X1965ChainImmigrants
December 7th, 2003, 05:23 PM
This is old (2001), yet still quite useful to us in our everyday encounters.
Too bad there are not "Jared Taylor's tips on how to debate the jew question". We'll have to rely on Alex Linder for those.
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http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b03d3745824.htm
Some ideas on how to debate the race question.
by Jared Taylor
For more than ten years I have been an open advocate of racial consciousness for whites. During that period, in hundreds of radio interviews and dozens of television appearances, I have debated people who defend current racial platitudes. In this process, I have come across a number of effective arguments, and several to which there appear to be no effective replies. Readers of AR may find some of these arguments useful.
Our society is filled with debates, whether over the air, in print, in classrooms, or in private conversation. These debates are what establish the "opinions" of the vast majority of Americans who do not have ideas of their own. Most people absorb what they hear around them and are most likely to absorb what they hear most often. Americans encounter dissident views on race so infrequently they will not be persuaded through simple repetition. A defense of white racial consciousness must therefore be clear, even arresting, in order to have an effect.
"Racism"
Unfortunately, the other side has, until recently, so dominated the debate and so grossly misrepresented our views that anyone who departs from racial orthodoxy will at some point have to contend with the charge of "racism." "That’s a racist statement," your opponent will say, in a tone that suggests he has just dropped a nuclear bomb, and for timid people—about 95 percent of whites— that ends the argument. The "racist" apologizes, back-peddles, and shrivels into silence. You, of course, are not going to do that, but the whole "racism" issue means you must defend against an accusation, and gets in the way of making positive arguments. Some racial advocates try to put opponents on the defensive by asking them to define "racism," but this is a bad mistake. First, it gives your opponent the floor, whereas you should be using the time to make your own points, not letting him explain why you are a bad person. Second, you will not get a definition. You will get a long list of things like slavery, segregation, apartheid, genocide of the Indians, colonialism, Jim Crow, etc., followed by, "That’s what racism is." If it is a public debate and your opponent is trying to prove his virtue by being nasty to you, he may add,"and it was racists like you who did those things."
The fact that the "racism" accusation is usually so effective is actually an advantage for us, because the people who make it have probably never seen it fail. You therefore have an opportunity to shock them by walking away from ground zero without a scratch. If you are in a radio debate, or some other forum in which you need to save time, deflect the "racism" charge in a light-hearted way by saying, "Come on, say something original." No one ever expects that reply, and during the surprised pause that follows you can make a positive rather than defensive argument. If the "racism" argument comes up again—and often it won’t—or if you want to go on the attack, you might say: "Don’t you realize that you’re not making an argument any more? When you call me a ‘racist,’ all you’re doing is calling me names. Of course, when you’re reduced to name-calling it’s the most graceless way of admitting you’ve lost the argument." If someone calls you a "racist," he has completely shifted his ground and isn’t dealing with facts or logic anymore. He is saying "You’re bad!", which is pure emotion. Prof. Michael Levin, author of Why Race Matters, says this kind of childish outburst makes no more sense than calling someone a "poopoohead." Grownups do it only because it works, and it works only because so many whites are invertebrates.
The silliness of the "racism" charge is especially clear if you are talking about racial differences in IQ. Just point out that the only legitimate issue is how to interpret the evidence. Your conclusions are either right or wrong. If someone stops trying to explain why you are wrong and instead starts calling you names, it’s a sure sign he can’t explain why you are wrong—which is because you are right.
A somewhat milder way to make the same point is to evoke a more innocuous racial difference, especially one favorable to blacks. Point out that many researchers think blacks have more inherent athletic ability than whites. This is a scientific question of interpreting the evidence, and is just like evaluating the evidence for IQ differences. Is it "racist" to conclude that blacks are better athletes than whites? Once again, anyone who accuses you of racism is no longer thinking logically and is making an emotional, ad hominem appeal out of desperation. Likewise, in the context of any discussion of race and IQ, it disarms the opposition to point out that the very same evidence for higher white than black IQ suggests north Asians have higher IQs than whites. It is an odd form of "racism" to reach conclusions unfavorable to whites.
Accusations of "white supremacy" are less common than "racism," but are easy to defeat. There is no harm in becoming indignant. "White supremacy is the desire to be supreme, to rule over others, to oppress them," you say. "Not a thing I have ever said so much as hints at that. This is nothing more than ignorant name-calling." Occasionally someone will call you a "white separatist." This is a somewhat less emotion-laden term, but to many people it still implies forcible separation with fire hoses and snarling police dogs. I find the best reply is, "I believe in complete freedom of association." This turns an accusation into an opportunity to make a positive point.
The Fairness Doctrine
Undoubtedly the greatest threat to whites today comes from immigration. Racial preferences, guilt-mongering, anti-Western education, even anti-white violence are manageable problems compared to a process that is displacing whites and reducing them to a minority. With a change in thinking at the right levels, anti-white policies and double standards could be done away with practically overnight, but that would still leave us with nearly 100 million nonwhites living in the country. Demographic displacement would be difficult to reverse even with a radical change in popular thinking. In their bones, whites know this. They are profoundly disturbed by the thought that their grandchildren could be racial minorities in a largely black-and-Hispanic America. Therefore, I find that one of the most effective and important points we can make is that this is not inevitable, and that we have every right to oppose an immigration policy that hastens this process.
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http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b03d3745824.htm
Too bad there are not "Jared Taylor's tips on how to debate the jew question". We'll have to rely on Alex Linder for those.
===============
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b03d3745824.htm
Some ideas on how to debate the race question.
by Jared Taylor
For more than ten years I have been an open advocate of racial consciousness for whites. During that period, in hundreds of radio interviews and dozens of television appearances, I have debated people who defend current racial platitudes. In this process, I have come across a number of effective arguments, and several to which there appear to be no effective replies. Readers of AR may find some of these arguments useful.
Our society is filled with debates, whether over the air, in print, in classrooms, or in private conversation. These debates are what establish the "opinions" of the vast majority of Americans who do not have ideas of their own. Most people absorb what they hear around them and are most likely to absorb what they hear most often. Americans encounter dissident views on race so infrequently they will not be persuaded through simple repetition. A defense of white racial consciousness must therefore be clear, even arresting, in order to have an effect.
"Racism"
Unfortunately, the other side has, until recently, so dominated the debate and so grossly misrepresented our views that anyone who departs from racial orthodoxy will at some point have to contend with the charge of "racism." "That’s a racist statement," your opponent will say, in a tone that suggests he has just dropped a nuclear bomb, and for timid people—about 95 percent of whites— that ends the argument. The "racist" apologizes, back-peddles, and shrivels into silence. You, of course, are not going to do that, but the whole "racism" issue means you must defend against an accusation, and gets in the way of making positive arguments. Some racial advocates try to put opponents on the defensive by asking them to define "racism," but this is a bad mistake. First, it gives your opponent the floor, whereas you should be using the time to make your own points, not letting him explain why you are a bad person. Second, you will not get a definition. You will get a long list of things like slavery, segregation, apartheid, genocide of the Indians, colonialism, Jim Crow, etc., followed by, "That’s what racism is." If it is a public debate and your opponent is trying to prove his virtue by being nasty to you, he may add,"and it was racists like you who did those things."
The fact that the "racism" accusation is usually so effective is actually an advantage for us, because the people who make it have probably never seen it fail. You therefore have an opportunity to shock them by walking away from ground zero without a scratch. If you are in a radio debate, or some other forum in which you need to save time, deflect the "racism" charge in a light-hearted way by saying, "Come on, say something original." No one ever expects that reply, and during the surprised pause that follows you can make a positive rather than defensive argument. If the "racism" argument comes up again—and often it won’t—or if you want to go on the attack, you might say: "Don’t you realize that you’re not making an argument any more? When you call me a ‘racist,’ all you’re doing is calling me names. Of course, when you’re reduced to name-calling it’s the most graceless way of admitting you’ve lost the argument." If someone calls you a "racist," he has completely shifted his ground and isn’t dealing with facts or logic anymore. He is saying "You’re bad!", which is pure emotion. Prof. Michael Levin, author of Why Race Matters, says this kind of childish outburst makes no more sense than calling someone a "poopoohead." Grownups do it only because it works, and it works only because so many whites are invertebrates.
The silliness of the "racism" charge is especially clear if you are talking about racial differences in IQ. Just point out that the only legitimate issue is how to interpret the evidence. Your conclusions are either right or wrong. If someone stops trying to explain why you are wrong and instead starts calling you names, it’s a sure sign he can’t explain why you are wrong—which is because you are right.
A somewhat milder way to make the same point is to evoke a more innocuous racial difference, especially one favorable to blacks. Point out that many researchers think blacks have more inherent athletic ability than whites. This is a scientific question of interpreting the evidence, and is just like evaluating the evidence for IQ differences. Is it "racist" to conclude that blacks are better athletes than whites? Once again, anyone who accuses you of racism is no longer thinking logically and is making an emotional, ad hominem appeal out of desperation. Likewise, in the context of any discussion of race and IQ, it disarms the opposition to point out that the very same evidence for higher white than black IQ suggests north Asians have higher IQs than whites. It is an odd form of "racism" to reach conclusions unfavorable to whites.
Accusations of "white supremacy" are less common than "racism," but are easy to defeat. There is no harm in becoming indignant. "White supremacy is the desire to be supreme, to rule over others, to oppress them," you say. "Not a thing I have ever said so much as hints at that. This is nothing more than ignorant name-calling." Occasionally someone will call you a "white separatist." This is a somewhat less emotion-laden term, but to many people it still implies forcible separation with fire hoses and snarling police dogs. I find the best reply is, "I believe in complete freedom of association." This turns an accusation into an opportunity to make a positive point.
The Fairness Doctrine
Undoubtedly the greatest threat to whites today comes from immigration. Racial preferences, guilt-mongering, anti-Western education, even anti-white violence are manageable problems compared to a process that is displacing whites and reducing them to a minority. With a change in thinking at the right levels, anti-white policies and double standards could be done away with practically overnight, but that would still leave us with nearly 100 million nonwhites living in the country. Demographic displacement would be difficult to reverse even with a radical change in popular thinking. In their bones, whites know this. They are profoundly disturbed by the thought that their grandchildren could be racial minorities in a largely black-and-Hispanic America. Therefore, I find that one of the most effective and important points we can make is that this is not inevitable, and that we have every right to oppose an immigration policy that hastens this process.
...Continued at site-
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b03d3745824.htm