http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/005104.html


According to the New York Sun, Jean-Marie Le Pen and the Front National have begun courting Muslims. This goes beyond Le Pen's remarks about respecting Islam, and fully into promoting Eurabia.

I hope that the neocon Sun ran a bad story. I defended Le Pen as the salvation of France against the Muslim hordes.More importantly, Le Pen's possible defection sets back the French nationalists another election cycle or more.

In the last election Le Pen got 20% of the vote for president, forcing a run off between himself and Chirac. With the beur violence this fall, he could do far better next time.

If the story is correct, Le Pen is surrendering at the moment he should be triumphant.

It seems that Count Philippe de Villiers of the Movement for France (MPF) is the last supporter of a Christian France and Western Civilization.


I note that the Sun article, which Ron L sent me, doesn't actually quote Le Pen. It also doesn't quote any of the “horrified” Christian right-wingers who are supposedly deserting the party over Le Pen's supposed pro-Islam tilt. We need better information source to find out what's going on here. Since the Sun article is only available to subscribers, I am reproducing it here:

France's Le Pen To Strike a Deal With Muslims
By MICHEL GURFINKIEL
February 17, 2006
It looks like a political oxymoron, but Jean-Marie Le Pen's National Front is poised to strike an alliance with France's large immigrant Muslim community.

A generation after France's right-wing party began its surge with a tough anti-immigration campaign tinged with both racism and anti-Semitism, three factors are coming into play that could spell a strategic realignment.

These factors, which are still little grasped outside political circles in France but will have an enormous impact, include:

* The Islamicization of France is largely a fait accompli. It is assumed that 6 to 8 million citizens or residents of France, 10% to 13% out of a global population of 62 million, are Muslim by now. And that the Muslim community, being more prolific, is much younger than the rest of the population: As much as 25% of French citizens or residents under 20 is Muslim, with the number reaching 40% or 50% in the big cities.

* The National Front is surprisingly popular among Muslim immigrants or second-generation Muslim citizens. For all its campaigning about immigration, Mr. Le Pen's party has always extended support to Arab and Islamic causes abroad, from Saddam's Iraq to Arafat's or Hamas Palestine, and from Al Qaeda to Iran. And it is as firmly anti-American and anti-Jewish as the Muslim community itself tends to be.

* The attraction of the French far left, which accounts for another 20% of the national vote, toward Islam, rabid anti-Americanism, and even anti-Semitism, a phenomenon underscored by the emergence of Dieudonne, a former liberal music-hall humorist who has turned into an enormously popular French equivalent of Louis Farrakhan. Dieudonne, the son of a black Camerounese father and a white French mother, claims that Jews were the main European slave traders in the 17th and 18th centuries. He refers to civic and educational programs about the Holocaust as “memory pornography.” He has welcomed the electoral victory of Hamas in Palestine. According to the philosopher Bernard-Henri Levy, he is in moral terms “Le Pen's son.”

Mr. Le Pen's inner circle seems to have entertained such a strategy for quite a time. Back in 1999, Samuel Marechal, one of Mr. Le Pen's sons-in-law, stated that France was becoming “a multiethnic and multireligious society,” and that “Islam was now France's second religion.”

This was greeted by an outcry among the Front's rank and file and Mr. Marechal had to step down from various positions. Still, he remained one of Mr. Le Pen's closest advisors.

More recently, Jean-Claude Martinez, a National Front member of the European Parliament and Mr. Le Pen's “strategic adviser,” has reiterated Mr. Marechal's challenge in a book issued under the improbable title “To all French citizens who may have voted for Le Pen if only once in their life.”

He argued that the National Front must adjust to globalization, forget about some of its founding myths, like “Joan of Arc fighting an alien invasion,” and welcome immigrant blacks and Arabs into the national fold.

He even expressed enthusiasm for black and Arab rap, as long as it is sung in French rather than English. This time there was no talk of disciplinary measures against the heretic.

Various sources are now reporting that Mr. Martinez is supported by Marine Le Pen, Jean-Marie's eldest daughter and heir apparent.

During the 2005 riots, when even communist and socialist mayors were asking for police and even army deployment in the French urban communities, the National Front refrained from any active anti-immigrant or anti-Islamic campaigning.

Over the last weeks, in the wake of the crisis over the Danish cartoons, the National Front has sided with Muslims in their claim that “religious sensibilities must be respected.”

“We have nothing against Islam as a religion,” the National Front Federation of the Var county, in Southern France, stated earlier this month.

Political analysts wonder how far the experiment can go. The real issue, many analysts say, is a schism within the French far right on who is the chief enemy.

The National Front has always been a coalition of two very distinct political families: Neofascists, like Mr. Le Pen himself, and traditional, Christian right-wingers.

Neofascists think Jews and Americans are the chief enemy, rather than Arabs and Muslims. In a way, they even tend to celebrate Arabs and Muslims as fellow fascists. As for Christian right-wingers, they see Arabs and Muslims as the chief enemy.

For years, Mr. Le Pen has been pretending he is a Christian right-winger rather than a Neofascist and that resistance to Muslim immigration is his major concern. Now he has emerged on the side of the Neofascist branch and is ready to drop the anti-Muslim issue.

The Christian right-wingers—who may have provided more than 50% of the party activists and more than 50% of the voters—are horrified, feel betrayed and have started deserting en masse. Many are turning to Philippe de Villiers, France's chief Eurosceptic, who is quickly reorganizing his own party, Mouvement Pour la France or MPF, into a nativist, Christian-minded, anti-Muslim group.

According to the newspaper Liberation, the global National Front membership has dropped from 40,000 in the late 1990s to 20,000 in 2002 and to 12,000 in 2005.

According to CSA, a polling institute, support for Mr. Le Pen among prospective voters has dropped to 9% in February from 11% in December and 12% in September. During the same period, MPF's support more than doubled to 7%. What remains to be seen is whether Le Pen will actually compensate the Christian right-wingers' hemorrhage with a substantial influx of Muslim supporters.

Islamic leaders in France are advising their followers to act as “democratic and responsible citizens,” i.e., to register as prospective voters and to enter as full-fledged activists into all major political parties, either ight of left. Indeed, a reconstructed, Muslim-friendly National Front stands a good chance to win many of them.

This makes sense if he truly wants to get elected in France. With a large Muslim population it would be political suicide if he was to alienate such a large proportion of the population.

It's the Sun, so it's probably a hit-piece. Le Pen is really as good as it will get for France in the foreseeable future. That's why it's more important to get involved in politics on the frontier of Eastern Europe, namely Czechia, Slovakia, Croatia, and Slovenia. These countries have rather liberal establishments yet haven't had the chance to import massive numbers of immigrants so far.

Le Pen, according to Michael Hoffman, praised Ariel Sharon, was that better?

Some people see him as being a populist. If so one could expect him to waffle a lot depending on the direction of the wind.

It's the Sun, so it's probably a hit-piece. Le Pen is really as good as it will get for France in the foreseeable future. That's why it's more important to get involved in politics on the frontier of Eastern Europe, namely Czechia, Slovakia, Croatia, and Slovenia. These countries have rather liberal establishments yet haven't had the chance to import massive numbers of immigrants so far.

Wait until they are full integrated into the EU, then they will be swamped muds and niggers from every corner of the earth. Le Pen is not an idiot, he knows he will have pander to some undesirables in order to get elected, the demographics in France are changing, Le Pen is just adjusting to them. The situation in central/easten Euro countries are better..... for now.

They won't be fully integrated into the EU, because that has enemies on both sides. It is our job to stop these things from happening anyway.

Who are the Beurs mentioned in the article above? I suspect that the term comes from the French beurre which means butter and the phrase beurre noir which means browned butter (pan-fried). That's my guess.

"The archetype for immigration and national identity issues centers on the Beurs, second-generation North Africans, who are born of immigrant parents, but have all the rights and privileges of citizenship, thus translating to access to the French State. Thus, at the core of the immigration debate in France lies the nature of Beur political identity."

Considering the fact that the article was written by a man by the name of Gurfinkiel, I am inclined to wait for further developments before writing off Le Pen.

Courting the Muslim vote in order to get elected so that he can deal with the Muslim Problem is like a virgin earning money as a prostitute in order to buy a chastity belt.

As I have stated elsewhere on this forum, the people of the White Nations must learn to see that there are two aspects to this problem. One is the global relations between the White Nations and the Muslim nations vis-a-vis our common enemy...the jews; the other being the very real threat posed to us by the rapid increase within the White Nations of the Muslim populations living amongst us.

The difficulty of removing the Muslims and for America the more pressing problem of the Mexicans seems to be insurmountable, and it may well be, short of all out internal wars which would probably bring us into conflict with the Muslim nations globally. One possible solution to the problem, perhaps a bit far-fetched but worth considering in the absence of anything better, would be to offer the Muslim world a two pronged deal.

One, we remove all ZOG dominated White Nations' military forces from the Muslim nations and put an end to jewish corporate global economic interference within those nations.

Two, we pass laws within the White Nations making it mandatory that any Muslim (Mexican or any non-white for that matter) who becomes pregnant would have to return to her native land and take one Muslim/Mexican/non-white man with her, never to return to a White Nation. We could do the same for any white woman who became pregnant by any non-white man. This may seem implausible in implementing but, if in this hoped for future, this alternative is seen as preferable to race war, it may receive enough support to be accepted. It is a possiblity to consider.

Of course the objection that will be raised, and it is a valid one , is that neither of my suggested actions is possible with continued political and economic ZOG control of the White Nations. But consider this: Perhaps the apathy amongst white people over this problem is to some extent due to their seeing no reasonable solution to the problem short of bloodshed on a scale which they find unacceptable. If they were presented with a legal, non-bloody, more acceptable alternative, they might become more active in their opposition to the non-white demographic plague that they can clearly see is about to destroy them.

The jews would no doubt launch a massive counter-offensive against such an initiative coming from the WN camp. But might not such a move by the jews against what would appear to white people as a reasonable alternative to both race war and extinction act to open the eyes of the white people to the control and hypocricacy of the jews. Eventually, if WNs are to prevail in our struggle with ZOG, something that we do must awaken the rest of the white people to the machinations of the jews and the seriousness of the position that we are in. The obviously anti-white, irrational repsonse by the jews to this reasonable initiative might be that something.

Why not give it a try?

If you want to win in politics you need to do and say whatever it takes to get elected, even if that means making alliances with Muslims in the short term. As much as Muslims threaten European identity they are a secondary problem. Dislodging the Jews from power is the main problem everywhere.
Everything hinges on that. Besides Muslim doesn't necessarily mean non White. Muslims are the only cohesive group on the planet that understands the Jew and are in a real position to do something about it.
What is the phrase, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

If you want to win in politics you need to do and say whatever it takes to get elected, even if that means making alliances with Muslims in the short term. As much as Muslims threaten European identity they are a secondary problem. Dislodging the Jews from power is the main problem everywhere.
Everything hinges on that. Besides Muslim doesn't necessarily mean non White. Muslims are the only cohesive group on the planet that understands the Jew and are in a real position to do something about it.
What is the phrase, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

The primary goal that WNs must seek right now is the awakening of the non-WN white people within the White Nations, not winning in politics. Political action can be one amongst many useful tactics in achieving our real goal but what do we gain if we find ourselves bogged down in an alliance with a group of people who are a very large part of the serious problem of white racial extinction. Gaining a small, temporary tactical, political advantage at such a price seems to me to be short-sighted.

And what if Le Pen did win, miraculously, with the help of the Muslims. If he then tried to rid France of the Muslims they would return to the liberals, form a coalition, call for a vote of no confidence and force new elections which would promptly oust Le Pen. He would then be confronted with a rejuvenated liberal/Muslim alliance with jews still in control. And if he didn't try to rid France of the Muslims, his white French supporters would abandon him for not delivering what they want which is to be rid of the Muslim Problem. Seems like lose-lose to me.

I agree with you that "Dislodging the Jews from power is the main problem" but that does not mean that an alliance with the Muslims is a useful tactic within the White Nations . As I have written elsewhere on this forum (search Muslim Problem), we must see that while the Muslim nations may serve us as allies against the jews globally, they still represent a serious threat to white survival within the White Nations and this threat cannot be dismissed until we deal with the jewish Problem.

In fact, if you re-read my previous post above, you will see that the intent of my suggestion was to create a situation wherein the jews would be confronted with a serious dilemma which might expose their deceitful machinations to the light of day resulting in the WN-hoped-for awakening of the mass of white people still befuddled by them.

The jews do not want the White Nations to be rid of their internal Muslim Problem (or the non-white problem in general). They created it. It serves their purpose. They also do not want to see a White Nations/Muslim nations global alliance against them. Thus their trumpeting of the so-called "Clash of Civilizations". So they rile up the Muslims within the White Nations while leaving easily discovered clues to their so doing as a ruse to WNs whom the jews then expect to see the Muslims within the White Nations as potential allies against the jews on the reasoning of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". Unfortunately, many WNs are falling for it.

That is precisely what the jews want...for WNs to fall for this trick and ignore the very real threat that Muslims represent within the White Nations. At the same time they are marshaling their ZOG puppet governments in the White Nations for a holy war against the Muslim nations. And while they are waging that war with our money and racially compromised militaries, we will be left to suffer the turmoil and depredations of the enraged Muslims ( and other non-whites) within the White Nations falsely angry with us for what ZOG is doing in our name to their brothers in the Muslim nations.

This is the deceit that WNs must see. The jews want WNs to ally themselves with the Muslims within the White Nations (they also want non-WNs to hate the Muslims which they are also succeeding in doing) since "the enemy of our enemy is our friend" while we remain powerless to stop their holy war against the Muslims nations. They want chaos within the White Nations and total victory in their "Clash of Civilizations". They win...we lose. The jewish agenda triumphant.

I am not so naive to think that my suggestion of a compromise with the Muslims would have much chance of success though it might. The Muslims are being dealt a ruse similiar to the one that we are being dealt. All white people are the enemy, all white people are allies of the jews. We should try to make them see that we do not hate them but that we do want separation fom them...we will leave their nations and they will leave ours. They may then see that we are not all allies of the jews.

The intent of my suggestion was to create a public awareness of these deceptions of the jews in order to expose them to the masses of white people. My hope is that the jewish resistance to this reasonable offer would awaken more white people to the invisible-as-yet-to-them jewish domination of our public discourse on the dangers facing us. Something must trigger that awakening. I offered my suggestion in hopes of doing that.

Your points are well taken Burrhus.
But to have just one Nationalist lead a major European country might create a domino effect. There are no politicians in the U.S. who are even discussing the immigration problem but there are political parties throughout Europe poised to make a breakthrough.
We desparately need to gain a foothold somewhere.
Think also of what LePen could do behind the scenes. He would be privy to France's intelligence reports and overturn many policies put in place by the Jews.
If I was him I would make Jean Raspail my chief of staff lol

It makes sense because the muslims are not our enemy, if we ally with them we can have a fighting chance against the jews.

Your points are well taken Burrhus.
But to have just one Nationalist lead a major European country might create a domino effect. There are no politicians in the U.S. who are even discussing the immigration problem but there are political parties throughout Europe poised to make a breakthrough.
We desparately need to gain a foothold somewhere.
Think also of what LePen could do behind the scenes. He would be privy to France's intelligence reports and overturn many policies put in place by the Jews.
If I was him I would make Jean Raspail my chief of staff lol

Imagine that you are the Le Pen (a redundancy since "Le" means "the" in French) of an American Nationalist Party...and what a wonderful dream that would be. Would you appeal to Mexican voters for support? Do you think that there is the remotest possibilty that would get 2% of that vote? Or that if you made that appeal you would get more than 10% of the white vote? And if by some miracle you did get enough Mexican votes and white votes to win, then what would you do? Close the Mexican border as you ought to? Arrest and kick all of the illegal Mexicans out as you ought to? Do what you could to get the legal Mexicans who have come here since the disastrous 1965 Immigration Bill to leave as you ought to? There would be riots on an unprecedented scale.

And that's all asuming that along with your victory you managed to get a majority in both houses of Congress or sufficient support in the military to ignore Congress. Quite a bit of imagining to do here.

That's the situation facing Le Pen with respect to the Muslims in France. He couldn't get elected without white support and couldn't get any white support if he allies himself with the Muslims. And what if he did win? What would he do about the Muslims after that? Close the borders? Expel the illegals? Work to build an all-white France? Il ne se peut pas. Not possible.

I agree with you that it would be great to have a white nationalist in power in some country to get a foothold from which to advance but Le Pen and France are not the man or place. You are correct in stating that most European countries have nationalist political parties that are far ahead of anything that we have...not hard to do since we have none...Reform Party anyone?...Pat Buchahan? If only Senator Byrd were younger, then maybe...

I am not trying to rain on anyone's parade here but we must be realistic. The Front National in France can't even protect the saintly Robert Faurisson from jewish assault on the streets of his own city. We are not anywhere near ready to take political power in the name of white nationalism...barring a cataclysmic collapse of society although in case that does happen we should be ready with some underground organization prepared to take advantage of such an event. Are we? I think not but maybe I'm just not aware of it.

The goal now is to awaken the non-WN white people to the threats facing them as a result of jewish domination of our societies. To do that we must expose the deceptive contradictions inherent in the various jewish scams being foisted on the people of the White Nations. Especially the contradictions in the jew dominated media presentation of the Muslim Problem as I have outlined in my previous post. That might get the attention of enough white people to start a nationalist bandwagon rolling.

It makes sense because the muslims are not our enemy, if we ally with them we can have a fighting chance against the jews.

The Muslims are not our enemy...WHERE? In Belgium,France,the Netherlands,Denmark,Germany,Kosovo,Chechnya? I believe that they are in those and other European White Nations.

In Iraq,Iran,Pakistan,Palestine (yes I call it Palestine),Lebanon and the other Muslim nations in the Middle East,Central Asia and South East Asia. No, I don't believe that they are our enemy in those places.

The jews want WNs to believe that Muslims are not a problem in Europe and that they are outside of Europe. That is the two pronged scam that they are pulling in preparation for their "Clash of Civilizations" jewish war to destroy White Western Civilization, crush the Muslim nations and implement the "final solution"...the ages old jewish agenda...world domination.

We WNs need to pull the wool off of our eyes and see the present situation as it really is. Before it is too late.

The Muslims are not our enemy...WHERE? In Belgium,France,the Netherlands,Denmark,Germany,

These immigrant problems are not related to the other insurgencies you mentioned. These problems were caused by our own governments, and the problem is not simply with Muslim immigrants but all non-white immigrants.


Kosovo,Chechnya? I believe that they are in those and other European White Nations.

Kosovo has more to do with Communism than Islam. Many of the Albanians are nominally Muslim but there are plenty of non-Muslim Albanians that caused trouble there. Chechnya was a colony of the Russian empire, and as such every Chechen gets automatic citizenship so long as Chechnya remains a part of Russia. Russians haven't lived their in a long time. It is a worthless black hole of Russia's dwindling human resources.


In Iraq,Iran,Pakistan,Palestine (yes I call it Palestine),Lebanon and the other Muslim nations in the Middle East,Central Asia and South East Asia. No, I don't believe that they are our enemy in those places.

Agreed.


The jews want WNs to believe that Muslims are not a problem in Europe and that they are outside of Europe.

"Muslims" aren't the problem in Europe- NON-EUROPEANS are the problem.


That is the two pronged scam that they are pulling in preparation for their "Clash of Civilizations" jewish war to destroy White Western Civilization, crush the Muslim nations and implement the "final solution"...the ages old jewish agenda...world domination.

If the Clash of Civilizations were simply a Jewish idea it would be far less threatening. But unfortunately so many "nationalist" parties and conservatives have jumped on it that even WNs get confused. You'll see the effects on Stormfront.

Immigration and crime are the two bells the FN hits the hardest so I don't think a FN government wouldn't be 'good for arabs' - in France - so this jewrnalist shouldn't be believed until what he predicts really happens. Le Pen was against the two Iraq wars and he said he preferred Saddam to the Saudis so you won't find many jews who like him.

The FN is an old-style nationalist party, anti-EU, pro-traditions, pro-farmers, pro-small villages and that sort of thing. They want to downsize the government and scraps tons of laws and they are of course protectionists. They're for the death penalty I think and they want tougher sentences for criminals. They want to change the laws so that not everyone who is born in France receive the nationality and they want to remove a lot of north-africans from France either by deporting them or by paying them to move out. Their immigration policy is of 'zero-immigration'. Officially the FN is non-racist, there's a few arabs and nigs in the party, but on their website there are often news about whites being attacked and murdered by muds and they talk about the anti-white racism of the 'north africans'. So if you're a WN in France the Front National is the best thing you've got even though its leader is a bit of a buffoon and a jet-setter.

The FN was pro-serb at a time when all the french media were bashing serbs and calling for NATO to bomb more. Le Pen once met Saddam and his wife was running a charity fund to help iraqi children.

Le Pen has been sued many times and fined for hundreds of thousands of $$ over his "offensive" speeches. The list is too long to be posted here. He once said the gas chambers were a detail of history, that immigrants living in France want to rule the country and oppress the natives, that the nazi occupation of France wasn't that bad (he was a resistance fighter or so he says), that his party was going to do to France what Jesus did in the temple, that the races weren't equal in some abilities.

His first wife called him a raving antisemite:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DEED91131F931A25757C0A96E948260

In an interview with the French edition of Rolling Stone that will be published Wednesday, Pierrette Le Pen says that her former husband is a raving anti-Semite who fondly refers to Hitler as Uncle Dolfie.

Mrs. Le Pen is quoted as paraphrasing her husband as saying routinely: ''That one's a Jew. The Jews are invading France. They're taking over all everywhere. You can't open a door without hearing a Jew talking. You can't turn on television without seeing a Jew.''


In the 1970s he was fined for publishing an album of Third Reich songs. Can't find much details about this one.

The FN's #2, Bruno Gollnisch (ironically married to a japanese woman - David Duke didn't tell you that), is being sued because he said historians should be free to debate the holocaust and the european parliament refused to give him immunity so he could go to jail or be fined a lot of $$.

One FN guy was fined something like 10,000 $ because he called immigrants invaders.

Le Pen and his daughter are often invited to participate in debates on TV but there's no FN-friendly major newspapers.

here's Jean-Marie with niggers in former french colony New-Caledonia
http://www.veritesurlefn.org/modules/xoopsgallery/cache/albums/album03/img148.jpg

here with Saddam
http://www.veritesurlefn.org/modules/xoopsgallery/cache/albums/album02/img174.jpg

Reagan
http://www.veritesurlefn.org/modules/xoopsgallery/cache/albums/album02/r1.jpg


a side note:
I don't think it was reported in the media outside France but the total numbers of torched cars in 05 - the whole year - was 45,000. Which would be about perhaps the equivalent of 250,000 cars in America. Nobody is being told how bad the criminality of the muds is in France. And what's worse is that it's illegal for any government agency to classify anyone by race so any racial statistics related to crime or anything else can only be an estimate based on the names of the individuals involved, which means anyone who wants to know say the proportion of arabs involved in rapes has to go through each case manually and look at the names and guess the race. It's insane

another note:
Nicolas Sarkozy, the half-jew who wants to be president, once said in an interview that stopping immigration was wrong because societies and civilizations have a greater risk of disappearing by inbreeding than by mixing with others.

In comparison to our jewish problem, everything else is distraction. And Muslim bashing helps no one but the jews.

Once international jewry is neutralized by mass exposure, the ZOGs will have been defeated, and we can then begin direct negotiations with non-White peoples for the adoption of policies that will greatly enhance our chances for racial survival and for the instauration of White people.

In comparison to our jewish problem, everything else is distraction. And Muslim bashing helps no one but the jews.

I agree, we as WN need to agree that race and religion is irrelevant at this time and stop the jewish powers while we still can.

I believe that they are in those and other European White Nations.

So you view muslims as the enemy only if they are living in a white country?

The jews want WNs to believe that Muslims are not a problem in Europe and that they are outside of Europe.

No the jews want us to see the muslim population inside our countries as a problem so the pressure can be taken of the jews and put on something that else, why do you think they ran the cartoons of the profit?

We WNs need to pull the wool off of our eyes and see the present situation as it really is. Before it is too late.

That the jews are the only problem and we should not waste our time on anything else.

story said:

“We have nothing against Islam as a religion,” the National Front Federation of the Var county, in Southern France, stated earlier this month.
Political analysts wonder how far the experiment can go. The real issue, many analysts say, is a schism within the French far right on who is the chief enemy.
The National Front has always been a coalition of two very distinct political families: Neofascists, like Mr. Le Pen himself, and traditional, Christian right-wingers.
Neofascists think Jews and Americans are the chief enemy, rather than Arabs and Muslims. In a way, they even tend to celebrate Arabs and Muslims as fellow fascists. As for Christian right-wingers, they see Arabs and Muslims as the chief enemy.
For years, Mr. Le Pen has been pretending he is a Christian right-winger rather than a Neofascist and that resistance to Muslim immigration is his major concern. Now he has emerged on the side of the Neofascist branch

Ha, I'll bet that's got the Jews piddling their panties. Le Pen is in a better position to stop the immigration invasion to France and that would probably have to include some kind of "deal" with foreign Arab nations especially if it included REPATRIATION. Jews and lying cheating White communists are the biggest impediments to getting that done not "Muslims."

I am very frustrated over my failure to make my argument clear so I will try again to state it as succinctly as possible.

Before I start let me say unambiguously that I do not hate Muslims nor do I approve of the irrational Muslim banishing that we are currently seeing.

I will limit my analysis to the situation in Europe. I also recognize the fact, as some have pointed out, that some Muslims are white. These are mostly Bosnians, Albanians/Kosovars (80% Muslim who wield virtually all of the power) and Chechnyans (and some small neighboring countries). They are on the periphery of Europe, marginalized and few in number compared to the bulk of the Muslims in Europe who are non-white.

So: 1) The jews are engaged in a massive campaign of deception with regard to both the Muslim Problem and the impending "Clash of Civilizations" war.

2) One step in this campaign has been to provoke the Muslims to violence with the cartoons and the new Abu Ghraib photos.

3) As the jews hoped, this has led to two responses by white Europeans:
First, anti-Muslim sentiment, bashing and hatred among non-White Nationalist whites. The purpose of this is to gain support for their "Clash of Civilizations" war.
Second,for White Nationalists to conclude that since the jews seem to want us to be anti-Muslim we ought to do the contrary and either be pro-Muslim or at least ignore the Muslim Problem as a jew created diversion of our attention away from the jews.

4) The effect of this has been to split white Europeans (and Americans) into two camps: non-WNs, anti-Muslim and, WNs, let us say, non-anti-Muslim.

5) The jewish media has framed the debate in very simplistic terms designed to serve their ends: a) For non-WNs, there is a Muslim Problem in Europe and therefore you must support us in our "Clash of Civilizations" war. b) For WNs, there is no Muslim Problem or it can be ignored as a diversion from the bigger problem which is the jews.

6) The jews WANT WNs to believe that there is no Muslim Problem or to ignore it knowing full well that we do not have time to expose the jewish control of the governments of the White Nations before they launch their "Clash of Civilizations" war.

7) Once the "Clash of Civilizations" war against the Muslim Nations is underway, white Europeans (and most likely Americans too) will find themselves confronted at home with a large, violent, enraged Muslim population. They will serve as a fifth column unloyal to their nations of residence and well known to all as willing to sacrifice themselves in defense of Islam and their "home" nations in Dar al-Islam...the Muslim nations.

8) The jews seem set to get what they want: chaos within the White Nations and the demise of Western Civilization, complete military defeat and ruin of the Muslim nations, the expansion of Eretz Israel to what they believe to be its full extent and the "final solution" of their ages-old, group evolutionary agenda...total control by the scattered elements of the jewish diaspora within every nation in the world and the existence of Israel as its nerve center.

9) The hypothetical offer that I have previously suggested that we make, namely that we leave the Muslim nations and they leave ours, was made primarily as a tactical maneuver. To present this offer and have it resisted fiercely by the jews would expose the scam that they are pulling.

They do not want the White Nations to be rid of the Muslims. They created the political and intellectual climate that brought this problem upon us. They do not want the White Nations to withdraw from the Muslim nations, in fact they want them to be the military force which invades the Muslim nations. An invasion that serves only the interests of the jews.

What I have been proposing is that we, the WNs, make the contradictions in the jewish presentation of the situation clear to all white people everywhere...within the White Nations the Muslim Problem is a serious threat to our survival; globally the Muslim nations are not our enemies...there is no inevitable "Clash of Civilizations".

We must expose this jewish deception to public view. Such exposure could be the catalyst that awakens many whites to the jewish threat.

If I have not made myself clear yet, I don't know what more I can say. Yes, I know that the jews are the major problem but this cannot lead us to believe that the Muslim Problem can be ignored.

The Jews aren't that smart, in fact they are still as stupid and primitive as they always were. The fact that they attained so much influence in our society is due to our own flaws- which we can control. There really IS no Muslim problem. How are Muslim non-whites any worse than other masses of non-whites, to the extent that we need to single out "Islam" thus alienating several million whites in the process. Why say anything other than non-Aryan?

The Jews aren't that smart, in fact they are still as stupid and primitive as they always were. The fact that they attained so much influence in our society is due to our own flaws- which we can control. There really IS no Muslim problem. How are Muslim non-whites any worse than other masses of non-whites, to the extent that we need to single out "Islam" thus alienating several million whites in the process. Why say anything other than non-Aryan?

Wow! Three whole minutes spent reading what I spent hours writing and then thinking about what I said and then thinking about what you would say and then typing what you had to say.

I'm impressed, JP, really I am. Impressed with what, I won't say lest I start a flame war.

Wow! Three whole minutes spent reading what I spent hours writing and then thinking about what I said and then thinking about what you would say and then typing what you had to say.

I'm impressed, JP, really I am. Impressed with what, I won't say lest I start a flame war.


I did read what you wrote, and though I agree with the tactical recommendations I don't believe that the Jews have everything so wrapped up in their grasp. What is happening now in Europe is the inevitably result of their idiotic ideas, and they are getting desperate to correct this. I don't believe the Jews(a lot of Western European nations have far more miniscule Jewish communties) are really overly concerned with what we believe because they don't see us as a legitimate and significant political force.


I am just saying that there is no reason for us to give any creedence to a "Muslim" problem on the grounds that we are racialist. I've been banned from Stormfront twice for pointing that out.

I did read what you wrote, and though I agree with the tactical recommendations I don't believe that the Jews have everything so wrapped up in their grasp. What is happening now in Europe is the inevitably result of their idiotic ideas, and they are getting desperate to correct this. I don't believe the Jews(a lot of Western European nations have far more miniscule Jewish communties) are really overly concerned with what we believe because they don't see us as a legitimate and significant political force.

It only takes a few virus particles invading an organism to destroy it.

Consider this: The last chairman of the Federal Reserve was Alan Greenspan, the current one is Benjamin Bernanke...both jews.

The last president of the World Bank was James Wolfensohn, the current president is Paul Wolfowitz (yes, that Wolfowitz)...both jews. And Wolf-s?

In my lifetime Henry Kissinger and Madeleine Albright have served (just WHO did they serve?) as Secretary of State...both jews.

I could go on but need I?

I am just saying that there is no reason for us to give any creedence to a "Muslim" problem on the grounds that we are racialist. I've been banned from Stormfront twice for pointing that out.

Which supports my argument. Stormfront has been somewhat...what's a kind word for it...befuddled by the jews. They seem to be lacking a bit in WN fervor. They may have become part of what I described as the non-WN white people who have been duped into bashing and hating Muslims in response to jewish deception.

I can't say that with certainty since I only know about their position by reflection here on VNNF. I don't go there often. Can you refer me to the thread on SF where they are discussing the existence or non-existence of a Muslim Problem?

This ain't your granddaddy's France, and Le Pen realizes that. He can't afford to alienate such a large section of possible voters and expect to gain power. I wont fool myself into thinking any political leader will get these niggers and muds to pack up and go back to their places of origin. If he can do this, the man is a savior.

It only takes a few virus particles invading an organism to destroy it.

Consider this: The last chairman of the Federal Reserve was Alan Greenspan, the current one is Benjamin Bernanke...both jews.

The last president of the World Bank was James Wolfensohn, the current president is Paul Wolfowitz (yes, that Wolfowitz)...both jews.

In my lifetime Henry Kissinger and Madeleine Albright have served (just WHO did they serve?) as Secretary of State...both jews.

I could go on but need I?

No you need not, trust me, I've read this before. But the point is that their unity as a people is breaking up and the consequences of their ideas and actions are coming home to roost. I would not attribute any more power to them than they deserve, lest it spread defeatism or distract attention away from the corrupt within our race- without which Jews would never have any political power.



Which supports my argument. Stormfront has been somewhat...what's a kind word for it...befuddled by the jews. They seem to be lacking a bit in WN fervor. They may have become part of what I described as the non-WN white people who have been duped into bashing and hating Muslims in response to jewish deception.

I can't say that with certainty since I only know about their position by reflection here on VNNF. I don't go there often. Can you refer me to the thread on SF where they are discussing the existence or non-existence of a Muslim Problem?


Generally you can find such threads almost anywhere on Stormfront. The news and poll forums are the best place to start. The problem with Stormfront is that too many long-standing members, as well as newcomers, are basically paleo-conservatives or mainstream conservatives- which means they suffer from the problem that the right-wing has always had: Reaction to superficial problems that distracts from the root causes of those problems. Spend enough time there and you'll see what I am talking about.

The Jews aren't that smart,

I disagree with this statement and say that the jew or jews in general are very smart.

No you need not, trust me, I've read this before. But the point is that their unity as a people is breaking up and the consequences of their ideas and actions are coming home to roost. I would not attribute any more power to them than they deserve, lest it spread defeatism or distract attention away from the corrupt within our race- without which Jews would never have any political power.





Generally you can find such threads almost anywhere on Stormfront. The news and poll forums are the best place to start. The problem with Stormfront is that too many long-standing members, as well as newcomers, are basically paleo-conservatives or mainstream conservatives- which means they suffer from the problem that the right-wing has always had: Reaction to superficial problems that distracts from the root causes of those problems. Spend enough time there and you'll see what I am talking about.

I've seen the same thing on Stormfront in the last few years, I believe that many of the newly arriving Conservatives on there just pretend and play along with the traditional WN "Jewish focus" because they don't want to be attacked by the older members. Honestly they don't really see the Jewish issue at all.

I've seen the same thing on Stormfront in the last few years, I believe that many of the newly arriving Conservatives on there just pretend and play along with the traditional WN "Jewish focus" because they don't want to be attacked by the older members. Honestly they don't really see the Jewish issue at all.

Yeah but I think that existence is sustained due to peopel among the sustaining members and moderators who fall under the conservative description.

I am very frustrated over my failure to make my argument clear so I will try again to state it as succinctly as possible.

Before I start let me say unambiguously that I do not hate Muslims nor do I approve of the irrational Muslim banishing that we are currently seeing.

I will limit my analysis to the situation in Europe. I also recognize the fact, as some have pointed out, that some Muslims are white. These are mostly Bosnians, Albanians/Kosovars (80% Muslim who wield virtually all of the power) and Chechnyans (and some small neighboring countries). They are on the periphery of Europe, marginalized and few in number compared to the bulk of the Muslims in Europe who are non-white.

So: 1) The jews are engaged in a massive campaign of deception with regard to both the Muslim Problem and the impending "Clash of Civilizations" war.

2) One step in this campaign has been to provoke the Muslims to violence with the cartoons and the new Abu Ghraib photos.

3) As the jews hoped, this has led to two responses by white Europeans:
First, anti-Muslim sentiment, bashing and hatred among non-White Nationalist whites. The purpose of this is to gain support for their "Clash of Civilizations" war.
Second,for White Nationalists to conclude that since the jews seem to want us to be anti-Muslim we ought to do the contrary and either be pro-Muslim or at least ignore the Muslim Problem as a jew created diversion of our attention away from the jews.

4) The effect of this has been to split white Europeans (and Americans) into two camps: non-WNs, anti-Muslim and, WNs, let us say, non-anti-Muslim.

5) The jewish media has framed the debate in very simplistic terms designed to serve their ends: a) For non-WNs, there is a Muslim Problem in Europe and therefore you must support us in our "Clash of Civilizations" war. b) For WNs, there is no Muslim Problem or it can be ignored as a diversion from the bigger problem which is the jews.

6) The jews WANT WNs to believe that there is no Muslim Problem or to ignore it knowing full well that we do not have time to expose the jewish control of the governments of the White Nations before they launch their "Clash of Civilizations" war.

7) Once the "Clash of Civilizations" war against the Muslim Nations is underway, white Europeans (and most likely Americans too) will find themselves confronted at home with a large, violent, enraged Muslim population. They will serve as a fifth column unloyal to their nations of residence and well known to all as willing to sacrifice themselves in defense of Islam and their "home" nations in Dar al-Islam...the Muslim nations.

8) The jews seem set to get what they want: chaos within the White Nations and the demise of Western Civilization, complete military defeat and ruin of the Muslim nations, the expansion of Eretz Israel to what they believe to be its full extent and the "final solution" of their ages-old, group evolutionary agenda...total control by the scattered elements of the jewish diaspora within every nation in the world and the existence of Israel as its nerve center.

9) The hypothetical offer that I have previously suggested that we make, namely that we leave the Muslim nations and they leave ours, was made primarily as a tactical maneuver. To present this offer and have it resisted fiercely by the jews would expose the scam that they are pulling.

They do not want the White Nations to be rid of the Muslims. They created the political and intellectual climate that brought this problem upon us. They do not want the White Nations to withdraw from the Muslim nations, in fact they want them to be the military force which invades the Muslim nations. An invasion that serves only the interests of the jews.

What I have been proposing is that we, the WNs, make the contradictions in the jewish presentation of the situation clear to all white people everywhere...within the White Nations the Muslim Problem is a serious threat to our survival; globally the Muslim nations are not our enemies...there is no inevitable "Clash of Civilizations".

We must expose this jewish deception to public view. Such exposure could be the catalyst that awakens many whites to the jewish threat.

If I have not made myself clear yet, I don't know what more I can say. Yes, I know that the jews are the major problem but this cannot lead us to believe that the Muslim Problem can be ignored.

Burrhus, I greatly enjoyed your insightful posting above. Makes a hell of alot of good sense.

As I see it, there's little we can do now about either the Jewish or the much, much lesser, Muslim problem. Therefore, from a practical standpoint, I say we go all out to EXPOSE THE GD KIKES as persuasively and as extensively as we possible can.

And when the economical balloon goes up here, as it surely will in the not too distant future, America's Muslims will go for the snake's jewish head, as will an increased number of WNs, if we do our job well meantime.

When the smoke settles, THEN we'll make America's Muslims the offer you suggested.

www.jtf.org

We could turn this game around. Incite the muslims against the jews. This is easy. Rub them in abortion is worse than the holocaust. This forces to either abandon their high birthrates, or become even more anti-jew than they already are. Thje same technique could be used against jews. Pointing out that abortion is worse than the holocaust makes them either force to abandon holocaustianity, or lose the remnants of their religious people and thereby any chance of demographic recovery.

We could turn this game around. Incite the muslims against the jews. This is easy. Rub them in abortion is worse than the holocaust. This forces to either abandon their high birthrates, or become even more anti-jew than they already are. Thje same technique could be used against jews. Pointing out that abortion is worse than the holocaust makes them either force to abandon holocaustianity, or lose the remnants of their religious people and thereby any chance of demographic recovery.

Ah no, this is by far the dumbest reply I have heard in a long time.

Burrhus, I greatly enjoyed your insightful posting above. Makes a hell of alot of good sense.

As I see it, there's little we can do now about either the Jewish or the much, much lesser, Muslim problem. Therefore, from a practical standpoint, I say we go all out to EXPOSE THE GD KIKES as persuasively and as extensively as we possible can.

And when the economical balloon goes up here, as it surely will in the not too distant future, America's Muslims will go for the snake's jewish head, as will an increased number of WNs, if we do our job well meantime.

When the smoke settles, THEN we'll make America's Muslims the offer you suggested.

Thank you for the compliment. I worked very hard on that post.

My intention in making the offer to the Muslims was not made with any real hope that they would accept it. I doubt that they would. When we rid ourselves of the jewish problem we can make it again as you suggest. I am confident that the second, post-jewish-era offer will be accepted gladly.

What I really want to achieve with it is precisely what you expressed a desire to do-- "I say we go all out to EXPOSE THE GD KIKES as persuasively and as extensively as we possible can.". If we could make this offer public and widely known, my hope is that it would provoke the jewish mainstream media to attack the idea in their usual jew-selfish manner.

It is this attack against the offer that I really want. When the non-WN whites hear the jews rabidly attacking this clearly reasonable idea, some of them might see through the jews deceit and be awakened. They might ask themselves why it is that the jews insist that it is wrong for white people to want be rid of a troublesome non-white fifth column within our nations. They might ask why it is that at the same time that the jews demand that we accept the Muslims amongst us in the spirit of jewish inspired "multicultural brotherly love", they, the jews, are using our wealth and our children's blood to wage war against the homelands of those very same Mulsims that they have told us we must accept with Christian love within our White Nations.

It is my hope that some white people, some millions perhaps, might see the contradiction in this jewish attack and that their awakening to that particular jewish deception might act as a catalyst to an awakening in them of the larger problem of the near total dominance by the jews of our governments, schools, economies, and public discourse.

Something has to awaken the masses of sleeping white people if White Nationalism is to succeed and, possibly the offer that I have suggested and the contradictions in the jewish reponse to it might be that catalyst.

Thank you for the compliment. I worked very hard on that post.

My intention in making the offer to the Muslims was not made with any real hope that they would accept it. I doubt that they would. When we rid ourselves of the jewish problem we can make it again as you suggest. I am confident that the second, post-jewish-era offer will be accepted gladly.

What I really want to achieve with it is precisely what you expressed a desire to do-- "I say we go all out to EXPOSE THE GD KIKES as persuasively and as extensively as we possible can.". If we could make this offer public and widely known, my hope is that it would provoke the jewish mainstream media to attack the idea in their usual jew-selfish manner.

It is this attack against the offer that I really want. When the non-WN whites hear the jews rabidly attacking this clearly reasonable idea, some of them might see through the jews deceit and be awakened. They might ask themselves why it is that the jews insist that it is wrong for white people to want be rid of a troublesome non-white fifth column within our nations. They might ask why it is that at the same time that the jews demand that we accept the Muslims amongst us in the spirit of jewish inspired "multicultural brotherly love", they, the jews, are using our wealth and our children's blood to wage war against the homelands of those very same Mulsims that they have told us we must accept with Christian love within our White Nations.

It is my hope that some white people, some millions perhaps, might see the contradiction in this jewish attack and that their awakening to that particular jewish deception might act as a catalyst to an awakening in them of the larger problem of the near total dominance by the jews of our governments, schools, economies, and public discourse.

Something has to awaken the masses of sleeping white people if White Nationalism is to succeed and, possibly the offer that I have suggested and the contradictions in the jewish reponse to it might be that catalyst.

Maybe Alex can be persuaded to feature a large article in TAA, headlined: "ATTENTION MUSLIMS !!", and containing your suggested offer. That TAA article could then be mass mailed to hundreds of Arab and Muslim groups and media here and abroad, with courtesy copies mailed to jewsmedia newsroom directors, Associated Press, UPI, NY Times, TV networks, etc.

I enjoy and respect insights on this subject from both you AND J.P., and I don't see a hell of alot of difference.

Exposing jewish hypocrisy is super effective.

"Hey voters....Let's treat our minorities like God's chosen people in Israel treat their's. If we do, God will approve, therefore we can't go wrong. And the media won't be able to criticise our race relations policies without criticising Israel's."

Shit, if we do it that way, we can even legalize torture, slavery of non-Whites, and hit squads operating globally against our own enemy terrorists. And we can erect a fence on both borders, while systematically bombing suspected terrorists (drug kingpins and coyotes) thru out Mexico and South America.

Why not ? It's what God's chosen people do in Israel.

The Muslims are not our enemy...WHERE? In Belgium,France,the Netherlands,Denmark,Germany,Kosovo,Chechnya? I believe that they are in those and other European White Nations.

In Iraq,Iran,Pakistan,Palestine (yes I call it Palestine),Lebanon and the other Muslim nations in the Middle East,Central Asia and South East Asia. No, I don't believe that they are our enemy in those places.

The jews want WNs to believe that Muslims are not a problem in Europe and that they are outside of Europe. That is the two pronged scam that they are pulling in preparation for their "Clash of Civilizations" jewish war to destroy White Western Civilization, crush the Muslim nations and implement the "final solution"...the ages old jewish agenda...world domination.

We WNs need to pull the wool off of our eyes and see the present situation as it really is. Before it is too late.

I hate to say that I told you so but...I told you so.

Muslim Vote Tips the Balance in Netherlands
From the desk of Paul Belien on Wed, 2006-03-08 15:59
Yesterday’s municipal elections in the Netherlands were won by the Left. The Labour Party (PvdA) gained more than 500 town hall seats, an increase of 50 per cent compared with 2002, while the far-left Socialist Party (SP) doubled its number of seats. The Christian-Democrat CDA of Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende and his government coalition partner, the free-market Liberal VVD, suffered heavy losses. Yesterday’s result does not bode well for the Right in next year’s general elections. If the result in 2007 is the same as yesterday’s the PvdA will gain 49 of the 150 parliamentary seats, while the CDA – currently the largest party – will lose 13 of its 44 seats. A government of Labour, the SP and the extreme-left Groen Links (Green Left) Party could replace the current center-right government, leaving the Netherlands with a radical-left coalition similar to that of Norway today.

Today the center-left newspaper De Volkskrant writes that the immigrant vote has tipped the balance in favour of the Left. This should not come as a surprise. All across Europe, immigrants tend to vote for the Left. The Left is perceived to be the welfare state’s Santa Claus. Most of the immigrants who came to Europe during the past decades were attracted by the generous welfare benefits which Western Europe lavishly bestows on the “underprivileged.” Today, owing to their demographic growth, the immigrant vote is increasing as more and more young immigrants reach voting age. In many countries the Left has begun to cater for the immigrants, aware that the immigrants guarantee their power.

According to the Institute for Migration and Ethnic Studies of the University of Amsterdam 80% of the non-indigenous electorate voted for Labour. This explains why cities such as Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Breda and Arnhem succumbed to the Left. 84% of the Turks voted for the PvdA; 81% of the Antillians/Surinamese did likewise. Of the Moroccans 78% voted Labour and 12% voted Green Left.

The center-right VVD, the party of famous Dutch policians such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Frits Bolkestein, received only 1% of the immigrant vote. The CDA got 3%, the SP 5% and Green Left 7%.

According to De Telegraaf, the largest paper in the country, immigrant voters have become a power block.

The effects of the immigrant vote will soon be visible. The Amsterdam borough of De Baarsjes has already decided to remove a white cross which serves as a memorial to the Second World War. The cross is situated not far from the place where a mosque is being built. According to the authorities “Muslims and Jews” take offense at the cross as a war memorial. “We told them that it is a Dutch tradition to refer to the dead with a cross. However, the cross is seen as a reference to Christianity. I can understand this,” the local (Christian-Democrat) councillor, Jan Voetberg, said.
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/890

If you want to win in politics you need to do and say whatever it takes to get elected, even if that means making alliances with Muslims in the short term. As much as Muslims threaten European identity they are a secondary problem. Dislodging the Jews from power is the main problem everywhere.

When has LePen ever come out as having an anti-Jewish agenda? Doesn't he have Jewish in-laws?

The strongest statement on the Jews I've heard attributed to him was his "the Holocaust is a footnote of history" comment.

And what if Le Pen did win, miraculously, with the help of the Muslims.

This is stupid. Why would any foreigner vote for LePen? This scenario would be about the equivalent of David Duke trying to win an election by gaining the mestizo vote.

"Muslims" aren't the problem in Europe- NON-EUROPEANS are the problem.


Who happen to be overwhelmingly Muslim. Thus for now, they are functional equivalents.

Le Pen is a puppet to divert real discontent back to welcoming Jewish hands. He is seconded by a Jewish neocon (Bruno Golnisch), he is totally pro-Jewish, he is only against muslim presence in France, NOT against the nigger/oriental infestation. He is totally for the idea of a France where only 2/3 of the population is of true French origins (only 4/5 are even Europeans). His party has its share of niggers, more than enough Jews and almost no French people at all (Le Pen himself is a Breton from Martinica).

Le Pen himself is a Breton from Martinica.

Breton = Briton ?