A reader sent a sonogram of his White-child-on-the-way the other day, a great thing indeed. Elsewhere in this forum a young woman said she and husband are waiting till they're better off to have kids. Here are some observations on raising kids.

1) It doesn't cost all that much. Birth does, about $5000 (with insurance covering 6k, if you have the usual crappy insurance). But from week to week, a child only costs about $20.

2) You'll reach a point in your life where your siblings are the only ones who remember the same things you do, for the percentage of events in your life that you want to remember. No joke. People suck. So, you want to have a bunch of kids.

3) Waiting till you're comfortable? That's wrong. Kids don't know they're poor until someone else tells them, about age ten. Otherwise, the way they grow up is what they know, and as good as anything.

4) It doesn't take money to raise kids, it takes energy. A 24-year-old woman doesn't know what it's like not to have as much energy as you used to. The sad truth is that you lose energy (and fertility) after your late twenties. In fact, you lose fertility, both men and women, after your TEENS. Don't put it off. Kids are not really the impediment people think, and it's not all about you anyway, and this takes no account of the positive side anyway.

5) What new parents really need is diapers. You can get all the clothes your kid will ever wear at a couple garage sales. But more likely your female relatives will want to buy it gifts. I still think spending money on retail clothes for quick growing babies is a misuse of the money. Take the money you would have spent on clothes, and buy gold with it. Leads to the next point:

6) Prepare a "Freedom Fund" for your kid. put in a few thousand a year and the kid will have 100k at least when he reaches majority. You have little until you have financial independence, and that means owning a house outright. Don't wait till you're 40 to discover this. Save your money, stay out of debt, acquire the things you need, stay off the tv and out of the materialist mindset.

7) The young woman says she admires intelligence. I thought that way too in my twenties. What she will eventually learn is that intelligence is, if not common, pretty much a commodity. There are plenty of smart people, and you can rent them as needed. What you can't buy, and what is truly rare and valuable, is loyalty.

8) Kids refresh your apprecation for life, as they're seeing it all for the first time, where you're seeing only the same old thing.

9) Women are built to have kids, and they are happiest when pregnant, because it's the only thing that makes use of their unique abilities. They aren't really built for thinking. The fact that men created the bra pretty much tells you what you need to know.

10) Men and women may be partners, but they are not equals. The man is the head of the family. The law may disagree, but this is why our society is so messed up: the wrong men rule, and propagate laws that fight biological reality. If you take it into account, you and your family will be much better off.

11) They say the child is the father to the man. This is true. The first time you look in your kid's eyes, you're overwhelmed, if you have any reflective capacity, by the thought: Jesus, they're letting me loose on this thing?! It forces you to face your own inadequacies squarely and call out your latent capacity for self-control. Or you can be a slacker, and dress like shit, and watch tv and help Jack Black and Ben Stiller, two jews, make their next million dollars. Better to build a family and progress on all fronts - financial, familial, political - simultaneously. All a kid does is force you to discipline your behavior, and concentrate your energy more carefully. Hell, they're asleep 14 hours out of the day anyway.

12) Get your kid on a schedule. Up at 7am, to bed at 7pm. Two 1.5 hour naps during the day. Set feeding times. This way you have a structure to cling to, like a dirt-eating moron clinging to his bible. You need that structure. It's not self-evident what you do, as with most things.

13) Ignore the experts. They are mostly buck-builders out to scare you, just the same as democratic politicians. They have no incentive to tell you the true risks of anything, as they're drab. Men must dominate here. Women tend to be weak-minded, and that means they're easily influenced. Don't let charlatans get in her head. Kill your televitz. Set Spock on simmer.

14) Being a man does not mean not cleaning the house, or counting on the women to do all the rest. I don't believe in traditional skills. Boys and girls should be cross-trained in all the functions of running a house. The knight-lady pattern is ugly, and the WN that promote that so-called Ideal do us damage. The strong, athletic, cross-trained athletic ideal is more appealing to me and to most Aryans than putting the female animal on a pedestal. No pedestals! That is not to say that female beauty is not perhaps the main driver in male behavior. It really is. The woman's real cultural power lies in inspiring the man, apart from bearing children. But men have the duty to understand that even though the woman is amazing in her beauty, you are still the leader, and that hot little minx is still your charge. She's a female animal, and you must lead her, on a chain if necessary. Women want men to lead. For every 100 implumous bipeds with male appendages there are a handful of men. You women know that is true.

More thoughts as they come. Use this subforum for tips on money matters and general observations on raising children. I'm ten months into it, at 39, and I find it's not really difficult, but a steady, low pressure. Children grow up very quickly. Heidi, at ten months, is just on the verge of walking. She can take five or six steps before she realizes she's not holding on to your finger and falls down. She's on the verge of talking too.

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Here are some observations on raising kids.

Get your kid on a schedule. Up at 7am, to bed at 7pm. Two 1.5 hour naps during the day. Set feeding times. This way you have a structure to cling to, like a dirt-eating moron clinging to his bible. You need that structure. It's not self-evident what you do, as with most things.

Wrong-o. What do you plan to do when your tiny, growing child is not hungry according to your schedule? Punish her? Let her scream for 3 hours until the next properly scheduled feed? These are children, not cattle.

She's a female animal, and you must lead her, on a chain if necessary. Women want men to lead.

Is that a bit of B&D/S&M I see here disguised as "How to Build a Happy Family"?

I'm ten months into it, at 39, and I find it's not really difficult, but a steady, low pressure.

Wait.

Wrong-o. What do you plan to do when your tiny, growing child is not hungry according to your schedule? Punish her? Let her scream for 3 hours until the next properly scheduled feed? These are children, not cattle.

Tell her that the next meal will be sauerkraut if she doesn't behave , seems to work . :)

Wait.

It is certain that Alexs' ideas will be 10,000 times more realistic than spooky Spock . ( My relatives can give you an earful on faults in Spocks' methods ).

We will follow this epic , with keen interest .



Stronza , how many have you raised ? Ages - gender ?

Alex,

The garage sale/ thrift store clothing approach works only to a certain age.

You can get great little used outfits for your child until they reach about 4 years old. I have some of the most cute outfits for Dresden that I bought for only about a dollar. Scroll about halfway down the page to see Dresden's watermelon dress as an example.
http://dresdenfans.blogspot.com/2005_10_01_dresdenfans_archive.html

The problem is that at about 4 years old the clothes that you find at most thrift stores and garage sales is so worn out or stained that you cannot use it. My girls will still find the odd outfit at a thrift store but for the most part they want new clothes when they get to be teenagers. I suggest telling your wife to learn to sew NOW so that when Heidi gets to be 8 or 9 she is able to construct some nice little dresses for her.It is not necessarily more economical but it will at least give you clothes that dont look like they belong on Erika Gliebe, which is what most of the stuff in the stores looks like.

Also, about that freedom fund. I would sure stay away from anything like paper and a bank. Silver would be my suggestion, in one ounce rounds.

You can never be to rich, too thin or have too many ...... .books. The local libraries regularly sell older books for next to nothing. There is nothing that will encourage your child to read as much as wonderful books all over the house. I picked up about 50 nice big picture books ( with white stories and characters) for about $10 at the library. And really, when it comes to learning, if you can read you are halfway there. Encourage your kid to read and read and if they read well they will be a success or at least have the tools to be a success if they want. Also, if they end up in prison like so many White Patriots they will be able to entertain themselves.....

Wrong-o. What do you plan to do when your tiny, growing child is not hungry according to your schedule? Punish her? Let her scream for 3 hours until the next properly scheduled feed? These are children, not cattle.


I'm not talking about tiny babies, who must be fed whenever hungry, but after a couple months, they dont' need a bottle all the time.


Is that a bit of B&D/S&M I see here disguised as "How to Build a Happy Family"?


No. It's perhaps an unduly suggestive way of making the point that the knight-model used by fools is only an inch away from the woman-is-always-right we get in the jewsmedia. Worship women? Never. A fool worships women, any philosopher will tell you that. Admire their beauty, yes. I might admire the natural beauty of a tiger, but I wouldnt attribute innate moral superiority to it, like asinine Englishmen, or "all civilization" like the christian ciphers. If it wasn't for men, as wise rug-muncher once said, we'd all be living in grass huts. Women are perfect - in their place. Out of their sphere, they're as dangerous as free fire.


Wait.

I can't wait to begin teaching. That will be the fun part.

Ignore the experts, says Alex. You betcha. Those experts are the ones who came up with the idea of schedules for sleeping and feeding, only about 120 years ago. Totally antinature.

There are experts advocating every point on the compass. I'm not saying ignore the child, and of course the diapers must be changed, but really, once the child is more than a couple months old, you can begin training it not to howl every time it isn't paid attention to. Otherwise the child wants attention literally every waking moment. If you let what the child thinks it needs dominate the scene, it will become a monster. You have to give it what it needs, and that's not always what it wants.

Alex,

The garage sale/ thrift store clothing approach works only to a certain age.

You can get great little used outfits for your child until they reach about 4 years old. I have some of the most cute outfits for Dresden that I bought for only about a dollar. Scroll about halfway down the page to see Dresden's watermelon dress as an example.
http://dresdenfans.blogspot.com/2005_10_01_dresdenfans_archive.html

The problem is that at about 4 years old the clothes that you find at most thrift stores and garage sales is so worn out or stained that you cannot use it. My girls will still find the odd outfit at a thrift store but for the most part they want new clothes when they get to be teenagers. I suggest telling your wife to learn to sew NOW so that when Heidi gets to be 8 or 9 she is able to construct some nice little dresses for her.It is not necessarily more economical but it will at least give you clothes that dont look like they belong on Erika Gliebe, which is what most of the stuff in the stores looks like.

True. There are degrees with clothes as in everything. People can sew, get second-hand, and get new. But clothes should be fit in perspective with everything else. If you're going to get really good clothes, then unless you have a connection, you have to get them new, at a high price. But if you take care of them, then it's worth it. But there are many, many women who simply buy, buy, buy -- people can only wear one outfit at a time. And once you bought them, clothes are worthless. Get top of the line if that's what you need, but otherwise, go cheap. And keep the stuff you spent money on in good shape. This works well for shoes and suits. But some women spend on clothes the way some men spend on boats.


Also, about that freedom fund. I would sure stay away from anything like paper and a bank. Silver would be my suggestion, in one ounce rounds.


I agree, although I think gold's even better. You can have NO confidence the bank will not side with the government against you. I've been setting up an acocunt for our new store and enduring all kinds of intrusive questions, just to get a stupid checking account. The woman tells me this is all due to PATRIOT Act, money-laundering laws, and "Know Your Customer." It seems that last is obeyed anyway, even though there was great liberatarian hue and cry when it was proposed, and I don't think it ever passed. Basically, the jews have put in place the marxist plank: complete knowledge and control over capital flows. In the name of fighting terrorists and the drug war.


You can never be to rich, too thin or have too many ...... .books. The local libraries regularly sell older books for next to nothing. There is nothing that will encourage your child to read as much as wonderful books all over the house. I picked up about 50 nice big picture books ( with white stories and characters) for about $10 at the library.

Exactly right. Our bitty library has a book sale weekly. Many book sales you can get books for a bag a dollar. But even most used bookstores these days have high prices.


And really, when it comes to learning, if you can read you are halfway there. Encourage your kid to read and read and if they read well they will be a success or at least have the tools to be a success if they want. Also, if they end up in prison like so many White Patriots they will be able to entertain themselves.....

True. Gotta keep the kids off tv. I wasn't allowed to watch anything but National Geographic specials when I was a kid. And some Zoom, or whatever that show was.

More observations.

Kids are born what they are. There's nothing you can do about it, except advance along the line their genes set. But they come out what they are, you can see it in their eyes immediately. This point is so obvious to anyone with an iota of perceptiveness that I can never get past thinking the fools at Salon are joking when they talk about babies learning to hate before they are three. It's all inborn, almost all of it. I firmly believe your parents have little influence over kids, as long as they raise them within normal parameters. The general conservative view is correct, it's a lot easier to mess things up than to improve them.

As for schedules, it's a godsend for the parents, and the kid adapts to it. They have the same internal clock we do that allows us to wake up right before the alarm goes off.

Hello, Itz. I have 2 children, boy/men ages 15 & 17. I am 55 yr. old. Tit-fed the kids for years. They call me Stronza the Bovine Beauty.

Why would you think it's Linder VS Dr. Spock?

Spock had goofy ideas . Linder made a passing comment on Spock .

There's a third option - biologically right, humane way of rearing children that neither ignores their built-in needs, nor makes the parents slaves to their little ones.

Well sure , I think every sane person believes in humane treatment of children. Yes, there should be some sort of dynamic balance between the childs' needs and the parents.

People tend to treat their children a certain way simply because it pleases them to do so. That a baby or a child might have certain innate needs seems to lie outside their frame of reference (maybe because their own needs weren't met?)

I read this in a book, that German parents in the past would deliberately keep their babies in shitty or pissy diapers for at least 12 hours as a way of training them - though what they were being trained for, I don't know.

That is difficult to believe, knowing the spick and span German Nature . I would be very suspect of that book and its author . Germans are famous for their cleanliness , even their barns are clean .

I have a relative who brags how, rather than pick his daughter up out of her crib when crying, he sat and listened to her scream for 3 hours, and would not permit his wife to pick the baby up, either. That man has not seen his ex-wife or daughter in about 15 years.

That is just simply cruel , to allow a child to cry that long !

Ignore the experts, says Alex. You betcha. Those experts are the ones who came up with the idea of schedules for sleeping and feeding, only about 120 years ago. Totally antinature.

That's why I ask about your personal experience with children . A day of experience is worth 10 books .


There's a lot to be said for nature , she has been rearing kids for a good 500,000 years , last time I checked .



Like one man said , " Baby books are fine , you just need a different book for each baby ."

I am interested in hearing yours and Alexs' ideas and experiences . Everyone who has done a certain task comes away with ideas and experiences all their own.

Hello, Itz. I have 2 children, boy/men ages 15 & 17. I am 55 yr. old.

I've observed something , seems that most women don't have any interest in racial matters until they have children , especially male children .

Any thoughts on this ?

Goodwill isn’t allowed to sell stained, worn or torn clothing (unless intentionally torn in the design). So they compress all of them and give them to foreign countries. So if you buy clothes from there they will be in new to 80% condition. If you can save a couple hundred dollars it would be worth driving a few miles to one if there is not one near you.

Where I live it is not uncommon to see new clothing with the tags still on them hanging on racks for a couple dollars each. I paid a dollar for a new pair of pants at the Salvation Army that would have cost me $40 in a department store, but that was a fluke since their standards are much lower. But for shopping for clothing for the kids I don’t see a problem with the goodwill.

I went to one in Somerset that had a clothing section comparable to an entire Wal-Mart store in size. I think it was a former Wal-Mart that moved and became a super center, so they rented the old store building. I would say the clothing section was probably over 2,000 square feet. They also had a massive storehouse full of clothes to put out when they got room.

If they follow their company policy and company set prices you can buy a complete outfit for anyone (shoes, pants, shirt) for $6.00. To give you a comparison my house shoes alone cost $20 at Wal-Mart.



The problem is that at about 4 years old the clothes that you find at most thrift stores and garage sales is so worn out or stained that you cannot use it. My girls will still find the odd outfit at a thrift store but for the most part they want new clothes when they get to be teenagers.

I've seen some stuff that made my jaw drop open. I've gone hayseed I guess, but I saw in Texas this woman in a gas station, wearing a black miniskirt over a thong, leading around a six-year-old by the hand. WTF?

I think raising children is probably like other endeavors in life - the intelligent will "figure it out" and succeed and the morons will screw it up.

This environment of "experts" like Spock is entirely unnatural to human nature. Only a couple hundred years ago the best advice generally came from trusted elders in the community handing it down from personal experience in raising the children (essentially what we have here on this forum).

If I were to raise children I'd ignore the experts, heed instinct, and listen to advice from those with experience whose opinions I respected.

My biggest fear is raising children in today's Jewed society. It is a larger impediment than anything like concern for money-matters or what have you. What is the purpose of having children if they're going to watch the Jewtube and go breed with niggers? If there were a racially conscious white community where I could live and raise children, that'd be ideal. If the mormons can do it then so can we.

Goodwill isn’t allowed to sell stained, worn or torn clothing (unless intentionally torn in the design). So they compress all of them and give them to foreign countries. So if you buy clothes from there they will be in new to 80% condition. If you can save a couple hundred dollars it would be worth driving a few miles to one if there is not one near you.

Where I live it is not uncommon to see new clothing with the tags still on them hanging on racks for a couple dollars each. I paid a dollar for a new pair of pants at the Salvation Army that would have cost me $40 in a department store, but that was a fluke since their standards are much lower. But for shopping for clothing for the kids I don’t see a problem with the goodwill.

I went to one in Somerset that had a clothing section comparable to an entire Wal-Mart store in size. I think it was a former Wal-Mart that moved and became a super center, so they rented the old store building. I would say the clothing section was probably over 2,000 square feet. They also had a massive storehouse full of clothes to put out when they got room.

If they follow their company policy and company set prices you can buy a complete outfit for anyone (shoes, pants, shirt) for $6.00. To give you a comparison my house shoes alone cost $20 at Wal-Mart.

Well Sean, I was at a Goodwill just yesterday here in Bako looking for stuff for my neice who is almost 5 years old. I couldnt find much of anything that was not stained, ripped, torn or worn out. I guess our Goodwills here are just Mexified, but since mostly just spics work in them that makes sense. What would be considered dirty or worn to me probably passes for okay for a wetback.

I've seen some stuff that made my jaw drop open. I've gone hayseed I guess, but I saw in Texas this woman in a gas station, wearing a black miniskirt over a thong, leading around a six-year-old by the hand. WTF?

What I dont get is all these fat ( most teenage girls today are fat if you use my 1980s standards) chicks running around with their belly hanging out over their pants and their shirt hiked up to show 4 inches of blubber.

Do these chicks not know they are fat? Do they think fat is sexy? How in the hell does a 15 or 16 year old teenage girl who has not had a kid get a body like a 40 year old woman who has had three?? This is rampant here in California is it like this in other places too? I am curious.

It is one thing for a cute slim little gal to show a bit of skin in the summertime when it is 110 but what is it with these fat chicks??? I graduated from high school in 1984 and 90% of the teenagers today would be considered fat pigs at the high school I attended. Lynx and Lamb would have been considered average weight where I went to school. When did this all happen, in the 1990s when all these stupid parents bought video games for their kids???

Is it like this where you all are from?

end of rant....

I like Alex's comments and including putting structure in the child's life when it comes to schedules. Not babies per se which I think as much as possible should stay on the teat for year, but once they're teething, they should have plenty of food but be discouraged from sucking a sippie cup all the time. If nothing else it rots their teeth.

Reasonable stuff, well said.

If you are spending that little on the child, all I can say, is WELL DONE and we would have a hard time matching that. You must have great cooperation from your partner when it comes to spending. That's wonderful and of course you know lots of men don't have that situation.

With the Jew-moneylender computers spitting out multiple credit card offers to everyone each day, it's hard for some people to keep their spending under control. With the televitz on yapping 24/7 like a One-Eyed Jew in the Living room, artificially stimulating consumer desires with psychologicall sophisticated advertising methods, it's even harder. Pull the plug on cable and the tv if possible is another damn good piece of advice we can share.

I've seen some stuff that made my jaw drop open. I've gone hayseed I guess, but I saw in Texas this woman in a gas station, wearing a black miniskirt over a thong, leading around a six-year-old by the hand. WTF?

In each generation the Jews push the decency envelope in advertising and other mind control efforts tied to mass consumer marketing a little farther. Yesterday's transgressions are "ho hum" so the average girl of today is encouraged to dress like the slut of yesterday. Madonna, the super-rich Kaballah worshipping whore, is an icon to a whole generation of women taught to act like tramps. Madonna, says to the woman, "modesty is weakness, obscenity shows that you are strong." It's a Gentile whore's take on feminism. And White women are suckers for this kind of thing. We of course are not allowed to so much as complain and if we do we are Neanderthals.

Well then I guess I am a fucking Neanderthal, because I don't like sexual come-ons all over the place in public. It offends decency, it cheapens women, and it suggests that men are entirely enslaved by their passions. Of course it goes hand in glove with men watching porn all the time, which makes them into soft undisciplined weaklings governed by their own passions and easily lead along by the end of the dicks.

So the Jew has a plan to corrupt us, divide us, exploit us, neuter us, and thereby sterilize us, with alternative weapons of vice, social engineering, and the random terrorism of negro crime and third world invasion.

On the inside, the good fight to govern your passions, and cultivate personal virtue. On the outside, the good fight is to fight the Jew. That's the good fight, the crusade, the holy war idea. Conquer vice within and without. Don't flinch from either battle.

There are experts advocating every point on the compass. I'm not saying ignore the child, and of course the diapers must be changed, but really, once the child is more than a couple months old, you can begin training it not to howl every time it isn't paid attention to. Otherwise the child wants attention literally every waking moment. If you let what the child thinks it needs dominate the scene, it will become a monster. You have to give it what it needs, and that's not always what it wants.


Of course a child will "howl" when it wants attention. Nature taught them to howl because they are not small adults, they are babies, and babies have needs, other than purely physical, that need to be tended to, which they can't articulate other than by crying or fussing.

Would you ignore the cries of your older child, say, one who is 9 years of age, or 14 years of age? Would you "train" them to just shut up by ignoring their cries? What about an adult living in your household? Would you just listen to their cries until they stop, not intervening?

There are ways to tend to a baby/small child that require neither the crushing of spirit which you recommend, nor your constant hovering and focused attention - which is not necessary.

Children of a very young age (what we call babies) don't "think" that they need something; at that inchoate stage, their wants and their needs are the same. Better that we inconvenience ourselves for a few short years tending to those cries with an open heart, than discover 14 years later, that they are getting some kindly "attention" from an internet predator, or from a peer who is no smarter than they are at dealing with problems.

You, Alex, are not an instructor at Army Boot Camp: you are a loving, compassionate MAN who knows better than the person who took over your identity in the above post. - La Stronza.

$5000 total for a normal birth minimum. Our total hospital bill for the birth of our child was over $15,000! We had to pay $1000 total out of that. Formula is also expensive and goes quickly. Oh yeah and then 7-10 diaper changes per day so you need lots of diapers.

What I dont get is all these fat ( most teenage girls today are fat if you use my 1980s standards) chicks running around with their belly hanging out over their pants and their shirt hiked up to show 4 inches of blubber.

Is it like this where you all are from?

end of rant....

Obesity is a major problem in the midwest. California is not even in the same ballpark - it's very noticeable after you live here are a few years and then go out there. The light and air are much better in the west, and the winter here is so drab and gray it tends to make people want to stay in and watch tv and drink carbohydrates.

What I dont get is all these fat ( most teenage girls today are fat if you use my 1980s standards) chicks running around with their belly hanging out over their pants and their shirt hiked up to show 4 inches of blubber.



Are there any white girls left , in Mexifornia ?

$5000 total for a normal birth minimum. Our total hospital bill for the birth of our child was over $15,000! We had to pay $1000 total out of that. Formula is also expensive and goes quickly. Oh yeah and then 7-10 diaper changes per day so you need lots of diapers.

That's a little high, from what I understand. The average uncomplicated birth is about 11k. 5k was what I paid out of pocket. Most goes to semi-private room for just a couple days. We intended to do homebirth, but it didn't quite work out, so we had to go in. It is actually illegal in Missouri to use a midwife.

Formula isn't cheap, but it's not that much. You can get 70 diapers for maybe 5 bucks, 2 formulas (week's worth) for maybe $20. So, it doesn't really cost much day in and day out. But if you let the docs get you on their treadmill, then the costs will skyrocket.

I avoid not only tv and religion and consumerism, but holidays, which are too many and too close between. People only do things because other people do them, otherwise it would never occur to them.

That's a little high, from what I understand. The average uncomplicated birth is about 11k. That's all for semi-private room for just a couple days. We intended to do homebirth, but it didn't quite work out. It is actually illegal in Missouri to use a midwife.

Formula isn't cheap, but it's not that much. You can get 70 diapers for maybe 5 bucks, 2 formulas (week's worth) for maybe $20. So, it doesn't really cost much day in and day out. But if you let the docs get you on their treadmill, then the costs will skyrocket.

Why even go to a hospital ? As the writers of Ancient Rome told, the women of the republic would be harvesting , have a child and be back to havesting wheat , within an hour ! The secret is a grain based vegan diet , so the child is a normal 4 pounder and not some monster 7 ,8 or nine pounder . Dr. John McDougal writes on this extensively , he runs a cardiac care clinic in Nocal .
( it would be a good idea to be near a hospital, in case of complication , exceedingly rare as they may be ).

I avoid not only tv and religion and consumerism, but holidays, which are too many and too close between. People only do things because other people do them, otherwise it would never occur to them.

The medical profession is gouging folks from every angle .

Why formula ?

I don't know what age it's safe to start using it at, but my sister had one of these baby food grinders. It doesn't make the veggies into a paste, like "Gerber's", but it grinds them down pretty fine.

Gerber's claims this isn't safe, because raw foods can have bacteria. Their stuff is pasteurized. My sister's kid's never got sick from raw vegetables and fruits, as far as I know. I don't see what the problem would be if you wash the stuff first.

Of course everyone has a blender, and can make food into paste if they want. On the other hand, the grinder is small and truly portable since you don't need an outlet. She would just use it at the table and grind whatever she was eating.

Of course everyone has a blender, and can make food into paste if they want.

Many parents do this, using canned vegetables. The chance of bacteria being in cooked canned food is very remote .

Here most Goodwill employees are retired people or middle-aged women (usually with experience in retail) making some extra money for the family. They work because they want to and generally enjoy their job. People make fun of rural WV people, but once I leave the hills and the climate gets darker things turn into a nightmare.
Well Sean, I was at a Goodwill just yesterday here in Bako looking for stuff for my neice who is almost 5 years old. I couldnt find much of anything that was not stained, ripped, torn or worn out. I guess our Goodwills here are just Mexified, but since mostly just spics work in them that makes sense. What would be considered dirty or worn to me probably passes for okay for a wetback.

MTV tells them it is ok to be a tramp. So instead of diet and exercise to attract a good man, they will just “hang” out an advertisement saying “open for business” in hopes of attracting anything. I have noticed girls running around here that are huge but want to wear normal sized clothing so they have to unbutton and unzip their pants so they will fit. I have seen that a lot lately, and I want to just walk up to them and ask them if they are so poor they can’t clothes to fit. If so then take some of the food bill and buy clothes with it.

What I dont get is all these fat ( most teenage girls today are fat if you use my 1980s standards) chicks running around with their belly hanging out over their pants and their shirt hiked up to show 4 inches of blubber.
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Why even go to a hospital ? As the writers of Ancient Rome told, the women of the republic would be harvesting , have a child and be back to havesting wheat , within an hour ! The secret is a grain based vegan diet , so the child is a normal 4 pounder and not some monster 7 ,8 or nine pounder .

Where I come from we throw the 4 pounders back. This is probably going to piss off a lot of VNNers but bigger babies translates into more healthy babies and that equals bigger, stronger more intelligent adults.

Sorry Volks but thats just the way nature intended it. I think that I practiced a form of inner eugenics without really realizing it. I married a woman who was above average in height and intelligence, as am I. (well, maybe the height part)

Together we produced 2 sons who I refer to as King and Kong. I fully expect both of these boys to wind up as olympic powerlifters and Rhodes scholars. If not, then at least when the chit hits the chan I'll have a ready made team to put in front of my plow.:D

Where I come from we throw the 4 pounders back. This is probably going to piss off a lot of VNNers but bigger babies translates into more healthy babies and that equals bigger, stronger more intelligent adults.



Not true, the initial size of a baby has no effect on growth or terminal weight at any stage . The small 4 pounders gain faster than large kids and within a few weeks are at the same size and wieght . The childs final size will be determined by its genes , not its birth weight .

Sorry Volks but thats just the way nature intended it.


Again , I would dispute that . Large babies , oversized , are the product of a diet with too much fat in it . I would reference the Romans and McDougal who has done extensive research in this field .

Well Sean, I was at a Goodwill just yesterday here in Bako looking for stuff for my neice who is almost 5 years old. I couldnt find much of anything that was not stained, ripped, torn or worn out. I guess our Goodwills here are just Mexified, but since mostly just spics work in them that makes sense. What would be considered dirty or worn to me probably passes for okay for a wetback.

HA ! The Mexicans are taking all the good stuff and leaving the refuse for the customers . biped locust .

OH and GET A GOAT. Lynx and Lamb were raised on raw goats milk, that is why they are so beautiful....

Not true, the initial size of a baby has no effect on growth or terminal weight at any stage . The small 4 pounders gain faster than large kids and within a few weeks are at the same size and wieght .

Coming from a 5-10, 165 pounder, do doubt. :p

A reader sent a sonogram of his White-child-on-the-way the other day, a great thing indeed. Elsewhere in this forum a young woman said she and husband are waiting till they're better off to have kids. Here are some observations on raising kids.

1) It doesn't cost all that much. Birth does, about $5000 (with insurance covering 6k, if you have the usual crappy insurance). But from week to week, a child only costs about $20.

2) You'll reach a point in your life where your siblings are the only ones who remember the same things you do, for the percentage of events in your life that you want to remember. No joke. People suck. So, you want to have a bunch of kids.

3) Waiting till you're comfortable? That's wrong. Kids don't know they're poor until someone else tells them, about age ten. Otherwise, the way they grow up is what they know, and as good as anything.

4) It doesn't take money to raise kids, it takes energy. A 24-year-old woman doesn't know what it's like not to have as much energy as you used to. The sad truth is that you lose energy (and fertility) after your late twenties. In fact, you lose fertility, both men and women, after your TEENS. Don't put it off. Kids are not really the impediment people think, and it's not all about you anyway, and this takes no account of the positive side anyway.

5) What new parents really need is diapers. You can get all the clothes your kid will ever wear at a couple garage sales. But more likely your female relatives will want to buy it gifts. I still think spending money on retail clothes for quick growing babies is a misuse of the money. Take the money you would have spent on clothes, and buy gold with it. Leads to the next point:

6) Prepare a "Freedom Fund" for your kid. put in a few thousand a year and the kid will have 100k at least when he reaches majority. You have little until you have financial independence, and that means owning a house outright. Don't wait till you're 40 to discover this. Save your money, stay out of debt, acquire the things you need, stay off the tv and out of the materialist mindset.

7) The young woman says she admires intelligence. I thought that way too in my twenties. What she will eventually learn is that intelligence is, if not common, pretty much a commodity. There are plenty of smart people, and you can rent them as needed. What you can't buy, and what is truly rare and valuable, is loyalty.

8) Kids refresh your apprecation for life, as they're seeing it all for the first time, where you're seeing only the same old thing.

9) Women are built to have kids, and they are happiest when pregnant, because it's the only thing that makes use of their unique abilities. They aren't really built for thinking. The fact that men created the bra pretty much tells you what you need to know.

10) Men and women may be partners, but they are not equals. The man is the head of the family. The law may disagree, but this is why our society is so messed up: the wrong men rule, and propagate laws that fight biological reality. If you take it into account, you and your family will be much better off.

11) They say the child is the father to the man. This is true. The first time you look in your kid's eyes, you're overwhelmed, if you have any reflective capacity, by the thought: Jesus, they're letting me loose on this thing?! It forces you to face your own inadequacies squarely and call out your latent capacity for self-control. Or you can be a slacker, and dress like shit, and watch tv and help Jack Black and Ben Stiller, two jews, make their next million dollars. Better to build a family and progress on all fronts - financial, familial, political - simultaneously. All a kid does is force you to discipline your behavior, and concentrate your energy more carefully. Hell, they're asleep 14 hours out of the day anyway.

12) Get your kid on a schedule. Up at 7am, to bed at 7pm. Two 1.5 hour naps during the day. Set feeding times. This way you have a structure to cling to, like a dirt-eating moron clinging to his bible. You need that structure. It's not self-evident what you do, as with most things.

13) Ignore the experts. They are mostly buck-builders out to scare you, just the same as democratic politicians. They have no incentive to tell you the true risks of anything, as they're drab. Men must dominate here. Women tend to be weak-minded, and that means they're easily influenced. Don't let charlatans get in her head. Kill your televitz. Set Spock on simmer.

14) Being a man does not mean not cleaning the house, or counting on the women to do all the rest. I don't believe in traditional skills. Boys and girls should be cross-trained in all the functions of running a house. The knight-lady pattern is ugly, and the WN that promote that so-called Ideal do us damage. The strong, athletic, cross-trained athletic ideal is more appealing to me and to most Aryans than putting the female animal on a pedestal. No pedestals! That is not to say that female beauty is not perhaps the main driver in male behavior. It really is. The woman's real cultural power lies in inspiring the man, apart from bearing children. But men have the duty to understand that even though the woman is amazing in her beauty, you are still the leader, and that hot little minx is still your charge. She's a female animal, and you must lead her, on a chain if necessary. Women want men to lead. For every 100 implumous bipeds with male appendages there are a handful of men. You women know that is true.

More thoughts as they come. Use this subforum for tips on money matters and general observations on raising children. I'm ten months into it, at 39, and I find it's not really difficult, but a steady, low pressure. Children grow up very quickly. Heidi, at ten months, is just on the verge of walking. She can take five or six steps before she realizes she's not holding on to your finger and falls down. She's on the verge of talking too.

The proof in the pudding of VNN is not just that no one can rebut our arguments, it's that our forum leads to new life - literally.

WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS.

WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS.

WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS.

AND WE ARE GOING TO WIN.


Excellent points all, except for the part about it not being difficult. When our first-born was ten months, I thought the same thing. "This is easy", etc. Wait until she's three, and if you have more kids, as we did, be prepared. We had our third child when our first was three and a half and our second was 22 months, which means when our first was 5, our second was 3.5 and our third was 2! Talk about activity! I don't mean to discourage anyone having multiple kids, as even though it's hard work, it's definitely worth it, but the difficulty level multiplies with the number of kids, and especially, the number in diapers/pullups, etc. Once you have three, and the kids outnumber the two of you, it's zone defense, literally. As much as I'd like to have 10 or 12 kids, I don't know how Chester Doles and his wife did it. Also, even though it was harder having the kids relatively close together in age, I think they're closer emotionally to one another because of it. I don't understand why people today have kids 5, 6, or 7 years apart. It makes no sense. You want your kids to grow up together, not as a bunch of separate "only children."

Once you have three, and the kids outnumber the two of you, it's zone defense, literally. As much as I'd like to have 10 or 12 kids, I don't know how Chester Doles and his wife did it.

Krauts that owned the farm next to my grandparents had 21 children . All healthy bright industrious kids. These are the people that should write books on raising children !

Also, even though it was harder having the kids relatively close together in age, I think they're closer emotionally to one another because of it. I don't understand why people today have kids 5, 6, or 7 years apart. It makes no sense. You want your kids to grow up together, not as a bunch of separate "only children."

The Chinese have a proverbial saying 'seperate children by 5 yrs so you can spoil each one '. Don't know if there is any merit in that .

Gotta disagree with you here to some extent Alex " the child wants attention literally every waking moment. If you let what the child thinks it needs dominate the scene, it will become a monster. You have to give it what it needs, and that's not always what it wants"

On one hand I see your point that you must inforce discipliine, on the other hand we all pick up Dresden any time she wants to be held. Most of the time when she wants down to walk she squirms and lets us know she wants down. With Mark and I and Lynx and Lamb she pretty much has someone paying attention to her every minute she is awake. Plus she has 4 loving grandparents!

I found with Lynx and Lamb that the best way to get a kid to be independant is to make them feel secure. Since I was always home with Lynx and Lamb and doing things with them all the time they felt secure and so they were more independant at an early age than my friends kids who had been left at daycare and clung to them like parasites when they got home. My kids know that I am available anytime they need me and so they feel confident and exhibit alot of independence. This doesnt mean spare the rod, it does mean give lots of snuggle time, as much as the kid wants.

One of the reasons that I feel preschool is being pushed so much by the establishment is to break the bond between parent and child and especially between mother and child. They even have school for kids as young as 2 years old out here that is run by the local school system. They even pick them up in a school bus!!!

Think about it, if that bond is broken early the parent will have less influence on the kids lives and be more open to what the schools and media tell them. I always judged what I did as kid by what my dad would think, not by what was legal, what my friends would think, or by what my teachers would think. He had a huge amount of influence in my life because he was ALWAYS there and he ALWAYS showed an interest in anything I did and he obviously put us kids at the top of his list. That is what I do with my kids, it is tiring but it is worth it when they tell people that you are their best friend and they are teenagers!

Alex,

Please allow me to slightly edit your post, and i'll deliver 500 copies of it to my ward/congregation next weekend? I'm not one to make a profit from this venture, but to spread your excellent expose/truth, at least in regards to children. Love us, or hate us, at least Mormons have at least 4-8 babies in my ward!.....We need all the encouragement we can get :D


A reader sent a sonogram of his White-child-on-the-way the other day, a great thing indeed. Elsewhere in this forum a young woman said she and husband are waiting till they're better off to have kids. Here are some observations on raising kids.

1) It doesn't cost all that much. Birth does, about $5000 (with insurance covering 6k, if you have the usual crappy insurance). But from week to week, a child only costs about $20.

2) You'll reach a point in your life where your siblings are the only ones who remember the same things you do, for the percentage of events in your life that you want to remember. No joke. People suck. So, you want to have a bunch of kids.

3) Waiting till you're comfortable? That's wrong. Kids don't know they're poor until someone else tells them, about age ten. Otherwise, the way they grow up is what they know, and as good as anything.

4) It doesn't take money to raise kids, it takes energy. A 24-year-old woman doesn't know what it's like not to have as much energy as you used to. The sad truth is that you lose energy (and fertility) after your late twenties. In fact, you lose fertility, both men and women, after your TEENS. Don't put it off. Kids are not really the impediment people think, and it's not all about you anyway, and this takes no account of the positive side anyway.

5) What new parents really need is diapers. You can get all the clothes your kid will ever wear at a couple garage sales. But more likely your female relatives will want to buy it gifts. I still think spending money on retail clothes for quick growing babies is a misuse of the money. Take the money you would have spent on clothes, and buy gold with it. Leads to the next point:

6) Prepare a "Freedom Fund" for your kid. put in a few thousand a year and the kid will have 100k at least when he reaches majority. You have little until you have financial independence, and that means owning a house outright. Don't wait till you're 40 to discover this. Save your money, stay out of debt, acquire the things you need, stay off the tv and out of the materialist mindset.

7) The young woman says she admires intelligence. I thought that way too in my twenties. What she will eventually learn is that intelligence is, if not common, pretty much a commodity. There are plenty of smart people, and you can rent them as needed. What you can't buy, and what is truly rare and valuable, is loyalty.

8) Kids refresh your apprecation for life, as they're seeing it all for the first time, where you're seeing only the same old thing.

9) Women are built to have kids, and they are happiest when pregnant, because it's the only thing that makes use of their unique abilities. They aren't really built for thinking. The fact that men created the bra pretty much tells you what you need to know.

10) Men and women may be partners, but they are not equals. The man is the head of the family. The law may disagree, but this is why our society is so messed up: the wrong men rule, and propagate laws that fight biological reality. If you take it into account, you and your family will be much better off.

11) They say the child is the father to the man. This is true. The first time you look in your kid's eyes, you're overwhelmed, if you have any reflective capacity, by the thought: Jesus, they're letting me loose on this thing?! It forces you to face your own inadequacies squarely and call out your latent capacity for self-control. Or you can be a slacker, and dress like shit, and watch tv and help Jack Black and Ben Stiller, two jews, make their next million dollars. Better to build a family and progress on all fronts - financial, familial, political - simultaneously. All a kid does is force you to discipline your behavior, and concentrate your energy more carefully. Hell, they're asleep 14 hours out of the day anyway.

12) Get your kid on a schedule. Up at 7am, to bed at 7pm. Two 1.5 hour naps during the day. Set feeding times. This way you have a structure to cling to, like a dirt-eating moron clinging to his bible. You need that structure. It's not self-evident what you do, as with most things.

13) Ignore the experts. They are mostly buck-builders out to scare you, just the same as democratic politicians. They have no incentive to tell you the true risks of anything, as they're drab. Men must dominate here. Women tend to be weak-minded, and that means they're easily influenced. Don't let charlatans get in her head. Kill your televitz. Set Spock on simmer.

14) Being a man does not mean not cleaning the house, or counting on the women to do all the rest. I don't believe in traditional skills. Boys and girls should be cross-trained in all the functions of running a house. The knight-lady pattern is ugly, and the WN that promote that so-called Ideal do us damage. The strong, athletic, cross-trained athletic ideal is more appealing to me and to most Aryans than putting the female animal on a pedestal. No pedestals! That is not to say that female beauty is not perhaps the main driver in male behavior. It really is. The woman's real cultural power lies in inspiring the man, apart from bearing children. But men have the duty to understand that even though the woman is amazing in her beauty, you are still the leader, and that hot little minx is still your charge. She's a female animal, and you must lead her, on a chain if necessary. Women want men to lead. For every 100 implumous bipeds with male appendages there are a handful of men. You women know that is true.

More thoughts as they come. Use this subforum for tips on money matters and general observations on raising children. I'm ten months into it, at 39, and I find it's not really difficult, but a steady, low pressure. Children grow up very quickly. Heidi, at ten months, is just on the verge of walking. She can take five or six steps before she realizes she's not holding on to your finger and falls down. She's on the verge of talking too.

The proof in the pudding of VNN is not just that no one can rebut our arguments, it's that our forum leads to new life - literally.

WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS.

WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS.

WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS.

AND WE ARE GOING TO WIN.

I think you summed it up pretty well, April.

Kids are not really the impediment people think, and it's not all about you anyway

That's true, they aren't an impediment if parents ignore their children's cues for attention, and raise them boot-camp style, in defiance of nature, starting at the age of 2 months.

And it IS "all about you"! Children, if allowed to be children instead of obedient little adults, are going to bring out the side of yourself you have been trying to hide, your aspect that needs exposure. Nature did this on purpose, that we might evolve.

The fact that men created the bra pretty much tells you what you need to know.

And what might that be? Other than a belief by most modern white western civilized societies that breasts need to be kept tucked away until some deprived-in-infancy adult male wants to suck on them. Anybody ever notice the anxiety exhibited by some men when they see a woman publicly giving the tit to her baby? I hear this fairly regularly.

Hell, they're asleep 14 hours out of the day anyway.

As if keeping babies/small children asleep as much as possible is some kind of worthy goal. The ones who sleep a lot are usually bottle-fed, formula somehow seeming to have a sleep-inducing effect. (And make sure you stick some Pablum in with the milk-substitute, too - they'll snore for 14 hours straight - I have seen this on children I have babysat. Nary a peep!) No wonder: formula is a product of industrial society - keep the kiddies asleep as much as you can so the parents can go out and do some meaningful factory work at The Bloatstein Corp.

The proof in the pudding of VNN is not just that no one can rebut our arguments, it's that our forum leads to new life - literally.

"Our" arguments? Are "we" on VNN a monolith? I see argumentative people here all the time, and I am grateful to them for pruning and honing my own opinions.

"BETTER THAT A WOMAN HAS BEAUTY THAN BRAINS, BECAUSE MEN SEE BETTER THAN THEY THINK." :p (Source Unknown)

Again , I would dispute that . Large babies , oversized , are the product of a diet with too much fat in it . I would reference the Romans and McDougal who has done extensive research in this field .


babies and small children NEED fat. They need it to develop the myelin sheaths for their neurons or some damn thing. Put a kid on a whole grain vegan diet and I'll bet you'll have a mentally less developed kid.

There are experts advocating every point on the compass. I'm not saying ignore the child, and of course the diapers must be changed, but really, once the child is more than a couple months old, you can begin training it not to howl every time it isn't paid attention to. Otherwise the child wants attention literally every waking moment. If you let what the child thinks it needs dominate the scene, it will become a monster. You have to give it what it needs, and that's not always what it wants.

I thnik we are on the same wavelength.. I'm not talking babies but between 2-4 they really need to be disciplined firmly and not indulged. "Terrible 2s" are so bad in part because people do not make expectations crystal clear and exert constant firm and fair discipline. Keep it simple for them with RULES like "dont take your food outside the kitchen" or "no sippy cup after brushing your teeth at night" or
"always go to the potty before we get in the car for a trip" and "bedtime at 730 PM every night." That kind of structure for toddlers makes your life much easier, it helps them know what to expect, and it cuts down on showdowns, tantrums, and fights. Is it better to be unpredictably lenient and thus generate the belief that you can be swayed by crying, whining, etc?

Also, I am ok with letting 1 year olds learn to sit in their play-yards for a while and play with their toys and books instead of being constantly entertained. You got stuff to do when you're at home, for example cooking or laundry or other chores, and unfortunately life does not always wait for you to finish entertaining your tot's insatiable desire for interaction. If you pick them up every five minutes they will expect it and you will get nothing done if for example you have to watch them all day. You know this is true ladies and I have done my fair share of "daddy duty" etc.

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Also, I am ok with letting 1 year olds learn to sit in their play-yards for a while and play with their toys and books instead of being constantly entertained. You got stuff to do when you're at home, for example cooking or laundry or other chores, and unfortunately life does not always wait for you to finish entertaining your tot's insatiable desire for interaction. If you pick them up every five minutes they will expect it and you will get nothing done if for example you have to watch them all day. You know this is true ladies and I have done my fair share of "daddy duty" etc.

The truth is though that we gain most of our knowledge of the world and our brain grows the most between the age of birth and three years old. Those years are the most precious so those are the years when the laundry and dishes can wait and the baby should get the most attention.

Right on, April.

It is not a matter of making yourself sick hovering over/constantly entertaining (AE's words) your babies/small children on the one hand OR taking Alex's boot-camp mentality.

You just have to see these little beings for what they are: they are born with a need to not be alone. They do not need constant interaction (AE's words) of an active sort. They just need: (1) to be around someone (usually Mama, or some other family member/friend they know). (2) They need to feel a warm body against their own when mere babies. This is not some sort of jewish propaganda; these are facts based on mammal biology. (3) They need to be around people living their normal daily lives, working at tasks or doing hobbies - not centre of attention but close by, feeling that they are part of the action in some small way. This is how humans become part of a community. Not by verbal preaching, "You are a white/jew/black/Chinese and you are part of the white/jew/black/chinese race, and you must do what Our People do" - but, rather, by the children being in the midst of it all, quietly enjoying it all and soaking it up effortlessly, from Day One.

Yes, AE, general rules of the sort you mention are a good idea. But rules are also for breaking from time to time, as necessary. Rigidity is the worst thing imaginable, in most human situations, and especially where babies/small children are concerned, because they cannot articulate their needs verbally, and it is a terrible thing to just assume they are "spoiled".

The truth is though that we gain most of our knowledge of the world and our brain grows the most between the age of birth and three years old.

That is the gospel , should be carved in granite !

Childs character is solidifying up to about age 5 , also a critical phase.

But unfortunately we were just a small, nuclear family with nobody around to help in any meaningful way.


This is one major reason that we need an all white society ! So children can have safe communities and plenty of people that like kids . Just imagine how difficult it is for a single mom , living in a 'diverse' neighborhood .

There is a lot of wisdom in Stronza.

I'm sure you ladies have wonderful children and they will turn out well.

I'm just going to ask a question here. Americans are fat, lazy, self-indulgent, with poor attention spans, and utterly lacking in self discipline.

Is it possible that this starts with ultra-permissive attitudes early in life?

I see no harm with children who have been weened from the breast, learning that there are set times to eat called "meals" and "snacks" and not being allowed to much cheerios constantly inbetweentimes.

I see no harm in letting a tot play with his toys in a play- yard for a reasonable duration of play-time each day without a) constantly sitting there "interacting" with him or her or b) teaching the kid to start loving televitz via the captivating but overused "Baby Bach" videos.

I see no harm in giving firm and consistent age-appropriate discipline starting pretty much when they are weaned. Both my kids were weaned from the breast around a year, so in their first year they got all that good lovin stuff. But with weaning comes some very simple lessons in behavior and best they learn early on that parents are AUTHORITY.

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Here is another thing to think about. If you keep on having kids-- like, not just a pair but a series-- like 4 or 5-- early on, you will be able to give the young ones much attention, but as you get older, and have less time per child, the slack can be taken up by increased efficiency and effectiveness gained through experience, and also by older siblings. My older siblings helped take care of me a lot and a few of my friends who have 5 kid families, the older kids do quite a bit to help with the babies. So, having a big meaning 4-5 member family does not necessarily rule out the "high investment parenting."

I think you are carrying around a misconception in your head Antiochus Epiphanes. Forgive me if I am wrong, but with your salutation to the women and then the question followed by examples of neglect, it seems to me you are not properly engaging their points.

Neglect is different from trying to form a proper bond with your children. We do not want to promote alienation that only creates problems further down the line like rebellion. Lines of permissible conduct must be drawn but there are means and methods that show, not hostility, but concern.

Some children can be naturally inclined to be mischievious so believe me the occasional smack doesn't bother me, but to be effective it must be used sparingly and hopefully the displeasure of the parent(s) will be more cause of concern to the child than the actual physical pain.

How can children come to value freedom if they are not allowed to experiment with boundaries? And if they do not learn to value freedom as much as order what is the price? But of course you cannot have one without the other. You can not experiment with boundaries if none are given. Now I'm just babbling, but it did seem you were being unfair to the ladies.

I'm sure you ladies have wonderful children and they will turn out well.

"Turn out well?" No such thing, in my opinion. There is no terminal point where we can step back and say, ah, look, they're all complete and finished. It's a crappy and sappy cliche, but it really is the journey. And the wrong path can always be just around the corner. But I know what you mean, and it is nice of you to say that we have wonderful children.

I'm just going to ask a question here. Americans are fat, lazy, self-indulgent, with poor attention spans, and utterly lacking in self discipline.

Is it possible that this starts with ultra-permissive attitudes early in life?

Maybe; maybe not. There are all kinds of factors, including unknown ones. The purpose of raising children as April & I have described is that, in the immediate term, it reduces the baby's stress. In the long run, it reduces the parents' stress. This is by no means the only factor. I think that the dreadful, drug-loaded, birthing procedures, and horrid, unnatural diets play a role in producing a bad attitude in children, and later in their teenage and adult years. Neurology is the basis of psychology.

I see no harm with children who have been weened from the breast, learning that there are set times to eat called "meals" and "snacks" and not being allowed to much cheerios constantly inbetweentimes.

Agreed!

I see no harm in letting a tot play with his toys in a play- yard for a reasonable duration of play-time each day without a) constantly sitting there "interacting" with him or her or b) teaching the kid to start loving televitz via the captivating but overused "Baby Bach" videos.


Agreed again, ol' chap. I tried to describe that you could allow the children to be around adults, and older brothers & sisters, though, without constantly "interacting" with them, hovering over them, or making yourself pissed off trying to entertain them. Adults shouldn't have to do that all day. But I guess I explained my point of view poorly.

One of the main problems is the nuclear family as it is structured nowadays. Too much pressure on the mother to do everything. In more traditional societies, of virtually all colors and races, there was always others there in the household itself or nearby.

I see no harm in giving firm and consistent age-appropriate discipline starting pretty much when they are weaned. Both my kids were weaned from the breast around a year, so in their first year they got all that good lovin stuff. But with weaning comes some very simple lessons in behavior and best they learn early on that parents are AUTHORITY.


Recognition of the parents' authority, it seems to me, is not a simple matter of what techniques you use to show that yer the BOSS, by god, but, rather, by how they see US behave at all times. I think they are judging whether or not you really are worth respecting, but it's all happening unconsciously.

One of the main problems is the nuclear family as it is structured nowadays. Too much pressure on the mother to do everything. In more traditional societies, of virtually all colors and races, there was always others there in the household itself or nearby.



So , So very true . I think the 'nuclear' family is a farce . I believe the extended family is essential , uncles , aunts , cousins , grandparents etc. Children need lots of relatives around , that is a full social fabric to support a childs development .

Looks all right to me Stronza, tho' those extra 'e's always throw me. Anyway no need to thank me for stating the obvious. I enjoy your posts very much.

hey April,
yeah I see it here too, I'm also in CA , bay area, its a dumb style, it makes even average weight girls look dumpy. Its part of the fag fashion/jew media vulgarity as "cool". Midwest and East coast people are usually "behind" us fashion wise (lucky them). Its a hippie look, Im pretty sure. If we dressed like that in high school, we would be sent home , with parent conference to follow- .. I despise ghetto "hooker fashion" teens and preteens looking like "Bratz dolls". Cheers to you April, your girls are beautiful, and they dont need any of that sleaze to feel good about themselves.

Coming from a 5-10, 165 pounder, do doubt. :p

I would imagine he's right. I was a hair under ten pounds and I was 23 inches long, but now although six foot I'm pretty skinny.

Coming from a 5-10, 165 pounder, do doubt. :p

If you're going to try 'remote viewing' as a career , don't give up your day job :D

Camille runs on breathlessly about how spine-tingling an experience it is for her to listen to Orthodox rabbis and scholars endlessly debate tiny little points, you know, the "pilpel", they call it, making angels dance on the head of a pin.

I can't read this , my eyes must be crossing . Can anyone seriously say such a thing ? Can anyone be such a tard , that convoluted babbling would impress them ? Are they dissembling or being facetious ?

Ah. I just found it, on Page 232 of Sex, Art and American culture:

"There is nothing more thrilling than listening to two New York rabbis aggressively debate each other on a radio talk show. The intellectual vigor of Talmudic disputation puts the theory wing of American academe to shame. It is no coincidence that my mentors have always been Jews. We have right here on native soil a superb high-energy model of subtle inquiry [sic], humanistic compassion and profound learning. It was from jews ...that I learned how to analyze politics, law, business and medicine, how to decipher the power dynamics of family relationships, and how to plan pragmatic strategies of social activism. The Jews know there IS a story in history, for they have suffered it." etc.etc. yawn, drool, snore...

And, friends, that is just the beginning. Camille wets her pants at the mere thought of her hebrew brethren, throughout this book.

Look in the index under "Jews" in Paglia's book and there are more entries than any other name or word.

Guess this thread has gotten waylaid.

I have never heard of this author , I am so blessed !

Just another jew babbling endlessly , damn people are just a flood of empty words without any real meaning , only deceit . They devalue words by their excessive use . All the valuable trees that have been wasted to carry the ink of their jibberish, sheez .

Thanks for explaining this to me :)

Guess this thread has gotten waylaid.

Back on point , I don't think alex is considering how costs of raising a child will escalate as the years go by . Right now , he is under ideal circumstances . As the years pass , cheap clothes won't suffice , daughter will want to keep in fashion , have a car etc .

Back on point , I don't think alex is considering how costs of raising a child will escalate as the years go by . Right now , he is under ideal circumstances . As the years pass , cheap clothes won't suffice , daughter will want to keep in fashion , have a car etc .

As a mother of teenage girls.........oh how true this statement is.........

Alex,

The garage sale/ thrift store clothing approach works only to a certain age.

You can get great little used outfits for your child until they reach about 4 years old. I have some of the most cute outfits for Dresden that I bought for only about a dollar. Scroll about halfway down the page to see Dresden's watermelon dress as an example.
http://dresdenfans.blogspot.com/2005_10_01_dresdenfans_archive.html

The problem is that at about 4 years old the clothes that you find at most thrift stores and garage sales is so worn out or stained that you cannot use it. My girls will still find the odd outfit at a thrift store but for the most part they want new clothes when they get to be teenagers. I suggest telling your wife to learn to sew NOW so that when Heidi gets to be 8 or 9 she is able to construct some nice little dresses for her.It is not necessarily more economical but it will at least give you clothes that dont look like they belong on Erika Gliebe, which is what most of the stuff in the stores looks like.

Also, about that freedom fund. I would sure stay away from anything like paper and a bank. Silver would be my suggestion, in one ounce rounds.

You can never be to rich, too thin or have too many ...... .books. The local libraries regularly sell older books for next to nothing. There is nothing that will encourage your child to read as much as wonderful books all over the house. I picked up about 50 nice big picture books ( with white stories and characters) for about $10 at the library. And really, when it comes to learning, if you can read you are halfway there. Encourage your kid to read and read and if they read well they will be a success or at least have the tools to be a success if they want. Also, if they end up in prison like so many White Patriots they will be able to entertain themselves.....

Gosh April - Dresden is a cutie :cheers:

Gosh April - Dresden is a cutie :cheers:


All of America should have children like that !

I've been picking out the cutest Dresden photos for my page here:

http://jabpage.org/features/dresden.html

Jerry Abbott

Well Sean, I was at a Goodwill just yesterday here in Bako looking for stuff for my neice who is almost 5 years old. I couldnt find much of anything that was not stained, ripped, torn or worn out. I guess our Goodwills here are just Mexified, but since mostly just spics work in them that makes sense. What would be considered dirty or worn to me probably passes for okay for a wetback.
The old "one room schoolhouse" clothing store just north of Hillsboro WV would probably have what you're looking for. Good brands, too. I get Snowshoe Resort souvenir shirts and shoes, very well-made stuff. (Snowshoe is sort of West Virginia's version of Aspen.)

All sizes, ages, styles. All cheap as can be. Neiman Marcus would sell it for $600. Most retailers for $40. This place? A quarter; i.e., twenty-five cents. It's amazing how cheap goods can be when overhead is kept low (the place is run by volunteer church ladies) and when there are no Jews involved.

Jerry Abbott

The old "one room schoolhouse" clothing store just north of Hillsboro WV would probably have what you're looking for. Good brands, too.


Myself...I enjoy shopping at Sal's. (Salvation Army) I make it a point to go on Wednesdays when everything is 50% off. Every once in a while I'll stumble across some good country music LP's. ;)


-Jim

It's amazing how cheap goods can be when overhead is kept low (the place is run by volunteer church ladies) and when there are no Jews involved.

Jerry Abbott


What would jews have to do with high prices ...... :rolleyes:

I went in a thrift store that benefits home hospice service the other day and they were selling all their clothes for $5 per grocery bag... whatever fit in the bag you got for $5. I found tons of stuff for my kids, nice, clean, name brand clothes. The thrift stores around here always have really nice stuff for some reason.

Gotta love how Stronza from her very first post makes it personal. She is shocked that Alex suggests that after a while, you shouldn't give a kid all the attention it wants, even if it screams. She takes that part of his post and runs with it all across the field. He has a "boot-camp mentality."

You, Alex, are not an instructor at Army Boot Camp: you are a loving, compassionate MAN who knows better than the person who took over your identity in the above post. - La Stronza.


Alex is right in that what a child needs isn't always what it wants. If I had gotten everything I wanted, it wouldn't have helped me one bit. With infants, after a while you should not come running every single time they cry out for you, because then they will do it all the time.


Dead on Alex, about men and women and their roles as a team. I remember an essay a long time ago with more thoughts on that, maybe you could post it again.

It's tough love, Stronza, and very mildly at that. Mother hens spoil children.

It's tough love, Stronza, and very mildly at that. Mother hens spoil children.

"Spoil" is what happens when something is ignored and left on the shelf for too long.

The thrift stores around here always have really nice stuff for some reason.

Because it's white people who do the donating , handling and keep everything going .

"Spoil" is what happens when something is ignored and left on the shelf for too long.

What's this nonsense? This person can't debate, so it plays with semantics? What a moser.

Good thread, I enjoyed Alex' first post. Not many people will put it that plainly. Usually it's all about luuuuuuuuv. "Love is all you need!" - buncha crap. The universe is mathematics and biology. Love, a chemical reaction, is just one part of biology, to be put in perspective like everything else.

It is fun to tell a girlfriend this. If she is intelligent, she will know right away that you are right, but she will be surprised, because she has never heard anyone dare put love in perspective before. If she is wise, she will know she has found something new and valuable in you and bake you cookies.

What's this nonsense? This person can't debate, so it plays with semantics? What a moser.

Good thread, I enjoyed Alex' first post. Not many people will put it that plainly. Usually it's all about luuuuuuuuv. "Love is all you need!" - buncha crap. The universe is mathematics and biology. Love, a chemical reaction, is just one part of biology, to be put in perspective like everything else.

It is fun to tell a girlfriend this. If she is intelligent, she will know right away that you are right, but she will be surprised, because she has never heard anyone dare put love in perspective before. If she is wise, she will know she has found something new and valuable in you and bake you cookies.


I not only know how to raise children humanely but can bake lots and lots of cookies, too! I also am able to recognize a man who still hasn't come to terms with the way he was birthed and raised, but, hey, I'm not naming names.