Most U.S. high school dropouts regretful - study


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Most students who drop out of high school in the United States admit they made a mistake by quitting and some say they might have stayed if classes were more challenging, according to a report released on Thursday.

Researchers said they were surprised to find that a majority of the 467 dropouts they interviewed were not what most people would consider underachieving troublemakers and losers.

One-third said they were failing in school, but more than six out of 10 were maintaining C averages or better when they quit. Almost half said they were bored or that the classwork seemed irrelevant.

"The teacher just stood in front of the room and just talked and didn't really like involve you," a young female respondent from Baltimore said.

"There wasn't anybody to keep me there," said a young man from Philadelphia who dreamed of going to college but quit high school with one year to go and is now unemployed.

"There wasn't any learning going on," another complained. "They make you take classes in school that you're never going to use in life."

Three out of four said if they could turn back the clock they would choose to stay, and eight out of 10 said they now recognized that a high school diploma was important to succeed in life.

Statistics show they are right. A high school dropout on average earns $9,200 less a year than a high school graduate, and about $1 million less over a lifetime than a college graduate.

'ARTICULATE, CAPABLE'

The study is one of the most extensive ever of American high school dropouts, of which there are about 1 million each year. It was based on research conducted by Peter Hart Research Associates and commissioned by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

"They struck us as articulate, capable," said John Bridgeland, one the report's authors and a former Bush administration domestic policy adviser. "These kids wanted to be doctors and nurses and engineers and astronauts and then they hit the schoolhouse door and they're confronted with an environment which is not inspiring, not engaging and often disorderly and unsafe."

"Some had high grades and were just bored out of their minds," Bridgeland told Reuters in a telephone interview. "They found no connection between the classroom and life and their career aspirations."

The young people between 16 and 25 who took part in the study called "The Silent Epidemic: Perspectives of High School Dropouts" were interviewed in 25 locations with high dropout rates. These included cities, suburbs and towns.

The report recommends federal, state and local efforts to offer students school options, engage parents and create early-warning systems for at-risk youths.

It also calls for more accurate tracking of dropouts and consideration of raising the legal dropout age to 18. Most states sets the compulsory school attendance age at 16 or 17.

"In fact, these kids cite too much freedom, which surprised us," Bridgeland said. "They get to high school and all of a sudden under state law they're permitted to drop out, many of the kids know that. They want more order and rules and expectations."


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..."These kids wanted to be doctors and nurses and engineers and astronauts and then they hit the schoolhouse door and they're confronted with an environment which is not inspiring, not engaging and often disorderly and unsafe."...Now what race do we now of whose young think they can do anything (thanks in part to Hymie-vision programming/advertising) even when they are dumb as bricks? Also, if all you can manage is a 'C' average in a modern 'Kwa high school, what does that say about your actual potential? From the inexperienced perspective of the young, the term 'irrelevance' could be applied to many high school courses, including those that are indeed important, like advanced Algebra and American history. Kids have been complaining about irrelevance forever. At that age, they are still too young to be able to judge correctly what is and what is not going to be important to know later in life. Witness the number of dropouts who say they regretted dropping out.
..The report recommends federal, state and local efforts to offer students school options, engage parents and create early-warning systems for at-risk youths....So the recommendation is that we waste even more time and money on the stupid and the lazy. LaTisha and Tyrone need mo' money so they be graduatin' an' shit. Not.
...based on research conducted by Peter Hart Research Associates and commissioned by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation....That right there should tell you that we'll never get the real numbers on the racial breakdown of the study's participants.

This isn't news, it's just a filler piece, something to put between all the ads.
We don't get news from the major media , some sensational stories mixed with tons of filler pieces, a pound of hamburger mixed with a ton of sawdust .

The best young men drop out of the education system and even society in general as it is so sick and wrong.

The best young men drop out of the education system and even society in general as it is so sick and wrong.

In many cases, this is absolutely true.

In alberta most young boys drop out because they can start working the oil patch and make a pile of money. I can see their point because high school is nothing more than a joke and if you do not want to go onto a post secondary institution it is a waste of time.

In alberta most young boys drop out because they can start working the oil patch and make a pile of money. I can see their point because high school is nothing more than a joke and if you do not want to go onto a post secondary institution it is a waste of time.

they allow kids , high school age , to have full time jobs , in Canada ?

they allow kids , high school age , to have full time jobs , in Canada ?

Is there a good reason not to?

Is there a good reason not to?

Sure ,

It draws down wages by injecting too many people in the labor force ( the original reason to ban child-labor ).

Teen years should be used for learning , when the mind is agile .

It draws down wages by injecting too many people in the labor force ( the original reason to ban child-labor ).

Why would it draw down wagers? The oil patch need workers.

Teen years should be used for learning , when the mind is agile .

And what are they going to learn in the last bit of high school?

It also calls for more accurate tracking of dropouts and consideration of raising the legal dropout age to 18. Most states sets the compulsory school attendance age at 16 or 17.

Splendid idea. Force the best and brightest to mix it up with the dull, violent and disturbed element for another two years. That'll show 'em what real life is all about. "The stupid and the brutal rule this society, and you're gonna have to deal with it, bookworm. Good luck." A better formula for turning intelligent and sensitive young Whites into bitter self-hating leftists (if they're in an all-White school), or simply breaking them psychologically (if they're in a multiracial school), could not be imagined.

I would guess that many, if not most, of these so-called "dropouts" left their prison-for-kids because they simply could not take it any more, and are probably ashamed to admit it.

"In fact, these kids cite too much freedom, which surprised us," Bridgeland said. "They get to high school and all of a sudden under state law they're permitted to drop out, many of the kids know that. They want more order and rules and expectations."

Meaning, they want more order and rules and expectations for that element which is constantly disrupting their studies by making them run a daily gauntlet of harassment, humiliation and violence. For those in urban areas, it must be quite a task to reconcile a teacher's emphatic lecture on the value of diversity with the reality of the niggers and spics who are going to beat the hell out of them after class. For those in rural areas, it must serve as empirical proof of the inherent evil nature of Whites--just as the television tells them. And the adults who "study" this phenomenon seem to think these kids mean too much freedom for themselves.

What happened to GEDs? Last I checked, you could get into quite a few colleges if you had one. Perhaps they've been outlawed by ZOG, which is not an enthusiastic advocate of independent and bright White children thinking for themselves.

Why would it draw down wagers? The oil patch need workers.

Law of supply and demand , more workers = lower wages .
( keep in mind , you are in a unique and temporary situation . )


And what are they going to learn in the last bit of high school?

There is so much to learn it is beyond listing , just a few calculus, chemistry , engineering , a trade , just too much to list .



The situation that you are in will last for awhile but it isn't permanent .

I drooped out of HS-big mistake

Then enlisted in MC-bigger mistake

Then went to VN-biggest mistake

finely came home after two tours(even bigger mistake) and went back to finish HS-just 31/2 yrs late.

There is so much to learn it is beyond listing , just a few calculus, chemistry , engineering , a trade , just too much to list

Those skills are useless if the student does not want to go onto a post secondary institution.

The situation that you are in will last for awhile but it isn't permanent .

It will last many a year after I am dead.

Those skills are useless if the student does not want to go onto a post secondary institution.

Absolutely untrue ! Calculus can come in handy on figuring irregular volumes, useful in moving earth or calculating volumes of reservoirs, it's very useful in related rate problems. Imaginary Numbers are absolutely necessary in AC electronics and mechanical stress.

Chemistry is necessary in just about everything , even buying stocks . People who were ignorant of basic chemistry were cleaned out by false claim that a company could do hydrolysis without energy . People who were savvy in chemistry kept their money .



It will last many a year after I am dead.

You plan on dying soon ? You don't know the nature of the oil biz , it's very cyclical . Didn't I talk to you in 1978 ? Same conversation :)



The more educated the average person is , the better the overall society !

You plan on dying soon ? You don't know the nature of the oil biz , it's very cyclical . Didn't I talk to you in 1978 ? Same conversation

Do you understand how much oil this earth has? We are seeing record numbers of wells being drilled each year and it is not going to slow down. We have only scratched the surface of what we can find and process.

Absolutely untrue ! Calculus can come in handy on figuring irregular volumes, useful in moving earth or calculating volumes of reservoirs, it's very useful in related rate problems. Imaginary Numbers are absolutely necessary in AC electronics and mechanical stress.

If you need to have certain information to do your job then you will be trained.

The more educated the average person is , the better the overall society !

Have you noticed how stupid the average white person is now days, I do not think they can grasp most subjects.

Do you understand how much oil this earth has? We are seeing record numbers of wells being drilled each year and it is not going to slow down. We have only scratched the surface of what we can find and process.

You don't understand the point . When oil consumption drops, drilling activity drops to nil .


If you need to have certain information to do your job then you will be trained.

What planet do you live on ?

Have you noticed how stupid the average white person is now days, I do not think they can grasp most subjects.

That isn't inate , it is by conditioning and culture . Both of which can and will be change .

You sure have a strange outlook on life , pessimism carried to defeatism .

You don't understand the point . When oil consumption drops, drilling activity drops to nil .

And oil will be replaced by what? It is not just basic fuel that is a major consumption.

And oil will be replaced by what? It is not just basic fuel that is a major consumption.

Doesn't have to be replaced by anything , just slack demand can drive down drill activity , like 1981 to 1998.

Meaning, they want more order and rules and expectations for that element which is constantly disrupting their studies by making them run a daily gauntlet of harassment, humiliation and violence. For those in urban areas, it must be quite a task to reconcile a teacher's emphatic lecture on the value of diversity with the reality of the niggers and spics who are going to beat the hell out of them after class. For those in rural areas, it must serve as empirical proof of the inherent evil nature of Whites--just as the television tells them. And the adults who "study" this phenomenon seem to think these kids mean too much freedom for themselves.

What happened to GEDs? Last I checked, you could get into quite a few colleges if you had one. Perhaps they've been outlawed by ZOG, which is not an enthusiastic advocate of independent and bright White children thinking for themselves.

Interesting. When I was in high school (I graduated in 1999) it tended to be the niggers/spics/druggies/teenage mothers who dropped out. I don't know of any smart white children who didn't stay until graduation. It seems that you're suggesting that what happens is the opposite.... perhaps it varies by location?

Anyway, if you have different levels of classes (regular/vocational/college bound) as my high school did, then you really don't have to worry about being bothered by the monkeys, as very few of them will actually end up in the college bound courses.

just slack demand can drive down drill activity

Slack demand? Maybe in the US but in canada drilling and servicing has never settled down.

Anyway, if you have different levels of classes (regular/vocational/college bound) as my high school did, then you really don't have to worry about being bothered by the monkeys, as very few of them will actually end up in the college bound courses.

This is one reason the jewish controlled NAACP doesn't want ability seperated classes .

And oil will be replaced by what? It is not just basic fuel that is a major consumption.

I cannot believe the stuff your saying. You seem to think oil is unlimited, and your poo-pooing education, at the same time. How do you think your oil wells got built? Engineering, maybe. The oil was already there, but someone had to figure out how to get it. I can guarantee you it wasn't some high school dropout, that figured this one out.

I have news for ya Poindexter, oil is gonna be replaced, by what, I don't know. It will probably be chemical, Hydrogen is looking pretty good. The earth is 78% water, and water is H2O. There are also possiblilties using magnetics as well.

Don't knock education, or science, it will be our salvation, one day. we will run out of oil, then what?

You have a lot to learn. Pick up a book, and get some knowledge.

Don't knock education, or science, it will be our salvation, one day.

You people sure like to assume the worst, I was making a point and I never cut down science!

It will probably be chemical, Hydrogen is looking pretty good. The earth is 78% water, and water is H2O.

Keep dreaming.

You people sure like to assume the worst,

Yep, that sure seems to be true, these WN folks are quick to condemn . Even on the slightest amount of information .


Keep dreaming.

Hydrolysis of water has been known of for over 140 yrs ....... it is only a matter of economics , to make it practical . Harry Braun has done a lot of research into hydrogen fuel, he has a lot of good concepts http://www.hydrogennow.org/. Iceland has made a national commitment to go all hydrogen and eliminate the use of hydrocarbons entirely, gee them black folks sure is smart :p

P.S. Hydrogen is an element , not a chemical :)

And where are your lubricants going to come from?

You people sure like to assume the worst, I was making a point and I never cut down science!



Keep dreaming.

You did, so don't backpedal, on this one. I'm just saying, you should do what you can to educate yourself.

You did, so don't backpedal, on this one. I'm just saying, you should do what you can to educate yourself.

I am saying you are wrong because I never cut down science in this thread, an "education" does not denote intelligence.

And where are your lubricants going to come from?

Once the demand for oil as a fuel was reduced, there would be so much oil available for lubricants that it would last for 1000's of years .


( any modern lubricant can be synthesized from coal tar , just as fuel can be produced from coal . )

any modern lubricant can be synthesized from coal tar , just as fuel can be produced from coal .

So you want to go back in time?

So you want to go back in time?


It would be a step into the future, there's a lot more BTU's locked up in coal than there is in oil . It is just that oil is so damn convenient to use, just turn a valve and it flows , sweat !

It is just that oil is so damn convenient to use, just turn a valve and it flows , sweat !

It is a little more complicated then that.