Map of african controlled spain in the year 711.

Notice up in the top middle area is the little slice that remains of the German Visigoth kingdom.

324 years later, things still remain the same.

1035 to 1331 the Visigoth Kingdom is gone.

Then around 1334 to 1402 "New Catile" is born?

Early in the eighth century Moorish soldiers crossed over from Africa to the Iberian peninsula. The man chosen to lead them was General Tarik ibn Ziyad. In 711, the bold Tarik, in command of an army of 10,000 men, crossed the straits and disembarked near a rock promontory which from that day since has borne his name--Djabal Tarik (`Tarik's Mountain'), or Gibraltar. In August 711, Tarik won paramount victory over the opposing European army. On the eve of the battle, Tarik is alleged to have roused his troops with the following words:

"My brethren, the enemy is before you, the sea is behind; whither would ye fly? Follow your general; I am resolved either to lose my life or to trample on the prostrate king of the Romans."

Wasting no time to relish his victory, Tarik pushed on with his dashing and seemingly tireless Moorish cavalry to the Spanish city of Toledo. Within a month's time, General Tarik ibn Ziyad had effectively terminated European dominance of the Iberian peninsula. Musa ibn Nusayr, Arab governor of North Africa, joined Tarik in Spain and helped complete the conquest of Iberia with an army of 18,000 men. The two commanders met in Talavera, where the Moors were given the task of subduing the northwest of Spain. With vigor and speed they set about their mission, and within three months they had swept the entire territory north of the Ebro River as far as the Pyrenees Mountains and annexed the turbulent Basque country.

In the aftermath of these brilliant struggles, thousands of Moors flooded into the Iberian peninsula. So eager were they to come that some are said to have floated over on tree-trunks. Tarik himself, at the conclusion of his illustrious military career, retired to the distant East, we are informed, to spread the teachings of Islam.

SOURCES
Golden Age Of The Moor, Edited by Ivan Van Sertima
The Story Of The Moors In Spain, by Stanley Lane-Poole

Where the moors just whites from africa?

Take it from this, the song of Roland written around the year 1100:

Who holds Alferne, Kartagene, Garmalie,
And Ethiope, a cursed land indeed;
The blackamoors from there are in his keep,
Broad in the nose they are and flat in the ear,
Fifty thousand and more in company.


When Rollant sees those misbegotten men,
Who are more black than ink is on the pen
With no part white, only their teeth except,
Then says that count: "I know now very well
That here to die we're bound, as I can tell.
Strike on, the Franks! For so I recommend."
Says Oliver: "Who holds back, is condemned!"
Upon those words, the Franks to strike again.

Spain never "expelled" moors, it just forced them to convert to christianity. Ferdinand and Isabella were not "racialists" but "religious". -OWG



Al Andalus (711-1492 C.E.)
Al-Andalus * in the Iberian Peninsula (Spain) had been under the rule of Muslims of African descent - the Berbers and Moors since 711 when an African general, formerly a slave called Tariq ibn Ziyad went to Spain. Gibraltar is named after him, Jebal Tariq - mountain of Tariq, because he landed on the island and burnt his ships to inspire his men that there was no turning back.

* When Muslims came to Spain, its natives were called Vandals. So the Muslims called the land, Andalus - the Arabisation of the word Vandalusia (http://www.erols.com/zenithco/index.html#spain).

In 1469, Ferdinand of Aragaon married Isabella of Castile, helping to unite two warring Spanish kingdoms against the common enemy, the Muslims. This union subsequently sounded the deathknell for the Muslims in Spain who had already lost territory in quick succession such as Cordoba (1236), Valencia (1238), Seville (1248), Lisbon, Toledo (1487), Malaga, etc through internal feuding amongst themselves.

The Roman Catholic Church having launched Inquisitions in France, Italy in the 13th century which wiped out Unitarian Christians, extended it to Spain in 1481 to kill or forcibly convert heathens or heretics, namely Unitarian Christians and Muslims. Were Unitarian Christians, heretics and witches (if there is such a thing as women dressed in black flying on broomsticks!), actually Muslims or potential Muslims (everyone is born a Muslim and truth stands clear from falsehood) ?

Isabella proved herself to be one of the greatest quartermaster generals of all time in supplying the Christian armies to drive the Muslims out. She was responsible for inflicting more torture and burning at the stake of mostly innocent people than any other monarch; for it was under her that the Inquisition was established and carried out its terrible work with her fervid blessing.

In the Inquisition, millions of Muslims were inhumanely treated, enslaved, tortured, burned, persecuted, forcibly baptised; and had property confiscated. Rather than have their daughters marry Christians, the Moors who were forced to convert to Catholicism put the girls into convents; thus today one finds many of the Spanish nuns' recipes for sweetmeats involving sugar, honey and almonds, are of Arab origin.

1492 marked a new age for Europe. After 781 years of Islamic presence in Spain, the Vatican was well on its way in reuniting the whole of Spain into Christendom. On 2nd January 1492, the last Muslim foothold in Spain, Granada was overrun by Christian armies. Thus ended the power, wealth and elegance of Al-Andalus.

The essence of the re-conquest of Spain was the transfer of power from Muslim to Christian rulers. To that process, there contributed greedy princes, fanatical bigots, roughneck French knights looking for fighting, Castilian squires seeking land and booty.

The destruction of the Islamic state in Spain was carefully planned, to ensure that Muslims from Africa were not in a position to assist their co-religionists in Spain. With two year's preparation and a papal bull, a Crusade was launched on 24th August 1415, against Ceuta, a strategic Muslim stronghold and trading centre in Morocco, just east of Tangier, opposite to Gibraltar. The Portuguese Armada, well armed, and supported by a contingent of English archers and ships overwhelmed the Muslims. Within a day the Crusaders had taken Ceuta. Having ransacked and piled the streets with dead Muslims, the city was left profitless. The main mosque was turned into a church.

When Granada fell to Christendom, Columbus successfully persuaded Spain's monarchs to support his expedition, in the context of the struggle against Islam. Ferdinand and Isabella then appointed Columbus, a Genoese (north west Italy) seafarer 'to go by way of the West to India'. They appointed him high admiral of the sea and made him Viceroy and perpetual governor of any lands he discovered. Eight months later, Columbus set sail in the name of the Trinity from Palos de la Frontera, Granada, Spain on the morning of August 3rd 1492. He first sailed down the West coast of Africa to the Canary Islands to take on wood and water and to refit; then he sailed across the Atlantic Ocean. In the same year, October 13 1492, he discovered the West Indies (San Salvador). [13].

'Description of the world' by Pierre d'Ailley, the Cardinal of Tournia was Columbus's favourite reading. D'Ailley introduced Columbus to Arabic sources and computations of the Muslim geographer, Al-Farghani. Columbus also studied the 'Universal History' by Pharaoh (Pope) Pius 2nd. [34].

To Combat the Religion of Mahomet and the Conquest of Jerusalem...

But what was the purpose of Columbus' voyage ? It is actually written in the prologue of his journal, in which he addresses Spain's monarchs. Here is a summarised extract [12]:

Columbus first praises the Spanish monarchy for finally bringing to an end the Crusade against the Moors (Muslims) on 2nd January 1492 at Granada. He describes the humiliating end of the Moors when the Muslim leader emerged from his fortress at Alhambra to kiss the hands of Spain's Christian monarchs. (Weeping Moor).

In his second paragraph, Columbus states that he intends to go to India to meet its ruler, the Great Khan, who like his predecessors, had appealed to Rome many times, for men learned in Christianity to instruct him, an appeal to which the Pope had not yet responded, resulting in many people being 'lost' through idolatries and acceptance of religions of damnation [12].

The prologue explains that Spain's Christian rulers who are dedicated to the expansion of Christianity have sent Columbus to combat the religion of Mahomet and all idolatries and heresies. Columbus is to meet the rulers of the India, see the towns, lands and all other things, to find out in what manner they might be converted to Christianity. [12]. Hence, Columbus was accompanied by an Arabic interpreter.

Finally, Columbus makes the following pledge: "that he intends to find gold mines and spices and everything in such quantity that the Spanish monarchs within three years would undertake and organise themselves to go to conquer the Holy Sepulchre, for all the wealth gained in the enterprise should be spent on the conquest of Jerusalem" [12]. Columbus was convinced that he had been chosen by God to recover Jerusalem. The conquest of Jerusalem was also the aim of Ferdinand and Isabella, who styled themselves as King and Queen of Jerusalem. In later voyages Columbus tried to convince his crew of circumnavigating the whole world and return home to Spain via Jerusalem. It was India's massive population of over three hundred million and its inexhaustible natural wealth; for Christians needed to finance their Final Crusade to colonise all of the Muslim world and capture Palestine. To this end, Columbus deposited money in San Giorgio Bank in Genoa, his native city, for when his successors conquer Jerusalem.

When King Ferdinand accepted the keys of the city of Granada from King Boabdil on January 2, 1492, he assured the defeated Moor that he would safeguard the rights and practices of his people. But as Christian fervor continued to envelop the peninsula, and the "Jewish problem" was settled later that year with the edict of expulsion, the Inquisition turned its gaze southward. Although they were not expelled by decree until 1609, in reality the Muslims, like the Jews, were either compelled to convert to Christianity or encouraged to leave. Thus, in this instance of 'ethnic cleansing', the unofficial tolerance and pragmatism that had permitted the three cultures of the Iberian peninsula to live side by side, by necessity if not actually peacebly, for hundreds of years, officially came to an end.


In the centuries leading up to the reconquista political relations between the querulous Muslim and Christian kingdoms were extremely flexible, subject as they were to the vagaries of necessity and pragmatism. Alliances on both sides were often short-lived. Even the medieval Spanish hero El Cid seems to have fought along side the Moorish champions almost as often as he fought against them. The same seems to be true of the personal relations between some Moors and Christians in affairs of the heart, given the evidence of songs "Si te quitasse los hierros", and "Di perra mora". Even after the fall of Granada brought down the last Iberian Moorish kingdom, the interchange between the two cultures of the peninsula continued in the border areas as it had for centuries. Intolerance was still the order of the day; in fact I have heard it suggested that while the rest of Europe favored the round-backed lute (the western descendant of the Arabic oud), because of its Moorish connotations the lute was shunned by the Christian Iberians in favor of the flat-backed vihuela. But in the aftermath of the reconquista some parts of Christian Spain may have developed a taste for 'things Moorish', creating a demand for stories, songs and plays portraying Muslim characters, much as Native American stories and legends were popular in North America in the 19th century. The nuba music of modern day North Africa, though now a composed tradition, traces its lineage directly to the music of the Moors in Spain, and may represent a vestige of the music of 16th century Andaluz.

OWG, if you think most Spaniards arent White, you need to take a trip there and see for yourself. Madrid is one of the most wonderful large cities I have ever visited. Compare France to Madrid, and if even if you can discount the tons of dogshit on Parisian streets, Madrid is still cleaner and safer and WHITER. Maybe there may more blondes in Paris, but there's also tons more NIGGERS.

Worst thing I'll say about Spaniards is the persistent and troubling presence of marranos, who are crypto jews aware of their concealed identity.

The year 1492 has long been a histor­ical touchstone. Europeans and Americans recently marked the 500th anniversary of Christopher Columbus's "discovery" of the New World, not with­out protests from those who felt that the hemisphere's gains from the event were far out­weighed by its losses. Spain was a focus of atten­tion in the quincentennial year, in part because it was Columbus's point of departure, and as host of the universal exposition EXPO '92 in Seville and the summer Olympic Games in Barcelona.

There was another 500th anniversary to be marked in 1992, however, and it too involved Spain. While this event has also had important repercus­sions in world history, and remains the source of a lingering sense of loss, it has attracted much less attention. The event was the fall of the Muslim city of Granada (Gharna-tah in Arabic), on the second day of 1492, to the forces of the Catholic kings of Castile, ending nearly eight centuries of Muslim rule in the Ibe­rian Peninsula and closing one of the most turbulent and glorious chap­ters in Islamic history.

As some historical accounts have it, Muslim armies first arrived in the peninsula in AD 711 at the request of one side of a civil war raging in Visigothic Spain. Muslim rule was ac­cepted voluntarily by many Span­iards, and numbers of them accepted Islam. In 732, just 100 years after the death of the Prophet, Muslim troops crossed the Pyrenees to make their deepest advance into western Europe; they were checked at Poitiers in a battle that has rung down the centuries in Western legend, but which Muslim chroni­clers record, if at all, as a minor skirmish. The Muslims soon withdrew again and set about estab­lishing Islam in Spain, in the territories they called al-Andalus. The society they developed was perhaps uniquely tolerant and heterogeneous, with Arab and Berber immigrants living side-by-side with Spanish Muslims, Christians and Jews. Intermarriage was fairly common.

Al-Andalus was ruled by the Umayyad caliphs in Damascus until 750, when the Abbasid dynasty came to power in the East. One Umayyad prince alone, Abd al-Rahman ibn Mu'awiyah, escaped and fled to Spain; there he established an inde­pendent Umayyad state in 756. The Andalusian rulers, sovereign politically, continued to regard the Abbasid caliphs as the ultimate religious author­ity for almost 200 years, but the eighth ruler of the dynasty, 'Abd al-Rahman III al-Nasir, claimed the caliphal title for himself and his progeny in 929. The Andalusian Umayyad caliphate was the gol­den age of al-Andalus in terms of political power. The southern two-thirds of the Iberian peninsula were united under the caliph in Córdoba (in Ara­bic, Qurtubah), and he was also an important player in North African affairs. It was the Umayyads who, through skill, cleverness and occa­sional ruthlessness, laid the foundation for the splendor of al-Andalus.

Between 1009 and 1031, however, a series of uprisings and a succession of weak rulers together led to the dissolution of the Umayyad state. Filling the vacuum, more than a score of independent petty monarchs emerged, called "party kings" or in Arabic mulukal-tawa'if, from the word ta'ifah (Span­ish taifa), meaning party or faction. Though these rival kingdoms - some no more than city-stateswere much weaker than the unitary Umayyad caliphate, the taifa period witnessed a flourishing of arts and learning as each ruler attempted to outdo the others in the prestige of his court. As David Wasserstein points out in The Rise and Fall of the Party Kings, the profusion of rulers also meant a profusion of patrons, so artists, scholars and scien­tists could find a sponsor, or even competing spon­sors, with relative ease.

Nevertheless, weakened by chronic infighting, treacherous double-dealing and internal deca­dence, the taifa kings gave up considerable terri­tory to the Christian kingdoms that were reassert­ing themselves in the north of the peninsula. By 1085 the Castilians had taken the crucial city of Toledo, and the petty kings asked the new Almoravid ruler in Morocco, Yusuf ibn Tashufin, to inter­vene. The Almoravids (in Arabic, al-Murabitun, "The Garrisoned Ones") were a puritanical dynasty that had arisen among the Berbers of far southern Morocco, and for a time they were con­tent to assist the taifa kings militarily - but in 1090 Yusuf decided that his erstwhile hosts had to go, and the petty kings were swept aside. The Almoravids at first imposed their puritanism and rigid religious orthodoxy, visible even in their art, on Spain, but in the end, though their faith remained pure, they themselves succumbed to the luxury and ease of al-Andalus.

The Almoravids' faltering strength provided the Christian kingdoms with opportunities for reconquest, and by 1145 Almoravid Spain was reeling. The Muslim population rose in revolt and a new group of taifa monarchs asked the Almohads (in Arabic, al-Muwahhidun, "Those Who Profess God's Unity") - another puritanical movement from southern Morocco, which sup­planted the Almoravids in North Africa - to intervene. The Almohads willingly obliged, and for a time the new North African rulers enjoyed some success in Spain. But the tide turned in favor of the Christians in 1212 at the Battle of al-'Iqab, called in Spanish Las Navas de Tolosa, and within decades the Almohads had retreated back across the Strait of Gibraltar. Muslim cities fell one after another until 1260, when only the kingdom of Granada remained.

Precariously balanced between hostile Christian powers to the north and rival Muslim rulers in Morocco to the south, Granada survived for almost two centuries more. Although they gradually ceded terri­tory to the Spanish Christian forces, the Nasrid rulers of Granada, afraid of being swallowed by their rescuers, refused to turn to the Moroccans for assistance. Isolated politically, the Granadines lived on, on borrowed time.

Yet, architectural historian John Brooks notes, "despite the general winding down of the organ­ized political and military state during the last period of Muslim rule in Spain, this strikingly rich and original culture was still evolving." Indeed, many of the most lavish and famous examples of Andalusian art and architecture date from this period (See Aramco World, September-October 1992). Within its slowly shrinking enclave, Granada flourished magnificently, both artistically and cul­turally, until the end of the 15th century, when Catholic Spain overcame political division and the effects of the Black Death and the final stage of the reconquista began in earnest.

By the end of 1491 the armies of Ferdinand and Isabella were at the gates of Granada itself. There remained only one final act to be played out, a knell whose sorrow was to reverberate across the Muslim world and become legend. Granada's ruler, [Muhammad XII Abu 'Abd Allah, known in the West las Boabdil, secretly agreed to hand over the city to {the Christians in return for his safe passage out of Spain. As he left the city, Boabdil paused to look [back at the Alhambra palace, the Generalife gardens and the rest of Granada. Stanley Lane-Poole relates Boabdil's reaction in his classic 1887 work The Moors in Spain:

"Allahu akbar!" he said, "God is most great," as he burst into tears. His mother Ayesha stood beside him: "You may well weep like a woman," she said, "for what you could not defend like a man." The spot whence Boabdil took his sad farewell look at his city from which he was banished for ever, bears to this day the name of el ultimo sospiro del Moro, "the last sigh of the Moor."

Thus, on January 2, 1492, Muslim political sovereignty in Spain came to an end.

Muslims and people of Muslim origin had lived relatively unmolested in Christian areas before the fall of Granada and continued to do so immediately after; the city's inhabitants received generous terms of submission and a large degree of religious freedom. In 1499, however, the Catholic monarchs' guarantees were broken, and forced conversion of the Muslims was introduced. The Muslim popula­tion rebelled, but the revolt was quickly suppres­sed. In 1500 Spanish Muslims were presented with a stark choice: Convert to Catholicism or be ex­pelled from Spain. While some Muslims did convert, others continued to practice their faith in secret, and the rest chose exile, principally across the Mediterranean in North Africa.

Although Muslim rule in Spain had ended, the rich cultural and intellectual legacy of al-Andalus survived, both in the Iberian Peninsula and throughout the world. Elements of the Islamic heritage can be found throughout Spain, and in recent years modern Spain has become more aware, and more proud, of the glories of this period of its history. Many place names, such as those of the port city of Algeciras (from al-Jazirah al-Khadra', green island), the Guadalquivir River (from al-Wadi al-Kabir, great river), and the southern region of Andalusia itself, all come from the Arabic used in al-Andalus. The Spanish lan­guage itself has been greatly influenced by Arabic, particularly in terms of vocabulary, and many terms of Arabic origin passed on from Spanish into English in the New World.

Some of Spain's most famous architectural monuments, including Córdoba's Great Mosque, Seville's Giralda and Granada's Alhambra, date from the Muslim period; architecture in southern Spain and Latin America borrows a great deal from Muslim builders, both in terms of materials used -tile, stucco - and design elements like central cour­tyards, abstract ornamentation, and creative use of water and fountains. The artisans and craftsmen of Spain after the reconquista remained largely Mus­lim, and they often received commissions from Spanish nobility; their work can easily be seen today throughout Andalusia - in the royal resi­dence of Seville, the Alcázar (from the Arabic al-Qasr, meaning the palace), for example.

The instruments, rhythmic patterns, vocal con­ventions and overall structure and organization of Andalusian music, derived directly from Arab pre­cursors, have also had their effect on Spanish - and, by extension, Latin American - music. In some cases even the Andalusian melodies have been passed down intact.

The works of many of the most prominent think­ers and practitioners of al-Andalus, along with writings from the eastern Muslim world, were translated from Arabic into Latin by Spaniards (See Aramco World, May-June 1992). Through these translations, philosophical and scientific thought from the Greek and Roman worlds, preserved and expanded upon by Muslim scholars, passed into European consciousness to fuel both the Renaissance and the Age of Enlightenment.

Nevertheless, it was back in the Arab and Muslim worlds that Andalusian culture and society had their greatest impact, even before 1492. Many important contributors in Islamic intellectual history came from or worked in Muslim Spain: No account of the development of philosophy in Islam is complete without a discussion of Ibn Tufayl, who died in 1185, and of his pupil Ibn Rushd, who was born in Córdoba, became chief qadi, or judge, of Seville, and died in 1198. Ibn Rushd, known in the West as Averroes, made his most important con­tributions in his commentary on Aristotle, his refutation of al-Ghazali's critique of philosophy, and his examination of the relationship between reason and religion. Much of Ibn Rushd's thought prefigured the work of Thomas Aquinas.

In medicine, al-Andalus produced scholars like al-Zahrawi (died ca. 1013), who wrote extensively on surgery, pharmacology, medical ethics and the doctor-patient relationship. Ibn Zuhr (known in the West as Avenzoar), a century and a half later was an advocate of clinical research and practical experimentation.

In literature, Ibn Hazm (died 1064) expanded traditional romantic poetry with his "Tawq al-Hamamah" ("Dove's Necklace"), which expounds on the various forms of chivalric love and the joys and sorrows it produces. The courtly muwashshah form of poetry passed from al-Andalus into North Africa, and influenced the development of both literature and music in the Maghrib. The classical music of North Africa, which remains popular, is still known as "Andalusi music."

The most immediate effects of the events of 1492 to 1500 were felt in the great cities of North Africa, where most of the Andalusian refugees fled after their expulsion. Residents of each Spanish city tended to migrate to a particular Maghribi city, so that many exiles from Valencia ended up in Tunis, those from Córdoba in Tlemcen, refugees from Seville in Fez, and so on. Andalusian scholars, mer­chants and artisans in many ways revitalized North African society, enriching Maghribi culture and adding a fresh influence to the existing Arabo-Berber traditions. This influence continued for some 200 years, until the Andalusian heritage had been completely integrated into North African life. Nonetheless, many present-day Moroccans, Algerians and Tunisians can still trace their lineage back to a specific city of al-Andalus (See Aramco World, July-August 1991).

Its intellectual, cultural and esthetic contribu­tions aside, however, al-Andalus left a bittersweet emotional legacy to the Arab and Muslim worlds. Though the sense of loss is most pronounced in descendants of the Andalusian exiles, the memory of al-Andalus retains its emotive power throughout the Islamic world

The 20th-century Iraqi writer Daisy Al Amir, for example, takes contemporary England as the set­ting for her allegorical story "An Andalusian Tale," about an Arab student who meets "a Spaniard who recognized his Arab ancestry" and is proud of his Andalusian heritage. Tunisian film director Nacer Khemir borrows his title and his melancholy sub­ject matter from Ibn Hazm in the 1990 film Le colier perdu du colombe (The Dove's Lost Necklace). Khemir's fanciful costumes, dream-like architecture, shim­mering colors and stunning cinematography give life to the esthetic ideal of al-Andalus.

When the Moors Ruled Spain
by Thomas J. Abercrombie
National Geographic
Vol. 174, No. 1, July 1988.

Through parting curtains of drizzle the lights of Africa dissolved into the widening gray dawn. Climbing back on deck with course corrections and hot coffee, I watched the last ghosts of lightning dance off the flanks of Morocco's Jabal Musa just astern. To the east a fine day was building; already the first breezes stiffened our sails and, gently heeling, our small chartered sloop Nejmah--Arabic for "star"--started to gallop.

"Perfect weather for a morning's sail--or an intercontinental passage," said my Spanish shipmate, Rafa, beaming from behind the wheel. Here the narrow Gibraltar Strait is one of the few places a sailor can combine the two. The radio forecast confirmed our optimism, and as Rafa eased our bow to 015 magnetic to allow for the tide, I switched the dial back to Spain's Radio Flamenco. We scanned the rising mists ahead for our landfall, snapping fingers to a Gypsy guitar.

"Ole, que bonita!" Rafa exclaimed. "Wow, what a beaut!" A beacon for mariners since the dawn of seafaring, the famous Rock was one of the Pillars of Hercules (Jabal Musa, twice as high behind us, formed the other). For the ancients they marked the boundary of the known world. To the occupying British, strategic "Gib" with its history of heroic sieges remains a monument to empire. Spain vociferously claims the tiny peninsula, a natural extension of its own soil.

Rafa--Rafael de Tramontana y Gayangos, the Marquis of Gaudacorte--measured the scene with his own thoughts. Before Spain lost Gibraltar to England in 1713, the Guadacortes ruled hereabouts. A grandson of Dr. Pascual Gayangos, Spain's first modern Arabist, Rafa now presides over the Fundacion Gayangos, a Madrid-based institute to promote cultural exchange between Spain and its Muslim neighbors. For me the stronghold marked the first stop on a journey into a neglected corner of Europe's history, a distant time when Muslims ruled Spain, and Islam visited its mind on the West.

The creed of Islam had been revealed to the seventh-century prophet-statesman Muhammad in distant Arabia. It spread swiftly, embracing the entire desert peninsula by the time of his death in 632. Six years later Syria and Palestine fell to the zealots. From their new capital in Damascus, Muslim armies fanned eastward through Mesopotamia to India and Central Asia, westward to the Nile and across North Africa. A century after the birth of Islam, its call to prayer rang from minarets all the way from the Atlantic to the outskirts of China, an empire larger than Rome's at its zenith.

History named these Muslim conquerors of Spain "Moors," probably because they arrived by way of Morocco. The Moors themselves never used the term. They were Arabs, from Damascus and Medina, leading armies of North African Berber converts. Most married into Spanish and Visigoth families or took fair- skinned Galician slaves to wife; soldiers all, they brought no women with them. From this heady mix of race and culture sprang the Moorish civilization, an adventure that would last 900 years, one that would change the face--and the soul--of Spain forever.

Rafa and I were bobbing in the wake of Tariq ibn Ziyad, a Muslim general. With soldiers and horses in four borrowed boats, he crossed from Ceuta on the African side--as did we--and set up his beachhead on the narrow ledge below the Rock where the town of Gibraltar huddles today, then dispatched the tiny fleet back to ferry the rest of his army.

In the spring of 711, Tariq marched northward from Gibraltar with 12,000 Muslims. At the Rio Barbate, south of Cadiz, the invaders met the hastily gathered forces of Spain's Visigoth king, Roderic. "Before us is the enemy; behind us, the sea," shouted Tariq, drawing his scimitar. "We have only one choice: to win!"

For an already faltering Visigoth rule, the battle of Barbate proved the mortal wound. King Roderic was slain; his body was never recovered. Whole battalions deserted, and the Christian army crumbled. The Islamic conquest of Spain was thus set in motion.

"Only recently have the Spanish begun to approach their Islamic past," Rafa said. "We take pride in our sangre pura, pure blood. No Catholic wants to face the thought of Moors on the family tree. "But we are finding that much of what we think of as 'pure Spanish,' our architecture, our temperament, our poetry and music--even our language--is a blend from a long Arabic heritage." In the weeks ahead I would find even more marks of the Moors on the face and heart of Spain.

Only two hours from the African coast we sailed Nejmah past Europa Point Light and into the lee of the Rock to tie up at Marina Bay, just below the lofty Moorish castle built by Tariq's successors. Shops, warehouses, traffic-clogged streets, quays, and dockyards now cover any traces of the first Arab conquerors, all except one: The name Gibraltar descends from jabal Tariq, Arabic for "Tariq's mountain."

I visited the hillside Arab fortress with a knowledgeable Gibraltar friend, Richard Garcia, a former schoolteacher with a passion for the history that crowds his town. Along the way Richard showed me Moorish walls, traces of an Arab gate, the domed baths now housing Gibraltar's small museum. Narrow lanes and steep stone steps led us up a block of modern high rises that today fills the large castle yard to the 80-foot-high tower that dominates the town and its harbor.

"Abu al-Hasan, a Moroccan king, refurbished the tower in 1333, and he built it to last," Richard said, pointing out small starburst patterns that pocked the ramparts. "Cannonballs barely scratched the ten-foot-thick walls. "The tower suffered 14 major sieges," he said. "Several times its defenders were starved out, but no army ever took it by force."

I was surprised to find the fortress still inhabited. The high-walled keep, just below the tower, serves as Gibraltar's lockup. Douglas Gaetto, an officer at the jail, showed me its newly painted cell blocks and what must be the world's smallest soccer field, squeezed into the prison yard. In cellars below we prowled rows of dungeons used for solitary confinement until the turn of the century. They faced on to a gallows courtyard and a lime pit once used to reduce corpses of the condemned.

"We have only eight 'guests' at the moment, small-time smugglers mostly. All short-termers," Officer Gaetto said. "We are looking forward to newer, larger quarters. Money will surely be appropriated. The problem is--as always on this tight little island--where to build it?"

Gibraltar's claustrophobia was aggravated during Spain's 16- year-long closure of its narrow land border, a ban lifted only in 1985. At his office I talked about the isolation with Jon Searle, then editor of the Gibraltar "Chronicle." "We are 29,000 people perched together on two and a half square miles of cliffs and beaches," Searle said. "The blockage deepened our siege mentality. We developed more ties with Tangier across the strait." And of Spain's oft voiced claims to the Rock? "The British Empire is history now. In the age of the missile, Gibraltar's strategic value has dropped," Searle said. "Britain just might be happy to let Spain have it. But how can it, really? We Gibraltarians are bilingual, our culture tied to both Spain and England. But we prefer to remain under the Union Jack. In a recent referendum only 44 voters cast their lot with Spain."

Still marveling at the vagaries of history, I followed the conquering footsteps of Tariq ibn Ziyad northward. After the victory at the Rio Barbate he had moved swiftly. One by one the Spanish cities fell to him, often betrayed by their own citizens long chafing under the Visigoths. Early in 712, after a perfunctory siege, his Muslims galloped through the gates of the Visigoth capital, Toledo. The Christian armies, those left, were pinned in the northernmost mountains of Spain.

Hemmed by walls, moated by a loop of the Rio Tajo, Toledo remained for nearly 400 years a stronghold of the Moors, who spun its tangled web of steep streets and narrow plazas. Its role as a border fortress is today recalled by the huge military school that sits atop an adjoining bluff.

In 1085 Alfonso VI of Castile and Leon wrested the city from the Moors; the Reconquista, or Reconquest of Spain by the Christians, had begun in earnest. But for several centuries after Toledo's recapture, the city remained bilingual, tolerant. Alfonso X patronized an important 13th-century translation school where Christian, Muslim, and Jewish scholars collaborated to render Arabic manuscripts into Latin--masterpieces like the commentaries on Aristotle by Ibn Rushd (Averroes); works on algebra and mathematics by al-Khwarizmi (from whose name comes our term "logarithm"); and the Canon of Ibn Sina (Avicenna), which remained Europe's standard medical textbook for 500 years.

Christians raised a cathedral befitting a capital of Castile and dozens of churches and convents. Toledo remains the country's religious capital; its archbishop still reigns as primate of Spain. Today synagogues and mosques have been restored and splendid palaces opened to the public--museums to display Toledo's abundant heritage. The whole city has been officially declared a national monument.

Artists and artisans, plying old Moorish crafts, still prosper. On Calle Santo Tome a shopwindow sparkling with gold drew me inside to the friendly workbench of master craftsman Modesto Aguado-Martin. With a jeweler's hammer and steel point he deftly laid 24-carat thread into delicate patterns scored on a black iron platter. "We turn out Madonnas, Bible scenes, and Star of David motifs, all popular with tourists who day-trip down from Madrid," Senor Aguado said, tapping away. "But, as you see, we specialize in arabesque designs. "The art of damascene, as its name implies, came here from Damascus," he continued, the tiny hammer never missing a beat. "This is an authentic Toledo design; it could have come from the dome of a tenth-century mosque. Pure Arabic."

A local sculptor, Maximo Revenga, took me to a Toledo museum he helped restore, the Taller del Moro, literally, the "Moor's workshop," although it never served as such. It was built during the 14th century as a palace in Mudejar style, a lavish blend of Arab and Gothic architecture that graces many Spanish monuments. Its high salons, arches, and alcoves were worked in yeso, an art the Arabs mastered, carving plaster walls with breathtaking patterns of flowers, geometrics, and calligraphy.

"Yeso is a demanding medium, requiring patience to master and speed to execute; the carving is intricate and must be finished before the plaster hardens. "I studied the technique here at Toledo's School of Applied Arts," Revenga said. "Now I'm teaching it here. We must preserve this art; Toledo has dozens more Arab-style buildings-- throughout Spain there must be hundreds--that need loving care."

The darker side of Toledo's past chilled my last afternoon in the city--an exhibit of old torture implements at the Hermandad gallery across from the cathedral. It included a rack, branding irons, skull squashers, thumbscrews, an iron maiden. The grisly display was assembled, according to the city's Council of Culture, to remind us that even today "human beings are victims of physical and psychological torture in many parts of the world...."

I retreated back into Toledo's quiet gray streets dogged by ghosts. It was here, long after Alfonso VI, that the first victims of a growing Christian bigotry perished at the stake. In 1469 Prince Ferdinand of Aragon wed Princess Isabella of Castile; the marriage would unite Christian Spain under their rule. While waging war against Moorish potentates to the south, they would view as a threat Muslims and Jews in their own lands. In 1480 they established the Spanish Inquisition. Before it was over, three centuries later, thousands of Muslims and Jews had died; an estimated three million people were driven into exile. Shorn of its leading businessmen, artists, agriculturists, and scientists, Spain would soon find itself victim of its own cruelty.

A train ride south through sun-swept Andalusia brightened my mood. Here, across the warm, undulating landscape that nurtures rows of grape vines and olive and citrus trees, Islamic culture sank its deepest roots. Small wonder. Mediterranean Spain is a mirror of Morocco, a close cousin of the Levant. Here the Arabs felt at home. Indeed to a desert Arab, Andalusia--from the Arab al-Andalus--competed with descriptions of heaven in the Holy Karan: "gardens dark green...springs pouring forth...fruits and dates and pomegranates...." In 756 Prince Abd-al-Rahman, who had escaped massacre when his dynasty was overthrown in Syria, planted his capital at Cordoba on the fertile banks of the Guadalquivir (from the Arabic al-wadi al-kabir, great river) in Andalusia's heartland.

Under Abd-al-Rahman III and his successors, 150 years later, Cordoba blossomed into a metropolis of half a million with, according to contemporary chroniclers, 21 suburbs, 500 mosques, 300 public baths, 70 libraries, and miles of paved, lamp-lighted streets. The largest city in western Europe, Cordoba stood with Baghdad and Constantinople as one of the great cultural centers of the world.

Cordoba's pride today is its venerable Mezquita, or mosque, which in 1986 celebrated its 1,200th anniversary. Begun by the first Abd-al-Rahman, it was enlarged and embellished to become what is considered today the epitome of Moorish architecture. From its quiet Patio of the Orange Trees, past fountains where the faithful once performed their ablutions, I entered the 600-by-450-foot shrine, rivaling in size Islam's holiest in Mecca. As my eyes grew accustomed to the darkness, I wandered through the forest of jasper, marble, and porphyry columns, some 850, that support the tracery of double-tiered Moorish arches. Nineteen doorways, before they were walled up, let in light and air and extended the theme of the columns to the rows of orange trees in the courtyard.

My footsteps led me to the mosque's domed mihrab, or prayer niche. From behind its scalloped marble arches, amid the splendid mosaics designed by Byzantine carftsmen, Cordoba's rulers once led Friday prayers. Flowing Arabic calligraphy adorning the walls exalted Cordoba: "...praise to Allah who led us to this place...."

In the dim vastness I hardly noticed the cathedral. After the Christian Reconquest, Catholics reconsecrated the Mezquita as a church and for 300 years held services there. Then the clergy persuaded Emperor Charles V to raise a cathedral in its midst, despite strong protests from city leaders. Later, inspecting the baroque incursion, Charles confessed disappointment: "By installing something that is commonplace, you have destroyed what was once unique."

From smaller parish churches issue the spirit and spectacle of Cordoba's Semana Santa, or Holy Week. Thousands of Cordobans line narrow streets and wrought-iron balconies to watch the processions. Their religious intensity reflects the passion that drove medieval Christians to oust their Moorish occupiers.

Twenty churches participate, circulating about 50 pasos, or platforms, set with ornate statuary. "Different scenes each day recall the Madonna, the Last Supper, the Crucifixion, the Burial," explained a Cordoban friend, Luis-Eduardo Prieto Rico. We finished our fried squid and garlic shrimp at El Triunfo, a small restaurant near the Mezquita, then wedged into the throng at the Plaza de las Tendillas to witness one of the processions.

To the beat of distant drums, the solemn escort arrived: files of 200 or more penitentes, ghostlike in long robes cinched with ropes and tall pointed hoods. Most carried long flickering tapers or swung smoking silver censers; others bent under heavy oaken crosses. Behind marched women of the parish veiled in black lace mantillas. The drums grew louder as the paso appeared from around the corner, in a blaze of light, swaying with the measured footsteps of some 30 bearers straining beneath it. The life-size Virgin sat draped in lace and rich brocades above banks of fresh white roses that perfumed the air. A hundred enormous candles set her silver halo aglitter and caught the sparkle of tears on her radiant face.

The drums stopped, the paso paused, and suddenly a woman in the crowd broke into song, a passionate saeta, the flamenco hymn for which Andalusia is famous. The words were Spanish, but the mournful melody echoed Arab and Gypsy origins:

Like the precious stones of a jeweler,
The tears that flood your lovely eyes....

The stunning solo had its effect; throughout the applauding crowd around me I saw many eyes moisten as drums took up the beat and the paso moved on into the night. The quiet cool of morning is the time to stroll Cordoba. After a strong, black cafe solo at the Bar Mezquita, I followed one of the twisting cobblestone lanes that fan outward from the mosque through the medieval Muslim quarter, some so narrow that a stretched handkerchief spans their walls. They lead to small plazas, some holding statues of Cordoba's famous sons: the Roman Seneca; Arab philosophers Ibn Hazm and Ibn Rushd; Maimonides, major Jewish scholar of the Middle Ages; the 15th-century general, Gonzalo Fernandez de Cordoba, "El Gran Capitan"; Manolete, greatest of bullfighters.

Potted geraniums and carnations splash color on the tidy white-washed houses that line the lanes. On many of the massive wooden doors, as on those in Fez or Damascus, hang heavy iron knockers in the form of a hand--the hand of the Prophet's daughter, Fatima, according to one legend; another says the fingers recall the Five Pillars of Islam: the creed, prayers, alms, fasting, and the pilgrimage to Mecca.

As in Muslim cities, a Cordoba house acknowledges the outside world only begrudgingly through small windows, iron- grilled and shuttered, turning its attention inward to the center of family life, the patio. At Number 8, Pozo de Cueto, near the river, I got out my key and let myself in. "I cannot imagine a house without a patio," said my landlady, Senora Antonia Ortiz de Marin, bringing coffee and small glasses of amontillado, the local dry sherry. Now that the children were grown, she and her husband, a retired policeman, rent rooms during crowded Holy Week.

"How else, in such a small space, could we have had a private garden in the city?" she said. "A safe place for the children to play?" Our patio was typical. Entered through a Moorish arch, it was paved with arabesque tile work and softened by flowers, an herb garden, and orange trees set in pots around a fountain. I recalled that one of the Arabic words for home was muskin, from the same root as sakun, peace. Even in the heart of the city, my room looked down on a tranquil world of its own, under a private square of blue sky.

Of the extensive royal architecture that once crowded Muslim Cordoba, little survives. By far the grandest palace, a Versailles of its time, was built by Abd-al-Rahman III five miles northwest of the city at the foot of the Sierra Morena. For 25 years, until its completion in 961, he lavished on it a third of the royal budget, naming it Madinat al-Zahra, the City of Zahra, after a favorite concubine. Under his son and successor, al- Hakam II, it grew into a small city; double walls, each as thick as 15 feet, enclosed half a square mile. According to one account Hakam's family, his generals and viziers, scribes and translators, workmen and shopkeepers gave it a population of 20,000. The royal bodyguard added 12,000; the harem, 6,000 more.

"There was nothing visible when archaeologists arrived in 1910," said Antonio Vallejo, director of excavations, when we walked together down the terraced palace grounds. There were cypress and olive trees, a litter of fallen columns and capitals. "Foundations outline the caliph's mansion, the mosque, 400 houses, the ancient market, aqueducts, formal gardens, pools-- even a zoo," Vallejo said. "We have restored one of the buildings, the magnificent audience hall."

Amid its tattered splendors, where Hakam once received embassies from Europe and the East, I conjured up scenes from the "Arabian Nights" of turbaned notables and veiled dancing girls. Suddenly my daydreaming was interrupted by a vision coming through an archway, a tall Moor in white robes and pointed black beard.

"Salaam Alaykum!" he bowed, "I am Hakam II--of course, just for today." Francisco Bernal Garcia, an actor from a local troupe, smiled. We were soon joined by a dozen of his colleagues, taking their places on thick cushions set on sumptuous carpets in the center of the marble floor. While a television crew arranged its lighting, several hundred ten-year- olds filed noisily into the chamber, girls costumed in makeshift veils and slippers, the boys sporting burnt-cork goatees and cardboard scimitars.

"We are reenacting Caliph Hakam's reception for emissaries of King Ordona IV of Leon in 961," Francisco explained. "It is part of a program to bring history to life for Cordoba's schoolchildren." But Madinat al-Zahra underscores another of history's lessons: Even great powers are mortal.

Barely 50 years after its completion, the great palace lay sacked and leveled, as the caliphate dissolved into a score of bickering city-states. Amid the chaos that followed, many Muslim rulers became clients of northern Christian princes, and religious boundaries often became obscured. The famous Christian knight El Cid (his nickname derives from the Arabic al-sayyid, lord) changed his allegiance with the gusty political winds, now to fight for the emir of Zaragoza, now to help a Christian king, now to rule over Muslim Valencia.

The fall of Toledo drove Spanish Muslims to desperation. They sent for armies of the Berber fundamentalists, the Almoravids, who poured in from Morocco to stem the Christian advance. But they soon seized power for themselves to unite Muslim Spain with North Africa, which they ruled from their capital in Marrakech. Gradually these desert warriors succumbed to Moorish luxury, and half a century later another wave of North African puritans, the Almohads, crossed the strait to supplant them. In 1170 the Almohad ruler, Yaqub Yusuf, moved the Spanish capital to Seville.

Sweeping views of Seville can still be enjoyed from Sultan Yaqub's minaret, one of three sister towers he commissioned. Two others survive in Rabat and Marrakech. From 20 stories up the eye pans from the red-tiled roofs of Seville's medieval hub to the distant rim of modern apartment blocks and factories and beyond to the glowing countryside that nurtures Andalusia's largest city. When Christians destroyed Yaqub's mosque, they spared his minaret and topped it with a belfry and the giant bronze weathervane, or giralda, that gives it its popular name. Today La Giralda serves as the steeple for the largest Gothic cathedral in Europe.

Seville, in one word, defines Spain. That is the reason why Bizet chose it as the setting for his opera "Carmen." And why romantics like myself are drawn back--to the spectacle of the bullfight at the Plaza de la Maestranza, where glittering matadors perfect their cruel ballet of bravery and death. Or to clap our hands to the rhythms of guitars and staccato heels during a Gypsy lament:

A woman is like your shadow.
Pursued, it runs away,
Ignored, it follows you....

Or even join the sweater-and-jeans set at a noisy cafe flamenco in Triana to whirl through a sevillanas, the folk dance popular now all over Spain. Or just relax by the whispering fountains under the peach trees in the gardens of the Alcazar.

Within its high walls the Christian king Pedro the Cruel erected in the 1350s his own palace. He imported Muslim architects from Granada, whose designs reflect the cultural overlap of the times. Escutcheons on the walls of the royal bedchamber feature the lion rampant of Leon and the towered castle of Castile emblazoned with Arabic script:

Glory to our sultan Don Pedro.
Allah aid and protect him.

"Seville's Alcazar is the finest example of Mudejar architecture in Spain," curator Dr. Rafael Manzano said. "But it is more than just a museum. It is the royal residence whenever the King visits Seville." Dr. Manzano recounted the legend of the Alcazar's peach trees. "A romantic 11th-century ruler, al-Mutamid, also famed as a poet, married a northern beauty. Although happy as queen, she pined for the snows of her native hills. So al-Mutamid, it is told, ordered the gardens of the Alcazar planted with wild peach trees. Each spring, to this day, they bank the gardens with snow-white blossoms."

Against a backdrop of the Sierra Nevada's eternal snows, the drama of the Moors was to play itself out. When Cordoba fell to the Christian Reconquista in 1236 and Seville 12 years later, Muslim lands shrank to a 200-mile-long bastion in Spain's rugged southeast, curving from Gibraltar to past Almeria. Here sultans of the Nasrid dynasty ruled from their stronghold at Granada. From 1248 to 1354 they raised their masterpiece, a palace- fortress, the Alhambra.

Today from its high hill, Sabika, the clay-red Alhambra (from the Arabic al-hamra, the red one) looks down on two Granadas. One is the sloping Albaicin quarter--austere, labyrinthine, Moorish. The second is the newer city--noisy, businesslike, baroque--that sweeps along broad boulevards out onto the Vega plain. From the rooftop of his restored Moorish house in the heart of the Albaicin, Professor Miguel Jose Hagerty and I enjoyed a sweeping view of the Alhambra. Born in Chicago to Irish parents with gypsy roots, Professor Hagerty graduated from Notre Dame, where he majored in Islamic Studies. He now teaches Arabic and lectures on Arabic poetry at the University of Granada.

"Arab Spain nurtured scores of poets. Many of its rulers-- al-Mutamid and Abd-al-Rahman I, for instance--were poets in their own right," Professor Hagerty said. "Strict Islamic tradition discourages the making of 'graven images,' so painting and sculpture never flourished among the Moors. Instead they channeled creative energy into language. With its wealth of vocabulary, its sonorous sounds, its flowing calligraphy, Arabic is well suited to the task.

"Little has been translated," he said, but he recalled lines that survived the journey into Spanish and English. From Ibn al- Sabuni:

I present you a precious mirror,
Behold there the beauty that consumes me
O furtive love, your reflection is more yielding
And better keeps its promises....

Then he countered those lines with a stanza by another Sevillian romantic, Ibn Ammar:

Slaves in the realm of love
Are the only truly free men.

Professor Hagerty and I climbed to the Alhambra. The lofty mansions of the Nasrid sultans make up the most visited site in Spain. It is a miracle that they survived the centuries. They were defiled by squatters, eroded by neglect, brutalized by Charles V's massive Renaissance addition--a brick among lace pillows--and confounded by misbegotten restorations. Nevertheless the Alhambra endures, a sublime Oriental meld of artifact and nature.

Here the walls themselves speak--if you know Arabic. We traced out poems in the supple calligraphy of the friezes, archways, and fountains. In the upper gardens we found a couplet by Ibn al-Yayyab that praised Allah for providing the sparkling palace with

...its light of virtue
And the peace of its shadows....

A marble fountain bragged,

No greater mansions I see than mine
No equal in East or West.

I had to agree. Even in the oil-rich Arab countries of today architects with unlimited budgets have yet to match the Alhambra.
Arabic poetry was crafted, above all, for recital and song. Its lyric forms, zajal and muwashshah, some say, inspired the first ballads of the European troubadors. The soul-stirring adagios of cante jondo, the deep song of Gypsy flamenco, still trace moods and rhythms to this lost age. Jaime Heredia, a local flamenco singer, told me: "A Moroccan orchestra recently came to Granada to join us in concert. It was fantastico. We were up half the night playing encores."

I had missed the concert, but in Fez and Tetuan I had heard that music, the same melodies that once entertained courtiers in the Alhambra, played and sung by the descendants of Spanish Muslims expelled during the Inquisition centuries ago. They still convene regularly to keep alive their musiqa al- andalusiyyah.

"We had language problems, of course," Jaime said. "But we agreed on one thing: Musically we were brothers." Throughout Spain today the art of flamenco is being threatened by its commercialization in floor shows called tablaos; these count on dramatic lighting, amplifiers, and curvaceous dancers to attract larger audiences. Sacrificed in the process is flamenco's hallmark, its duende: soul. But a night owl can still sample flamenco puro when Gypsies gather at Jaime Heredia's bar, La Fuente, in Granada's Albaicin for a misa de doce, literally a "midnight mass," slang for a flamenco bash.

Well after midnight young Bautista arrived with his guitar, the sign for Jaime to close up shop and aficionados to gather. A small, broad-shouldered man in sweater and jeans, Heredia didn't look "flamenco." Where was the flat hat, the bolero jacket, the high-heeled boots? No matter. The guitar starts to ripple. Snapping fingers pick up the beat of a fandanguillo, and Jaime's voice lights up the darkness:

A chorus of children's laughter
Flows past an unseen river
Bittersweet strains recall a former love.

The guitar fires another fusillade of minor chords, stopping everyone in mid-drink. Jaime presses his hands together. Sweat gathers on his brow, veins on his neck bulge, and the powerful voice again stabs the room, a "deep song" of Gypsy anguish. The words, stylized, blurred, are lost to my untrained ear, but closing my eyes, I hear an Egyptian chanting from his minaret.

What about the lyrics? I pressed Jaime when the session finally broke up. It was daylight now, and regular breakfast customers were already demanding their coffee and brandy. "Not easy, senor," Jaime apologized. "The song is about love and death and God--ah, but no one could understand who was not suckled at a Gypsy mother's breast."

The remote villages of the Alpujarras, halfway up the southern flank of Mulhacen, Spain's highest peak, were the last domains of the Moors in Spain. Many towns like Beninar, Almocita, Bubion, and Mecina Alfahar still wear their Arabic names, as does Mount Mulhacen--and the Alpujarras itself.

The marriage of Ferdinand and Isabella sealed the fate of the faltering Granada sultans. Catholic Spain, finally united, continued to force the Muslims toward the sea, town by town. In 1492, the same year they launched Christopher Columbus on his historic voyage, Their Catholic Majesties rode into Granada to preside over the abdication of the last Moorish ruler, Muhammad Abu-Abdullah--Boabdil, as the Spanish call him.

On the way to the Alpujarras, I paused above Granada at the pass called Suspiro del Moro, the Sigh of the Moor. It was here Boabdil stopped to look back and shed a tear over his lost kingdom. According to legend his domineering mother, Aisha, berated him: "Fitting you cry like a woman over what you could not defend like a man." For a century more, Muslims held the Alpujarras's rocky folds and raided into the Christian lowlands, often igniting rebellions, until the last of the Moors were driven into exile in 1609.

The autumn day breaks late over the valley's brim at mile- high Bubion, waking the village slowly. I rubbed my hands together against the chill as I left my small pension. The first wisps of smoke drifted from conical chimneys atop slab roofs that staircase down the hillside toward the church square.

From nearby Capileira I set off on horseback with a farmer, Antonio Jimenez Estevez. We rode upward over narrow terraces through the last warm colors of autumn--orchards of red-leafed cherry trees and golden chestnut, bordered by yellow poplars and evergreen. For a while we followed the gravel way, Europe's highest motor road, that leads to 11,000-foot Pico de Veleta; then we turned off along a medieval acequia, or irrigation canal.

It brought us, after a mile or so, to a stone reservoir called, in Spanish, an alberca. The old watering system--and its Arabic- derived nomenclature--was still in use. "This is one of three canals on this side of the Poqueira Valley built by the Moors," Antonio said. "Twenty years ago, when I was a boy, we still ran water mills on this one." Now there was also a modern dam, a small hydroelectric plant, a larger canal.

We crossed a stream and walked our horses to the top of a rocky bluff. Beneath a sweeping snowscape, we came to the stone hut that serves as summer camp for the Jimenez family's upper fields. We sat under a walnut tree on the edge of the threshing circle while Antonio's young nephew, Jose Luis, hitched a team of mules to a wooden plow. Fall plowing would be the last chore before closing camp for the winter. A cousin waved a loud " Hola!" as he set off walking, in a cloud of dust and tinkling of bells, toward Mulhacen with the family's 400 sheep. Antonio's uncle Juan brought us local white wine, slices of the air-dried ham for which the Alpujarras is renowned, and a bowl of pears.

"Our terraces are small, the soil grudging, the season short," Antonio said. "Most of the men leave the Alpujarras to make their fortunes. I spent seven years in the orange groves of Valencia. "But I am back now to stay. Life is too hectic, too crowded on the plains. This is home."

The quiet crags of the Alpujarras look down on another world, lying only a dozen crow-flight miles away. An hour of hairpin turns dropped me from an eagle's next--alpine, traditional, and poor--to the Mediterranean--tropical, cosmopolitan, and booming. If the Alpujarras speaks of the past, the Costa del Sol plays the Spain of tomorrow.

At his office at the Costa del Sol Tourist Board, promotion manager Diego Franco said, "Historically, our two greatest enemies were the sun and the sea. One cursed us with a blistering climate; the other brought pirates." I had noticed that atalayas, or watchtowers, still guard every jut of land along the coast and that the older towns stood well into the cooler, protected foothills.

"Today, sun and sea are our stock-in-trade," he said. "Last year 50 million visitors came to Spain, one for every Spaniard and then some. It's an invasion--but a peaceful one."

The coast from Torremolinos to Estepona has crystallized into a 45-mile-long tourist metropolis: hotels, condominiums, restaurants, cafes, discos, amusement parks, casinos, boutiques. Many foreigners who come for a holiday decide to stay. An estimated one million pensioners from Great Britain alone have bought a piece of the Spanish sun.

At the other end of the scale stands Marbella. I checked in at the trendy Puente Romano Hotel, hoping for some cultural exchange with its jet-set regulars--the Countess Gunilla von Bismarck, perhaps, or Barbra Streisand, Stevie Wonder, Sean Connery, Christina Onassis. Now, during the low season, I found tranquillity instead--in an Arabian setting. My whitewashed stucco villa opened on a beachfront oasis, where a burbling stream flowed under olive and lemon trees past stands of bamboo and camellias, all shaded by palms that dropped ripe dates on my balcony.

"Allah akbar! Allah akbar!" The familiar call to prayer drifted in from the mosque across the street, Mezquita del Rey Abdul Aziz, built by Saudis who play or invest here and dedicated to their founding king.

All over Marbella and nearby Puerto Banus are other signals that modern-day Moors have joined the "peaceful invasion"; signs in flowing Arabic script point you to the Lebanese Delicatessen, the Banco Saudi-Espanol, the Near East Insurance Agency, to Arab doctors, a Muslim cemetery.

At Puerto Banus, Syrian-born Ahmed Mahayni, sales manager for Gray d'Albion, showed me the company's domed and turreted condominiums--a half-mile-long complex finished in marble and gold-tinted tile and commanding a view of the harbor's gleaming pleasure flotilla. I leaned toward Unit 507, a multi-level, four-bath, two-pool, hanging-garden extravaganza. But I had to admit that, at 1.5 million dollars, it was too tall for my purse. "We have smaller apartments, some for as little as $270,000," Mr. Mahayni said.

Near the Andalucia Plaza Casino, I sipped coffee with Mokhles "George" El-Khoury, a Christian Arab who moved to Puerto Banus from Beirut to run a building-management firm. "Andalusia reminds me of Lebanon--without the wars and politics," George said. "You have the mountains, the sea, the fine climate of olives and palm trees. The Spanish are a warm people, not stiff and formal like many Europeans. The food is much like ours, so is the shape of the houses and the towns. To an Arab--well, Andalusia feels like home."

Nowhere is this more true than in the old Muslim capital of Cordoba, where I spent my last Spanish days. I was awakened there early one morning by the clatter of workmen at the Mezquita across the street. From my window I watched a burly stonemason score a half-ton block with his screeching power saw, while another drove wedges into the kerf to split it off square. On wooden rollers they sweated it into a gap in the timeworn wall. Thus, for more than a thousand years, have Cordobans furbished their beloved Mezquita, first as mosque, then as cathedral.

No other artifact more richly evokes the golden age of the Moors, a stormy millennium that dovetailed two faiths, two cultures, two continents. Throughout, while king and sultan fought bitterly for the hand of Spain, ordinary life prospered as Arab, Visigoth, Castilian, and Berber worked together to forge the brilliant civilization that helped lead Europe out of the Dark Ages.

Ultimately the cross replaced the crescent. The Moors themselves faded into history, leaving behind their scattered dreams. But Spain and the West stand forever in their debt.

OWG in saying that today's Spaniards aren't White due to the Moors you are lining up with the Afrocentrists. Their line is that anyone who lived in Africa is an automatic Groid. They even state that Cleopatra was a negress despite the fact that we have sculptures of nearly all the Ptolemies, who originated in Macedonia and had no intermarriage with Egyptians. And the Egyptians were Hamites, not Negroids! As it happens the Moors were descendants of Germanic Visigoths/Vandals, Carthaginians, Latin colonists and Berbers. (The latter's closest genetic relations, according to Carleton Coon, reside in Ireland!). Also recent DNA studies show that genetic links with today's N. Africans also reside in Basque and other areas which the Moors never conquered--and these genes also show up in the UK! So what this means is that these genes were established pre-Moorish conquest and are in fact WHITE genes. What genuine Arabs did show up were a tiny leadership cadre who quickly got bred out. (Islam is not conducive to genetic integrity, especially for Arabs--just look at the present day members of the House of Saud [Saudi royals]--niggerized all).

As for "Song of Roland"'s anti-Groid sermon, like Caesar's "Gallic Wars" this was largely propaganda to scare the shit out of the Franks. Caesar famously laid it on that the Britons burned people in giant cages and held wives in common--an Iron Age "WMD" scare he used to drum up home-town aid for his conquest attempts. Similarly the "Song" tells of wild-ass niggers because, face it, no-one likes niggers, and otherwise there was little difference between the sides. What niggers there were in Moorish ranks were there for reasons niggers always are--to pour drinks and carry stuff. OWG--are you seriously saying that a load of coons conquered and subdued Spain for 700 YEARS??? Come on--it's insane on its face.

Look at, say, Jamaica. The Whites ran it for hundreds of years, and there are still a few quadroons around. Yet who would say it's a "White nation"?

When I visted Spain, Greece, ex-Yugo and Italy I was half-expecting the Nordick nightmare of troglodytic locals. Not only were they lighter and "Whiter" in fact they were NICER per person than the average GERMAN I met! Honestly, the Germans were the surprise (though no question they are White).

OWG in saying that today's Spaniards aren't White due to the Moors you are lining up with the Afrocentrists. Their line is that anyone who lived in Africa is an automatic Groid. They even state that Cleopatra was a negress despite the fact that we have sculptures of nearly all the Ptolemies, who originated in Macedonia and had no intermarriage with Egyptians. And the Egyptians were Hamites, not Negroids! As it happens the Moors were descendants of Germanic Visigoths/Vandals, Carthaginians, Latin colonists and Berbers. (The latter's closest genetic relations, according to Carleton Coon, reside in Ireland!). Also recent DNA studies show that genetic links with today's N. Africans also reside in Basque and other areas which the Moors never conquered--and these genes also show up in the UK! So what this means is that these genes were established pre-Moorish conquest and are in fact WHITE genes. What genuine Arabs did show up were a tiny leadership cadre who quickly got bred out. (Islam is not conducive to genetic integrity, especially for Arabs--just look at the present day members of the House of Saud [Saudi royals]--niggerized all).

As for "Song of Roland"'s anti-Groid sermon, like Caesar's "Gallic Wars" this was largely propaganda to scare the shit out of the Franks. Caesar famously laid it on that the Britons burned people in giant cages and held wives in common--an Iron Age "WMD" scare he used to drum up home-town aid for his conquest attempts. Similarly the "Song" tells of wild-ass niggers because, face it, no-one likes niggers, and otherwise there was little difference between the sides. What niggers there were in Moorish ranks were there for reasons niggers always are--to pour drinks and carry stuff. OWG--are you seriously saying that a load of coons conquered and subdued Spain for 700 YEARS??? Come on--it's insane on its face.

Look at, say, Jamaica. The Whites ran it for hundreds of years, and there are still a few quadroons around. Yet who would say it's a "White nation"?

When I visted Spain, Greece, ex-Yugo and Italy I was half-expecting the Nordick nightmare of troglodytic locals. Not only were they lighter and "Whiter" in fact they were NICER per person than the average GERMAN I met! Honestly, the Germans were the surprise (though no question they are White).

You are right....according to his propaganda, men like Hannibal and the Carthaginians would also be NEGROES. This is bullshit....he clearly has only one goal in mind, the extermination of the classification of "Mediterranean" from the White race.

that article is deeply affected by the boasian milieu or shall we say swamp that has become of anthropology, ambient with anti-aryan animus. of course they attribute the glory of spain to nonwhites. do you really believe that SHIT, OWG?

I dont dispute the influences of the Moors on architecture and language and many other things-- which for the record, are much attributable not to any fucking Arabs but to the GREEK knowledge they preserved as the western cities lapsed into the internecine warfare that characterized German tribes until OWG's Franks admittedly brought some order to Europe-- Franks, not visigoths by the way-- with the sword and CROSS that some others here say has done nothing good for the "White man..." but whatever the Arabs brought they probably didnt invent other than Arabic numerals which admittedly are better symols than Roman ones.

Somebody needs to get a life. :rolleyes:

that article is deeply affected by the boasian milieu or shall we say swamp that has become of anthropology, ambient with anti-aryan animus. of course they attribute the glory of spain to nonwhites. do you really believe that SHIT, OWG?

I dont dispute the influences of the Moors on architecture and language and many other things-- which for the record, are much attributable not to any fucking Arabs but to the GREEK knowledge they preserved as the western cities lapsed into the internecine warfare that characterized German tribes until OWG's Franks admittedly brought some order to Europe-- Franks, not visigoths by the way-- with the sword and CROSS that some others here say has done nothing good for the "White man..." but whatever the Arabs brought they probably didnt invent other than Arabic numerals which admittedly are better symols than Roman ones.
that article is deeply affected by the boasian milieu or shall we say swamp that has become of anthropology, ambient with anti-aryan animus. of course they attribute the glory of spain to nonwhites. do you really believe that SHIT, OWG?
Its not about belief. There are probably millions of documents that support Spain's arab history, yet only a few fringe people who hide in the shadows and claim otherwise.

Its not about belief. There are probably millions of documents that support Spain's arab history, yet only a few fringe people who hide in the shadows and claim otherwise.

Yes, some Spanish people have Arab ancestry...SOME...you act like every Spanish woman just spread her legs for every Moor in the country...don't be ridiculous.

Naw, its more like some Spaniards have Visigoth ancestry. The place was overrun by arabs. Dont forget that there were not millions of Visigoths back then, it was very easy to corrupt the blood of so few people, then for the resulted muds to breed to large numbers today through improvements in trade and agriculture.

Naw, its more like some Spaniards have Visigoth ancestry. The place was overrun by arabs. Dont forget that there were not millions of Visigoths back then, it was very easy to corrupt the blood of so few people, then for the resulted muds to breed to large numbers today through improvements in trade and agriculture.

Yeah, because the Visigoths were race-mixers. I'm sorry to burst your bubble about the Germanic tribes but unfortunately they did not erect racial boundaries.

A good example of a Spanish Arab is actress Penelope Cruz

http://www.famousbabes.com/pics118/penelopeC/penelopeC168.jpg

Definitely has the typical Arabic mouth and lips....

Its not about belief. There are probably millions of documents that support Spain's arab history, yet only a few fringe people who hide in the shadows and claim otherwise.

You are using afro-centric and interracialist sources. Abercrombie was a Nordic Moslem Arabist who exxagerated Arabic influence in everything.
His disgraceful ignorance in that article is obvious in that he ignores the fact that the White Berbers, not Arabs. let alone Blacks, were the principal people present in the Moslem armies that attacked Spain
But most devestatingly of all, the simple fact is this...no one, and I mean no one, has ever been able to post a picture of a natr5ive of Southern Europe that shows Non-White traits.
This whole approach has as much credibility as claiming Ugandans are not Black

Diablo

Yeah, because the Visigoths were race-mixers. I'm sorry to burst your bubble about the Germanic tribes but unfortunately they did not erect racial boundaries.

A good example of a Spanish Arab is actress Penelope Cruz

http://www.famousbabes.com/pics118/penelopeC/penelopeC168.jpg

Definitely has the typical Arabic mouth and lips....

Penelope is as pure an example of an Aryan as exists. There is no doubt that the original Aryans of Northern Iran looked much like her.
No offense, but I have never heard of "Arabic"mouth and lips.

diablo

I'm not arguing "Arab history" or the fact of Moorish conquest of Iberia, I'm arguing the notion that Spaniards are Moors. They arent.

There are White subraces, absolutely. I respect the desire of Nordics to maintain their distinctive phenotype. But the repeated notion that "meds are inferior" is bogus.

What a good study of the Moorish presence in Iberia will show is two very interesting things for our present struggle: a) how to fight and win a race war and b) you better make sure you get rid of the kikes pronto if you really want to call it a "win."

La Reina Catholica Isabella-- WN saint!

You are using afro-centric and interracialist sources. Abercrombie was a Nordic Moslem Arabist who exxagerated Arabic influence in everything.
His disgraceful ignorance in that article is obvious in that he ignores the fact that the White Berbers, not Arabs. let alone Blacks, were the principal people present in the Moslem armies that attacked Spain
But most devestatingly of all, the simple fact is this...no one, and I mean no one, has ever been able to post a picture of a natr5ive of Southern Europe that shows Non-White traits.
This whole approach has as much credibility as claiming Ugandans are not Black

Diablo
Your statements are sooooo funny, nonblanco. You are the lone person probably on this planet than believes that moors were white and spaniards are unmixed aryans. Yes you are right and the millions of stories and documents in the history archives are ALL wrong. Yes, thats right, YOU are the lone person on this earth that knows the TRUTH!

LOL! What a nut.

Map of african controlled spain in the year 711.

Notice up in the top middle area is the little slice that remains of the German Visigoth kingdom.
who are u ? one more diluted american racialist ? :D

Your statements are sooooo funny, nonblanco. You are the lone person probably on this planet than believes that moors were white and spaniards are unmixed aryans. Yes you are right and the millions of stories and documents in the history archives are ALL wrong. Yes, thats right, YOU are the lone person on this earth that knows the TRUTH!

LOL! What a nut. time for a history lesson... Aryan = Indo European ok?

The whole of Europe are a mix of Native European and IndoEuropean.. so who is " aryan " ? Old Europeans where present all over when IndoEuropeans settled... with other words all Europens are derived from old/Indo Europeans..

who are u ? one more diluted american racialist ? :D
No I am not diluted, I am a normal person that can understand that population growth and gene dispersion does not occur linearly but rather geometrically.

No I am not diluted, I am a normal person that can understand that population growth and gene dispersion does not occur linearly but rather geometrically. if u are normal you should worry about american purity instead.. judging from my last visit its by far the most racially diluted population I seen in any western nation... moreover this is visible on TV every night showing your " troops " in Iraq.. every second one is a baboon often darker than the Iraqies.. :D

if u are normal you should worry about american purity instead.. judging from my last visit its by far the most racially diluted population I seen in any western nation... moreover this is visible on TV every night showing your " troops " in Iraq.. every second one is a baboon often darker than the Iraqies.. :D
Thats what is called the "jewing of america".

I'm sure many White European countries have their share of token nogs....

Thats what is called the "jewing of america".

I'm sure many White European countries have their share of token nogs....
yes there are.. but I find it laughable that any of you can even utter a word about any European country considering the racial state of the US...

Us (White Nationalists) and the jewz are similar in numbers, but not in power....Aye! That's the rub!

Map of african controlled spain in the year 711.

Notice up in the top middle area is the little slice that remains of the German Visigoth kingdom. Shall we close this thread now ? just click diputados and chose betwen A-Z

http://www.congreso.es

Did any of you see the footage of the latest spanish catastrophe? Look at all those muds! Spain is not a white country, this I am sure of.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/03/11/spain.blasts/index.html

Small gallery of bleeding muds:
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/world/0403/gallery.spain.train/frameset.exclude.html

Picture of the average "white" spanish people, taken at random.
http://www.elpais.es/elpaismedia/ultimahora/media/200403/11/gente/20040311elpepuage_2_I_LCO.jpg

Just another random spaniard thrust into the spotlight.

http://www.abc.es/abc/pg040311/actualidad/nacional/nacional/media/200403/11/EXPLOSI.jpg

Oy vey! It reminds me of the Mediterranian.

BUT regardless of the mud content, there are Whites in Spain....just have to
filter the racially aware ones out....just like in most White countries.

Did any of you see the footage of the latest spanish catastrophe? Look at all those muds! Spain is not a white country, this I am sure of.

] fair enough.. so are we to draw the conclusion that US is not a white country mainly populated by MUDS based on pictures we see ? :D random pics are not representative in any way.. shoot a pic in London and then say that England is not a white country.. you are making a fool of yourself.. all WN organisations including the American ones rekognizes all Europeans as white or caucasian.. your agenda smells very suspect..

I agree with you on most of this. But it would be very EASY to take a photo in London, and say England is no longer a white country. London is a living heaving cess pool of mud and filth. Jews in the North, Niggers in the South, Paki's in the East, Homosexuals in the West. It is true that there are many great White Nationalists in the city. But I think they would admit that they hate it there. all this purity talk is just showing the insecurity of their roots.. nothing more.. he ( white goat ) is talking about whole nations.. as if all these nations had homogeneous pops.. if you where to create a solely nordic ( blond&blue eyed nation) you would have to pick people from every nation and exclude from every nation aswell..

Get me a picture of spanish whites!

I can provide a ton of pictures of whites from america, sweden, britian, etc.

How come I never see these spanish whites I keep hearing are so numerous its not even worth of question by me?

Get me a picture of spanish whites!

I can provide a ton of pictures of whites from america, sweden, britian, etc.

How come I never see these spanish whites I keep hearing are so numerous its not even worth of question by me?

How come we never see a picture of you, who we keep hearing is so pure and white?

Get me a picture of spanish whites!

I can provide a ton of pictures of whites from america, sweden, britian, etc.

How come I never see these spanish whites I keep hearing are so numerous its not even worth of question by me? here are some.. in return i ask you to present an american crowd where there are No niggs, meztzos, asians, ameriindians.. that I have NEVER seen.. :D

Get me a picture of spanish whites!

I can provide a ton of pictures of whites from america, sweden, britian, etc.

How come I never see these spanish whites I keep hearing are so numerous its not even worth of question by me? I think its time for you to focuse on your own intrernal problems wich are the following

Sociologist and anthropologist Robert Stuckert examined census and fertility data to estimate how many blacks in America had passed as white, and how many whites had African ancestry as a result. His statistical tables showed that during the 1940s, 15,550 light-skinned blacks per year crossed over to live as whites, for a total of about 155,500 for the decade. Based on these figures, he determined that by 1950, some 21% of whites (about 28 million people then) had black ancestry within the last four generations, and he predicted that this number would only grow in the decades to come.

Get me a picture of spanish whites!

I can provide a ton of pictures of whites from america, sweden, britian, etc.

How come I never see these spanish whites I keep hearing are so numerous its not even worth of question by me?

No offense, but you are the typical ignorant American.

Just another random spaniard thrust into the spotlight.




35 % of casualties and woundeds were inmigrants (most of them from South America).

Have you got any dark purpose talking on spaniards??

I can show you pics of white spaniards of the same masacre :

the man who cries is a spaniard the chicano on right is an inmigrant, back to them the blond guy is spaniard and the non white with cap is another inmigrant
http://ttd.cache.el-mundo.net/fotografia/2004/03/atentados/imagenes/caos01.jpg

http://www.elpais.es/elpaismedia/ultimahora/media/200403/11/espana/20040311elpepunac_41_I_LCO.jpg

If I watch a NBA match I could take the same conclusions about the racial background of the americans.

I figured OWG would see it that way. I didnt. Not when I was there and not from the televitz. Of course I did see many auslanders there and Spain is not alone in the recent ballooning of miscegenates.

I have the deepest sympathy for the average Spaniard who has been punished for the Spanish regime's slavish adherence to Israeli interests and leadership.

Best electoral result would be a weak left coalition including a resurgent falange, which ousts Aznar's party and clearly identifies the issue of Jewish power.

here are some.. in return i ask you to present an american crowd where there are No niggs, meztzos, asians, ameriindians.. that I have NEVER seen.. :D
Minnesota state fair 2003

Now get me a picture of spaniards that looks like this crowd. Go out with your camera and shoot some pictures if you must. I'll be waiting.

http://www.ospolitics.org/socialeyes/images/crowd-thumb.jpg

Minnesota state fair 2003

Now get me a picture of spaniards that looks like this crowd. Go out with your camera and shoot some pictures if you must. I'll be waiting.

http://www.ospolitics.org/socialeyes/images/crowd-thumb.jpg

What a nice looking crowd of white folks. Very fair folk indeed. I dont see what that proves about Spain. Irrelevant.

Of course I have brown eyes and dark hair, so why should you consider my ignorant opinion? I defer to OWG's superior everythingness.

here are some.. in return i ask you to present an american crowd where there are No niggs, meztzos, asians, ameriindians.. that I have NEVER seen.. :D
Here is another one for you. Now Im waiting for your best white crowd from spain.

http://www.byu.edu/2002/news/honor/crowd.jpg

wow. that picture of american college kids really proves spaniards are not white. I retract all my comments. I have seen the light of OWG and repent my earlier heresies against this self evident truth.

I wish OWG well in obtaining Icelandic citizenship. I hear they only want asylum seekers from the turd world. Your love for the pure Nordic type may be unfairly unrequited.

Here is another one for you. Now Im waiting for your best white crowd from spain.


Dear kike : You can use google and select the pics which are interesting for your targets , clown.
You , kikes, are death.

Here is another one for you. Now Im waiting for your best white crowd from spain.

http://www.byu.edu/2002/news/honor/crowd.jpg

Keep in mind that about 60% of White kids just like these surveyed recently have no problem with interracial dating...keep living in the fantasy world that someone's blue eyes makes them loyal to the White Race...you will need that fantasy to help you sleep at night. My dad works in the State government of Virginia and he has seen some recent statistics on the musical tastes of White teens and 75% of them like either Rap or Hip-Hop....

I've seen the Nordic future and it has a long road of Black cock ahead of it.

Here is another one for you. Now Im waiting for your best white crowd from spain.

http://www.byu.edu/2002/news/honor/crowd.jpg

I have seen at least three Non-Whites in that pic.

This argument reminds me of the witch scene in 'Monty Python and the Holy Grail" Except replace Witch with non-white, jew etc


MONKS: [chanting]
Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem.
[bonk]
Pie Iesu domine,...
[bonk]
...dona eis requiem.
[bonk]
Pie Iesu domine,...
[bonk]
...dona eis requiem.
CROWD:
A witch! A witch!
[bonk]
A witch! A witch!
MONKS: [chanting]
Pie Iesu domine...
CROWD:
A witch! A witch! A witch! A witch! We've found a witch! A witch! A witch! A witch! A witch! We've got a witch! A witch! A witch! Burn her! Burn her!
Burn her! We've found a witch! We've found a witch! A witch! A witch! A witch!
VILLAGER #1:
We have found a witch. May we burn her?
CROWD:
Burn her! Burn! Burn her! Burn her!
BEDEVERE:
How do you know she is a witch?
VILLAGER #2:
She looks like one.
CROWD:
Right! Yeah! Yeah!
BEDEVERE:
Bring her forward.
WITCH:
I'm not a witch. I'm not a witch.
BEDEVERE:
Uh, but you are dressed as one.
WITCH:
They dressed me up like this.
CROWD:
Augh, we didn't! We didn't...
WITCH:
And this isn't my nose. It's a false one.
BEDEVERE:
Well?
VILLAGER #1:
Well, we did do the nose.
BEDEVERE:
The nose?
VILLAGER #1:
And the hat, but she is a witch!
VILLAGER #2:
Yeah!
CROWD:
We burn her! Right! Yeaaah! Yeaah!
BEDEVERE:
Did you dress her up like this?
VILLAGER #1:
No!
VILLAGER #2 and 3:
No. No.
VILLAGER #2:
No.
VILLAGER #1:
No.
VILLAGERS #2 and #3:
No.
VILLAGER #1:
Yes.
VILLAGER #2:
Yes.
VILLAGER #1:
Yes. Yeah, a bit.
VILLAGER #3:
A bit.
VILLAGERS #1 and #2:
A bit.
VILLAGER #3:
A bit.
VILLAGER #1:
She has got a wart.
RANDOM:
[cough]
BEDEVERE:
What makes you think she is a witch?
VILLAGER #3:
Well, she turned me into a newt.
BEDEVERE:
A newt?
VILLAGER #3:
I got better.
VILLAGER #2:
Burn her anyway!
VILLAGER #1:
Burn!
CROWD:
Burn her! Burn! Burn her!...
BEDEVERE:
Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.
VILLAGER #1:
Are there?
VILLAGER #2:
Ah?
VILLAGER #1:
What are they?
CROWD:
Tell us! Tell us!...
VILLAGER #2:
Do they hurt?
BEDEVERE:
Tell me. What do you do with witches?
VILLAGER #2:
Burn!
VILLAGER #1:
Burn!
CROWD:
Burn! Burn them up! Burn!...
BEDEVERE:
And what do you burn apart from witches?
VILLAGER #1:
More witches!
VILLAGER #3:
Shh!
VILLAGER #2:
Wood!
BEDEVERE:
So, why do witches burn?
[pause]
VILLAGER #3:
B--... 'cause they're made of... wood?
BEDEVERE:
Good! Heh heh.
CROWD:
Oh, yeah. Oh.
BEDEVERE:
So, how do we tell whether she is made of wood?
VILLAGER #1:
Build a bridge out of her.
BEDEVERE:
Ah, but can you not also make bridges out of stone?
VILLAGER #1:
Oh, yeah.
RANDOM:
Oh, yeah. True. Uhh...
BEDEVERE:
Does wood sink in water?
VILLAGER #1:
No. No.
VILLAGER #2:
No, it floats! It floats!
VILLAGER #1:
Throw her into the pond!
CROWD:
The pond! Throw her into the pond!
BEDEVERE:
What also floats in water?
VILLAGER #1:
Bread!
VILLAGER #2:
Apples!
VILLAGER #3:
Uh, very small rocks!
VILLAGER #1:
Cider!
VILLAGER #2:
Uh, gra-- gravy!
VILLAGER #1:
Cherries!
VILLAGER #2:
Mud!
VILLAGER #3:
Uh, churches! Churches!
VILLAGER #2:
Lead! Lead!
ARTHUR:
A duck!
CROWD:
Oooh.
BEDEVERE:
Exactly. So, logically...
VILLAGER #1:
If... she... weighs... the same as a duck,... she's made of wood.
BEDEVERE:
And therefore?
VILLAGER #2:
A witch!
VILLAGER #1:
A witch!
CROWD:
A witch! A witch!...
VILLAGER #4:
Here is a duck. Use this duck.
[quack quack quack]
BEDEVERE:
Very good. We shall use my largest scales.
CROWD:
Ohh! Ohh! Burn the witch! Burn the witch! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Ahh! Ahh...
BEDEVERE:
Right. Remove the supports!
[whop]
[clunk]
[creak]
CROWD:
A witch! A witch! A witch!
WITCH:
It's a fair cop.
VILLAGER #3:
Burn her!
CROWD:
Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn! Burn!...
BEDEVERE:
Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?
ARTHUR:
I am Arthur, King of the Britons.

I have seen at least three Non-Whites in that pic from Minnesotta, the whitter state in USA. Would I like to see pics from other american states that are clearly less white?

I have seen at least three Non-Whites in that pic from Minnesotta, the whitter state in USA. Would I like to see pics from other american states that are clearly less white?

This Old White Goat fucker is boring me to death. All this pure Nordics this and that blah, blah, blah....who gives a shit? Half of the Nordics these days are too busy kissing black butt to give a damn about their race and he's showing pictures of White College kids like that proves something??? Yeah, White Nigger-Lovers because that's what most people under 25 are in the Western World, NIGGER-LOVERS...and we need to stop trying to hide the truth....these kids were born and bred on JEW MTV.....I dare Old White Goat to go up to a crowd like the Whites in that picture and say the word "Nigger", they would insult him and call him "uneducated" "trash".......

Here is another one for you. Now Im waiting for your best white crowd from spain.

http://www.byu.edu/2002/news/honor/crowd.jpg Listen Mr Eminem... we Europeans dont need anyone with the mental capacity of jay leno to evaluate us.. do you think this is some kind of internet pageant contest ? the character of your thread and your obcession with whiteness makes me seriously doubt that you are even caucasian.. rather just a Goat.. :D

Listen Mr Eminem... we Europeans dont need anyone with the mental capacity of jay leno to evaluate us.. do you think this is some kind of internet pageant contest ? the character of your thread and your obcession with whiteness makes me seriously doubt that you are even caucasian.. rather just a Goat.. :D

What's funny is that Goatboy fancies himself some sort of a "geneticist"(he claims he learned "genetics" at "Texas A&M & on the farm", I am not bullshitting you. Look it up!) and modern genetics has pretty much established that the frequencies of Middle Eastern and North African lineages in Spain are quite small, lower, in fact, than in many other areas of Europe:

http://www.angeltowns.com/members/racialreal/spaniards.html

http://www.angeltowns.com/members/racialreal/neolithic.html

I don't know where all this Blonde Hair n Blue Eyed shit comes from. I always thought that was anti and jew propaganda, to make people think we are a bunch of headbangers! Surely the only requirement is to be WHITE.

My friend Heaven Above posted about nationalists in Spain. I wish them success, and wouldn't dream of saying they are not white.

As a white nationalist, I would personaly advocate expelling people from our shores. Jews, Homosexuals, and non whites. :)
Your country, is next after Spain, to bathe in blood to atone for her racial sins

I am spaniard, my name and my surname are spanish, a have blue eyes and blonde hair. We fight for 800 years againts the moors, and the spanish inquisition get out every spaniard with moor and jew blood of Spain.
Come to Asturias and see you self what race we are.
Putos yankis de mierda, que os creeis mas blancos que los europeos de pura cepa como los españoles, que en vuestro pais la proporcion de raza blanca es inferior a la de españa (un 90 %, el otro 10 % son inmigrantes y gitanos)

northwest africans migrated across to iberia then on to the british isles .. a small, thin dark pigmented people for a lack of better name, anthropologists use "iberians" ... neither white nor black, which represent superficial socially constructed categories, without genetic validity ... so over 20,000 years, lots of "races" migrated through iberia, from south to north, & vice versa, while many groups from the west also crossed the mounains

so too many arrived by sea, as the phoenicians from asia minor who founded port cities cadiz, to trade for silver,

in short an enormous range of humanity crossed paths in iberia over millennia, creating a multi-layered lasagna of genetic material ..

characterisics of mediterranean peoples are such a melange of afro-asian peoples ... remember the celts originted in what is now uzbekistan, migrating west over centuries, & were still found red headed in kansu as late as the 10th century speaking tokarian A .. germans, tribal wanderers, drifted west from the forests taiga of siberia, followed by the slavs settling the forest-steppe edges ... all pushed by a relentless pulse of central asia, iranians, huns, turks, mongols, and an almost limitless mix of peoples flowing in all directions over the steppe, raiding & settling & mixing genes ...

as current research in spatial genetic drift by l. cavelli-sforza... shows, , well more lasagna ..

anthropology is a great discipline once you actully get deep enough

Putos yankis de mierda, que os creeis mas blancos que los europeos de pura cepa como los españoles, que en vuestro pais la proporcion de raza blanca es inferior a la de españa (un 90 %, el otro 10 % son inmigrantes y gitanos)

My translation:

You faggot Yankee shits think you are whiter than the Europeans of pure stock like the Spaniards. In your country the proportion of whites is lower than in Spain (90% and the other 10% are immigrants and gypsies).


His English is tolerable, wonder why he had to write the last paragraph in Spanish...:confused:

northwest africans migrated across to iberia then on to the british isles .. a small, thin dark pigmented people for a lack of better name, anthropologists use "iberians" ... neither white nor black, which represent superficial socially constructed categories, without genetic validity ... so over 20,000 years, lots of "races" migrated through iberia, from south to north, & vice versa, while many groups from the west also crossed the mounains

so too many arrived by sea, as the phoenicians from asia minor who founded port cities cadiz, to trade for silver,

in short an enormous range of humanity crossed paths in iberia over millennia, creating a multi-layered lasagna of genetic material ..

characterisics of mediterranean peoples are such a melange of afro-asian peoples ... remember the celts originted in what is now uzbekistan, migrating west over centuries, & were still found red headed in kansu as late as the 10th century speaking tokarian A .. germans, tribal wanderers, drifted west from the forests taiga of siberia, followed by the slavs settling the forest-steppe edges ... all pushed by a relentless pulse of central asia, iranians, huns, turks, mongols, and an almost limitless mix of peoples flowing in all directions over the steppe, raiding & settling & mixing genes ...

as current research in spatial genetic drift by l. cavelli-sforza... shows, , well more lasagna ..

anthropology is a great discipline once you actully get deep enough

Leroy, you be studyin' da anthropology an sheeit? Nigga pleeze.

I am spaniard, my name and my surname are spanish, a have blue eyes and blonde hair. We fight for 800 years againts the moors, and the spanish inquisition get out every spaniard with moor and jew blood of Spain.
Come to Asturias and see you self what race we are.
Putos yankis de mierda, que os creeis mas blancos que los europeos de pura cepa como los españoles, que en vuestro pais la proporcion de raza blanca es inferior a la de españa (un 90 %, el otro 10 % son inmigrantes y gitanos)

No le des atencion, hermano, es justo lo que buscan. Sabemos que los Espanoles tambien son parte de la raza blanca. Estos idiotas a los cual le llaman "nerdicist" son la mierda del movimineto racial.

It's my understanding that the Celts originated in Austria. The Germans come from Southern Sweden, as Tacitus noted. Slavs originated in the Carpathians.

I think this Wazzup wigger is another reincarnation of spanish warrior.

I concur. He's had many names here but his theme remains constant.


I think this Wazzup wigger is another reincarnation of spanish warrior.

well i don't know about spaniards, but here's what this says:

At the other extreme, the African slaves shipped across the Mediterranean to Europe were promptly assimilated. As a result, sub-Saharan DNA is scattered throughout the European continent. Not every population has been studied yet, but enough have so that a picture is starting to emerge. The amount of black admixture in Europe today ranges from few percentage in Iberia to a greater percent around the Baltic.[8] It seems to show a increasing clime from the southwest to the northeast, which corresponds with the areas most affected by the slave trade. For details, (see Sub-Saharan DNA admixture in Europe.)

here's link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_%28people%29#Who_is_Black.3F

and in the U.S up to 1/3 of white's have traceable african ancestry

No le des atencion, hermano, es justo lo que buscan. Sabemos que los Espanoles tambien son parte de la raza blanca. Estos idiotas a los cual le llaman "nerdicist" son la mierda del movimineto racial.

If it is not too much trouble Pedro could you please post in English because I for one cannot be arsed to type your words into an on line translator!;)

well i don't know about spaniards, but here's what this says:

At the other extreme, the African slaves shipped across the Mediterranean to Europe were promptly assimilated. As a result, sub-Saharan DNA is scattered throughout the European continent. Not every population has been studied yet, but enough have so that a picture is starting to emerge. The amount of black admixture in Europe today ranges from few percentage in Iberia to a greater percent around the Baltic.[8] It seems to show a increasing clime from the southwest to the northeast, which corresponds with the areas most affected by the slave trade. For details, (see Sub-Saharan DNA admixture in Europe.)

here's link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_%28people%29#Who_is_Black.3F

and in the U.S up to 1/3 of white's have traceable african ancestry

Nice to see that you get your information from `trusted` Jewish sources!;)
The evidence of one`s eyes demonstrates that it is in the south of Europe not the north that miscegenation historically has been a problem.
Most Spanish tourists who visit England stick out like a sore thumb.One can tell instantly that they are not like the rest of us.The nigger element is quite strong in most of them.That is a fact,whether it is palatable is another issue!

Unfortunately, it's becoming a big problem in the north too. Another muddy people are the Portuguese. I have never met one that didn't have nigger eyeballs. They could be white with red hair and still have nigger eyes. Weird.

Yes the Wikipedia article has it ass-backwards. By the author's logic the further away from Africa, the more niggers. By that reasoning Siberia is full of them. In truth, there was a great deal of negro slave trading in Iberia, especially Portugal, and little or none in the Baltic area.

"Blade" is not one of us.

Nice to see that you get your information from `trusted` Jewish sources!;)
The evidence of one`s eyes demonstrates that it is in the south of Europe not the north that miscegenation historically has been a problem.
Most Spanish tourists who visit England stick out like a sore thumb.One can tell instantly that they are not like the rest of us.The nigger element is quite strong in most of them.That is a fact,whether it is palatable is another issue!

Slaves were used in the New World, not the Old World. From the end of the Roman Empire to the 15th century, the only black slaves one reads about are the 'blue men' that the Vikings traded. Presumably there weren't many of them. North African Moors (who were not niggers, contrary to the Negrophile myths about Othello, et al.) and other Asiatic Mediterranean elements seem to comprise the race-mixed element of the Western Mediterranean and Greece.
Serbs are remarkably white, considering the contrast with Serbia's neighbour, Greece. Some Greeks can pass for Iranian. My conclusion: I blame the Roman empire. Serbia was part of the Roman empire (Illyria), but it was not considered a particularly hospitable area, unlike Spain (the home of Seneca), Italy, Greece and Egypt. Juvenal bewailed the flood of Syrians in Rome c.100AD, going so far as to write a satire on 'the last Roman in Rome'.

Yes the Wikipedia article has it ass-backwards. By the author's logic the further away from Africa, the more niggers. By that reasoning Siberia is full of them. In truth, there was a great deal of negro slave trading in Iberia, especially Portugal, and little or none in the Baltic area.

"Blade" is not one of us.

Hey MOMUS, I hope I don't give you a heart attack, but I agree with you on this one.

Folks should keep in mind that anyone can post a "scholarly" article on Wikipedia. The article in question is obviously Afro-centric bullshit. DNA studies of modern Europeans show that there is very little nigger or mid-East ancestry -- even in Southern and Eastern Europe.

The Portuguese show some nigger mixtures -- Portugal was the only European country where nigger slaves were common. Russia shows some Mongol mixtures -- the further East and South the more you find. Again, only small percentages of the respective populations show any admixture.

Nice to see that you get your information from `trusted` Jewish sources!;)
The evidence of one`s eyes demonstrates that it is in the south of Europe not the north that miscegenation historically has been a problem.
Most Spanish tourists who visit England stick out like a sore thumb.One can tell instantly that they are not like the rest of us.The nigger element is quite strong in most of them.That is a fact,whether it is palatable is another issue!

Unfortunately for your delusional theories, of which you present no genetic evidence, the "nigger element" as you call it is more pronounced in England than in any other part of Europe. That's what that little thing called genetics says. If the rising number of biracial mongrels in your nation are any indication to go by then it seems that Brit women practically throw themselves at the feet of the apes. I'm not too happy about it but if you call that your home then maybe you ought to get up off your computer and start waking some of your people up.You want to know what Spaniards and Italians think of blacks? Just attend a soccer game and see for yourself how they pelt the apes with bannanas and all but run them off the pitch. I never hear of the English fans doing that.

For those of you not savvy to the armchair dweeb that is Aryan Lord, here's a picture of the revered racial activist himself;)

http://i4.tinypic.com/10yq6b4.jpg

I would be willing to wager my left nut that you will find more English women pushing around their nigger and mud kids in their cities, than you will find Spanish doing the same in their country. I read an article a few months back that stated 40+% of niggers in the UK are fucking an English bitch.

Unfortunately for your delusional theories, of which you present no genetic evidence, the "nigger element" as you call it is more pronounced in England than in any other part of Europe. That's what that little thing called genetics says. If the rising number of biracial mongrels in your nation are any indication to go by then it seems that Brit women practically throw themselves at the feet of the apes. I'm not too happy about it but if you call that your home then maybe you ought to get up off your computer and start waking some of your people up.You want to know what Spaniards and Italians think of blacks? Just attend a soccer game and see for yourself how they pelt the apes with bannanas and all but run them off the pitch. I never hear of the English fans doing that.


My `delusional theories`? There is a common concensus on this forum as well as any other nationalist ones that Spaniards in the main are little more than arabs.I realise that there are exceptions to the rule and even in Latin American countries it is still possible to find a Nordic phenotype but this is rare and is often confined to the nobility who are more likely to have kept their blood pure.
I find it difficult to imagine that after 700 years of Arab and negro domination from the 8th to the 15th centuries that Spain has not succombed to large scale miscegenation.
I refer to Lothrop Stoppard writing in 1924 in `Racial Realities in Europe`,
"In fact,the population of present-day Spain is racially far more Mediterranean than it was some centuries ago,owing to the virtual disappearance of its once numerous Nordic element."[page 117]
Stoppard links the collapse of Spain as a first rate power in the mid 17th century to her declining Nordic population.It has effectively become mongrelised,especially in the south.
Charles Morris in his `The Aryan Race` splits the Aryan race into two distinct halves.He regards southern Europeans as being a caucasian-negroid hybrid.

This is what Arthur Kemp had to say about mongrelisation in Spain.

http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/hwr22.htm
Spanish colonial policy was different from colonial policies being pursued by other White nations in Europe (with the exception of Portugal, which followed the Spanish example).

Instead of colonizing their acquisitions with millions of their own people, the Spanish used their colonial possessions purely as economic resources. Spanish men who went to South America, the Caribbean or even North America, did not take families or Spanish women with them. The result was a massive degree of mixing with the local populations in the Spanish colonies, producing an overwhelmingly mixed race population still prevalent in Central and Southern America.

In addition to this, the Spaniards, like most other European nations, became users of Black slaves in its colonies - millions of Blacks were imported to South and Central America, adding a further dimension to the racial mix in those territories.

However, also in common with Portugal, a large number of Black slaves were imported into Spain itself. It is a matter of debate exactly how many of these slaves were absorbed into the Spanish population, and this admixture has contributed to the mixed race element found in Spain today.

GYPSIES - SPAIN'S FIVE CENTURIES LONG IMMIGRATION INVASION

As if the Black slaves and Moorish occupation was not enough, Spain's racial character has also been significantly affected by a five century long immigration of Gypsies, dark wandering nomads who had their origin in India itself. The Gypsies spread throughout Europe but concentrated in Spain and Romania, where their numbers are in the millions.

In Spain, the Gypsies occupied large areas to the point where significant parts of what is thought of as Spanish culture - for example the "Flamenco" dance - is in fact Gypsy in origin. In this way, much of what is regarded as Spanish is actually Gypsy, and it can be argued with a fair degree of certainty that the Gypsy element in Spain's current mixed race population is very high - possibly even a majority, given that the Spaniards expelled both Moors and other mixed race elements during that country’s history.

The official 1992 estimate of the number of Gypsies in Spain was around 600,000 - like all official figures, it is most likely an underestimation and does not include the vast number of mixed race Spanish/Gypsy people who display the classic "dark" appearance so incorrectly associated with true Spaniards.

It would however be incorrect to paint every single Spaniard with this same brush - many Spaniards did not mix with either the Moors, Black slaves or the Gypsies. These people remained strongest in the north of Spain.

I agree that multiracialism is a problem among both my peoples,the English and Germans but it is not as engrained as in Spain where practically the whole country has suffered from miscegenation to one degree or another.
Where do you think the typical brown-skinned,oily black-haired,dark-eyed Spanish phenotype comes from? Do you really think that the Spanish were always this way? Of course not:it is a warning from a history.A warning that we all need to take seriously for the same fate awaits all of Europa.
Also be aware that in Germany and England there are strict race-hate laws that would cause the behaviour that you advocate to result in stiff prison sentences.
My intention is not to offend but as always to inform.Sometimes the truth may be painful but that does not make it any less the truth.Deep down you must realise that.

I would be willing to wager my left nut that you will find more English women pushing around their nigger and mud kids in their cities, than you will find Spanish doing the same in their country. I read an article a few months back that stated 40+% of niggers in the UK are fucking an English bitch.

Do you live in England Grocer and talk from experience or just out of your arse as usual?
When I see a throng of Spanish tourists I can see that they are Spanish before I hear them.Most of them exhibit dark,swarthy features and stand out in contrast to everyone else.
The cities in England as in any other western European country are in chaos.But in the countryside black or brown faces are still a rarity and may I say,unwelcome.It is called the white flight.Let the Untermenschen live in the squalor of the inner cities but we will take the countryside-real England.
No-one can mistake a Germanic person for a nigger but I cannot honestly say the same for a Spaniard.They are just not like us at all.They are brown!

Do you live in England Grocer and talk from experience or just out of your arse as usual?
When I see a throng of Spanish tourists I can see that they are Spanish before I hear them.Most of them exhibit dark,swarthy features and stand out in contrast to everyone else.
The cities in England as in any other western European country are in chaos.But in the countryside black or brown faces are still a rarity and may I say,unwelcome.It is called the white flight.Let the Untermenschen live in the squalor of the inner cities but we will take the countryside-real England.
No-one can mistake a Germanic person for a nigger but I cannot honestly say the same for a Spaniard.They are just not like us at all.They are brown!

Sure, there are plenty of Spaniards who are dark skinned and have black hair, I've never denied that. The only reason there isn't as much race mixing in the small towns of England is because the number of niggers around is small. If my memory is right the nigger who bombed the subway in London was married to a White English woman from a small town in England.

People who described their ethnic group as ‘Other Black’, largely young Black people born in Britain, were the next most likely to be married to someone outside their ethnic group, followed by Black Caribbean people. Almost five in ten Other Black men (48 per cent) and three in ten Black Caribbean men (29 per cent) were married to women outside the Black ethnic group, in most cases White women.

These statistics are staggering, and that only takes into account married folk, and not those having other relationships.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1090

The Grocer]Sure, there are plenty of Spaniards who are dark skinned and have black hair, I've never denied that. The only reason there isn't as much race mixing in the small towns of England is because the number of niggers around is small. If my memory is right the nigger who bombed the subway in London was married to a White English woman from a small town in England.


You do not live in England Grocer and therefore you can no more comment with authority on the country as I can on the USA or Canada.All you are able to do is latch on to a batch of statistics and you know what they say about statistics?:rolleyes:
You are wrong about your contention that it is only the lack of niggers in rural England that has not resulted in any significant race-mixing.It is more than that:it is about attitudes and identity.Rural people in England[as in America] are extremely conservative and are resistant to cultural change.Change is always a factor in the city but not in the countryside.Little changes.Niggers by and large are not made to feel welcome in the country towns and villages and they stick out like a sore thumb.Consequently they don`t stay long.
England has a very long way to go before it catches up with the very diverse
melting pot/hell-hole of the USA.

You do not live in England Grocer and therefore you can no more comment with authority on the country as I can on the USA or Canada.All you are able to do is latch on to a batch of statistics and you know what they say about statistics?:rolleyes:
You are wrong about your contention that it is only the lack of niggers in rural England that has not resulted in any significant race-mixing.It is more than that:it is about attitudes and identity.Rural people in England[as in America] are extremely conservative and are resistant to cultural change.Change is always a factor in the city but not in the countryside.Little changes.Niggers by and large are not made to feel welcome in the country towns and villages and they stick out like a sore thumb.Consequently they don`t stay long.
England has a very long way to go before it catches up with the very diverse
melting pot/hell-hole of the USA.

I somewhat disagree with your observations. Conservative attitudes and the overall lack of niggers play a factor. The USA is worse of than England at the time, but you also have to realize the USA has had a sizable nigger population for hundreds of years, while England has not. It's no secret some of your women have been very welcoming to niggers. Your women are very liberal when it comes to sex, nations like Greece and Spain have had problems with people from your country having public sex and other deviant behavior on their beaches.

I somewhat disagree with your observations. Conservative attitudes and the overall lack of niggers play a factor. The USA is worse of than England at the time, but you also have to realize the USA has had a sizable nigger population for hundreds of years, while England has not. It's no secret some of your women have been very welcoming to niggers. Your women are very liberal when it comes to sex, nations like Greece and Spain have had problems with people from your country having public sex and other deviant behavior on their beaches.

Grocer,

Firstly I would like to say that you have ignored an important statistical factor in your previous post and that is 98% of marriages are between people of the same ethnic group.The intermarriage rate stands at only 2%.I have no reason to believe that the general co-habitation rate is any different as marriages these days usually stem from co-habitations.

Here at the figures in full:

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1090
Inter-ethnic marriages form a very small proportion of all marriages in England and Wales as a whole - 2 per cent.

There were 10.3 million married couples in England and Wales on census day in 2001. The vast majority of these marriages, 98 per cent, were between people from the same ethnic background, where ethnic background is defined as White, Mixed, Asian, Black, Chinese, or Other ethnic group.

Two per cent of marriages were between people from different ethnic backgrounds (219,000). Of these inter-ethnic marriages, most (198,000) included a White person. In the remaining 21,000 inter-ethnic marriages both partners were from different minority ethnic backgrounds.

The most common inter-ethnic marriages were between White and Mixed race people, 26 per cent of all inter-ethnic marriages. Marriages between a White person and someone who described their ethnic group as ‘Other’ were the next most common (15 per cent), followed by White and Black Caribbean marriages (12 per cent), and White and Indian marriages (11 per cent).

Percentage of married people in inter-ethnic marriages, by ethnic group and sex, April 2001, England & Wales
Percentage of married people in inter-ethnic marriages, by ethnic group and sex, April 2001, England & Wales


People from the Mixed ethnic group were the most likely to be married to someone outside their ethnic group (78 per cent). The Mixed ethnic group is relatively small and there are limited opportunities to marry someone from the same ethnic group. However, mixed race people are often married to someone from a related ethnic group. For example, among men who described their own ethnic group as ‘Mixed - White and Black Caribbean’, 76 per cent were married to White women, 8 per cent to Black Caribbean women and 11 per cent to ‘Mixed – White and Black Caribbean’ women.

Among people who described their ethnic group as ‘Other’, 56 per cent of women and 34 per cent of men had married outside their ethnic group and most had married a White person. This Other group includes people from the Philippine Islands, Malaysia, Japan, Vietnam and various middle-eastern countries.

People who described their ethnic group as ‘Other Black’, largely young Black people born in Britain, were the next most likely to be married to someone outside their ethnic group, followed by Black Caribbean people. Almost five in ten Other Black men (48 per cent) and three in ten Black Caribbean men (29 per cent) were married to women outside the Black ethnic group, in most cases White women.

People from South Asian backgrounds were the least likely of the minority ethnic groups to be married to someone from a different ethnic group. Only 6 per cent of Indians, 4 per cent of Pakistanis, and 3 per cent of Bangladeshis had married someone outside the Asian group. As well as cultural and racial differences, people from South Asian backgrounds generally have different religions to people from other ethnic groups which may explain their relatively low inter-marriage rate. People who described their ethnicity as ‘Other Asian’ were more likely to have married a non-Asian person (18 per cent).

Although most inter-ethnic marriages include a White person, White people are the least likely to be married to someone outside their ethnic group – only 1 per cent of White men or women had done so. White people form the majority population in England and Wales (91 per cent) and consequently there are limited opportunities to marry people from a minority ethnic group. This is particularly true for people living outside London, where the minority ethnic population is often very small.

Patterns of inter-ethnic marriage were similar for men and women. Exceptions were that Black women were less likely than Black men to have married outside their ethnic group, and Chinese women were more likely than Chinese men to have done so.

I do agree with you that some of the lower sort of young people including women are very poor ambassadors for the country when they holiday abroad and in my opinion they should be deprived of their passports for they are a disgrace and an embarrassment.However they need to be seen as the minority that they are.
On a lighter note I do like your new avatar! Very Edgar Allen Poe,an admireable novelist.

Grocer,

Firstly I would like to say that you have ignored an important statistical factor in your previous post and that is 98% of marriages are between people of the same ethnic group.The intermarriage rate stands at only 2%.I have no reason to believe that the general co-habitation rate is any different as marriages these days usually stem from co-habitations.

Here at the figures in full:


I do agree with you that some of the lower sort of young people including women are very poor ambassadors for the country when they holiday abroad and in my opinion they should be deprived of their passports for they are a disgrace and an embarrassment.However they need to be seen as the minority that they are.
On a lighter note I do like your new avatar! Very Edgar Allen Poe,an admireable novelist.

The UK, particularly England, has the highest miscegenation rate in Europe. London is now a third world pest hole no different from Calcutta. The numbers of British girls in London dragging their muddlings behind them is truly shocking.

The UK government has proudly announced that the The Formerly Great Britain will have a non-White majority in less than 100 years -- the first European Country to slide into mud-ism.

Sorry to say, but the UK is a lost cause.

The UK, particularly England, has the highest miscegenation rate in Europe. London is now a third world pest hole no different from Calcutta. The numbers of British girls in London dragging their muddlings behind them is truly shocking.

We see that everywhere now. Took the wife to Amish country sometime back. The area was all German, white, clean. Who the FUCK let the Somalians settle in nearly the same area? Now they're running amuck and messing with Amish gals.

We'll see how serious the old order Amish are about their "pacifism" real soon. :p

Back to the Spaniards: The might just end up lucky. The US and UK are picking up the dregs, face it. At least Spain's dusky genetic endowments include the Moors. We might not care for them either. But those Moorish fuckers knew how to fight.

The UK, particularly England, has the highest miscegenation rate in Europe. London is now a third world pest hole no different from Calcutta. The numbers of British girls in London dragging their muddlings behind them is truly shocking.

The UK government has proudly announced that the The Formerly Great Britain will have a non-White majority in less than 100 years -- the first European Country to slide into mud-ism.

Sorry to say, but the UK is a lost cause.

Fissile,whilst I am aware of the perilous dangers that confront our race I still have to take issue with some of your statements.
First of all the statistics will show some variation between Britain and the USA due to the fact that in Britain we have different immigrant population groups than in the USA and so comparing for instance intermarriage rates between Afro-Americans and White Americans with Black-Caribeans and White British people will show a distortion because Britain proportionately has a higher population of caribean people than the USA but that does not imply that more White British people intermarry than say White Americans.
It is simply not possible to properly compare like for like due to different categorisations.Therefore we can only speak in general terms.
The following study may be of interest to you and certainly highlights the problems entailed in comparisons between the two countries.

http://www.umass.edu/sadri/pdf/WP/WP6%20-%20Model%20Fisher.pdf

Please note that the white population of Britain stood at 94.4% and the white population of the USA at only 75.7% at the time of the study.The figures will need adjustment to take into account more recent census information but the trends are clear.
In Britain only 2% of marriages are interracial.I very much doubt that the USA or any European country can boast of a lower figure.However I am prepared to consider any alternative evidence that you can provide.
Where the title of the study says `England` read Britain instead.As usual most Americans do not understand the difference!:rolleyes:
Whilst Britain may be going down the pan,the USA leads the way[as it does in everything negative!]!

People who described their ethnic group as ‘Other Black’, largely young Black people born in Britain, were the next most likely to be married to someone outside their ethnic group, followed by Black Caribbean people. Almost five in ten Other Black men (48 per cent) and three in ten Black Caribbean men (29 per cent) were married to women outside the Black ethnic group, in most cases White women.

Incredible, those stats are very telling. I had no clue that50% of all british born negroes were shacking up with british girls. No wonder the apes are so willing to risk life and limb on such a trifle chance to reach their shores. Our situation here in the US in dire for sure, but even with our immigration policy in shambles and every other mark of degeneracy you will not find ANYWHERE near 50% of the blacks here banging White girls. If this doesn't come to a halt then England will be the first fully mixed race, islamicized nation in Europe in short order.

Incredible, those stats are very telling. I had no clue that50% of all british born negroes were shacking up with british girls. No wonder the apes are so willing to risk life and limb on such a trifle chance to reach their shores. Our situation here in the US in dire for sure, but even with our immigration policy in shambles and every other mark of degeneracy you will not find ANYWHERE near 50% of the blacks here banging White girls. If this doesn't come to a halt then England will be the first fully mixed race, islamicized nation in Europe in short order.
Thats just the continuing fallout from WWII, the war of the socialists.

Suddenly Hitler doesnt seem so bad compared to the Marxist victors.

The English just traded one genocide for another.....THEIR OWN.

In Britain only 2% of marriages are interracial.I very much doubt that the USA or any European country can boast of a lower figure.However I am prepared to consider any alternative evidence that you can provide.
Where the title of the study says `England` read Britain instead.As usual most Americans do not understand the difference!:rolleyes:
Whilst Britain may be going down the pan,the USA leads the way[as it does in everything negative!]!

You're forgetting the bastard child factor, something niggers are famous for wherever they're found. Here in the US 70% of nigger children are born out of wedlock, and from my personal observation it seems to be even worse when their partner is white (I've never seen a niglet toting white woman with a boyfriend/husband at their side). I would bet that the number is even higher there since bastard children are much more common amongst whites in Europe. Here in the US around 30% of white children are born out of wedlock, but in Scandinavia for example the large majority of white children are born out of wedlock. I don't have any statistics at hand, but I would wager that the UK is somewhere in between.

England is the most degenerate country in the world. However the rural areas and small towns are almost entirely White.

The idea of one whole White race is an American idea and should not be applied to Europe. Europe can be divided into Northern Europeans, Southern Europeans and Eastern Europeans, all of which need to be kept separate from each other. Northern And Eastern Europeans have blue eyes and lightish hair. Southern Europeans have basically black hair, black eyes and olive skin. Are they White? yes, but they should not mix with lighter Whites.

No I am not diluted, I am a normal person that can understand that population growth and gene dispersion does not occur linearly but rather geometrically.

OWG is absolutely correct.

England is the most degenerate country in the world. However the rural areas and small towns are almost entirely White.

The idea of one whole White race is an American idea and should not be applied to Europe. Europe can be divided into Northern Europeans, Southern Europeans and Eastern Europeans, all of which need to be kept separate from each other. Northern And Eastern Europeans have blue eyes and lightish hair. Southern Europeans have basically black hair, black eyes and olive skin. Are they White? yes, but they should not mix with lighter Whites.

I hope you did not lose any sleep over this "profound" observation.

Incredible, those stats are very telling. I had no clue that50% of all british born negroes were shacking up with british girls. No wonder the apes are so willing to risk life and limb on such a trifle chance to reach their shores. Our situation here in the US in dire for sure, but even with our immigration policy in shambles and every other mark of degeneracy you will not find ANYWHERE near 50% of the blacks here banging White girls. If this doesn't come to a halt then England will be the first fully mixed race, islamicized nation in Europe in short order.

Read the whole article itself before you comment idiot!
Only 2% of marriages are interracial in Britain.I will do the arithmatic for you as you appear to have issues with this.That makes 98% of marriages within the same ethnic group.Britain also only has a 5.6% non-white population compared to the USA`s 24.3%,nearly 5 times that of Britain! So which country is in a worse state?

England is the most degenerate country in the world. However the rural areas and small towns are almost entirely White.

The idea of one whole White race is an American idea and should not be applied to Europe. Europe can be divided into Northern Europeans, Southern Europeans and Eastern Europeans, all of which need to be kept separate from each other. Northern And Eastern Europeans have blue eyes and lightish hair. Southern Europeans have basically black hair, black eyes and olive skin. Are they White? yes, but they should not mix with lighter Whites.

How profound of you! Your observation has helped the debate tremendously!:rolleyes:
I doubt that you know anything about England or you would not have made that statement.If we are looking at the degeneracy stakes whatever that means you will find that on every count the USA is a stinking cess pit where crime and gang warfare is rife.Crime is the USA`s biggest industry and yes that is official!

How profound of you! Your observation has helped the debate tremendously!:rolleyes:
I doubt that you know anything about England or you would not have made that statement.If we are looking at the degeneracy stakes whatever that means you will find that on every count the USA is a stinking cess pit where crime and gang warfare is rife.Crime is the USA`s biggest industry and yes that is official!

It's true that the USA is toast, but some of your "facts" are just wrong.

The UK's non-White population is much higher than 5%. Your government is outright lying to you. The true figure is probably 15%.

The UK has the highest miscegenation rate of any European country. A friend who recently returned from a business trip to London claims that inter-racial couples are more common than in New York City. The inter-racial marriage rate you cite is meaningless. The majority of inter-racial couples will never marry -- it's easier to collect the dole that way.

Most violent crime in the US is committed by niggers and spics. When compared to White US citizens, White UK citizens commit more violent crimes.

The UK has one of the highest rates of binge drinking in Europe.

In a nutshell, White British girls are obsessed with spreading their legs for muds, while their White brothers are only interested in getting drunk and starting football riots.

The USA will soon be in the dustbin of history, closely followed by the UK.

=Fissile]It's true that the USA is toast, but some of your "facts" are just wrong.
The UK's non-White population is much higher than 5%. Your government is outright lying to you. The true figure is probably 15%.


It may very well be more than 5% but if it is this would relate to illegal immigrants who have no permanent right of abode in the UK.
If you are going to pluck such a high figure of 15% out of the air like that the least you could do is back it up with some sort of evidence otherwise it is to be frank just bollocks!


The UK has the highest miscegenation rate of any European country. A friend who recently returned from a business trip to London claims that inter-racial couples are more common than in New York City. The inter-racial marriage rate you cite is meaningless. The majority of inter-racial couples will never marry -- it's easier to collect the dole that way.


No it hasn`t. Do you have any evidence to support your argument apart from some Jewish nonsense posted on Wikipedia?
As I have already demonstrated the rate of interracial marriage is a mere 2%.
I have no reason to suppose that this figure is not also reflected in general co-habitation rates or relationships generally.
Do you have any evidence that contradicts that?

Most violent crime in the US is committed by niggers and spics. When compared to White US citizens, White UK citizens commit more violent crimes.


Again do you have any evidence to support your allegation apart from something you heard on a soap opera?
You need to bear in mind that the non-white population in the USA is 4.5 times that of the UK and so it stands to reason that more blacks will commit more crime in the USA in comparison to the UK and therefore a greater proportion of the crime will be committed by UK Whites than US Whites.
If there were as many blacks in the UK proportionate to the USA then of course the figures would balance.
You are basically making figures `support` a preconceived anti-UK argument.
I will put it down to the fact that the USA is only 200 years old with no core nation.:rolleyes:

With reference to violent crime your remark is ridiculous.The USA is the
gun capital of the world.Ownership of firearms in the UK is heavily restricted and armed crime attracts severe penalties.I would suggest that you focus on your own festering back yard before you point the finger at other countries.

The UK has one of the highest rates of binge drinking in Europe.
In a nutshell, White British girls are obsessed with spreading their legs for muds, while their White brothers are only interested in getting drunk and starting football riots.
The USA will soon be in the dustbin of history, closely followed by the UK.


I am not sure what binge drinking has to do with the argument about miscegenation, do you?:confused:
One may hear such statements made anecdotaly but is there any evidence to support it? How pray does one measure binge drinking statistically?
If you can prove that binge drinking is more prominent in Britain do you have any evidence to link this to any racial groups? Why do you assume that the binge drinking is necessarily committed by whites?

England's cities have long been hubs for the dregs of the British isles. JB Priestley spoke disparagingly of the conditions of the Irish in Liverpool (1934).

The Spook London bomber's wife was Northern Irish.

The US will be destroyed first, followed by the UK, the 51st state trying ever so hard to emulate the free trade economics and ultra-liberal social policies of the Republican Democrats party. Unlike in Germany and the States, the UK's hardcore racists have faded away. A riot was kicked off in 1957 when the Teddy Boys saw a West Indian with a Swedish woman walking down the street in London. We haven't had a (white) riot since the Poll Tax protests in the 90s.

England's cities have long been hubs for the dregs of the British isles. JB Priestley spoke disparagingly of the conditions of the Irish in Liverpool (1934).

The Spook London bomber's wife was Northern Irish.

The US will be destroyed first, followed by the UK, the 51st state trying ever so hard to emulate the free trade economics and ultra-liberal social policies of the Republican Democrats party. Unlike in Germany and the States, the UK's hardcore racists have faded away. A riot was kicked off in 1957 when the Teddy Boys saw a West Indian with a Swedish woman walking down the street in London. We haven't had a (white) riot since the Poll Tax protests in the 90s.

Are you forgetting the marches by the Countryside Alliance and the reports in the press of a `sea of Anglo-Saxon white faces`?
New Labour hates rural England because it is the last bastion against multiracialism.

"As some historical accounts have it, Muslim armies first arrived in the peninsula in AD 711 at the request of one side of a civil war raging in Visigothic Spain." Oh, really? And who was this who "requested" such assistance of Muslims against Christians?

Although the above "histories" reflect an anti-white attitude, the basic glue that holds the whole thing together is ... get your barf bags ready ... the damned Jews!

711 AD marks the first time in Spain that the Visigoths accused, tortured and tried the resident Jewish leaders for treason. Once again, in their long and sordid history, the Jews had been giving the Muslims of North Africa, the troop concentrations, maps, relative strengths and intelligence about the Christian Visigoths of Spain and actively encouraging the Muslims to invade Christian Spain. These accusations had been made several times before 711, but in that year the proof of Jewish perfidy was in the successful Muslim invasion that was timed and the beachhead scouted by Jewish traitors living among the Visigoths.

Once the Muslims gained the advantage, they rewarded the Jews with lands, titles, jobs as tax farmers and as oppressors of the conquered people, and with positions in Muslim government. Once the Jews gained a position in Muslim governemnt, the whole treason began again as they excluded the Muslims and promoted fellow Jews into positions of power. These positions the Jews used to increase their power and wealth leading up to 1492. They had gained such an enormous advantage over the Christians and had gained such wealth and so many government positons, that they even today call this era, "The Golden Age of Judaism".

The Inquisition was not the wholesale slaughter that the damned kikes claim that it was in their slandering histories. Over its history on the average, it burned or tortured only about four Jews and witches per year for a total of about 1200 victims. And these were mainly Jews who were pretending to be Christians in order to desicrate Christianity or to gain a wealthy position in society.

1492 marks the year that the Jews, who had been their usual blood-sucking selves, were ripped out of Spainish society and sent packing.

I think England is still more divided along class lines than along racial lines.

This means that there may be a large section of working class whites who feel like they are somehow similar to non-whites who are also working class.

Then there are the miseducated middle classes, who wear their liberalism as if it were a fashionable clothing item, brandishing their nigger buck like some kind of ultra-hip accessory.

But at the end of the day, such nigger-loving wenches are actually a very small minority. The vast majority of Brits will end up with another whitey.

And the majority of Spaniards will end up with another short, brown-skinned, greasy-black haired, black-eyed, irrational, over-emotional, hyper-talkative dago.

The archetypal Spaniard:
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/11/25/icon_cover2_nov26,0.jpg

Actually, the actor who played the part of Manuel is an archetypal jew:
Played by: Andrew Sachs

http://www.fawltysite.net/Images/andrew_sachs.jpg
Born: Andreas Siegfried Sachs
Date of Birth: 07 April, 1930 — Andrew Sachs shares a birthday with Jackie Chan, Francis Ford Coppola and James Garner.
Place of Birth: Berlin, Germany
Andrew Sachs fled to England from Germany with his family when he was aged eight. His family had been planning to emigrate anyway when his father was arrested one night shortly before Kristallnacht (http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Holocaust/kristallnacht.html). He was later released but the threats to a Jewish family in a Germany under the Nazis were too much so they fled to England.
A stage career soon beckoned — Andrew looked at Lassie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lassie) and thought “If a dog can do it, so can I”! His career has encompassed many comedies and classical dramas in all media including TV, radio and theatre. He has also written and produced a number of works for radio and the stage. He is also well known for countless voiceovers for television documentaries.
Andrew Sachs is married to Melody Lang, presumably the same one who played Mrs Taylor in Basil the Rat.

http://www.fawltysite.net/manuel.htm



The archetypal Spaniard:
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/11/25/icon_cover2_nov26,0.jpg

I think England is still more divided along class lines than along racial lines.

This means that there may be a large section of working class whites who feel like they are somehow similar to non-whites who are also working class.

Then there are the miseducated middle classes, who wear their liberalism as if it were a fashionable clothing item, brandishing their nigger buck like some kind of ultra-hip accessory.

But at the end of the day, such nigger-loving wenches are actually a very small minority. The vast majority of Brits will end up with another whitey.

And the majority of Spaniards will end up with another short, brown-skinned, greasy-black haired, black-eyed, irrational, over-emotional, hyper-talkative dago.

The archetypal Spaniard:
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/11/25/icon_cover2_nov26,0.jpg

He isn`t `Spanish`:he`s Jewish!!:D

Ah fuck it... it's a funny pic anyway... :cheers:

At least in Fawlty Towers they could still make fun of ethnic groups, including the Irish (Remember O'Brien (I do Mrs Fawlty, I do...))... at least we can take a joke. Funny shit. :D

I think England is still more divided along class lines than along racial lines.

This means that there may be a large section of working class whites who feel like they are somehow similar to non-whites who are also working class.

Then there are the miseducated middle classes, who wear their liberalism as if it were a fashionable clothing item, brandishing their nigger buck like some kind of ultra-hip accessory.

But at the end of the day, such nigger-loving wenches are actually a very small minority. The vast majority of Brits will end up with another whitey.


I hope you're right, for sanity's sake!

UK BIGGEST RACE MIXING COUNTRY IN THE EUROPE!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/uk/2002/race/changing_face_of_britain.stm

Read the whole article itself before you comment idiot!
Only 2% of marriages are interracial in Britain.I will do the arithmatic for you as you appear to have issues with this.That makes 98% of marriages within the same ethnic group.Britain also only has a 5.6% non-white population compared to the USA`s 24.3%,nearly 5 times that of Britain! So which country is in a worse state?


You seem to have the same impulse control and reasoning abilities as the niggers in your country who are fucking Whites into extinction. Must be something in the water, I don't know. Or it could just be that all that intermixing has trickled negroid genetics into the "White" population and we have idiots like you running around. The article very clearly states that british born blacks, coined as "other blacks", are intermarrying with Whites at a rate of 50%. In case you don't know what that means let me make it a bit clearer. For every 10 bumble lipped, flat-nosed, unevolved apes that are born with English citizenship, 5 of them end up fucking British girls. As somebody else pointed out, British women have very liberal views on sex and are too welcoming of the browns and the blacks. If the number of blacks and browns in your nation is as low as you say it is, then that's only for the better. But how much destruction can it bear when half of all muds have no problem finding a british girl to knock up? The number of American negroes who end up mixing with Whites is a fraction of that 50% percent in England.

The USA is the
gun capital of the world.Ownership of firearms in the UK is heavily restricted and armed crime attracts severe penalties.I would suggest that you focus on your own festering back yard before you point the finger at other countries.

That only makes it better for the muds who go around gang raping and beating the men and women with impunity. You speak of firearm restrictions as something to be proud of, not realizing that the only means of rebellion and putting a halt to a corrupt government is an armed public. Have you forgotten how we kicked the living shit out of you red coats?

UK BIGGEST RACE MIXING COUNTRY IN THE EUROPE!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/uk/2002/race/changing_face_of_britain.stm

If you care to examine the article carefully you will see that this is nothing more than a BBC editorial and not based on fact as the subsequent census results indicated.
I would not call a 2% interracial marriage rate evidence for your allegation that the `UK is the biggest race mixing country in Europe`.
Indeed we are 20% behind you when it comes to the percentage of non-whites in the population so if I were you I would pay more attention to your own back yard before you sling mud at others.

=Sparrow]You seem to have the same impulse control and reasoning abilities as the niggers in your country who are fucking Whites into extinction. Must be something in the water, I don't know. Or it could just be that all that intermixing has trickled negroid genetics into the "White" population and we have idiots like you running around. The article very clearly states that british born blacks, coined as "other blacks", are intermarrying with Whites at a rate of 50%. In case you don't know what that means let me make it a bit clearer. For every 10 bumble lipped, flat-nosed, unevolved apes that are born with English citizenship, 5 of them end up fucking British girls.


You clearly have learning difficulties.
The UK has only a 5.6% non-white population compared to 25% in the USA.
2001 census statistics indicate that 98% of marriages are within the same racial or ethnic group.I defy you to find any other western country with figures as good as that!
Indeed the number of mixed race people is quite miniscule.I can`t say the same about the very mixed racial melting pot hell hole of the USA.
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nugget.asp?ID=1090&Pos=1&ColRank=2&Rank=384
People from the Mixed ethnic group were the most likely to be married to someone outside their ethnic group (78 per cent). The Mixed ethnic group is relatively small and there are limited opportunities to marry someone from the same ethnic group. However, mixed race people are often married to someone from a related ethnic group. For example, among men who described their own ethnic group as ‘Mixed - White and Black Caribbean’, 76 per cent were married to White women, 8 per cent to Black Caribbean women and 11 per cent to ‘Mixed – White and Black Caribbean’ women.


Inter-ethnic marriages form a very small proportion of all marriages in England and Wales as a whole - 2 per cent.

There were 10.3 million married couples in England and Wales on census day in 2001. The vast majority of these marriages, 98 per cent, were between people from the same ethnic background, where ethnic background is defined as White, Mixed, Asian, Black, Chinese, or Other ethnic group.
As somebody else pointed out, British women have very liberal views on sex and are too welcoming of the browns and the blacks. If the number of blacks and browns in your nation is as low as you say it is, then that's only for the better. But how much destruction can it bear when half of all muds have no problem finding a british girl to knock up? The number of American negroes who end up mixing with Whites is a fraction of that 50% percent in England.



`Somebody else` being who exactly? Another American armchair speculator who has never even set foot in the UK?

That only makes it better for the muds who go around gang raping and beating the men and women with impunity. You speak of firearm restrictions as something to be proud of, not realizing that the only means of rebellion and putting a halt to a corrupt government is an armed public. Have you forgotten how we kicked the living shit out of you red coats?

I don`t see any `rebellion` happening in the USA despite millions of psychos having access to guns.So why isn`t it happening? Why are your people still being butt fucked by niggers?

You clearly have learning difficulties.
The UK has only a 5.6% non-white population

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=455

The U.K. Government in 2001 said 7.9%, so it's probably about 10% now.

Judging from the telly, it's more like 25%. In truth, it's somewhere over 10%.

Your women are very liberal when it comes to sex, nations like Greece and Spain have had problems with people from your country having public sex and other deviant behavior on their beaches.

I used to work in a hotel that had Virgin Atlantic arilines as a client. Those English flight attendants...just drunk debauched "girls gone wild" type idiots.

A couple of them asked a nigger bellboy if they could perform oral on him (he didn't go for it surprisingly); these attractive white stewardesses would get drunk and hit on shaved-headed, low-level spic employees. They love nothing better than a flithy low-rent ghetto spic who they think is a "latin lover". When room service came, they'd answer the door in a g-string. How quaint. The usual apology by certain hotel employees was "oh, they're not as hung up about sex as we are". How come the rest of Europe doesn't act like that?

One of our guys working graveyard found one of these girls passed out drunk, naked, in one of the hallways. I could go on and on. Group sex, the whole lot.

British people are the only people I've ever seen who will consistently roll in the gutter like pigs and yet still look down their noses at US.

There is something a bit weird about English/British people. I think it's something to do with staying by themselves off on that island for all that time (as I mentioned earlier England has not been successfully invaded for 940 years).

The English language is a strange offshoot from Germanic languages, with very simplistic grammar and hybridised with Latin, the English culture is very antiquated, with tight class structure, cricket, tea drinking, politeness, blond aristocrats etc., but then they break lose into manic violence, football hooliganism, taking over 80% of the World, female promiscuity and teenage pregnancy, heavy drinking and animalistic behavior etc. They also seem to keep this air of superiority over everyone else, while not actually being the best at anything.

How is this different from the US?

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=455

The U.K. Government in 2001 said 7.9%, so it's probably about 10% now.

Charles,you are perfectly correct.
My earlier reference was in connection with an American study carried out in 1997.I note that the figure for the White population in England and Wales is 91%,that of the UK slightly higher at 92.1%.I am unsure of the rate for Britain.
Also there are some other contradictory statistical information from 2004 which seems to suggest that the White British population of Britain stood at 94%.
One interesting point is that White English people are more likely to describe themselves as `English` rather than `British`.This is a positive development as it seems to indicate a rediscovery of English identity among the ethnically English.Perhaps this is a kick-back against niggers who describe themselves as `British`?

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=459
In most non-White ethnic groups in Britain in 2004, the majority of people described their national identity as British, English, Scottish or Welsh. This included almost nine in ten people from a Mixed (88 per cent) or Black Caribbean (86 per cent) group, around eight in ten people from a Pakistani (83 per cent), Bangladeshi (82 per cent) or Other Black (83 per cent) group, and three quarters (75 per cent) of the Indian group.
People from the White British group were more likely to describe their national identity as English (58 per cent) rather than British (36 per cent). However, the opposite was true of the non-White groups, who were more likely to identify themselves as British. For example, over three quarters (78 per cent) of Bangladeshis said they were British, while only 5 per cent said they were English, Scottish or Welsh. The non-White group with the largest proportion identifying as English was the Mixed group - 37 per cent identified as English and 52 per cent identified as British.

There is something a bit weird about English/British people. I think it's something to do with staying by themselves off on that island for all that time (as I mentioned earlier England has not been successfully invaded for 940 years).

The English language is a strange offshoot from Germanic languages, with very simplistic grammar and hybridised with Latin, the English culture is very antiquated, with tight class structure, cricket, tea drinking, politeness, blond aristocrats etc., but then they break lose into manic violence, football hooliganism, taking over 80% of the World, female promiscuity and teenage pregnancy, heavy drinking and animalistic behavior etc. They also seem to keep this air of superiority over everyone else, while not actually being the best at anything.

Charles I think your perceptions of England and Britain are formed from 50 year old Ealing films rather than from reality.
The best way to gain a valid insight is to actually live here!
Your first sentence seems to be an argument against racial purity?

I used to work in a hotel that had Virgin Atlantic arilines as a client. Those English flight attendants...just drunk debauched "girls gone wild" type idiots.

A couple of them asked a nigger bellboy if they could perform oral on him (he didn't go for it surprisingly); these attractive white stewardesses would get drunk and hit on shaved-headed, low-level spic employees. They love nothing better than a flithy low-rent ghetto spic who they think is a "latin lover". When room service came, they'd answer the door in a g-string. How quaint. The usual apology by certain hotel employees was "oh, they're not as hung up about sex as we are". How come the rest of Europe doesn't act like that?

One of our guys working graveyard found one of these girls passed out drunk, naked, in one of the hallways. I could go on and on. Group sex, the whole lot.

British people are the only people I've ever seen who will consistently roll in the gutter like pigs and yet still look down their noses at US.


I think that you will find that there are certain personality types from all countries that may go a little `wild` when let `off the leash` abroad.I would have thought that this applies only to a minority of people.
As far as permissiveness is concerned, from my experience things are far worse on the continent than they are in Britain.
At the end of the day we can all quote anecdotal `evidence` but it proves nothing either way.

Judging from the telly, it's more like 25%. In truth, it's somewhere over 10%.

LoL!:D If Jewvision is anything to go by it is more likely 1/3,especially from the advertisements! There is usually 1 nigger,1 oriental and 1 White.[All getting along famously!]

SPaniards are not white ?
I am redhead and I can tell you I see blond people everyday.
Why are you talking about Spanirds if you have never been in SPain ??
Do you think spaniards is the same as the mulattos and indians who come to the US from the nasty banana republic countries in south america ?
Spaniards are rich and white europeans. We have very cold winters, we have, snow, and we don't have palm beaches,,

Look at this:
http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?board=guess&action=display&thread=1139744225&page=1

this guy:
http://competiciones.feb.es/estadisticas/Jugador.aspx?i=93610&c=265769&med=1

SPaniards are not white ?
I am redhead and I can tell you I see blond people everyday.
Why are you talking about Spanirds if you have never been in SPain ??
Do you think spaniards is the same as the mulattos and indians who come to the US from the nasty banana republic countries in south america ?
Spaniards are rich and white europeans. We have very cold winters, we have, snow, and we don't have palm beaches,,

Look at this:
http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?board=guess&action=display&thread=1139744225&page=1

this guy:
http://competiciones.feb.es/estadisticas/Jugador.aspx?i=93610&c=265769&med=1

Spaniards gave us Mexico and Central America. They also injected moorish genes into the White pool.

Yo,niggorillas and jizzlamists - REPARATIONS FOR WHITEY,NOW!!!!

SPaniards are not white ?
I am redhead and I can tell you I see blond people everyday.
Why are you talking about Spanirds if you have never been in SPain ??
Do you think spaniards is the same as the mulattos and indians who come to the US from the nasty banana republic countries in south america ?
Spaniards are rich and white europeans. We have very cold winters, we have, snow, and we don't have palm beaches,,

Look at this:
http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?board=guess&action=display&thread=1139744225&page=1

this guy:
http://competiciones.feb.es/estadisticas/Jugador.aspx?i=93610&c=265769&med=1

This thread originated with Old White Goat, a well known accomplice of the GD jews, who's been on this forum for years, but never contributed one dime or distributed one WN newspaper.

His purpose was to cause division and hatreds among White people.

If they look White and fight White, then they ARE White. The Great White Race, led by the best. And the best will be selected without regard to European ancestry.

"Nit-pickers", be gone !!!

This thread originated with Old White Goat, a well known accomplice of the GD jews, who's been on this forum for years, but never contributed one dime or distributed one WN newspaper.

His purpose was to cause division and hatreds among White people.

If they look White and fight White, then they ARE White. The Great White Race, led by the best. And the best will be selected without regard to European ancestry.

"Nit-pickers", be gone !!!

Rounder has the last word on this thread.