be surprised at this differing attitude of justice. The ancient Germans had their laws and the Hebrews had theirs. We should not expect a foreign religion to embrace our idea of justice when theirs may have been a valid response to their own historical experiences. But we must take objection when Christian doctrine tries to pass off these weaknesses as the attributes of a perfect god.

Odin is not a perfect god and we can be more honest than the Christians. Odin is the self-sacrificing god who grows in stature when he discovers the runes. The biblical god is perfect and cannot change. He is an unnatural god because he cannot grow. His sacrifice is to satisfy an incomprehensible, outlandish and untenable code of justice. Odin's sacrifice could almost be said to be the act that won him godhead.

Christ's sacrifice is seen as making amends for Adam s sin of eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge. Odin would have eaten the fruit, too, because his supreme aim was to gain knowledge. Through his victorious sacrifice man too can glimpse the divine mysteries.

©2003 The Odinic Rite

Great post Stranger...very well written and enjoyable. I agree with all of it. I have had a fascination and love of our ancestral spiritualism and this question is one that has nagged at the back of my head constantly. I have always just chalked in up to scandalous rewritings of the true words of the eddas. Afterall Snorri wrote the Eddas in the 12th century..right. I believe that was the century. Sweden was very christianized by then obviously. There are many correlations between The Eddas and Christianity..just as there are many similarities between all mythologies. If I had more time I would write more...but alas..I am off.

I have never come across such notions of guilt...there was never any reasons for our clans to experience guilt on these levels. Guilt is a tool used by the weak to suck sympathy out of their hosts..a parasitic entity. How more parasitic can we get than the sheenies and the christian corp.? Our ancestors believed in standing up for themselves and hold themse;ves accountable for their own actions. Jews know nothing of this virtue for it is instinctive to us and a Race. True guilt is of course ievitable and natural..but the guilt we discuss here is foreign and as decrepit as the parasites we discuss here.

We never needed guilt transference as a people because it is an alien tool, and hence we never needed xtianity (Guilt Transference 101 For Gentiles) for this particular aspect. Alien notions such as these have become such a problem for us that our survival is now at stake.

Good post! Notice too: A religion that starts with "forgiveness" as its core doctrine for its "sheep" might be thinking in terms of what happens if they bungle the fleecing.

European religions belonged to the volk, it grew out of and gave meaning to their values. They had no more need of guilt than they had of grovelling in the dirt before false gods. On your feet white man! Anything that wants you on your knees is false.

Good post! Notice too: A religion that starts with "forgiveness" as its core doctrine for its "sheep" might be thinking in terms of what happens if they bungle the fleecing.

European religions belonged to the volk, it grew out of and gave meaning to their values. They had no more need of guilt than they had of grovelling in the dirt before false gods. On your feet white man! Anything that wants you on your knees is false.



Exactly....our spirituality was a direct branch from the tree that is our most innate feelings and emotions. They were not contrived or invented...the were instinctual. There is nothing about christianity that is instinctual. There is nothing about christianity that sooths my soul and speaks to my heart. It is unnatural and vile and foreign to our beings as Aryans! I have never felt guilt in my life except when I let my wife down. I have done alot of things in my life that can be construed as wrong.......but instead of feeling guilty I just dealt with it and tried to correct it. The guilt complex comes from a weaker man's wish to project his responsibility onto others.

Wow. Chuckies come here, too.

Right. When you are first introduced to the xtian religion one of the key components taught is that we are all born into sin and vile in the eyes of God. This is reinforcement of guilt right at the start. This is psychological rot setting in at the beginning.

But, beyond the xtians, the jews have mastered this guilt imposing. White guilt is commonplace in Western Civilization and jew propoganda has reinforced it. We have absolutely nothing as Whites to be ashamed or guilty about. The judeo-xtian, lying kike and the rest of the commie filth can piss off and die.

But try getting them to understand that.

Jews, lacking their Christ, transfer their guilt onto Gentiles. This is an alien practice of both the jew and xtian, to transfer guilt. The jew to the Gentile, the xtian to the Christ. Is there any notion of guilt transference in pre-xtian Germanic culture? If not, this is evidence that xtianity is alien to us and not at all native.

Here you go: WERGELD. Look it up. "transfering guilt?" how about "redemption." Do you know what "redeeming" a savings bond or stock or security means? Taking it back and exchanging it for money. Trading a promise for value.

Look that word up, "wergeld" and let me know if you see what I mean, or if I'm just full of shit.

Whites would not need a guilt transfer if christianity did not frist create a guilt complex into it's followers.
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Guilt is nothing but a control mechism. Like most fear. A old saying is wrap yourself in the cloak of your enemies superstion.

Jews didnt create "guilt." The ancient Egyptians, who were NOT african but also had built a complex civilization long before those tribes calling themselves Aryan poured out of central asia into Europe-- had the myth of Osiris weighing the guilt of souls at judgment day.

Fucking jews didnt even create monotheistic God. Read up on Savitri Devi's writings on Akenaton. More like, when they got their asses thrown out of Egypt for typical Jew shenanigans, some of them brought the idea of monotheism with them and pretty late in the history of "Israel" brought Yahweh up to the level of a solitary god, instead of one among many "baals."

oh yes, guilt is a control mechanism. It exists whether you like it or not. Failing to control it with religion, and handing the playing field of religion over to the Jews, is giving up one of the best damn tools we could have at our disposal. Can you say: "shooting myself in the foot." How about: "cutting off my nose to spite my face."

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Lies and guilt is the tool of jews and commies. Our tools as always have been honor and truth.

It isn't tactically smart to play on the enemy's field in an arena of lies and guilt. Get rid of it all. Pull our people onto our turf with our own honor and truth.

Are we so far detached from the old ways that we have completely forgotten what it is to be White men and only have the way of the jew as our example? Go away. Where have the Aryans gone?

I didnt say lie. But I'm not a believer in any bullshit categorical imperatives, I'll tell you that. People need religion and you either have a hand in it, or you let wicked people take it over. Strong virtuous men must have a hand in religion or it becomes something disgusting such as we see in the 'Kwa today.

I'm willing to do what it takes to win. Do you consider winning un-Aryan?

As I was not born in sin and such. And I do not commit the abstract thing called sin. I have no need for a horsed whipped creeping, stickpimp called jewsus. With Morals it comes down most of the time to point of view.

There's much confusion between morality and religion, but that's another debate. It's a source of much confusion to everyone, and much abuse by Christoids who suggest only Christians have a concern for morality. I disagree. I think morality and its emotional attendant, guilt, nearly universal concerns.

Religion has a nexus with morality but is not equivalent. I'd explain that nexus but I have to split. Talk to ya later!

Nexus presumes an intersection. While religion may occasionally parallel morality, at no time does it intersect and become morality.

Thats all cute .....
And you told me to become a jew if I wanted a total racist religion for the race. And know your sticking up for the jewish tactics intresting.

Judism is a strictly ethnic religion. They allow conversion in name only. To convert you have to cut the best part of your wank off. Who the hell would voluntarily do that. In other words, they dont want conversion.

They discourage exogamy. That's a fact. They encourage endogamy, that's a fact.

They have some quirky rules like the mom's a jew youre a jew, dads a jew only you're not. Whatever, it's still an ancestry group.

Religious Jews and non-religious Jews still stick together-- on the basis of shared ancestry.

The only Jew who gets shown the door is one who whole heartedly embraces Christianity. So there are two parts to being a Jew: a) Jew ancestry, and b) Denying Christ. It has an ethnic and a religious component, and I would contend, the one is indispensible from the other. Hell, Jews for the past 2000 years have defined themselves by their adamant resistance to Christianity. Only in the past 50 have they had a complete pass from Christians en masse due to the lie of the Holohoax, their ersatz religion for Jew-loving goyim. They have substituted Auschwitz for Golgotha, The Jew race for Christ Incarnate, and the birth of the State of Israel for the resurrection. Heresy is now "holocaust denial."

How do you expect to fight them without addressing this? How do your insults and obscenties do anything to neutralize the Jew? I dont doubt your sincerity although I doubt your tactics will achieve anything significant.

I think it boils down to this. The masses of Eurofolk need religion. Either we supply it or the Jew does. You dont like the evils of modern so-called Christianity, I totally sympathize. Then study what it is and figure out where it is good and where it is bad and what to do to change it. A person with as much energy as you might have some good ideas if you channeled the energy into thought and study and writing instead of one line obscenities.

Tactics look threw my past ...... I hear Evola has some good wholesome anti christian works too.

You do not need a evil religion like chrisitaniy to be spritaul person. Cuntyianity is the evil that hid as light.

If we are going to surive as a race we must rip out all things alien. It might have to be a Pol Pot like style of doing it who knows.

Agreed that you dont need Christianity to be a spiritual person. Zen is an example of an "atheist religion" worth considering and Evola explored this at length in the book "Doctrine of Awakening.

What you and for that matter most antis call Christianity is from my perspective a degenerate mishmash I prefer to call Protestantism. I am coming more and more to that conclusion as this debate progresses. However to the extent the Catholic Church is kow-towing to Jews since Vat 2 there is no doubt there has been a serious decline there as well.

However, as for a Pol Pot style anything, count me out. If you think we'd have to whack 1 fifth of our own population to straighten things out, you're going off the deep end.

The Dr.'s prescription may be hard to swallow, but it's the only cure. The best we can hope for is that nature does alot of the work.