What are the differences between judo, jujitsu, and aikido?

What criterion are you using?

I mean, judo and aikido are primarily standing (as opposed to ground-work) forms, so they tend to have more of an emphasis on break-falls and regaining one's footing once it's been lost, whereas a good ju-jitsu practitioner will be just as comfortable, if not more so, on the ground.

Aikido and ju-jitsu were originally designed as martial arts (as opposed to a sports form, as is the case with judo; it's still pretty effective though). So, depending on whether the judo dojo you go to is focussed on competition or not, you might end up not learning a lot of good judo techniques, because they're not 'useful in competition' (ie, they're too dangerous) and so may not be taught much by your instuctor.

Aikido has an strong 'internal' element (which varies depending on what style of aikido you're talking about, and which instructor you've got) which may well hinder its usefulness, if you haven't got years and years to practice in the art.

Judo and Aikido are both 20th century martials arts derived from the medieval martial art of Jujitsu, which is what Samurais and Ninjas used. Jujitsu fell into disrepute for it's lethality and Judo was created as Jujitsu with the punches, chokes and bone breaks taken out so it can be practised as a sport basically. Aikido is like Tai Chi.

Aikido is like Tai Chi.

Having briefly taken both Aikido and Tai Chi in my youth, I would have to disagree with that. Aikido may have more of an internal/spiritual emphasis to it than, say, karate, but it is still very much a martial art. I would put Tai Chi more on par with something like yoga than with the martial arts (although legend has it that those who have mastered Tai Chi can kill a person without touching them :eek: ).

I would put Tai Chi more on par with something like yoga than with the martial arts (although legend has it that those who have mastered Tai Chi can kill a person without touching them :eek: ).

What, by serving them some tainted barbeque pork that kills them with botulism?

What, by serving them some tainted barbeque pork that kills them with botulism?

dim mak up yo crack!

just find a good instructor and train your ass off. there is almost nowhere in the USA outside of a few major metropolitan areas, that you will be able to find equally good instructors in all three disciplines. So picking a good quality school is far more important than style.

However, if you are in a major metro, aikido would be available to you and well worthwhile. That's an opportunity I took advantage of for as long as I could.

However, at this time I think that jujitsu and judo have more or less fused back together in the USA. due to the prevalence of the Brazilian and related MMA type practicioners.

Used to be, there was this big fucking hulk of a black jujitsu man in NYC, named Moses something or other, Moses Powell maybe, who had his own syncretic style-- in college I used to train with some guys who had this head guy from NYC who was one of his sidekicks, who had a mishmash of jujitsu/taekwondo and capoeira if you can believe that.

I had a seminar once with this old Jap/Hawaiian named Wally Jay. Boy, he was good at the finger locks and comealongs. But he is dead now.

I would say, that if you are in high school, cut the crap and join the wrestling team. That will give you grappling practice like none other. In college, check out what's available in person by visiting different clubs or dojos and watching them practice. Post college, in a major metro area, do the same thing.

Not in college or a big city? Find a judo club. In judo you will get vigorous practice in basic grappling that will be hard to beat for quality, compared to small MMA schools. Practice, practice, practice is the main thing after selection of a decent school. In the long run, practice is everything.

I had a seminar once with this old Jap/Hawaiian named Wally Jay. Boy, he was good at the finger locks and comealongs.

No shit? Small-Circle Wally Jay? Neat.

Essentially, the best way to get good at fighting is to do a lot of it*, and to PAY ATTENTION while you're doing it... remember what happens and think it over. And if you get knocked down, get right back up, do something horrible to your opponent- and later on, remember WHY you got knocked down, so as to not get knocked down in the same way again.

I've worked with some grey-beards who've never studied any kind of martial art formally (not even boxing or the like), but could still beat the living daylights out of me, from sheer experience.

*: Controlled sparring is nearly as good, but still no match for the real thing. The upshot to sparring is that you're less likely to sustain an injury while you're doing it.

Einz,

great comment. You know, fighting, as such, always occurs in a social context. As such, it is a form of social skill. One of the writers I have ever read on this theme is Marc the Animal MacYoung,

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/results.asp?r=1&popup=0&ath=Marc+Animal+MacYoung

I have not looked over his website, but I see that he has one:

http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/home.html

He is great on the social context of fighting and self defense. People rarely think about this, but it's why atemi based styles have big limitations for practical usage. Whereas, grappling styles give you an opportunity to use force more judiciously and therefore with more limited fallout post incident.

dim mak up yo crack!

I've heard of the dim mak before, and not just in the movie Kickboxer, either.

I do believe there is something to the whole 'energy manipulation' idea; although it is overly mysticised by people who don't know any better, and even those who do, in the interests of preserving their own mystique.

But really, dim mak is one of those things that I choose to remain skeptical about, until I've seen it with my own two eyes (and even then, only when I'd exhausted all other possible reasons for the person dying).

Uptar died at a particularly convenient time for the Burgundians, particularly considering they'd just converted to Christianity after being convinced that God would save them from the Huns if they believed in him and feared him... but does it follow that Uptar was 'killed by God'? I would submit that it does not.

Einz,

great comment. You know, fighting, as such, always occurs in a social context.

Aye.

I can't think of many times where I could think of a more effective thing to do than parry/block, and then simply punch the person squarely in the head, or knee them in the gonads, or any number of straightforward and brutal options.

But people tend to schiz out when they see security personnel throwing punches and kicks and the like at people, even if they are just defending themselves (and that's the only time I even consider using physical violence).

Especially considering I've got very strong hands- I could be in serious, serious trouble if I did do this. I've punched two people in dead earnest, and put two people in the hospital*. Not something I want to do very much of, at all.

So more often than not, it might be a bit more difficult to parry and then throw a person in a humiliating fashion (ie: flat onto their face or arse), or lock their arms up and give them a boot up the bum out the door... but these are still much more 'viable' options for me, in most cases.

*: I'm not boasting. I felt very ashamed of myself after both times- sure, they attacked me, and so there was no legal repercussions, but I still don't like allowing things to go that far.

What criterion are you using?

The reason I lumped these together is because I figured ju-do was the "sports" version of ju-jitsu. I associated Judo and Aikido because they both seem to be based on the idea that "a good defense is the best offense," in other words, if someone attacks you, you turn the energy of the attack against them and take them down (if someone pushes, you pull). Granted, Judo comes off as a little cruder than Aikido, but the principle seems the same.

I mean, judo and aikido are primarily standing (as opposed to ground-work) forms, so they tend to have more of an emphasis on break-falls and regaining one's footing once it's been lost, whereas a good ju-jitsu practitioner will be just as comfortable, if not more so, on the ground.

I talked to a local martial arts school and that's essentially what they told me; that Jujitsu involves spending a lot of time down on the ground. The instructor I talked to felt that in a street fight scenario, someone who knew Jujitsu would have an advantage over someone trained in one of the more punching/kicking-oriented martial arts (e.g. Karate, Kung Fu, boxing).

Aikido and ju-jitsu were originally designed as martial arts (as opposed to a sports form, as is the case with judo; it's still pretty effective though). So, depending on whether the judo dojo you go to is focussed on competition or not, you might end up not learning a lot of good judo techniques, because they're not 'useful in competition' (ie, they're too dangerous) and so may not be taught much by your instuctor.

Aikido has an strong 'internal' element (which varies depending on what style of aikido you're talking about, and which instructor you've got) which may well hinder its usefulness, if you haven't got years and years to practice in the art.

Thanks for the info, einzelwesen. I'm interested in this for self-defense more than anything. It sounds like Jujitsu would be the best one for that purpose.

But really, dim mak is one of those things that I choose to remain skeptical about, until I've seen it with my own two eyes (and even then, only when I'd exhausted all other possible reasons for the person dying).

I'm not exactly sure what Dim Mak is, but acupuncture seems effective enough. If you can heal people by hitting the right points along their nervous system, would it not also be possible to kill them?

What, by serving them some tainted barbeque pork that kills them with botulism?

I think they must use a gun. ;)

In college, check out what's available in person by visiting different clubs or dojos and watching them practice. Post college, in a major metro area, do the same thing.

The instructor invited me to come sit in on a session. I think I'll take him up on it.

Thanks for the advice!

I'm not exactly sure what Dim Mak is, but acupuncture seems effective enough. If you can heal people by hitting the right points along their nervous system, would it not also be possible to kill them?

Dim mak ('death touch') is meant to be a technique where a martial artist strikes certain 'energy meridians' on the body (similar to those 'used' in acupuncture), depending on the time of day and date, with catastrophic effects which don't take effect until hours, or days later. Death, collapsed lungs, blood-vessel destruction...

Like I say, I'm skeptical- to say the least.

Not to mention, if the technique exists and can be transmitted, learning it sounds like the work of a lifetime... a lifetime that I don't have to dedicate solely to studying this.

I think AE was just being sarcastic, mentioning it, but others mightn't have known what he was talking about.

Like I say, I'm skeptical- to say the least.

Not to mention, if the technique exists and can be transmitted, learning it sounds like the work of a lifetime... a lifetime that I don't have to dedicate solely to studying this.

On top of that, there's really only one way to know if you've gotten the technique right - and it's not particularly legal in most countries.

Dim mak ('death touch') is meant to be a technique where a martial artist strikes certain 'energy meridians' on the body (similar to those 'used' in acupuncture), depending on the time of day and date, with catastrophic effects which don't take effect until hours, or days later. Death, collapsed lungs, blood-vessel destruction...

Like I say, I'm skeptical- to say the least.

Not to mention, if the technique exists and can be transmitted, learning it sounds like the work of a lifetime... a lifetime that I don't have to dedicate solely to studying this.

I think AE was just being sarcastic, mentioning it, but others mightn't have known what he was talking about.

DIM-MAK IS TOTAL BULLSHIT JUST MORE FRANK DUX TYPE SHIT -----THE END

You guys are all a bunch of amateurs who know next to nothing about martial arts.

You guys are all a bunch of amateurs who know next to nothing about martial arts.Don't need to. My S&W in .357 will beat a black belt in karate (or any form of "marsha-art" for that matter). ;)

http://www.bullshido.net/gallery/data/555/medium/dimmak_copy.jpg

That's you with the white beard and top knot, isn't it?

No, that's Gordon Liu.

Don't need to. My S&W in .357 will beat a black belt in karate (or any form of "marsha-art" for that matter). ;)

Sometimes, that's true and sometimes it isn't true. It depends on the situtation.

Sometimes, that's true and sometimes it isn't true. It depends on the situtation.mmm...sometimes, yeah.

But, all else being even, and you're in your karate (whatever) stance, and I'm my combat stance and we're facing-off...who do you think's going to come out on top? ;)

Though I agree: there are situations where you might be able to chop-chop the hell out of my ass before I could pull my rod (not that rod, you fuckin' perverts! :mad: )

It would never happen because we're on the same side. So, why not say, "Howdy"?

mmm...sometimes, yeah.

But, all else being even, and you're in your karate (whatever) stance, and I'm my combat stance and we're facing-off...who do you think's going to come out on top? ;)

Though I agree: there are situations where you might be able to chop-chop the hell out of my ass before I could pull my rod (not that rod, you fuckin' perverts! :mad: )

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In what situation would you pull your "super secret move?"

Banjo Billys "super secret move".

http://www.canosoarus.com/06NWgame/LW%20Images/55running%20away755.jpg

I don't know about Billy, but that chick with the ass has definitely got something "secretly moving" in my pants right now...

Be back in about 15 minutes. I've got to go to the bathroom and uh...take a leak.

(Goddamnit! Where the hell is the toilet paper! :mad: )



EDIT: Oops!...'hem!...I meant to say that I've got to take a dump. Yeah, that's it -- a dump. :o

Unsynchronized overdub:

Now you must die round eyed devil!

I like your sense of humor. Thanks. I needed a good grin after working all day.

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"Seven years ago you killed my dad. I went to Shaolin and learned Kung Fu."

- "You're a monk, you have to show mercy."

"Even Buddha punished evil. I'm also going to kick banjo billy's ass for being full of himself on VNNF."

All are Japanese. Having spent a little time studying all three, I would say that, of course, judo is a sport but teaches some useful skills. Aikido is very effective for self-defense and is popular with police. Jujitsu is quick and dirty self-defense and more appropriate for someone not wishing to spend a lot of time learning very effective, "hard" techniques. I would go and observe in your area and speak with the instructors regarding your goals. If I were a young man, I would devote myself to aikido for life. If I intended to do war and needed to get up and running quickly, I would find a jujitsu sensei (teacher), get in good enough shape to be able to train several times a week, and find a compatable training partner. The ranking system in Japanese martial arts is honest; belts in much Americanized karate, for example, are bullshit. Google "Putin" and "judo." Believe me, a 6th dan in Kodokan judo is a tough character. I hope that helps answer your not too specific question.

Historically, Judo and Aikido both came from Jiujitsu.

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