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EdbergEdberg
March 21st, 2004, 06:36 PM
I watched the BBC produced film adaptation of the Jane Austen's classic "Pride and Prejudice" a couple weeks ago. One can hardly ask for better pro-white entertainment.

The film is set in England a few decades before the Industrial Revolution began to remake the place. (About 1813, I think.) You get a very accurate and highly entertaining look at what life was like in a closed all-white society, no Jewish influences (other than indirectly through the Christian church) and no non-whites.

It's also fascinating to see how people lived before TV. These people were clearly socially and culturally far more advanced than we are today.

Women will probably enjoy the film more than men (it's a romantic drama), but that takes nothing away from it. We see a lot of the best qualities in our race here, a general reserve of character, understatement, nobility, patience, etc. It is a great film for white children and teenagers to watch just for the excellent role models.

The film is about five hours long, so I recommend the DVD version. It was originally presented as a made for TV mini-series.

Take the time to rent Pride and Prejudice and watch it with your wife and children. Everyone will love it. You'll simply love the experience. ;)

belfastbombshell
March 21st, 2004, 10:43 PM
I watched the BBC produced film adaptation of the Jane Austen's classic "Pride and Prejudice" a couple weeks ago. One can hardly ask for better pro-white entertainment.

The film is set in England a few decades before the Industrial Revolution began to remake the place. (About 1813, I think.) You get a very accurate and highly entertaining look at what life was like in a closed all-white society, no Jewish influences (other than indirectly through the Christian church) and no non-whites.

It's also fascinating to see how people lived before TV. These people were clearly socially and culturally far more advanced than we are today.

Women will probably enjoy the film more than men (it's a romantic drama), but that takes nothing away from it. We see a lot of the best qualities in our race here, a general reserve of character, understatement, nobility, patience, etc. It is a great film for white children and teenagers to watch just for the excellent role models.

The film is about five hours long, so I recommend the DVD version. It was originally presented as a made for TV mini-series.

Take the time to rent Pride and Prejudice and watch it with your wife and children. Everyone will love it. You'll simply love the experience. ;)

The point of Austen's novel was to show that Elizabeth Bennett's blind prejudice against Mr Darcy was ill-founded a lesson I would hope some of your chuildren will learn.

Gott
March 22nd, 2004, 06:50 AM
The point of Austen's novel was to show that Elizabeth Bennett's blind prejudice against Mr Darcy was ill-founded a lesson I would hope some of your chuildren will learn.


Ohhhhh, was that the point???? And I had always thought it was something much more sophisticated, like, for instance, that Elizabeth and Darcy had notions that interestingly complimented but at the same time opposed each other (you know...pride...and prejudice???). From reading the novel, I understood that through personal, romantic, heterosexual love, each grew and moderated their strong character traits in order to compliment and accept each other! Silly fucking me! As her characters are so psychologically realistic, I didn't see any PC moral in the book at all. Poor Jane Austen lived before the great jew era, so she, poor girl, was forced back on sharp observation in drawing her characters. If only she was writing today, the thought police would see to it that the characters indeed fit the moron template you draw for them above. Instead, they are just realistic, fully rounded human beings - what a pity!

Elizabeth's prejudices are well founded (just as they often are in life) as Darcy is a strutting snob. And by the same token Darcy's prideful ways are also quite understandable - Elizabeth's family is disgraceful as she herself fully knows (with the exception of the one sister). Perhaps you might think about actually reading the novel? That Austen never once mentions outside (the larger world) political or social forces makes the putrid little 'moral' you attempt to slap all over her great novel all the more hilarious.

Please continue your idiotic Hallmark Greeting card PC ramble through the classics.

EdbergEdberg
March 22nd, 2004, 01:06 PM
I read the novel more than 25 years ago and enjoyed it immensely. But my point here is that the movie really does do the novel justice, something that rarely happens. This is possible because the film is about five hours long and cuts nothing of consequence out of the film. You really do get to know the main characters intimately. Austen's keen powers of observation regarding human personalities comes through brilliantly.

Actually, Elizabeth Bennet is set up in her prejudice regarding Darcy by a combination of factors, the chief of which is a thoroughly false description of him by a scoundrel who had been taken in by Darcy's father and raised almost like a son by him. Given his position in life, it's understandable why Darcy comes across as aloof and condescending when he first meets Bennet and her country neighbors.

Anyway, the details of the plot are not the point I wished to make here. The issue is what a superb job the English film makers did with Austen's novel and what a delight it should be for any racially conscious white person to watch. If you have some young daughters, you should see that they watch the film. There are many valuable lessons for them in this film, besides the fact that it is so utterly different and better than the normal poison that comes from the Jews in Hollywood. And it is also far more entertaining and enjoyable than today's Jewish films.

Watch it.

Gott
March 22nd, 2004, 01:55 PM
I read the novel more than 25 years ago and enjoyed it immensely. But my point here is that the movie really does do the novel justice, something that rarely happens. This is possible because the film is about five hours long and cuts nothing of consequence out of the film. You really do get to know the main characters intimately. Austen's keen powers of observation regarding human personalities comes through brilliantly.

Actually, Elizabeth Bennet is set up in her prejudice regarding Darcy by a combination of factors, the chief of which is a thoroughly false description of him by a scoundrel who had been taken in by Darcy's father and raised almost like a son by him. Given his position in life, it's understandable why Darcy comes across as aloof and condescending when he first meets Bennet and her country neighbors.

Anyway, the details of the plot are not the point I wished to make here. The issue is what a superb job the English film makers did with Austen's novel and what a delight it should be for any racially conscious white person to watch. If you have some young daughters, you should see that they watch the film. There are many valuable lessons for them in this film, besides the fact that it is so utterly different and better than the normal poison that comes from the Jews in Hollywood. And it is also far more entertaining and enjoyable than today's Jewish films.

Watch it.

The only thing that struck me as dubious about the novel is asking the reader to accept that a person of such sensational elegance and refinement as Elizabeth could be the progeny of two such horrible parents. The father has no sense of responsibility toward his family at all (in the book) and simply retreats to his library so he won't have to deal with it; and the mother is as close to a really negative character as I can recall in any Austen novel. She is vicious, totally superficial and as bad at bringing up decent kids as is her husband. How then can Elizabeth have turned out so incredibly well? It's not realistic, though I guess miracles do happen. Darcy has every reason to be wary of such a family. Does this mini series present the parents in as...objective a way as does the book?

belfastbombshell
March 22nd, 2004, 02:00 PM
Ohhhhh, was that the point???? And I had always thought it was something much more sophisticated, like, for instance, that Elizabeth and Darcy had notions that interestingly complimented but at the same time opposed each other (you know...pride...and prejudice???). From reading the novel, I understood that through personal, romantic, heterosexual love, each grew and moderated their strong character traits in order to compliment and accept each other! Silly fucking me! As her characters are so psychologically realistic, I didn't see any PC moral in the book at all. Poor Jane Austen lived before the great jew era, so she, poor girl, was forced back on sharp observation in drawing her characters. If only she was writing today, the thought police would see to it that the characters indeed fit the moron template you draw for them above. Instead, they are just realistic, fully rounded human beings - what a pity!

Elizabeth's prejudices are well founded (just as they often are in life) as Darcy is a strutting snob. And by the same token Darcy's prideful ways are also quite understandable - Elizabeth's family is disgraceful as she herself fully knows (with the exception of the one sister). Perhaps you might think about actually reading the novel? That Austen never once mentions outside (the larger world) political or social forces makes the putrid little 'moral' you attempt to slap all over her great novel all the more hilarious.

Please continue your idiotic Hallmark Greeting card PC ramble through the classics.

Grow up-you Nords have no sense of humour. I studied Austen at A Level probably before you were born and also the Merchant & Othello before PC was invented. By the way Jane Austen is my favourite female novelist probably one of the wittiest women ever born. But I suppose you missed that too. You don't happen to be German do you - some things just don't translate.

Gott
March 22nd, 2004, 02:15 PM
Grow up-you racists have no sense of humour.

Oh...I can be pretty funny under the right circumstances:) And don't make me laugh (see?) by pretending your PC baloney was not on the level. Tell me again how you are not a lemming or PC. That really gets my sense of humor going.

And, I see not one fucking grown up thing about mincing jew 'humor.' Like Steve 'jew' Martin's grown up sense of humor piece on The Passion, right? Or perhaps you mean Woody 'jew' Allen fucking slant children? That the grow-up you mean? Hilarious and oh-so-grown up! Mocking, pulling down, snide, cynical, vile and disgusting - jew through and through. jew and grown up are not synonymous...look it up and see for yourself.

Sorry, that act don't play too well anymore, and not only here where the hard-core are, but out in the hinterland.

Gott
March 22nd, 2004, 02:22 PM
Grow up-you Nords have no sense of humour. I studied Austen at A Level probably before you were born and also the Merchant & Othello before PC was invented. By the way Jane Austen is my favourite female novelist probably one of the wittiest women ever born. But I suppose you missed that too. You don't happen to be German do you - some things just don't translate.


I'm half German and half Italian. Jane Austen is my favorite novelist (Emma I like the best, maybe...) along with Celine. They are about the only two fiction writers I read (I read plays too - Schiller is my favorite - Don Carlos). Austen's ability to get inside the character's heads...and make the thinking processes so clear...while at the same time rendering them in all their complexity and ambiguity (no cheating) is what impresses me the most about her. And I also agree completely with EdbergEdberg that her stuff is partly as wonderful as it is because it is set in a world of our racial and cultural kinsmen (white Europeans).

belfastbombshell
March 22nd, 2004, 02:46 PM
Oh...I can be pretty funny under the right circumstances:) And don't make me laugh (see?) by pretending your PC baloney was not on the level. Tell me again how you are not a lemming or PC. That really gets my sense of humor going.

And, I see not one fucking grown up thing about mincing jew 'humor.' Like Steve 'jew' Martin's grown up sense of humor piece on The Passion, right? Or perhaps you mean Woody 'jew' Allen fucking slant children? That the grow-up you mean? Hilarious and oh-so-grown up! Mocking, pulling down, snide, cynical, vile and disgusting - jew through and through. jew and grown up are not synonymous...look it up and see for yourself.

Sorry, that act don't play too well anymore, and not only here where the hard-core are, but out in the hinterland.

I hate Woody Allen - I edited that post obviously too late and naturally I was being sarcastic -which is of course the lowest form of wit.

I was told recently that a good Grammar School near me no longer taught Ohtello because of the line about 'that old black ram tupping your white ewe' and the murder scene with Desdemona because it encourages 'negative stero-typical images about black male violence toward white women'.

I abhor PC Censorship almost as much as I abhor racism.

I am no lemming which is why I am not part of any organised political party or movement.

The Othello text would be a good one for you people -Shakespeare's simple message, and as far as he was concerned he was a writer of bawdy plays was that white women who fuck black men come to a bad end ;)

Gott
March 22nd, 2004, 02:58 PM
white women who fuck black men come to a bad end ;)

Yeah, they do, don't they? Kinda weird that in writing their operas, both Rossini and Verdi took out the first act of the play where her father says just that. Race plays no part in Aida either.

I don't belong to any movement because the jews have disenfranchised me. Even talking like this in public get you fired - that's the least that will happen to you.

So, why are you here? We are obviously much, much smarter, cooler and cuter (metaphorically speaking) than the nerds on other boards...so part of the answer is obvious. But besides that superficial flashy stuff...why? Freedom is nice, isn't it. Kinda addictive.

Gott
March 22nd, 2004, 03:20 PM
Chatting up the ladies, eh Gott? Remember, the He-Man Woman Hater's Club bylaws apply here. ;)

just smiling is too fucking short, or so the little machine tells me, so i have to do this before I can really reply: :)

belfastbombshell
March 22nd, 2004, 03:40 PM
Yeah, they do, don't they? Kinda weird that in writing their operas, both Rossini and Verdi took out the first act of the play where her father says just that. Race plays no part in Aida either.

I don't belong to any movement because the jews have disenfranchised me. Even talking like this in public get you fired - that's the least that will happen to you.

So, why are you here? We are obviously much, much smarter, cooler and cuter (metaphorically speaking) than the nerds on other boards...so part of the answer is obvious. But besides that superficial flashy stuff...why? Freedom is nice, isn't it. Kinda addictive.

I don't normally visit message boards but this one was the only one willing to discuss the Wichita Massacre, noone else wanted to know especially feminists and I was really angry about that. I am off work with flu so I've spent a day or so on these boards. I believe that anyone regardless of race, class, religion, gender has the right to equality of opportunity - but if they prove themselves unfit to be part of humanity then that's something else. I can't bear political or cultural censorship. While I don't like 80% of what white power people believe I think its important to try to find out why they think like they do. I have argued politics, religion and drank with convicted UVF and IRA men so I like a good fight. I'm afraid I don't know anything about opera at all. Its a preserve of the upper class where I come from! :)

Gott
March 22nd, 2004, 03:46 PM
I don't normally visit message boards but this one was the only one willing to discuss the Wichita Massacre, noone else wanted to know especially feminists and I was really angry about that. I am off work with flu so I've spent a day or so on these boards. I believe that anyone regardless of race, class, religion, gender has the right to equality of opportunity - but if they prove themselves unfit to be part of humanity then that's something else. I can't bear political or cultural censorship. While I don't like 80% of what white power people believe I think its important to try to find out why they think like they do. I have argued politics, religion and drank with convicted UVF and IRA men so I like a good fight. I'm afraid I don't know anything about opera at all. Its a preserve of the upper class where I come from! :)

The guys here (my brethren) keep calling you a jew, if you'll pardon the expression. Are ya one?

belfastbombshell
March 22nd, 2004, 05:29 PM
The guys here (my brethren) keep calling you a jew, if you'll pardon the expression. Are ya one?

An Chara,

If I am a Jew they must have had the Feds or MI6 train me for a pretty long time. As I said yesterday I don't mind it when they call me a Jew but when they start accusing me of being male...........

As far as I know there are fewer than 500 Jewish people in Ireland. There is one synagouge in the whole of the North. Would you like me to repeat the catechism (Presbyterian) or sing you the Sash or the Men Behind The Wire ?

Why do you all think anyone who disagrees with you is Jewish You are worse than the thought police :p

Gott
March 22nd, 2004, 05:40 PM
An Chara,

If I am a Jew they must have had the Feds or MI6 train me for a pretty long time. As I said yesterday I don't mind it when they call me a Jew but when they start accusing me of being male...........

As far as I know there are fewer than 500 Jewish people in Ireland. There is one synagouge in the whole of the North. Would you like me to repeat the catechism (Presbyterian) or sing you the Sash or the Men Behind The Wire ?

Why do you all think anyone who disagrees with you is Jewish You are worse than the thought police :p


Ah...all I did was ask...and politely too, if I remember right. I know this (GREAT) place can make one punchy, but...

You wrote something earlier in a post that I've been wondering about. Something to the effect that the USA saved Europe from Nazi tyranny. I know I didn't quote you, but it is a paraphrase I think. Do you really believe that? I believed that once, when I was a good little lemming who trusted in love and went along with (while gritting my teeth) ...'THERE IS ONLY ONE RACE THE HUMAN RACE', and all the rest of the propaganda ministry's output. When I started looking at the facts of the lead up to and then the actual war, and saw that they pointed in a direction diametrically opposite to my entire belief system, I was forced to make a choice. Continue to go with what I more and more saw to be not only untrue but monstrously evil, or wake up and take the consequences of knowing the horrible truth. If you know enough of the history to talk about it factually and calmly, and you are on the level, you might learn something here. That's assuming you want to of course (talk about whether or not Europe needed saving from Nazi tyranny). That sentiment is quite untrue you know.

belfastbombshell
March 22nd, 2004, 05:51 PM
[QUOTE=Doppelhaken]So you've appointed yourself guardian of our children now, is that it? I apologize for this not being about "Pride and Prejudice," but what I have to say definitely applies.

Has it ever occured to you that every anti on this board, including yourself, has a contention against White Racial Loyalty based purely on moralism, like some unsophisticated White in one of your jew created and lauded movies or tv shows?

1. i have no problem with those who believe in white racial loyalty, what I do have a problem with it hatred directed against another group.

There is overwhelming empirical and biological evidence that jews are Taetervolk: not a religion, but a millenia old organized crime syndicate, built along racial lines, with infilitration and manipulations subtle and gross an undeniable trait.

2. If your talking about the Protocols I,'ve read all about them and the evidence is that they are a fake. If you have empirical evidence to suggest otherwise direct me to it and I will read it

It is painfully obvious that the congoid (negro) race is a race of violent children; distinguishing themselves from the jew in that physical isolation from them is sufficient to protect one's family and culture from their congenital capacity for destruction: provided they are not given "a leg up" by the jew.
3. 'painfully obvious' - unscientific as my alleged 'moralism'

But you come here claiming that we are unsophisticated and irrational, when your position is in fact, no more cogent or intelligent than some superstitious bible-thumping zealot. And I know for a fact that that has never even occurred to you.

4. Put the word 'unsophisticated' into the search you will find that, you called me that in this post and I have never used the term - not would I find the term denigrating. I would not claim my position is mmore rational than yours it is based not just on loyalty to my race but loyalty to humanity.

So, just what are you going to teach us about this human fungibility myth?
5. I am not trying to teach you anything but to understand why you hold the beliefs you do. I have obviously mistaken you for a group of people who believe in freedom of expression.

If that makes me an unscientific, illogical, emotional idiot then you can blame Mother Nature because the scientists you hold so dear -you eugenicists will tell you my brain is smaller than yours and does not work in logical ways because I don't have a dick. OK :(

EdbergEdberg
March 22nd, 2004, 06:13 PM
The only thing that struck me as dubious about the novel is asking the reader to accept that a person of such sensational elegance and refinement as Elizabeth could be the progeny of two such horrible parents. The father has no sense of responsibility toward his family at all (in the book) and simply retreats to his library so he won't have to deal with it; and the mother is as close to a really negative character as I can recall in any Austen novel. She is vicious, totally superficial and as bad at bringing up decent kids as is her husband. How then can Elizabeth have turned out so incredibly well? It's not realistic, though I guess miracles do happen. Darcy has every reason to be wary of such a family. Does this mini series present the parents in as...objective a way as does the book?

As I said, I read the novel back in the mid-70s, so I don't remember how Liz's parents came across to me in the book. But in the movie her mother is a woman of average intelligence who has a matron's place in the lower gentry, a position that she really isn't fit for. She is indeed superficial, too much concerned with petty social affairs, and just isn't able to see into any situation with any depth, and is always looking towards her own personal interests. In the DVD version there is a section where the making of the film is analyzed and the actress who plays the mother is interviewed. Here we see what a brilliant job of acting was done, because in real life the actress is nothing like the mother and obviously understands the role thoroughly.

The father comes across much more sympathetically in the film. Yes, he spends too much time in his study. But with a dingbat for a wife and five daughters for a household, is it any wonder he seeks solitude? He comes across as much wiser and more intelligent than the mother, and kinder. He genuinely likes his second daughter, Elizabeth, because she has so many of his own qualities. This comes across repeatedly that Lizzie gets her genes from her father, not her mother. His only real flaw is that he is too tolerant and liberal with his girls, the exact opposite of his wife's constant meddling and micro-managing.

Of the five daughters, the eldest, Jane, is modestly intelligent and of good character. Lizzie is the real gem. One is pathetically plain with a bland personality, who tries to compensate by becoming as good as possible on the pianio and with her singing. (She is stuck playing the music for the other girls to dance to at the social gatherings.) And the two youngest are just so young and flighty and full of energy that it's hard to fully judge them, until one runs off with the scoundrel and nearly ruins the faimily name, or would, were it not for Mr. Darcy coming to the rescue.

So, with the parents she has, with five offspring, it seems quite possible to get one child of exceptional intellect and character like Liz out of the bunch, when the rest range from above average to well below.

Because we get such a detailed look at the family life here, I think this is the main reason that girls and young women would profit from watching the film. We see how one of the younger sisters ruins herself and nearly disgraces her family. And we see how Liz's patience and solid character pay off in the end. My daughter is only two right now, but I was so impressed with the film that I bought a DVD version of it. I promise you that she will watch the film many times while growing up and soak in the lessons it will offer her.

Alex Linder
December 9th, 2009, 11:42 PM
on morals in Austen

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703683804574531863687486876.html

albion
December 10th, 2009, 05:22 AM
>>> In this lavish adaptation of Jane Austen's classical romance, Elizabeth Bennett is a strong-willed yet sensible young woman whose father is a gentleman with a quite modest estate and whose uncle suffers in status from being a businessman in Cheapside. She has four sisters, a long-suffering but loving father, and a mother anxious to marry them to wealthy young gentlemen. At a local ball, she encounters one such wealthy young man, Mr. Fitzwilliam Darcy -- and as Mr. Darcy is arrogant, cold and rude, it is hatred at first sight. As her older sister Jane falls in love with Mr. Darcy's best friend Mr. Bingley, and her youngest sister Lydia flirts with anyone in a military uniform, Lizzie finds herself fighting off the attentions of the unctuous Mr. Collins and quite taken by the charming Mr. Wickham - who also happens to be an enemy of Mr. Darcy. However, as the characters succumb in many ways to pride and prejudice, Lizzie learns that not all is quite as it seems...and that Mr. Darcy might not be so disagreeable after all. <<<

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112130/

ZEK S 854
December 10th, 2009, 09:06 AM
I saw the referred to production of "Pride and Prejudice" (1995) with Jennifer Ehle and Colin Firth a few years ago. I sat through the five hours of the boxed set one rainy Sunday afternoon. Oh, how great it is to be the inheritor of such a wonderful culture!

For those who enjoyed "Pride and Prejudice", and who wouldn't, please see my October 9th 2009 posting entitled "A `Must See' Film for All White Nationalists" regarding a similar period work which was released this year, the Jane Campion film entitled "Bright Star" regarding the English poet John Keats. I recommended the film to all White Nationalists and although receiving 204 views of my post, not a single addition to the thread of the subject.

Please display an interest in Anglo-Saxon culture and language and see "Bright Star."

N.B. Forrest
December 10th, 2009, 08:43 PM
I too love the Ehle-Firth version. There was one scene in particular that is etched indelibly on my memory; the one where Ehle gazes sadly into her bedroom mirror just before retiring for the night: a more achingly, breath-takingly gorgeous image of a girl you will never see.....

steven clark
December 11th, 2009, 11:59 AM
I like this thread, but at the risk of sounding like a complete boob, I admit that I don't care for Austen. I tried to read her works, and did read P&P and EMMA, but they seem dull and all the female who weds who and who won't kind of put me off. I'm happier with Byron or Balzac. Or Pushkin. In EUGENE
ONEGIN, the who weds whom gets tragic.

That being said, I recognize Austen's genius, and did find P&P funny when I got through the regency prose, and the film adaptations are wonderful.

I wrote Andrew Davies, who did the script, and he had a lot of fun writing it,
saying he kept the more treacly bits of dialogue out. There recently was a BBC complete Jane Austen...all of you might like it, and I think the BBC EMMA\with Kate Beckinsale is much better than the movie with Gyneth Paltrow. Kate seems more like Emma.

There is also a good film MISS AUSTEN REGRETS, which is a bio of Jane. Nicely done, and I think captures what Austen must have been like.

I belong to a dance performance group that does dances from the period, and dance several of those seen in the films. It's lots of fun, civilized, the music charming.

The recent movie of P&P with Kira Knightly was good. It was two hours where the BBC series was five, but I didn't really see any cuts that hurt the adaptation. Actually, if the BBC had been shortened to four hours, I wouldn't have minded it.

Politics in Austen. Austen followed the usual custom. When politics was discussed, the women immediately left the room. However, she had relatives in the royal navy, so was quite familiar with its operations.

The fact that Austen's works are very popular and that JASNA (Jane Austen Society) has chapters everywhere and a lot of women are enthusiastic supporters is a good thing.

However, one author is writing Jane Austen novels with zombies and ghouls in them. Yuck.