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halturnershow
March 26th, 2004, 10:57 PM
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Rob Roy MacGregor
March 26th, 2004, 11:28 PM
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As one of the resident "gurus" on Highland dress, I can say without a doubt, that is NOT appropriate or traditional wear for Scottish women of ANY AGE, (except in the bedroom on her LEGAL wedding night).
http://www.clangregor.org/images/costume-carolynn.jpg
http://www.clangregor.org/history-tartan-women.html
http://www.medievalscotland.org/clothing/scotwomen.shtml

If those were my daughters they would be SENT HOME IMMEDIATELY to CHANGE!

Of course this isn't the worst JEWING of Scottish attire I've seen...

http://www.skirtman.org/dallas02.jpg
http://www.skirtman.org/gallery.html

I can't wait till we run out of bullets and have to use CLAYMORES!!!
http://www.medievaltimes.com/giftshop/swordclaymore.cfm

heaven above
March 26th, 2004, 11:35 PM
I have to be honest. THAT is what I first thought when I saw that picture !

Dr. Pierce must be turning in his grave.

Georgie
March 26th, 2004, 11:43 PM
That attire is a bit unnecessary for girls of that age. What are they trying to do, follow the example of Jewish culture by having younger and younger girls dress up as some sort of sluts?

Claymores eh hehe? I'll take a double bladed axe please. :)
http://www.scaryfaces.com/img/access2/WEAA3004ex.jpg

Old White Goat
March 27th, 2004, 12:05 AM
Aint those that April Gaede chicks kids. She seems like the type from what I read 'bout her here, that would exploit her kids like that with those ultra short miniskirts.

heaven above
March 27th, 2004, 12:07 AM
Is the National Alliance being infiltrated by jews like, it woul appear, most other 'white nationalist' partied like the BNP, FN etc., ?

We are 'deffo' being sold out. And I blame the American Renaissance for this trojan horse shit ! :mad:

heaven above
March 27th, 2004, 12:09 AM
Yes, spelling bad. But anger and 'nationalist common sense' are prevailing ! :mad:

Neptune_Towers
March 27th, 2004, 12:14 AM
You people are some sick fucks to get "kiddie porn" out of that picture.
I think the average IQ on this board is probably about 2 points higher than that of a nigger.

heaven above
March 27th, 2004, 12:18 AM
Which would be 2 points ahead of you then, :D my friend !

Neptune_Towers
March 27th, 2004, 12:20 AM
Which would be 2 points ahead of you then, :D my friend !

*YAWN*


There's not even anyone here besides the Rabbi Linowitz who even knows how to flame here.

How the fuck do you get "kiddie porn" out of that picture? Sick...

Werwolf
March 27th, 2004, 12:35 AM
If they grow up to be anything like most white power women, I'm sure at LEAST one of them will have been pregnant by they time they hit 15, knocked up by some skinhead "warrior" no doubt.

White Knight
March 27th, 2004, 03:29 AM
Looks like typical Catholic school girls to me. On a somewhat related note, why do you think only Jews approve of girls (older girls, not kids like these two) dressing sluttly? I think only a bunch of fags would not want to see an attractive young lady dressed a little skimpy.

Whirlwind
March 27th, 2004, 07:36 AM
Apparently N.T. has no children. No good reason for that picture on the cover, or anywhere else. Is that "Prussian Blue" blurb supposed to go with that picture? The word "blue" has some meanings that should prevent it being used in association with children. Just this side of sick.

Mike Mazzone of Palatine
March 27th, 2004, 09:19 AM
Looks like typical Catholic school girls to me. On a somewhat related note, why do you think only Jews approve of girls (older girls, not kids like these two) dressing sluttly? I think only a bunch of fags would not want to see an attractive young lady dressed a little skimpy.
I gotta agree with you white knight. I think it's a good cover. The girls are wearing tights underneath their skirts anyways. Those two girls are going to have a younger sibling born soon.

It isn't kiddy porn. I've downloaded that on accident before. It started out as a typical blow job video then the woman takes her mouth off and a small girl you didn't see before mimics the mother. I think it's bad enough they let the girl watch, much less do some sucking herself! And them videotape it and put it out as normal porn for free on the net. She's too young to even know better.

Whirlwind
March 27th, 2004, 09:31 AM
I hope you can later claim you were drunk when you posted that P.C.

Robert W. Hoffman
March 27th, 2004, 10:07 AM
You people are some sick fucks to get "kiddie porn" out of that picture.
I think the average IQ on this board is probably about 2 points higher than that of a nigger.Fuck you, troll. That pic reminds me of something Calvin Klein would've used in an ad campaign subliminally endorsing kiddie porn. Both these girls were clothed in those ultra-short skirts for a reason. And have you noticed the somewhat suggestive poses? Granted, it's not child pornography - but I'm sure a roomful of grown men reviewing that pic for a magazine cover could'nt have missed the sexual undertones of such a photo. Stupid bitch.

Mike Mazzone of Palatine
March 27th, 2004, 10:13 AM
I hope you can later claim you were drunk when you posted that P.C.
You download enough porn from file sharing servers you'll find one with kids sooner or later. It isn't like I was looking for it. It tuned me off from searching for porn for a while.

You'll find beastiality without looking for it, too. Boredom has taken me to the lowest bowels of the internet. I'm not afraid to admit that. If I see some one spamming a child porn site on IRC, I definately WON'T click on the link.

Gott
March 27th, 2004, 10:19 AM
Fuck you, troll. That pic reminds me of something Calvin Klein would've used in an ad campaign subliminally endorsing kiddie porn. Both these girls were clothed in those ultra-short skirts for a reason. And have you noticed the somewhat suggestive poses? Granted, it's not child pornography - but I'm sure a roomful of grown men reviewing that pic for a magazine cover could'nt have missed the sexual undertones of such a photo. Stupid bitch.

I visited my family at Christmas - all self proclaimed conservative republicans. One of my cousins has a 12 year old daughter. Star scholar at school, etc. She is studying Italian among other things and wants to go there this summer. She asks me about it. She is 12, in the house of her grandmother, on Christmas eve, and is wearing a skinny strapped, shiny/sheeny dress that starts about 1/4 inch above where her boobs are starting to develop and ends about 1/4 inch below her crotch. Skin tight, of course, and she is caked in makeup and has on silky hose too. When I say that if you go to southern Italy dressed like a slut, then the guys there will assume you are a slut and act accordingly - general consternation.

A lot of people can't see this garbage for what it is as they are so inured to it and it is the new kike norm to look and behave this way. Disgusting.

Draco
March 27th, 2004, 10:43 AM
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While I feel calling this child pornography is going overboard, as there is no nudity or sexual activity, there is definately the aroma of pedophilia surrounding the picture. Perhaps this is what the jews would call, "child erotica"?

Either way, I do not like it.

Yeah, this is hearsay, but that April woman is apparently some kind of whore, and its really no surprise someone lacking any self-respect for themselves would let their children be taken advantage of in the same way.

It would be interesting to find out who thought of the idea, who approved the shoot, and who took the picture.

For some reason, I can imagine that fat, beady eyed fuck Pringle drooling over this.

Mike Mazzone of Palatine
March 27th, 2004, 10:52 AM
The rumor I heard about April Gaede is that she slept with Gliebe so that he would produce a CD featuring her 2 daughters.

Prussian Blue is the name of there band.

Here are some more pictures on a Resistance thread (http://resistance.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1759).

Kind Lampshade Maker
March 27th, 2004, 10:54 AM
While I feel calling this child pornography is going overboard, as there is no nudity or sexual activity, there is definately the aroma of pedophilia surrounding the picture. Perhaps this is what the jews would call, "child erotica"?

Either way, I do not like it.

Yeah, this is hearsay, but that April woman is apparently some kind of whore, and its really no surprise someone lacking any self-respect for themselves would let their children be taken advantage of in the same way.

It would be interesting to find out who thought of the idea, who approved the shoot, and who took the picture.

For some reason, I can imagine that fat, beady eyed fuck Pringle drooling over this.
It's easy to view them as women, instead of children. That's the thin dividing line. Blonde hair blue eyed women are attractive. Nicht wahr?

diabloblanco92
March 27th, 2004, 10:56 AM
What is this VNN or the Cotton Mather Electronic Witchburners forum, or is it the Taliban forum? Only a sicko would consider that kiddie porn, unless you think its "pornographic" for young girls to be wearing anything other than burlap sacks.
Your forgetting something, these girls area a WN band, Prussian Blue. Sure they are going to look attractive on a CD cover. I actually think its an ingenious idea to try to create a WN version of Hillary Duff.
Why.....because thats what young White girls will identify with. They want to identify with one of their counterparts that appearsattractive and that they would want to be like. Our enemies have realized this forever, and expolited it to the hilt against us.
Now that we are getting a huge influx of high IQ people into the movement, as opposed to the embarassments that made up an all too large proportion of it in the past, this is finally being realized.

diablo

Robert W. Hoffman
March 27th, 2004, 10:57 AM
I visited my family at Christmas - all self proclaimed conservative republicans. One of my cousins has a 12 year old daughter. Star scholar at school, etc. She is studying Italian among other things and wants to go there this summer. She asks me about it. She is 12, in the house of her grandmother, on Christmas eve, and is wearing a skinny strapped, shiny/sheeny dress that starts about 1/4 inch above where her boobs are starting to develop and ends about 1/4 inch below her crotch. Skin tight, of course, and she is caked in makeup and has on silky hose too. When I say that if you go to southern Italy dressed like a slut, then the guys there will assume you are a slut and act accordingly - general consternation.

A lot of people can't see this garbage for what it is as they are so inured to it and it is the new kike norm to look and behave this way. Disgusting.
All part of the jew master plan in bringing down the White race once and for all. Is it mere coincidence that the biggest purveyors of this type of shit are the kikes themselves? Hell no. From MTV's blatant endorsement of race-mixing to Madison Avenue's not-so-covert agenda of pushing prepubescent sexuality right down our goyim throats, this, is no accident. The whole idea is to eliminate moral standards altogether, thereby speeding along the process of our society's decay. And nobody says a fuckin' thing about it. Remarkable how these yid bastards manage to shelter their own young from all this multiculturalist bullshit though, eh?

Draco
March 27th, 2004, 11:01 AM
It's easy to view them as women, instead of children. That's the thin dividing line. Blonde hair blue eyed women are attractive. Nicht wahr?


But theyre not women.

They are girls.

Robert W. Hoffman
March 27th, 2004, 11:08 AM
While I feel calling this child pornography is going overboard, as there is no nudity or sexual activity, there is definately the aroma of pedophilia surrounding the picture. Perhaps this is what the jews would call, "child erotica"?

Either way, I do not like it.

Yeah, this is hearsay, but that April woman is apparently some kind of whore, and its really no surprise someone lacking any self-respect for themselves would let their children be taken advantage of in the same way.

It would be interesting to find out who thought of the idea, who approved the shoot, and who took the picture.

For some reason, I can imagine that fat, beady eyed fuck Pringle drooling over this.Could'nt have put it better myself. It's not kiddie porn per se, but it is suggestive of it. A little subliminal implanting of the "idea" of pedophilia itself, no doubt. These guys should've been just a tad more discriminating in their choice of a magazine cover. End of story.

Mike Mazzone of Palatine
March 27th, 2004, 11:25 AM
They had to do something controversial to boost sales and get more people to talk about the magazine. Resistance magazine hasn't really been shocking for years. I wonder if any young boys will become more interested in racialism when they see pretty young girls involved on the cover. Sex sells.

Ultimatly, getting more young people involved isn't a bad idea. I first started hearing about Turner Diaries, W.A.R, ect. when I was in high school. It had an effect on my thinking.

There certainly are a lot of witch-burning types on this forum. Lack of censorship will expose this pretty well.

MuKau
March 27th, 2004, 11:40 AM
What ever happend to the two fingures above the knee rule?

Draco
March 27th, 2004, 11:41 AM
They had to do something controversial to boost sales and get more people to talk about the magazine. Resistance magazine hasn't really been shocking for years. I wonder if any young boys will become more interested in racialism when they see pretty young girls involved on the cover. Sex sells.

Ultimatly, getting more young people involved isn't a bad idea. I first started hearing about Turner Diaries, W.A.R, ect. when I was in high school. It had an effect on my thinking.

There certainly are a lot of witch-burning types on this forum. Lack of censorship will expose this pretty well.

You honestly think this would attract young boys? A picture like the one on the Resistance cover would attract guys like this:

http://www.artthrob.co.za/oct98/images/turk-bum.jpg

When I was a boy of about 12 or so, THIS is what I wanted(shit, still do!):

http://www.torontoamateurs.com/sexylea/sexylea1.jpg

The weird guy I posted is the one who'd find that cover arousing, the picture I posted of an actual woman, not two girls, is what normal men and boys would rather look at.

Mike Mazzone of Palatine
March 27th, 2004, 12:15 PM
there's a prevelant strain within WN that merely asks for an all-White version of Amerikwa.
What are you asking for then? Does a racially healthy society have to have a streak of puritianism in it to be worthy for you to accept?

Mike Mazzone of Palatine
March 27th, 2004, 12:47 PM
I've never claimed to be Aryan. It is an amibiguous term. I consider myself to be white. Hitler thought Japs were more Aryan than slavs, his biggest mistake was the alliance with gooks. I certainly don't believe a nazi rehash is the key to racial survival.

Pornography is an Orwellian term. The Resistance cover looks like it's in good taste to me. Young girls wearing short skirts are better than young wiggers wearing baggy jeans hanging halfway off their ass.

I'll admit the content of Resistance isn't anything too valuable, but after all it's a music magazine. It would've died with George Eric Hawthorne's arrest, and he afterwards called it a "paper tiger" that he created.

Do you subsribe to any mags with racial content like thunderboltoftruth or even nationalvanguard? There is a racialist market for music and another for thought. Resistance does include a few interesting articles. I've been subscribed since before Gliebe took over.

VNN actually caught a lot of shit from the NA over a nude photo. NA are more puritans than VNN. I highly doubt Alex Linder would make a big stink about the cover of Resistance.

Mike Mazzone of Palatine
March 27th, 2004, 01:07 PM
Ambiguous only to the feeble-minded.
Do you consider japs aryan or white? Hitler sure did.
Because it's too demanding of quality for you to fit in? WHAT would you suggest is the best philosophy to adopt if not National Socialism?
It's not difficult to fit in. They are no less cultish than any other group. I believe creativity is the best philosophy.

Gott
March 27th, 2004, 02:29 PM
seek counciling.

Yeah more jew bullshit, just as is the underlying agenda of the viewpoint. Oh, you see something disgusting in 12 year old girls in mini skirts with come hither looks...you must be sick! Of course, all 12 year old girls should look and give signals like this. It's called displacement, I think, an old kike psycho babble way of calling black white and up down...as is 'counseling' as well.

Robert W. Hoffman
March 27th, 2004, 02:40 PM
Yeah more jew bullshit, just as is the underlying agenda of the viewpoint. Oh, you see something disgusting in 12 year old girls in mini skirts with come hither looks...you must be sick! Of course, all 12 year old girls should look and give signals like this. It's called displacement, I think, an old kike psycho babble way of calling black white and up down...as is 'counseling' as well.Really - about the only things these two prepubescent girls are missing is hooker makeup and "fuck-me" stiletto heels. Just how much further up their thighs do these skirts have to crawl before you yell, "Enough is enough!?" C'mon Brighton.....betcha 10-15 years ago you would have thought that pic at least indecent. Don't you see what's slooowly happening here? To our culture.....to our moral standards? I had you pegged for better than that.

Werwolf
March 27th, 2004, 03:07 PM
Do you consider japs aryan or white? Hitler sure did.

No he didnt. He said they were the "Aryans of the East", in other words, compared to other Asians.

White Knight
March 27th, 2004, 03:38 PM
Jews, Jews, Jews, that's all I hear. While they run the media, Hollywood, and our government, they are not to blame for young girls dressing sluttly. I for one am not bothered by this one bit, as long as the girls aren't as young ass those girls in that pic. However, I don't even think they are dresed slutty. Skimpy perhaps, but I've seen much worse around here.

Kind Lampshade Maker
March 27th, 2004, 04:04 PM
You honestly think this would attract young boys? A picture like the one on the Resistance cover would attract guys like this:

http://www.artthrob.co.za/oct98/images/turk-bum.jpg

When I was a boy of about 12 or so, THIS is what I wanted(shit, still do!):

http://www.torontoamateurs.com/sexylea/sexylea1.jpg

The weird guy I posted is the one who'd find that cover arousing, the picture I posted of an actual woman, not two girls, is what normal men and boys would rather look at.
Is this Bruce Springsteen before or after the plastic surgery?

Robert W. Hoffman
March 27th, 2004, 04:05 PM
Jews, Jews, Jews, that's all I hear. While they run the media, Hollywood, and our government, they are not to blame for young girls dressing sluttly. I for one am not bothered by this one bit, as long as the girls aren't as young ass those girls in that pic. However, I don't even think they are dresed slutty. Skimpy perhaps, but I've seen much worse around here.
"Jews, Jews, Jews," is fuckin' right. You'd better get used to it real quick there, pal. I see you've got over 40 posts, which tells me that you should know better. Just how many posts put-up by others do you actually read? Seems like you have'nt learned all that much, have you?

Yes - jews are to blame for young White girls dressing slutty. Who the hell do you think is behind this leftist agenda to bring down our moral standards and code of decency? Do you know who the biggest porn producers in this country are? Of what race? Do you know who owns MTV - the biggest promoter of interracial and pre-teen sex on the jew-tube? Do you know that no new fashion trend is allowed to take root in this country without the go-ahead from Madison Ave. and their cousins in Hymiewood? And guess who controls these two bastions of wholesomeness and decency? Go ahead......take a wild guess. And then tell us once again that jews are'nt "responsible" for White girls dressing slutty.

These girls are anxious to grow-up before their time because the media - the jews-media tells 'em it's the cool thing to do. Ya' understand that?

White Knight
March 27th, 2004, 05:37 PM
"Jews, Jews, Jews," is fuckin' right. You'd better get used to it real quick there, pal. I see you've got over 40 posts, which tells me that you should know better. Just how many posts put-up by others do you actually read? Seems like you have'nt learned all that much, have you?

Yes - jews are to blame for young White girls dressing slutty. Who the hell do you think is behind this leftist agenda to bring down our moral standards and code of decency? Do you know who the biggest porn producers in this country are? Of what race? Do you know who owns MTV - the biggest promoter of interracial and pre-teen sex on the jew-tube? Do you know that no new fashion trend is allowed to take root in this country without the go-ahead from Madison Ave. and their cousins in Hymiewood? And guess who controls these two bastions of wholesomeness and decency? Go ahead......take a wild guess. And then tell us once again that jews are'nt "responsible" for White girls dressing slutty.

These girls are anxious to grow-up before their time because the media - the jews-media tells 'em it's the cool thing to do. Ya' understand that?

I've been WN since the 1991 Duke for Governor election, have my own forum board (back up next week), and post on numerous other WN forums. I know what I'm talking about, and understand the Jewish threat. With that being said, I'm a moderate WN and certainly not a Nazi. While Jews deserve their fair share of blame, not everything is their fault. I won't give Jews credit for white girls dressing slutty. Who cares? It's nice on the eye. Face it, we're all straight here. Do you really get offended seeing a tennie in short shorts and a tank top? How about seeing a girl in a thing on the beach? All I'll say is I'm all for it. I'm 31 and girls have never looked hotter. Young guys growing up are extremely lucky with these girls around. I wish they looked that good when I was a teen. Like my uncle said, "If your Aunt looked like these girls do today when I met her, our kids would be three years older."

White Knight
March 27th, 2004, 05:50 PM
It is not so much the fact how they dress but how they act. And I do see alot of teeny boppers dressing like Gott described and acting like sluts too. 13 year old girls going out and sleeping with guys twice there age is common now. That is not a good thing.

Wow, and for me it's hard enough to find a nice 20 year old. :) Seriously though, I find race mixing to be much more of a problem. Out here, a lot of young attractive white girls love Puerto Rican tough guy/players. I'm sorry to say, but I find that far worse than a 17 year old white girl giving it to a 28 year old white guy.

Gott
March 27th, 2004, 05:55 PM
It is not so much the fact how they dress but how they act. And I do see alot of teeny boppers dressing like Gott described and acting like sluts too. 13 year old girls going out and sleeping with guys twice there age is common now. That is not a good thing.

They are supposed to be children not nymphets. That poor twisted thing they found bludgeoned and duct taped in a cellar in Colorado? 8 years old? Perm, heavy make up, the look of a jaded 30 year old woman, ready for any fuckin photo op...gimme a break. They should be playing with dolls and doing CHORES at 12.

The jew...chips away, one seemingly trivial point on top of each other...and then you wake up, a stranger in your own land watching your culture be genocided away. I see you point about Pol Pot.

We are the cadre...I wanna work in education after we win.

Heil, Kamerad.

White Knight
March 27th, 2004, 06:10 PM
Alot of the guys they fuck are wog portugese who look like puerto ricans and have the phoney tough guy act. LOL

I really can't stand the PR's here in NYC. They are far more dangerous then Mexicans. Why? Mexicans don't act tough, PR's do. Mexicans know they are ugly and can't score with white girls, while PR's not only try for white girls, they succeed. Out here, white girls think they're cute. :(

Robert W. Hoffman
March 27th, 2004, 06:16 PM
I've been WN since the 1991 Duke for Governor election, have my own forum board (back up next week), and post on numerous other WN forums. I know what I'm talking about, and understand the Jewish threat. With that being said, I'm a moderate WN and certainly not a Nazi. While Jews deserve their fair share of blame, not everything is their fault. I won't give Jews credit for white girls dressing slutty. Who cares? It's nice on the eye. Face it, we're all straight here. Do you really get offended seeing a tennie in short shorts and a tank top? How about seeing a girl in a thing on the beach? All I'll say is I'm all for it. I'm 31 and girls have never looked hotter. Young guys growing up are extremely lucky with these girls around. I wish they looked that good when I was a teen. Like my uncle said, "If your Aunt looked like these girls do today when I met her, our kids would be three years older."The jews "deserve a fair share of the blame?" How about damn near all of it? Name just one of the major ills destroying this country in which the jews are not the chief designers/promoters.

And who cares if prepubescent girls dress slutty? Can't speak for the entire membership here, but I'm willing to bet I'm not the only one here who thinks it's totally degenerate and unworthy of a self-respecting White society to let their young ones dress and act like nigger whores.

As far as getting offended if I see a tennie (sic) in short-shorts and a t-top goes, that all depends on just how old that particualr teenager is. If I see an 18-19 y.o. hottie swinging her cheeks while I'm driving down A1A here, there's just liable to be blue hair, hooked-noses, and walkers scattered all over the sidewalk by the time I regain control of my car. On the other hand, girls any younger than that - never mind the pre- teens you seem to be so enamored of - just don't turn me the fuck on. I think you really need to get a grip on the situation here buddy.

S.-O.
March 27th, 2004, 06:18 PM
when i was a kid we never saw young girls dressed nearly as provocatively as they do now. we also never saw open homosexuality, race mixing, and the constantly escalating battle of the sexes. but given 30 plus years of the jews media of so-called news and "entertainment"(Donahue,Springer,etc) we see these things and have become more than accustomed too them to the point of complacency. Given their current obbsession with younger and younger girls you can bet that decriminilizing "adult/child' sex will be the next issue after they have softened us up for a few more years. And the sad thing is that in the meantime they will blame the catholics and the treatment of their sex scandals as precedent for any new laws they come up with.

no, the picture is not pornographic but the jews media is working even on those posting here at VNN and those at resistance or the picture would definitly be deemed at least innappropriate!

Gott
March 27th, 2004, 06:28 PM
Yeah I would have to agree with you on that, Gott my aunt once told me that when she was 13 she was still playing with her dolls and kids stuff. Because that what a 13 year old is still a child. It is just as bad now with the 13 boys. Now they dress and act like niggers and smoke weed and do other drugs. When I was 13 I spent most of my free time camping out and buliding forts and stuff.

I would like to work in education as well since I was going to be a history teacher but could not stand all the anti white liberal trash that was being passed off for history. I would be fired on my first day.LOL I remeber my history text book was atlest 1/3 about how evil whitey is and the longest section in there was always about the holocaust.

Holy shit...I wanted to be a history teacher too. Ever read Celine's Nord? Went into film instead and took a long time to find out that it, like EVERYTHING else in this world, is permeated with jew filth.

Our day is coming.

White Knight
March 27th, 2004, 06:29 PM
The jews "deserve a fair share of the blame?" How about damn near all of it? Name just one of the major ills destroying this country in which the jews are not the chief designers/promoters.

And who cares if prepubescent girls dress slutty? Can't speak for the entire membership here, but I'm willing to bet I'm not the only one here who thinks it's totally degenerate and unworthy of a self-respecting White society to let their young ones dress and act like nigger whores.

As far as getting offended if I see a tennie (sic) in short-shorts and a t-top goes, that all depends on just how old that particualr teenager is. If I see an 18-19 y.o. hottie swinging her cheeks while I'm driving down A1A here, there's just liable to be blue hair, hooked-noses, and walkers scattered all over the sidewalk by the time I regain control of my car. On the other hand, girls any younger than that - never mind the pre- teens you seem to be so enamored of - just don't turn me the fuck on. I think you really need to get a grip on the situation here buddy.

I wasn't talking about pre-teens like the girl in the picture. Anyone who gets turned on by pre-teens is sick, unless that person is a pre-teen himself. That's disgusting, pre-teens aren't even devoloped. What I'm saying is I don't mind at all when an attractive young lady dresses a little skimpy, such as Britney Spears. Still young, but no doubt legal.

Robert W. Hoffman
March 27th, 2004, 06:34 PM
I wasn't talking about pre-teens like the girl in the picture. Anyone who gets turned on by pre-teens is sick, unless that person is a pre-teen himself. That's disgusting, pre-teens aren't even devoloped. What I'm saying is I don't mind at all when an attractive young lady dresses a little skimpy, such as Britney Spears. Still young, but no doubt legal.
Yeah.....Britney Spears. Another fine young role-model for our kids to ape. Well....at least you don't find the girls in that pic "hot", as some of the sicker fucks around here do. Give ya' credit for that.

Robert W. Hoffman
March 27th, 2004, 06:39 PM
when i was a kid we never saw young girls dressed nearly as provocatively as they do now. we also never saw open homosexuality, race mixing, and the constantly escalating battle of the sexes. but given 30 plus years of the jews media of so-called news and "entertainment"(Donahue,Springer,etc) we see these things and have become more than accustomed too them to the point of complacency. Given their current obbsession with younger and younger girls you can bet that decriminilizing "adult/child' sex will be the next issue after they have softened us up for a few more years. And the sad thing is that in the meantime they will blame the catholics and the treatment of their sex scandals as precedent for any new laws they come up with.

no, the picture is not pornographic but the jews media is working even on those posting here at VNN and those at resistance or the picture would definitly be deemed at least innappropriate!Bingo, buddy!

White Knight
March 27th, 2004, 06:47 PM
Yeah.....Britney Spears. Another fine young role-model for our kids to ape. Well....at least you don't find the girls in that pic "hot", as some of the sicker fucks around here do. Give ya' credit for that.

I was just using a random example of someone who is young (22?) and dresses slutty who I wouldn't mind looking at (although I'd rather touch, lol). She isn't a role model, true, but she does look good.

Lunarian
March 27th, 2004, 07:01 PM
Why does this thread bring to mind an ancient greek story about young beautifull women swimming in a lagoon, calling to the men in passing ships to come to them. Then when the men hear there call and change course, they smash into a submerged reef and everything goes to shit.

Maybe it's the way these two girls seem to be luering us, knowing that when we give in and come to them we will not be real men anymore. We will just be no more than modern day slaves, to the jewish sexual-machine.

Once we start letting promiscurity into the movement, we are letting ourselves be corrupted. Once we are corrupted, the jews win by default.

Robert W. Hoffman
March 27th, 2004, 07:08 PM
Why does this thread bring to mind an ancient greek story about young beautifull women swimming in a lagoon, calling to the men in passing ships to come to them. Then when the men hear there call and change course, they smash into a submerged reef and everything goes to shit.

Maybe it's the way these two girls seem to be luering us, knowing that when we give in and come to them we will not be real men anymore. We will just be no more than modern day slaves, to the jewish sexual-machine.

Once we start letting promiscurity into the movement, we are letting ourselves be corrupted. Once we are corrupted, the jews win by default.Yep - letting the Call of the Sirens lure us right up onto those jagged rocks.

Veering just a little off the subject - anyone here catch what the current head of P.E.T.A. said recently. Check this - that it's okay for humans to have sex with animals, as long as the animals were'nt hurt by such encounters. Nice, huh?

Robert James Fischer
March 27th, 2004, 07:27 PM
The only people who would call that picture pornography, are pedophiles themselves.

Nothing sexual even crossed my mind looking at the photo, and only a sicko would think otherwise.

Demonica
March 27th, 2004, 08:08 PM
I don't see kiddie porn. Possibly bad judgement, though. I don't think little girls should dress like that. I have 2 myself, 3 and 4, and I can guarantee they wouldn't walk out of the house like that when they are that age. My husband and I just had a conversation about this subject the other day in Dillard's. I saw what I thought were some cute kid's clothes and he said "You can't dress the girls like that with perverts all over the place." The clothes I were looking at weren't anything like those outfits, they were shorts and tank tops. It's a shame to have to think like that but our children's safety is the most important thing to consider. I showed my husband this picture just to see what he thought of it and he said it was appalling. They should consider the possibility that some sick fuck could see that picture and have sexual thoughts, though. Another couple of kids who seem to attract pedos are the Olsen twins. I hear they have a lot of weird websites devoted to them.

Georgie
March 27th, 2004, 08:28 PM
Another couple of kids who seem to attract pedos are the Olsen twins. I hear they have a lot of weird websites devoted to them.

I'm not sure how old the girls are and if this applies and anymore. But a while ago I had heard of a website which had a "count down" until the girls turned 18. You can just use your imagination from then.

EDIT: Just so no one gets confused, I'm referring to the Olsen twins with this post not the picture in question.

Old White Goat
March 27th, 2004, 08:33 PM
Hell, those mini-skirts back in the mid-1960's would be considered full length evening gowns next to those on them kids.


THe mother of those two kids is a slut who hops from bed to bed from what Ive read here, and no doubt those two kids will defect to the multiculturalism when they turn 16 and can drive. They will cash in and write a book on how they were held hostage in a racist cult called the N/A.

Georgie
March 27th, 2004, 08:38 PM
and no doubt those two kids will defect to the multiculturalism when they turn 16 and can drive. They will cash in and write a book on how they were held hostage in a racist cult called the N/A.

That would be pretty sad. But considering in the times we live in, I honestly WOULD NOT be surprised if something like that happened.

White Knight
March 27th, 2004, 08:49 PM
Another couple of kids who seem to attract pedos are the Olsen twins. I hear they have a lot of weird websites devoted to them.

I don't think you can compare the Olson Twins to those little girls in that pic, who are like only 11 or so. Personally, I love the Olsons. I know it's hard to understand, because you are a woman, and women don't like high school boys, but every straight guy has a thing for younger girls like these two hotties:

http://www.chasebrown.com/mka.jpg

White Knight
March 27th, 2004, 08:51 PM
I'm not sure how old the girls are and if this applies and anymore. But a while ago I had heard of a website which had a "count down" until the girls turned 18. You can just use your imagination from then.

EDIT: Just so no one gets confused, I'm referring to the Olsen twins with this post not the picture in question.


http://www.chasebrown.com/olson.htm

Demonica
March 27th, 2004, 08:53 PM
I'm not sure how old the girls are and if this applies and anymore. But a while ago I had heard of a website which had a "count down" until the girls turned 18. You can just use your imagination from then.

EDIT: Just so no one gets confused, I'm referring to the Olsen twins with this post not the picture in question.

That's the exact site I was referring to. Very disturbing. My ex knew a Veitnam Vet who married a VERY young asian girl, seems to me she was around 13 or so, possibly older. Anyway, after a short time she died (I forget how) and the guy was still attracted to teenagers. This man is like 60 now, with Olsen Twins calenders and posters in his house. If he saw that NA poster who knows what he would be thinking? I would NEVER want any perv thinking of my girls like that for ANY reason or amount of money.

Demonica
March 27th, 2004, 08:56 PM
http://www.chasebrown.com/olson.htm

--Olson Twins Playboy type legality countdown page---

When I thought it was just counting the days until they turned "legal" it was bad enough.

Old White Goat
March 27th, 2004, 08:59 PM
I don't think you can compare the Olson Twins to those little girls in that pic, who are like only 11 or so. Personally, I love the Olsons. I know it's hard to understand, because you are a woman, and women don't like high school boys, but every straight guy has a thing for younger girls like these two hotties:

http://www.chasebrown.com/mka.jpgMy jew detector or Kike'r Counter is crackling on those two.

http://www.digitalvideo.com/misc/geiger/detdg7.jpg

diabloblanco92
March 27th, 2004, 09:04 PM
Is this Bruce Springsteen before or after the plastic surgery?

LOL, its probably Bruce Springsteen after his Gay Nigger lover and band mate "Big Man " Clarance Clemmons bitchslapped him, LOL

diablo

Demonica
March 27th, 2004, 09:05 PM
I don't think you can compare the Olson Twins to those little girls in that pic, who are like only 11 or so. Personally, I love the Olsons. I know it's hard to understand, because you are a woman, and women don't like high school boys, but every straight guy has a thing for younger girls like these two hotties:

http://www.chasebrown.com/mka.jpg

Fair enough, White Knight, but you couldn't understand how the parent of two little girls would look at that. What if they were your daughters? All I am saying is both seem to encourage pedophilic ideas, maybe not even intentionally. The image of some 60 yr old man sitting in his basement checking that site daily and fantasizing.....with the date marked on his calendar....it's just disgusting. When you have kids you'll see what I mean. NOTHING should ever be done to encourage such ideas or make them seem in the least way acceptable.

Robert W. Hoffman
March 27th, 2004, 09:08 PM
'Scuse mah blak ass fo' bein' ig'nint, but.....who am da' hell ahr dese Oson tweens? Dey sho' nuff be lookin' good to dese jaundice eyeboll's! Hot Day-um!

White Knight
March 27th, 2004, 09:13 PM
My jew detector is crackling on those two.

Aww, shut up Old Semitic Jew. Perhaps you looked in the mirror instead. You wouldn't know Aryan beauty like these girls have if they bit you.

White Knight
March 27th, 2004, 09:17 PM
Fair enough, White Knight, but you couldn't understand how the parent of two little girls would look at that. What if they were your daughters? All I am saying is both seem to encourage pedophilic ideas, maybe not even intentionally. The image of some 60 yr old man sitting in his basement checking that site daily and fantasizing.....with the date marked on his calendar....it's just disgusting. When you have kids you'll see what I mean. NOTHING should ever be done to encourage such ideas or make them seem in the least way acceptable.

Who are the little girls? If you are talking about the two in the NA picture, I agree with you 100%. If you are talking about the Olsons, I couldn't disagree more. I'm sorry, but there's a huge difference between 11 year olds who aren't developed and 17 1/2 year olds likes the Olsens. Would I want older men fantasizing about my 16 year old daughter if I had one? Hell no, but there's nothing that can be done to stop it.

diabloblanco92
March 27th, 2004, 09:18 PM
What sort of "man" kills himself with SLEEPING PILLS? That's what women do to commit suicide.

He could have had himself strapped into an electric wheelchair loaded with explosives, and made himself useful.




"Fight for the race"? That would be funny if it weren't patently ridiculous.

Gluteus Maximus Hale was clever enough to get through Jew School, but not smart enough to avoid surveillance.




Because he was too weak to fight in the field, Hitler was faced with capture and caging by the Jew-Bolsheviks, or suicide. He chose a MAN'S suicide with a pistol, and subsequent burning of his body, so the Bolsheviks couldn't put him in a circus display like Lenin.
Got to agree with you on one thing there. If it becomes too much and you decide to go into the Big Sleep, why go alone?
(NOTE TO MR ISADORE TINKELBAUM, ADL MONITOR..DONT BOTHER TO GO TO THE FEDS WITH THAT ONE, SINCE IM NOT SUICIDAL.IN THE MEAN TIME YOU ARE CORDIALLY INVITED TO GO FUCK AN APE. WHATS THAT? YOU WANT ME TO STOP TALKING ABOUT YOUR WIFE THAT WAY?) LOL

diablo

heaven above
March 27th, 2004, 09:54 PM
We are asking our Ladies about this pic. My better half says 'it is over the borderline'. I respect our womens views.

White Knight
March 28th, 2004, 04:04 AM
Most of you guys on this forum are shit, plain and simple. Anyone who would not call the Olsons fully white deserves to rot in hell. You people raise your right hand to Hitler, who is far less Aryan then these two beauties. You all can rot for all I care. Hail victory!

Mike Jahn
March 28th, 2004, 04:47 AM
So it appears I'm not the only one who does not find them to be"hotties"

I have always noticed that there is something especially strange about the shape of their noses. They have a very wide face with a totally flattened nigger nose. Maybe norcal is right, possibly a small percentage of negroid in the past.

Mike Jahn
March 28th, 2004, 04:49 AM
Most of you guys on this forum are shit, plain and simple. Anyone who would not call the Olsons fully white deserves to rot in hell. You people raise your right hand to Hitler, who is far less Aryan then these two beauties. You all can rot for all I care. Hail victory!

Dude, you need to raise your standards, these girls have NEVER been hot. I've seen hotter women at the mall.

MuKau
March 28th, 2004, 05:11 AM
they look like sluts with too much jew powder on.


http://cache.corbis.com/THUMBS/TDIR1365/X00224_9.JPG

Old White Goat
March 28th, 2004, 09:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by White Knight
Most of you guys on this forum are shit, plain and simple. Anyone who would not call the Olsons fully white deserves to rot in hell. You people raise your right hand to Hitler, who is far less Aryan then these two beauties. You all can rot for all I care. Hail victory!

Dude, you need to raise your standards, these girls have NEVER been hot. I've seen hotter women at the mall.

Anything that isnt a nigger straight outta africa, is whiter to "White" Knight. See his pic: http://vnnforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=364

Bonnie P.
March 28th, 2004, 11:24 AM
Would I want older men fantasizing about my 16 year old daughter if I had one? Hell no, but there's nothing that can be done to stop it.

Nothing can be done to stop it? :confused: Not letting her dress/act/pose for pictures in sexually suggestive ways would do a lot to prevent it!

diabloblanco92
March 28th, 2004, 01:58 PM
Most of you guys on this forum are shit, plain and simple. Anyone who would not call the Olsons fully white deserves to rot in hell. You people raise your right hand to Hitler, who is far less Aryan then these two beauties. You all can rot for all I care. Hail victory!

HOLY JESUS THESE FUCKING WOMAN HATING GAY "NAZI" POS'S ARE NOW CALLING THE OLSEN SISTERS NON-WHITE??????????????????
CAN ANYONE TAKE THIS DREK SERIOUSLY AFTER THIS?????????.
THEY ARE JUST RECRUITERS FOR LEROY! GIVE EM THE STAKE. HAIL LORD VLAD!

1488666!

diablo

diabloblanco92
March 28th, 2004, 02:02 PM
they look like sluts with too much jew powder on.


http://cache.corbis.com/THUMBS/TDIR1365/X00224_9.JPG

"HOLY SHIT!" Exclaims Diablo, as he picks the remains of the glass cover of his exploded Gaydar set from his blood drenched forehead!

LOL

diablo

White Will
March 28th, 2004, 02:05 PM
[QUOTE=norcalnative1971] Mary-Kate is dating Kike Max Winkler, Henry's son. Ashley is dating a Kike by the name of Matt Kaplan.

Even a 13-year old friend of mine knew these facts. She excitedly called me up a couple of weeks ago and told me about the Winkler/Kaplan connections of these corrupted strumpets. Don't think all our kids are lost. Talk to them! Teach them about the Jew and how to be apart from the herd.

As for Lamb and Lynx Gaede appearing in what some here consider an inappropriate pose on the cover of RESISTANCE magazine, one must understand that their mom is the quintessential stage mother. When I see this picture of L&L I think of Brook Shields's mom pushing her pre-pubescent daughter to pose provocatively, semi-nude, in jeans ads for the Jew/queer Calvin Klein a few years back. April Gaede knows how to manipulate a man to get what she wants -- some men, that is, and for a while, anyway -- especially a bed-hopper like Erich Gliebe. That cover picture was as carefully posed as are big department store ads, ads that are actually selling maximum interacial participation by the careful choice and unnatural juxtaposition of their models.

Dr. Pierce had an excellent two-part ADV expose a couple of years ago documenting how the Jewish entertainment industry, using the movies and music of artists like Madonna, Pink, Britney Spears, Christine Aguilara and the Olson twins, push the fashion trends of the Jew-owned garment/fashion industry (Old Navy, the GAP, Calvin Klein, Abercrombie Fitch, or the United colors of Benneton, to name a few) and the Jew-owned face-paint industry (Revlon, Estee Lauder, Max Factor, etc., etc) onto impressionable White girls.

White people do not need these Jews any more than we need niggers. They need us!

Someone on this thread (White Knight?) stated matter-of-factly that Ben Klassen was a Jew and a homosexual. Another chimed in that Klassen had a taste for Skinhead boys. These are deliberate, malicious lies originated by professional smear artist and political saboteur Harold Covington, then repeated incessantly by Covington for 15 years, picked up and repeated again by useful idiots, usually Xians, in places like VNN Forum. The fact is, I sued Covington for libel in 1996 for spreading similar lies about me and was awarded a $110,088 Final Monetary Judgment by the court here in my hometown. With interest, Covington now owes me over $160,000. Of course, that's from the REAL world, not this silly cyber world where frauds like Covington are in their element.

Librarian
March 28th, 2004, 02:17 PM
Well, I see that I've come to this thread very late, but ...

The magazine cover is not pornography as such, but it's sick. And, I've no doubt, deliberately so.

Caradoc
March 28th, 2004, 03:24 PM
How can this be allowed? The NA are absolutely super, and totaly above criticism. You are all horrid horrid people!

White Knight
March 28th, 2004, 03:55 PM
Fuck you. Oh, wait, your hand already did that!

Ever since the Olsen sluts* entered this thread, I've been combing the web for evidence of their ethnicity and/or other personal facts. So far, three stand out:

1) These Southern California natives selected JEW YORK University for their college? Who in their right mind wants to go to JEW YORK for school -- but Jews?

2) They played a Jewish daughter ("Michelle Tanner") in Full House. Since when do goyim play Jews?

3) Best of all, Mary-Kate is dating Kike Max Winkler, Henry's son. Ashley is dating a Kike by the name of Matt Kaplan. (sorry, you pathetic fuck, they prefer Kosher dick)

I'm going to ignore your attacks, because when I wrote that, I was still very drunk. Now, to address your points:

1) NYU is a pretty good school that isn't easy to get into. I knew a few kids who went there, and none were Jews. Find out the actual percentage of Jews there and get back to me.

2) Were the Tanners supposed to be Jewish? I knew Joey's character was supposed to be Jewish, but not the Tanners. However, even if you're right, big deal. DJ, played by Candice Kameron (sister of Kirk), is not Jewish, you your point is invalid.

3) Now you're being silly. You don't have to be a Jew to date one.
Excepting their fake blond hair, these chimp-faced whores* have far less Nordic features than Hitler; flattish nose, broad face, plastic-looking lips, oddly-shaped (for an Aryan) eyes.

Look at them when they were 3. They always had light hair. Face it, if they were Jews, they surely would be listed on Joohoo.

* Their whoredom was proven by their voluntary pose on the cover of Jewish-owned Rolling Stone: "America's Favorite Fantasy."

You mean it isn't every males fantasy? You would turn them down? I thought you were straight?

Considering your attitude is PART OF THE PROBLEM, what sort of "victory" are you aiming for?

How is my attitude part of the problem? I would like a WN president as much as anyone else.

White Knight
March 28th, 2004, 03:57 PM
they look like sluts with too much jew powder on.

So now anyone who wears makeup is a Jew? That sucks for me, since I like makup on a girl.

White Knight
March 28th, 2004, 03:58 PM
Oh my Gods, he's a fucking SPIC!

Umm, no. I guess anyone darker than Dolpg Lungren is a spic in your little hick town.

White Knight
March 28th, 2004, 03:59 PM
Nothing can be done to stop it? :confused: Not letting her dress/act/pose for pictures in sexually suggestive ways would do a lot to prevent it!

Yeah, that would be a start. But by the time I have a 15 yer old daqughter, it will be 2019 at the earliest. God knows how the trend will be then.

White Will
March 28th, 2004, 05:04 PM
...Actually, I cited both.

I'm no fan of the fat, Jewish-looking pig named Harold Covington. However, I'm also no fan of the idiot savants of the "Church of the Creator," including their megalomaniac founder, Klassen. I admit I have no solid evidence Klassen was a homosexual Jew, but, based on his writings and actions, my intuition says he was of Semitic mind.

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Your intuition is wrong, and I don't believe you know very much about either Klassen's writings or his actions. It's quite all right to criticize someone you disagree with, even to call them names like megalomanic -- that is not defamation -- but it is not all right to repeat the deliberate, malicious "Jewish pederast" libels of a dedicated White man like Klassen by a worm like Covington just because you don't care much for the religion Klassen founded for Whites. BTW, what religion, if any, do you propose would be best for the "racial salvation," as you call it, of White folks? You can take this to the White religion section of this forum where it belongs, if you choose to answer me.

The reason you do not have any "solid evidence" of Klassen's being a Jewish queer/child molester is because there is none; he was neither. You have been duped, unwittingly, I'm sure, into repeating the lies of the master liar, Harold "Big Lie" Covington. That's why I used the term "useful idiot" in describing your use of unsubstantiated, in fact, totally baseless fabrications against a man who is dead; a man who you never knew, and whose work you are not very familiar with. I notice you avoided addressing the fact that I proved Covington is an out-of-control, pathological liar in a court of law. It's not easy to prevail in a libel case against a publisher, which is what Covington styles himself, due to the vaunted American freedom of the press, but I did. He made it easy for me because the court could see how outrageous Tubby's lies were before he ran like a rabbit rather than face the music. It wasn't my burden in Williams v. Covington to prove that I'm not a queer or an arsonist; or a thief, or a wife-beater, or a FBI Special Agent, or a serial murderer, or, get this, "John Doe#2" of OKC bombing fame -- all of which Covington claimed I was in his countless publications and all over the internet. Court was Covington's chance to prove his claims against me, the accused target of his smears, but he couldn't because his claim that I'm "John Doe#2" and all that other crap is no more valid than are his claims that Klassen was a "Jewish pederast" or that Klassen's Church was a "sodomy cult." You can either believe me, NorCalnative, or you can keep on repeating the lies of a convicted smear artist for which you have no "solid evidence."
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"Pontifex Maximus"? Only a delusional pompous ass would name himself that.

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Oh, you mean a man like Julius Caesar? He was the original PM, you know. Klassen, like Caesar, believed in the Maximal Leader concept, or the "Leadership Principle," where the man at the top is responsible for the welfare of his people. Do you? The fact that Julius Caesar was the head of both the State and the Church is lost on folks who have come to believe in the Jewish poison that Church & State must be separate (except in Israel, of course). Klassen saw PM Caesar's example as part of a natural formula for a harmoniously organized White society. Like I said earlier, Klassen liked to draw lessons from our successes through history and his favorite historical period, when Whites ruled and created the greatest civilizations, was the Classical Age of Greece and Rome. He expected Jews and other known enemies like the certified nutcase Covington to ridicule his ideas. No matter your opinion of Klassen or his followers you should know better than to join in that repudiated chorus of lies henceforth.
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I base my perspective of Klassen and "Creativity" on what they have done -- or shall I say, not done -- for our Race. Far from advancing any form of racial salvation, "Creativity" has attracted the lowest of the lows (excepting Christian Identity), and has been the source of the worst propaganda coups for the Enemy. With "friends" like the Creators, ZOG hardly has to create enemies for us.

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Bullshit. What Klassen's revolutionary ideas attracted, besides hard-core Jew-fighters, was incredible persecution from every quarter, including from JOG, who saw fit to eventually infiltrate Hale's outfit with federal agent provocateurs in order to set him up and bring him down. It's ideas that Klassen left us that are important, not who he managed to attract, or the fact that the Jew and your compliant government put his Church out of business because it's "hateful." Your venom is misdirected.

I take it that you were born in 1971, Norcalnative. That's the year Bernhardt Klassen wrote his classic _Nature's Eternal Religion_, publishing it in 1972. You'd do well to get your hands on a copy and read it to appreciate just how far ahead of his time Klassen was before you were even born.

Sommer
March 28th, 2004, 05:45 PM
As for Lamb and Lynx Gaede appearing in

Lamb and Lynx??


Who in their right mind would give those names to their children?

Robert W. Hoffman
March 28th, 2004, 06:57 PM
Lamb and Lynx??


Who in their right mind would give those names to their children?
Bitch must be a P.E.T.A. member.

BTW - that's People Eating Tasty Animals, for you ig'nint fuckers out there.

Mike Jahn
March 28th, 2004, 06:57 PM
After seeing your photo, it's not only your attitude that is part of the problem, but your very existence. As you are not an Aryan, it is of course natural that the Olsen sluts are the epitome of what you dream about.[/SIZE]

And his tongue piercing seems to indicate that he has sucked his fair share of mud cock.

Bonnie P.
March 28th, 2004, 09:06 PM
Yeah, that would be a start. But by the time I have a 15 yer old daqughter, it will be 2019 at the earliest. God knows how the trend will be then.

And she had better keep up with the jewish-media inspired trends! We all know how important that is! :rolleyes:

White Will
March 28th, 2004, 09:15 PM
Performance, not ideas, count. His "church" was and is a failure. His two most notable followers, George Burdi and Matt Hale, both questionably Aryan, have failed our Race. One defected to miscegenation, and one got his ass locked up because he was stupid. Dr. Pierce lasted for decades without getting himself in prison. Hale didn't last one.




Klassen's writings are crap. I have indeed read his "Nature's Eternal Religion" and "The White [sic] Man's Bible." Quite un-original. NER is online here: http://www.overthrow.com/creator/ner/ner.asp

The real "Nature's Eternal Religion" was written about and practiced in an effective manner by the Great Man, Adolf Hitler. Instead of building upon the works of the Great Man, the megalomaniac Klassen founded a self-aggrandizing "religion."

Again, performance, not ideas, count. Hitler, the Man Against Time, with the help of his people, held off the World for years, and His Words stand as true today as they did in 1925, because they are based on Natural Fact. Klassen will rightly fade into obscurity in the next few decades. Hitler will be remembered for all time, even by His enemies.

So, I take it that your point is that you'll continue to repeat what you've been saying about Klassen, that you think he's he was a Jewish pederast, though, admittedly, you have absolutely no "solid evidence" of such? You dont seem to have the capacity to admit you have been wrong about something. You simply change the subject and move on. Fine. Noted.

Demonica
March 28th, 2004, 10:10 PM
Nothing can be done to stop it? :confused: Not letting her dress/act/pose for pictures in sexually suggestive ways would do a lot to prevent it!

My thoughts exactly.

LindaLou
March 29th, 2004, 02:47 AM
Fuck you, troll. That pic reminds me of something Calvin Klein would've used in an ad campaign subliminally endorsing kiddie porn. Both these girls were clothed in those ultra-short skirts for a reason. And have you noticed the somewhat suggestive poses? Granted, it's not child pornography - but I'm sure a roomful of grown men reviewing that pic for a magazine cover could'nt have missed the sexual undertones of such a photo. Stupid bitch.



I agree with you!
When I was that age I wore tights.......but I sure as hell didn't wear mini SKIRTS with them and POSE in a stance such as this.....

Kind Lampshade Maker
March 29th, 2004, 05:51 AM
LOL, its probably Bruce Springsteen after his Gay Nigger lover and band mate "Big Man " Clarance Clemmons bitchslapped him, LOL

diablo
LOL, Yeah, her facelift was performed by Dr. Hardlove.
Hey White women, this is how Ballers treat their houghs

Werwolf
March 29th, 2004, 07:43 AM
Klassen didnt have any revolutionary ideas, first of all. His books were awful and derivative. And the COTC wasnt put out of buisness for being "hateful", it was put out of buisness because Hale was too stupid to get it copyrighted in the first place, and then lied about it to his followers (the books didnt have to be "destroyed" and the religion was never "banned") and THEN, TELLS SOMEONE TO KILL A JUDGE, WHO WAS NOT ONLY AN INFORMER FOR FOUR YEARS, BUT WAS HIS HEAD OF SECURITY!

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Bullshit. What Klassen's revolutionary ideas attracted, besides hard-core Jew-fighters, was incredible persecution from every quarter, including from JOG, who saw fit to eventually infiltrate Hale's outfit with federal agent provocateurs in order to set him up and bring him down. It's ideas that Klassen left us that are important, not who he managed to attract, or the fact that the Jew and your compliant government put his Church out of business because it's "hateful." Your venom is misdirected.

I take it that you were born in 1971, Norcalnative. That's the year Bernhardt Klassen wrote his classic _Nature's Eternal Religion_, publishing it in 1972. You'd do well to get your hands on a copy and read it to appreciate just how far ahead of his time Klassen was before you were even born.

Whirlwind
March 29th, 2004, 09:14 AM
A guy trying for years to be accepted to the bar, still trying, instructs another to kill a Fed. judge? A man who has preached non-violent means ad nauseum? If the case against him was a slam-dunk, he would have been show trialed and jailed for two lifetimes by now.

White Will
March 29th, 2004, 09:34 AM
And exactly what is your interest in Klassen?

I hate lies and I hate liars, especially from those posing as White activists. That's my interest. I will defend the targets of smear artists and when I know them to be innocent, and I will expose the perpetrators. What's your game?

I moved to Otto, NC, and worked and lived with Klassen for 15 months back in 1988-1989 as his "Hasta Primus (First Spear)" and editor of his monthly tabloid, Racial Loyalty. I did this on this on the recommendation of my friend Tom Metzger, who had told me that if he had one wish for his son John, who was a Reverend in Klassen's Church of the Creator. I knew Klassen's wife of 45 years, his daughter and son-in-law and grandchildren. The malicious lies you repeated here and still want to hold because you've seen no proof that Klassen was in fact a straight heterosexual are still lies. Maybe you'd like for me to put you in touch with Klassen's daughter, Kim, or Ben's grandchildren so you can reveal to them that their patriarch was really a Jewish child molester. Don't you think they should know, Mr. Norcalnative1971?
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I notice you ignore everything I said about him in relation to the Great Man. You avoid my points made presumably because you have nothing to offer in Klassen's defense. Why do you celebrate failure in the person of Klassen and in the ideology of "Creativity"?

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"The Great Man" is not the topic. You say you've read Klassen's books so you already know Klassen's position on Mr. Hitler.
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I don't need to repeat the rumor that Klassen was a homosexual Jew. His work and actions speak enough of who and what he was that unsubstantiated rumors are not needed. I'm not going to "admit I'm wrong" about him being a homosexual Jew, since I don't know I am wrong about it, although I'll avoid making any further claims until I have better evidence.

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Cool. Henceforth I'll know how to deal with you. Unfortunately, until you can prove otherwise, or at least come off your silly position regarding Klassen's ethnicity and sexual orientation, I'll be telling everyone I meet here that Mr. Norcalnative1971 is a Jewish child rapist. You understand, I'm sure.

Caradoc
March 29th, 2004, 12:50 PM
The only thing wrong with those pictures. Are that they are of girls.
My mother always warned me about them. They are rude and horrid.
That is why I have always prefered boys. And men too. And did I
mention beards and moustaches? Facial hair makes me so horny.
Oh Don! I love you Don!!

White Flag
March 29th, 2004, 01:03 PM
Caradoc how glued is your mouth to Roper's ass?

Tom88
March 29th, 2004, 01:19 PM
Wow! I'm surprised you could pry your hands away from Erich's schlong long enough to type that, white flag.

Just my 2 cents, anyone who doesn't see anything wrong with that photo is totally devoid of what little ideology is left in the movement. An adult white woman's body is beautiful, and an art form. But that wreaks of jewish child-flesh-peddlers, al la MTV or Nickelodeon. Pure Filth. Dr. Pierce, although he appreciated the female form a great deal. And I mean a GREAT Deal, would never have approved of 11 year olds appearing in anything like that on any publication put out by the NA. While they do appear to be some sort of parody of skin girls, You can tell that nor they, or their mother have any real idea about skin fashion. Note the crossed while laces vs. ladders. Also note that no self respecting byrd, that goes after the old school look, would ever wear a button down like that, without a sweater vest, or something of that sort. Those are just young kids, it's good that they want to make music for our movement, but at 11, they should be wearing more traditional european garb if that's what they're going for.
Just more evidence of a decaying N/A that's nothing but a carcass with maggots devouring what's left of it's insides. It's a shell now. No ideology, No guts. Move on.

-Tom
Caradoc how glued is your mouth to Roper's ass?

White Will
March 29th, 2004, 01:49 PM
I don't play games.[/SIZE]

Sure you do; you're just not very good at it. You swagger onto racist internet forums using an alias and calling honorable people, known entities who use their real names and who you know little about, queers and Jews and pederasts.

Ah, now I understand. Calling Klassen and his "religion" a failure implies YOU are a failure.

Do I hit too close to home?

That's quite a leap, sonny. After I worked for Klassen I was invited to work with Dr. Pierce for two years as NA's first Membership Coordinator. By your logic I'm also a failure because the White racial religion that Dr. Pierce founded, Cosmotheism, has "failed" to catch on. Would I be a success in your eyes if I converted to a "successful" religion? I want to be successful like you. What is your religion? Don't tell me you're a Xian.

I'm anxious to hear about all of YOUR successes. It sounds to me as if you aspire to be a maximal leader yourself. I'll have to know a little more about you, though, before I decide to follow you anywhere. I can probably bring along a lot of former followers of the failed Cosmotheism and Creativity movements, but you probably wouldn't want such a bunch of proven failures, huh?

OK, fine. I withdraw any claim or implication of Klassen being either Jewish or homosexual. I will, however, continue my research to determine if this is a Covington smear, or there is actually more to it.

Yeah, you keep on researching, Dicknose. Like I said, I'll put you in direct touch with Ben Klassen's daughter and grandchildren. They can remove the doubts you have, then you can go after Covington for tricking you into spreading his poison for him.

I never said he was a child molestor.

Yes you did. You said it was you who claimed earlier on this thread that Klassen had a taste for young Skinheads. You're the researcher, so I'll leave it to you to go back and find where you admitted to that. I take young Skinheads to mean older children as opposed to little kiddies. Your source for all this shit, Harold Covington, has claimed "Benny Buttfuck," as he likes to refer to Klassen (he's a big game-player, too, you see), anally raped a number of young Skinhead boys, even making up names for them and giving all sorts of sordid details of the experiences. I proved in a court of law that none of these so-called boys ever even existed.

And again, you sidestep the points made.

Uh huh. The only point I'm addressing here with you is your spreading of filthy lies that originate from your mentor, Harold Covington. You did it -- you've been called on it -- and now everybody's watching you squirm and backtrack and double talk and deflect your own easily verifiable foul deed onto others.

You can do what you want. Now I know why you spent so much time arguing with Covington...you think just like him, and enjoy the tactics he uses.

I do not argue with Covington. I expose him and neutralize his effect. Covington knows nothing but the lie and depends on uncritical, suggestible fools to spread those lies for them. You do not enjoy the fact that everybody here now knows that you are a useful idiot for Harold "Big Lie" Covington. I understand.

Good luck in your research, numnuts. Let us know what you find out.

Will White Williams - NC

Librarian
March 29th, 2004, 01:50 PM
... anyone who doesn't see anything wrong with that photo is totally devoid of what little ideology is left in the movement ...

I'd go further. Anyone who claims to see nothing wrong with that cover should be investigated.

White Flag
March 29th, 2004, 02:06 PM
"Wow! I'm surprised you could pry your hands away from Erich's schlong long enough to type that, white flag."

I support merely a few active members, the leadership of NA is self-destructive. I'm telling you how I feel it is.

White Flag
March 29th, 2004, 02:08 PM
"... anyone who doesn't see anything wrong with that photo is totally devoid of what little ideology is left in the movement .."

What do you know about Ideology? American WN Ideology is long gone, and is near death with all the fucktards and gossip net nazi's running their mouths.

Tom88
March 29th, 2004, 03:16 PM
I agree with you there. There's still good people in the NA, I have family and old friends that still pay their dues, for whatever reason. White Revolution in no way endorses that fucker, cardoc or whatever. He's a simple parody. You're evidence enough that you don't have to be a WR member in order to distrust, and/or hate the leadership of the NA. As far as your other remark, I believe I touched upon that in my first post.

-Tom



I support merely a few active members, the leadership of NA is self-destructive. I'm telling you how I feel it is.

Antiochus Epiphanes
March 29th, 2004, 03:51 PM
The sexual objectification of the girls in this cover I acknowledge but think has overstated in the title of this thread. What concerns me more than that however, is the instrumental objectification of them. By "instrumental" I mean, using them for the ends of the magazine without prudent regard for the risks to them as children. WN involvement brings many risks and hazards and pains. I want my kids to have sound racial instincts, do their part for their people. But I would never want to paint a big target on them at such a tender age by running them on the cover of this particular "magazine" which has both many dubious folk in the readership and also some dubious content. I think White Will's comment about somebody being the "stage mother" type is probably true and that shines through in the interview printed in the magazine, which I have seen and read. Interestingly, the pictures printed alongside the interview are more wholesome and would certainly have been more appropriate for the cover.

I dont think this particular incident will miss the eye of the antis. Known pervert Sleaze Dees will probably can this and run and rerun it many a time before the end of the day. Shame on Gleebe for giving them fodder by running this questionable cover.

Back to what's right for the kids. It seems to me NA has had a distinct pattern of suing people and throwing them away. I understand they are not responsible for bailing every member out of every member's personal problems, but this cover suggests to me that the trend spotted by others based on past incidents continues.

April
March 29th, 2004, 05:46 PM
"I believe it says an enormous amount about you that you advanced in neither the Church of the Creator NOR the National Alliance. Your "loose cannon" personality apparently prevents you from achieving anything of a lasting & valuable nature." quote by NORCALNATIVE 1971 about WhiteWill

Norcalnative1971,

You sir, are obvious ignorant of the FACT that Will Williams was not only the Hastas Primas of the COTC under Klassen and in charge of his newsletter, but also a regional leader in the NA until HE himself resigned that position.

How do you figure that those positions weren't "advanced". He was right hand man to Klassen and a close friend and confidant of Dr Pierce as well.

As far as achieving anything of a lasting nature, how then do you explain the fact that he is known by virtually every White Nationalist of any record, regardless of organization as well as a sworn enemy of Morris Dees. I bet Dees doesnt even know you exist.

SheWolf

White Will
March 29th, 2004, 06:06 PM
The sexual objectification of the girls in this cover I acknowledge but think has overstated in the title of this thread. What concerns me more than that however, is the instrumental objectification of them. By "instrumental" I mean, using them for the ends of the magazine without prudent regard for the risks to them as children. WN involvement brings many risks and hazards and pains. I want my kids to have sound racial instincts, do their part for their people. But I would never want to paint a big target on them at such a tender age by running them on the cover of this particular "magazine" which has both many dubious folk in the readership and also some dubious content. I think White Will's comment about somebody being the "stage mother" type is probably true and that shines through in the interview printed in the magazine, which I have seen and read. Interestingly, the pictures printed alongside the interview are more wholesome and would certainly have been more appropriate for the cover.

I dont think this particular incident will miss the eye of the antis. Known pervert Sleaze Dees will probably can this and run and rerun it many a time before the end of the day. Shame on Gleebe for giving them fodder by running this questionable cover.

Back to what's right for the kids. It seems to me NA has had a distinct pattern of suing people and throwing them away. I understand they are not responsible for bailing every member out of every member's personal problems, but this cover suggests to me that the trend spotted by others based on past incidents continues.

You must have made a transpositional finger error when you wrote "suing people" above. Exploitation is the better word that I think you and I would agree on in this matter, AE. Working for low pay or as an unpaid volunteer goes with working for our people at this point so will always draw the charge against our leaders that we activists are being "used" by them. Using consenting adults and using children are different matters altogether. There was a reason Dr. Pierce made 18 the minimum age for membership and participation in the Alliance: it's a hard line adult organization and he didn't want to even give the appearance that NA exploits children. Though RESISTANCE magazine is geared for White youth in their late teens and twenties, pre-pubescent girls posd as L&L are on this last cover is not appropriate. But then I've always thought that much about RESISTANCE magazine is inappropriate for White teens. Gaede's girls are cute and talented and she lives through them vicariously as most stage mothers do. A responsible Alliance Chairman would recognize the pitfalls of allowing the organization to be used by a pushy stage mother to advance her personal goals.

White Will
March 29th, 2004, 06:25 PM
[crap from Will Williams deleted]

I see you still can't quote on this board properly.

I'm not going to argue with you anymore. You're obviously nothing but an agitator. You have quite a reputation in the so-called "movement."

I believe it says an enormous amount about you that you advanced in neither the Church of the Creator NOR the National Alliance. Your "loose cannon" personality apparently prevents you from achieving anything of a lasting & valuable nature.

Please stick to your artwork, which you are very good at.

Whoa there, Bub! You can't get off that easy. I don't take advice from anonymous know-it-alls who are afraid people might find out who they are. You act like you know me, or something. Have we met, or are you just getting your opinions of me from your usual A-1 sources?

You claim to be familiar with my art, but I doubt that. You have me pegged as a loose cannon agitator. I'm certainly an agitator. I guess that since I'm unaffiliated with any organizations now I'll be labeled as such by my detractors, real and anonymous, like you. I like to think I just keep folks honest. You can't see that, but that's OK, nobody can see you, either, Mr. Norcalnative1971.

White Will
March 29th, 2004, 07:04 PM
Will,

It was best not to enter in discussion with NorCal71, he's far too prejudiced on tBen Klassen. And just about all the smears originate with Covington and then recycled by those who've heard a variant of that message. Covington's approach is a typical - dare I say 'Jewish' tactic:- repeat a lie enough times until it becomes an accepted fact.

Norcal can critique Klassen and the trappings of his religion, but the man deserves credit for starting an explicity anti-christian movement when Christianity was the only game in town. He also wrote many books, and while I don't particularly care for the WMB and NER, I do like some of his other writings that deal with his evolution away from the old right-wing and the Birch Society.

Thanks, John, for the up and up on this slippery gadfly. I'm not really interested in where NorCal'71 is coming from. I usually just put his type on my Ignore list to cut down on the clutter. He's a quitter. He's forced to turn and run and call me names over his shoulder rather than stick around and try to keep defending his thoughtless positions and defend his great White Hope, Harold Covington.

Klassen didn't have "the whole ball of wax" as he claimed, but, you're right, he was the first man to formulate a militant religion for Whites. Arguably, Klassen deprogrammed more White activists away from the Jewish mind poison than anyone to date, even Pierce, perhaps, then gave them something with teeth. Many in the vanguard of the Nature-based WN movement today honor BK as the man who set them on the right course. Even Dr. Revilo Oliver credited Klassen for his conversion into an anti-Xian back in the 1970's. Pierce admired Klassen, as did many others, because he dealt on the plane of ideas seriously and sincerely, and was fanatic in his focus. Whatever his shortcomings, Klassen was a true pioneer. He moved us away from the the stupid Xian patriot position that's grouinded in lies and which the Jews would much prefer to see leading the White resistance to Jewish supremacy.

Fred Streed
March 30th, 2004, 12:57 AM
Maybe there was something behind that investigation of Gleeber for child molestation after all. I always thought it was just ZOG squeezing him a little to remind him not to get out of line.

It does not surprise me that a couple of degenerate lowlife creeps like the Glibe one and the Skipper would do something like this. Hell, why not exploit a couple of 11 year old girls? After all this is the same people who are practically pissing on Dr. Pierce's grave by raping the NA and even selling off the timber on the property. Dr. Pierce forbid the cutting of any timber on the property. It seems nothing is too petty for them to pass up stealing. They used false pretenses to steal a vacuum cleaner from a local couple after it was given to them by an ex staffer. Another ex staffer who lives close by had ordered some stuff from a mail order company and never received his order. Another staffer who just recently quit in disgust informed him that his order had been delivered to the NAHQ by mistake and been stolen by the fine folks there. Trivial shit, but it shows what lowlife scum Gleeb and Skippy are.

They should have a leadership conference coming up soon. Erich Gliebe and Shaun Walker will do their usual Jake and Elwood imitations and attempt to work their usual cons and scams on the membership and lie their sorry traitorous asses off about how everything is cool, things have never been better. Gliebe will do his usual whisper campaigns against "disloyal former staffers out to destroy the NA" He will have quite a few new names to add to his list this time around. Seems there has been a real epidemic of disloyalty over the last few months.

Antiochus Epiphanes
March 30th, 2004, 02:58 PM
You must have made a transpositional finger error when you wrote "suing people" above. Exploitation is the better word that I think you and I would agree on in this matter, AE. Working for low pay or as an unpaid volunteer goes with working for our people at this point so will always draw the charge against our leaders that we activists are being "used" by them. Using consenting adults and using children are different matters altogether. There was a reason Dr. Pierce made 18 the minimum age for membership and participation in the Alliance: it's a hard line adult organization and he didn't want to even give the appearance that NA exploits children. Though RESISTANCE magazine is geared for White youth in their late teens and twenties, pre-pubescent girls posd as L&L are on this last cover is not appropriate. But then I've always thought that much about RESISTANCE magazine is inappropriate for White teens. Gaede's girls are cute and talented and she lives through them vicariously as most stage mothers do. A responsible Alliance Chairman would recognize the pitfalls of allowing the organization to be used by a pushy stage mother to advance her personal goals.

Right. I meant USING people. LOL. Very LOL.

Thank you White Will for expanding on this thought.

Neptune_Towers
March 30th, 2004, 06:58 PM
When I look at that pic, it looks innocent to me. JC Penney catalogs show more "child pornography" than that cover of Resistance does for crying out loud! How about the diaper commercials that show topless infants?

Is this thread a troll fest or are there really that many idiots here?

White Will
March 30th, 2004, 08:56 PM
No, we have not met. However, you are easily researched online & among friends.

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I've already seen your research of me and of Ben Klassen. It sux! Your friends are certainly not my friends.
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I first became familiar with your art due to the link on Chittum's now-defunct Civil War Two site. You and I may vehemently disagree on racial politics, but I will give credit where credit is due, and you are a good artist. Who knows, I may have already commissioned you for a piece. :)

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I think not. You can't afford a piece of my work.

Originally Posted by White Will:
You have me pegged as a loose cannon agitator. I'm certainly an agitator. I guess that since I'm unaffiliated with any organizations now I'll be labeled [a "loose cannon"] by my detractors, real and anonymous, like you. I like to think I just keep folks honest. You can't see that, but that's OK, nobody can see you, either, Mr. Norcalnative1971.
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Norcalnative1971 replied:
It's just plain stupid to operate in any way other than anonymously in a public forum. You're already well-known, so it's reasonable you continue to operate without anonymity. For us who have not become "known" to the Enemy, it's tactically stupid to give them our "name, rank, and serial number." We're not POWs.

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What a copout! Do you seriously believe your true identity cannot be traced through your internet postings? If you do, you are the stupid one. And what's even more stupid is for you to believe that you can effectively attack someone like me ANONYMOUSLY, someone who is open and accessible and using my real name for nearly 2 decades. What self-respecting White racist with a functioning brain between his ears, one who's been around for more than a couple of months, is going to listen to a scaredy-cat cyber warrior that lurks in the shadows like you, especially after you've already demonstrated some of your "easy research" on the internet of who Klassen is, repeating the well-documented lies of the well-documented paranoid schizophrenic fiction writer, defendant Harold Covington? You've already earned an "F" for your research capabilities. You're fired!

LindaLou
March 31st, 2004, 12:51 AM
SHEWOLFOFTHENA is none other than April Gaede. She is prob posing as Norcal also..........

Jack Napier
March 31st, 2004, 02:42 AM
SHEWOLFOFTHENA is none other than April Gaede. She is prob posing as Norcal also..........



Umm.... thanks for the scoop :rolleyes: . I think most people here already know that Shewolf is April. Its not like she makes it a secret. As to her also being Norcal.. I doubt it.

Antiochus Epiphanes
March 31st, 2004, 10:48 AM
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What a copout!....... You've already earned an "F" for your research capabilities. You're fired!

Will, can you do that little thing with your hand like the Donald? I want to know if forum readers have taken as much schadenfreude as I have in watching Trump fire those saucy business tramps on his show.

Oops, digression.

April
March 31st, 2004, 01:44 PM
Originally Posted by Aryan88
SHEWOLFOFTHENA is none other than April Gaede. She is prob posing as Norcal also..........


DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I only post as SheWolf on Resistance AND Stormfront ,Detective Aryan88!


This is really too funny............

Antiochus Epiphanes
March 31st, 2004, 02:18 PM
Originally Posted by Aryan88
SHEWOLFOFTHENA is none other than April Gaede. She is prob posing as Norcal also..........


DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I only post as SheWolf on Resistance AND Stormfront ,Detective Aryan88!


This is really too funny............

So this is Mrs Gaede? Welcome. Your girls are very charming. I havent heard them play but I wish them the best. How do you feel about the criticisms you have read herein? Were you comfortable with the cover shot for Resistance Mag? Or might have you prefered one of the more conventional photos such as were displayed in the interview? Your comments would be appreciated.

Jeff The Pollock
March 31st, 2004, 07:17 PM
April Gaede and her 2 daughters deserve nothing but praise. The perverts and assholes that attack and criticize her and her 2 multi-talented young daughters. Should be dismissed and ignored, because honestly who Really values the opinions and comments of perverted mal-adjusted so-called White Nationalists? There are alot of really blatantly fucked-up individuals contained within this thread. And they ain't April. :D

heaven above
March 31st, 2004, 08:36 PM
That's what I like, good and balanced, objective posts :D

Robert W. Hoffman
March 31st, 2004, 08:41 PM
Somebody wanna put this thread out of its misery?

diabloblanco92
March 31st, 2004, 10:28 PM
April Gaede and her 2 daughters deserve nothing but praise. The perverts and assholes that attack and criticize her and her 2 multi-talented young daughters. Should be dismissed and ignored, because honestly who Really values the opinions and comments of perverted mal-adjusted so-called White Nationalists? There are alot of really blatantly fucked-up individuals contained within this thread. And they ain't April. :D


Amen, Brother, Amen!

diablo

diabloblanco92
March 31st, 2004, 10:34 PM
Just going slightly off topic here. But I see the name Harold Covington mentioned in connection with this story, and it worries me. I really don't want to even think about that fat Jewish pervert, gloating at the pictures of those two little girls. He is a reptile, and I wouldnt put anything past him. I just hope his brother Forrest catches him up one day. I believe he is hiding in Seattle somewhere, and I know his personal email address is nwnet@earthlink.net . Of course he has many others, but they are his alter ego's.

I know about this shit eating fag, because my mailbox is full of his spam every day. He is posting the same filth over and again. Me, Martin Lindstedt, Tami Meineck, diablo, and James Lee Choron are his chosen targets. He hasn't showed his face in decades, I wonder why?

Sid.

Hell Sid, I had hoped the old merde muncher had kicked the bucket. But I guess not.I just kicekd him off PALO, where he had been posing as Martin, posting a bunch of filth to make Martin look like a perv.

diablo

diabloblanco92
April 1st, 2004, 12:39 AM
He is still at it unfortunately. He is saying that you are Kevin Alfred Strom, whoever that is. You can read all the shit he, his two buddies, and all their psudonyms post at his "truthcom" group. But don't post there, he alters the messages before he aproves them. Here is one of the posts I mention.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/truthcom/message/2518


Sid

That is so funny! Well he kind of tripped himself up there.I never said I was IN NYC proper, but NEAR NYC, though I did grow up in Brooklyn itself. But right now I am actually located in a small city in NJ(its turned into a fucking shithole in the last 10 years, the Italian, Irish and White Hispanics having been largely replaced by Mud Hispanics and disgusting Hatians, creatures lower than garden slugs, so Im outta there ASAP, but thats another story) right across from Staten Island, which is a boro of NYC proper. But my IP is based in NJ, therefore not NY.
Another thing, why does Harry name his group after Communist Nigger Nelson Mandelas "Truth Comission"?

diablo

rockcat
April 1st, 2004, 08:56 AM
Hi Guys and Girls

I sense alot of anger and bad vibes coming out of this post, lets just take deep breaths and think nice thoughts.
Agghhhhhhh thats better isnt it?
It looks like were never going to get anywhere with all the in fighting does it now ,i mean pissed of Joe Public comes here to see what were about , sees us ripping the fuck out of each other , sez bollocks to all this and goes back to his sixpack.
I thought things in the U.K were bad enough but you guys are the tops.

Anyway getting back to the Resistance cover.
Ive seen the girls and their mother on British T.V and thought the girls were sweet innocent and charming and though theres been a number of bad things said about their mother on these posts i can only say she came other as a loving caring mother.That was my impression though and i could be wrong.
In my opinion the Resistance cover is a bad mistake.
Not that i think its pornographic as such but its not far of it, i personally would not let my daughter wear a skirt like that.
But even ignoring the mini skirts , i dont like the stern look on the girls faces ,it makes them look to old and world weary.
Now for all those people who say "oh it takes a pervert to see the harm in a picture like that" I say bollocks thats like the Queers saying we hate them because were all latent queers and in the closet arse bandits, both arguements are bollocks pure and simple and disagreeing with something does not mean your in favour of it,because in that case were a bunch of latent nigger lovers then.

Two charming girls with smiles on their faces gives us a far more favourable image to the general public.
As one poster said trying to make two ten year olds look like skinhead girls isnt a good idea and makes us look like were the bad guys instead of the enemy.
Everything we do weve got to think does this cast us in a good light.

One last thing that sick scum, cant remember is name who calls himself a white nationalist and admitted to downloading kiddie porn should be banned from this site, have his name circulated through white power circles and given a good hiding or worse. The only thing is going by his picture he ll proberbly enjoy it.
A boot party for Mr Pervy

White Will
April 1st, 2004, 10:14 AM
...[W]hy does Harry [Harold Covington] name his group after Communist Nigger Nelson Mandelas "Truth Comission"?

For the same reason that he tried to sneak back into the "movement" via the 'Net in 1996 as "Winston Smith" with his fraudulent "NSWPP." He thinks that sort of stuff is clever, with Big Brother loving the character Winston Smith so much in Orwell's _1984_. He has had literally dozens of other such clever pseudonyms and alternate personalities over the past 30 years; he even uses the names of real people to post under to keep every sucker he can draw in completely confused. This makes sense once you understand that the insufferable SOB was kicked out of the U.S.Army in 1972 after just a few weeks on a "Section 8," diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic. He has published his "movement criticism" under the byline "Luther Williams," a not-so-clever alias derived from the name William Luther Pierce, in articles where he railed about what a traitor and fraud Dr. Pierce was.

He needs to be hunted down by one of those mythical "lone wolves" that are supposed to be keeping things in check in the WN scene while we "legals" yak things out aboveground -- right? -- and then he needs to be put out of his misery!!! Then his fat corpse hauled up and hung on a bridge like those fellows did to the American rent-a-soldiers in Fallujah yesterday. That will set the example for clever saboteurs who dare to fuck with our Holy Cause that no sane person will want to follow, even for big JOG bucks. That no "lone wolf" has ever seriously talked face-to-face to such a thoroughly documented fraud and agent of the enemy as Covington in language he can understand, simply exposes the lone wolf as non-existant and the so-called White resistance as ineffectual. He claims to be in Olympia, WA, but, who knows? He's been on the run and in hiding since I sued him in 1996. $100 to the person who pinpoints a confirmed spot where he lays his deluded head each night -- I have a judgment I'd like to execute, and there's the matter of some outstanding warrants. If someone else finds this Great White Leader's spider hole first, let me know.

April
April 1st, 2004, 11:32 AM
http://www.resistance.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1761&start=15

to read my response to questions about the cover.

I think the personal attacks about me in this thread are an embarassment to the WN community as a whole. It is pretty easy to attack a woman and call her names when she puts herself on the front lines and you are safe behind your fake name and a keyboard. It is easy for men to criticize my mothering abilites when they have no children of their own . But then that is what VNN is all about huh?

Dont worry,I will not stoop as low as you did and attack you in revenge, using any personal knowledge I have about you or your family members. I wont attack that way because you are still White men and members of our WN community and you are not my enemies.

There is nothing that you "warriors" can say or do that will lessen my devotion to our racial survival .

And they say women are gossips?

April Gaede aka SheWolf

LindaLou
April 1st, 2004, 11:51 AM
Originally Posted by Aryan88
SHEWOLFOFTHENA is none other than April Gaede. She is prob posing as Norcal also..........


DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I only post as SheWolf on Resistance AND Stormfront ,Detective Aryan88!


This is really too funny............




LOL The only thing FUNNY APRIL, is YOU.
I don't know who's worse YOU or HARDWICK.....

I would have thought that perhaps you could come up with better English other than "DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" I use to say that when I was High School.....
O and while your at it put some clothes on your girls and have them look like the "GIRLS" they are instead of like a 22 year old looking for a hot date!
Your a DISGRACE and so is your TASTE!

P.S.
I highly doubt the WN community gives a flying freak.
The only time you put yourself in the FRONT LINES is when you are attacking someone, or exsposing yourself and your girls.......

LindaLou
April 1st, 2004, 12:05 PM
Just tell me what about that picture is remotely sexual. Go ahead and answer so the world can see what a perverted loser you are. I think you better change your handle, seeing is how Aryan means "Noble".



Last I checked I didn't say anything about it being sexual.....
HOWEVER.......Mini skirts riding up your ASS is not appropriate dress for GIRLS that age! Unless of course you are one of those WEIRD men who sees nothing WRONG with it........ Then of course we'd have to QUESTION YOUR NOBILITY WOULDN'T WE..........

johnny yuma
April 1st, 2004, 12:08 PM
This guy is not only non-white, but appears to be a fucking pervert.








.......


On his profile it says he's 32 years old. Motherfucker is looking at pictures of 17 year old white girls.

LindaLou
April 1st, 2004, 12:13 PM
Yeah I thought what he said was strange and perverted........

LindaLou
April 1st, 2004, 11:10 PM
Only on the VNN forum can you find people dumb enough to debate little girls' fashion. Sometimes I ask myself why I even go here, but their are so many stupid comments I cannot resist the urge to point out people's idiotic logical flaws.

Those mini-skirts are clearly not "riding up their asses" as you say. There simply is no sexual innuendo there. You are either a pervery yourself or, like most VNN idiots, a retard who is looking for any excuse to smut up anything remotely related to the NA.


Speaking of that, whatever happened to that delightful fellow, NA SUDZ?


LOL

Why is your reputation so black?
Is it as black as you and perverted as you?

ANY man in his right man that THINKS there is nothing wrong with that picture CLEARLY has a "problem".

ALL of your "Eloquent" speech isn't going to cover that one up!

O and by the way.........YES THE SKIRT IS RIDING UP THE ASS.......LIKE IT OR NOT ASSHOLE.......
I'M A GROWN WOMAN......AND WHEN GRILS THAT AGE ARE WEARING A MINI SKIRT AS SHORT AS MY DAISY DUKES.......THEN THERE IS A PROBLEM!!! THE PROBLEM OBVIOUSLY IS NOT WITH THE GIRLS, IT'S WITH THE ONE RAISING THEM YOU STUPID MORONIC IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!

White Flag
April 2nd, 2004, 03:34 PM
"YES THE SKIRT IS RIDING UP THE ASS"

It isn't riding up there ass you dumb cunt. Go clean some dishes and do some laundry.

rockcat
April 2nd, 2004, 04:47 PM
Sorry
but been to busy with work etc to keep up with the latest postings.

Yeah Sid The geezer who admitted to downloading porn including sick kiddie stuff and bestility was on either page 2 or 3 .
As you say nonces and nationalism do not go hand in hand and thats putting it mildly and lets just hope the creep as found a stone to crawl under and it better be a f--king large one.

Though i support all white power groups in the U.K and i wish you well im already a member of the I.T.P i personally dont think voting does the white man any favours, just look at the N.F vote in Scotland yesteday, nine votes
Still thats neither here nor there we both know whats right and wrong and nonces are due one thing in life and one thing only and thats the fucking rope ,amen to that.

As i said though being a father i would not have chosen that cover, maybe that makes me a prude but so be it.

Robert W. Hoffman
April 2nd, 2004, 09:34 PM
Only on the VNN forum can you find people dumb enough to debate little girls' fashion. Sometimes I ask myself why I even go here, but their are so many stupid comments I cannot resist the urge to point out people's idiotic logical flaws.

Those mini-skirts are clearly not "riding up their asses" as you say. There simply is no sexual innuendo there. You are either a pervery yourself or, like most VNN idiots, a retard who is looking for any excuse to smut up anything remotely related to the NA.


Speaking of that, whatever happened to that delightful fellow, NA SUDZ?Look, troll - Just how much further up those prepubescent girl's legs do those skirts have to go before you just might say "sexual innuendo" is apparent? Do you see either of those two girls smiling? No? Cross your mind to wonder why? Notice anything maybe even just a little "un-girlish" in their poses? You could post that pic on damn near any board on the net (other than the God-only-knows-what type of perverted sites you visit) and there would be quite a controversy stirred-up, would'nt there? Now, you gonna tell me that the person/s responsible for giving the "okie-dokie" for the use of that pic did'nt see that in advance? If so, you're a fuckin' liar.

BTW - You find the members here "idiots', do ya? Why don't you come on over to Opposition, where you obviously belong, and we'll show you just how idiotic we really are? Okay? Open invite, anytime.

LindaLou
April 3rd, 2004, 03:07 AM
"YES THE SKIRT IS RIDING UP THE ASS"

It isn't riding up there ass you dumb cunt. Go clean some dishes and do some laundry.


LOL
What's it riding up then? You tell me........
Why don't you be my nigger and come and do my laundry for me...LOL I'll even pay you.....

The mother is nothing more than a "Stage mom" who lives her life through her children for her own self glorification.
The reason it is wrong is because of all the nuts and weirdos out there.
It has nothing to do with anything else but that.......and it doesn't take ROCKET SCIENCE to figure it out!

I quess you need someone in your life to defend though.......that, I'll let you have.......LOL

White Flag
April 5th, 2004, 07:18 PM
"I quess you need someone in your life to defend though.......that, I'll let you have.......LOL"

Yes I have my own family to raise and defend thank you, I could careless about your input.

Jenab
May 13th, 2004, 01:23 PM
I don't see anything wrong with the RESISTANCE cover with Lynx and Lamb wearing short skirts. April probably had them put on those outfits to pose for a publicity photo, not to run around and play in. There's plenty wrong with the NA, but this picture isn't part of it. We don't need to be looking for molehills to make mountains from.

Jerry Abbott

Nigger_Boy
May 14th, 2004, 01:48 PM
I think the photo really just demonstrates the subliminal power of pussy, no matter how young. In ancient times men took brides right on the cusp of puberty, as these lasses are. The virgin innocence yet sexual potential screamed out to something primeval in the male. And lives were much shorter and broods much larger to compensate for child deaths.

However, what was once natural has now been twisted and distorted by pervasive jewish influences that always pander to baser desires and darker sides in humanity. The photo would have been more tasteful and less sexual if they'd made the the girls' skirts a bit longer. Also, have the girls expressions more happy and innocent. Kids nowadays lose their "innocence" so early because the jew media constantly assails them with images of violence, depravity, sex, and filth. So what you get is two girls in very short skirts and sexy poses who already look jaded by life. No doubt their mom has warned them plenty about boys and what they really want. Jews turn white women into whores through the various media. To my mind, the photo reflects that distortion even in pro-white media, though possibly unwittingly.

Instead they accidentally (or not) went for the look of two soon to be very attractive and developed girls who seem dimly aware already of the power they'll soon be wielding over the males in their lives. And that power is the power of pussy and the ability to provide sex and all it's benefits to the male.

Jeff The Pollock
May 14th, 2004, 03:00 PM
It's a good thing I came back on this lame board. Like a car wreck I can only not look for so long. Maybe I'm alone on this but I didn't spend any time determining a scale measurement to ascertain the exact length of those skirts. That's because the length of their skirts, in fact, their very image does not really attract my attention that much. See, a NORMAL person sees that and says: Hmm, there are two girls dressed as byrds(now THAT is the real problem). They are standing their holding their instruments. They are probably not smiliing so as to convey an air of sincerity. I rarely see band pictures like that where the bands are smiliing. Normal people don't look at that and try to find something sexual in it.

Personally I think you should be in the opposition forum, because your blatant stupidity and veiled perversion are a liability to the salvation of Aryan culture. So you are technically worse than someone who is oppossed.

PS. To those who think I am some sort of NA defender; I cannot even say for sure if I am still an NA member. Personally I don't care. I have been very patient with "the movement" for a long time, and now(thanks partially to boards like this) I am convinced that America is doomed. We lost that one thing that could have saved us, and now our only hope is Europe. If people make illogical or otherwise stupid attacks against NA, then I will refute them to the best of my ability on principle. If the attacks are legitimate or outside of my knowledge then I really don't care. I am just sick of seeing people treat this situation like a game. I was angry enough when some fucktard started making up rather lengthy fantasies about me based solely on Stormfront posts simply because I was NA. I joined the NA when Pierce was still alive, I stuck with the unit and assisted in the overthrow of a UC which was dragging the NA name through the mud with his AFSA organization(this could not have been done without the help of Walker and Gliebe). I put out thousands of flyers, 1300 on one particular night. I was at two protests, both times surrounded by Commies and/or pro-war protesters(the latter were later joined by an armed group of HA).

What is my point? If you have a problem with NA leadership, then you keep it between you and them. But there is not a single one on this board who is going to decry my education in National Socialism or Aryan history, which is constantly ongoing and evolving. To hell with the NA and your "movement".


How can you not know if you are still an NA member or not?

2TonicNight
May 14th, 2004, 03:17 PM
Yes I agree Niger Boy. (Are you really from Niger? Har har) :D

The photo is in very poor taste, I hope the girls only look jaded.

How old are they anyway?

Europeans generally have a healthy, the operative word here, appreciation of young women's blossoming womanhood. Unfortunately it has been taken too far and today borders on pornography in too many instances.

As for women telling their daughters about boys, here's what I say:

most of it is in the mothers' own heads, and they're doing their daughters a disservice. It has two effects on a young girl, either she distrusts boys or turns into a materialist slut, figuring " well that's really all they want, might as well cash in on it."

I think healthy relations between the sexes are made by stable and reasonable courting rituals, early monogamous pairing, and minimal shrewery on the part of cynical sexually frustrated middle aged women, who are often just jelaous of their daughters. :mad:

Put those two girls in longer skirts, button their top buttons and have them give a bright eyed smile. That should be on the magazine cover.

bigmuff
May 14th, 2004, 07:09 PM
They look "okay" providing the skirts are closer to the knees. Those skirts are hiked way too high. What sort of effect is the mom trying to go for here?? No values once again from the skinhead and dipshit country plebeians.

lynx and lamb? These aren't their birth names are they? That would be quite pathetic.

bluedog39
May 14th, 2004, 07:21 PM
It's a good thing I came back on this lame board. Like a car wreck I can only not look for so long. Maybe I'm alone on this but I didn't spend any time determining a scale measurement to ascertain the exact length of those skirts. That's because the length of their skirts, in fact, their very image does not really attract my attention that much. See, a NORMAL person sees that and says: Hmm, there are two girls dressed as byrds(now THAT is the real problem). They are standing their holding their instruments. They are probably not smiliing so as to convey an air of sincerity. I rarely see band pictures like that where the bands are smiliing. Normal people don't look at that and try to find something sexual in it.

Personally I think you should be in the opposition forum, because your blatant stupidity and veiled perversion are a liability to the salvation of Aryan culture. So you are technically worse than someone who is oppossed.

PS. To those who think I am some sort of NA defender; I cannot even say for sure if I am still an NA member. Personally I don't care. I have been very patient with "the movement" for a long time, and now(thanks partially to boards like this) I am convinced that America is doomed. We lost that one thing that could have saved us, and now our only hope is Europe. If people make illogical or otherwise stupid attacks against NA, then I will refute them to the best of my ability on principle. If the attacks are legitimate or outside of my knowledge then I really don't care. I am just sick of seeing people treat this situation like a game. I was angry enough when some fucktard started making up rather lengthy fantasies about me based solely on Stormfront posts simply because I was NA. I joined the NA when Pierce was still alive, I stuck with the unit and assisted in the overthrow of a UC which was dragging the NA name through the mud with his AFSA organization(this could not have been done without the help of Walker and Gliebe). I put out thousands of flyers, 1300 on one particular night. I was at two protests, both times surrounded by Commies and/or pro-war protesters(the latter were later joined by an armed group of HA).

What is my point? If you have a problem with NA leadership, then you keep it between you and them. But there is not a single one on this board who is going to decry my education in National Socialism or Aryan history, which is constantly ongoing and evolving. To hell with the NA and your "movement".
I think you are almost certainly right; the US is demographically lost to the mestizos. For the few who are unaware, they are expanding rapidly throughout the country, not just CA and the SW. The vast majority of whites are too culturally degraded (i.e. Judaized and niggerized) to react. The best option is support for viable movements in Europe,where whites are indigeneous and there is still some residue of volkish sentiment. Since we still have freedom of speech and they don't we have the ability to provide some useful aid. I doubt if enough money could be raised in the western hemisphere to do much good, but I would be willing to contibute. If there are some grounds for optimism in the USA I would like to know what they are.

MOMUS
May 14th, 2004, 07:33 PM
Yes, thank goodness there is a paragon of virtue such as yourself, BIGMUFF to set a proper standard. Certainly no plebeian yourself, your job is to look down your snout at all others and pass judgement. That is what you do. It would be base indeed for any acerebral simian plebeian to express vitriol for an uber type of original thinker such as yourself. Everybody loves your insightful observations.

Yer a regular lil girl genius, Bigmuff.
Now, go douche.
+

They look "okay" providing the skirts are closer to the knees. Those skirts are hiked way too high. What sort of effect is the mom trying to go for here?? No values once again from the skinhead plebeians

JohnAFlynn
May 15th, 2004, 11:35 AM
Most of you guys on this forum are shit, plain and simple. Anyone who would not call the Olsons fully white deserves to rot in hell. You people raise your right hand to Hitler, who is far less Aryan then these two beauties. You all can rot for all I care. Hail victory!


You're insane if you think the Olsen twins are "fully white." They are clearly Jews or fractional Jews, just look at their hooknoses for gods' sake! Besides, leave it to a couple of Jewesses to become billionaires by the time they're 18. That's one more piece of evidence as the Jewsmedia would almost certainly not permit white people to have such unprecedented success in such a short time in their own Jew industry.

JohnAFlynn
May 15th, 2004, 12:03 PM
2) They played a Jewish daughter ("Michelle Tanner") in Full House. Since when do goyim play Jews?

What do you mean? It's the oldest trick in the Jewsmedia book. Have Jews play goyim and goys play Jews, to blur the racial realities for the goy suckerz watching. They know their precious little kikelets won't fall for it because of their hate-schooling, aka "Hebrew School," which is mandatory for Jewish kids to attend if they don't attend a regular "Yeshiva." (I grew up in Clayton, MO where the public school I attended was about 1/2 Jew, and us white "Christians" were second class citizens.)

Example:

On Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Jewess Sarah Michelle Gellar plays Aryan heroine Buffy Summers, while actual Aryan Alyson Hannigan plays Jewess Willow Rosenberg. go to Jewhoo.com and type in Gellar. Sarah Michelle Gellar will be the second entry after Selma Blair. It indicates that she's not even a fractional Jew, but a full-on 100% Jew. Amazingly enough though, it indicates she is "the most closeted Jewish actress ever" or some such thing.

Another example: In the recent movie Shattered Glass (2003), Aryan Hayden Christiansen plays lying, conniving, bullshit artist Jew writer for the New Republic Stephen Glass, a Jew-Jayson-Blair who got less coverage than the infamous negro JewYorkTimes fiction writer.

2TonicNight
May 15th, 2004, 01:22 PM
While these girls are obviously too young for the issue, I think a discussion of the young-marriage concept must take place on a larger scale in the near future. We simply do not need the majority or even a sizable amount of our daughters going to college or making careers. This current institution has given women sexual freedom, and when you add alcohol look what happens(ever see one of those adds for Girls Gone Wild on cable). The majority of young women must be married to older men of upstanding character who will take on the role of a father figure- a leader and head of the household.

Yes I agree JP, that is a hard truth that many proud whites still haven't gotten around to realizing. When I was still at ShrewFront we had a thread precisely about this and most of the people agreed with this view, but the Mod there JJT was siding with the Feminists and said "My three daughters will be Astronauts by Wotan". I felt sorry for his three daughters.

People need to get back to what works. Most importantly white men need to rise to the occasion. Women won't lead on this men are supposed to.

The young white men need to guide themselves forward in their lives with precisely this goal. White parents must raise their sons and daughters to be men and women, not corporate cogs for ZOG. We need a self reinforcing community, one where we can find/provide support and guidance.

Let's move in that direction.