here is some interesting reading for students of the origins of Christianity. Discussion of Christianity as Hellenic Syncretism I found intriguing.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/pr/pr11.htm

Lots of good stuff at sacred-texts.

somebody said elsewhere at this forum they even have a series of Talmud translations there. I havent checked that.

When you scroll down the list of available texts, aren't you struck by things like how many mythologies have a flood epic?

When you scroll down the list of available texts, aren't you struck by things like how many mythologies have a flood epic?

absolutely. there are a few other mythic stories that are widely distributed especially God dies and is Resurrected stories. Osiris was the fountainhead of that archetype, I believe, but Mitra was an immediate precursor to Christianity.

I've often considered the Incarnation of Christ as a similar to the story of Heracles becoming a god. Christ definitely fits the heroic type.

You have another parallel in Baldur of course.

I understand that Christ is considered an analog of Dionysos by some. I first read that suggestion in Ann Rice's fiction if you can believe that, and have seen it elsewhere.

Please see: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10402a.htm . I thought you would appreciate the reference from the Catholic Encyclopedia. Like it says, they were both practiced till 4th century. Mithraism was first of the two. And besides, this is a side avenue to the point I was trying to make. All of the similarities of the multitude of religions, and yet each claim to be the only true path. While calling the others mythology. If one of these was true, do you think the others would be tolerated? If one of these was true, don't you think it would be obvious?
And do not confuse my sentiments toward organized religion as a sign I am
devoid of spirituality. Which is why my posts against organized religion seem so frustrated. I believe there is a need for real investigation into this area that is being veiled by social club religions. Mankind is older than 5764 years, for crying out loud.

of course. what you are alluding to is one of the usual "esoteric truths" of many secret societies including they say the Templars, ie, that there are certain forms which appear and reappear in other faiths and no one faith is the true and exclusive path to enlightenment.

however no exoteric faith could get along without saying that so they dont. Taoism and Zen kind of come close. Evola discusses this in "Doctrine of Awakening" and a couple different monographs he wrote.

People can call that lies or you can call that layers of meaning and understanding. I think it's like an onion. you peel it and the layers get thicker towards the core.

And on a certain level it's not a lie. You have to believe you are right. You have to believe your tribe is the best. That is a fundamental starting point in life. If people dont start there, they are rootless atoms and soon become absolutely bankrupt.

So you need both tribalism, so to speak, and an appreciation of your larger place in the cosmos. That is the golden mean.

If I am to proclaim my belief in one system, it must be transparent. No murky areas. No later inclusions. Above reproach. I have investigated many, and found all lacking. Whimsical ideas about mans need to squelch his fears by making up supernatural dieties, who he best be afraid of, sounds like the biggest extortion racket ever. A.E., you seem to be one of the brighter stars here. Care to tell me how Christians rationalize human remains older than 5764 years old? That is the amount of all the years from Adam to the current day, by the Bible. That is why the jews consider this the year 5764. Since these same characters are shared by the Christians, that date applies to them also. Kennewick Man is supposed to be 10,500 years old. His skull could be mine.

If I am to proclaim my belief in one system, it must be transparent. No murky areas. No later inclusions. Above reproach. I have investigated many, and found all lacking. Whimsical ideas about mans need to squelch his fears by making up supernatural dieties, who he best be afraid of, sounds like the biggest extortion racket ever. A.E., you seem to be one of the brighter stars here. Care to tell me how Christians rationalize human remains older than 5764 years old? That is the amount of all the years from Adam to the current day, by the Bible. That is why the jews consider this the year 5764. Since these same characters are shared by the Christians, that date applies to them also. Kennewick Man is supposed to be 10,500 years old. His skull could be mine.

Easy. They dont take the Bible literally. It's full of metaphor, allegory, symbol, and crypsis. It must be decoded and deciphered. That is not an individual process-- I mean, it is for kikes poring over the Kaballah-- but it is a community process wherein you receive from birth a faith tradition as part of your ethnos, your ethnicity, and it has meaning to you that changes over time. You learn the stories literally to remember them but over time, their significance and application and hidden secrets are unlocked with both personal experience, and also with teaching from your own communal tribal elders. That's how its supposed to work.

Instead what we have is a) a completely degenerate modern understanding of religious myth faith and tradition, mostly taught to us by Frankfurt school kikes who were intentionally lying and fucking things up, b) a certain amount of aping imitation of Jews by Calvinists and some other protestants that EXPLICITLY sought to make Christianity more Jewish, through assailing religious art (iconoclasm) and hierarchy (egalitarianism). Those two factors have all but gutted Christianity as a complex well evolved system suited to our folk, and its place we are constantly trying to reinvent the wheel.

Or, saying we dont want to avail ourselves of this human artifice, this invention of society-- religious faith--at all. That is the Luddite position. But you cant put the genie back in the lamp nor can you undo Pandora's box. (ooops, metaphor, religious mythic metaphors, dont want to confuse you guys!) If we dont wield the tool of religion, the shekies will do it for us. And they are.

So the religionist's angle is that religion, even if not based in fact, is overall good for a culture. I say that is baloney. Anything that cannot stand up to scrutiny will be dissolved. There will always be "doubting Thomases" poking around. A religion not based on facts will eventually be poked by a charismatic. Who will then lead the flock to his own ends. Those former adherents will become some of the most vigorous persecutors of the previous belief system.
In sum, a culture based on fantasy will be brought back to reality. In a cart pulled by misery and death.

facts? like that you're a person? how are you not merely saltwater and carbon? how are you differentiated from other atoms? how are the atoms more than mere energy? how was matter differentiated from energy in the primal ball of hot stuff?

much is a matter of perspective and what somebody regards as a "fiction" or a "myth" may be a useful concept for someone else who is less of a penetrating genius.